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The Cornetto Trilogy
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Welcome to Season 2 of Chatsunami! In this episode, Fraser (Satsunami) and Adam tackle the beloved Cornetto Trilogy composed of Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz and The World's End. Are these films still as good today? What is the best and the worst of the trio? Without any further ado, let's find out!
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Introduction to the Season and Hosts
00:00:05
Speaker
Welcome to Chatsunami.
00:00:17
Speaker
Hello everybody and welcome to Season 2 of Chad Tsunami. I'm Sad Tsunami and joining me today for this, quite frankly, glorious episode is my very good friend Adam. Welcome back for another season. Morning angle. Hello, hello. It's good to be back, back in the studio, ready to go.
Teasing the Cornetto Trilogy Discussion
00:00:38
Speaker
Yeah, I was just going to say before we started, you might want to go home and change because, you know, you've got a bit of red on you.
00:00:46
Speaker
and as you can tell by those very subtle references I was gonna say can you tell like you know we're referencing the first two films and not the third one you might say I'm drawing a blank on the third one ah there it is see there it is so yeah by those very subtle references as you can tell we are indeed going to be covering a very iconic trilogy that is near and dear to our hearts
00:01:11
Speaker
Oh, no doubt. No doubt. I'm quite curious. What was your first exposure? So, sorry, before I go on, I'd better introduce the films themselves, because I'm like, oh, what's the mystery? What's it going to be? Yeah. It's like at the end, it's going to be revealed to be like a Citizen Kane retrospective. Or Neto. Or Neto.
Overview of the Cornetto Trilogy Films
00:01:35
Speaker
So yeah, today we are gonna be talking about... I don't know if this is the official term, because I know, like, unofficially they've got cornetos in them, representing, like, the different genres, but it's dubbed as the Cornetto Trilogy, which is composed of three films, Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, and last, I was gonna say, but not least, but we'll get there, The World's End. They're basically parodies, aren't they, of their respective genres.
00:02:01
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, they're all genre parodies, as you say. So we've got Shaun of the Dead, which is probably the most obvious out the three, of course being a parody of horror films and basically zombie films, you know, Dawn of the Dead, Shaun of the Dead. We've got Hot Fuzz as well, which is a kind of parody of action films. And then we've got The World's End, which I have to admit, like, personally, I can't really tell, but I don't know if you could, that it is a sci-fi one.
Shaun of the Dead: Impact and School Anecdotes
00:02:28
Speaker
I mean, they were kind of building up to that, mind you.
00:02:30
Speaker
But I mean, by the title alone, if you heard World's End, would you assume that it was like a sci-fi epic? You'd think more like a disaster film, wouldn't you? You'd maybe say something like that, rather than a sci-fi kind of one. It is an interesting name. At least it's better than... So I'll briefly touch on this, because it feels as if we have to address the elephant in the room. Or, as I described it to you earlier, the stoner comedy in the room. That of course being Paul. I think it was about 2011. I'm just... yeah. 2011.
00:02:59
Speaker
Everybody had been waiting for the third instalment of this trilogy. So we had Shaun of the Dead which came out to very positive praise. Then we had Hot Fuzz which was honestly I looked up the reviews and I thought Hot Fuzz was going to be considered to be like better but I think Shaun of the Dead rating wise is actually considered to be the highest in the trilogy.
00:03:20
Speaker
Oh that's interesting. Yeah, not by much, I think it's by like a couple of percent, but it's like Shaun of the Dead, then it's Hot Fuzz Behind and then I think Lord's End is just underneath. I can't believe like the age gap for these films. So Shaun of the Dead came out in 2004, which my god. I can't believe that to be honest, that was a shock when you reminded me.
00:03:41
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I was still in school at the time, which kinda shown my age there, but you know what it is. Absolutely. In fact, we were both in school, of course. We were young whippersnappers at that point, no? We were young, we didn't know what the world would hold for us, and then Burdemic came out, and that just ruined everything. But anyway, Burdemic aside, yeah, 2004 was when Shaun and the Dead came out. Was this film popular in your school? Like, were there a lot of kids going around quoting the film?
00:04:10
Speaker
It was like, it was, that's where I first heard about this was at school. I remember a lot of people in my, I remember a lot of people in my class, quoting one particular line, the good old fucker doodle doodle. That was one that was very popular in 2004 in my, in my class. Yeah.
00:04:26
Speaker
can't remember when I saw this but I think it was like years later and I just remember that line like being said in the film. So do you remember MSN messenger?
Hot Fuzz: Cultural Impact and High School Memories
00:04:36
Speaker
Oh who could forget? And do you remember how you had like a status underneath where you could put like a message or a quote or something like that? Do you ever remember that? I think I remember
00:04:45
Speaker
yeah it was kind of like the subject line let's just say of MSN and I remember like as a joke I put a toodle do there like you know thinking hahaha you know swear word funny and I remember one time I don't know why but like I was checking my emails or something and I think my dad was like over my shoulder and I remember him looking and he was like what's that
00:05:10
Speaker
And I was like... Yeah, that was the sounds I made. I couldn't shrink together a coherent excuse. I was just like... Yes, Shaun of the Dead corrupted my youthful mind. Tell the press.
00:05:29
Speaker
Yeah, I mean I remember people in my school kinda talking about it But I think the one that made the most impact was hot fuzz by a long shot. Yeah, I'd probably agree with you on that one. I was in high school at the time hot fuzz came out But yeah, like I think well, I think it's more because we were of that age that like we could legally see hot fuzz. Yeah
00:05:48
Speaker
like in the way that we couldn't legally see, well I couldn't legally see Shaun of the Dead because it was like a 15 I think and you know I was under 15 the time it came out but because I was able to see Hot Fuzz and cinema and what my peer group were able to yeah I would agree it probably did make more of an impact and I mean by the time the World's End came out that was 2013 so Shaun of the Dead's fantastic you know reception Hot Fuzz even better you know everyone was expecting the third film and then Paul came out and it was just
00:06:17
Speaker
like everybody thought oh it was going to be the third film in the trilogy and turns out it wasn't it was just a supposed coincidence or just that they were doing this yeah in 2011 they were going to do this sci-fi film and you're like oh great I did not care for Paul I've only seen bits of it and as I said it just comes across as more of that stoner comedy than a something good
00:06:42
Speaker
I feel as far as to say that I actively hate
Comparison of Paul and Anticipation for The World's End
00:06:45
Speaker
Paul. I can agree with that standpoint, and I apologise for anybody who is like pro-Paul. Other opinions are available, but you're wrong. I'll have you all out.
00:06:56
Speaker
Yeah, which then brings us on to the world's end. In the world's end, I don't remember there being much of a buzz about it. I remember people like hyping up saying oh it's gonna be the third one, it's gonna be like a sci-fi thriller and see after it came out. I don't remember anybody like quoting it or anything. Like I was in University at the time.
00:07:16
Speaker
but I never heard anybody really quoting it or saying much about it. I went to the cinema with someone who absolutely hates sci-fi, so that kind of sullied my experience.
00:07:33
Speaker
Imagine coming out with someone who really hates sci-fi and then ranting about it for about 20 to 30 minutes in the car. It was out of... That's the same experience you wanted. Oh yeah, it was fantastic. And we will get on to our in-depth thoughts about it. But it is safe to assume that your favourite of the series is Shaun of the Dead. Yeah, far and away that is. It's one of my favourite films of all time. I think it's a masterpiece.
00:08:00
Speaker
I have to admit, I'm gonna get this out of the way quickly before we dive into the main meat of this. Shaun of the Dead, when I first saw it, I really didn't appreciate it. I really didn't like it as much, but going back and rewatching it, I found it a lot funnier in retrospect. Hot Flaz has always been a favourite.
00:08:19
Speaker
Yeah, for me, I'm totally in Team Hot Fuzz here, which will be quite interesting going forward in this episode, but I think we both agree that the world's end for the most part.
Shaun of the Dead: Structure and Humor Analysis
00:08:30
Speaker
I think, what was it we said before that it's always the bridesmaid and never the bride? Because you don't really hear many people, like I have heard a couple of people say, oh my favourite was the world's end, but that's definitely a few and far between.
00:08:50
Speaker
I did see some comments on videos but I don't know if they're just Russian bots that have been paid by Edgar Wright to promote the world's end, you know? Or blanks, you know? That would have been the funnier joke.
00:09:06
Speaker
So yeah in this episode we are going to be going through each one one by one just discussing what we liked about each film and yeah seeing if they still hold up in this lovely year of 2021 also known as the fallout of 2020. Before we begin we are going to play off just a couple of messages but even before that do you want anything from the shop Adam? Cornetto.
00:09:33
Speaker
Welcome to Chatsunami, a variety podcast that talks about topics, from gaming and films to streaming in general interest. Previously on Chatsunami, we discussed Game of the Decade, Deadly Premonition, the romantic thriller, Birdemic, and listened to us get all sappy as we discuss our top five Christmas films. If that sounds like your cup of tea, then you can find us an anchor, Spotify, YouTube, and opiate podcast apps. As always, stay safe, stay awesome, and most importantly, stay hydrated.
00:10:05
Speaker
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00:10:40
Speaker
It would be criminal if we didn't start this discussion in order. Because this is your favourite film, Adam, I'm gonna let you kick off with Shaun of the Dead.
00:10:48
Speaker
I simply, simply adore this film. As I said in the intro, it's one of my favorite films of all time, and I genuinely think it might be perfect. I can't think of a single thing that would want to change on it. And there's like three, I was trying to think like, why do I love this film so much? And I distilled it down to like three main points. So I'll go through them. Number one is how the film is structured.
00:11:11
Speaker
I just think the structure of this film is so amazing, it's so tight and I love how everything is linked together and how there's so many things like on repeat viewings you can watch and you're like, oh that's like pointing to that and you know that comes back there and everything just in the lines people say, in the way actions play out, events and everything and it's really, it feels like out of the three of them, the most kind of Edgar Wright-esque
00:11:36
Speaker
So for those who don't know, the director of these three films was Edgar Wright, who's also done Baby Driver. Is it called Baby Driver, I think? Yeah, I was actually surprised he directed that, because he was looking up a list of films and I was like, oh my god, he directed that? Yeah, no, he was also originally done with the Ant-Man film, I think he wrote most of it. He didn't actually end up directing it in the end,
00:11:58
Speaker
but he was attached to that for a while. He's also quite famous in the UK for doing a TV show called Spaced, which was like in the early 2000s. It was before Shaun of the Dead and also starred Simon Pegg and Nick Frost and sort of a way that I think that's how the three of them kind of like came to work together. And this Shaun of the Dead has so much of that Edgar Wright styling just in the way there's lots of fast cuts and kind of like
00:12:21
Speaker
Yeah, just lots of things, lots of those kind of stylings that he has, and he carried that on into the show in the dead. And I just think the film holds together so well. And I remember when I fell in love with this film, I watched, but I would watch this, like, repeatedly. And I never get bored of that. I could watch this film, like, I think I'd watch it on a 24-hour loop. I don't think I'd get bored.
00:12:37
Speaker
because it's just such a fast-paced film, and it's so funny. And that brings me on to my second point, that the humour in this film, just, I think, just every single line hits, like, it's just so good, and, like, all the characters, like, they all have their quirks and the humour all combined, so you've got, like, you've got, like, Sean, who's that kind of slacker, like, kind of drifting through life, and then you've got his best friend, Ed, who's, like, the kind of stoner, like, layabout, and Ed is just, like, lying, just doesn't care about anything. His uptight flatmate,
00:13:06
Speaker
Like Sean's girlfriend who's like trying to like kind of move their life along and then her like kind of wacky flatmates and then Sean's mum. All these unique characters all bring these like different elements of humour together and the lines are just so quickly. We just talked about fuck a doodle doodle is one.
00:13:23
Speaker
I think the real reason that I love this film is just its heart and I think it has actually like a real like emotional like resonance to its core and it's something that resonates with me more and more now. So basically this film is about a man who's basically in a midlife crisis and zombie movies are at their best when the zombies are used
00:13:49
Speaker
like as an allegory for something. So in like the first George A. Romero zombie film, who's a famous horror director who kind of started the Kickstarter, the kind of zombie film trend, and his first one called Night of the Living Dead. The zombies are, it's kind, it's an allegory for racism, basically in this discussion of race. The famous one Dawn of the Dead, which takes place in the shopping mall, is basically a critique of capitalism.
00:14:10
Speaker
And there was also, there was a Cuban zombie film from a few years back, whose name I can't remember, but the zombies were used to kind of critique the state of like Cuban healthcare at the time. And so like, for me, zombies are the best when they are used to this kind of social message thing. And this film is about a man going through a midlife crisis.
00:14:25
Speaker
and the zombies basically represent, you know, the problems that are, like, besetting him and the fact that he's stuck in his ways, like, and he just can't, he can't move on, and his girlfriend is, like, prompting him to be like, what, when are we gonna, like, when is our life gonna start? But he just can't, he almost wants to, but he can't, he just can't, like, push himself forward. And for me, like I said, this just resonates so strongly with me now, because I'm, I'm 29 years old, which is the same age that the character of Shaun is in this film.
00:14:50
Speaker
Yeah, I was surprised at that, by the way. Sorry Tinta Jax, but as soon as I heard him say that to the young boy that he's working with, he says, hey, I'm only 29. And I was like, oh Jesus Christ. I've also been in a relationship for three years as a girlfriend. I've also been in a long-term relationship for three years. And I feel like I'm at that point as well where I feel I'm entering a new stage in my life. You know, it's scary and everything. And you're looking back and you're like, oh God, am I ready to move?
00:15:17
Speaker
on you know everything so it's just a film that resonates so strongly with me and it's really a film about a guy like a person just trying to move on in their life but not like lose who they are and in the way that's what he that's what he's able to do by the end of the film and I just I find it a kind of really uplift as for as much like death and destruction as there is in the film and like humor and you know like humor both light and dark
00:15:38
Speaker
I just find it an uplifting film about like, you know, overcoming like your worries and your fears and your demons to just be like, you know, just to have a full and happy life. And I did for me, like I said, that's what really draws me to this film is just that I just relate. So I find Sean the most relatable character of like the three main protagonists of these three films. He's the one I identify the most with. And so that just becomes more, that's just become stronger and stronger, like the older I get, you know, to the age I'm at now, just
00:16:06
Speaker
watching it and so it just draws me to the film and I just I just think it's a masterpiece just at every level there's nothing I can really critique about this film I just think it's I just think it's the tops well let me tell you why I think it's the worst of the trip normal again no no no no no no we're saving that line for later but no I totally agree with you
00:16:27
Speaker
I feel as if, as I said in the intro, I really didn't like Shaun of the Dead the first time I saw it. I like certain bits, like obviously all of Simon Pegg's stuff, but at the same time it's because at the time I wasn't really a horror fan. I still wouldn't consider myself like a fan of horror films, but to be honest, Shaun of the Dead isn't really much of a horror film is it? Even as a parody, except for like a handful of scenes like people getting their guts ripped out of them.
00:16:52
Speaker
that was a bit brutal but like other than that it's quite tame in comparison to some films nowadays where yeah there's blood and yeah blood got some ice cream everywhere you know but I have to admit like going back to when you're older and seeing these problems that are a little bit more as you said they're a bit more relatable yeah I totally agree with you
00:17:15
Speaker
Because it's something I never really thought about when I first saw the film, and then I always remember going back and watching it, and someone they brought up the point of, or rather the character development. There's almost an opposite thing going on.
00:17:31
Speaker
between Sean and his, oh what's his, Liz, that's it, his girlfriend Liz, who Liz at the beginning starts off as this woman who is, you know, she wants to see the world, she wants to do this and that, you know, Carp DM and everything.
00:17:46
Speaker
Yeah, it is interesting the character development of Liz kind of going in parallel to Sean and I did think that was really cool. I did like that, you know, that she's not that she's accepting not to do anything, you know, but she's kind of realising that sometimes you can just take life quite slow and as she said it's like Sean's trying to find himself and trying to find that kind of purpose.
00:18:12
Speaker
And again, we could honestly deep dive, which I think in the future we probably should, because these films, we could talk for ages on these. But overall, yeah, I do agree. It's definitely a strong start to the series, and I do think it's definitely a film that you have to kind of go back on and rewatch, maybe, once or twice. I wouldn't say right away, but definitely for me, and did you feel the same way as well when you first saw this film?
00:18:38
Speaker
Yeah, no, I also didn't didn't like it when I first saw it because I first saw it just I think the year after it came out. So I just don't think again, I wasn't really a horror. I'm not really a horror movie fan either. Now, it's it's it's not that that attracts me to showing the dead. It's it is like it's both the humor and like the kind of emotional core to it. But yeah, I also didn't really get it. And it was going back watching it kind of years later in my kind of later teens that I was like, wow, this is this is amazing. And I yeah.
00:19:06
Speaker
I don't exactly want to end this section on a negative note, but was there anything that you didn't like about this film? Honestly, like, honestly there's nothing. I honestly think this is a perfect film. I was trying to think if there's anything that, uh, no. No. No, I wouldn't change a single thing about this film. It's the perfect length, like the characters, I just don't need anything else, the characters, I think they're all perfect. The humour is great, the scenes hold up.
00:19:32
Speaker
Do you know what the thing I find about this film is so funny? You tell it, because you were saying it came out in 2004. This doesn't feel like an old film to me. Yeah, no, it feels like a film that could have been released like a year ago. Honestly, I feel like it's one of these almost like timeless, I don't know, like 50 years down the line, it'll feel dated. But to me, this doesn't feel dated in the slightest.
00:19:52
Speaker
I mean, technically maybe the phones they're using, but even then. That's like... Right, it's working in pubs as well as maybe the one thing that dates it as well, but yeah. But even then, yeah, it's... Yeah, I'm just trying to think as well. I don't think there's really much you can criticize. I mean, you know, there'll probably be like one or two definite things where it's like, oh, they could have used this shade of red for the blood, or they could have done this. But in all seriousness, it is definitely a film that I think kind of matures, like a fine zombie wind, you know?
00:20:22
Speaker
It's definitely the one that you would start people off with, and funny you should say that because I was actually watching this film, when I was rewatching these for this episode, I was rewatching with someone who actually hasn't seen these films at all. She turned round to me and she said, oh, are these old films? And I was like, no, no, they're like, maybe a push like 2006, you know, but I'm sure they'll later on. And then I looked up the date and they said 2004. I was like, oh, yeah.
00:20:52
Speaker
Okay, maybe. Maybe it is a little bit old, but I do agree. It holds up spectacularly. It really does.
Hot Fuzz: Plot and Genre Parody
00:21:00
Speaker
Speaking of films that do hold up, will we move on to the next one?
00:21:07
Speaker
Oh, right, okay. So this is gonna be another, like, speedrun of this plot, but my god, I probably feel about this film the same way you do about Shaun of the Dead, because this film, I can't remember when I saw it, but I think I saw it probably towards the end of High School. So this film came out in about 2007, and it follows the character of Nicholas Angel, or Angle, as the papers call him.
00:21:30
Speaker
is a police officer in London and he's very multi-talented in martial arts and everything and keeping the streets safe and he does such a good job that the police send him away to this very quaint, sleepy country town called Stanford and while he's there, it's meant to be like a very boring post. There's not much going on. He spends his days dealing with people who hate him because he's from the city
00:21:59
Speaker
and those that don't hate him are quite eccentric and then eventually it spirals and he realises that this sleepy town isn't all it's cracked up to be and there's like a darker side to it. It's definitely something that I don't think you can kind of tell going into this film. You know that it's going to be quite gory because I mean it's not
00:22:18
Speaker
overly gory but I mean a man does get his head like crushed by a church roof yeah maybe and the guy gets gutted so yeah that is a little bit gory but that's not something you expect is he going into this you think oh it's going to be a parody of action films and some of the violence is so over the top but I think that goes kind of part and parcel with the genre of action films yeah I just love this film I think it is the humor much like Shaun of the Dead the humor just hits
00:22:47
Speaker
every single time the writing is so tightly knit. I think this is the longest film that they worked on in the trilogy. Well sorry, Technically Second. I think they worked on this for 18 months because I think Technically World's End was an idea that Edgar Wright
00:23:06
Speaker
I don't know if Simon Peake as well but I think it was Edgar Wright mainly had the idea at 21 but for Hot Fuzz they worked really extensively on the writing and my god it just shows it really shows I love it like honestly if it was a person I would ask it to marry me and it would be far out my league. I feel as if
00:23:26
Speaker
probably the most apt description of this film is the Chekhov's gun of films. But it's basically, if you put an item out on the wall, for example Chekhov's gun, you're gonna expect it to be used by the end. And it feels as if everything in this film is a Chekhov's gun, because they set up everything
00:23:48
Speaker
some lines where it's like, oh you just think it's a throwaway line but they just tie it back so perfectly. Like there's a scene at the beginning they're talking about gun control or something and Simon Peck's character basically says who owns guns around here and one of the police officers flippantly says farmers and he asks again he says and who else and he says farmers mums and
00:24:12
Speaker
and then later on you get a scene where Abe like hits a farmer who's like calling out for his mum and the mum has a shotgun and it's like really kind of small scenes like that that just oh they just hit so well and again a
00:24:27
Speaker
Although he's a bit more competent, Nick Frost plays the kind of bumbling police officer as well who's like his sidekick and kind of teaches him to loosen up a bit because the whole point of this film is that Simon Peay's character is Marity's job and he keeps
00:24:46
Speaker
you know, he will not shut off and it's caused him to alienate himself from his loved ones, he's split up with his girlfriend, gets sent away and his colleagues can't wait to get rid of him, you know, and then eventually finds this friendship in Nick Frost's character. It's just so well done, like...
00:25:05
Speaker
I honestly like I'm in the same boat like I could go on and praise this film for probably a good river but yeah genuinely so let's do it no I'm joking but yeah when I first saw this film I was blown away at how funny it was how utterly fantastic the humor was the characters as well are so memorable I mean Timothy Dalton in this film is he is like the red
00:25:30
Speaker
hearing of the film. I'm not going to spoil the ending too much but yeah because it's for the greater good but yeah the ending is fantastic. The twist and you know who's causing the murders and things. One of the best I've ever seen. That's all I'm gonna say but by far one of the best movie twists I've ever seen and the actions great and everything. I will say it kind of gets a bit boss to the walk crazy towards the end but you know what see other than that I would say this is a solid film.
00:26:00
Speaker
This is a film I could definitely go back and rewatch over and over again and just not get tired by the comedy, by the action. It is just great. It's absolutely fantastic. Would you say this is your second favourite then, if it's not your favourite? I'll save my ranking until the end of the episode.
00:26:20
Speaker
I totally agree with most of what you said there. I think there's a strong argument to make this is the funniest of the three. The humour is so sharp in this one and the jokes hit so well. I think you can well argue this is the funniest.
00:26:35
Speaker
I totally agree with you as well. I think it's a really well crafted mystery because it does keep you guessing, you know, right until the end until you find it. And I think it is such a great payoff, as you say, like a good twist. And yeah, like Timothy Dalton, like definitely my favorite character out of any of these three films.
00:26:52
Speaker
Timothy Dalton. Timothy Dalton's Simon Skinner is just, oh, he's on top for him and he shows why he's one of the greatest actors ever. I love Timothy Dalton. Again, I feel like I'm gonna have to throw a criticism. This is, can I just say, any criticisms I'm gonna throw against any of these three films are pure nitpicks. For me, there's nothing majorly wrong with any of these three films, especially Hot Fuzz. There's nothing I can point at and be like, oh, that's a big fault with that one.
00:27:18
Speaker
If I'm going to pick a small fault, this is a subjective thing, so this might not even really be a fault, it's just for me. I find Nicholas Angel the least relatable of the three protagonists. I'm not different that way, I'd agree with that. I'm not that personality type, but I can totally see, if you are somebody of that personality type who's really wedded to their job and everything and can relate to a lot of those struggles, and I can totally see how he is a really relatable character, it's just that's not who I am.
00:27:47
Speaker
You know, I don't have that amazing work ethic and everything. I can't relate as long as I don't have that same emotional attachment to it that I do to something like Shaun the Dead. So that's really the only thing I can throw at it. But even then, that's a subjective thing. That's not really a general criticism of it. Because this film is amazing as well. It's so good. It's so funny. It's so watchable. Yeah, it's a blast.
00:28:11
Speaker
No, I totally agree with that because I was thinking back to what you were saying about Shaun and the dead there when you were saying about how Shaun is like this middle age because we are the same age. We're not going into that rabbit hole. He is a young man.
00:28:28
Speaker
an averagely aged man who is going through, as you said, this kind of life crisis and he's setting these ways and everything and apparently this is like semi based on truth where I think Nick Frost and Simon Pegg went to the pub a lot but Edgar Wright actually didn't want to go so like this stuff with the Winchester is like loosely based on that
00:28:51
Speaker
Yeah, apparently, which I thought was pretty funny. I have to admit, I thought, okay, that's quite clever. He's definitely the most awaitable, I would say, out of the three of them. I think in terms of if you take it as like an action parody, he's like a good parody of, you know, the old action film stars you get that they're trained in kung fu and all of these martial arts and they're very deductive skills. They're like Sherlock. It's like he's maxed out all his stats. That's what I'm saying.
00:29:20
Speaker
But I totally agree, as a character, I don't think many of the characters in Hot Fuzz are that relatable. There are a couple of instances, but I do agree. I just wanted to say, yeah, I totally agree with what you're saying there. I feel as if it is definitely one that, I think it definitely works, but I do agree with that. It doesn't detract from it though. The thing you said doesn't detract from the film at all. It's still an amazing film and it's still a masterpiece in its own right as well.
00:29:49
Speaker
And I mean, as I said, the attention to detail. I think that this is, I'm gonna bring it up now, but I think this is something that they carry through all three of the films. Just this attention to detail of having like a callback. Yeah. Like, they'll set up something earlier.
00:30:04
Speaker
You know, like, I think the most iconic in Shaun of the Dead is when he's walking through the neighbourhood, and you know, it's the kid playing with the football, and it's the guy washing his car, and then they cut back to that scene later, and it's, like, the same, but, well, not the same, but the streets are deserted, but then those characters come back as zombies. There's lots of, there's also, like, the, you know, when Ed's playing, like, I think, actually, Ed's playing Timesplitter's tooth. Oh, yeah. He's playing that, he's like, oh, top left, reload, you know what I'm saying? Oh, yeah.
00:30:33
Speaker
that gets called back to when they have the gun and they're trying to defend themselves in the Winchester is that exact same thing. So there's a lot of those and I think Sean did have the most of those probably but all the films have that as you say. Oh yeah because I mean even in Hope Fuzz as I said there's the farmer's mother coming, there's a scene like earlier on where they're doing like this like deduction where they're like what about that guy, why does he have a long coat in this weather and he's like oh maybe he's cold, what about them, why they walking like that you know but
00:31:01
Speaker
really like the row away comments and things and then all of a sudden they come back later on and you're like ah that's why. I think the most famous one is definite with the swan which surprisingly comes in very handy at the end of the film which you think again it's like this running joke of oh they have to catch a swan and they can't catch it and eventually yeah I won't spoil it but I would say by far this is my favorite of them and maybe that says a lot more for me but
00:31:31
Speaker
Again, I think Shaun of the Dead is a fantastic film as well. I think it's very close. Apparently though, the police were very happy about the portrayal in this film. Yeah, like they were just happy that there was like a kind of positive film that, or not a positive, but like a kind of funny film.
00:31:46
Speaker
There was like because they went and interviewed like a lot of police officers or sorry Simon Pegg went and interviewed a lot of police officers to yeah just like get not experience but just kind of learn what it was like and everything and it does kind of show like it doesn't feel as if he's you know one of these American cop dramas where it's like oh my god we got a 1082 on a
00:32:08
Speaker
five AP and you're like that's just numbers and letters and that's just gibberish but you do feel as if he's definitely he's read up on it and everything and I will say there is only one scene and I wonder if you can help me with this by the way there's one scene towards the end when they're having this shootout and the school kids run into the shop what happens to that person in the shop
00:32:32
Speaker
she doesn't die here at the end yeah that's also something that i i've thought about a lot yeah no sorry it's just to quickly explain but it's like there's a scene where there's a shootout and someone's like in this um like this shop but they're in the top window and they're like trying to snipe simon peggies who's hiding behind this fountain
00:32:53
Speaker
And Simon Pike does this thing where he like whistles at these like youths that are standing there and they all run into the shop and there's like a sign on the door that says one child, like one child at a time or something and they all run in at the same time and then it like snaps to her and she like kind of screams as she like gets pulled away from the window and I'm like was it the kids that pulled her away from the window? Was it the fact there was more than one child in the shop? Like no one must go down!
00:33:22
Speaker
Like, it's literally the only scene I still think about and go, what's up with that? And considering how this film ends with a bombastic finale, I just don't get it, but that's the only kind of nitpicky thing I would say. But otherwise, yeah, I love it. 10 out of 10, I would buy a Japanese piece of lolly any time.
The World's End: Plot and Themes
00:33:41
Speaker
That's what I'm getting you for your birthday next year. And yeah, that brings us on to the third film, of course, being The World's End. Do you want to take the lead on this one?
00:33:52
Speaker
Okay, I'll try and... I'll try and... This was the last of the trilogy, and so the World's End centres on this character called Gary King, played by Simon Pegg, who's basically a man who is trapped, who kind of reached his... He reached his peak at the end of high school, where he was like one of the most popular kids and, you know, like the world was like his oyster and, you know, like he was just... He was having like time of his life and carefree and everything and he had this like tight group of friends and he's never been able to move past that and so basically,
00:34:20
Speaker
The film centres on him gathering together as old friends and taking them back to the town that they grew up in to complete this pub crawl which is known as the Golden Mile which they attempted at the end of high school but never finished and for Gary it's the greatest night of his life and he wants to bring that time of his life back again. He wants to relive it basically but his friends have all moved on and grown up and they're very reluctant so he's having to drag them round and it's all kind of falling apart.
00:34:47
Speaker
However, a good few stops into the pub crawl, the guys uncover that the town has been occupied by these robots. There's a whole thing that they're not actually robots, but robots for now that they name blanks.
00:35:03
Speaker
and they find the town's basically been occupied by these robots who are basically trying to colonize Earth and basically bring it in line with the rest of the galaxy and basically they end up trapped in this, you know, they're trying to both complete this pub crawl but also survive these waves of robots.
00:35:19
Speaker
It's a funny one this one because I remember what I think I didn't watch this in the cinema I think I got some DVD when it came out and like I remember really liking it when I saw it but it's one I kind of forgot about and it's the one that I've seen the least of the three but watching it again I watched it again last of the day of this recording the day before I watched it and honestly I really really liked it I actually surprised I was like this is really really good I really enjoyed it how did you feel watching it again?
00:35:46
Speaker
I feel a bit mixed, I have to say. As I said before, I watched this with someone who absolutely hates sci-fi, and I know a lot of people listening to this will be like, well why would you take them? I don't know, it was their choice, not mine, surprisingly. But I remember coming out of it and not being impressed, and I don't know if that's because now I feel like, you know, I'm so attached to Shaun of the Red and Hot Fuzz that this one really is not an unpopular opinion that
00:36:14
Speaker
This is the least favourite of the three for people. Some bits. See, this is the thing. On the one hand, I definitely didn't enjoy this as much as the other two. But what I will say is, looking back on it, the attention to detail is absolutely fantastic in this one.
00:36:32
Speaker
Not to spoil it, but there are a lot of foreshadowing. The whole intro is a bit of a foreshadow for what's about to happen. Also things like the names of the pubs, kind of foreshadow what's going to happen. Which I thought was kind of a nice touch of detail, so it's definitely not a mindless film.
00:36:52
Speaker
I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say like it's a, you know, oh, switch your brain off. Other, there are some bits, but I'll get to that. But I think overall, it's, see, I think this is what hurts me the most. It's got a lot of fantastic ideas. I do think the character that Simon Pei plays in this one, Gary King, is really fascinating character. Because I used to know someone quite similar to this in college. And he was similar in the sense that he wore exactly the same kind of clothes.
00:37:21
Speaker
He would, like, drink in the middle of the day and he kept saying how college was his last chance to make anything of himself but he would still go to the pub and drink, you know. It was like a whole, like, cycle and things. So it was quite surprising but I feel as if the characters, again, like Shaun of the Dead, they're very relatable. You know, you're gonna see, like, an old man or a peat. It is good in that sense but I feel as if with Shaun of the Dead
00:37:48
Speaker
It's basically like a midlife crisis with zombies. The genre that they're parodying is almost in the background for the most part for these films. You know, it's like Shaun of the Dead but then the horror element slowly creeps into Shaun's life. And that's what Hot Fuzz and The World's End do as well. But I feel as if once the sci-fi element does creep into The World's End, that's when it kind of does a nose dive, personally. Like, did you feel as if there was any point that this film changed?
00:38:18
Speaker
I totally see what you're saying and I totally agree. I think the two concepts sit kind of uneasily. In Shaun the Dead and Hot Fuzz, they blend together seamlessly and they work. I totally agree that they don't sit together as well in this film. And like, yeah, I totally agree with you. Gary King to me is a fascinating character because for basically, I'd say probably, I was gonna say three quarters, probably more than three quarters of that film.
00:38:47
Speaker
really a horrible person and you're like there's nothing seems to be redeemable about him and one thing I actually like I actually like about this is that like Simon Pegg and Nick Frost kind of play an inversion of roles in the way like in the two previous films and acting some of the other works it's usually Simon Pegg playing the kind of straight man and Nick Frost plays the kind of wacky you know like wacky kind of sidekick character
00:39:09
Speaker
Well actually in this film, Simon Pegg's playing, Nick Frost is playing a much more straight man role, and it's Simon Pegg who's doing the far more kind of wacky, like you know, outrageous character. So Gary King, like Simon Pegg's character, he's just so unlikable for so much of the film, but there's a, and I won't say what it is, but there's a moment.
00:39:26
Speaker
at the very end of the film where you discover something about his character and it just for me like everything clicked into place and I honestly I completely understood everything that he'd done why he was the way he was like just every facet of his character I was like this all makes sense
00:39:41
Speaker
And I thought it was a real, like, it was actually a real emotional gut punch. I don't know if you felt the same way, but I found it a real emotional gut punch. I was just like, what, like, wow. Like this, it completely changed everything. And I was like, oh my God. Like, you know, I went from despising this character to like, like just pitting and being like, my God, like, you know.
00:39:57
Speaker
just feeling so sorry for him and it reminds me so much of Shaun the Dead in that way and that I think both those films and again maybe it's just characters I'm more related because I can understand that feeling of you know having a part in your life where you look back and you're like God was that the peak of my you know was that the peak of my life like yeah
00:40:12
Speaker
Is it just downhill from here? That's something I can understand as well. And like, so I find with those two films, like I just relate so much to those central characters and all those central themes. I just, I find they have just such an emotional core, which is what I think really resonated with me watching this film again. Also, I will say like, there's a pub fight scene in this, in the world's end, which I think might be my favorite scene out of any of these films. You know what I'm talking about? Like, it's the one where Pierce Brosnan, after they have a meeting with Pierce Brosnan.
00:40:44
Speaker
I was absolutely howling at it because this is a bit where Simon Faye's character's got this beer and he's desperate to drink it. He's got this massive problem. I just found his acting and everything so funny there. For me, I just remember it was uncontrollable laughter.
00:41:02
Speaker
like going back to what you were saying there about the gut punch moment like i do think this is a good film to go back and rewatch it's one of those films that when you go back to rewatch it you do see the reasons that he does these things you know the reason he's such an ass to everyone it is really interesting again it's like that whole well maybe not chekov's gun in this case but it's more like the kind of dropping breadcrumbs like of him talking about you know
00:41:27
Speaker
being knowledgeable about certain things that you think why does he know so much about that particular topic or why has he got his car from high school or maybe not high school but you know i mean like that kind of time period quite well written in that regard which is why not that i'm angry at the film maybe just disappointed
00:41:47
Speaker
Just that there's so much good going on. And this is the main criticism I'll throw, and this is probably the harshest I'll ever be with this trilogy. But I feel as if, and please don't hate me for saying this, at some moments in this film they do border on stoner humour. Mainly it's, you're the nightclub scene.
00:42:09
Speaker
like that bit where it's like the very attractive women dressed in school girl uniforms which I would say that's gratuitous but that is something that does happen in a lot of like themed clubs here where they get like unions to dress up in their old school uniform and you know drinks are I don't know I never went to them but I'm sure the drinks are slashed and much like the prices in them
00:42:32
Speaker
and Hot Fuzz, as I was told by Timothy Dalton. I mean, another moment that really sticks out, and I don't know if you noticed that, was where Andy's confronted by one of these good-looking robots and the robot, like, says, oh, I want you inside me, and then he literally punches the ruler to be inside, and I don't know. Like, that moment I was just like,
00:42:53
Speaker
come on like maybe i'm just being too harsh on it because i'm thinking of the humor from shawn of the dead and hot fuzz and then it just nose dives in that regard i don't know do you think i'm being too harsh on it you're being harsh because i can see where you're coming from i would i would just remind you of and i'm just gonna put a little warning here i'm going to use some very I'm quoting a scene from shawn the dead but yes
00:43:15
Speaker
So if you're offended by that, maybe skip ahead like 30 seconds. But I would remind you of a scene in Shaun of the Dead where like they're in the wind after Liz breaks up with Shaun. They're in the pub and then they're looking at the patrons and Shaun goes, oh, what about her? Head goes, oh, cockassidomania. She needs to talk about how she started the first interracial porn film. I mean, maybe that is a much shorter scene than the one in the wild's end.
00:43:41
Speaker
But the humor, I would say the humor is kind of, it's on the same line there. Like, and I agree, it's not as drawn out as the world's end. But I can definitely see what you're saying. If it's not your humor, then like, yeah, and that's a fair point. If it's just not your humor, then that's fine. Like, I can get it. Like, for me, like, I think I did laugh because I did laugh. Because I love Nick Frost's line afterward, where he's speaking to Simon Fager. He's just like, I just punched my wedding ring out for a good boy's tummy.
00:44:08
Speaker
Look at it from a hole, I don't mind it as much but I see where you're coming from and I think it's a bit of criticism. Like I don't want to be too harsh on it and be like oh it's the worst thing ever because it isn't like it is not by far the worst film I've seen. Definitely for me it's the worst of the trilogy. This is the thing, I don't want to say it's the worst of the trilogy and be like oh it's irredeemable because as I said there is good elements of this film but they just really don't mesh with the sci-fi element and it's weird because if you look at Shaun of the Dead
00:44:37
Speaker
Everything happens in the background and then the horror slowly encroaches into his everyday life. Same with Hope Fuzz, it's like as part of his job and then this world of conspiracies and things come into it and it's... Yeah, the peaceful exterior of the village falls away.
00:44:54
Speaker
whereas for world's end it's like there's this particular scene where the like the friend group are just about to literally just about to split up and then yeah the incident happens like the kind of turning point the story where the sci-fi element is introduced happens and then it's like oh okay
00:45:15
Speaker
You know, it's just... yeah, it just happened. And then all of a sudden it's like, great, we've got robots in this all now. But there was no real... and again, you would expect there to be action or something going on with hot fuzz or you're expecting the zombies to come with Shaun of the Dead. With the world's end, there wasn't really much of a build-up was there?
00:45:38
Speaker
unless I could be completely wrong. I think it's something that you see it more when you rewatch it, but I don't think when you watch it the first time around, as you say, it does seem quite abrupt, like in a way that it doesn't. It's not quite as well built up as the other two films. It's something that I think once you've seen it once and you know what's coming, you can kind of look and see where it's coming from. But yeah, no, I'd agree.
00:46:01
Speaker
And I apologise for kind of ending that in a very negative rant. Because I don't want to be that guy who's like, the world's end's bad and you should feel bad. Because it isn't. Like as I said, I think Gary King, fantastic character. And I do think the characters in this are really good. But there is just some bits. So before we can wrap up, when we talk about the endings of these films, will we go into kind of spoiler territory for the next couple of minutes? There'll be like minor spoilers. Well not minor, sorry.
00:46:31
Speaker
The opposite. Pretty major. It is the endings after all. But yeah, we'll go into the spoilers very briefly. So skip ahead a couple of minutes if you don't want to hear the climaxes of these amazing
Cornetto Trilogy Endings and Emotional Impact
00:46:45
Speaker
films. How would you say the endings do rate in these films?
00:46:48
Speaker
I like all of the endings. I mean, my favorite, my favorite is Shaun of the Dead because, so for the end of Shaun of the Dead, basically the only survivors out of the kind of group, the kind of main group are Shaun and Liz. Shaun and his like, his ex-girlfriend at the time, but they get back together again. And they kind of basically, it kind of, if someone kind of ends, it starts like, you know, he said, Shaun's like, he basically said it's Shaun and Liz living together rather than Shaun and Ed and his flatmate Pete.
00:47:15
Speaker
And I like what you were saying that like, at the start, Liz is like saying like, Oh, I want to, you know, I want to travel, you know, do these exciting things and actually like their life isn't that. And it's actually in the way, it's in the way Liz is saying all these things, but she's in a way, she's not actually wanting like excitement. What she wants is she wants Sean to commit. That's the real thing she wants. She wants Sean to commit to their life together, which he just can't seem to do at the beginning because he's like, he's just, he can't move past his own life, like kind of represented by Ed.
00:47:41
Speaker
and that he is able to move past and they're able to have a life together and that's really what she wants. But at the same time, I like it as well as that Sean is still able to hold onto parts of his old life because Ed has been turned into a zombie at the end and Sean is able to rescue him as I'm living in the shed with the Playstation 2 and he's able to go out there and visit him and stuff.
00:48:00
Speaker
So I like that kind of idea that, like, it is possible to move on in your life, but you don't have to, like, abandon everything about your old life. You know, you can still have that part of yourself and can still keep, like, those things that you like and everything. So for me, I find it a really, I think it's really funny, but also really touching, touching anything.
00:48:15
Speaker
It's a surprising ending to be sure, but it is definitely a, it is a really emotional one in the best way. And I have to admit, like, leading on from that, the ending to Hot Fuzz by Far Out The Three. Although that is like the emotional ending, like, the finale to Hot Fuzz, it's, see, this is the thing. I love the reveal of it, so again, skip a couple minutes if you don't want to hear.
00:48:38
Speaker
but the villains or rather the killer turns out to be killers and it's the whole village that's involved and they're trying to make sure that Stanford is the model village of the year every single year because the main inspector of the town has lost his wife
00:48:56
Speaker
Basically, she took a mental breakdown because the day before one of the village competitions came around, there were travellers who came through, messed up the village, then moved on, and then they lost because of it. So he has this fixation on making this and preserving, you know, and it's this idea again of this fixation of preserving the thing of the past and that idea of trying to get him to move on, which of course he doesn't really. I'm getting arrested in there.
00:49:25
Speaker
No, sorry, he ends up getting attacked by a swan, which is what I was referring to earlier. It gets picked, you know what. It is fantastic. See, the reveal of the village as the main antagonist is absolutely fantastic. I don't know about you, but my jaw dropped at that. I was like, I did not see it coming at all. I thought maybe it would be Timothy Dalton, which is at half-truth.
00:49:48
Speaker
Like he was set up as a perfect right heading and I do think it's fantastic. I think it goes on a little bit longer at the end and it should have. Like there's this whole scene where a landmine or sorry a sea mine blows up in the station but everybody survives I think.
00:50:05
Speaker
except for the doctor who gets pinned underneath it. Just seems a bit weird, and I know that's the point that's supposed to be like, you know, the old action films. Like, I dunno, Bad Boys 2 is one of the ones they bring up, you know, Point Break, that kind of thing. But I think it kind of outstays its welcome there, but that's the only issue I would say that I have with the ending. The twist itself is great, but then there's another, like, extra half hour after that, where it's just, yeah, it's just basically a shit-out.
00:50:33
Speaker
It's all really well done, but that's the only thing I would point out. And for the World's End, I'll let you take this one, and I'll jump in. Well, what's the beating on the ground? The World's End, so out of the five friends, two of them are basically taken by the robots and killed and replaced by robot versions themselves. So the final three characters, they've got Simon playing Nick Frost, and they're our friend Simon, who's played by Paddy Considine. Considine? Yeah, yeah.
00:51:02
Speaker
butchered his last name but yeah so they survive and they kind of find they find like the main like the say the leader it's not really the leader but it's like the main hub of this thing called the network who are this like alien group who have like infiltrated the earth and have like basically advanced technology you know like mobile phones internet everything satellites everything like that to basically try and like bring earth into line with the rest of the galaxy and basically so with this like this this artificial this consciousness like arguing with these like three drunkards
00:51:32
Speaker
They're so belligerent that they can't just realise it's just like, to hell with this, we're going to leave Earth, it's not worth it, you're not worth it. And so they leave and that kind of wipes out technology and basically sends Earth into this apocalypse state and basically Nick Frost's character kind of narrates
00:51:51
Speaker
the end and i do like what's in because i think it gives it's an especially nick cross as like is divorced from his wife as his character divorced from his wife and like he's been trying to win her back but they kind of reconcile because like well you know there are differences don't seem as bad yeah you know i kind of like that and um patty constanton's character gets together with uh rossum and pike pike and her character who's like a
00:52:11
Speaker
who he'd been in love with since he'd been at school and stuff and that's quite nice and the two robot like the two characters who are robots kind of go back to their old things and that's kind of funny and then Simon Pegg's character kind of disappears and we see him at the end like he's basically like the artificial consciousness created like robot versions of like Gary's friends when they were young and he basically takes them and he's like you know he's like leading them in a posse and stuff and they like walk into this pub where it's like they like no and they call the robots blanks it's like no blanks served here basically and then
00:52:40
Speaker
you know, he goes in and we see like he's basically issued alcohol now, he's like tea total and he has to drink water and stuff. And then like the film ends with him about to go in this massive fight with all these basically like quote unquote, racist, which is a nice callback, by the way, because you're everyone like Nick Frost character drinking water the first time. Oh, yeah. A lot of it takes a lot of courage to like walk into like walk into a bar of all these like big ugly men and more paint and water and that's kind of what happens at the end is a nice callback.
00:53:06
Speaker
And yeah, basically it kind of shows him like, in a way, like he's almost found his purpose. So like, I do like it because I like the fact that it kind of is this guy who couldn't move past this point in his life. He's able to in a way, but again, he's able to retain a bit of a vestige, but he's found the new purpose and he's not as self-destructive now. So I do, I do like it. I do like it. What did you think about it?
00:53:26
Speaker
I did think that was quite a cool idea. I didn't know what to expect, really. I came to the left thinking, huh, that was an ending. I think the idea of a post-apocalyptic world and everything, that was a cool idea, but we only got to see two minutes of it, and obviously we couldn't have half of the film up up crawl and then the other half post-apocalyptic. But if Disney Plus or whatever picked it up, I'm sure it would do well.
00:53:53
Speaker
Final jokes aside, I think by that point I was just kind of tired out by all the action and everything. I was just like oh my god and you know the emotional reveal that comes out that he's you know it turns out that he's been self-harming because as he says before and he keeps reiterating nothing ever lived up to that night where
00:54:14
Speaker
they did the pub crawl after school and i have to admit re-watching it i do appreciate it because you do see kind of snippets of him trying to retain these old days like him driving the same car as school still playing the same songs him still using like the same catch raises that they used in school you know like all of these callbacks
00:54:37
Speaker
are fantastically done and they're just weaved in so perfectly and I do think it's really well done but the whole alien thing I don't know it just seemed like it almost felt like two separate films which is something I never felt was shown in The Dead or Hot Fuzz as I said before it felt as if they naturally kind of meshed with one another with this it almost felt as if they were trying to pour like oil and water and some bits were going through but other bits you were just like
00:55:05
Speaker
overall it just for me personally I like the idea of like the post as I said the post-apocalyptic bit and a lot of the characters getting relatively happy endings some of them were like the heads were slashed in so I don't know how that's gonna work for them in the future but
00:55:23
Speaker
Yeah, I felt it was just like, it was bombastic about them having the big chase scene and I have no idea what the big robot was, I'm gonna be honest. I felt as if that was a bit too much.
00:55:38
Speaker
just the 5G statue running around. I was like, what is this? So yeah, I think personally it's definitely the weakest of the three ending-wise, but that actually brings me on to my final point, rankings.
Personal Rankings of the Cornetto Trilogy
00:55:53
Speaker
And I think I could probably tell what you're gonna say, but I'm gonna give it to you then.
00:55:58
Speaker
It should be pretty obvious that Shaun of the Dead is number one for me. I think it's flawless. I think it's perfect. I absolutely love it. Probably gonna hate me, but World's End is my next favorite. What? Yeah. And then, now, here's what I'll say. In terms of an actual pure film, Hot Fuzz is a much better, much tighter, it's a much better film. World's End's a lot scrappier and everything and I agree it doesn't hold together as well. Man, it's got an emotional core to it though.
00:56:27
Speaker
And I just, and maybe there's a bit of recency bias here, this last one I watched, but I was just really like drawn to it. And I just, the emotion of it just really resonated with me in a way that, and that's the thing about hot fuzz, like I love hot fuzz, but it doesn't, it just doesn't have that emotional draw for me. And I don't know, that's just something that I just, it's just really important to me. Like sometimes I'm watching films, you know,
00:56:51
Speaker
It's just how much I get kind of emotionally invested in it. Honestly, it could be like a 2A, 2B thing, you know, Worlds and Hot Fuzz. And this is no slight against Hot Fuzz. Like Rankin is like, you know, Hot Fuzz is a fantastic film and everybody should watch it because it's amazing. And maybe my opinion will change, but I'm sorry, it's going to be, it's number three for me. That is a twist and a half right there.
00:57:16
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. Indeed. Yeah, no surprise for me. It's definitely, hopefully, sitting at number one. I'm gonna go with Shaun of the Dead for number two in mine. This is the thing. World End for me is definitely by far my least favourite and it doesn't mean it's a bad film. I'm gonna reiterate kind of what you said because I'm a filthy plagiarist but
00:57:38
Speaker
I do agree, Wurldine definitely has that emotional core. I just feel as if like a lot of the sci-fi stuff does it a bit of disservice at times. You know, it's like it's hard to get invested in, you know, Gary King, who is this washed out guy who struggles with, basically as the film suggests, or all three of them suggest, is this theme of moving on with life, whether it's Sean with his relationship, Nicholas with his, you know, job, or
00:58:07
Speaker
Of course, Gary with his thinking back to the past and everything. And yeah, I just feel as if punching robots does that a disservice. I don't know, maybe I have to rewatch it because it's only this station.
00:58:23
Speaker
It's only this stage, like I'm starting to kind of warm up to it slightly. Because before I absolutely hated it, I thought out the three, I would watch Hot Fuzz and Sean and the Dead over and over again, but this is like the second time I've watched it since the cinemas. So I don't know, maybe I just need to rewatch it again. I'm not saying like, you know, like a clockwork orange, but I've got my eyes strapped open.
00:58:45
Speaker
and I'm rewatch it, like, stop it. Yeah, stop it, stop it now. But for me it's definitely the weakest out of the three. And again, if you're listening to this and you're a fan of The World's End, yeah, feel free to let us know. Like, if you're a fan of it or really just what your favourite one out of the trilogy is. And I honestly think that we probably could, like, do deep dives into these episodes or these films rather.
Conclusion and Viewing Recommendations
00:59:11
Speaker
We could definitely do it at a better service but
00:59:13
Speaker
They're great films, regardless. I would wholeheartedly recommend it, I'm sure. You agree as well. Oh, yeah. I recommend all of these films. And again, it's that thing of saying, like, what's the worst, quote unquote, worst. Like, there's for me, there's no bad film in this trilogy. It's a really strong trilogy of films. That's for me, like, it's having to nitpick.
00:59:34
Speaker
is having to be like, well, I don't like this kind of little bit. And again, it came down to my decision came down to the subjective thing, which, you know, again, I don't think the things that I've said against Hot Fuzz are actual criticisms of it. It's just how I feel. Yeah. So I would I would recommend any of these films. For me, they're all amazing. And yeah, just go watch them all and then watch them all again because they're worth rewatching.
00:59:55
Speaker
Now, I would agree with that because although you might think, oh, it's just a silly zombie film, silly action film, silly sci-fi, you don't really get an appreciation for them, do you? Unless you rewatch them and think, oh, that's what they were talking about earlier, or oh, that's what they were referring... You know, it's definitely rewatchable, but it's also rewarding to rewatch it and kind of spot these Easter eggs and things.
01:00:20
Speaker
It's great, it would definitely, well definitely probably maybe. Welcome back to them but yeah we're probably leaning on the side of, definitely. Yeah I honestly, me too, I can see us like revisiting these films and doing like a deep dive. So if you want to see that please let us know down below. Seeing as it is the end, would you like to conclude the episode?
01:00:42
Speaker
It would be my honour. So thank you all so much for joining us for the start of this new and exciting season. I feel like we got off to a bang here and this rocket is just going to keep flying. We're going to keep shooting for the moon. So we look forward to seeing you next time. Thank you so much, Satsunami, for putting this episode together, for inviting me on and just for just bearing your soul, bearing your heart about these films.
01:01:04
Speaker
Oh, it's a pleasure as always. And so we will see you all next time. But in the meantime, stay safe, stay awesome. Most importantly, stay hydrated and jog on. Bye guys. Bye bye.