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Episode 10 - Pizza! and Hidden Object Games
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IT'S OUR TENTH EPISODIVERSARY! Thank you all for sticking with us. To celebrate, Matt and Roses buy each other pizza and talk about their not-so-guilty pleasure: HIDDEN OBJECT GAMES!
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Pizza pix: https://imgur.com/a/VAbPgiN
Games Mentioned:
- My Brother Rabbit
- The Legend of Skye
- The Family Mysteries Trilogy
- Poisonous Promises
- Echoes of Tomorrow
- Noir Chronicles: City of Crime
- Path to Sin: Greed
- Enigmatis (Series)
- Hidden Folks
- The Exit 8
- Murder, She Wrote (The Game)
- House MD (The Game)
- CSI (The Game)
- Law and Order (The Game)
- June’s Journey
- Unsolved
THANK YOU ALL FOR RATING/REVIEWING/LISTENING/EMAILING/SHARING/BEING AWESOME.
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Transcript
Celebrating the 10th Episode
00:00:00
Speaker
Happy 10th episode-versary. Happy 10th episode-versary. This is our 10th episode. I can't believe that we've done something consistently every week. It's hard. Yeah, it's still a little difficult, but also super fun. And I'm really excited to be doing it. We're doing this in the cold open rather than doing it in the show. That's strange.
00:00:24
Speaker
I think it's appropriate. Yeah. So yes, we are celebrating our 10th episode aversary and we are going to order each other pizzas because I like pizza. I assume everyone else does too. And we're going to see who gets their pizza first. Like literally we gave each other our addresses. We went to our, what are those called? Our delivery apps and we're going to order each other a celebratory pizza.
00:00:54
Speaker
We're ordering each other pizza, and yeah, we'll let you, both should arrive as we're recording. It should. I hope so. If it doesn't, I'm gonna flip a table. So hungry. Not the one with your microphone on it though, I hope. No, the art table, because that's already a disaster anyway. Okay, so I have,
00:01:24
Speaker
A Chicago style pizza. Whoa. No, don't do Chicago style. I'll never finish it alone. Like, are you serious? It's just me. Okay. All right. All right. Get like normal crust. Just a normal crust pizza. Like a, just like a, like a medium, a large medium, a small. It's just me. So yeah. I didn't like it. The cat's not going to eat it. All right. It's vegetal to her.
00:01:53
Speaker
All right, do you like... I like spinach on my pizza. You like spinach on your pizza, huh? Yeah, yeah. All right, this place does have spinach leaves for $229. I'll take it. Do you like a dipping sauce? Yes, I do. Oh, wait, it's required. They're forcing you to dip this pizza. Well, what are my options?
00:02:22
Speaker
Ah, you could get Greek, you could get creamy garlic, you could get buffalo, vegan marinara, olive oil, pesto, ranch, barbecue. It's gotta be marinara. Vegan marinara. I don't know how there's a vegan and a non-vegan. Tomatoes. I know, I know, quite well.
00:02:46
Speaker
You're getting the regular marinara and you can tell me if there's just like an egg in it. There's like chunks of meat in here. I was not expecting that. That's so weird. I could also get you a chocolate chip pizza cookie. Matt, no. Don't do it. An eight inch warm chocolate chip pizza cookie.
00:03:10
Speaker
Can I dip it in marinara? Is there a required dipping spot? It says here you are allowed to dip this in the marinara. So I went ahead and ordered you the honey mustard chicken pizza. I'm kidding. What do you like on your pizza? Oh, I see. I think plain pizza is a perfect food. Got it. Yeah.
00:03:37
Speaker
Fucking garlic knots with a side of marinara that may or may not be vegan, I'm not sure. Is this marinara vegan? Grab the delivery person by their lapels. All right, so I'm going to teach you a cheese pizza. Do you want a 10 inch or 14 inch? There's no in between. It is either 10 or four more inches. Anything that arrives, anything that arrives, I'll eat. So whatever you're willing to shell out money for, I'm going to eat it.
00:04:06
Speaker
Okay, I'm gonna do that. I'm gonna add that to the cart. Oh, this is very exciting for me because now I have Matt's address and I can send him stuff whenever the fuck I want. That is so worrying that you got it stuff. It's not it wouldn't have been worried worrying if you hadn't gotten so excited.
00:04:26
Speaker
Like that all of a sudden, like I would have been like, oh yeah, you can have my address. But then that you were like, oh my God, I have your address? It's like, oh no. Oh no. That's not good. It's like she already has plans.
The Journey of Podcast Creation
00:04:40
Speaker
Okay, I have got your order here. So I'm a little upset at the lack of desserts, but I can't do anything about it.
00:04:49
Speaker
They have cakes. Sorry, I went on their website, because I was like, how? On the website, they say. Just not for delivery, I'm afraid. Maybe that's it, yeah. Yeah, it's not for delivery. They say they have milkshakes, but under the milkshakes thing, it's just a bunch of sodas. It's like, sir, I think you may have mistaken what that word means.
00:05:12
Speaker
Yeah, I'll have a coke milkshake, I guess All right, I have my cart ready to go. Oh I already hit I already hit the button. Um, okay. Oops That's okay now this now this race won't be now at all. No, it's not fair. No, it's not fair You're guys gonna get there first. Okay. Yeah, I could do a tip. Okay. I did it
00:05:43
Speaker
Alright, start the damn show. Alright, we're starting the music.
00:06:04
Speaker
Hey, everybody, and welcome to Save Your Game. Hey, everybody, and welcome to Save Your Game. I am your host, Matt Aucamp, and with me is, who is still ordering me some kind of, now I don't even know what she's ordering me. Apparently, it's no longer pizza. It is things being added that I'm worried about. It's pushing up roses.
00:06:30
Speaker
Hey everyone, FishingUpRoses here. I'm looking at a cookie website. Or 7-Eleven, there's also 7-Eleven. I'm having the time of my life right now guys. Oh boy, oh man. I'm having the time of my life. So it's episode 10. We've made it to 10 episodes. We've been recording this podcast for
00:06:57
Speaker
Math, I believe in you. Two and a half months. Yeah, I would say that's about right. I actually don't know offhand the publish date of our first episode. It was February 4th, and today it's April 2nd, so you just swap them.
00:07:21
Speaker
Yeah, that's, that's, that's good. Yeah. So yeah, we've been doing this for two months. That's crazy. That's kind of crazy. That is a little nuts. Uh, I, I, I mean,
00:07:33
Speaker
I'm pretty good at consistency. Obviously, I've ran a channel for 10 years, so I can do some stuff consistently, but I'm a little surprised. I'm actually surprised that you got me to do this. It's very difficult to get me to collaborate or just do stuff.
00:07:55
Speaker
I'm happy that you agreed to collaborate on this with me. I am very surprised that I have been this consistent. Because. It was your idea. I know, but I'm also in school and I am also like, I also work full time and like, I have trouble keeping projects going consistently. I hear that. But this one.
00:08:22
Speaker
Apparently not, and it rules, and I'm having a lot of fun with it. And listeners, I hope you guys are having fun with it too. Feel free to write us a nice little happy anniversary email at mattandroses at gmail.com. It'd be fun to hear how you guys have enjoyed the first 10 episodes and what you guys want to see on the next 10 episodes. Hey, remember a million years ago we teased a Let's Play for my channel and we didn't do it? Yeah, yeah, what should our Let's Play be?
00:08:52
Speaker
Armed and delirious. And we'll invite Julia to do it too. That would be hilarious. But also that game kind of frightens me. It looks absolutely insane. It is scary. Yes. It is scary. It looks like a frightening game.
00:09:11
Speaker
But yeah, um, thank you, Matt, for forcing me to do, to do a podcast. Honestly, I, where did I say this? Did I say this on like, Alistair? I don't know where I said this, I made this comment, but I said that he would, oh, on Escape This podcast, I said he would kind of flippantly, or I flippantly made the comment of, yeah, I've always wanted to do like an adventure game podcast.
00:09:35
Speaker
And I was like, let's do it. And then you went hard. Here's a, here's a list of potential names. Here's a document on drive that we can, and that was, believe it or not, that was in July of last year that we started talking about that. Was it really? It really, it really was. It took us a while to get it off the ground. Wow. Yeah.
00:10:05
Speaker
Also, in other news, it's my birthday in two weeks. Happy birthday! Oh, you know what? Here's something that might be fun. Should we read for the listeners some of the names we almost call our podcast? Yes. For our 10th episode anniversary.
00:10:27
Speaker
Absolutely. You're all very creative and good, you guys. This first one, these are, oh man, I'm actually a little embarrassed. Too late, we're already here. Do you see the first name on here? It is, it's like a little ironic given what our tagline is now. Yeah, it is. Podcasts is our, our is suffer. Well, so the first name that we came up with is games are story.
00:10:55
Speaker
I mean, it would have, uh, it would have matched pretty perfectly with our, with our closer, but no, we did not go with that. I like, we have, we also have notes on these as well. Yeah. So you would put adventure game club and then a note that says, whoops, this already exists. And then I say, how dare you?
00:11:16
Speaker
I did, oh, here's some talking simulator. And next to it, I just put stupid. I like this one, scup, script creation utility for podcasting. That's what I wrote. Obviously not this. Obviously not this. Oh, don't skip the cut scenes. Pick up combined use.
00:11:44
Speaker
See, I liked this one. I'd like to talk to, like talk to a podcast. I kind of like that. And then we have like a bunch of notes by that. Oh yeah, we had like a whole discussion here about it. Oh, here's the one that I'm gonna, I'm gonna jump ahead to the one that we almost named our podcast. Yeah, go ahead. Press F5 to save. Yeah, we almost- That's not bad. It's not, it's not.
00:12:14
Speaker
I think that was mine because your note is, whoa, I like this one. Save early, save often is also here. I like that, too. I like that. I like that, actually. This is the one I'm really surprised we didn't pick this one. A podcast about narrative single player games with puzzle story and exploration, the podcast featuring Pushing Up Roses and Matt Aucamp from the YouTube channel Pushing Up Roses and from the podcast Every Folk Song and Adventure Game Hotspot.
00:12:40
Speaker
That one I really struggled, I really wanted that one. It just, it super rolls off the tongue. It's very natural. It was taken already. Which is insane because our names are in it. Like how was it taken? Yeah, it was taken. Somebody had already done that one. Wow. Do we want to mention also that this podcast, the name was taken and we did it anyway?
00:13:03
Speaker
Matt, shut up. So we really liked the idea of save your game because remember we were doing press F5 to save and then we kind of naturally got to save your game. And there was a podcast named that, but it has long since been dead. So I am not worried about it.
00:13:23
Speaker
It's been dead for, at this point, like three years, and it's sponsored by Red
Rejected Podcast Names and Humor
00:13:31
Speaker
Bull. So if Red Bull wants to come sue us, fine, come at us, Red Bull. Yeah, come at me, Red Bull. I've got followers that I'll write a strongly written letter to.
00:13:42
Speaker
Yeah, Red Bull, your bones are disintegrating from all the energy drinks you drink. Me and roses are strong, and we'll beat your ass. That's true. We're very strong. We're going to beat your ass, Red Bull. Okay, maybe let's stop threatening, Red Bull. Watch your ass, Red Bull.
00:14:01
Speaker
Oh, we have such fun. Yeah. What have you been playing roses? Well, this is going to deescalate quickly because I've been playing my brother Rabbit because just to get to get in the mood for our topic today.
00:14:20
Speaker
which is going to be in object games. Oh my god. Yeah, the arrow's juices flowing. They're regular juices flowing. Yeah, just a little soft spot for both of us, I think. We have a fondness for hidden object games. So I had not played My Brother Rabbit, and I heard that it was just very legitimately
00:14:42
Speaker
just more than a casual game experience, more than just mindfulness, but a very good like cohesive computer game. And it's by the devs that do all of them. Mundi. Artifacts, Mundi, yeah. Artifacts, Mundi, Mundi. Why can't I say that? They do the majority of all of those hidden object games you probably see on Steam.
00:15:05
Speaker
They do so many. If you've played a hidden object game, you've probably either played a game by Artifex Monday or you've played a game by Big Fish.
00:15:13
Speaker
Big fish. That's the other one. Yep. Yeah, that is true. For me, it's been more the former because they're kind of brilliant in their strategy. So when I'm done playing an artifacts Monday game, there's like ads at the end for all of these, like a bajillion bajillion hidden object games. They all look great. So I just buy them all. Right. Yeah. You know, they're also really good about and we'll talk about this. They're also good about achievements.
00:15:44
Speaker
Yeah, they are. Yeah, they are. Which is something that really, really hits the dopamine receptors in my brain. It sure does. I mean, do you want to talk about it now, or do you want to talk about it more when we get into? I would like to save it. But I, because we have such a long cold open, we don't need to, we don't need to dilly-dally about what we've been playing. Well, you might, you might want to say what you've been playing. Mine goes straight into the topic, which is hidden object games. But what have you been playing, Matt?
00:16:13
Speaker
You know, I just started playing a game today that was just released today, and it is called The Legend of Sky.
00:16:23
Speaker
I saw that. Yeah, I saw the announcements for that. You know what? I didn't even know that this was in development. This kind of hit my radar just now, like just today. Right. Yeah. It's by Point and Pixel Adventures. I think this is their... No, this is their second game. Their first game was sort of a very big
00:16:44
Speaker
like had big maniac mansion energy and their second game has kind of like monkey island two energy. But you're a druid who is forest is under threat of being destroyed. And so you have to go out on a quest to save your forest. And it's very pixel already. Again, it looks a lot like the style of say monkey island two.
00:17:11
Speaker
I'm getting some loom, like loom vibes. Yeah, a little bit of loom, a little bit of a little bit of Simon the sorcerer. Yes, I'd agree. I'd agree with that. Right. Maybe even like a touch of like Legend of Chirandia. So it's got it's clearly inspired by these old this old classic era of adventure games. And so far I've been playing it. The puzzles are pretty good. There's no voice acting and the dialogue goes on a little bit.
00:17:39
Speaker
Uh, which is something we complain about in these kinds of games. Uh, like sometimes, unless it's grim Fandango, unless your dialogue trees are, are just brilliant. Yeah. I need, I need it to be a more terse, but the art, the comedy is silly and fun. And, uh, so far it's, and it says upfront that there's no dead ends in it. So.
00:18:04
Speaker
So far, I'm really enjoying it. I'm somewhere in what I would assume is about the second chapter. It's not divided into chapters, but if I were to divide it myself, I'm somewhere in the second chapter-ish of the game. Because all my settings have just kind of changed. The world just opened up a lot.
00:18:30
Speaker
I, yeah, I'm enjoying it. I think I'm gonna keep on it, so. Great. I'm excited to keep playing it, so. That's the Legend of Sky. Nice, I'm inspired. Why am I inspired every time I'm on a podcast? What is wrong with me? Rose's, your order has been picked up. Yours canceled the first delivery person in their financial report. Oh no!
00:18:59
Speaker
Uh, so, what is that? All right. Well, why don't we move on to the segment then and be hungry. I'll just be hungry. Well, what's your estimated arrival for mine? What's your estimate? What is estimate? What is estimate? Oh, uh, like now. What now? Like in the next two minutes. Are you serious?
00:19:25
Speaker
You have no food! Throw up that music! What did you order me? Okay, I have two boxes here. One is clearly a pizza. You got that pizza cookie! I got you a pizza cookie!
00:19:55
Speaker
Or sorry, a cookie pizza. A pizza cookie is a lot grosser of a thing than a cookie pizza. I'm gonna take a picture of this for the show notes, because the pizza looks fucking good. The marinara appears to be a vegan. Oh, okay, good. They got vegan marinara. There's no cheese in it. Here's the deal, though. I did not order the vegan marinara. I ordered the regular marinara.
00:20:23
Speaker
I don't know about this. So let me, uh, I'm going to ask for a refund. Oh my God. The cookie pizza though. Oh my God. You're going to die. Does it look good? Does it actually look good? Yes. It looks like it's a giant, like warm ooey gooey chocolate chip cookie. Oh man. Oh my God. That makes me even more mad that my place didn't have any desserts.
00:20:53
Speaker
I looked, seriously, I'm like, what is this? How do you not have a dessert? Anyway, I am texting Matt the pictures of my pizza and my pizza cookie, just so he knows where his money went.
Pizza and Dessert Revelations
00:21:06
Speaker
Okay, yeah, I like, this is an investment. This is a friendship investment, as far as I'm concerned. You buy your friend's pizza, that's the sign of True Puncher. I do need to check though. I know, I know.
00:21:23
Speaker
These both look so good. Oh my God. We are going to put these in the show notes because they look so good. My mouth is legitimately watering.
00:21:33
Speaker
No, if you thought that pizza cookie was a bad idea, uh-uh, no. Uh, yeah, I basically thought it was just going to be like a fun joke. Then you're like, oh, you got me the cookie pizza. And then it's like, looks amazing. No, I fucking want to eat that cookie pizza. I want it more than the pizza, which is saying something. All right, I'm going to go get a drink and we'll go and hit an object game since yours. Let me, let me check the status.
00:22:00
Speaker
I went up, so now it's getting there at 8.10. However, Seth, your delivery driver is on his way. Oh, he has the food and he's coming? No, he's picking it up still. Let me see how far away he is. He is literally right there. He's going to do it. It's going to happen. Yes, Seth. It's going to happen. All right, I'll be right back. I'm also going to give myself a drink. Good call.
00:22:28
Speaker
So do we wanna jump into talking about, you know what we should do? We should start by talking about My Brother Rabbit. I agree, yeah. So have you played My Brother Rabbit? Yes.
00:22:42
Speaker
You have, okay, cool. I was aware of it because it came up on a lot of lists of like best ofs and just very highly regarded. I wasn't quite sure why. Cause I had never really delved into it. I didn't even really look at the screenshots until we talked about it. And then I looked at the screenshots and do you remember what I texted you? I think I said, this is so beautiful. I want to cry or something comparable to that. And I made it.
00:23:13
Speaker
gorgeous, very stylized, but also a hidden object game. But it's also got this story. Now I want to say that most if not all hidden object games, they do follow a story.
00:23:26
Speaker
They vary, they vary in quality, but they have something. So this one has a bit of a serious story going on as you're playing this little, this little rabbit plushy character. In the real world, there's a family that has two children and one of them is sick.
00:23:43
Speaker
Yeah, and it seems that the story that you're playing as one of the one of the children's plushy toys the rabbit that what we're playing parallels the story that's happening in real life. It kind of reminded me this might be a stretch even it reminded me a little bit of sanitarium might people might make that connection or they might think I'm bonkers but but yeah, I am so impressed.
Hidden Object Games Appreciation
00:24:12
Speaker
Even if it didn't have the story, which is very touching and very nice, and it'll tug at your heartstrings. Even if it didn't have that, it is so gorgeous. It's very surreal. I would describe the artwork as whimsical, fantasy, surreal. Like a Wonderland-esque world.
00:24:32
Speaker
Yeah, just interesting creatures. Adorable creatures. Adorable creatures. There's like these little bugs that are always roasting a hot dog somewhere. I just think it's the cutest thing.
00:24:48
Speaker
And it's very fun. And honestly, it's probably one of the more challenging hidden object games I've played because it is hidden object. That is the correct classification for this. But it's one of those hidden object games where it's like, find this object to break this object to get this object. Yeah. And I think what's really interesting about it is, and we'll talk about the structure of a hidden object game in a minute, but this one,
00:25:19
Speaker
is a little different rather than having.
00:25:22
Speaker
like sequestered little scenes where you're looking for a set number of objects, it's often like you need to find, to solve the puzzle, you'll need to find eight clocks. Right, right. Yeah, I wanted to bring out, there's a collect-a-thon element to it. And yeah, in the screen that you're on will be like eight hidden clocks. And once you find all of them, you know, it'll like say open a,
00:25:50
Speaker
either open up like another mini puzzle or it'll unlock a lock or something. And then you'll find that you need, oh, now you need nine buttons. And then you go around the scene looking for the nine buttons. So it's like, again, rather than cutting to a screen, like an I Spy book, it is, you're looking for things in the screen that you're already playing in.
00:26:17
Speaker
Yes. And my only qualm, and I think you know where I'm going with this because my text to you got pretty mad right after, is there are some logic puzzles. In fact, there's a lot.
00:26:31
Speaker
because the way this game works is when you find those collectible things, they often open something, like they open a door or they open a panel to like the little control panel. And then you have what I would call hidden objects. And they vary from slider-esque to- Logic puzzles.
00:26:50
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To like maze type things just or that there's that one classic one like connect the cogs so that every cog is is turning or like I did get angry at some of these. I'm not going to lie. One of those ones that's like free the block.
00:27:08
Speaker
right like there's a bunch of blocks that you slide around and one's trapped in there and you have to slide them in a specific order to slide the one out i hate that i really traffic jam puzzles yeah the traffic jam puzzles yeah i don't granted some of them were very fulfilling and hidden object games are like this i think this is a common
00:27:28
Speaker
misjudgment about hidden object games. I think people view them as only where's Waldo games. That's all you do is you're looking at where's the thing. But I find that I maybe agree with me, all if not the majority of hidden object games are beyond hidden objects. There usually are puzzles akin to, you know,
00:27:50
Speaker
a classic adventure, logic puzzles, mist like puzzles. And they often have a story. Generally, you're following some sort of and often the story is a lot lighter than the story that you're going to get in a full on adventure game. But you're following us like a kind of a light story. And as you're going, you encounter obstacles again, like a point and click adventure game.
00:28:18
Speaker
But to solve those obstacles, it's almost always a little logic puzzle or a very simple inventory puzzle. Yeah. Yeah. Like break the object to get this object. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Use key and door and then hidden object games often
00:28:43
Speaker
Like I was saying, what's unique about my brother, Rabbit, is that the objects are all just hidden in the scene, like they're warped in seamlessly. And most of them...
00:28:53
Speaker
it's just that the most common logic puzzle that you come across is like, yeah, an I spy or a where's Waldo sort of thing where it's like you need a diamond to slot into the diamond shaped slot on the door and the diamonds in a drawer full of other stuff. And you have to, when you click on the drawer, you see,
00:29:19
Speaker
like a George is like full of junk. And one of the things you have to find is the diamond, but you can't.
00:29:27
Speaker
you know, get the diamond until you've also found the horse and the corkscrew and the bottle. I think they call them inlays in some of the hidden object games I play where they're like these little shapes that go into something and it's like magically unlocks the drawer. Exactly. Yeah. And so you do have like just like screens full of clutter where you're looking for a set number of objects or set list of objects rather. But yeah.
00:29:57
Speaker
There's, yeah, there's always a lot more to it. Now, what are some of your favorites in this genre? So I don't know if I can name them by name, but I'm gonna tell you something really important about me. Okay. My Steam list is full of what you could call murder mystery, like, noir at an object game. So, okay. One of the ones I streamed, like, very recently, it's a, it's not a friend, it's,
00:30:25
Speaker
I guess it's a collection. It's like the poisonous secrets collection. Okay. And I thought they were all going to be like, noir. So the first one I played was very detective, you're playing a detective, a female protagonist, and you're trying to find out like, who tried to kill someone, there was like a conspiracy to murder. And I thought because I bought this, like this set that all of them would be on that page.
00:30:48
Speaker
I was wrong. The next one was totally unrelated about like a science facility. And we were, my stream was laughing the entire time. It was the corniest thing you have ever seen. And let me actually, let me bring up my Steam list. I actually have a very hard time remembering the names of hidden object games because they're all like the same. Like Matt, read the games on the screen. Just read them. They're all the same.
00:31:15
Speaker
Uh, yeah, I can, I can totally understand. Yeah. There's like, so here's some of the ones that I've played. I listed them in this. I, I, I, I, I typed them out nine clues. Secret of serpent Creek, grim legends, the forsaken bride nightmare from the deep Davey Jones. Like it's just.
00:31:34
Speaker
They'll have like a series called like they are like enigmatic is a good one and all the enigmatic games are good. It's your basically a you're I think a reporter.
00:31:46
Speaker
who just keeps encountering the same evil priest who keeps trying to start cults everywhere and kidnap somebody and try to save the kidnapped person. Again, the stories are really bad. They're not great. They're not great. Honestly, my brother Rabbit probably has the best name out of all of these.
00:32:08
Speaker
Yeah, right. So like the, so there'll be, there's three enigmatic games. The ghosts of Maple Creek, the shadow of Carcala, the mists of Ravenwood. And that's what all these games are named. It's like the darkness of Karakum. Like it's just like.
00:32:30
Speaker
Yeah, like, do you want to hear some of the ones I played recently? Yeah, they're of the same. So let me where did it go? Here's the here's the set I bought. And this is called the family mysteries set. So the first one is poisonous promises. Family mysteries to echoes of tomorrow. Family mysteries three criminal mindset. And then the other ones I had played very recently. Hmm. Let me see.
00:32:55
Speaker
Noire Chronicles, City of Crime. As you can see, I've got a type. I'm looking at that one right now. Oh, you are? City of Crime, yeah. It's an artifacts Monday game. It sure is. How about Queen's Quest 2, Stories of Forgotten Past? Did you play that one? I have it. Did you play Lost... Did you play Lost Grimoire, Stolen Kingdom? No, but I played Path of Sin, Greed.
00:33:26
Speaker
This is actually pretty good. I like it. What do you like so much about these games?
00:33:32
Speaker
I wanna be a little serious about this because I think that, and then I'll go back to being spicy snarky roses, but I honestly believe and find that hidden object games are wonderful for mindfulness and for anxiety. It's very similar to like a diamond art painting kit or a paint by numbers kit. You are meant to just kind of get lost
00:33:59
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in what you're doing. And you're just thinking you're just thinking you're focused on something. So I play these games because they elevate my mood so hard. I just I feel happy when I'm playing them. And honestly, just as an artist, I, I know that these get kind of a corny rep.
00:34:18
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And they are like the voice acting is something to be desired. It's not great. But these games are beautiful. Like if you're looking at what was the one I just said? Crime Chronicles? No. See, I already can't. I already can't remember. They're not meant to be remembered. I don't think you know, it's like it's like if you have somebody in your life that reads romance novels.
00:34:39
Speaker
and they read like seven a week and they they there's it's for the experience of reading them it's not for they're not for actually digesting they're not gonna you're not gonna remember any of the stories that you read a year later yeah and it's the same with these
00:34:58
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I streamed these maybe six months ago, you think I remember these? No, this is like, and that's why I'm saying these are great for mindfulness because it's making you feel present. These are things that you can play to be present that are going to stick with you not forever.
00:35:15
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You know, you're not here for a long time. You're here for a good time. Yeah, exactly. My Brother Rabbit is the only hidden object game I could ever remember the name of. All of them are, all the others are insane. And I'll say as far as beauty, right? You said these games are beautiful. And I think it's true aesthetically. I think they're nice. Almost all of them are nice to look at, right?
00:35:41
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they all have like a sort of glossy finish to them they all have um like a like a painterly aspect but
00:35:52
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you know, you're not gonna find capital A art here, right? You're not gonna find- Well, unless it's my brother Rabbit. That is capital A art. Yeah, most of these are just like a kitschy style of like what you see is what you get. But, you know, pretty sunsets or a misty bog or a, you know, town in the middle of the wilderness, right?
00:36:20
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It's just that sort of thing. Again, I agree with you. It's more for... Mindfulness is a good way to put it, right? Because I do play these games when I'm stressed out, when I've got a lot of other things going on, and I don't want to pick up a real game. I want to play a hidden object game. I think they get such a bad...
00:36:44
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a bad reputation for not being real games. But honestly, these have been I've enjoyed these more than some of the the indie games I've played, even Triple A games like having a great time with my brother Rabbit. To me, these are similar to playing a crossword puzzle or something like that. It's it's just like, you know, I could see somebody's point if they're like, oh, they're not real game. Well, it's stupid.
00:37:09
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to ever say something's not a real game. But I can see somebody's point if what they're saying is like, these are a sort of lower form of game. Because again. I mean, I think the volume is really what contributes to that, right? It's like, they just pump them out because they're not difficult to make. They're not difficult to program. So I think the volume of them, when people see that, they're like, oh, OK.
00:37:37
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It's one of those, you know? And there are hidden object games that are also like a little less robust, like tiny little lion, right? They make hidden object games that are really honestly just about finding stuff in a scene.
00:37:56
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Um, or doing little puzzles. There's not really stories to them. There's not really, uh, you know, interesting artwork. Oftentimes they're made out of photos. Um, yep, that's true. Like those do, those do exist. And, but again,
00:38:12
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those aren't really the ones I enjoy playing, but they do the same thing. They'll promote a sort of a mindfulness and a, you know, a little brain exercise for you rather than, you know,
00:38:27
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something that you're gonna really dive into. And there are, the genre is wider than just this, I will say. Like there are, there was an indie game a couple years ago called Hidden Folks that is, it's all black and white and all hand drawn, like sort of indie comic style. And,
00:38:57
Speaker
It's it'll just be like almost like a giant where's Waldo scene. And you're just kind of like looking for different guys at different things, different like variations of what you're seeing. And it does feel very. Again, this is this game. I just yeah, this honestly, this looks so cool to me. Yeah, there's like a whole little world going on in front of you. And it's very illustrative. It almost looks like pen and ink.
00:39:25
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right and then there's other ones like um there's a lot to fall under the name of hidden object games that
00:39:35
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like sometimes the rusty lake cube escape games get thrown in here. Like a lot of times these, or the room, or these, what do you call them? Like escape room or puzzle box kind of games get thrown in hidden objects. So, but which I think is just people kind of saying like that certain adventure games have a casual feel. Yeah.
00:40:02
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I want to bring up a game that I played was this last week. Exit eight. Yeah, I'm still too afraid to play it, to be honest with you. I don't know. There's something there's something about it, man, that I'm like, I don't know about this. Yeah, if you haven't hadn't listened last week, it's just you're on you're in an underground passage. That's sort of like a like a subway station and.
00:40:27
Speaker
You're walking around and you find that as you walk through the subway station, it just takes you back to the same place, and you're just kind of going in a big loop. But then you see a sign on the wall that says something like,
00:40:42
Speaker
telling you to look for anomalies right and remember that that no anomaly should be ignored if you see an anomaly turn back if you see no anomaly keep going and then what you find out is you have to memorize the way this like little hallway looks and if there's anything different and a lot of these differences are going to be really
00:41:03
Speaker
subtle and creepy, and some of them are going to be very not subtle and scary. Yeah, I saw that. I'm like, ah, no. If you see an anomaly, you got to turn around. And if you miss an anomaly, your exit resets. So, you know, you have you start at exit zero and then you go to exit one and then exit two and you have to go through eight times perfectly to beat the game.
00:41:30
Speaker
And in that sense, that's sort of a hidden object game, right? You're paying really close attention to your environment to try and find certain things that are different.
00:41:39
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Yeah, I know you know my favorite. I don't know if this is even like a sub genre. My favorite type of hidden object game are the franchised ones. There's so many because you're saying it expands beyond hidden objects. So I'm talking. Sure. There's there's a legitimate like in the style that we've been talking about. There's a legitimate murder. She wrote and there's two. Oh my God. There are two murder. She wrote hidden object games.
00:42:09
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And they are weird, but also just fun because it's under the guise of murder. She wrote you're playing Jessica Fletcher. It's great. But I'm talking about even games like on my channel a long time ago, I did a let's play on house MD.
00:42:24
Speaker
And it's one of those franchise things where it's just a bunch of mini games. So sometimes you're finding things, sometimes you're like, kind of talking about what we said, getting the object to get the object and then doing logic puzzles under the guise, under this like mask of a house, of the show house. Wow. That's so wild. Yeah. And there's so many, there's so many franchised ones.
00:42:50
Speaker
Is there like, do they have like, could you find like a friends hidden object? Let's look it up. That would be so funny. They're all computer games too. So I'm going to type in friends computer game. It does not look like it. That would be, that would be so great.
00:43:08
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But you know what's actually very ripe for that is the CSI games. So I have a law and order one. I have a CSI, crime scene investigation. Those things, because it's all about finding evidence, they're just so perfect for the hidden object. We were talking about, oh, I made a mistake. We were calling it Jane's Journey. It's June's Journey, by the way. June's Journey, okay. Now is she a detective?
00:43:39
Speaker
I don't remember. So I played June's Journey a long time ago. I thought it was gonna be like a fun little like casual game to play on my phone when I was bored. And then other things like Pokemon Go and then Marvel Snap took me away from it. But it's basically, I think it's like a never ending hidden object game that's meant to just addict you. I don't think it has an end.
00:44:07
Speaker
Somebody can tell me if I'm wrong, but I think it's like Candy Crush or any one of those things where you're meant to just play it forever. Does Candy Crush not have an end? I assume not. I don't think so. Here, all right, let me Google, does Candy Crush have an ending?
00:44:35
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As of the last, latest update, and this was written in, oh, this was written in this month. Nice, nice. As of the last update, Candy Crush Saga at least does not have a definite end.
00:44:49
Speaker
What can that be? My mind is blown, right? What do you mean it doesn't have an end? What do you mean? It can't be, I imagine June's journey has to have an end, but you're not really supposed to get to the end because it's meant to be one of those addicting dopamine pump games where you have a certain amount of energy to use each day and then they want you to pay extra money to,
00:45:17
Speaker
Right? Like, refresh your energy. Um, no, Pokemon Go... Because you can play that forever. Pokemon Go, you can play an unlimited amount, but there are certain types of currencies if you want to do specific things. Uh, same with...
00:45:31
Speaker
what I just mentioned, Marvel Snap. But now we're just talking about mobile, like casual mobile games. But June's Journey is of that ilk, where it is much more about being a mobile game to get you to purchase in-game currency than it is an interesting hidden object game. And it does look like you are solving mysteries. And like I said, it makes total sense to me to have
00:46:02
Speaker
a hidden object game where you are playing a detective. That's all you're doing, right? You're just looking for evidence and clues. And it just makes, it just fits those two genres hold hands as far as I'm concerned. And I can't help but notice also being the murder mystery buff that I am, that June looks a lot like Phryne Fisher from Ms. Fisher's mysteries. And I wonder if there's like a little inspo there taking from an existing thing. I don't know what that is, Phryne Fisher.
00:46:31
Speaker
Miss Fisher's mysteries, the lead protagonist, her name is Phryne. I did a video about it, Matt, if you're interested in checking that out before. You do videos? Do you want to see it? I'm a YouTuber, Matt.
00:46:44
Speaker
Did you know I'm very famous? No, I didn't know you'd ever did a... I didn't know you did YouTubes. I'll check it out. I'll check it out one day. You know, I'm glad we went into this fresh with you not knowing who I am and who still wanted to do this podcast. That's just very nice of you.
00:47:02
Speaker
Link me your little show. Maybe I'll if I have some time, I'll I'll take a look at it. But, you know, I am very busy, but you can send me a little you can send me a little Internet show and I'll check. Yeah, I have like 10 subscribers, you know. But I do. It's Miss Fisher's mysteries is a murder mystery show. It's a drama. OK.
00:47:22
Speaker
in the style of Murder, She Wrote and Colombo. They're like an hour long each. And this one is in the Art Deco era 1920s. And that's actually I think that's what June's Journey is as well. Right. And like, as far as I'm concerned, June's Journey is one of the most popular hidden object games. Everybody is sponsored by June's Journey except me. I don't even have a sponsor, let alone many sponsors to necessitate an entire channel. I have a question. Some of these big
00:47:52
Speaker
uh, hidden object, uh, developers. I think they might not still be around like artifacts, Monday. Are they still producing games? I thought so. They appear to have stopped publishing. Their last game was July 16th, 2020. Oh, really?
00:48:18
Speaker
which is interesting. Right. Wait a minute. I have to go to the Google. At least their last game on Steam. I'm going to their website now. Yeah, I am too. They are working on a new RPG. What? An RPG?
00:48:34
Speaker
As of 2020, they've been working on an RPG and it looks like they have, oh, they have a free to play app much like June's Journey. It's called Unsolved. And they are going to, yeah, it looks like that is what they are putting their efforts into.
00:48:54
Speaker
Okay. So they're not dead. They're not a defunct thing that seems, you know what? They're probably just trying to evolve with the way that mobile hidden object games are evolving. You know what I mean? Like, right. I mean, I don't think hidden object games are necessarily going out of style, but you know, as well as I do that mobile games are huge.
00:49:14
Speaker
I agree, and it's a little bit of a bummer, but I can see why somebody would pivot towards that. It looks like Big Fish Games is still going. As of this year, they just released another... Well, okay, they just released collector's editions of some of their old games.
00:49:32
Speaker
oh did they did they release wait did they release murder she wrote because that would be great i can't find it anywhere no they released uh they're they're just they're christmas stories games they've released new editions of that but they released a halloween game last october yeah they're still going at a rate of like every couple weeks they release
00:49:51
Speaker
They're still going. This would be a cool thing for our listeners to write in because these games are so dime a dozen. I would love to hear from listeners as to if they play hidden object games, what do you like? What's a good version of these? What are your favorite hidden object games? And if you have some, I'd be really interested to play.
00:50:13
Speaker
Yeah, even if they're franchised ones, because I really do have a little bit of a soft spot, a guilty pleasure for really bad like pumped out franchise games. Your pizza is supposedly it's there. Okay, I'll be right back. Yay. My pizza's here.
00:50:34
Speaker
We started the episode with you getting pizza, and we're ending the episode with me getting pizza. That's nice. That's a nice way to... Ooh, it looks good. Okay, let's see. We got a nice cheese pizza here. Yep, cheese pizza. We got mozzarella sticks. Hell yeah. Fuck yeah. And we got...
00:50:59
Speaker
What's this? What's in here? Crinkle-cut fries! There were two options, Matt. Crinkle-cut or regular? But I'm like, it's gotta be crinkle-cut. It's gotta be. I'll say this. The crinkle-cut fries have gotten a little soggy on the journey.
00:51:15
Speaker
Yeah, sorry about that. One of the first things that I got excited for as lockdown began to ease up as
Food Quality and Ordering Challenges
00:51:25
Speaker
the pandemic started to get under control was fries.
00:51:32
Speaker
because you can't get them delivered. Yeah, anytime you get fries delivered, they're not the same as when you get them fresh from a restaurant. So I remember just getting so disappointed. I can't eat any good fries. I still like getting delivery every now and then, especially if it's snowing. But I do have an air fryer. And so if the fries are lackluster, I'll just throw them in the air fryer. And it really brings them back to life.
00:52:03
Speaker
I do not have an air fryer, but maybe, you know. Did you know you can air fry anything? I'll throw them in my toaster oven and see if that works. That's good idea. What do you mean you can, hold on. What? Yes, you could technically, what do you mean you can air fry everything? I didn't say that. What are you talking about?
00:52:27
Speaker
I'm just saying, the possibilities are endless. I'll put this cookie in the air fryer and see what happens. By the way, yeah, the pizza cookie, so good. So, so good. I'm impressed. We keep calling it a pizza cookie, but that is something different and much grosser. A cookie pizza. It says that on the label. It says pizza cookie on the label.
00:52:55
Speaker
But that's insane, because you understand a cookie pizza is a cookie the size of a pizza. A pizza cookie is a pizza flavored cookie. It says pizza cookie. So I keep saying pizza cookie. This mozzarella stick is good. Yeah, those mozz sticks look really good. But is the marinara... Yeah, I just sent you a picture. Is the marinara vegan? I don't know if the marinara is vegan or not.
00:53:24
Speaker
Oh God, here look, look at this picture I'm gonna send to you. The label, I kid you not people, it says pizza cookie, so that's what I'm calling it. I legitimately can't tell if we're on the show or not anymore. Oh, we're on the show. This will be cut up, don't worry. This is a very loose, very fun. It does say pizza cookie. Yeah, this episode was meant to just be sort of our celebration of getting to 10. So, Roses, do you wanna head into the outro?
00:53:49
Speaker
yes let it let us wait the outro or the super star at the superstition we are losing it on this podcast tonight the the this one's for us look this one's just for us this one
00:54:08
Speaker
There were nine that were for you guys. This one is for us. We've got cookie pizzas and pizzas and crinkle fries that are a little soggy and we gushed about it in an object games. I feel like I gushed a little too much. I get very excited.
00:54:27
Speaker
Do I get too excited? I don't know. We'll see. We'll see when I edit this. If I feel like I'm too excited, I'll just edit my pitch down to sound like my voice is slower and everyone will be like, the fuck is that? Do you want me to put in the break music? Yeah, let's do it. Let's put the break music.
00:55:01
Speaker
Hey everyone, we're back. Welcome back from break. Matt, how are you doing? Are you enjoying your food? I'm loving my food. I had so many mozzarella sticks already. Now I'm just diving into this pizza.
00:55:15
Speaker
I was apprehensive about getting the mozzarella sticks for you because A, I didn't know how much you would like them, but you like cheese pizza so that I was kind of using my detective skills like, you know what? He likes cheese pizza. Why wouldn't he like fried cheese? It just makes sense. A lot of places mess up. You love them? I love mozzarella sticks. I adore mozzarella sticks.
00:55:39
Speaker
Some places don't do them well. So I was like, I don't know what if they don't do them well, but apparently, apparently they are yummy. So this is just us being kind of like loose as hell at this
Reflections on Podcast Enthusiasm
00:55:52
Speaker
point in the show. Yeah. Yeah. You're getting casual roses and matte right now. This is the show like completely. We've we've we've consciously decided to let ourselves go off the rails. And I'm fine with it. That's my nature.
00:56:06
Speaker
that's just in my nature is to go off the rails a little bit. So I'm fine with it. I hope you guys enjoy this episode. Regardless, I think any kind of enthusiasm for anything is very infectious. The word infectious is a weird word because it applies like infection. I don't like it. It's contagious. That's not great either. I'm a viral.
00:56:32
Speaker
It's one of those things, yeah, it's, I think people will like it. What have you been working on, Matt? What's going on? Tell us about your personal life, Matt. Yeah, you know, honestly, school, I am, I'm in school for anthropology.
00:56:50
Speaker
just working on a bachelor's degree for anthropology. I didn't go to school as a youngster, so I'm going to school now. The deeper into it you get, obviously, the more difficult it gets. So I'm also minoring in literature.
00:57:15
Speaker
So I'm taking a literature class, like I'm taking, yeah, a 200 level literature class and I'm taking a archeology class. So it's just a lot of reading and a lot of research. And that's basically what I've been doing. How about yourself?
00:57:31
Speaker
I have been working on art, but not the kind of art that I've been selling. Sadly, I've been shipping away at this custom diamond art painting that I don't know my brain. I must have blacked out when I ordered it because it's 24 by 24. That's two feet by two feet.
00:57:52
Speaker
And I think if you're following me on Instagram or Twitter, you've probably seen the progress pics, it has been taking months to get this thing done. And it's it's custom. So it's one of my illustrations that I had a grid made for it's it's my artwork, just they made the grid for me. So I had a production partner for this one, I guess you could say.
00:58:13
Speaker
And I don't know what to charge for this piece at all because it took about, it cost about a hundred dollars to put together, right? It took a few hours to do the illustration in Procreate and it's taking over a hundred hours to lay down the gems. What do I do with this? How do I sell this? I don't know. It's almost like the labor has
00:58:42
Speaker
superseded the value or do I even sell it? You guys let me know what you think. Like, what would you do in my situation? I gave you all the specs. I gave you the production cost. I gave you the size and the hours and time spent. But when it comes down to it, the final product really is just, it is a diamond arc canvas. That's what it is. You know,
00:59:04
Speaker
and you guys get to decide, so if you guys all decide $7, she's selling it for $7. $7 baby, no profit. Actually, I'm kind of hustling on it because I want to get it into a gallery. If nobody minds, I'm just going to talk like an artist for a second.
00:59:26
Speaker
So there's this gallery in Chicago called Woman Made Gallery. It has an emphasis on non-binary and female identifying artists and creators, and I really like it. I'm a patron of theirs, and they have a showing, an exhibition coming up about visibility.
00:59:41
Speaker
And I think this diamond art is the perfect thing for feeling invisible. It's supposed to represent depression, and yet it's so beautiful. It has all these shiny diamonds on it. It's glistening. It's gorgeous. You look at it, and it's fascinating. But really, the content is very sad. It intentionally draws your eye, even though you're looking at a person who would not want to be looked at.
01:00:04
Speaker
Yeah, and it's it I've always felt because I have depression myself and I've always felt like, but is it invisible or not? It feels like it's invisible. It feels like people don't see me. But I think people do see me and they're just choosing what to see. So I think, you know, in this in this piece,
01:00:20
Speaker
You know, people are looking at the sad content, but they're not seeing that they're seeing everything around it. They're seeing the outside of it and not what's inside of it. So I'm going to be wish me luck, everyone, because I'm going to be submitting it to that as long as I get it done. It's about 80 percent. That's awesome. Let's play a game. Can you guess how many diamond gems are in that piece? It's two feet by two feet.
01:00:45
Speaker
Okay, two feet by two feet. And a diamond gem, I'm holding it in my hand, it's like a, what, like a, it's like the width of a nickel. So I'm being very scientific about this, I'm calculating it. I'm very curious about what you're gonna come up with. So if there's like,
01:01:13
Speaker
It's two feet by two feet, right? And there's about 30 centimeters in a foot. So if we do like 60, this can't be, this is way too low. I was gonna say 60 times 60, that's 3,600, that feels too low. That's absurdly low, Matt. I'm just gonna put that up there. Not even close, not even a little. This can't even be true. I looked it up on the internet. Is there only 30 centimeters in a foot?
01:01:43
Speaker
That is true. Don't know? Huh. Just go with your instincts. Knowing that 3,000 is so entirely incorrect, what is your instinct? 70,000. That's actually not bad. That's a pretty good guess. See? There you go. It's 55,000.
01:02:04
Speaker
55,000. And I don't want anyone to fucking email us about why my math was so wrong. Though they're going to. I do not want to hear about it. I don't need to know this stuff. There's nothing in my life that requires me to think of square centimeters and trans. There's nothing. There's no benefit. Don't email me.
01:02:31
Speaker
Oh God. Don't email him. You can email me if you'd like. We have the same email address. Here's a thing that while we're in this like really casual segment here, I want to do and it's something we've never done before and it is to promote the musician who the artist who made our intro.
Acknowledgment of Podcast Musician
01:02:55
Speaker
That's a great, brilliant idea. This is a guy who does everything on a like a
01:03:01
Speaker
a Creative Commons Zero license. So his whole thing is, yes, please take my music and make stuff with it. You don't have to credit me. You don't have to pay me. Oh, wow, no credit? Right, correct. That's unheard of. So I, but.
01:03:17
Speaker
I love our intro and outro music so much. So I'm gonna credit him now. His name is Halizna. I don't know if I'm pronouncing that right, but it's H-O-L-I-Z-N-A. And he put CC Zero at the end of his name because he's really dedicated to the Creative Commons Zero license. So Halizna CC Zero, you can find him at HaliznaCCZero.bandcamp.com.
01:03:47
Speaker
nice he's also on all like the free music archives and you know i dug through
01:03:53
Speaker
hours of music. Yeah, I know. Guys, you have no idea how hard it is to find intro, background music. It is a chore, let me tell you. Right. And this guy who lives in his music, I have used it for projects before. And so when I was listening to so much music and there was one track that stood out, it's the one that is our
01:04:22
Speaker
intro music there's there's there was this one track that stood out and I just kept coming back to it as I was looking at other things and I was like you know there's something that seems familiar about this and then I looked at his other stuff and realized oh I've used this guy's stuff in other things nothing public but other things before
01:04:41
Speaker
Yeah, and we'll link that in the show notes then. That's a great resource, honestly, that's brilliant. This song specifically is called Complications, and it's just really good. That's such a cool thing to do. But do you guys wanna hear the song I wanted to go with for my intro? They can't answer, they're gonna hear it anyway. Here we go.
01:05:10
Speaker
Aww yeah! Look at him the second time pushing up roses. I think that is not bad intro music at all. Thanks, thank you. But complications is so good, right? Like it's such a good track. No it is, it fits, it fits for sure.
01:05:30
Speaker
I wanna thank everybody for having listened, for being here for 10 episodes. It's been really cool getting to know you guys through email and seeing you on the social media platforms. And I'm just so, I can't believe anyone listens to this. Anyone wants to listen to this. And the fact that there's so many of you is just really cool. You know what you could do and we never asked this, but if you could share the show, we're not going to like, we can't.
01:05:58
Speaker
pay to promote this show. Right. And we have no other means of doing so besides our social media. So if all of you could just, you know, share it on yours or tell a friend or like if you all told one friend, hey, there's this cool podcast I listened to, like that would be so huge for us. Yeah.
01:06:21
Speaker
That'd be lovely. I yeah, you're right. We haven't really asked that and maybe we should please. You know, I don't I do that in my YouTube videos ask people to share and especially with you know, people that like this kind of content. We would really be appreciative word of mouth is so, so important and don't get me wrong. I think we're doing great. Like I am so stoked that we have this many people but we would love to reach as many people as we can of course.
01:06:48
Speaker
Because there's other people that would find value in this that don't know this exists. I agree. That's the primary thing. I know that there are people out there that would like this would bring something to their lives and they just don't know where to find it or how to find it or that it's there at all.
01:07:09
Speaker
So if you listen on Spotify and you use their mobile app, you can give us five stars on Spotify. If you listen on iTunes, you can give us five stars. You can write a review. And I know every- Dude, we have a good star review on iTunes. I know everybody says, every podcast asks you, hey, please rate and review our show. But it's because that honestly super, super matters. Oh, I didn't know that. I can't tell you
01:07:40
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Every podcast could be telling you this and it could go, you could be processing it every time and it still isn't stressing enough how much it matters for visibility. And if you get a bunch of reviews at the beginning of your show and then you don't get reviews later on, your show's gonna drop in visibility again, right? You need to have consistent reviews to get views. So to have visibility. So, you know, again. Oh man, I'm gonna go leave a review.
01:08:08
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I don't mean, I don't mean to sound, I don't mean to sound like this is your problem listener, because it's not, but I just wanna stress that it would, that would help us in incredible amount if you could write reviews on whatever app you listen to this on and YouTube, same thing, if you listen to YouTube. Yeah, for sure. It would help us immensely and it would help
Encouraging Listener Engagement
01:08:34
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whoever you share the show with if they end up enjoying it.
01:08:38
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Yeah, good call, Matt. Good job. And, you know, again, make sure you're emailing us if you have any questions or thoughts or comments or, you know, if you want to respond to something we said on the show, except for my fucking math. Don't do it. Leave me alone about that. Don't do it. Don't email him.
01:08:55
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But anything else that we say on the show that you want to respond to, feel free. We want to keep doing Q&A episodes. And the only way we can do that is we get emails from you guys. And I want to do this podcast as long as we have the will to do it.
01:09:10
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Yeah, I hope this podcast goes for literal years, but who knows? For literal years. We'll be 80 and I'll be like, Matt, did you play that new point and clicky? No, my mouse isn't working. I called the man about it and he said to just turn it on. I don't know what he's talking about. Did you plug it in? Matt, did you plug it in? Of course it's, oh wait.
01:09:41
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And that's what our friendship will look like when we're 80. And thank you for all the kind comments. I see them on Twitter every now and then. And there was one even today. I don't know if you saw it, Matt, but somebody.
01:09:56
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Just told us that this podcast brings some joy and I kind of live for that. So thank you Very much. Yeah, that's all we want to do. I I don't want to make stuff. Okay, I make stuff for myself. I enjoy making it right but It wouldn't I wouldn't keep doing it it wouldn't mean anything to me if it didn't bring anything to anybody else so I
01:10:20
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hearing that from you people is incredible. It really makes our day. We share it with each other. We like text each other, oh my God, you see that email? We do, yeah. And keep in mind, this is like, you know, this podcast, even though it is a little extra work, but this is for us too. Like we legitimately enjoy doing this. And in this age of busyness, it's hard to keep friendships. This is a good way to do it. Collaborate with your BFF guys.
01:10:50
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I don't know, there could be ethical problems there. Maybe don't listen to me. I don't know, it's working for us. I don't want anyone to burn down their friendships because of my terrible advice. Yeah, it's not everybody who can, it's not every friendship that can stand a working relationship to be appended to it, but that's true. Hey, it's good for ours.
01:11:16
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But if you got a topic that you both love, like adventure games, I think it worked. Or just if you have a topic that you both love and it is adventure games, just send us your ideas and we'll do it. We'll take it. We'll take it and do it. That is a topic and we'll just talk about it on this podcast. It could be anything. It could be climate change. I'm kidding. Rose, is anything else you want to say before we dip out on our 10th episode?
01:11:43
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I think we very well cover it. Thank you, Matt, for being a great co-host and for being enthusiastic about the idea. And for this cookie pizza. I did it. You got it right. Thank you for my mozzarella sticks and my cookie pizza. No, I don't have a cookie pizza. I have a regular pizza. Guys, email us at mattandroses at gmail.com. And come back here next week. We'll have another cool episode for you.
01:12:09
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Yes, we'll be back. Matt, you want to take us out? Not in the bad way. Like don't like kill us or anything. Want to take us out? Clamp it down. Clamp this one down. Podcast is art and art is suffer.