Transcript
Speaker: Welcome to Chad Tsunami. Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of Chad Tsunami. My name's Sad Tsunami and joining me to celebrate a very special collaboration, that of course being the Scottish podcast collaboration, is none other than, is it safe to say the mastermind behind
Speaker: I think that's given me too much credit. You've done amazing work. But yes, it's none other than the fantastic Dawn from Scottish Murders Podcast. So Dawn, welcome to Chatsunami. Thanks for having me on. I'm excited. So yeah, how are you doing tonight? Great. Really good. It's nice to be speaking to you.
Speaker: Yeah, no, it's great to have you on because as we were talking about before we started recording this episode, trying to align the planets to get together, to record and everything, it's just been, oh, it's been all over, hasn't it? We've been trying for a while, haven't we? But we did it, we made it.
Speaker: Yeah, we've just got like a circle of iron brew bottles that we turn that's tea cake in the middle, just trying to summon each other. Summon the sponsors. Yeah. If that's not the most Scottish image you can think of. Oh, you must mince and tatty. Then is that in there somewhere as well? No, that is true. You know, play a wee bagpipe lullaby with a hey Jimmy hat on. You got it.
Speaker: All I'm saying is, see rituals in Scotland. They must be either a blast or just absolutely horrifying to watch from a scientist's perspective. They must be thinking, what did they do? A chaotic Cayley, as they call it. Apparently so. For obvious reasons and for legal reasons, there's a look in the corner, yes. That's a joke.
Speaker: As I mentioned at the beginning, this is of course part of the Scottish Podcast Collaboration, which you yourself have been tirelessly working on. You've been inviting all sorts of Scottish podcasters. And can I just say, see before you organise this, like I have no idea, and this probably shows my ignorance, but I have no idea there were so many Scottish podcasts out there.
Speaker: No, I know, I'm the same. Everybody says that, that I've spoken to. They've made, you know, through the collaboration, they've found other podcasts they like to listen to, they've found people, you know, new friends. So yeah, it's been really good. That's all it was really about, just to make everybody more aware of each other. You know, you're not alone. Like the exiles and smart ones.
Speaker: But it's been good. Just out of curiosity though, what actually inspired you to start the collaboration? Because, I mean, this is like a good couple of months in the making. You'll find it's been six months in the making, but OK. I'm only joking. I was being more distant.
Speaker: It was because I'm part of a lot of groups on social media and most of them are American and I just see everybody helping each other, you know American ones helping each other and helping me promoting each other and I just thought well that's lovely and everything but it would be lovely to do the same thing but with Scottish podcasts and for us to promote each other because you know that's who we are when you've got your own little team.
Speaker: I just wanted to make everybody aware that, you know, Scotland have got something to show as well. We've got good podcasts too. Oh no, absolutely. And you're completely right. I was exactly the same when I was looking on Twitter and things. I was like, American, American, Canadian, American. Oh, there's an English one. American, American, American. And you keep going through them all and then you're like, you know, the Scottish, you will find like one or two maybe. But yeah, you're completely right. The majority are no offense to American podcasts. Not at all.
Speaker: Yeah, but it is. It's just the majority of them are very much American -oriented. No, it was just I wanted to sort of recreate the camaraderie that they've got over there. They're all, you know, the groups, I mean, they all help each other. They're, you know, they're all there for each other. And I thought, I want to kind of recreate that for us. So that's why I did it. And if I do say so myself, you've done a fantastic job of that. Why thank you.
Speaker: to put it modestly. Yes, I know, I'll be very modest, not at all. Yes, for the record, as you can hear by your accents, we are indeed not American, so we don't take those kind of compliments as well. No, we don't. No, it's been good. Just nice meeting people, meeting everybody like you said. I'm aware of so many more people than Scottish podcasts than I was before, I had no idea myself.
Speaker: And it's just scratching the surface as well. There's so many more out there that weren't able to be part of it this time or that we're taking a break. So yeah, there's a lot of us out there. I know, it's like the Scottish bat signal, just like there's more of us come here. There's also small businesses as well. They took part two and they are appearing on some podcasts and some other businesses gave us some of their products to sample and review and it's just all been really nice helping each other. Are there any notable ones you can tell us about?
Speaker: Well there's three of them. It was whittled down to three, sadly. Adventures Around Scotland. She's going on Scott's Way Hey podcast. She plans visits to Scotland if people want to go and visit Scotland since she does itineraries for them and she's got a blog all about where to visit so she's all about that. The Scottish Ghost Company, who myself, Scottish Murders podcast and Scottish and Scared, we did a collab together where we did a ghost hunt.
Speaker: So they hosted that for us and came along and did that. And Spellbound Keith Ness, she's got lots of spooky and spooky products and yeah she gave us some samples and said some of the girls and they were doing reviews for her so yeah it's been good. Honestly it has been fantastic just seeing how it's grown from when you started out when you were reaching out to other podcasters and I mean look at it now it's just absolutely exploded yeah.
Speaker: We're getting the Scottish Banner magazine. I don't know whether you've heard of that. It's a digital magazine and they've kindly put in an ad for the Scottish Colab as well in their magazine and it goes all over the world. So that was really kind of them to do that. Well that is softly. Shout out to them. Definitely. Yeah they're getting a shout out as well. It's like well if you haven't heard of them before you've heard of them now.
Speaker: Yeah, they do lots of things. They're just all about, you know, highlighting what goes on in Scotland. They do, you know, when the Highland Games come, they go and do that, and they just highlight all the Scottish things, all the things that are happening in Scotland for people that are abroad. So it's a good magazine. Turn and get back on your own podcasts for a second, because of course it wouldn't be a Scottish podcast collaboration without Indeeds.
Speaker: podcast. I'm just curious because of course you run a absolutely fantastic true crime podcast. I was listening to a couple today as well. It's both amazing as it is horrifying just the way you yourself recount all the details about these certain crimes and things. So I'm quite curious to hear what was it about true crime? Why did you choose that as a particular topic to be sure podcasts around? I've always been interested in crime and even when I was younger it was all it was started off
Speaker: you know things like tagarts and not real true crime you know just fictional and it just sort of evolved over the years and I listened to a lot of true crime podcasts and again it was mostly American and murders, murder whatever it is but I wanted to find out what about murders or do a podcast about murders from where I'm from where places that I know because I don't know America I've not been to America so that's why I did that but it just always yeah I've always been interested I don't know why
Speaker: It's not the gruesome part of it. I like to know everything. I'm nosy. I like to know everything. Just fascinated. Even when I was reading, when I would listen to podcasts about the true crimes, I'd go on after the episode. I'd go on and find out what I could myself. I'm just curious. So I wanted to highlight more Scottish murders.
Speaker: I mean you're completely right, with a lot of true crime podcasts especially, they always go further, and again I'm not going to name names of anyone, but they always focus on very prolific cases, murderers, or you know just in general the crime itself, they always go for the high profile ones. So it's quite nice to see that you're giving a voice to crimes that are going on of course in Scotland and
Speaker: yeah being able to highlight those as well that I don't think again that might show my ignorance about the true crime scene but I don't think a medic in podcasts would necessarily pick up on such cases for the most part you know unless it was a bit more high profile so it is definitely you know fantastic that you are highlighting these issues just kind of going off and that
Speaker: Is there a particular, and apologies if I'm putting you on the spot here, but is there a particular episode that if someone's coming into Scottish murders for the first time, is there a particular episode you would recommend or you know you would say okay start off here and then see how you go? Oh no. I know, I know, I apologize. It's payback isn't it? I asked you the same question. I know, apologies. It was too good a question.
Speaker: There's a couple for a few different reasons. The first one would be the love triangles one, the kinky cottage, because a lot of people have, for some reason, that one seems to be the most popular. You know, for people coming in, that one seems to be the one that they'll go to first. It's had a lot of listens. Another one for me was that I like, was the miscarriage of justice one about Stuart Geer. I don't really tend to get very emotional or it doesn't penetrate with me. I can just be quite impassive about it. But that one
Speaker: got to me a little bit. That was important for me, that one. And the one that I always talk about is the George Marder in Aberdeen in 1983 because that one's still unsolved and I'm actually in touch with the family members regularly and they're still trying desperately to get that solved so that one's important to me as well. So there's three I would give a go.
Speaker: No, they're definitely good choices. Like, as I said, I've been listening through them. I would say regularly because it's definitely, and maybe it's just my sensibilities, like listening to true crime, but, you know, I listen to some of them, and some of the cases you talk about are just so brutal. The aftermath, of course, the fallout of, say, crime. Is he talking about true crime itself? Do you ever feel any difficulties, like, talking about these cases in particular?
Speaker: Like I said, I don't, I'm able to, I don't mean to sound really cold, but it doesn't bother me, I can be quite standoffish on children that I can't deal with. I do very little children being murdered because that's something that I would struggle with. So I try and avoid that if I can. Some people do request them and I'll cover them, but that's not my first choice. But no, the only one that really got me was the Stewart Geer one, the miscarriage of justice. Just, it was just, that was sad, that one. But nobody else, no.
Speaker: I mean, as I said, it is quite a difficult topic and out of curiosity, and feel free to pass on this question if you want, but there's a lot of podcasts that I've seen in the past. There's a lot of people that, I mean, just going back to your podcast for a second, yours is absolutely fantastic. You give all the facts, you give a very clear narrative, your accent's fantastic, can I just say? You're reading it all out.
Speaker: You know, you do an absolutely fantastic job, but there's a lot of podcasts that I've listened to kind of on and off where, obviously, I don't want to target any in particular, but they kind of sensationalise the topic of true crime. They try to make it quite entertaining. It's probably their own word. You want people to be engaged, but at the same time, you don't want them to be missing the point.
Speaker: There's a way to tell a story, I think, to make it interesting. You don't have to. That's something I don't do. I don't sensationalise. I just tell you all the facts. I don't try not to give an opinion either because it's not what it's about. It's not about me. It's about just telling the story of the victim because they're important. That's what's important for me. You don't need to be dramatised or anything. That's not what Scottish Murderers is about. It's just telling you the story in depth as I can, giving you the facts and then it's up to you to make your decision about what you think.
Speaker: Can we go now for that, for people who might be listening and they might be thinking, oh I want to start a true crime podcast. Is there any advice like any dos or don'ts you would recommend to them? You want a lot of support so you want to reach out to people, speak to people. There's so many people in the true crime community, it's a lovely community and they'll all be there to help you and promote you and support you. Just speak to people, don't alienate yourself and don't buy expensive mics until you know what you're getting.
Speaker: you know what you're talking about because I spent money and it was the wrong one at the beginning so now I know a little bit more I'll get the right one but so don't rush it do a bit more planning that's what I would say speak to people and do a little bit more planning with your equipment
Speaker: I mean to be fair that is very good advice because I mean we were talking as well about how there are a lot of podcasters out there who, have you ever come across these types of podcasters that you get casual podcasters and then you get people who are like oh you should use like an XLR mic and you should use all the buttons and dials and it's quite intimidating when you're just starting out.
Speaker: it really is and I didn't meet the right people when I first started out so I got the wrong thing but then you get into the groups and you start to meet people and they've been doing it a lot longer than you and tell you the right thing but still a long way to go but it's getting better
Speaker: Am I right in saying that you started your podcast in 2021? Yeah, we did. July. But it was planning for a long time before that. And I said that I rushed in. I rushed in to buying equipment without knowing what I was doing. But I planned for about a year before that. So I had a lot of episodes behind me because I knew. I take a lot of time to do each episode. I don't like to be rushed because I enjoy the research. So I had a lot behind me because I knew I was going to, you know, I know how long it takes me. So I knew I had to have quite a lot behind me. So I wouldn't struggle. So there was a lot of planning went on and that side of it just not
Speaker: every side of it. What are your thoughts on, see just the podcasting community as a whole? I'm going to be honest, I think that going from something like Twitch doing myself to podcasting, I feel as if the podcasting community is so, for the majority, is just so supportive. Would you say the same? No, 100%.
Speaker: Yeah, like you've been so lucky, every group that went in, people just want to help you and support you. No matter what genre your podcast is, they're just so welcoming. Ask any questions, everything. So no, it's a really, really lovely community. So yeah, it's nice to be part of it. And I couldn't have said it better myself, to be honest.
Speaker: But that's what the true crime community is lovely. Is your one like that as well then? Because I know that obviously we don't cross as much, do we? You know, as we're different genres. But after that I don't think I've ever dipped my toes into the true crime aspect because for Chatsanami it's more of an IT podcast.
Speaker: where we talk about not always a bit like Hearted Things, but again it's about like video games, movies, you know, that kind of thing. But yeah, I know what you mean. For the most part I do think the majority of podcasters are very supportive. You do get the odd one, mind of course, don't you? You get that everywhere though. Oh aye, absolutely.
Speaker: It's quite nice to hear that the true crime community is so supportive, especially as we're saying, you obviously deal with heavy topics and real life crimes and things. It must be quite nice to know that there is a community that do support one another.
Speaker: It is and they really do, like I say, I'm in groups which is just true crime and a lot of people do struggle with the topics but they feel safe to come into the group and talk about it and say that they're struggling with their mental health because it does affect a lot of people in these kind of ways but they've got a nice safe community and they can just talk about it and get help and support and you know, get everything they need. So yeah, we're all there for each other. It's really nice.
Speaker: Honestly, that makes me really happy to hear, I have to say, because I can't imagine. I mean, obviously, as I said, we deal with a lot of relatively lighthearted topics. There's a couple of topics that might kind of go down the deep end, but to think if you're going through topics that are constantly going to be quite mature and quite depressing, do you see? Yeah, the fact you've got this network of people to support you, it's really nice to hear.
Speaker: Yeah, I'm glad I've got that. You know, it could be the opposite. It could be like, you know, you've seen us competition and they won't help each other, but it's not. They've just seen us, they all help each other and it's not competition. You're there to, you know, build each other up rather than tear each other down. So it's a lovely community. Would you say that's something that applies to like the wider podcast community, that they don't see one another as competition? Like, for example, as I was saying, with things like streaming or content creation out with podcasts, a lot of people see others and they think,
Speaker: or want to be a part of that because they're popular or oh I want to bring them down because they're more popular than me but would you say that's the opposite for podcasting? Certainly the groups that I'm in and like I say it's not just true crime groups there's lots of other genres that I'm involved with as well I've been so lucky everybody I've come across is the same there's just there's nobody that's tried to bring anybody else down it's just to build up and support and there's no oh they're better than me I don't like them or I'm jealous there's nothing
Speaker: It's like you're all just, congratulations on any achievement you have. It's just really good.
Speaker: No, that's really good to hear. Especially when you're starting out, it can be quite rough, can't it, when you're starting out in a new platform and you're thinking, oh, I'm going to put myself out there. Have you ever had that feeling where when you're just starting out and you feel, I mean, you could be the complete opposite of me, by the way, so apologies if I'm projecting here, but did you ever feel anxious when you started that you were putting yourself out there as a podcaster?
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yes, I get anxious after every - because you wouldn't, not want it to be like, but you want your episodes to be enjoyed, appreciated, you know, that the effort you've put into them. So yes, there's that. It's still, to date, every episode that goes out, I think, oh god, are they gonna like this one? Are they gonna like this one? I hope they're gonna like this one. I hope I'm gonna get likes. I still, when I get listens, I still think that today. But when I first started out, I am not very technical at all. I don't do - I didn't do social media. I had no - I didn't do anything. So when I first started out, I had to start on every platform and learn it all from nothing. And I didn't know what the hell I was doing.
Speaker: But thankfully, there was one girl who's one, one podcaster, she, I don't know, took me under her wing and she got me into every group and every, you know, everybody friended me that way. So that was really helpful. But that was, I was anxious about that because I didn't have a clue. I just didn't do social media at all. So that was really daunting. Have to know what sort of posts you do. I mean, you know, there's got to be the right, you've got to be the right size and I didn't know what the hell I was doing. So I still don't, to be honest, but. Oh, same. Yeah.
Speaker: How curiosity, like what's the social media that you found most difficult to like navigate and promote the podcast on? I started off spending a lot of time on Twitter and I'd kind of neglected Facebook and Instagram and I got a lot of traction with Twitter but then it was mainly other podcasters so I thought right I'll try something else so I tried, I moved away and went on to Instagram. So no I think if you concentrate on it and you're you know you're giving it a push it's like it's been alright on every platform really. I've just started on YouTube as well and that's going to be a slow burn I think.
Speaker: Oh yeah. So I'm not concentrating on that one, I'm just like, just put them up and leave them, put the videos up, leave them. That's as far as I've done with it. Oh no, I'm the absolute same. I've just, I use an app called, I think it's Headliner.
Speaker: where whenever you publish an episode, it automatically puts the video of the podcast onto YouTube and that's all I do really so far. I'm just like, okay, put it in this machine, post it to YouTube, just leave it nice in a corner, don't wake it up with any views.
Speaker: It's just simple, just fine. Yeah, no, I'm not the best in that. There's a couple of people I'm going to have to try a wee bit harder, I think, on social media. I'm not the best on it, but yeah, it's so time consuming, isn't it? Absolutely. Four platforms to be dealing with. Oh, God. I like just doing the talking and doing the stories. I'm not wanting to do social media.
Speaker: I wish I could find somebody that would do it for me. Oh yeah, same. But honestly, the one thing I would recommend is don't post that on Twitter because the amount of bots you'll get saying, I can promote it for you, organic reach. And you're like, does that mean? I can't wait. Oh no. I'll not do that.
Speaker: Oh no, I had totally with you because as I said when I started out streaming I had absolutely zero clue how to promote myself and then obviously like with networking and actually talking to other creators I found that's probably the best way rather than just like throwing your link out there because the amount of times I threw my link out there like for the podcast or whatever and I was like why am I not viral yet?
Speaker: It's like, where are my sponsorships? Come on. You know what, you're tapping your non -existent watch. Like, come on. Refresh, refresh. Still, actually. And then it's like one like from, I don't know, like user. And then it's all these numbers. They're like, oh yeah, this is making the big numbers.
Speaker: After that, the worst one I've come across and I don't know if you've gone into the world of TikTok. No, I haven't. I can't do another one. I just can't. Don't make me.
Speaker: I honestly wouldn't blame you for that one because would you believe I put up a really stupid video. It was like some meme that was going around and it got a ridiculous amount of views and I thought, oh, that's absolutely fantastic. But then I realised two crucial things. The first thing was I didn't put a watermark on it, so nobody knew it came from Chatsanami unless they read the name underneath. And the second thing was, yeah, it was nothing to do with the podcast.
Speaker: So all the clips I upload to all of the podcasts, it's like, oh yeah, it'll be a couple of views. Anything to do with a meme or anything like that, everyone goes, oh yeah, this is amazing. This is high quality content. And you're like, really? Have you found out with Twitter as a particular post or anything you put up where you think, that's what people are liking and not your content?
Speaker: No, I haven't gone viral at all. My posts are boring. I don't do anything like that. I just do episodes coming out. This episode's now out. Don't forget this episode is now out. That's about what I get. That's about the extent of my posts. Please listen to the episode. Have you listened to it? Don't forget to listen to it.
Speaker: It's like, come on, just poking people, come on, it's a good podcast, I swear. Totally, it's the fear though, seeing when people are like, oh yeah, we've got this other social media app that we're going to start up and you're like, I don't want it.
Speaker: No, I don't want... I wouldn't know everybody was panicking about Twitter because of what was happening. And I was secretly like, yes, one less. And then my husband says, man, we'll just start up another one thinking of bringing about, oh, I don't want to know. I mean, see, at this rate, I wouldn't be surprised if people started bringing back Bebo or MySpace or I feel as if that's a very Eurocentric thing, Bebo, because the amount of Americans have told that and they go, what's a Bebo? And I'm like, you can't be serious.
Speaker: It's like, come on, show my age there. But it's true though, you think, oh god, if the most popular apps like Twitter or Instagram, if they go down, then it's like, well, what now? Because YouTube is very, as you were alluding to, is it very hard to like get yourself noticed on YouTube? Do you feel that way?
Speaker: Honestly, I haven't tried. I haven't even told anybody. I'm on YouTube now. I'm not promoted anywhere. Is that an exclusive? Yes, I haven't said a word. I'm not ready for it. See, you'll go to bed one night and then you'll wake up and that'll just be an overnight sensation.
Speaker: See, if you want faith in your content, my advice would definitely be to look at some of the TikTok videos and YouTube shorts that get viral. Because you watch it, you go, what the hell is this? Why is it so? Why has it got tens of millions of views? And then you think, well, if a piece of bread falling to dramatic music can get a
Speaker: 100 million views. I mean, literally, there was a thing YouTube was promoting, and I've got no idea who these people are, neither. Don't get me wrong, they're not wishing a will on them or anything. But they literally held these felt pins in the hands, ran it under water, and then they made a shocked face, and it got a million views. So all I'm saying is, if that's popular, there's hope. There's hope, exactly. That's the hope I'm clinging on to. I'm like, please, just this once.
Speaker: Oh, do you know, I couldn't sit and think of things like, what can we do? What a little funny thing can we do? Imagine how much time have we got in our hands to think, right, okay, let's... What about if we got these pens and put them in... Who thinks of that?
Speaker: when you're factoring day jobs and having to cook dinners and you're like, this, no. Maybe that's just a Scottish thing, like a mannequin to come up with like, oh, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do that. It's like, I'm too tired after work. I'm like, I barely got enough energy sometimes to record an episode. I'm like, you're expecting me to buy like these pages. Oh no, you expect me to go off the couch and do something after a long day work? No, no, no, I couldn't be doing that.
Speaker: I've done that before where I'll be watching TV with my partner and we'll just be watching it and then I'll turn around turn I'll say oh right okay after this I'll go upstairs I'll be productive I'll you know do something and then I'll wake up at like one in the morning
Speaker: And I'm like, sleeping beside her and like a puppy is there, snorting her wee head off. And I'm like, I have not edited. I should have been editing. I know, but you've got to be in the mood. You've got to be in the mood, haven't you? Try and force yourself to do that is misery.
Speaker: Have you ever felt like that though? It's quite trical. It really is. The amount of videos that I've edited, and I think this is quite funny to do because it's very visual and everything, but see when you're editing podcasts, you're just looking at peaks and valleys. I don't know.
Speaker: I know, it's a hard slog sometimes. But yes, no, see I'm like, you, I like visual as well. Put me on Canva and I can just sit and play about for hours and quite happily do videos or this and that. But then put me in front of Audacity. No!
Speaker: And honestly, it makes you want to pay for an editor. It does, it does. And then I remember I've got to pay and I'm like, no. I have to admit, I've been tempted and I'll have a look at some of them and then I see the price and the Scottishness kicks in and I'm like,
Speaker: Nah. It's like you're probably more than worth your weight in gold here, but I'm not paying like over a hundred for an hour's worth of aid. Usually they pay by, or they charge it by the hour and you think, yeah, a gap for Britain.
Speaker: There's no way I'm emptying out my savings just for one episode. And again, I don't want to undervalue all my agitors because they do a fantastic job. But I'm like, yeah, this. Not yet. We'll get there. As you said, when we get that Ayam Brew slash Tannux Tea Cakes money. We'll be laughing then. I don't know if they're actually on Twitter. I don't know actually. I think Ayam Brew are, but Tannux are very elusive.
Speaker: Oh, aren't they? That's the one to get then. You want them, don't you? You'll be going up to one of the castles like Yolanda or something. Just the CEO waiting for you. I say as I look at the tourniquet cushion I've got in the background. Oh, have you? That's me. Is that not a bit cruel? It's just a cushion. Do you not want the real thing? Yeah, it is like a thing of penance. It's like it reminds me. If I keep working hard and I can afford a real tourniquet.
Speaker: saving my coppers like I'm all over twist.
Speaker: it's not that bad. I know it's not. I was going to say at least we can get them out of Aldi or something but I don't actually think they sell them. It's only like Morrisons and Tesco's. Is it? That's actually what I'm surprised at and honestly feel free to correct me here but do Aldi and Lidl by extension, do they have their own versions of them? Honestly I don't know. It's been a long time since I've been in either of them. Sorry that's nothing to do with podcasts. No honestly I don't know.
Speaker: It's just it kind of realises they've got their Mars bars, their Milky Ways and things, but no. Maybe they just think there's no way we can replicate that. That is true, that is true. I mean, Marx and Spencer's tried it and they're just... Did they? Oh, they're very marshmallowy. You know that way when you bite into a tonic steak cake and it just melts in your mouth. Yeah, it does, doesn't it? Yeah, whereas you bite into the ones in Marx and Spencer's and this is like you're thinking years back to better times.
Speaker: you bite into them and it's like, you know, you get resistance, so you're like, this is just that marshmallow and chocolate with a wee bit of tote biscuit, yeah. Aww, don't, let's not stop talking about that now. Yeah. Making me hungry. Exactly. That's probably a good place to end the show. Don, honestly, thank you so much for coming on. It's been an absolute pleasure having you on.
Speaker: It's been fun, I've enjoyed it. So before we finish up, where can these lovely listeners at home find your content? You can find it on wherever they get their podcasts, but you can get everything at scottishmergers .com. Everything's there, so visit it!
Speaker: I would say that is an absolutely fantastic A, fantastic website and B, absolutely fantastic podcast. So if you're not checking that out, what are you doing? I'll pay you later. All right. I know. Yeah, I'm still waiting. I was going to say, will you coincide with the Royal Mail strike? Oh, no, a strike. How awful.
Speaker: What a shame. I know. I'll keep my eye out on those scam takes you get where it's like, your parcel is here, so just spend about £100 to get it out the warehouse. It's like, what are you on about? This is not turnip steak eggs done. Oh, as always, guys, thank you all so, so much for listening to this episode. As always, stay safe, stay awesome and most importantly, stay hydrated with a turnip steak egg.
