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Season Seven: The Coldest
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In this episode, we talk about cold cases wrapping up.
https://www.kold.com/2026/05/28/pima-county-detectives-make-arrest-50-year-old-cold-case/
https://www.bostonmagazine.com/news/2026/05/05/natalie-scheublin-murder-prosecuted/
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Introduction and Content Warning
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The content you're about to hear may be graphic in nature. Listener discretion is advised.
Public Fascination with True Crime
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This is True Crime
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It's been a really long time since I have seen so many people. And I know we had like Gabby Petito, and I know we had these flashes of true crime stuff in the news, like Luigi Mangione and things like that.
00:01:15
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I don't think I've ever seen as many people obsessed with something as Nancy Guthrie's disappearance online and i kind of have feelings about that you and like you swung back around this week and you're like hey this person wrote an article about them and they look like this and this would solve that question you and I had and we like didn't even come back around to doing anything about that because It's one of those cases. it was so ridiculous.
00:01:45
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Yeah. Where everything feels absurd. Like everything we do about it feels absurd.
The Nancy Guthrie Disappearance
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and And it's gone on to the point of like, it's going to achieve the notoriety even though it's not right this second, of like Lacey Peterson, JonBenet Ramsey, the Lindbergh baby. It is going to be a thing that has docuseries about it and podcasts with the family about it and movies. um It's going to be one of those
00:02:15
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type situations I think the most recent thing we have that is going to be similar to would be the case of Suzanne Morphew, except that's more domestic violence or thought to be domestic violence.
00:02:29
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um Even if you're... You and I have some issues with the DNA in that case, but for the most part, we never got the feeling that there was a completely unknown stranger situation. At least it might be someone who had serviced the vehicle or done something for the family, but it might be someone known to the family. We don't know enough about the Nancy Guthrie situation to decide if that's the case, but my gut says it's kind of a like stranger predator situation that went wrong, and that's how we end up with her being taken.
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um Well, I mean, i guess with that case, I... It's so bizarre, right?
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it is. And then i was like, okay, it's so bizarre, I can't even, like, because, I mean, I could speculate about it. um Obviously, there's things you can eliminate.
00:03:26
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But it was almost like, well, I'm just going to wait because certainly, you know. Yeah. This will wrap itself up. Exactly. And the anticipation for me was sort of like before Brian Koberger was arrested. Right. Like I had this like pit in my stomach, like, oh, these kids got killed. They're never going to you know solve it. and But then, you know.
00:03:51
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One day they just did, Right. right And so I was like, okay. And so i didn't, I was just like, okay, now I'm going to wait for them to solve this. And then I realized, like, I'm not sure that's going to happen again. Right.
00:04:06
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It's a bit of roller coaster, but I literally... will be randomly doing whatever i do on any given day, and I will have an intrusive thought of like...
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where is Nancy Guthrie? Yeah. Yeah. and And I try not to obsess about it because I'm like, well, you know, there's not a whole lot of information out there. Most of the stuff that is being said for the most part is speculation. Yeah. And so, you know, it was fine, but we've learned, you know, we're in season seven now, I think. Right. Yeah. Yeah.
00:04:48
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And we've learned there's no point in and writing a fiction story at the beginning of a case, right? Correct. To talk about elements of it and different things, but like there's really no point. But this is bringing up other things like I was you know the pit of my stomach and then Brian Kober was arrested. And then this case, I was like, well, they're going to figure it out. And you know I don't know exactly how long it's been, but it's been like well over 100 days. yeah Yeah, it has been. and so This isn't about Nancy Guthrie today. We're actually talking about something completely different from the main case. but there was a
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i had a news item I wanted to bring up at the beginning because i think... I understand what the sheriff's doing, but I also was like, this is completely absurd.
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i got one of those like press releases, like come see our you know press conference kind of thing. And i looked at it and it was from Pima County Sheriff's Department.
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And I was just like, this is very strange. Because at first I was like, is that where Nancy Guthrie is? And then I was like, I'm pretty sure it is. is it going to be about something related to
Confusion Over Press Release
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that? and then I finally clicked into it and saw the headline or the headline on it. And I was like, this is absurd.
00:06:13
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Just like the rest of this. um like just Not like the content itself. It's just like how they were presenting it. Like it was this great achievement, which I don't always understand the padding on the back kind of thing. And in this case, i was like, don't you guys have like a really major high profile case right now that maybe...
00:06:34
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Like, is this a distraction or like, what are you doing? I went to KOLD.com for a reason. So that's News 13 out of Tucson, Arizona. Well, it's out of Arizona, but this is the ah the Tucson area for this case.
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News 13 staff, which I think they go by 13 News if you hear the television jingle. Sean Mahoney and Michael Cooper, they were all working on this.
1975 Cold Case Arrest
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It was just, it's it's so ridiculous, but it is interesting. It's a cold case arrest for murder of a woman, which is unusual,
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But also, it's of a 79-year-old woman, and the case is so old. The headline says, Pima County woman accused of killing stepfather in 1975. It says, thanks to forensic genealogy and DNA testing, a 79-year-old Pima County woman has been accused of killing her stepfather more than five decades ago.
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The Pima County Sheriff's Department announced Carol Ann Beal was arrested in the 7800 block of North Stargrass Drive on Thursday, May 28th. So, just happened. Beal is facing a first-degree murder charge and being held on a $500,000 bond for the death of William Reginald Siftley.
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If she bonds out, she cannot leave the state, have any weapons, or contact the victim's family in any way. i don't know why they put that in there. I know they throw that on everything thing to... fill space or whatever those are standard release order ah directions Like, there literally defaults. Don't leave the area. You can't have any weapons. Don't contact the victim's son. According to a records check, Carol Beale's home is located in the 7400 block of North Lake Canada Drive, which is near Ina Road.
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They are pointing out throughout this a lot of directions. Like, they want people to go out here and look at it, which is what happened in the Nancy Guthrie case. I think that's a terrible idea. But then it says 13 news went to the home Thursday afternoon. They saw several detectives and sheriff's department vehicles in the area.
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The Pima County Sheriff's Department said human remains were found at a landfill on South Continental Road near Ryan Airfield in October of 1975. Authorities could not identify the remains and the case went cold for decades.
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According to Pima County Sheriff Chris Nanos, you had no idea what you had in front of you because you don't know how or who this is. There's no fingerprints to be had In 2025, the Sheriff's Department partnered with a company specializing in forensic genealogy.
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DNA testing led investigators to Sifley's granddaughter, which led authorities back to Beal. Nanos said he hopes genealogy data will... lead, will help lead to more answers for other families. We're smart enough to know that we're not going to have all the answers, but they're out there and a lab like this did a great job helping us find out exactly not only who Mr. Sifley was, but also maybe how this event occurred.
00:09:38
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So Sifley's granddaughter said that he went missing in 1975 and that he was years old. so For some reason, she points out that she doesn't think he was ever reported missing, but she doesn't know for sure. And the sheriff said they never made a police report. They never made a missing person report.
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But they did know that he had up disappeared. So, Carol Beal made her first court appearance late Thursday night and was in a wheelchair. The judge has appointed the public defender to represent her.
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The defense asked the judge to release her to pretrial services or set a low bond, and they said that Beal has lived in Tucson for more than 50 years and is retired from the U.S. Postal Service. The state claimed the primary source of Beal's wealth came from simply death.
00:10:30
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They said that she's gotten up to $600,000 from his pension. ah The Sipley family, for their part, they released a statement which basically said, that the family is relieved to closure regarding the whereabouts of our grandfather, William Reginald Sipley, with a positive identification of remains.
00:10:47
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With this new information about our grandfather, we are processing the circumstances around his death and reliving painful memories of his disappearance and of our father's efforts to locate his father.
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The Sifley family would also like to express our appreciation to the Pima County Sheriff's Department cold case unit, the donated work completed by Resolve Forensics and Intermountain Forensics that made an investigative gene genetic genealogy and identification possible, and to the other agencies that participated in his identification.
00:11:18
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Please respect our privacy during this challenging time. Inquiries about our grandfather's case shall be directed to the Pima County Sheriff's Department. The reason I used to be a KOLD about this case was, one, they kind of put everything together succinctly, and it could be a nice news article for us to throw up at the beginning of an episode.
00:11:36
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But they also keep a violent crimes map in Tucson at the bottom of the page. Right. Did you see this? Yeah. It is fascinating to me how many people die in Tucson.
00:11:49
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A lot. It is a lot of murders, a lot of strangulations, a lot of unknown deaths, a lot of shootings. And then, like, it is very frequent to be in, like, this is terrible, but in Tucson, to not know why somebody died, how somebody died, just know that there's a death investigation going on. 13 News stays on top of this stuff, but looking at the map, it's kind of scary, like, how many shootings and crimes violent crimes there are.
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Well, I was going to say, mo a lot of the the deaths are shootings. Yeah. Shootings point, well, at least for me, they point to certain things, certain elements that would probably, the different events would have in common, right? Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And so I have heard, don't know why, guess because it's been in the news recently, but I've heard that it's, you know, Wild West again out there that, you know, there is a lot crime. It's not the Tucson it used to be or whatever. I've never been to anywhere in Arizona, I don't think. So I don't know really anything about it except just what I've learned through watching little bit of coverage at the beginning of Nancy Guthrie's case, right? Yeah. It's a pretty... It's a very stark map. Yeah, and it is alarming. I feel like the rates are probably higher than anything. Not that I've looked at maps like this for everywhere, but it's kind of shocking. Yeah, it was shocking for me. number of burglaries and domestic violence incidents, which I know that happens everywhere. I just, I've been a little surprised at how, since they stopped reporting juvenile statistics and some of the major statistics that we have, that used to be like everybody 15 and older was just kind of lumped
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But they they, in the last few years, blocked out 15 to 18. And they'll say, no, we we didn't do that. But they don't report to them because they don't make them public. So they don't go into the tubs of information that the Department of Justice has access to and that the different watchdogs have access to.
00:13:58
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So a lot of violent crimes look like they've just like gone through the floor, like they're just way down and they're not happening anymore. And that's just that's not true. There are still missing persons. There are still unsolved murders.
00:14:11
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The unsolved murder rates around the country are still atrocious. I just thought seeing it like this, with and they you know they mark it out to just be violent crimes in Tucson for 2026.
00:14:23
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So we're not quite six months into 2026. We're five months in, basically.
Crime Rates and Maps in Tucson
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That's a lot of dead bodies represented with those little red circles. It really is a lot. I would say that a lot of those crimes are going to be, of course, I don't know anything about any of them except just the little bit of information that's right there. You know, a man was shot or whatever. A lot of them are going to be the classic motivations, right? Right. Yeah.
00:14:51
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And tell as old as time, like humans don't get along. Correct. A lot of times. And you've got to beef with somebody. That's the other thing. It's my understanding that in Arizona, and like everybody carries a gun. Oh, I think that, I mean, I think that's like an old West tale. I think that's a little bit of BS. I understand.
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I've heard similar things said before. by other people as well. i don't know how true that is. I'm just saying like the fact that all these people are getting shot. i mean, if people didn't carry guns, at least they wouldn't be getting shot. i do agree with that. I don't have any problem with people carrying guns. I'm just saying that perhaps that has something to do with it. Cause it's a lot. ah you You're correlating that to the amount shooting. Yeah. And I don't know for sure. I'm just saying, you know, obviously the more people you have carrying guns, it would make sense that more people are getting shot. Yeah. I thumbed through all of this. It doesn't look like you're going to have situations where there's tons of stranger murders happening, but they're like, there's clearly a pretty violent pattern going on. I just thought it was ironic that the Pima County Sheriff's office was like, here's this 50 year old, here's an arrest in a 50 year old cold case. And it's a woman.
00:16:05
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At a time when there are 130 140 days. and Whatever, you it's over 100 days. you know Probably the second most high-profile case in the country right now.
00:16:19
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What's the first one Luigi Manchino. Huh. Just from the perspective of news coverage, he's like he's front and center right now because there's a lot of motions going back and forth. and It's a more saturated area than Tucson. but this There's no like mystery to that.
00:16:37
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No, no, not even a little bit of a mystery. stuff This is definitely the number one mystery happening in the country. I would agree about Right. When cases are just sort of in trial mode, I mean, I'm interested. It's just I'm actually not really interested in that case that much. That had a whole weird vibe to me from the jump, and it was pretty clear cut in my opinion. Yeah. Yeah.
Intrigue in Unsolved Cases
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When a man had been killed and on the streets of New York City and the gunman was on the loose, that was intriguing to me. Yeah. Once they found him and, you know, kind of put two and two together, you kind of see at least what made sense in my mind happen yeah then i'm kind of like ah whatever i don't want to say that like it doesn't deserve i'm it's just not my kind of case missing people though i really like to have a good idea at least in my own mind of what's happening and i just i i can't get that in some cases and drives me a little bit crazy nancy cuthary definitely one of those cases for me too
00:17:48
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Well, right. And so I was wondering, like, is this calculated, the timing of this release? You know what I mean? Take the pressure off a little? Well, i mean, i don't think it's out of the realm of things to say to say that they need a win, right? it's Specifically, the sheriff needs a win.
00:18:08
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Yeah. I don't have a lot more on this right now. I was bringing up Nancy Guthrie. I was pointing out this sheriff needs a win situation, which I totally agree with. I think it's fascinating that it is a woman who's 79 years old being arrested for a 50-year-old murder. Well, you know, what's interesting to me is i'm not they don't really say anything about why she was arrested. No, we're not there yet. It just happened.
00:18:31
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You and I are recording this on a Saturday morning. It just happened. Well, I understand that, but my brain didn't make the leap as to why genetic genealogy identifying him as the found body immediately had her arrested, right? um I think she was living with him at the time. My goal was to get a little more on this, but I have not seen the information yet. I think we're a little ahead of what's going to happen in terms of like the current Carol Ann Beale news.
00:19:05
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I was just curious because it is a 79-year-old woman arrested for a 50-year-old murder, right?
Motives in Carol Ann Beal's Case
00:19:13
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Maybe she confessed. Yeah, it's possible. But my guess is they're saying in here that she was collecting the pension somehow.
00:19:21
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So my guess is that it's going to be one of those things where she's accused of for financial gain, and they've like it's more of a paper trail. They used the investigative genetic genealogy to identify the remains realize nobody had reported this guy missing, and the last person to see him alive had collected all the money out of his bank account.
00:19:41
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And that turns out to be her. That's my guess. Yeah, um maybe. and then I was confused because of the they were saying his family, and I guess it was his son. it did come up later in the Yeah, yeah. And that would have been, i guess, her stepbrother, half-mother brother.
00:20:02
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I don't know. Yeah, like guess it would be her stepbrother. So I don't know. youre right fifty is half brother i guess yeah i super I see what you did there. It's interesting. And I am interested to see what else happens.
00:20:16
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I wonder if it's me or if it's like the world, because to me, this is just kind of tone deaf. I know that, that I think I actually, um, when I sent it to you, I think i but extremely sarcastically and probably in bad taste hashtag the 2076.
00:20:37
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Meaning it would in 50 years we would know what happened to Nancy Guthrie. I was being tongue-in-cheek. This is a situation where the investigators make all the difference, right? Yeah.
00:20:51
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Yeah. Yeah, the the investigators make tons of difference in every case. And... What I found is typically with a cold case unit, you have some of the regular stock, meaning like if if if you were to like look at the institutional knowledge, if you have a cold case unit, a lot of times it's only one or two people.
00:21:13
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But in a place like Tucson, it's probably four people. Two of them were probably part-time and retired. But with cold case units, a lot of times you get people who weren't doing the typical BS in that particular department at the time it happened. So when they start looking through the paperwork on things of what paperwork is available, they have questions that relate more to their particular technique training and whatever institutional knowledge from somewhere else they bring with them.
00:21:41
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And those questions are like kind of kicking over rocks. Like, you know, sometimes under a rock, what you find is interesting. And I think when that may be the case here, maybe not.
00:21:54
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um But it does feel more like this is just a distraction from the fact that we have this high-profile case and all these eyes on us. And even when we brought in the FBI, we didn't get an answer in that.
00:22:06
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But look, we still solved this 50-year-old murder case that was actually unidentified human remains in the landfill. Wait, what? Okay. Okay, I'll look at that one And then so that's where I, you know, I looked at the press release. It didn't, it's not going to make a full episode.
00:22:23
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It's just making the news headline because I happened to have like another cold case I wanted to talk about. and I was like, oh, i can tie this to it. You know what i mean? Yeah, exactly. And the fact that like, I still want to know what's going on with Nancy Guthrie. Do you have anything else on Carol Ann Beale or Mr. Sipley's very old cold homicide?
00:22:42
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I don't. It's interesting. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see how it unfolds and if there's more to it. um So I was looking at, I have one of those aggregate news apps on my phone that sends you a bunch of headlines.
00:23:03
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And they sent a cold case
Cold Case Resolutions in Massachusetts
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update. And I noticed the title. By the way, this is from BostonMagazine.com. I think I already put it in the show notes for today for people to look at. I'll put a couple of links in there for people to check things out.
00:23:16
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It's a 1971 murder out of Bedford, Massachusetts. And... It basically says the oldest cold case murder ever solved in Massachusetts for the headline.
00:23:31
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This is about the 1971 murder of Natalie Shublin. Have you ever heard of her? Yeah, just what we've learned now. Well, it's so weird to me how they like wrote all this up.
00:23:47
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I was trying to figure out if I was... misunderstanding what they were saying with the headline. um i am going to talk a little bit about this story, but I have to say um to John Tucker, I must be misunderstanding something he's saying. Because he's saying that the oldest cold case homicide in Massachusetts is just solved, right? Right. Right.
00:24:16
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And he's saying that's the June 10th, 1971, homicidal family shoo-in, and it's solved by this district attorney leading a cold case unit in pretty much present day Except that's impossible. And we've covered other cases on here that prove that to be impossible. But DNA was used to identify the man responsible for Jane Britton's murder.
00:24:41
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And I think they're saying, i think what he meant to say was like someone was convicted if he had changed the words of the headline and talk about getting into semantics here.
00:24:52
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ah The oldest cold case murder ever solved in Massachusetts, if he had chances to say the oldest cold case conviction in Massachusetts, that would be more true. But the problem is, like, Jane Britton's murder is from 1969. January So almost so When was it solved? So in November 2018. So maybe he was talking about off the current list. Could be that too. But the bottom of the article, that was the thing that threw me off. And I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt um because it's ah it's a decent article. I've included a link to it that where people can watch look at it ad-free.
00:25:32
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um It says more than 300 murder cases in Middlesex County remain unsolved. There is no state tracking system for cold cases. Boston Magazine reached out to all 11 of Massachusetts DA offices to ask about the oldest case resulting in a conviction.
00:25:49
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So that's kind of where he's like leaning, I guess. Only the Hampton County office could cite a murder predating 1971, which pleaded down to a manslaughter conviction.
00:26:01
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So I understand what he's saying, but the Jane Britton murder, I felt like was pretty important and kind of feels left out there because it also happened in Middlesex County. And ah what what I'm pulling for to back this up is a um a another press release from a while ago. Did you have something to say there? Go ahead.
00:26:24
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i Now I'm really confused because you're right. i i didn't actually notice ah anything about that, but I wonder why...
00:26:38
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It's put that way. Well, that brings me to my question, which I'm going to read you this press release, and and then I'm going to get to my question, and then we're going to talk about the natal Natalie's case. Okay. So this press release is from November 2018. So it's predating our podcast by a year or so.
00:26:56
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i think it's come up in some other things we looked at. It says DNA used to identify man responsible for 1969 murder of Jane Britton.
00:27:07
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This is the press release from the Middlesex District Attorney's Office up in Massachusetts. It's in Woburn. It says Middlesex District Attorney Marion Ryan announced today that Michael Sumter, a career criminal with ties to Cambridge, has been identified as the person responsible for the 1969 murder Britton.
00:27:26
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ah jane britaint They talk about a little bit here. Michael Sumter is a really bad dude. He is a serial killer. He is a true serial killer, like ah ah like a lust, sexual, sadist murderer.
00:27:37
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Using DNA testing, investigators were able to initially exclude other potential persons of interest and affirmatively identify Sumter as the perpetrator of this crime.
00:27:48
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Sumter had been linked to two other homicides of women in the Boston area. The murder of Jane Britton has raised many questions and piqued the interest of members of the community over the past 50 years.
00:27:58
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This is according to District Attorney Marion Ryan. Multiple teams of investigators have been assigned to this case looking at tips from the public and ruling out multiple suspects as a direct result of their perseverance and utilization Of the latest advances in forensic technology available to the Massachusetts State Police Crime Lab today, I'm confident the mystery of who killed Jane Britton has finally been solved, and this case is officially closed.
00:28:25
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On January 7, 1969, at 12.40 p.m., the body of Jane Britton, 23 of Needham, a graduate student in anthropology at Harvard University, was found in her fourth-floor apartment,
00:28:37
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Located 6 University Road in Cambridge by her boyfriend who came to check on her after she had failed to appear to take an exam that morning. What kind of exam are you taking in January?
00:28:49
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Anyways, um she had been sexually assaulted and struck multiple times in the head. This case posed many challenges for investigators. Over the years, we followed up on many leads regarding individuals with suspected ties to Jane Britton. Additionally, in this case has had several red herrings, including the presence of red okra at the crime scene. Do you remember this now?
00:29:11
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Yeah. um which ultimately proved unrelated to the crime over time as people's memories fade and when this has died it became even more difficult to follow up on new investigatory leads we're grateful to the many members of members of the public who have expressed an interest in this case Today, we are able to provide closure to Jane's family, friends, and those who knew her. 2017, the Middlesex District Attorney's Office received several requests for the Jane Britton file to be released to the public. Although prosecutors continued to hold up hope there might be a DNA match to the partial profile taken from the scene that might identify the person who had killed Jane Britton, the case seemed to have hit a dead end.
00:29:50
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Lacking any new information, a team of experienced investigators begin a review of the file in order to potentially release some information. With fresh eyes on the file, investigators also sought to determine whether there were further investigative actions that could be taken, including consulting with the Massachusetts State Police Crime Lab about whether any new advances in forensic DNA technology might give assistance in yielding a more comprehensive evidence profile.
00:30:16
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That's so wild to me that everything I'm saying and about to say took place in 2018, which means it was eight years ago. so all it really does is make me feel old. The decision was ultimately made to perform additional DNA testing with the most up-to-date testing on the remaining evidence samples. For the first time, the Massachusetts State Police Crime Lab was able to obtain YSTR profile, so this is a male-specific profile, from the remaining DNA examples samples on file from the original swabs in October 2017.
00:30:49
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In July 2018, the Massachusetts State Police Crime Lab notified the investigators there was a match between the 2017 YSDR profile from the evidence sample and Michael Sumter's CODIS sample on file with the Massachusetts State Police Crime Lab.
00:31:07
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Although Sumter was already deceased, investigators were able to locate and obtain a DNA sample from Michael's biological brother who has the same male YSDR profile.
00:31:19
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Testing on the sample excluded 99.92% of the male population as a contributor of the DNA and confirmed Michael Sumter's profile matched the original soft tit and YSDR profile.
00:31:31
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Sumter's brother has been excluded as a possible contributor. On the day she died, Jane went to dinner with some of her classmates at Acropolis Restaurant in Cambridge, then stopped at home to change before going ice skating with her boyfriend on the Cambridge Common.
00:31:47
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They visited Charlie's above across from Jane's apartment before returning to Jane's apartment around 730. After her boyfriend left the apartment around 1130, Jane then went next door to her neighbor's apartment for a glass of sherry before returning home around 1230 The next morning, she was found dead in her bed.
00:32:07
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The medical examiner conducted an autopsy on Jane and was able to collect forensic evidence. He ruled she'd been struck by a blunt object multiple times resulting in fractures of her skull, contusions, and lacerations of the brain, which were ultimately her cause of death.
00:32:26
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A murder weapon was never positively identified. Subsequent toxicology testing revealed that her blood alcohol was negative, but her stomach alcohol was 0.08, suggesting that the alcohol she ingested did not have time to metabolize and make it to the bloodstream before death.
00:32:42
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And they're saying this indicated that Jean was killed shortly after returning to her apartment. On January 7th of 1969, a resident of Jane's apartment building reported hearing someone on the fire escape connected to Jane's apartment earlier on the evening of her murder. A second witness was able to detail that a man who appeared to be approximately six feet tall, around 170 pounds, was seen running in the street near jane's apartment at 1.30 a.m.
00:33:10
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At the time, Mr. Sumter would have been 5'11", weighing around 185 pounds. just They know this from a 1972 arrest. It's believed Sumter entered Jane's apartment through a window, assaulted her, and murdered her in her bed before fleeing.
00:33:26
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Sumter had ties to Cambridge, including having lived in Cambridge as a young child. He went to school at Cambridge Public Schools. He was involved with Cambridge police as a juvenile. and had a girlfriend who lived in Cambridge in the late 60s. In 1967, less than two years before Jane's murder, Sumter was working on Arrow Street in Cambridge about a mile from Jane's apartment.
00:33:48
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He was also arrested and convicted of a physical assault on a woman he had met at the Harvard Square MBTA station, which was just blocks away from Jane Britton's apartment. This was three years after her murder.
00:34:01
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This is the third homicide linked to Michael Sumter since the time of his death. In 2010, the Suffolk District Attorney's Office was informed that Mr. Sumter's DNA was a match to DNA taken from the 1972 rape murder of 23-year-old Ellen Rutchik in her Beacon Street apartment.
00:34:18
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And in 2012, a second CODIS hit matched Mr. Sumter to the evidence taken from the 1973 rape and murder 24-year-old Mary Lee McLean.
00:34:29
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in her Mount Vernon Street apartment. None of these victims are believed to have known or had any relationship with Mr. Sumter, which that they bring that up because that's an important fact. We have multiple stranger rape murderers.
00:34:43
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Michael Sumter had been convicted of committing the stranger rape of a woman in her Boston apartment in 1975. He had died of cancer at the age 54 in 2001, which is 13 months after he was paroled from his 15- to 20-year sentence for this 1975 Boston rape.
00:35:00
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In 2002, after his death, Sumter was identified by another CODIS head. in connection with a 1985 stranger rape of a woman in Boston, which committed was committed after Sumter had escaped from his work release program.
00:35:18
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Since his death, DNA testing on the CODIS database identified Michael Sumter in connection with five more sexual assaults, three of which involved the murder of the victim. That's a lot.
00:35:29
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There's a lot of connections. It really is. I think I think i figured out... The angle. what The angle is like he's dead. Right. He wasn't convicted of of Which brings me to the question. So this author considers that if they're dead, the case is never truly solved.
00:35:52
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um I guess. i I feel like. um Am I being too hard on him? Maybe a little bit. Well, you're not wrong, and there's really no point in, you know, ah the point is the cases are solved as opposed to which one was older, right? Right, right.
00:36:18
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And so, but it seems point, there had to be a reason why the title was worded the way it was, right? Right. There's no point in calling the not oldest case, the oldest case, but I do believe it's the, it's the conviction that was obtained.
00:36:39
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Um, I think that's the difference. That's what makes sense. Right. Right. I think that, Especially like i'm a multi-hit situation. Like there's no question this is his DNA that's matching these cases, right? Right. I just feel like, so I feel like the case of Michael Thumter is a serial killer case.
00:37:02
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And that makes him more interesting to me in terms of just what we're talking about in and like if you're putting a sensational headline on something. um But I'll say this, like I would not bring any of this up if I were truly giving this author lot of junk.
00:37:19
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His name is John Tucker. He writes for long form articles for Boston Magazine. There's a link in here where you can go read this and you should. Meg and I are not going to tackle his full article. We're going to talk about the press releases that are directly pulled from his article and we're going to talk about some of the photos of the stuff he included like His whole article, is what do you what do you think it is? Like a 30-minute read, maybe?
00:37:43
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Yeah, it's it's pretty long, but I felt like it was worth it. Yeah, it was a great read. Yeah. i And the funny thing is, I i absolutely...
00:37:54
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I didn't look, I didn't think anything about the title until you just said something. Well, what was crazy was the first time I saw the article, it showed up in the print edition and that's why I was looking for it. But in the print edition, it said, um, i'm unsolved. Yeah. Yeah. It said unsolved. And I was like, okay, well that's interesting. So I don't know. i don't know what the etiquette is on this. I do know that there's nuances, but see, this is a great example of how you can spend just about anything to make it the oldest, the best, the number one. like
00:38:34
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And I'm not just talking about criminal cases. like It's all in what you're taking into consideration, right?
Sensationalism in Crime Reporting
00:38:42
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Oh, yeah. And the truth is, and The reason I'm still recommending the article is because the author, writer, researcher of the article had absolutely nothing to do with the headline.
00:38:54
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i just want to make sure people know that. That's an editor's job. Their job is to get our attention and be sensational, like Meg's describing. Spin it to be the greatest, oldest, most unsolved-est. I think the person just must not know. Yeah.
00:39:09
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They chatted GBT the fact-checking. It's fine. They didn't shepherdize it. I'm not going to argue with them. ah That case is ah it's predated by another Middlesex DA press release, which I think is succinct enough that, like,
00:39:24
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we won't be in the four hour episode territory that we would be in order to just pull from the article. um Are you okay if I synopsize all of this with the press release that he mentions? go for it. Okay.
00:39:37
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So this is the same up. This is Marianne Ryan. She's the Middlesex district attorney 2024. Bedford police chief John Fisher joins her for this joint press release.
00:39:51
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And this is May 14th 2024 when they released this information. says the Middlesex District Attorney's Office and Bedford Police announced that almost 53 years after the crime occurred, Arthur Massey, 78, of Salem, has been convicted of first-degree murder for the June 10th, 1971 killing of Natalie Shublin.
00:40:20
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A Middlesex Superior Court jury convicted Massey of solicitation to suborn perjury in the trial of a capital indictment, which I have to say is up there with the alphabet assault for the most words in a criminal charge subheading.
00:40:40
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Solicitation to suborn perjury in the trial of a capital indictment is a lot of words. This is after investigators, a couple of years ago, back in 2022, thwarted his attempt to pay off a witness.
00:40:54
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And that witness is going to come in and say that there was some framing going on with this crime, which is interesting. And I'll swing back around a little... Anecdote at the end.
00:41:04
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It says, Natalie Shuvlin was a wife, mother, a cancer survivor. She loved gardening and painting. She was brutally murdered by a stranger in her own home. For more than 50 years, this case went unsolved. Today's verdict is the culmination of years of investigative work and exemplifies the core mission of my cold case unit, which is honestly, that's really what the article about. The article in Boston is about how the leader of the cold case is she going to like just dug in?
00:41:33
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I thought it was a pretty cool testimony to taking one of those type jobs. It says, um not only are our prosecutors committed to solving these cases, but we can and will hold people accountable regardless of the passage of time. And so the court mission that she was talking about was providing answers to families. that's This is all quotes from ah District Attorney Ryan.
00:41:56
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In the early evening of Thursday, June 10th, 1971, Raymond Shublin, the president of the Lexington Trust Bank, returned from work to find the body of his wife, Natalie Shublin, who was 54, in the basement of their Bedford home.
00:42:10
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She was face down on the floor, her ankles bound, with a makeshift gag around her neck. Mr. Shublin immediately contacted the Bedford Police Department, whose officers arrived within minutes.
00:42:21
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Based on the state of her body, it appeared that she had only been dead for a short time, and an autopsy subsequently determined that Mrs. Hughland had been stabbed with a knife multiple times and struck with an unidentified object.
00:42:34
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That unidentified object caused a massive blunt force injury to her skull. The investigation revealed that a set of bank keys were missing. don't know if you can get more on the nose than that. You break into the bank president's home and take the bank keys. and I can't imagine where we should look for that guy. Can you?
00:42:50
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I know, right? So the other thing was m Shublin's automobile, a blue and white 1969 Chevy Impala, had been taken. So police canvassed the area. They interviewed neighbors. They started looking for the missing vehicle.
00:43:03
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By 8.42 p.m., so this is like a couple hours, basically. Figured he gets home between 5 and 6, maybe a little later.
00:43:15
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They locate this impala in the parking lot of a nearby VA hospital. It's about half a mile away or a little less from the murder scene. The car appeared to have been intentionally wiped down to remove fingerprints, but they were able to observe and collect several latent prints from it, including one from the right rear window.
00:43:35
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Police pursued dozens of potential leads, but no suspect was identified. In 1999, fingerprint examiners from the Massachusetts State Police used a new tool, the FBI's APHIS system, which is the Automated Fingerprint end Identification System. I think it's actually Automated Fingerprint Index System.
00:43:54
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But i look um and I've seen it used both ways. so They used this to attempt to identify the fingerprints found on the Impala and other latent fingerprints found in the crime scene.
00:44:06
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Through APHIS at this time, they were able to identify Arthur l Massey as a potential candidate. Septuquint analysis of that print by two state police fingerprint experts confirmed that the latent print recovered from the victim's vehicle matched Massey's left thumb.
00:44:23
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Police interviewed Massey in 2000, but he denied ever having been in Bedford or having any knowledge of the murder. And in 2005, they re-interviewed Massey. He changed his story, claiming he had been solicited by an organized crime associate to murder the wife of the banker and to make the murder look like a break-in, but he had refused the solicitation.
00:44:44
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In 2019, the Cold Case Unit created by District Attorney Ryan reexamined the case, gathering information about the defendant's past in an effort to identify new witnesses. in an effort to identify new witnesses.
00:44:58
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During the course of this wide-ranging investigation, detectives identified a woman who admitted she had been involved with Massey in schemes to defraud banks in the 90s. She revealed that Massey had admitted to her that he had organized crime connections and that he had once stabbed someone to death in their home.
00:45:16
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That information, along with the other facts of the case, were presented to the Middlesex County Grand Jury, which returned an indictment for first-degree murder. While he was in custody for the murder charge, Massey attempted to procure a witness to give false testimony on his trial, offering a $1,000 cash payment if the witness would falsely claim that Massey had been framed for the murder in an effort to derail the prosecution.
00:45:42
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Working with the Middletech Sheriff's Office, investigators were able to thwart this plot, and prosecutors brought an additional charge of solicitation to support perjury in the trial of a capital indictment.
00:45:53
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That charge was joined for trial along with the indictment alleging first-degree murder. So the jury hears the case, they deliberate for three days, and they convict Arthur Massey in connection with Natalie Shuvlin's murder.
00:46:09
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So obviously, I'm synopsizing a lot. The... other article kind of gets into some really wild stuff about different cold cases, but it focuses, I i think it's fair to say it focuses almost entirely on this case.
00:46:28
Speaker
Yeah. um I just, I think it's so interesting that probably in every jurisdiction in the country, there's one of these, like every County probably has one of these cases, if not more.
00:46:44
Speaker
Right, I was going to say at least. I mean, probably. um i do think it's like... i sam You called it a blizzard, and I think that's 100% sure. No, I called it an avalanche. You called it an avalanche, I'm sorry. yeah You called it an avalanche, and I think that's 100% certain that that's what it is. i um It's certainly an avalanche.
00:47:12
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But at this point... I am absolutely blown away with like how, I don't know, this is two things that are convex for me that are kind of weird.
00:47:26
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Have you seen how much like nonsense there is on social media of like old cases and it has like a lot of factual errors in it, but it's like reels constantly running about or Facebook posts or Instagram posts about cases that like you and I have researched to death?
00:47:40
Speaker
Yeah, and they're just wrong. Yeah. um There's lots of podcasts and YouTube that's put out wrong information. And I am always able to find something either connected to a case that isn't all that talked about or a brand new case altogether that nobody's talked about.
00:47:58
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And I am so glad that Boston Magazine took a chance on telling this version of the story where you can incorporate a bunch of these cold cases. Because if you think about it, Massachusetts is where we get Ruth Bermie Terry's case.
00:48:12
Speaker
Like, that's the Lady of the Dunes, which everybody knew the Lady of the Dunes case. Right. but nobody knew as much. And when it's finally like when she's finally identified and her husband turned out to have killed her, it's not as interesting. It was way more interesting when like they had like, maybe it's an extra from jaws. Um, maybe do you remember all this like craziness they had about it? And yeah, yeah i I, remember it was crazy. And there was like the, uh, there was a serial killer up there. i think Tony Costa was a suspect in that case.
00:48:47
Speaker
And in he's interesting because he's another one of those serial killers. I wanted to make a show about the serial killers that kill themselves in prison because he basically is, I think, locked up in 1970 and kills himself by 1971. Haddon Clark had confessed, but Haddon Clark is like, I think it's schizophrenia, maybe.
00:49:12
Speaker
um Anyways, I bring all this up because that's briefly, i think they touch on the cold case treatment as a whole and some of the different murders they've worked on, but they talk about the Massachusetts State Crime Lab, which, you know, the Karen Reed trial taught me that Massachusetts is apparently the most ah like most expensive place to live in America.
00:49:36
Speaker
Did you know that before, Karen Reed? I think I probably did. the only The only place that comes close is Hawaii. Yeah, um that's interesting, isn't it?
00:49:50
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Yeah, it is. um i don't have a ton more on this. I don't feel like... I mean, did you have more on this? Because I kind of just like zoomed through that. i apologize for doing that.
00:50:05
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Well, no, I mean, once the narrative is laid out it's pretty straightforward it was straightforward enough that like you know they had this dude lined up just using his fingerprint yeah they actually had him like they had him a lot earlier than when he's convicted they've known about this for like 20 some years Right, exactly. And so it's, you know, they were just waiting to get the piece they needed because he ah denied involvement, right? Right.
00:50:45
Speaker
Yeah, i you know, the one thing i learned from the article, because i always try to take something away, they had something called a Helen and Keller print. Right. It was so clear that even Helen Keller could see it.
00:51:00
Speaker
Right. Yeah. And I had never heard that phrasing. would I mean, the minute they said it, I was like, oh, I know what that is. But then they explain it a little later. They're like, it's because it's even a blind person could see it. And I was like, oh, OK.
00:51:14
Speaker
Right. And so that would make it, you know, a really obvious print. Yeah, that's usually when it's a greasy or bloody print.
00:51:23
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, i guess I thought that, ah yeah, no, they did say that it was visible because then they talked about the other Leighton prints, right? Right. I think the most interesting thing, even though I learned that, the most interesting thing for me was that this was related to a fraud.
00:51:42
Speaker
like like Or a ah a theft type scheme. You know what i mean? Like he's trying to get the bank keys. Well, right. And, like, we don't really get all that. Even in the article, we didn't get all that, right? We don't have a motive, no.
00:52:01
Speaker
And ah I'm pretty sure the bank... Because wasn't it that ah the the bank... And I think they named the bank, which was...
00:52:12
Speaker
interesting that they named it, but didn't they put up a $5,000 reward, but then they also changed their locks, right? I mean, like wouldn't I wouldn't change my locks, would you? I would just set up a ah lot of people on the inside that no one knew were there.
00:52:29
Speaker
i would constantly have a guy with a gun looking around. Well, I wasn't sure. I just thought it was... um i don't know. I was like, well, why would...
00:52:39
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why would they name the bank, right? Oh, I see what you're saying. you just got the keys and you don't know, but see, it just seemed like there was more to it than that, right? Yeah, he had been the bank manager for a long time.
00:52:55
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they did They put up $5,000 basically saying, Lexington Trust Bank put up $5,000 for
00:53:06
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Their way of doing that was like so people could feel safe, but also like this is one of their own. um and the the If I recall correctly, the town at the time was really small, right?
00:53:18
Speaker
like I think it was only 10,000 12,000 people. Yeah, i was, yeah. Yeah, when they finally get it all together, Arthur Massey, so his thing that shocked me is he's not a predator, like a sexual predator.
Arthur Massey's Criminal Profile
00:53:33
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Most of what he was doing involved forging checks. So he would have been 26 at the time. i do wonder what he had. I wonder what that guy like really did there. Because I don't believe in Massey's story.
00:53:54
Speaker
I think that, um I think he went there to steal the keys and he didn't realize she was there That was the feeling I had too. I mean, I didn't have, this is in my gut though. It's not based on anything.
00:54:08
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Yeah, no, I'm speculating, but my, the idea was I mean, she could have even walked in on him.
00:54:17
Speaker
Yeah, and yeah that makes that actually makes a lot of sense if he had flagged the routines and was trying to slip in to get it and not be caught. Right, and the viciousness that you know was conveyed, it's not like there was a picture, but what you know it it got it got my...
00:54:42
Speaker
attention in that it seemed like it could very well be as i don't know what a i felt like it could be a serial killer well it was like a but well what i'm saying is like if you're at a house robbing it and like you think you're alone and you've you know youth done your homework on the house nobody should be coming home and then suddenly somebody's there you're going to have like a a rageful reaction and and it's not even it's probably more adrenaline than anything else right uh because typically think it's rage or panic well probably panic and you know
00:55:27
Speaker
Was she how she wasn't shot, was she? No, she was. OK, so like beaten to death. Yeah. The deal. Hold on. I'm going to pull it back up to the top the article here. They.
00:55:41
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fifty to do And that always makes me think that, like, he didn't even have a weapon. Yeah.
00:55:50
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She had been gagged. Her hands and feet were bound with clothesline and articles of her clothing with a piece of rope laying beneath her body. She lay face down on blood-soaked rug. She had been stabbed twice, and part of her skull had been bludgeoned into ah fragments.
00:56:06
Speaker
Right, and that to me says something like she walked in on him, ah threw a wrench in his plan, ah you know, because after that happened, he couldn't do anything that he had planned to do at Like for the initial reason, like if he was there to steal the bank keys because he killed her, he couldn't do any of that other stuff. Right. yeah And, and that would have been frustrating.
00:56:41
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yeah And so her murder was okay. It's thought to have had the weapons pulled from the home because missing from the home is a paring knife. ah either from the block or from the a chair, and then a pinch bar, which is a big old crowbar, usually about five feet long.
00:56:58
Speaker
Right, and that's what I was um thinking was he probably didn't even have a weapon, so he had to just improvise ah whatever he could get his hands on, right? Because he was panicking in that moment. ah But, you know, it doesn't it's nonsensical because...
00:57:18
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you're going to get in a lot more trouble for murdering someone than you are for, ah like, if she, if he didn't murder her and she turned him in for being in her house, right? Right.
00:57:30
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ah So it doesn't make any sense. But then again, he did get away with it, right? Correct. Yeah, I mean, it was so sad because, so, the husband, Raymond, he ends up selling the house a year after the murder.
00:57:45
Speaker
And, He died in 2011 at 92 years old. So he would have had like an inkling. I'm sure they told him they had a suspect that they couldn't find anything on.
00:57:58
Speaker
But um it's going to be another 15 years before a conviction happens. who is it 14 years from 2011 when he dies?
00:58:10
Speaker
Conviction is what, 2025? That's so long. Right. But we, I mean, we don't know how much they had shared, right? Right. We have no idea.
00:58:20
Speaker
i will say Arthur Massey and the pictures that they have in the article from Boston Magazine and from what i could find online, he's an interesting looking dude. His mugshots from the 70s, he looks more like a schemer. And by the 90s, he looks more like out of work pornographer.
00:58:39
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It's a giant handlebar mustache. And I was just like, oh my gosh. Well, to me, this is so terrible to say. To me, it looked like his life was a whole lot more interesting in his head than it was in reality. Yeah.
00:58:55
Speaker
Like, he made everything sound. I think he also, like, the things that came out of his mouth were the things from his head. But like one of the women in the article described that they would dumpster dive behind banks for like shreds of paper that had whole account numbers and names on them. Then they'd forge checks, to deposit them, get half the money back in cash, and use that money to live.
00:59:17
Speaker
and that just did not sound like dumpster diving for in the 90s for bank information sounded terrible to me. Well, it was like the pre-scam scammer.
00:59:30
Speaker
Oh, yeah, yeah. It kind of is. But, it's yeah, like the ones that are doing all the retirement scams today and all the ones that come from, like, the call banks in different countries where we get constant phone calls about nonsense. It's kind of early days that.
00:59:43
Speaker
Because they're just taking bits and pieces off the internet too, right? Right. But to me, that seems like, well, I don't know what the people are doing today, but like to me, like it actually seems like it would be more annoying ah less annoying to have somebody just get paperwork instead of calling you constantly, right? I've never understood what they're getting at here. Right.
01:00:07
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Oh yeah. I, I blocked so many numbers in the last two years and I realized that like, that's not really a way to deal with all of this just to clog up my block numbers.
01:00:18
Speaker
Well, I, so I hear so many different things. i end up basically just never answering the phone um unless, you know, i I recognize the number. I feel like if,
01:00:32
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if it's something really important, uh, somebody will leave a message. Right. Yeah. And other than that, I, I don't worry about it. Uh, I am certain, uh, that whatever they're telling me is, doesn't apply to me.
01:00:52
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and it's kind of weird. The whole tactic that's taken, i don't, So much understand it. I feel like that our curiosity our curiosity about it is kind of why we do the scammers every once in a while. Yeah.
01:01:06
Speaker
But this dude looks like that would have been right up his alley. Yeah, no, it kind of does. I'm really, I think people should read up on this one. i don't think it's, I think, i don't think it's going to turn into anything on Netflix or some big documentary. um I do think the article is well written. And I think the case itself is interesting. I don't have a ton of information on it that like is new to like something we did or found or piece together that no one else did, except for my question of why are they calling this the oldest?
01:01:37
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And I think it's the conviction. It's gotta be that. Yeah. And I don't actually know what the appropriate phrasing of that would be. Well, I don't know what the etiquette is. um i think we've actually talked about this previously, about how, you know, a closed case, is it really solved? Like, if you can't, if it doesn't go through the judicial process.
01:02:03
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Yeah, you and i have definitely talked about that. I'm pretty sure it would have made its way here by now. Yeah. So... Do you have anything else on this one? No. no
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