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Speaker: Welcome to Recruitment News Australia Summer Series Part 2 brought to you by Wingman Recruitment. We hope you're enjoying our summer series. This is the second part of the interview on Gen Z and what they're really like.
Speaker: Okay, so this recording is for the Recruitment News Australia podcast with Ross and Adele. And this is Adele Last and I'm interviewing my two children as part of our series around gin zid Gen Z, Gen and ah their opinions on the current work environment and, you know, generally what's happening, i guess, in our society. So I'd like to welcome, introduce and welcome my two children. First, I welcome Ivraya Hodgson, who's 19. Hi, Ivraya.
Speaker: Hello. And then I welcome my son, Vinly Hodgson, who is 16, about to turn 17. Hi, Vinly. Hello. And my children have different surnames to me ah because they have their father's surname. I do have the same surname, but I've kept my professional surname of Adele last, if anyone's wondering about the difference in names. So I'm going to ask my kids a couple of questions that are similar. to what Ross has asked his children. So you're going to get a little bit of a cross section from slightly two different age groups within the Gen z I keep saying Gen Z and Ross tells me off it's Gen Z, I know. The Gen said demographic. But let's start with your current situation for both of you. Raya, if you can just start with ah what you're currently doing in your life, um work, school, all of the things, give us a bit of an overview.
Speaker: um it Well, I'm currently about to start second year of uni doing a Bachelor of Science. um But right now, since there's no uni at the moment, um I'm working through an agency as like casual at Trade Zone, which is a warehouse distributor. Yeah.
Speaker: Great. Okay. What sort of work do you do there? um So like picking stock and then packaging it and sending it off or ah picking something and then handing it directly to a customer that's picking it up.
Speaker: Okay. So general sort of pick packing type work in a warehouse. Yeah. Lovely. And you're working full time hours. Yes. Okay. And Vinly, tell us, school work, what are you up to at the moment?
Speaker: but school work. So beginning next year, I'll be going into a year 11 at Masanod College. And i am mainly focusing on a lot of humanity subjects, especially politics, as that's what i want to for a career.
Speaker: um Otherwise, I'm doing, your you know, maths and ah English, as well as economics, ah religion and literature. Okay. And work-wise, tell us about your work experience.
Speaker: ah I work at McDonald's. I work as a front counter ah employee. So that's, you know, making desserts, getting customers orders, packing their orders, handing it out in the drive-thru, things like that.
Speaker: Excellent. Now, some of our listeners will be familiar with your work history, Vinly, because we've referenced you before in the podcast in talking about McDonald's and McHire. ah app and how you were engaged through that. So i want to explore that just a little bit further before we move on to the next section. So tell us about your overall experience.
Speaker: You applied through the app, you were processed through the app, it's all AI based and then you ultimately gained the job after a final interview. Just tell us about how you felt about that process.
Speaker: um I think it was pretty well done. i think it was pretty smooth, straightforward. You know, it asks you some basic questions, sort of, I don't know how important they were, but then, it you know, it gets all your information in and obviously someone at the ah restaurant you're applying for reviews it, goes through. I've had a little bit of insight into the process since I started at Macca's and how it works and what it means for the managers to receive your information. um But I thought it went pretty smoothly. I think it works incredibly well.
Speaker: You know, there isn't anything that you don't understand that's, you know, hard to comprehend. It's all pretty straightforward. And I think it does a good job. It's sort of just, especially for someone, a lot of people wear Maccas as their first job. It's really good at getting you in and getting you and a good shot at getting an interview and giving it good chance for us.
Speaker: So you think that AI app was an advantage to you in getting the position? helped you get a position. Yeah, I think it was because I think, you know, so many people are scared that you have to go in in person, hand in their resume and they're worried about this and that. But it just made it really simple because our generation is so, you know, tech savvy, I guess a lot of people would say that it it just it endears and panders to us and what we like doing.
Speaker: It just made a lot easier. Excellent. All right. Very good. um Tell us about your favourite part of your job. What do you like about the work that you currently do? And I know this is a part-time job while you're at school, so it's reasonably limited, but be kind. What do you like about it?
Speaker: I think the biggest factor is that I work with so many friends. So, i mean, I understand i go i go to work to work and, you know, make a little bit of money, but I actually go to work and enjoy it for the social aspect a lot of the time because plenty of my friends work there. So it's just a good chance to, you know, obviously gain some experience, you know, actually feel like I'm contributing to the world in some way, but also just, you know, enjoy some time with some mates while we're doing something that is somewhat important.
Speaker: Okay, so I'm hearing you, the social aspect is as important as the work. What about for you, Ivrea, what area of the work that you're doing now do you like the most? um I think it might be the people as well.
Speaker: They're... um They're all like older than me obviously, but they treat me like um like a little sister almost and they're very helpful and they're all tradies obviously, so there's like banter and um they make me feel included and stuff and help me a lot and it's ah yeah it makes it not feel so like um draining and repetitive.
Speaker: Okay. What about dislikes then while you're mentioning draining and repetitive? Are there any aspects of the work that you're currently doing that you dislike? Also,
Speaker: the people, but not the people I work with, the customers. okay. The ones paying the bills that keep you in work? Is that the ones you're meaning? Yeah. I don't interact with them very much because I'm not a customer service, but for the short moment that I do have to interact with them when handing them ah an order or something, or sometimes they spot me and they try to ask me to do something when it's not my job. And it's a little frustrating sometimes.
Speaker: Okay. Same question to you, Vinli. What about dislikes or frustrations of your job? um I'm definitely going to second the ah the customers aspect at McDonald's, especially given I work in the area that deals with the customers the most.
Speaker: But I think something about fast food just brings out the worst in people sometimes where, you know, you get really silly questions, you get... attitude, you get people who are complaining about the stupidest of things. And I understand it, right? You expect a service from McDonald's, right? it's ah It's a global corporate standard that we're held to. But sometimes things are out of our control, things we just can't do for you. So I think, you know, while there's some amazing customers, we get a lot of regulars who are great people. They come in, you recognize their face, you say hello, you can have a conversation with them. We definitely get some some bad apples in the bunch that come throughou come through our Maccas and just make it a really unenjoyable experience sometimes.
Speaker: OK, fair enough. ah What do you think you're learning in the current job? What do you think you going to take away when you do finish or move on to another role?
Speaker: um I think I think the training that's been provided for me, you know, especially the dealing with customers and the sort of problem solving aspects that Mac has instilled in people just having the ability to take initiative in a certain event, you know, give yourself a role, task, something to do, get it done. i think that'll be very beneficial, something I can take away to multiple jobs.
Speaker: Okay, great. And what about for you, Ivraya? What do you feel that you're all going to take away from the role you're working in? I think the resilience because obviously it's a very physical job and you get injured a little bit sometimes but you just have to keep going and it yeah just yeah doing things yourself and like getting stronger at it and stuff especially with physical jobs like that. Okay very good.
Speaker: Alright, I'm going to move on to the second part of the interview where I want to ask about your opinions about a couple of, um I guess, statements or things that are going on. So I've got three different kind of, I guess, this stereotypes to some extent around Gen Z and I want you guys to comment about them, how you feel. Just be honest. We just want to understand a little bit more about the psyche about Gen Z, particularly in the current climate and the current work environment. So I'll finish the statement and then I'll throw to one of you to answer and then and then the other. So Z prioritise work-life balance. They seek jobs that facilitate their lives, not the other way around, leading to demand for remote working and the ability to disconnect from work-related communications after hours. They believe many things once considered privileges are now necessities.
Speaker: Gen Z believes their employer is purchasing their value, not their time. The focus is on the outcome and the quality of their contribution, not the number of hours spent at a desk or spent at the job. All right, we'll start with you, Raya. What do you think about that statement? What's your first impression, first thoughts?
Speaker: It sounds true. It's true? That's what I would say. um at least for me, I definitely think that um I don't want a job to control my life the same way I wouldn't want like school or something things to control my life.
Speaker: I'd like to also have downtime and time for myself. I think that's important. um It doesn't like for me, it wouldn't have to be a remote job that um obviously I'm working in person so it doesn't have to but it is a job where I can um come home and not have to think about it at all which I like that aspect a lot and I think I'd be okay if I still had to come home and do bit of work but not if it was
Speaker: the only thing that I did and it was consuming everything so I think yeah not the remote aspect might be a little not 100 accurate but I think um yeah most people in my generation would their own time they'd they'd ah consider their employer hiring their skills instead of just hiring them for someone to do the job. Okay, good. What about Vinly? Tell us your opinion of that statement.
Speaker: um I think it actually it draws many comparisons to what um especially people my age think about school where you go to school for a certain amount of time, you come home and you can kind of disconnect from it. I think it's very similar. I think the statement is true. First and foremost, I'll preface that. I believe it it is very true because um people don't want to have to deal especially with the whole thing of clocking off after a shift or like you know going home from your office job and you just you're just not available right you've gone home to be at home and be yourself because i think there's just sort of two different you kind of have to be two different people you know one time when you're working and one time when you're not working you can just be yourself and relax so i think especially a lot of people in our generation
Speaker: aren't trying to deal with whatever their work has to entail for them when they're at home, when they're when they're relaxing. And i I think the the remote aspect is is becoming a lot larger, especially with what technology allows people to do for their jobs.
Speaker: where the the necessity of going, you let's say driving into the city and um sitting down an office where you can do the exact same things at home in the same amount of time, if not less, because you you know you don't have to drive in you don't have to make the commute to to work every day. And that's draining for so many people. People hate that. I don't want to have to drive waste two hours of my day driving into the city and back.
Speaker: So I think there's a lot of value gained from people being able to just not necessarily wake up at 8.50, clock on and get all their work done and go home. But um just having that ease of life where you can transition so seamlessly between, you know, getting your work done and being efficient, but also having the ability to just clock off and be yourself.
Speaker: Okay. Interesting. So one of you feeling that, uh, the remote work and flexibility isn't as highly valuable as the other. So that's good different opinions there as well. And feel free to answer this Both of you referenced your generation or friends in that and feel free to answer these questions with what you know, of what your friends might consider um reasonable as well. Okay, I'm going to go into the next statement. I'm going to start with you this time, Vinly. So both of you listen clearly clearly to this one.
Speaker: Gen Z is a purpose-driven generation that demands clear, simple answers to big questions about a company's ethics and impact, such as who do we generate wealth for? Who do we help or harm in terms of the planet? Do we treat our people well? How are we growing our sector? How do we support our wider community? And are we on the right side of history?
Speaker: They expect organisations to take a firm stance on social and political issues like Black Lives Matter, climate strikes, the gender pay gap and the war on gaza they view corporate responsibility as a basic expectation not a bonus and are watching to see if leaders still care about diversity and inclusion as political winds shift
Speaker: that's a big one i know yeah so is it important to you the company that you work for what they do where the money goes Are they supporting or, you know, the right kind of um communities and and, you know, wars and those kind of things? Is that important to you?
Speaker: um Yeah, I think the the moral aspect of things is important, especially like a lot of those issues are moral issues as as much as they are political issues.
Speaker: um especially when it comes to our generation and we're so focused. I think it's it's ah it's a lot more prominent now for gens for Gen Z where we prioritize, you know, understanding who are we helping, who are we not helping.
Speaker: The
Speaker: but many that... Sorry, I can't think with these dogs. yeah We didn't do that. They were barking. so Yeah, we can start this one again. do you want me read it again?
Speaker: Yeah, I need the question again. Yeah, I'm stumbling with the answers. Okay. So Gen Z is a purpose-driven generation that demands clear, simple answers to big questions about a company's ethics and impact, such as who do we generate wealth for? Who do we help or harm?
Speaker: Do we help or harm the planet? Do we treat our people well? How are we growing our sector? How do we support our wider community? And are we on the right side of history? They expect organisations to take a firm stance on social and political issues like Black Lives Matter, climate strikes, the gender pay gap and the war on Gaza. They view corporate responsibility as a basic expectation, not a bonus. And they're watching to see if leaders still care about diversity and inclusion as political winds shift. The biggest thing for me personally that I would worry about is if I'm working for a corporation harming the environment, especially like a local Australian environment, because I'm very...
Speaker: climately inclined to protect Australia, protect the world because like there is as far as we know only one earth for us to live on there's only one place that we can exist right now so we need to try and protect what we've got.
Speaker: So i feel like i wouldn't be able to comfortably bring myself to support a business that does knowingly harm the environment, especially intentionally. If they intentionally are harming the environment through their actions, I can't support them.
Speaker: Otherwise, where a company stands politically, where what it like who they're sending their money to, that sort of thing is not too much of an issue for me. Obviously, like with a little bit more consideration, if I feel as though it goes against my values as a person and exactly 100% how I feel, because I don't feel too strongly strongly about certain things, if I don't feel too strongly about it, I'm not going to worry.
Speaker: But if it's if it's a a logic larger, let's say, political issue and I feel quite strongly about it, I think I'll have a ah more deliberate reaction to it and the end up probably not working with company so for me personally it's not too much of an issue I think it it just it varies based on my values and I understand that it that question especially and those kind of topics can be a lot more um volatile for majority of Gen Z. Okay all right so you are outright saying if it was
Speaker: a value issue that you felt strongly with, it is you would not work for that company. You would give up what might be a really great job for all and intents and purposes if if it didn't align with your values.
Speaker: Yes, but not, there isn't many jobs that would in indict that or um would cause me to have that sort of reaction. There isn't many things a company could do. Like I'm not,
Speaker: too motivated by that many of my values to give up on something like that, especially if it is a good amount of money. It comes down to money. All right, we hear you. um Raya, what about your stance on that? How important is it for you to work for a company that has a good um social, you know just high social justice um in, you know, in the community?
Speaker: It's also kind of yes and no for me. I'm not a very political person and I usually don't have a strong opinion about those kinds of things. I'm just aware of it to be aware of it.
Speaker: But I think also like Vinly, environment issues would bother me a little bit. But at the end of the day, if it's a big corporation, like some makeup brand or something, and I'm just working as a customer service, like at the front desk of some random location in Chadston, it I'm not, no one's going to look at, see me and go, oh, you're working for this big company. That means you support what they're doing.
Speaker: You know what I mean? so I don't think it would really bother me too much unless it was like a smaller organization where my position in it is enough that people would notice and it and it would mean that I'm supporting it. But if it's like a big corporation and my role isn't that important, then it's not affecting me that much.
Speaker: Okay. that So interesting. does Does that make sense? Yeah, it does. It does. Alright, the final statement Gen Z desires for rapid career progression despite their challenges such as phone anxiety and difficulty tolerating uncomfortable emotions. Ultimately Gen Z, like any other generation, is not loyal to nameless, faceless corporations but to people. So this one's I think in two parts. so yeah this statement is saying that you guys ah wanting rapid career progression regardless of any challenges and one of the challenges i mentioned is phone anxiety, so not wanting to speak to people on the phone um or dealing with difficult emotions and you guys both mentioned customer service as a difficult part or dealing with customers as a difficult part of your role. So ah how do you feel about that statement? Just a quick answer on this one maybe. so
Speaker: think I think in response to the phone anxiety thing, it's not so much of an issue for me personally. Like I don't mind if I have to make a phone call to, you know, ring up someone and say, hey I'm calling from so-and-so.
Speaker: i don't find um that to be a limitation. Yeah, I don't find that to be a limitation. Well, that's just one example. What about other things that you might be limited in doing? Do you feel that your skills limitations should hold you back from career progression?
Speaker: I don't believe that just because you work at a place for however much time that you should expect um a certain amount of compensation. I believe that you should be compensated fairly for the amount of, or the, ah obviously the quality of your abilities.
Speaker: I think as good as you are, you should be compensated for. So if you're, Let's say you work at a company and it does a really specific job and only 15 people in the world can do it and you're the third best in the world at doing that specific job. I think you should be compensated equally for that amount and not pay just because you're in this position and you haven't worked here long enough, you don't get paid that amount.
Speaker: So I don't expect rapid progression. I expect payment based on ability. Would you agree with that, Raya? Yeah. Yeah, I don't expect to rapid progression either. Yeah, I think people should just be paid based on the work that they're doing, not because they're they've been there for 50 years and they're at the top of the like a really high role in the organization. That means they get money. They could be not doing anything in their job, but they're still getting a lot of money. That doesn't make sense.
Speaker: OK, what about the loyalty final part of that um loyalty? You're loyal to you're not loyal to nameless faces corporations, but more to the people. I think you both kind of probably Yeah, I would say that's true. It's not the brand you're working for. There's no human emotion behind a brand name.
Speaker: Oh, very good. That's a good statement. Would you agree, Vinly? Yeah, 100%. hundred percent I don't think I would care much. But I think we're, yeah, we we don't care as a generation, we don't care much for what the company or the corporation thinks. And it's it's more about interpersonal relationships and in the workplace that we actually value because I think that's what humans value, if that makes sense. Excellent. That leads on to this final part, which is about leadership. ah You haven't had a lot of work experience, either of you, but we're looking for the qualities. Maybe you can just give me one or two each. The qualities that make a good leader.
Speaker: What do you look for? or What are you looking for? What have you already seen in the workplaces you worked in? What makes a good leader? Give me one or two words. Fairness. Okay, good. Any others? I think communication.
Speaker: Great. Final one. Is maturity quality? Can be. Professionalism, maturity. ye Yeah. Yeah. Good. ah In the future, what do you think you'll be looking for from your career? Or maybe make this a little broader. What do you think your friends are looking for from their career? What are you hoping for? You guys are starting out at that early stage of your career. So what are you hoping for? What's the ultimate aim for your whole career?
Speaker: Would I be wrong to say to generate wealth? No, not at all. And most recruiters who are listening to this are going to try and recruit you, Vinly, because that's a driving force behind most recruiters. They want people who want to earn money. So you might have flagged yourself as a future recruiter.
Speaker: um Anything else there? What do you think your friends are looking for, Raya? Does it have to my friends? like Can I say what I'm looking for? Yeah, sure. can say what you're looking for. think... It'd be a job that I can wake up and like be excited to go to and want to go to and where it feels like I'm making a difference.
Speaker: like I've always liked animals. So something, just an example doesn't have to be, but something with animals, would I'd be excited to do that because I love animals. but And I'd also feel accomplished because I'm helping directly helping animals.
Speaker: My friends, I think, feels like they just want to make money and get by in the world because everything is very expensive these days. Okay, fair answer. All right, our final stage of the conversation is going to be about some ratings.
Speaker: I'm going to ask you to rate your feelings about a couple of key topics. There are there are people and there are you know there are things and topics in here. So number rating five is that you feel highly positive about this thing.
Speaker: Obviously, four is generally positive. Three is a bit neutral. Two is irrelevant or unknown. And one means negative. You do not like it or you don't, you know, you don't rate it.
Speaker: So i want you to give me a rating from one to five, five highest, one lowest on each of these things as we go through. If you've got any other comments after it, you can comment as well. But otherwise, if you just want to give me the rating, that's fine. Let's start ah the first one, Ivrea, with you.
Speaker: First topic that I want a rating on is smashed avo on toast.
Speaker: Good or bad? One, i do I do not like avocados. Okay, that's you personally? They taste they have they taste like dirt. okay Sorry, avocado lovers.
Speaker: I'll give it a two just to one up, but no look, I think avocados are right, but I don't have it on my toast. Okay. um Anthony Albanese, Ridley, let's start with you. set need to worry what i need to watch what I'm going to say. um Why? Because of your future political career? Potentially, potentially. That's all right. You can be honest here.
Speaker: I'll start off with the writing. i'll just I'm going to be very neutral in just say three. Okay. Right in the middle, where I feel as though there isn't anyone else that could be doing a better job with the state of Australia that it's in currently.
Speaker: i don't feel as though he's... I mean, everyone is entitled to think that he's doing too little. More or less, there's there's a lot of things that have to be done, and whether or not he's doing them... is It's not entirely up to him, obviously. There's lot of people that work in the government. and It's not all directly linked to him.
Speaker: But I feel like he's not too unlikable. ah so Some people can, you know, you take to people different ways. But I feel as though as long as he maintains this prospective idea of not doing too many things, not doing too few things. it just I just think I think he's... Middle of the road. Yeah, I think he's very very middle of the road. He's succeeding at not annoying too many people, if that makes sense. Okay. very political answer there from you, Vinly, and I'm sure that you would need to have some feeling about it because if you want to get into politics, you have to decide what you want to change as well, which is good. If Raya, your rating on Anthony Albanese, five high, one low.
Speaker: Also just a three. Okay. He's like... Feeling like warm about him. All right. Yeah, um he doesn't... He's not doing anything super good or anything super bad, so there's not much opinion.
Speaker: Yeah. Okay. Very interesting. our Next topic, Rae, we'll start with you. Taylor Swift. A two. A two. Vinly? I'm not a huge fan and some of the fans can be a a bit overwhelming at times.
Speaker: Okay. No Swifty there. Vinly?
Speaker: i'll give it I'll give it a three because I think she does she does have a few songs that ah that are quite good, some some some bangers in there, but I feel as though her a lot of her newer stuff kind of just sounds like unseasoned chicken and plain rice on a plate.
Speaker: Okay. So a little bit hard. The Swifties are going to come for him. A little bit hard for me get I don't think we have many Swifties listening to our podcast, but, yeah, Julie noted. All right, moving on to the next topic, Vinley, starting with you. You should have no opinion on this, but I think you might.
Speaker: beer i don't know i mean like it love it hate it i'll give it a four have you tried it since you're 16. look i'll give i'll give beer a four given it's such an integral part of australian culture i think it's quite important to who we are as a nation and identity i don't know if that's exactly a good thing but you know it's it's it's very much a part of who we are as australians so i think i think it deserves ah a high rating of of positiveness all right very good raya beer for you That's a very fancy answer. um
Speaker: I'll give it three because i like vodka more. Okay. Next topic. I'm going to start with you, Ivraya. Instagram. Considering I just downloaded it a week ago. um Okay. Like a three.
Speaker: Feeling good. All right. And Vinly? I'll give it a... Can like, decimal answers? Sure. Can I give it a 4.5, not quite a 5? Ooh!
Speaker: I think Instagram is quite good. I think it's a great way for people, especially people my age, to share what they're doing with their lives, you know, what kind of things they enjoy. And it's a great it's a great way to express ourselves to others and not necessarily have to, you know, meet them in person and talk to them and know them for a long time. People can kind of get a little bit of an insight. Obviously, on social media, it's the best of us at times. It's never the worst of us. It's not what you would post. So i think i think it's a good way to show off, not show off necessarily, but demonstrate to people kind of who you are a little bit.
Speaker: Okay. You want like this next one, Vinly? So we'll start with you. Uber Eats. Straight away, give that a five. That is one of the greatest inventions in the world. I think i think the person responsible for it should honestly deserve some kind of medal and a award as a trophy because it is it is truly one of the greatest inventions ever.
Speaker: Okay. I know that you are single-handedly keeping certainly our drivers in the area in business. That's for sure. Ray, our Uber Eats for you. I'll give it a four because I don't like cooking, so it's nice just having stuff delivered straight to the door. Great.
Speaker: Very good. All right. Next topic, just jump in with a number. Ed Sheeran. Four. He's pretty funny. Four. He's ginger. Lovely. We like him and he's ginger. All right. Raya, I'm going to start with you on this one.
Speaker: Chat GPT. Like a two. All right. Why? I don't really use it that much and I haven't seen it be used for anything but very dodgy and sketchy things.
Speaker: Okay, very good answer. Vinly? I'll give it a four. I think it functions as a more cohesive web browser, in a sense, where it can kind of understand more of the the nuance of the questions you're asking it. And I think it the ability that you can sort of manipulate it into giving the ah the answers you want slash need um Being able to update the kind of, you know, build off of the same question again and again and again. And i think it's it's a useful tool. As much as AI can be threatening to our existence and how damaging it can be, I think it is an asset in another sense.
Speaker: Okay, very different opinions there. Raya, over to you. Harry Potter books and movies? A four because I have good memories with both, but it's an uncertain four because we we know JK Rowling is like.
Speaker: Okay. So after that very non-political response before, we now have a political stance. Fine. Linley, Harry Potter books and movies, any feelings there? ah One, because Star Wars is just outright better.
Speaker: Oh, right. Okay. Spotify, how do we feel? Five. Five. Oh, we love Spotify. Love Spotify. Amazing. Uber Eats and Spotify are up there. Okay. What about e-bikes?
Speaker: A two because people are very stupid on them. Okay. This one might set you off both a little or maybe not. Tones and I. three, I don't have much feeling. Okay.
Speaker: I'll say two. She kind of just fell off the face of the earth. so Well, we saw her in concert, right? We thought she was pretty good there. Okay. That's why it's a three. She's all right. All right. This one's an interesting topic. The monarchy.
Speaker: Three. They didn't do anything for us, basically. Yeah. Three. I think it's more of a it's it's more of a gimmick, if anything, now. Okay. little bit, yeah. Working from home and flexible work.
Speaker: Four. Four. It's not perfect, but it's quite nice. Okay. Yeah. It's a good thing. It makes it makes life a little bit more, don't know, even terms of work and being able to enjoy life. All right.
Speaker: Wine. Four. I like mine. Three. It's nice for some steak. Okay. Very good. You're very cultured, you too. I didn't know about this. All right. ah Rating for podcasts.
Speaker: Not my one specifically, but generally podcasts. Are we listening? Are we in? One. oh Sorry, I don't listen to podcasts. Well, hopefully you'll at least listen to one episode of Recruitment News Australia since you'll be on it.
Speaker: Um, maybe, I think I just get annoyed having someone talking in my ear. Okay. Vinly, podcast for you? One, not necessarily because I'd be annoyed. I just don't find the appeal of listening to other people. Obviously, i haven't dabbled too much in podcasts, but I don't don't find the appeal of podcasts. Okay. I don't find them interesting. Okay.
Speaker: All right, Vinley, what about going to the footy? I'll give that a four. You know, football is a religion in Melbourne. And especially especially this year, I've spent heaps of time. Well, 2025, I don't know when this episode will be out. 2025, I've spent a lot more of my time going to the footy and hanging out with Mason. It's a very enjoyable experience. As much as I am a very small football fan, I do enjoy going to the footy. it's it's It's a really good time. It's a good social time. i enjoy it a lot. I think it's good.
Speaker: Okay. Raya, footy, have you been? One, because the one time I went, I think almost had a heart attack from how loud the crowd was. Okay, then. ah This second last topic, that third last topic, are recreational drugs.
Speaker: but One. Okay. I can't say anything else because you're listening. Mum's on the call. No, but a wire I haven't done drugs, wouldn't wouldn't know anything about that. Okay.
Speaker: Vinly? One, never done them, never will. Okay, good to hear. Glad to hear these things. Hope it's true. Netflix? A four, because I don't use it a whole lot, but it's <unk>s nice.
Speaker: Good. Vinly? I'm going to give it 2.5. As an avid user of Netflix, I find the direction that it's going as of recent and kind of the quality of things on Netflix. Some things are good. A couple of few recent things, there's some very cherry-picked things that are good on Netflix. There is a lot of slop that just isn't as good anymore. So I think i think it's going in a downward trend.
Speaker: Okay. But I still think there's some good aspects to it. All right. There you hear it. Netflix may be on the way out. Overseas travel, both of you have traveled quite a bit. So tell us, where would you rate that? Five.
Speaker: Five. Okay. I think it's extremely important and I know it's not possible for everyone because it's expensive but I can tell the difference between someone who's traveled a lot and someone who's not. Someone who's traveled a lot is a lot more like accepting and open to things and especially culture wise and they're better adapting to different situations and they're usually a little more fun to talk to. Okay.
Speaker: okay Yeah, i think I think overseas travel is the quickest way to expand someone's perspective and and really see as much as the world has to offer. The world has pushed humans into living in our own little bubbles and going about our daily lives the exact same way. And there is nothing that bursts that bubble or at least expands it in a way like overseas travel does.
Speaker: Excellent. Okay. I was trying to say he just said it better. You both said it very well. All right. In conclusion, and final statements from you both and you can say whatever youd like you like here to close us out. What would you like to tell baby boomers, Gen X and Gen y about the way they are running things now? We're talking job market. We're talking about political situations, the economy. We're talking about the environment. We're talking about community, everything there. What would you like to say to everybody that's come before you about how things are going?
Speaker: I think perhaps the baby boomers need to take a step back and let the younger generations, not just us, including like Gen X and Y, just the generations before them to come forward. The other thing want to say is be kind to us and especially if you have kids, just think about the fact that we're also just like your kids and we're just trying to get by in the world. Cool. I like that.
Speaker: Vinli, what would you like them to conclude with? I think we need to build a world for the future. We're so focused on the now and the present. Fix such, I guess you could call them superficial issues, ah in a sense, not fix them because nothing seems to be happening.
Speaker: Where I think there needs to be a more progressive outlook taken towards so many things, but building of community and building a world where everyone is cohesive with each other and it creates a much better level of functioning amongst others, whether that's at an international level between countries or just at a small level between people. I think we all need to look forward and look to the future where like we're still going to be around and we need to protect that.
Speaker: Very good. Well, we heard some very interesting conversation and topics there for all of our listeners, those that have Gen Z children at home, perhaps starting to have some of the Gen Z workers in their office and certainly in our temporary and workforces and and placing of candidates. I think this kind of interview series, I'm hoping, has given all of our listeners a really good insight into some of the thoughts. Very small cross-section of the community, I'm aware, but great to hear some great detailed answers and contrasting answers from both the last Hodgson children and the Clenet children. So thanks very much for your time guys.
Speaker: Thank you for joining us on Recruitment News Australia. No worries. Thanks for having us
Speaker: Hope you're enjoying our summer series of Recruitment News australia where we have taken the more traditional path of doing interviews for podcasts. As you know, we normally do question of the week and news and we'll be back towards the end of January, early February with our standard format. We have one more in our summer series podcast next week with the owners, founders, leaders of H people who are a very successful recruitment business and is worth listening into that one for some inspiring tips and tricks on how to solve some major problems that you might have in your recruitment business. Thanks for listening.
