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It’s Never Too Late: Rewiring the Aging Brain with Silver Minds
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In this episode of Engaging Aging, Erin welcomes Gwen Sorley from Play Attention and Silver Minds for an eye-opening conversation about cognitive health, aging, and the incredible neuroplasticity we maintain throughout life. Gwen shares how NASA-inspired neurotechnology is helping older adults strengthen attention, memory, processing speed, and executive function — whether they’re looking to stay sharp, prevent decline, or navigate early cognitive changes.
Together, they explore the emotional side of aging, why cognitive vitality has become the top concern for older adults, and how holistic support — including personalized neurocognitive training, movement, mindfulness, learning, and community — can create meaningful improvements in day-to-day life. Gwen also shares the personal story behind the creation of Silver Minds, and why it’s never too late to change your brain.
If you’ve ever wondered what’s possible for your cognitive health or a loved one’s, this conversation offers science, hope, and practical, empowering next steps.
Connect With Silver Minds
Phone: 📞 828-676-2239 | Website: www.mysilverminds.com
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Introduction to Silver Minds and Cognitive Health
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Boy, do I have a good episode for you today, folks. Today, I interviewed Gwen Sorley from Play Attention and more importantly, their new program called Silver Minds, where we discuss ADHD, neuroplasticity, our brain's ability to change and grow over time, and the importance of cognitive health at all ages, but especially later in life.
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So if you or someone you love has been diagnosed with ADHD, this session is for you. And even if you haven't, if you're concerned about your neuro health and cognition as you age, this jam packed with insights and inspiration. And I can't wait for you to have a listen.
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Welcome to Engaging Aging. I'm Erin DeCarlo. And I'm Lauren Watts. We believe life gets richer with age and we're here to prove it. We bring you real conversations about aging well, living fully and navigating this journey with confidence. So let's dive in because aging isn't something to endure. It's something to embrace.
Gwen Sorley's Journey with Play Attention
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Gwen, we are so happy to have you on the Engaging Aging podcast today. Welcome. Thank you for having me. I'm very excited to be here. It's really so exciting for us as well. For some of our listeners, you may or may not have heard me talk about my attention deficit disorder in the past. It's a diagnosis that I received later in life after learning that a few of my children have attention deficit disorder. And i really did a full swan dive into learning about what is that, what is happening inside of my brain. And when I learned more about it, I realized a lot of my kind of behaviors in the world made more sense to me.
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And so when I learned about your company and the service you provide, I first and foremost was fascinated by the research for myself But also, as we'll talk about today, how this can really impact the brains of older adults. So welcome. And your name of your company is Play Attention. it's Correct. Tell us a little bit about you and Play Attention before we dive in today.
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So my background is in education and i have a master's in education and i actually was introduced to Play Attention back in the early 90s when I was teaching in the Asheville City School District. You know, ah when I first started teaching, of course, we had lots of students who were struggling because of their attention difficulties or weak executive function.
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And it was really challenging as a teacher because we were very limited as far as the tools that we had to provide them with the ability to improve their attention and executive function and really reach their full potential.
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So fortunately, we had a very forward thinking special education director, and he had adopted play attention into all of our schools. And that was my first introduction to neurotechnology and play attention. where I was able to use play attention with all of my students, not only those individuals who were identified as having ADHD, but for all of those individuals who were struggling with attention difficulties or executive function, ah but would never really be identified. So we used play attention with those individuals as well and just saw phenomenal changes. with their ability to attend and really reach their full potentials.
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I had one ah little boy that I'll tell you about. He was in my second grade classroom. His name was Jaylon, and he had a severe attention difficulty, but he was amazingly bright. He was so intelligent. And when i would call out double digit addition and subtraction facts or questions, he would be able to answer those questions right off the top of his head.
How Play Attention Uses Neurotechnology
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And he was amazingly smart. But when I'd say, great, now go back to your seat and sit down and write down the answer. And ah I'd look at him two minutes later and he'd be on top of the desk and under the desk and he would not have remembered what he was supposed to do.
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And so at the end of grade test on the math assessment, he tested out in the 67th percentile. Now I knew that that didn't truly show what he knew.
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It showed the fact that he had a hard time paying attention to the test and getting down his answers. So I kept him in this full program throughout third grade And at the end of grade test in third grade, he tested out in the 99th percentile. Amazing.
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I didn't make him any smarter. He was always that smart. But what I did do with Play Attention's neurotechnology is that I was giving him that opportunity to develop the skills he needed in order to really show what he knew.
00:05:29
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What's so interesting, and I didn't make this connection until right now, I just came from my fourth grade daughter's teacher conference. And the first time that Gwen and i actually had a Zoom meeting and connected with each other, I cried on the call because I'm witnessing it with my own children. And I always wonder for my children, who I think I'm a decent advocate in the school system, but I feel so guilty that I don't have the tools or skillset to help support them the way that they need to be supported. And so I just came from her teacher conference this morning where it's not a lack of intelligence. It's not a lack of will. It's really hard for her body to lock in and focus to do the task. And I feel so bad for the teachers because they're trying, but their tools at their disposal are limited. so What is Play Attention? Tell us about this amazing technology.
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So Play Attention is NASA-inspired neurocognitive training program. And at its heart is our body wave armband. And that armband has three sensors.
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And those sensors monitor your brain activity that tells us how attentive you are. And then that information is given over to the computer where you're allowed to control all of the cognitive exercises just with your mind or more specifically your attention alone. And you receive constant and immediate feedback as to whether or not you truly are focused and paying attention.
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And that's a really important first step in the learning process. Because if you think about your daughter's day at school and how many times a day she hears, pay attention, I need you to pay attention, sit still, eyes on me, pay attention. And your daughter is thinking, but I am paying attention. And she may really think that she is, but she just hasn't developed what it takes for her personally to stay attentive to low stimuli for long periods of time.
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So what our body wave system, our neurotechnology allows us to do is to take that very abstract concept of attention and make it concrete and controllable. So now she's going to see her attention. She feels what she's doing and she's allowed to practice not only just attention,
00:07:56
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But all of those other cognitive skills, like because attention is just the tip of the iceberg, right? It also we have to also look at improving working memory and social skills and processing speed and task completion.
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All of those cognitive skills that right now may be challenging, but required for strong executive function. So within our program, we are customizing each individual's plan so that we can develop those core cognitive skills and improve executive function.
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So what is passing through the body that the technology of the NASA-inspired band, like what is that picking up on? what What's happening on a scientific level that's being monitored?
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So the neurotechnology is monitoring actual brain activity. What ah neurotechnology allows us to do is see in real time your different brain states, right? With play attention, we're particularly looking at attention, but neurotechnology can pick up different brain states like attention or stress or peak performance. those that information is embedded in gentle waves that oscillate along the surface of the brain.
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And our neurotechnology is monitoring those brain states in real time. And then it's providing that information to you in a visual format, typically through a display on your computer or your tablet.
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It's much like when you go to the gym, and you're on a treadmill, right? When you're on a treadmill, you place your hands on the sensors, and then you get immediate feedback regarding your heart rate. And based on that feedback, you can adjust what you're doing.
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With our neurotechnology, we're monitoring your brain activity that's indicative of attention, and we're giving you that real-time feedback regarding your attentive state.
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It's amazing. And what I know now as a certified neurosomatic intelligence practitioner is that our brain's ability to create these new neurological connections and pathways and neuro tags and all of that neuroplasticity that increases when we do these neuro drills. What I love about this technology is now there's a way to actually see it. So people are able to, and the course I was in, like notice, you know, document changes that they were feeling or different behavioral outputs, but this is like in the moment, accurate diagnosing, not diagnosing, but reading of those results, which is amazing.
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um Tell me a little bit. So, and I love, tell me about the history. This isn't new. So what's beautiful about your technology, it's been proven for thousands of people over how many decades now? Over 30 years now. ah The founder of our company, Peter Freer, has a background in neuroscience and education and ah science and technology. So he started researching different attention training techniques back in the 1980s, because again, he was working with students and clients who were struggling with attention difficulties and found that our resources were very limited.
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So as he was researching the different attention training techniques that were being done, he came across the work that NASA was doing with their pilots and astronauts. And what he found was fascinating. He found that NASA was integrating neurotechnology with their flight simulator training.
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So they were monitoring the brain states of their pilots and astronauts in order to train them how to stay very attentive under hyperarousal, that's when there's lots of stimulation going on, ah and hypoarousal where there's not a lot going on. you So they were flying and yeah.
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Okay. Exactly. So they're using that feedback technology, that neurotechnology to develop those skills. And he thought that's brilliant.
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If I can allow my students or my clients to see their attention in real time while developing the cognitive skills we need every day, then I have a comprehensive program. And that was the very foundation of play attention.
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So we have been doing this for over 30 And there are three university-based studies done by Tufts University School of Medicine medicine to validate those results.
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That's amazing.
The Birth of Silver Minds for Seniors
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Obviously, what really piqued our interest, and I think where we connected deeply, was your new Silver Minds program. Tell me where that happened for the company where Play Attention has now stepped into the older adult space with these neurotechnology drills.
00:13:06
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Yeah, i it's really interesting because as we've been working with clients around the world for the last 30 years, we've seen this shift.
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in our client base. Now, most of our clients are between the ages of 45 and 85. So we're finding that there are a lot more aging individuals who are interested in cognitive health. And it's not only us that are seeing this, you know, AARP did a survey of their clients and they asked their clients what is the most important issue you're facing as you head into retirement? And they thought that the most important issue was going to be financial security.
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oh But the fact is that 80% of their clients said that cognitive health was the most important issue they were facing.
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And so we know that you can have all the money in the world, but your brain is your most valuable asset. yes And many of us are seeing our friends and our family members go into cognitive decline and you can have all the money in the world, but if you can't remember your child's name and you can't remember how to get to the store, then the quality of life is really diminished.
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And so there are a lot of individuals who are facing this and the interest in cognitive health is really critical at this point. So we've been seeing this and um we know that it is an important issue.
00:14:58
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But I've had a personal experience and this was really ah the inspiration for Silver Minds. Silver Minds is our new division of play attention.
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And it is a brain health and wellness company that focuses on cognitive vitality for
Challenges in Cognitive Engagement for Seniors
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seniors. and my personal experience with my mother is the inspiration for this because my mom was amazing.
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She was bright and funny and she was very active in every event. She was always planning events and she loved being with her family and her friends.
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But as she aged and my father died and many of her very close friends started to pass away, her world started to become much smaller.
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And at that point, she started to really move inward. And then as the years progressed, she started to experience cognitive decline.
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And she was eventually diagnosed with dementia. And I know many people can relate to this experience. And it is the most difficult time.
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It is so difficult to watch your loved one experienced dementia. And it was hard for me to see my mom who was always very outgoing, become very angry and sad.
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And she was having a hard time communicating and that really frustrated her. no And so eventually in the last year of her life, we had her in three different living facilities.
00:16:56
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And each of those facilities promised lots of social engagement. and Yeah, stimulation. Stimulation and individualized plans for each individual.
00:17:09
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But the reality is that these facilities have very caring staff members, but they are understaffed and they are overwhelmed. So at the end of the day, they're really just getting through the basics. And it's interesting. My mind right now is making the connection back to your classroom as someone who worked in senior living for many years. They don't necessarily have the tools that they need for that level of engagement.
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And I think of like overwhelmed, understaffed, underpaid, very similar to the teaching world, but please continue. Yes, you're, you're correct. And, uh, and it's, it's very sad to watch, you know, uh,
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So i know a lot of the the um a lot of the time my mom was with several other individuals just in a common area, you know, in their wheelchairs or on the couches watching TV. And my mom did pass away this summer. And once she passed away, I had a time to really reflect on that experience.
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And as I reflected on the experience we had with my mother, I know that there is so much more we can do, not only with our neurotechnology, with play attention, but with all of the research that has been done on cognitive health. There is so much more we can provide individuals who are aging and want to stay cognitively sharp, or they are already experiencing some type of cognitive decline.
Silver Minds' Comprehensive Approach
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We can support the brain in many ways. And that is the foundation of Silver Minds. It is my tribute to my mom and her life. And it's our promise that we are going to provide more to seniors, that we are going to provide a comprehensive program that integrates not only play attention's neurocognitive training, that can improve executive function. But we're also going to build in all of those other elements we know are critical to brain health. that is That includes exercise and mindfulness and socialization and continuing education. We combine all of that in one comprehensive plan. that we can individualize for each senior. So our goal is to provide cognitive vitality for seniors throughout their lifetime.
00:19:54
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I love this so much. and People hear me talk a lot about ageism in America being this socially acceptable form of prejudice just kind of across the board. And there is just this lie that most people believe that when we're old, there's nothing you can do throw in the hat. And there's no such thing as mindset. Our minds are neuroplastic. We can change over time. And the older we get and the studies around this are fascinating. The ability, even with advanced cognitive impairment, to make new neuro connections still exist. But what I love and I'd like to talk further about your program. this container that you're creating for people. It's not just the neuro drills and the technology. It's the whole person. So is this a program that can be taken like wherever the older adult is living, whether they're at home or a senior living community, or what are your first iterations of this program into the world?
00:20:53
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So our model right now is in center. So we have our center where seniors are coming to our center and they're experiencing the Silver Mines sessions. So we have two sessions a week, which are group sessions.
00:21:10
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And those sessions incorporate the five pillars that I just touched on. But before they even start ah the sessions, we do individualized plans. So we do assessments with each individual and we use a lot of the and NIH assessments where we look at cognitive abilities, but we also use their emotion scales. Because it's not enough just to look at cognitive abilities. We also have to look at their emotional state. yeah We have to look at how they are doing with stress and anger and loneliness. Because those emotional factors have a big impact, not only on our cognitive health, but our physical health.
00:21:59
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I have a quick question. I'm on the emotional status. So I recently became a certified essential emotions coach, which is really helping people tap into understanding what we're actually feeling or how is it going? I feel like we as humans are just sometimes so disconnected. our emotions from our physical body, even that we know scientifically, it's all connected. The wiring is all the same. Do you find that people are aware of the emotions that they're feeling or is it hard for them to name it?
00:22:29
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I would just love to hear that feedback. You know, it's interesting that you ask that because I've actually been surprised at those emotion rating scales and that they've been very honest. And we are finding that many of our clients are very high on those rating scales for stress and anxiety and loneliness and life life satisfaction overall. So I feel that a lot of the individuals that we are working with have identified, it maybe they didn't identify it before they took that scale. you know Sometimes you have to be asked the questions in order to really reflect on your response and how you are actually feeling, but it has definitely given them an experience or an opportunity to reflect and really rate themselves as far as their stress and
Impact of Silver Minds on Participants
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anxiety. I think they there may be a bit of a disconnect on how that is actually
00:23:33
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affecting them cognitively. Well, that's what I love about at the end of the program or throughout the program. It's so hard to track our progress if we don't have a baseline. And so just noticing and naming what is this baseline or bringing awareness to it, feeling it. So then we can track progress over time. Are people surprised? Are older adults surprised by the changes like tell us what are some of the changes people start to almost immediately notice and then over time are they surprised by their brain and body's ability to make drastic improvement?
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I think that is one of the most exciting parts of our program right is that they are surprised because many of our clients come to us and they're kind of playing that tape in their heads you can't teach an old dog new tricks, right? We've all heard that. And we know science tells us that that is not true, but they are very focused on what they can't do, the cognitive abilities that they have lost. And when we start our education series and we start educating them about the potential of the brain, that yes, age does change the brain,
00:24:50
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But it's not finished. Yes. We can still take steps to improve the quality of our lives. And so that awareness is really important. But as they start going through the process, they start realizing that that's not just theory, that it's true and they are experiencing it.
00:25:13
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I had one woman, she's one of our newer clients, and she is in her early eighty s And she was just diagnosed with dementia. Fortunately, her caregiver knew about silver mines and um she brought her client into us. And at this point she was very depressed because her world was getting smaller. She was losing a lot of independence and she felt that everything was outside of her control at this point. And so we had our initial meeting and one of the exciting parts is that she signed up for the program, but her caregiver also signed up for the program. And I think that shared experience is so em important.
00:25:57
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yeah And ah so they were both enrolled into the program. And when we first started, part of the program is that they go through their customized neurocognitive training plan with play attention. And at the end, we have a journal entry and we ask,
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what I learned, what I'm proud of what I need to improve. And the first couple of weeks, she would not write what she was proud of.
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interesting She kept looking at me and saying, I'm not proud of anything because I can't do anything. and And after a couple of weeks where she was actually seeing her scores improve, and she was using some of the techniques we were providing in our session back in her day-to-day living, she started to see that she was making improvements, not only in play attention, but in her daily living. So now, two, three weeks in, she's consistently writing three or four things that she's proud of. So there's this huge shift, not only cognitively, right? She's not just saying, I'm proud of the fact that I've improved my attention scores.
00:27:16
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But she's proud of her abilities and what she sees ahead of her, that she has this potential to continue growing and improving. And that's that shift in the perception of aging, right? She came in thinking that Aging was this is a doom and gloom sentence. It is what it is. Exactly. There's nothing I can do. And now her perception has changed. And we know that when we can have a positive perception of aging,
00:27:51
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that changes our cognitive health, our physical health, our ability to communicate in our self-determination, internal motivation to do the thing. Lauren and I started studying positive psychology about a decade ago, and it's changed how we approach everything. Because yes, when we can build upon what's working well, what we pay attention to grows over time. And so it seems like these very small micro- things that were happening to her, but now it becomes this overall life macro viewpoint that changes people's lives. And it's so beautiful because once people, i know I've witnessed it as you witness, once people have the tools, they use it. And it's not this external, no one's coming in and fixing or healing or saving you. You're able to go inward and do those things for yourself. And We know that that ripple effect, that's why I'm so glad you're here with us today to show the example. This is possible for anyone that is willing and able to take a try on themselves and go inward. Are any feedback from caregivers? Sometimes I think the outside world notices changes in us before we do. Any outside people commenting on change for others? Yeah.
00:29:10
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Absolutely. And, you know, they are seeing those changes in attention and memory and processing, but that translates into better communication and less stress and anxiety.
Silver Minds' Virtual Program and Expansion Plans
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So we're developing these cognitive skills and you can pinpoint, oh, she remembered my name or she can go to the store and remember those items she wanted to pick up. But as a global improvement, the ability to communicate better and to be engaged is something that the caregivers and the family members are really excited about because that is a game changer.
00:29:53
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Yes, I keep thinking as we're talking about like the opportunity for intergenerational use of this program together. are Any challenges for older adults that may not consider themselves tech savvy um when using the play attention or silver mines platform you mentioned right now it's all in person. Do you also have a version of this where people aren't in your market that they can participate?
00:30:16
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Of course, we do have a virtual program available as well. Of course, we've been doing virtual programs with Play Attention ah for, as I mentioned, over 30 years.
00:30:28
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And when you start Play Attention, you are assigned a personal dedicated focus coach. That's one of our coaches here on staff to assist you every step of the way, because it's not enough to give someone an app and say, good luck, right? don't make changes for apps, right? We make changes because we have that personal relationship and we have that guidance. And I think that it's been interesting. One of the,
00:30:58
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questions that I'm getting most often now with play attention and silver minds when I mentioned that you're going to have a dedicated focus coach or you're going to have a guide to assist you every step of the way. The first thing everyone is asking now is, is it a real person?
00:31:15
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Oh, because of AI. Yeah, I think we are are experiencing a little bit of ai burnout. And they want to know that there is an actual person who's going to guide them through this process. And I think for older adults, that is important. They will always have someone to guide them. So we take them step by step.
00:31:36
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When they're doing the virtual program, they will have that dedicated focus coach who is going to set up their profile and do a Zoom meeting with them to take them through an onboarding.
00:31:48
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and make certain that they are very comfortable with everything before they get started. And then we do ongoing follow-ups to make certain. We touch base with them every single week to make certain that they are progressing and answer their questions and provide that positive feedback. So they have that with the technology. Plus within the technology, we have sheer genius. We do have AI within the program. that makes a lot of the program ah the program decisions. yeah So Sheer Genius is constantly customizing the plan automatically based on that individual's growth.
00:32:26
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And then with Silver Minds, remember, play attention is at the heart of Silver Minds. But with the virtual program that we are offering in January, they'll be able to join a community online where we're going to have the sessions that we're now doing live, but we're going to do those online so that you will meet with your group on Zoom, and we will do all of those pillars together. So that you're creating that community within. I just keep thinking about as well, like when we're older, we have more time to focus on the things that, you know, bring us joy or that I feel like it's the perfect demographic to use this program, but also as to your earlier point, an engagement tool, like home care companies, senior centers, even community libraries. Like this is such a great thing to do to fill your days throughout the week that have this like huge payoff. What are you finding? Like, obviously our first time we talked, I said, why is this not in every school in America? And now i'm like, why is this not in every senior center in America? Where are your biggest challenges getting this technology and information out into the world? And, um,
00:33:47
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I just know there's going to be people listening to this that are going to ask the same question, like, how do we get this in our backyards? What's the challenge? Why are we not hearing about this across the board? Well, Silver Minds is newer division. Of course, play attention has been used globally by thousands of individuals um for over 30 years. But Silver Minds, we are going to expand this internationally. And we are, like you said, our plan is to get those investors to help us expand our model into senior living facilities. into caregivers ah facilities, into the um centers. We will have many centers across the country and internationally that provides silver mines. So it is education because we have always taken more of a casual approach, I think, to ah cognitive development. You know, we say, download this app or eat your leafy greens and take a walk and remember to do your crossword puzzles. And so now we're saying, no, we know all of these pillars are important, but we have to take a systematic approach that is guided and customized. And so it is just educating the global population that this is possible and it is here and we can package it and support it.
Challenging Ageism with Silver Minds
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I love this so much. And it's combating ageism. I think the bigger challenge here that we you know you all need to unite on the same front is that aging is not, it doesn't have to be this doom and gloom experience, that there are ways to live our best life with quality of life. And you've created kind of a package to support that. And I commend you and everyone at Play Attention so deeply from the center of my heart. Who is the ideal candidate for Silver Minds and how can people get involved or connect with you in the program?
00:35:58
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The ideal candidate is truly anyone who wants to remain cognitively sharp and who wants to prevent or delay cognitive decline. It really is appropriate for anyone who wants to put the work in and really focus on their personal cognitive vitality.
00:36:21
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And they can get in touch with us on our website at mysilverminds.com. They can i call us. Our phone number is 828-676-2239. So they can call us if that is easier for them. but we do have a form online to start that engagement and that conversation. Okay, great. And we'll have more information in the show notes. If someone is listening to this podcast and it's outside of, right now they have open enrollment for the next January session, but we'll have information if people are listening to this after that open enrollment so they can stay in touch with you.
00:36:59
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Is it ever too late too for someone to consider this? We want to keep in mind that it is never too late. to focus on your cognitive health, that the brain is moldable, it's shapeable, and it will continue to grow and change in response to a challenge. So we can always focus on taking steps to add life to our years and not just years to our life.
00:37:31
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I love that so much, Gwen. Thank you for sharing your wisdom and this technology. We'll be sure to share contact information in the show notes. And I'd love to have you back. I'd love to actually maybe in the future hear from some of the participants on how this experience has been for them. And for anyone who's like me, i'm excited to become um a participant and a client with myself and my children at home. So I'll be reporting back too.
00:37:57
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Thank you so much for your time. It was a pleasure. It's a pleasure, Gwen. Thank you for joining us today. we love having these conversations and we hope they sparked something for you too. If you enjoyed this episode, please like comment and share it with your community because together we can change the way the world sees aging.
00:38:16
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