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Speaker: does my hair look like shit, Emma? I just washed it yesterday. does not look like shit. doesn't look good. No, looks cute. looks a little bit better there. Yeah, yeah it looks really cute. Did you spritz it with water?
Speaker: now ah Spritz it with some water. I know, I know. Rejuvenize the curls. I've, uh...
Speaker: I've got one of those little water sprayer things, you know? And then I just use it until it starts to smell bad, right? Like that's what everyone does? That's normal? Okay. Sure. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't some kind of rat person. No, no, no, no. Everybody does that.
Speaker: When it starts to smell bad, it like I wash it and then I put new water in it. Yeah. There you Because water smells bad after a while. You know that water smell? Yeah, I think that's called mold.
Speaker: No, it's not. It's just old water. Yeah. ah No, I think it's called Volt. I'm pretty sure it's called Bacteria. on. You know that smell? Are you Googling you know that smell water has after a few days?
Speaker: Yeah. Called old water. Old water smell. You know that smell old water has. Mildew. Um...
Speaker: Old water smell. Musty old water smell usually comes from harmless organic compounds. Yeah, called mildew. No, it's not. It's... Okay, well, none of this is correct. Mildew.
Speaker: Oh, my God. It's mildew. So you use you use water in a spray bottle on your hair, and then you just magically know at some point before it starts to go bad to get to change it out? Like, how often do you change it out? Well, I don't have a spray bottle. Because you don't use it, right? don't use a spray bottle. I use my hands, and I put it under the faucet, and then I go splun splunk, splunk. Oh, okay, And I just throw it on my hair.
Speaker: Okay. Well, I got one of those little things where you, you, it's like you spray it and it creates this like super fine mist. Oh yeah yeah. Yeah. I've wanted one of those. I need every time I'm at TJ Maxx. Well, it was $6. So yeah.
Speaker: I'm like, oh I should get one of those. i need one of those. And then I'm like, but my hands are free. Well, you use it until the water starts to smell bad. Until you get mildew. You clean it. It's not, but like I clean it and it looks, it's clean. There's not like mildew in it.
Speaker: Yeah. I get it. I get it. I get it. You know? anyway
Speaker: Here we are. How are you doing besides that? um Oh, fine. I worked 11 hours yesterday. Oh, no, I didn't actually. I got out of it at the last minute, but it felt like 11 hours.
Speaker: Ah, it felt like 10,000 million hours. Um, my, uh, we had our housewarming party on Saturday. that's nice. Yeah, it was really nice. It was a weird array of people. It was everyone I work with at the bridal store and a bunch of theater people. Um, Charlie's friends.
Speaker: Yes, he has those. Okay. Real or imaginary? Oh my god. Right on camera.
Speaker: Aww. He brought you flowers. He brought me flowers. Famous flower hater Charlie. Famous flower. No, he loves flowers.
Speaker: He doesn't like to give you flowers. we have a whole We have multiple conversations about it. Do you know what he just said? Because he didn't want to be on camera. He said, these are flowers that I got for you to get to to give to me.
Speaker: Cool.
Speaker: Way to ruin it, Charles. Right? way to ruin it, Charles. Well, now I don't like them. Can you come take them, darling, so the cat doesn't eat them? Thank you very much.
Speaker: Oh, yes. I already told her happy hump day. um Yes. for Listeners, today is Charlie and my 14 year wedding anniversary. Fabulous. Fabulous 14 years. We've made it.
Speaker: Boy, oh boy. Here's to 14 more. okay And no more. And no more. And then we're done. 28 years is how long I can handle it.
Speaker: Well, Charlie predicts that he will die a young death, um which I think we're past at this point. But, you know. Oh, burn. Burn. um Oh, and he got digestives.
Speaker: Oh. And by digestives, you mean graham crackers? Yeah, little chocolate graham crackers from England. Oh, yeah. I've never had chocolate graham crackers. Yeah. He said, absolutely not.
Speaker: That's not what that is. I love a graham cracker. Graham cracker's a good snack. Yeah. He also doesn't understand why we call them graham crackers. I don't understand why you call them digestives. That's one of the weirdest, most disgusting Britishisms.
Speaker: That with with yeah squirty cream. You digest everything, Emma. I mean, famously, there's one scene that you and i both think about repeating repeatedly that can't get out of our brains of of a digestion.
Speaker: Oh, that's true. Yeah. Thanks for bringing it up. Yeah, you're welcome. You know, nope I couldn't sleep last night and now I'm not going able to sleep tonight either. So yeah, yeah you're welcome. You're so very welcome.
Speaker: um Disturbing scenes that and marriages. Yeah, healthy, super cool, normal marriages. yeah Famously featured in this. Famously featured in today's film. That's right, guys. You guessed it. This is Go Get Your Goo.
Speaker: That was thunder. and This is the podcast where Emma and Katie both live in a fancy smancy apartment building in New York City.
Speaker: And all their neighbors are kind of crazy. They're a little kooky. And also, a lot of bad things happen in their apartment building all the little kooky is such an understatement for what happens in this movie. Like, they're a little kooky. They're a little kooky. a little crazy. So, then this young couple moves in and They live down the hall from us. Yep. We're just two other residents ah in this scenario. They live down the hall from us and their next door neighbors get all up in their business all the time. And we're like, oh, thank God it's not us that the cast of bellies are all about. ah Or the cast of vets are all about. Cast of yeah.
Speaker: Um, and they, and then the wife gets pregnant, but she is not dealing with pregnancy in a good way. boy oh boy. And her baby's born, but isn't born at the same time. I don't know. We don't really ask that many follow-up questions. Things that side of the hallway is a little weird. Uh, that's right, guys. You guessed it. I'm Emma.
Speaker: And I'm Katie. ah and what a, like, just a great movie to remind you, you don't need to talk to your neighbors, You really don't. Don't do it. We are talking about Rosemary's Baby from 1968. Yeah.
Speaker: Directed by Roman Polanski, who directed Chinatown and Repulsion and The Pianist and many other movies. um ah And is a ah famous, horrible person and a coward. yep Yep.
Speaker: We hate him. We're not going to get into it, but you know, there is some, there'll be ah ah but some minor discussion about like how a person who has proven to have no respect for, for women manage it to manage to make this movie, which is all about the horrors of being a woman. Yes.
Speaker: But it should be said, it should be said, and this is the first of Emma's Fun Facts, Emma's Fun Facts, because I'm sure you're going to get into it. It is based on a book, and it has been said that this is the most like ah reliable book to screen, most accurate book to screen adaptation so I think a lot of the things yeah a lot of the things that um were done in this film to really sort of portray that the horrors of a woman I mean yeah they were emphasized through cinema but um the writing was already there and it was done in the book
Speaker: Also written by a man, um which is strange. There are a number of these, like what I call horror movies about being a woman. And several of them are made by my by men. And I don't understand it. And I think it it's has to be unintentional. Right. Have you seen the movie Carnival of Souls?
Speaker: No, I haven't. I have not. It's also from the 60s. It's this one-off, this guy who made industrial films for like... He made, um it anyway, neither here nor there, but Hurt Carvey made this movie called Carnival of Souls, and he made it on always no budget, and it is this, like, haunting, super, like, depressing, um, horror movie made from the 60s that, you know, could have been made 30 years later. Yeah.
Speaker: It is a kind of a very deep meditation about how you can't trust men. um How delightful to be a woman. Exactly.
Speaker: There's another one. there's There's other examples as well. But ah this is this is a big one. Yeah. The book is written by Ira Levin, who also wrote The Stepford Wives. Another um another book about about being a woman. Misogyny. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: And he also wrote The Boys from Brazil and he wrote the play Death Trap and you know lots of cool stuff. um This movie was produced by William Castle, who made is the famous like showman ah schlockmeister from the 50s and 60s who made House on Haunted Hill 13 Ghosts.
Speaker: and For a second, i I thought you were going to say him he's the the famous guy from Hollywood who they based the character Castle on.
Speaker: Yeah. That. Yeah. Yeah. Um, ah so, um, no, William Castle, who I actually just got a ah box set of his movies like last week and had watched, um,
Speaker: The Tingler, two nights before watching this. The Tingler? The Tingler is a movie where they, um it's really ridiculous. It's Vincent Price and the premise of The Tingler, okay, let's just do it. The premise of The Tingler is that Vincent Price is a scientist who discovers that there is a parasite that lives in every person's spine.
Speaker: And when you get really afraid, it grips your spine, like spine tingling. That's why it's called he calls it The Tingler. oh And it grows larger and larger. And the only way to to dissipate it is to scream.
Speaker: But if you can't scream, it will get bigger and bigger until it will kill you. And there's there's a deaf mute woman in the movie. And that's what happens. And he removes the tingler from her dead body. And it's alive, like creeping around. And it looks like this big rubber lobster. It's very stupid.
Speaker: But William Castle, who was this like gimmick guy, When they they made this film in theaters, they he sent these vibrating pads for the theater to put under a bunch of seats in the audience to where when the tingler gets loose in the theater, they vibrate the seats. And it's like the tingler's loose in the theater. You have to scream to get rid of the tingler. It's so fun.
Speaker: The tingler, not the tingler. Yeah, so he got the rights to this book before it was published. um And he's like, I got to make this movie. And he needed financing. He mortgaged his house to be able to pay for the rights to to make this movie. Oh, wow.
Speaker: He went to Paramount and Robert Evans, the famous um head of of production at Paramount at the time who made so many films. classic movies. He has a great book that they turned into a documentary called the kid stays in the picture.
Speaker: He's this classic Hollywood guy. um He produced the Godfather. He produced this, he produced the graduate, like tons and tons of big famous, the, the start of the new Hollywood movement, which is where this movie is in, in terms of place too, as we've talked about previously, the Hays code, yeah which lasted from, I believe it's 1936,
Speaker: 35? don't remember. Yeah, I want to say 34. To 1967, the year before this movie came out, had ended. And the MPAA had taken over where it was a self-governing ratings board where...
Speaker: Movies would submit and they would get a rating based on what they thought the content in the movie was. And that's where we get, you know, our rating system today is still, yeah they call it the MPA now is instead of the MPAA, but it's the same thing basically. Yeah. I was going to say if this, this absolutely could not have come out during the Hays Code. No, no. For many, many reasons. But Robert, that so that the the new Hollywood movement, or as it's called outside of America, the um,
Speaker: the American new wave started in 67, 68 and lasted through the through the 70s. Some say until Star Wars is what killed the the new Hollywood movement. But all of these these difficult, thorny, violent movies that were not what Hollywood had made before. And people like Polanski and specifically like Francis Ford Coppola and Brian De Palma and Steven Spielberg and Martin Scorsese. And all of those people were kind of involved in in that. And this is one of the the first big movies of the of New Hollywood. yeah But um yeah, so Robert Evans was part of that. And when William Castle said, I've got the rights to this book, I want to make this movie, Robert Evans was like, absolutely not.
Speaker: Yes, you can produce the movie. And, but there's no, i'm like I'm not letting you write and direct it. You are, whether or not you have the ability to do this, like, you know, William Castle wasn't gonna make this, ah he wasn't gonna put Satan in the movie theater. He wanted to make a serious movie. yeah Because all he had made previously were like really silly B movies, which is fine. And there's a place for that. And he wanted to do something more serious. But Robert Evans was like, the people won't take it seriously if it comes from you.
Speaker: Yeah. So he had seen Repulsion as had a lot of people, was a really big French movie um from a few years before and got this guy, Roman Polanski, who was relatively young and had just come to Hollywood to make this movie. And some say that the reason that the movie is so accurate to the book is that this was the first movie Roman Polanski didn't write himself. This is an adaptation. yeah And there's a lot of people claim that he didn't know that he had the license to change stuff. So that's why it's so accurate yeah to the book. I have not read the book. Have you read the book? I have not read the book either. No.
Speaker: um But this was a huge hit. Yeah. It was, i think, the number two grossing movie of 1968, which is crazy when you think about, like, it's 60s and what this movie is about. and like Yeah. and in general And just, like, all the things that happen in this movie. Oh, man.
Speaker: Woof is all you can say. who It's a feel-bad movie. It's a bit of depressing watch for a Tuesday night after you've had a long day of work. But, you it happens. But, hey, you know, it's it's really, it's a beautiful film. like Yeah, it's gorgeous. Start to finish, like, beautiful.
Speaker: Absolutely quintessential 1960s New York City. um yeah The fashion in it is fantastic. um and ah She went to Vidal Sassoon. Yeah. She went to Vidal Sassoon, who, which they actually did.
Speaker: Vidal Sassoon cut her hair. Like the man, not the, not the place. The man whose name Vidal Sassoon. Yeah. The man, not the place. The man cut her hair for this film. um I just, and this is the second time I've seen it.
Speaker: And in my, this rewatch, it's been like, I want to say 10 years since the last time I saw it. It's not like an every year watch. Yeah. You know, it's not one of those movies. It's not a fun time. No, it's not a fun time. yeah And oh man, there's so many things that I'm like, what?
Speaker: Wait, what? Wait, what? And I think some of it is the movie and some of it is the time period that it is. Oh, for sure. Was made. She's a stay at home wife for a struggling actor in New York. Can you imagine? Charlie was so confused as to like how rich they were. He was like, how, yeah how rich are they? And I was like, well, they had enough money to buy an apartment.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. So I looked it up as I'm sure you knew I would. They live in the, in the Dakota. It's yeah called the, the Bramford in the movie. Yes. But it is the Dakota.
Speaker: The exteriors are the Dakota, which is a very famous apartment building in New York. Probably the most famous for John Lennon getting shot in front of it. Yep. um But he lived there as well. You could buy at an apartment in the Dakota in 1960s, 1968. Although this is set in 65, 66. So I should have looked that up, but I didn't.
Speaker: Yeah. In 1968 for about $30,000. Jesus. So in with inflation, that means that apartment would cost $288,000, which for a park, for a, um for a central park. Central park. Facing apartment building in fucking Manhattan. Yeah.
Speaker: That would be insane. That would be amazing for an apartment. cottage is Extremely reasonable. $288,000 for a nice apartment in a super nice apartment building in New York City. Right. Instead, apartments in the Dakota go from $4 million to $20 million now in 2026. Of course they Of course they do. of course they do yeah Well, and part of that is, you know, this movie made that building more famous than it already was. And then, of course, you know, celebrities moved in and lots. And then the John Lennon thing. So all of that inflated the price of that place more than it would normally. But still, like, yeah the amount of of real estate prices in New York versus what actual inflation should tell us is just deranged. It's just and insane. Deranged. um Isn't it also the Dakota is the inspiration for the um the building in Only Murders in the Building? There's a lot of buildings. and The Osborne is another really famous building. The San Remo. um There's a lot of buildings like that on the Upper West Side of Manhattan that I think is... But the Dakota is certainly one of them. Yeah. The yeah and the Dakota is like the most famous. Like people
Speaker: go to the Dakota to like take pictures outside of it because of Rosemary's baby because of John Lennon because it's it is you know fabulous yeah and and just like the architecture and just like the the like gorgeous like aerial shots that you get of the building and like Central Park it's this dark gothic looking building yeah it looks like a horror movie might happen there yeah yeah So we meet um ah Mia Farrow and John Cassavetes. John Cassavetes, father of Nick Cassavetes, director of The Notebook.
Speaker: Oh, yes. john We talked a little bit about John Cassavetes probably on The Notebook episode. I don't remember. But John Cassavetes was an actor and also a writer and director. And he was, some call him the father of American independent film. yeah He had already directed a few movies at this point.
Speaker: but was still, you know working primarily as an actor in the, in the late sixties. It wasn't really until the seventies that he started like churning out masterpieces like woman under the influence and opening night and the killing of a Chinese bookie and really, really upsetting actor centric movies, a lot of vehicles for his wife, Gina Rowlands. And he, clashed with Polanski on the side. oh yeah. They hated each other. They hated each other. Polanski thought that Cassavetes was like, was an arrogant jerk. And Cassavetes thought the same thing about Polanski.
Speaker: Yeah. Cassavetes had like, a more Because he had directed movies himself. He had a more like improv. Let's let's see how it feels. Let's try it this way. And Polanski was like, no, we we do it this way. That's Russian more than Polish. don't think I can do Polish. Right.
Speaker: So, ah yeah, they are a young couple Mia Farrow i believe is 23 in this movie yeah she's a baby Cassavetes is 39 although I think he she's playing a bit older and he's playing a bit younger he's still older than her but not that that the yeah characters don't have that kind of age gap and it's also again it's difficult in the sick to like watch movies from the 60s and be like how old is everybody because it's impossible to tell he could be 30 or he could be 55 she looks like a baby though like yeah she's she's
Speaker: itty bitty baby yeah yeah and she's supposed to um you know she's supposed to be young and naive um and she's just naive little fragile way blonde little waif with freckles um she's yeah so beautiful first of all but secondly just like yeah fragile very fragile there's this thing about Mia Farrow that like it's it's hard it's like a little unsettling to see her smile and I was like it's not retching resting bitch face that she has I think it's Resting scared face. ah yeah
Speaker: You know, it's funny because she she grew into a much more kind of severe look, you know, to be way fish and fragile in this. She has like in her in her later movies, like in Purple Rose of Cairo and and stuff like that, and Hannah and Her Sisters, like she does have this kind of more icy, yeah hard kind of affect to her. so But in Rosemary's Baby, she has resting scared face. She just always looks so scared. she's yeah she's having a rough time she's she's having a rough time oh poor rosemary it's interesting to me so house rosemary and guy woodhouse and guy is an actor it's interesting to me the very first thing he says in the movie is a lie yep they're walking into the apartment building and he goes oh are you a doctor and he says yes and rosemary's like he's an actor don't listen to him ha
Speaker: He was in Luther and Nobody Loves an Albatross. And Nobody Loves an Albatross. And he's done lots of television and film. Yes. and Oh, sorry. Television and radio.
Speaker: He's the Yamaha man. Luther and Nobody Loves an Albatross are real plays that were on Broadway in the 60s. Luther is kind of a famous ah play about Martin Luther. And Nobody Loves an Albatross is like a comedy satire about television.
Speaker: So oh there we go. And then, yeah, I guess he's making enough money doing commercials for Yamaha that they can afford this apartment because... yeah She doesn't do anything. She's a 60s housewife, yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: But he, the the obnoxious real estate man, shows them the apartment, and, like, unlike the Dakota, the this apartment building is kind of crumbling. There's...
Speaker: It's not as nice as the Dakota, we are led to believe. Yeah, it's it's sort of seen better days. And the apartment that they're viewing, they find out that the old lady that lived there died, but not in the apartment. She died in the hospital. Never fear. um And that's... So he says.
Speaker: Yeah, so he says. But like all of her stuff is still in it. She had an herb garden in it that's with like dying herbs and stuff that are just like all over the place. And so like, It's just sort of, it looks a little like, not a hoarder's, but like an old lady's apartment. It's just filled with crap.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah. And they one of the things is they see that there's been a dresser that's been moved in front of a closet door. Oh, yeah. And they move it back and it looks like a normal closet. They can't figure out why anyone would do that. But this brings us to... reason. No reason. This brings us to the very first of Charlie's Corner. So get ready for it.
Speaker: Charlie's Corner. Charlie's Corner. Charlie's Corner. Govna? Govna? ah Charlie had a few... He enjoyed this movie overall. He'd never seen it?
Speaker: Never seen it. And had a lot of similar thoughts that I did about, you know, when Mia Farrow gets her hair cut or when she wakes up the next day. And we'll get into it when those moments come. But... um the He was so upset by the placement of that dresser. Like, not in front of the closet, like where it was originally in the hallway. He goes, yeah why would someone put a dresser there? You can't stand in front of it and open the drawers. It makes no sense.
Speaker: there I mean, like, it has sometimes you got furniture and you got to some yeah got to stick it somewhere. And so I use the, you know, classic excuse. Well, darling, it's a New York Manhattan apartment. He goes, that place is huge. There were so many other places they could have put that dresser.
Speaker: Not the point, Charlie. Not the point. Yeah. So they decide they get the apartment anyway. Yep. They meet with her friend Hutch. Yes. Now Hutch is an older man who I think like kind of befriended her when she had first moved to New York.
Speaker: Yeah, I think i read in the book that they were neighbors originally when she first moved to New York and he kind of like took her under his wing. And for some reason, the first time I saw this, I thought that she he was their old landlord.
Speaker: oh yeah. Yeah. Because of like the the like he's used as a reference for them getting the apartment. And so his first lines are about, oh, I said you were terrible tenants who are absolutely horrible.
Speaker: Oh, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think he's just like a a character reference to get an apartment. He ah tells them, it's like, oh, the Bramford. Yeah, that's where those witches ate those children. And there was a man who um who who claimed to conjure the devil and they attacked him in the lobby. This guy, I i wrote his name, Adrian Mercado was his name.
Speaker: yeah he's at based alistair crowley i think that's the idea yeah because there is no um mercado famous witch guy no no all of that's fictional yeah they said yeah they found a dead infant in the basement wrapped in newspaper not too long ago jesus christ and also so many bad things happen there like okay sounds like a good place we'll move in Right. And they they move in and then there is this this sex scene, which again, very shocking for 1968, I think. There's right nudity. Yeah. there is You do it on the floor, which looks very uncomfortable. Yeah, but you know, it's a new apartment. Sometimes you got to break it in.
Speaker: um Listen, I'm not going to poo-poo sex on the floor.
Speaker: But yeah there's Nudity and the Graduate, which was the year before, but this is still pretty early for major Hollywood movie, real actors like getting naked. So that's, you know, it's kind of a big deal.
Speaker: It's kind of awkward. They have this team she's like, let's make love. And then he turns the light out and then the sea the camera doesn't move. And it's just this long in the dark, them undressing separately.
Speaker: And then yeah going over to him. Like, it's very, there's something unsettling about it. It's very it's very cold. it does It's not romantic at all. Yeah.
Speaker: It's very cold. And like, if you if if you're not thinking too hard, you might think to yourself, oh, well, this must be what sex in the 60s was like all the time. I mean, it could be. I don't know. But then you see a different sex scene later and you're like, maybe not. It's very perfunctory.
Speaker: Yeah. They can hear their neighbors is one thing. So the their apartment, seven e was broken off. Oh yes, it was broken down. It was the original 10 or the original. Yeah, something like that. the original 10 apartments and it was broken down into even more apartments and it's like part of the selling point. And so this part of the apartment used to be this part of the apartment, used to be that part of the apartment. And like Rosemary like says it like jokingly as they're like moving in.
Speaker: um But like the whole idea is that their apartment was broken into two or three Can you imagine how big the apartments used to, abuse must have been originally? Right? Yeah. Jesus fucking Christ. Because their apartment is huge and the Castavetes apartment is even bigger. Yeah. So seven a where the Castavetes live. Also, it's very interesting. Like, so his name, the actor is John Cassavetes.
Speaker: Roman Polanski directed it. And then the character's name is Roman Castavetes. It's so confusing. Which is, i mean, it's from the book. Like there's no, they're not references to anything. It's just like,
Speaker: happenstance that that ah that that happened. so their apartment used to be a part of their, the other, the Castavats apartment and the walls are so thin they can hear a lot of stuff going on in the other apartment.
Speaker: So with subtitles on, you can tell what they're saying. I don't know if you could hear it. i I heard things, but i didn' I couldn't make out what they were saying. What what were they saying? one of the first things they they're they're saying is they're arguing about a woman. um And yeah they're like, you can't tell her. Like, we can't tell her yet. um And then you're putting it too high is another thing that they say at one point.
Speaker: And they they do, is the next thing that happens is they meet, the oh no, she the next thing that happens is that she goes to the laundry room. She to the laundry room and she meets um she meets whatever her name, what's her fuck? i Terry, yes.
Speaker: Terry, I was like, it starts with a T. Yeah. T-T-T-T-T. So she meets this woman in the laundry room. She and they kind of bond and she tells them about the cast of vets and she's living with the cast of vets in the apartment. And they're so nice. They found her on the street. She says she was she was a junkie. She was addicted to drugs and they took her in and they it she's like at first I thought it was weird a weird sex thing but it turns out. Yeah.
Speaker: they They're like the grandparents I never had and they treat her really well. And she has this necklace, this herb locket. And it smells real bad. She's like, it's tannis root is what's in it. And tannis root doesn't exist. It's not a real thing. It doesn't exist. It's it's it was fake. It was made up. Yeah. But it is this smelly herb locket that she wears and she shows it to Rosemary. and they're like, okay, well, this laundry room is creepy. Maybe we should be laundry buddies. she goes, oh, that would be nice.
Speaker: Yeah. EFFs. And she has nothing but good to say, good to say about the cast of X. And then that night they hear chanting in the apartment next door and a recorder playing, which is the creepiest musical instrument um to hear. Of course. yeah next or Yes.
Speaker: Super creepy, weird. And then what has a recorder? Oh, and then um and then there's some screaming, and ah we discover that... Because they're at home, right? They're coming home. They're they're walking home on the sidewalk, and the police are there. They're walking home. Okay. They're walking home from this from um a night out, and the police are all up in arms in front of their apartment building, and there's like a big group of people, and um we see...
Speaker: Uh, Terry's smashed in face. She's fallen off the building or been pushed off the building. We don't know what. And they're like, and there was a note end ah and Rosemary's like, what?
Speaker: That's my friend. yeah i know her. I know her. And they're like, well, tell us more about her. Do you know her last name? She's like, no I don't know her last name. i just know that I met her in the laundry room and she seemed really nice, but she's staying with the cast of vets, the cast vets. And then lo and behold, down the street, here come the cast of vets also coming home from a night out.
Speaker: And, um, they're like, are, do you guys know this lady, Terry, such and such. And they go, well, yes. And she's staying with us. And they go, well, I hate to tell you this, but, uh, it looks like she killed herself. And they go, absolutely not. That's a lie. Yeah.
Speaker: You're a liar. The cast of Etz are played by Ruth Gordon and Sydney Blackmer. um Ruth Gordon in tons of stuff. She won an Oscar for this movie for Best Supporting Actress. She, a couple years later, she did Harold and Maude, which is probably what she's most known for. um But she's fantastic in this. She is just the most obnoxious woman in the world.
Speaker: it right In addition, no even if she didn't want to sell your baby to Satan, like, she is so annoying as a neighbor. Like, I would move out if this woman happened to me. She constantly invites herself over. Like, at one point, her and another one of the ladies from the building come in because... Yeah, Laura Louise. She's also a character. Come in because Rosemary's like, i just want to stay home. um And Guy's like, well, I want to go to hang out with... um the cast of vets again because those are some fascinating stories. He loves the fucking cast of vets, this piece of shit.
Speaker: fucking loves them. And she's like, that's great. They're a little overwhelming for me so I'm going take some me time and stay at home. Mrs. Cast Vets comes over during her alone time with her friend and they just invite themselves in and then they bring out their knitting and their embroidery and they just start like knitting and doing sewing. Just fucking making themselves at home. Another thing about that. And she's like,
Speaker: Cool. Another thing about that scene is that the first thing she says is she goes, it's the first day of my period, which again, yeah, 1968, like even talking about your period in a movie is like,
Speaker: not unheard of but very very shocking and very and rare yeah yeah yeah and and then and then they're like oh yeah if it was the first day of my period i'd be curled up in bed i wouldn't be dealing with anyone at all well they're they've just intruded they've had the change though so they don't have to worry about it anymore because all of these people are extremely old yeah They're all so fucking old, which leads me to my first question, which is everyone in this building that is in their little club. They're all so fucking old. Wouldn't they ask Satan to make them young?
Speaker: i don't know if they I don't know if they have that power. You know, it says that they have the power to curse people. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, there are a few younger people. perks There are a few younger people that come in. Yeah, there's one. yeah so like The guy with the camera at the end. And then there's the and then the like Greek guy. Weird Italian guy. Or Italian. Whatever he is. yeah Maybe he's Italian. Whatever. Yeah. um The night of, we got ahead of ourselves a little bit. The night of Terry's death, yeah Rosemary overhears in the apartment next door. um I told you we couldn't tell her. I told you she wouldn't be open-minded.
Speaker: And Rosemary is hearing this. And then she has this dream sequence where it's one of three dream sequences in the movie where she is like, the words that are coming from the apartment next door are being put in the mouths of this nun and this, like supposedly the these memories from her past.
Speaker: Yeah. And this nun is lip syncing what Ruth Gordon is saying. And it doesn't make any sense. And they're pointing up at a window, which is, you know, she jumped it. Like it's all very, it's very, very cool. um I like the dream sequences in this a lot. um And it's very- Yeah, the dream sequences really good. It's very realistic to a dream where it's like things don't make sense and there's like things that are recognizable and things that aren't and like it's all kind of floating together. It's it's really cool.
Speaker: It does also lead me to my second question of the film, which is in the second dream sequence, which we'll get more into what that really is. yeah But all the listeners need to know is that right now is that it takes place on a boat and it takes place with her family on a boat. yeah And so does this, do we think that um Fox, the movie studio was so inspired by Rosemary's baby that they were like, for their children's film, Anastasia, they were like... No, I don't think so. Should we... Whatever you're about to say, I don't think Should we parallel this dream sequence for Anastasia's crazy dream sequence from Rosemary's Baby? Because, like, they're very similar. Listen, I mean, Don... They're very, very similar. Bluth definitely put a lot of adult themes in his cartoon movies, but I... I would have to see it again. don't remember well enough to be able to tell you. don't know. I feel like he was like Rosemary's baby. would have defer to your judgment on that.
Speaker: the second The second dream sequence, that's going to be Anastasia's ah almost kill herself dream sequence. I doubt it. I doubt it. I'm just.
Speaker: Cinema. Okay. So Minnie, Minnie and Roman Castavetes, Minnie asks them over for dinner and Rosemary kind of gets backed into a corner on it.
Speaker: um Guy didn't get the part. That's important. It went to Paul Baumgart. He lost out. there's a lost out. There's a lot of names in this that are just kind of like- So many. A syllable off, like Castavets, Baumgart, like not Baumgartner, but Baumgart. Yeah. Like things are a little yeah a little off. Now there's a reason why it's Castavets, but we'll get there in a minute.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. And at first, guy doesn't want to do it. He's like, listen, i don't want to be friends with the old people in the but in the building. And she's like, no, no, no. Well, yeah it'll it'll be just this one thing, and then we'll move on. And then they have the dinner scene with them, which is like the first thing they say is like, all religions are terrible, and we're atheists, and don't you think so? And she's like, well, I was raised Catholic, but I don't really know what I am. Yeah.
Speaker: She's like, I don't know. And Minnie is pressing her. And she's like, and you you haven't had any babies, but you have siblings. Do they have babies? And she goes, oh, yes. One of my sisters has four children. Which brings us to the question, like, where the hell are Rosemary's family?
Speaker: where Where is her family? Her parents don't even visit her when she's pregnant? Right. Right. And an entire, like, year basically passes. Yeah. pass it yeah And her family does is nowhere to be seen. So and I mean, it's not like she does. She's not like, yeah I don't talk to my family. There's no, there's nothing. We don't get anything. Yeah.
Speaker: I wonder if there's like something in the book about it or if they're in California or like, well, she's from Omaha, like past and future guest Madison Smith. Ah, yes. Or if they're back in Nebraska or like, who knows? Who knows?
Speaker: Roman starts talking to Guy about acting and he starts flattering him. And he's like, Oh, I saw you in Luther and you did this gesture. And he's obviously like, like making it up. He's like, what was the gesture you did? I can't remember it. Like you tell me the thing that you did that I liked. Yeah. He's doing like classic baiting. Yeah. And he's like, well, I'm friends with lots of stage people. You know, my father was a theatrical producer, et cetera, et cetera. And he's like, I know this person. I could tell you stories about the old days of Broadway.
Speaker: And they have this whole thing where like he starts listening to Roman stories. And as soon as they're leaving, he's like, you know, I really liked Roman stories. think I'm going to go back the next night to hear more of Roman stories. And just like, you want to be friends with the old guy all of a sudden? He's like, yeah. Yeah. And that's the night when we talked about where Minnie invites herself over. Yeah, where Minnie and- Yeah, with her and her other girl. And um poor Rosemary's just like, I just wanted a minute alone. She'd put on a jazz vinyl. She does like exactly what I'm going to do Reading Sammy Davis Jr.'s biography.
Speaker: Oh, was like, what? I didn't know what book she was reading, but okay. um She's curled up on the couch reading Sammy Davis Jr.'s biography, listening to jazz. She's all cozy. And then she's got to like, let these ladies in. She like, you know, begrudgingly turns off the the vinyl. Yeah. And then has to like sit and have a conversation. She's like, oh oh my God. One thing they said, I, I, I,
Speaker: When they left the apartment for the first time, Rosemary is like, they took all the pictures down. And he's like, what? Yeah. She's like, yeah, there were. Like the pictures. that Yeah. There was markings where the pictures were. And then the paint pictures that were up didn't fit. Didn't fit the space. Yeah. you know Yeah. And he's like, oh, I'm sure that's normal.
Speaker: Um, when Minnie is over, when she invites herself, she gives Rosemary the necklace, Terry's necklace. She's like, here's this. want you to have this, this it's Tannis root. It's, it's good luck. And she's like, it smells. And she's like, you'll get used to it. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. You'll get used to it. Don't worry about it. And then guy comes home and he, and she tells him he gave her the necklace and he's like, you should wear it. And she's like, I'm not going to wear it. It smells. i'm going to put it away. And he's like, she gave it to you. Wear it.
Speaker: It's like, this guy's bad news. Yeah. Right? He knows something. And she's like, no, I'm going put it in this drawer. And the next day, like how quickly must they have sussed out like how amoral Guy was that like literally in two meetings, they they make the deal with him because it's the very next day that Paul Baumgart goes blind. And yeah now Guy gets the part in this play. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, and so this was like the test run to like see if, you know, guys like, I'm sure, because I envision that they have a conversation where he's just like, oh, okay, yeah, yeah you can make my my career, you know, sore. Well, prove it to me. Yeah. Prove it to me.
Speaker: And so like, this is them proving it. At first he feels bad. Like, I think it's genuine that he feels bad this happened, but you know, he's he's too ambitious. He's too greedy and he doesn't care about anything except for himself.
Speaker: And he suddenly it's things are going well for him. And now he's focused on his career and Rosemary is neglected. We have these handheld on location in New York shots, which are super cool, like on the sidewalk and the street and stuff.
Speaker: He apologizes to her and says, hey, let's have a baby. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, let's have a baby. I'm so sorry. I've been ignoring you Let's have a baby. Let's have a baby because that's what you want because you're a woman. And she goes, abso-fucking-lutely it's what I want. she does want a baby. And like here's the thing. like yeah You're a housewife in the 60s. You don't really have rights.
Speaker: um Yeah. you you You have nothing to do during the day. Like yeah having a baby makes sense, you know, like, yeah and it's not like I don't want a baby now, but like, especially then for her, like, yeah, a baby is, you know, it's something to, to give your life meaning really, you know? Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. and It was prescribed that way. I mean, that's what you were expected to do, but yeah, it's why there was the baby boom. Yeah. Yeah. And then they have a romantic baby dinner, which is, of course, interrupted by fucking many... i want to call it Saperstein. Saperstein's the doctor. Many ah cast events.
Speaker: Yeah, and she comes in and she's like, um and you don't see her interaction with a Guy. You just see Rosemary the table going, don't come in. Don't invite yourself in. Don't invite yourself in. And um luckily she doesn't. she like She goes away and Guy comes back. He's just like, she just wanted to give us these chocolate mousses. Look at these chocolate mousses with two very different distinct toppings on them. Don't ask yourself about it. Yeah, you take this one. your This one's for you. Yeah. This one's for you. mouse as ah as mini house Chocolate mouse, mouse.
Speaker: Yeah. And... um She starts to eat it and she's like, oh, there's ah there's a chalky undertaste. And he's like, no, there's not. Eat it. Yeah. Eat it. Yeah. She's like, don't what talking about. You're crazy. And she's like, I don't like it very much. he goes, my God. Our neighbors made it. And he like guilt trips her into like eating more of it. Which, why on earth? She goes, am I such a good wife? Look at me eating my chocolate mouse. Would anyone do that? Like, what does she think his fucking problem is? Right, well, he's just being a dick is what I gather. But like, it's obvious that he's trying to poison her, you know?
Speaker: Exactly, exactly. And he walks away and he's just like, okay, whatever, you do you. And she's like, nom, nom, nom. And then she dumps out a shit ton of it into her napkin. ah She had a little bit it, but not enough. Yeah, not enough, baby. And then she like feels faint and she collapses yeah in the hallway and he like puts her to bed. Yeah.
Speaker: Yep. And he starts undressing her and she goes, why are you doing that? And he goes, going to make you comfortable. Yeah. And this is the most disturbing scene in in this and and many movies.
Speaker: Many movies in cinema history. This is the Anastasia dream sequence. Jesus Christ. ah because She's on a boat.
Speaker: She's on at first she's on a bed in like the ocean. Yeah. And then she's on a boat with all these people that we don't recognize. And yes and some some we do, like the the the guy who showed me the apartment is there, I think.
Speaker: Yeah. And again, it's doing the lip syncing thing where they're like, is is I don't know if she's out. And then someone's like, if she ate the mouse, she's out. Don't worry about it.
Speaker: Yeah. Right. Because her eyes are open and he's like, she looks like she's awake. She looks like she can see everything. And she goes, no, no, no. no She, it just looks that way. long as she ate the mouse, she's like dead. Yeah. Yeah. And there's this green kind of smoke, uh, that's superimposed on the image. Um, she's suddenly in the Sistine Chapel. Um, then she's, yeah she takes off all her clothes. She takes off her wedding ring.
Speaker: And there's suddenly a bunch of naked old people standing around them. And John Cassavetes and everyone's naked and they're chanting. Yeah. And then she's like scratched all over. yeah And they paint her with like yeah red paint.
Speaker: And John Cass is tied up. John Cassavetes is on top of her for a minute and then it's replaced by This I mean the devil a monster. The devil. There's these hands. The literal That are scratching her and then these mostly you He's got these eyes. See these eyes. These really terrifying eyes.
Speaker: Yeah they're like cat eyes but they're red. Yeah yeah. They've got like little slits um and they're they're terrifying and then you see that she's being raped by Satan himself. Yes yes.
Speaker: um and He's grinding all over her. the net He's having a great time. the next morning, she wakes up. Oh, my God. Guy is like, hey, dummy, wake up. It's late. Yeah.
Speaker: Hey, we slept in. I got to be at this thing at 10. It's nine o'clock. Get up. She's naked. You got to make me breakfast. He's like, eat out. And he's like, no way. you have to make me breakfast. Like, fuck you, dude. Fuck you. And then, again, again even if like none of the Satan shit happened, these people are the fucking worst.
Speaker: Right. But then she like gets up and she sees that she's got like all of these horrible scratch marks all over her. And he comes in he goes, oh yeah, don't worry. Note taken. I am tripping, trimming them tonight. And she goes, what? And he goes, yeah, I didn't want to miss baby night. Didn't want to miss ah baby night.
Speaker: So I had sex with your unconscious body while you were passed out. Because she was like, ah, what time did i fall asleep? He goes, you didn't fall asleep. You passed out. Yeah. Oh, yeah. And I had sex with your unconscious body. She's like, while I was out? And he's like, sorry. That's the excuse that he uses. like Yeah, he's like, I was a little loaded too. Yeah, that's the that is the the quote normal thing he uses to excuse what actually happened, which is- right fucking wild right and he's just like yeah it was kind of hot in a necrophiliac way and i was like what king the it's the 60s man fucking crazy ah um ah she goes to see the obstetrician a very young charles grodin And he is like, okay, well, that's great. Yeah, you're you're you're probably going to be due. You're pregnant. You know, congratulations. You know, it's a month passes. A month passes, we should say. Yeah, yeah, yeah. and And she's just like crossing her fingers and then they they get the call and they're like, you're pregnant. Yeah. June 28th is the um the due date or 666, as you might write the month and year calendar. Oh, I just got that.
Speaker: And Charles Gordon is like, okay, I'll prescribe you some pills. And here's, you know, his name is Dr. Hill. And- and He's a very nice young man. She tells Guy and he's like, oh, we got to tell the the cast of vets. She's like, what the fuck are you talking about? we don't have to tell the cast of vets.
Speaker: And also it's like early days. I'm pretty sure still in the 60s it was like so early you shouldn't tell anybody time. No, I mean, even now, like you don't want to tell anybody until you're mostly through the first trimester, I think, usually, right? Yeah, you don't want to tell anyone for safety reasons until you're 12 weeks because – any time within those 12 weeks, like it's your chances of like, um, miscarriage or high. yeah Yeah. And even more so in the sixties.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly. there's like really They were just all so smoking and drinking, which is what they all do around Rosemary, including giving her booze yeah all the time. Yeah. There's this really sad scene where she's like looking in the mirror going, you're pregnant, you're pregnant. yeah like ah So sad.
Speaker: ah He brings the fucking cast of X over, interrupts all of this. And they're like, oh, you got to get Dr. Saperstein immediately. You have to fuck Dr. Hill. He's the best.
Speaker: Yeah. Yeah. Dr. Hill's a nobody. You want Saperstein. Saperstein is the most important doctor, and he's not going to give you any of those, like, important doctor rates, neither. Yeah.
Speaker: And ah so Dr. Saperstein is obviously involved with their cult. And he's like, vitamins. You don't need prenatal vitamins. Yeah. He's like, that's a bunch of hokum. Mini Castavetes is going to make you a milkshake every day with fucking Tannis root in it. And you'll drink that and that'll be great.
Speaker: Right? He's like, don't listen to any of those nonsense. Oh, yeah. And then he also tells her, don't read any books. Yes. he's like Reading is for crazies. He's like, now I don't want you to have any ideas. I don't want you thinking for yourself. You listen to me, the man, and I will tell you what's going on with your body. Like this yeah whole movie is so very much not only about women in the 1960s and how society uses their biological processes against them. Like, yeah, women have periods, women have babies. And because of this society
Speaker: has to shelter you, right? Has to protect you, has to like, so all of these things, all of these, these rights that you're denied are for your own protection, right? That's the way it's told.
Speaker: And you're fragile. You have to, the baby is the most more important thing. And the baby is who you are. Like this movie is not called Rosemary. The movie is called Rosemary's baby. The main character in the, in the movie is the baby.
Speaker: And yes especially when you're pregnant, you are depersonalized. You're not Rosemary anymore. you lose your autonomy. Your mom and your mom forever. And yeah you you lose yourself to that to that baby. And this is kind of just a a horrific, fantastic take on that very real phenomenon, which happened in the 60s and still happens today.
Speaker: Yes, exactly. So yeah, he's like, don't read any books. Don't do anything. Do exactly what I'm telling you to do. Don't take any pills like any of those like crazy modern ladies. Every other friend that you have is insane. Who's had babies is insane. They didn't know how to do it. I'm going to tell you to do it. listen women. Listen to men is what she's told yeah repeatedly. And the only actual help she ever gets in this movie is from women.
Speaker: is from her friends from her friends and not from from men and fucking mini cast of ads yeah yeah mini cast of ads we're not counting as a woman yes exactly she's lost she's not an ally she's lost her woman card she's lost her woman card and then she goes to vidasa soon which is very interesting to me because it is the one thing she can control and much like many people who are in abusive relationships or in some kind of of abuse in general you You control the things you can control and you take control of the things that you can. And what's yeah what's very telling in this movie is, so she gets a pixie cut. that's That's the thing. Yep.
Speaker: She goes to Vidal. Just like Twiggy. Sassoon and gets a pixie cut. It's very big in the 60s. And she looks fabulous my opinion. looks amazing. Like it looks great on her. I love a pixie cut. If I got a pixie cut, I'd look like Tobey Maguire. So we can't do that. Yeah.
Speaker: but Yeah. I also could not do a pixie cut. I think my head's too big. I admire women who can do a pixie cut. um Right. Right. It's gorgeous. And the thing about it even as the months go on and even as she like supposedly goes all in, you know, in the later half of her pregnancy, she keeps getting her hair cut.
Speaker: Like it doesn't grow out. She keeps the hair cut. yeah Six months go by and her hair is exactly the same length because – I mean, well, because they shot it all together. But yeah the other reason is that she is still having – she's still asserting some control over her own life because nobody likes the haircut. Everyone's like – Everybody hates it. Especially she walks in immediately and Guy goes, what the hell did you do to yourself? And every time anyone sees her from then on for the first time, everyone goes – you look terrible. Well, I don't think we can blame that on Hutch, for example, because in that first part, she does look terrible. like Yeah, it's because she's like not eating, she's so skinny, even though she's pregnant, and yeah and she's like got these giant bags under her eyes. um like that That's why. But like I just think it's so funny that everyone's just like, you look awful. And she continues to get her hair cut. She she hasn't- telling this lady that she has she she hasn't given up completely she hasn't given up control of herself 100% even in the at the worst of it um yeah yeah at first she looks really bad she's like super pale she's got these bags under her eyes they they make her up yeah like she's she's so pale and and thin like she hasn't gained any weight from the pregnancy
Speaker: Her teeth are yellow. um Yeah. And they're like, this is not. She's not doing great. It's not right. Like, this isn't what you should look like at this point in your pregnancy. And she's like, i don't know. Dr. Saperstein says it's fine. And she's in constant pain. said it'll go away. She's like, the pain will go away tomorrow is what he says. She has this sharp pain. And Dr. Saperstein says, don't worry about it. Everything's fine.
Speaker: She's like, well, I thought it might be an ectopic pregnancy. And it's like, who taught you the fucking word ectopic pregnancy? You get that word out of your mouth. Did you read a book? I told you not to read a book. Yeah, it's... Stop reading books, you idiot. God, it's so...
Speaker: Like this is a horror movie with almost with very little horror in it. you know Yeah, there is the horror is from the contents. The horror is, it's it's a it's a paranoid thriller where everything is justified. Like you should be paranoid because everyone's out to get you. There's a plot against her, as she says.
Speaker: Yeah. Because sometimes people plot against each other. Most of the time you're paranoid, but sometimes they're out to get you. And it is just, it just gives you that claustrophobic, like everything is closing in, even though you're in the biggest city in the country and you're surrounded by people, you're so alone. No one will help you. Like the poster for this, i have, hold a second.
Speaker: My friend Richard, friend of the show, painted this for me. It's the poster for this without any text. so That's gorgeous. Right? Yeah. yeah it's just a baby carriage uh an old-fashioned pram on this rocky cliff with this sickly green background which does not appear in the movie and under any uh under any circumstances but it's very mood and the the tagline for this was yeah pray for rosemary's baby which is like such a good tagline that's so evocative like
Speaker: Somebody help Rosemary Woodhouse. Like no one will help her. That is the horror of this movie. No one will help her. And she's She's eating super raw, like was barely cooked yeah steak. um Oh, it's a liver. Oh, yeah. Barely cooked steak. And then she like later takes a chicken liver. Later she's eating raw chicken livers. Yeah. And then she gets sick. yeah would Yeah. Which is ah Mia Farrow actually ate raw chicken liver for this movie. Of course.
Speaker: And she's a vegetarian. Oh, um yeah. Mia Farrow did a lot of insane things for this movie. I have a feeling it was asked for by Roman Polanski.
Speaker: Also, a little bit of Emma's fun facts. Emma's fun facts. She left Frank Sinatra for to make this movie. And like he was like, I don't want you to make a movie. want you to stay at home she like a good little girl. married to Frank Sinatra. God, she was so young. How old was so young Frank Sinatra?
Speaker: Too old. Yeah, absolutely insane. um very uncomfortable uh and so she left she like left him yeah left their marriage to come make this movie and her i want to say her agent or her friend at the time was just like don't worry you'll win an oscar for this yeah um your the demise of your relationship is going to be worth it and famously this is one of the world's biggest oscar nomination snubs of all time oh yeah she wasn't even nominated yeah Mia Farrow wasn't even nominated for her incredible work in this movie she so he's 30 years older than her he said he was 50 and she was 20 when they got married that's disgusting yeah it's pretty pretty bad that's not great um let's take a look at the 1969 Oscars yeah and see what was nominated
Speaker: 41st Academy Awards Best Picture went to Oliver which oh no I'm sorry sure I'm sorry there's Oliver Best Directing went to Oliver Cliff Robertson and Charlie as Best Actor which again is like these these are ah these are slim Academy Awards alright so Best Actress nominees we have Joanne Woodward in Rachel Rachel um which is that Rochelle Rochelle? Is that how you pronounce that? I think that might be Rochelle Rochelle. Yeah.
Speaker: I think they never name a movie Rachel. Rachel. rachel Vanessa Redgrave as Isadora in is in as playing Isadora Duncan, the dancer. We have Patricia Neal, famous actress. The subject was roses, which is a play. I think I don't know. um And then we had two winners, a tie, the rare tie for best actress 1968.
Speaker: Catherine Hepburn for The Lion in Winter. pretty oh Pretty good performance. Pretty solid. And Barbra Streisand in Funny Girl. So, you know. Oh, okay. Okay. Okay. But like, not even nominated? Well, it was only nominated for two Oscars. was nominated for Best Screenplay and Best Supporting Actress. And it won Best Supporting Actress for Ruth Borden.
Speaker: i mean to be fair she's very obnoxious but this movie i mean the um best picture nominees were rochelle rochelle romeo and juliet the lion and winter funny girl and oliver like honestly i i haven't seen i've seen all those movies except for rochelle rochelle but like yeah the lion and winter is is good sure yeah the this is the franco zaffirelli romeo and juliet which again is good oh also has nudity in it for example it's another 60s movie also has nudity um famously featured Oliver like I don't know I would put Rosemary's Baby above all of these movies again but this is one of my favorite movies of all time I have to say yeah so exactly so like you're a little biased but I mean come at like look at these but these are such like old Hollywood movies like they're adaptations of big plays they're music two musicals two famous play at stage adaptations and then Rochelle Rochelle which I don't even know what it's about
Speaker: What even is Rochelle Rochelle? directed by directed by Paul Newman, starring Joanne Woodward, his wife. h This does seem more like a more kind of new Hollywood kind of thing.
Speaker: Like, it's, I don't know. We'll see. Man, I mean, I've heard of it. So, you know, it might be, yeah maybe it's good. Who knows? I didn't know Paul Newman directed that. But Rosemary's Baby is just a completely different movie from from most of the other nominees here. yeah Wait, hold on a second. 2001 wasn't even nominated?
Speaker: That's wild. Oh, right? it was that this is This is a case in point that ah the Oscars are made up. That's true. It's dumb. that's true Everything is stupid. So Stanley Kubrick was nominated for Best Director for 2001, but it wasn't nominated for Best Picture, which is, that's wild.
Speaker: Anyway. That's insane. Back to Rosemary's baby. Where were we? So she's pregnant. yeah. Hutch. And she's not doing well. And Hutch is like, Jesus Christ, girl. Like, you need to, like, get it. Like, what is going on? Like, are something's not right. And she's just like, I don't know. I mean, like, maybe maybe I'm just sort of like...
Speaker: you know, I'm just not in a good place with my pregnancy and it's going to pass any day. Thanks to Saperstein. Yeah. And he's just like, what is that smell? What's that ugly necklace? And she goes, Oh, well this is tennis root. He's like, it doesn't look like a root.
Speaker: That looks real weird. It looks like a mold or a fungus. Yeah. Yeah. And he's like, well, I'm going to look into this. And of course Roman comes over and it's like, What's happening? Hey, what's going on? You got somebody over?
Speaker: Let me in. Right. um ah Right. And she introduces him and they have this conversation and then he leaves. And then moments later, ah guy comes out, comes rushing in, still wearing his makeup from the stage, which she says he never does.
Speaker: And um he is he leads Hutch out and Hutch suddenly comes back and is like, hey, I'm missing a glove. And they're like, oh, and they look in the closet and it's like, oh, your glove is gone. And they can't find it. And they can't find it. It's like, must have left it somewhere else.
Speaker: And he leaves. And then Guy is suddenly like, hey, I'm going to go for a walk. And he leaves. Yeah. And if you're listening, you can hear the doorbell next door ring because he's taking the glove to give to the cast of vets. The cast of vets.
Speaker: Yeah. The cast of vets. Um, and so like later that night she's in bed, she's just sort of like lying there and, um, Hutch calls and he's like, Hey, um, I did that research and, um, I need to talk to you. And she's like, okay, you're talking to me now. And he goes, no, I need to talk to you in person. Uh, what are you doing tomorrow? Let's meet at the time life building at, at such and such a clock. And she's like, okay, well first he's like, have you left the house?
Speaker: Yeah. She's like, well, I haven't really left the house, but I can. Yeah. And so they arranged to meet at the time life building the next day. So there is one one there is one man she can trust. this This man does have her best interest at heart. Yeah.
Speaker: Exactly. and um And Guy is so annoyed that Hutch has like called in the middle of his like baseball game that he's watching or whatever. It's stupid. ah And he's just like, I don't understand why your friends are calling. it such a laid out. Mar, mar, mar, mar, mar.
Speaker: And um so then she like goes out to meet him. It's like Christmas time and she's in Times Square. There's like, you know, a guy dressed as Santa taking money for the Salvation Army. It looks cold. Everything looks so cold. um And she's waiting in her little cute little jacket um and hat for ages for Hutch. And he never shows up.
Speaker: So she she's like she goes inside she um to like use the telephone. So she calls his building and she's like, where's Hutch? We were supposed to have lunch. And she gets is it his wife or who is this lady?
Speaker: um She says that her last name is different. I'm not sure who she is, but she's somebody who knows him. And yeah she's like, yeah, he's in a coma in the hospital. Like he slipped into a coma. No one knows why. Like, oh, it was very mysterious. And then, of course, she runs into fucking Minnie on the street. She can't get away from this bitch. They're like, they're tailing her. Yeah.
Speaker: Right. She's like, i was just going to do some. Every movement. Yeah. Yeah. Well, they hear her, they can hear when she leaves and like when she's opening her door and stuff. And so like, as she's about to go out, um, Minnie's just like, where are you going? What you doing? And she's like, oh, well, i I'm going to go meet a friend for lunch because when she's out on the street, Minnie goes, you saying that you were leaving the house inspired me to go do some Christmas shopping. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: They, they can't get, she can't get away from them. Yeah. Yeah. They have a New Year's party. It's 1966. The cultist people are all like, it's the year one She's like, I'm going to ignore that. I don't know what that means.
Speaker: I don't know what that means. And now she's she's really turned against them at this point. and she's like She has this argument with guys. She's like, i want to have a party with our young friends. Like, not our old... She's so tired of hanging out with... With these fucking old people. And he is, and then she really, she really gets kind of um harsh with him ah where ah she's like, oh, haven't you heard the pain will go away any day?
Speaker: Yeah. where He's yeah trying to convince her not to do it. He wants to alienate her as much as possible. This is such a gaslighting movie. Like an asshole. This is like very much everyone in this is trying to convince her that it's all in her head. Everyone is trying to convince her that it's crazy. Don't listen to anybody. Listen to me. Listen to the authority. Listen to the doctor. Listen to your husband.
Speaker: Yeah. Don't listen to yourself. Yeah. she She does. She has this party with her friends and all of these young people are in the apartment and it feels like this breath of fresh air and everyone is yeah suddenly nice so to her. Everyone cares about her all of a sudden. Yeah.
Speaker: And it's so wonderful and it's so great. And um like Minnie and uh and what's his face try to barge their way into it when they're telling them and that they're gonna have this party they're oh well I'll be bartender they're like no no no she's like no no no don't worry we've hired a bartender she's like oh well I'll pass out like dishes and so she's like no please yeah I don't want you to worry yourself anything with this like let me just have this place yes get out of my apartment lay off you bitch you bitch get out of here and then so she's in pain she breaks down at the party and all of her female friends are like what the fuck is happening with you and she's just like I've been in pain for um three months and they're like I'm sorry what and they've all had children presumably and so they're all like that's not okay you're something is wrong your body is telling you that something is wrong you need to this Dr. Saperstein sounds like a quack yeah and um you need to get a second opinion
Speaker: And so the party ends and- Well, lock Guy out of the room to tell her this too because he's trying to get in between them. He's always trying to control her as much as possible. And yeah, it's this tiny moment of victory for her where they lock him out of the room and it's like, finally, you have people who care about you. Yeah.
Speaker: Right. Finally, you have someone that's listening to you. And um and so then after the party is done, she's just like, I want to get a second opinion. i want to go to Dr. um Dr. Hill. Yeah. And he's like, yeah no you won't.
Speaker: Yeah, he's like, oh, so now I've got to pay for two doctors? And she was like, I'm not going to go to him as a doctor. I just want a second opinion. My friend said that I should get a second opinion. And he goes, what do they know? They're all idiots. Blah, blah, blah. He calls them bitches. like He's like, don't listen to those bitches. Those bitches, like they they don't care about you. I care about you.
Speaker: Dr. Saperstein will recommend another doctor for a second opinion. And she's like, that's not the point. The point is- That's so stupid. I don't trust him. And he gets so angry with her.
Speaker: her Her pain is is not important to him. um Yeah. And he she is had they're having this argument and then suddenly the pain just stops. Yeah. Almost supernaturally, one might say.
Speaker: Right. Right. It just all of a sudden. b Yeah. And now she's under their control again. Like, and she forgets everything. yeah And she's so happy. She's just so happy that she feels great. And then we get this like sort of montage of her super pregnant. prepping the nursery, they're putting up wallpaper, everything's yellow. It's the yellow and this is so good because yellow is like at first like when she like she wears that cute little yellow dress like when they're first moving in and she looks so sunny and bright. But then like there's this one sickly shade of yellow as well. And it also reminds yeah me of um of the yellow wallpaper, which I'm not sure if it was intentional. But um Charlotte Perkins Gilman has a short story called The Yellow Wallpaper. Did you ever read that?
Speaker: It's about a woman who has had her agency taken away by her, um by her, her, the people. And but I don't remember if it's her husband or her family. I think it's both, but she's going crazy in this room, isolated, like drifting into the yellow wallpaper is what it is. And the yellow wallpaper is this symbol for a woman's lack of agency. So I think if not Polanski, maybe the production designer or, or someone like, I feel like it's a pretty famous story. So I feel like yeah maybe it was intentional.
Speaker: And Hutch is dead. It's months later. And she's like, I never even visited him. I forgot completely about it. They really did a number on her. um They really did. And she's like, oh, my God, I forgot that he was in a coma. Yeah. um So they go she goes to the funeral. Guy doesn't go.
Speaker: And she meets this woman who has this book to give her. And it's wrapped in paper. And she's like, Hutch wanted you to have this. And.
Speaker: Sorry. No, no. We need to tell the listeners about this. As I'm talking, Emma from off screen is handed a gallon of milk.
Speaker: She sniffs it and like nods and gives a thumbs up to I presume Charlie who can't smell. Charlie. He can't smell. He doesn't have a good sense of smell and he, um since COVID. and Oh no. Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make fun of him then.
Speaker: She's sorry. She didn't mean to make fun of you. um he He just he can never tell if the milk is good or bad. And so he needs me to check it. Okay, that's actually that's that that's actually sad. I'm sorry.
Speaker: nice
Speaker: He had sour milk on his cereal once and he couldn't tell. Oh, that sucks. He's fine. Yeah. Don't feel sorry for him. Okay. Feel sorry for me. i have to put my nose in the milk. You have to smell the milk.
Speaker: um lost my agency she's left him a book the book and and she says the name is an anagram And she is given this book. The book is called All of Them Witches, which is so evocative. Yeah.
Speaker: Such a good title. And she's looking through it. And it's about Adrienne Mercado, this Aleister Crowley figure who lived in the building and was attacked and nearly killed outside the building.
Speaker: There's a picture of him. And then they he he has underlined things for her. One of them is like they use a fungus called the devil's pepper. what Tannis root Not Tannis root. And she has this thing where she gets out the Scrabble board because like, it's so visually great to do anagrams with Scrabble pieces. Yeah. And Charlie at first was just like, what the, that's so stupid. Cause he thought that she was going to put it on the Scrabble board. and ah And then as she's like, got it out, he goes, actually, that's pretty smart. No, it's super smart. Yeah. It's way better than having to to write it out. And it's, it's, you know, visually interesting for the film too. Uh, since she, first she's trying to anagram all of them, which is,
Speaker: And she comes up with a bunch of silly stuff. Just nonsense, yeah. And none of that works. And then she's like, she didn't say the title. She said the name is an anagram. Yeah. And so she's looking and she sees a photo. And then it says Adrian Mercado with his son, Stephen. And Stephen is underlined twice. So she writes out Stephen Mercado and moves the letters around and it spells out Roman Castavet.
Speaker: yeah Which like, you change your name, but you make it an anagram because you're just kooky like that. Because you're you're just so kooky. You're crazy. You're kooky. You're altogether spooky. You could make your name anything, but instead I'm going to make it a way that's identifiable.
Speaker: Right. I'm going to make it so that people can find me if they really, really love Scrabble. Yeah. Now, unfortunately, she still trusts Dr. Saperstein and she goes to Saperstein and she tells him about it. Well, she tells Guy and she tells Saperstein. They're both like, okay, well, yeah, that's wild. Yeah.
Speaker: And Saperstein is like, well, if I had a kooky dad, I'd change my last name too. Saperstein is like, well, I guess it's reasonable. He, he would change his name, but you know, you shouldn't let him know that you know this. It would be very upsetting for him. He's dying. Yeah.
Speaker: And that he wants to go to Europe. Here's the first that you've ever heard of it. He's dying and he wants to go to Europe for the one last time, but he didn't want to leave you alone. So maybe just let him go and don't let him know that, you know, and it'll be nice and he'll be out of your life either way. And she's like, okay. Yeah. And I'll tell him.
Speaker: That you're cool with it. um So this the the cast of Vets leave for Europe and she has a moment's peace for once in her life. Yep. For once in her fucking life. And Guy is like Guy throws the fucking book away and she's like it was from Hutch you asshole. He goes oh I didn't think about that.
Speaker: Before he died. And then she walks into traffic. at Which they actually filmed like while walking into traffic with Roman Mkhlanski with like a handheld behind her. And they like just, they didn't, none of it is stunted. It's all just Mia Farrow because nobody's going to hit a pregnant lady. Yeah. Yeah. um She drops the necklace down a storm drain and she buys some books on witchcraft and she reads that the coven could blind or kill somebody by getting a, pe by getting an item of their clothing. She's like, well, they had the glove. And so she calls Donald Baumgart.
Speaker: Who is Tony Curtis, the voice of Tony Curtis. Oh, didn't know that. Yeah. And he's blind and he's like trying to write a play because, you know, he's lost his job acting. And she is like, I'm so sorry. What happened to you? You know, Guy and I feel terrible. And she's like, Guy, um I'm sorry I didn't come with you when Guy visited you. And he's like, Guy didn't visit me. was like, oh, you mean when we met for drinks? And she's like, oh yeah, that must be it. And she's like, he has something of yours. And he's like, he has my tie? goes, yeah, we switched ties. we can I can get it back. And she's like, okay, okay, yeah, yeah, no worries. I gotta go. And she hangs up. And so like, Guy got something from him.
Speaker: Guy got his tie. she She's figured out that Guy is involved. Finally. Yeah. Yep. And she doesn't trust anybody. So she packs her little suitcase. She takes some random cash that she's been storing away all over the house. Yeah.
Speaker: And she she beelines it for anywhere drapplin her apartment. She goes to Dr. Saperstein's office. For Dr. Saperstein. Oh, yeah. She goes to Dr. Saperstein's office. And she's there waiting and um hanging out. Everyone's like, wow, you're ready ready to pop.
Speaker: And the lady's like, I don't know if Dr. Saperstein can see you um because he's only here until five and he still has to see this other patient. And she's just like, oh, it's an emergency. He has to see me. He has to see me.
Speaker: And so she's like, okay, well, we'll see. And so then she comes back out after taking in the other lady and she's like, he'll see you after her. And um then she's like, wow, your perfume smells really nice. What is that? And she goes, oh, it's such and such um actual perfume. And she goes, well, it's really nice than what you used to have. And she goes, oh, yeah, that was just this good luck charm.
Speaker: that I had it was a gift and I threw it away and she goes yeah well maybe maybe Miss Dr. Saperstein will follow suit once he smells you she goes what and she goes yeah he it must be his aftershave or something or I don't know it smelled similar to that smell I smell similar to what that smell was like maybe it's like something medicinal or like some sort of lotion i don't know whatever it is it smells awful And Rosemary's like, oh, fuck. She's like, I gotta go in the hallway for a second to talk to my husband, who's definitely here. um I'll be right back.
Speaker: Don't ask questions. She picks up the Time magazine or ah that has Is God Dead on the cover of it. Is God Dead, yes. 1966, which is a real thing, yeah. And then she goes to the phone booth and it's this really like, it's this really great scene. Like it's just so close on her and she's in the phone booth and this, everything's closing in. She's completely enclosed on all four sides. There's people behind her. Like she's trying to like, she calls Dr. Hill's answering service and she's like, do I need to talk to Dr. Hill. I have, um it's an important. And she's like, okay, well I'll tell him.
Speaker: To call you back. And she's like, have him call me back. And she's sitting there holding the the receiver down so the phone can ring if it needs to. she's pretending to talk on the phone because there's woman behind her. And it's just so perfectly paced. And then the phone rings and like, Dr. Hill. she's like, no, what was your name again? she's like, fuck, okay. Slams it down. Dr. Hill calls back. She's like, I need to talk to you. And he's like, well, I'm at home. And she's like, please, please. It's an emergency. i you know, I trust, i went to this other doctor and I shouldn't have. And he's like, okay, okay, I'll meet you.
Speaker: And there's this looming presence behind her. And it's so like paranoid and scary. And she hangs it down, she slams it down and she open opens the door and it's William Castle, the producer of the movie. yeah Who you recognize him because he would film intros for all his movies where he'd be like, I'm Bill Castle. william castle The movie you're about to see, House on Haunted Hill, doing something a little extra. And he's got his cigar and everything. And he's, it's just, you love to see him.
Speaker: It's Alfred Hitchcock-esque brilliance. Yes. brilliant it's it's It's, what if Alfred Hitchcock, but goofy? Yeah. Exactly. What if Alfred Hitchcock, but nice? Yeah. And she's like, and she's like talking to herself and she's like, all of them witches, all of them witches. Like Andy, Andy or Jenny, that's the baby. Like I'll kill them oh yeah before I let them touch you. yeah Yeah. And they'll um also, it should be said that even though Dr. Saperstein was like, don't take pills like those nutters. um He prescribes her pills. Yeah. Eventually. yeah ah
Speaker: And he's just like, yeah, here's some pills that you should take. ah What I was saying in the beginning, that was all a lie. Don't worry about it. um Here's some pills. We don't know what she's taking, but it's possible she's taking some kind of like amphetamine or something or like speed because she really starts to spin out. The score also at this point starts going crazy. It's like this nutso jazz score, which has been really muted throughout most of the movie. And now all of a sudden it's like... bla but bo but bu boom bring um um um ma ma um She's figured it all out. Like she knows what's happening, but she's still a woman So she's doomed.
Speaker: So nobody believes her. She goes to see Dr. Hill and she has this like crazy monologue. And again, she does sound crazy. Like when you say it out loud, it sounds insane. and she's like It sounds insane. My husband and the doctor are plotting me. She's like, I know I sound crazy, but I'm not crazy. I know I sound crazy, but I'm not crazy. And there's this is like moment and Charles Grodin is like, you know, I don't believe in Satan, but I do believe that there are some sick people out there. And You know, I'll help you. Do you want to go to Mount Sinai? And she's like, oh my God, thank you. Like for a moment, yeah you think that finally it's go to something's going to help. And he's like, why don't you lay down and i'll I'll call the hospital and we'll get you in there. And she falls asleep and has this third dream sequence.
Speaker: she She has the baby this time. So she's so happy in the dream. It's this like her with the baby. And then she wakes up and the door opens and Charles Grodin has brought Saperstein and Guy to to come get her. And they're like, if you say anything about witches, we'll put you in a mental hospital.
Speaker: How would you like that? You're coming with us. And they throw her in this car and they take her back. to the apartment and then she escapes and she slams the door and the the jazz score is going crazy and then she starts going into labor and she locks herself and everyone's like she's labor and she calls her friend which is what she should have done in the first place I know. And her friend is so- It's the fucking answering service. It's the 60s. Yeah.
Speaker: It's the 60s. Her friend's at the movies. And she's on her phone. She's on she's on the phone. And then she see like you you see as the audience, a guy walk behind her. Or it maybe it's a woman. know. It's somebody.
Speaker: Walks behind her. And ah they they all hold her down. And Saperstein gives her a shot. And she has the baby at home because she's already in labor. yeah And she's screaming and they're all holding her down. And they the guy answers the phone. He's like, yeah, she's not here.
Speaker: Bye bye. And then she wakes up and um Guy's there and she's up to her neck with the sheets. And she's just like, is the, did it, did it survive? Did it survive? He goes, yeah. Yeah. The baby survived. Yeah. The baby's.
Speaker: Yep. Yep. you have a baby. we have a baby. And then she passes back out again. And then she wakes up again. And, um, Dr. Saperstein comes in, um, it with guy the second time. And they go, we've got, and she's like asking constantly, well, first ah there's a lady and they're like feeding her food and stuff. She's like, I want to see my baby. I want to see my baby.
Speaker: um, She's like, I'll go get the doctor. yeah And so she goes and she gets Dr. Saperstein and Guy and Guy comes in and he comes in and he's just like, oh I'm so sorry. You know, it's not going to affect anything about having children in the future. And she goes, what are you talking about? Where's my baby? Can I see my baby? And they go, your baby's dead. dead Your baby died.
Speaker: it died nobody It died in the wrong position because you wouldn't listen. Like, he blames it on her. Because you wouldn't let us go to the hospital. Yeah. yeah yeah And she's screaming, you're lying. I don't believe you. Like, it's so, like, like for such a a movie that's all a quiet paranoia, like, it's such a crescendo of, of like, emotion and, and...
Speaker: um like anger at the, at the end here. And guy comes in and tells her like, life is going to be good. Like Universal's interested. We're going to move to Beverly Hills and we can have children. We don't have to deal with these people anymore. And you kind of see like,
Speaker: What he's telling himself, he's done. Like he has has given himself this lie that he did this for them, right? Like he did this and now they they the the the cult has the baby and they can move on with their lives and they don't have to be involved with it.
Speaker: they can move to beverly hills and he can be a famous actor and he can give her a good life now yeah now that he made this yeah one sacrifice but he is you know of course that's what really happened is that he's ruined her life but he yeah and possibly and doomed the world Yeah, and put her, like, gave her yeah a psychosis because now she's, like, constantly just um thinks that she's crazy. Yeah. and also is traumatized from this and just, yeah, he's he's fucked her. Yeah, and um he's she's like, let me see your shoulder because she thinks he has a mark on him because he's suddenly sort of wearing pajamas and he's like, here's my shoulder, here's my other shoulder. And we never find out where the mark was on him, but... um
Speaker: Yeah, probably his butt. Yeah. And ah he he leaves and she can hear the baby crying through the wall. like Yeah. In the other apartment. She can hear the baby. And there's a nurse. like, do you hear a baby? There's a nurse there. She's like, I don't hear a baby crying. Like, again, it's just yes gaslighting. Gaslighting. Yeah. Like, literally. Like, we use gaslighting a lot to to use what to mean what it doesn't really mean. But they're literally gaslighting her. They're making her think that she's crazy. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker: They're giving her sleeping pills and she and they're um ah she's pumping breast milk. And she's like, what are you doing with the breast milk? She goes, we're throwing it away. And so she puts a dirty spoon in it. And fucking Laura Louise. Yeah. Fucking hate. Laura Louise. Out of all the cult members, i know. Like, hate Laura Louise is the worst. I don't know why, but I just hate that bitch.
Speaker: Well, cause she's just for some, whatever reason she, she doesn't want the ma, she doesn't want Rosemary to have any sort of connection with the baby. She wants to be the baby's mother for whatever reason. She's like 70. I don't know. She's like, yeah don't put that dirty spoon in the breast milk. And Rosemary is like, why you're throwing it out? And she's like, it's dirty. It's messy. It's messy. Yeah.
Speaker: Messy. um She, ah she goes to the linen closet that was blocked off from the very beginning and she takes the shelves out, which was what had been done in the first place. And she's like reaching around in there and she sees there's a door behind the shelves into the other apartment. And so she runs through the, and there's this, God, like there's this, there's so many iconic shots right at the end of this movie. Yeah. Like she's in the closet and it's so dark and she's trying to find light and she accidentally pulls the light switch and the light lightens up for so just a second and she turns it off. But the light is swinging and it like illuminates her from the top and she grabs it. It's such a beautiful shot.
Speaker: And then she runs and gets this like fuck off knife and she's stalking through the apartment trying to be quiet. Guy comes in to get ice from their their refrigerator and she is hiding while he gets the ice and leaves. And she she's in the nursery and then she stops the baby the the crib from rocking with the knife.
Speaker: So cool. Right. And then she like creeps into the closet and opens the door and walks into their like party holding this giant knife. And they have this like confrontation scene finally.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah. And everyone's just like, what? Oh no, the gig is up. Everyone's in on it. All the nurses, yeah everybody's there. Guy is there. and the cast of vets never left. They're there, of course. They're there. She's like, shut up. You can't talk. You're in Dubrovnik. I can't hear you.
Speaker: Yeah, it's so good. Oh, when when they're walking through, she sees all the paintings. And all the paintings are like yeah horrible, like Satanist paintings. Like there's a church on fire is one of them.
Speaker: And then um she there's a painting of Adrian Mercado over the fireplace. And she the baby is in this big black bassinet with these drapery drapery around it. And she goes up to it. And again, there's this just the most iconic image from this movie, maybe where she like sees the baby and you don't see the baby, but we see her see the baby. And she like yeah and she's freaked out. Silent scream with her hand over her face. um yeah She's like, what did you do to it? What did you do to its eyes? And Roman goes, it has, he has his father's eyes. And she's like, Guy's eyes are normal because this is the one thing she didn't put together. She still she thought that Guy sold their baby to the cult for some kind of ritual or something. She thinks that the baby is dead.
Speaker: Like legit dead. No, no, no. Oh, No, no. she's yeah the original plot She thinks the plot was Guy sold their baby to them for some kind of use in a ritual or something. like yeah and But what she doesn't know is that you know, it's Satan's baby. And that's what they tell her. They're like, yeah it's Satan's baby. Hail Satan. And everyone starts saying hail Satan.
Speaker: Right? They're like, it's his father. He has his father's eyes. Yeah. um And then and also they make references that he's got club feet. Yes. Yes. She goes, look at his hands. Look at his feet. um The year is one and God is dead. Hail Satan. And then she spits on him, on Guy, which rules. Yeah. Yeah, it's so good. Yeah. um And she, but then she hears it crying and she can't resist going to it because she's his mom. Yeah, because, ah and um what's her face? Laura Louise.
Speaker: Laura Louise. I was like, not Hannah Louise. Laura Louise. Laura Louise is rocking it like an insane person. She's basically shaking the baby. Like she's rocking it. She's shaking the baby. And she's just like, i have an important job. i have an important job. Look at me. Look at me. And she goes, you're rocking it too hard. And she goes, shut You're a whore. Yeah. She's like, she goes, Roman, get her out of here. Like, um what are you? You're not even supposed to be here. and she's like, you're rocking it too fast. And Roman's like, Laura Louise, shut the fuck up.
Speaker: let Let her, this is the mother. Yeah, let her do it. And then she walks back to the baby and just, like, we again, we never see the baby, but we see, like, this moment of her soften to her child. And that's the end of the movie.
Speaker: That's the end of the movie. And you hear, la, la, la. This lullaby, which is how the movie started, the aerial shot of New York. Yeah, which is Mia Farrow actually singing. Yeah, this little lullaby that she's singing her...
Speaker: her child, and we don't know what happens. um But it's not good. It's this- yeah it's it's this it's funny because it's like motherhood and like the bond between a mother and a child is so often used for, as a as a force of good, as a force of of pure love. But in this case, it's turned into like the thing that dooms her and possibly the world. Like the fact that she still has love for this child is is what is is is is horror. Like that's terrifying.
Speaker: So it's, yeah, it's it's scary. um it's Right? it's Terrifying. The tragedy of being a woman in 1966. And the tragedy of being woman of all time. For sure, for sure.
Speaker: um Like you do. Yeah. Any other thoughts, feelings, opinions? um ah So, so many. um This is, it's just...
Speaker: It's so upsetting and so beautiful at the same time. yeah It's just, it's one of those things. like it's not a movie that you can watch over and over for sure, but it is, it's so impactful and it's so horrific in a way that so few horror movies are.
Speaker: Yeah. ah It's a, it's, it's, it's, it does so, little so much with so little. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's Rosemary's baby. yeah Yeah, buddy. What are we watching next week, Emma?
Speaker: We are continuing with the witch theme. Yeah. do you think it's too much witch? No, see, here's the thing. We didn't think about that. Because this movie, because we thought that we yeah when we we were planning this out, because for Go Get Your Goal, we don't surprise each other with the picks. We come up with them together to try to get a breadth of decades and a breadth of kind of subjects of horror. This movie really, we we because we were thinking like, oh, well, that's a devil movie. But it's really a witch movie um And we picked another witch movie. I think it's fine. they're They're different enough and they're far enough apart that we can talk about. Okay.
Speaker: Okay. I was going to say, because if not, I have a backup in my back pocket. Okay. So we're going to do Veech. Veech. The Veech. The Veech. The Veech. It's a Veech. Which I've never seen, but I've always wanted to see. You've never seen it. Okay. never seen it. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love this movie.
Speaker: this is yeah This is my favorite movie by him. so Oh, nice. Nice. Well, then I'm excited. um Shall we outro? Let us outro. Thank you for listening to Go Get Your Ghoul. If you like us, tell your friends. And please rate review us on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Speaker: Good night. Good night.
