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This week Garrett & Chris are talking wrestle dads, Chris and Fax's upcoming return to Boonton, NJ, the Nick Gage Invitational 7, if Garrett and Chris should buy NWA and more!
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Wrestling Culture and Humor
00:00:33
Speaker
I am like, I am a little bit out of it, to be honest. Okay. I'm not, not, I've not been doing drugs. I promise. I mean, that's a good promise to hear. I mean, I've been like listening to like ECW shoot interviews. So it's good to know you're not like zocked out on Soma's shooting new vein.
00:01:00
Speaker
See, I feel like you should throw some of those in my Christmas stock in this year. That should be like a wrestling person's present from one to another. Wrestling drugs. I can't even imagine how good of shape you would need to be in.
00:01:24
Speaker
for your body to handle the amount of drugs those guys were on. Like if a guy my weight and like physical ability had just been like smashing pills, like I'd be done in like an hour. Merry Christmas. Here's the range of drugs that made Mr. Perfect's heart explode. And then my son's an orphan and this is his origin story.
00:01:54
Speaker
I actually did read a book about, uh, like wrestling debts. And, um, some of the stories are pretty sad. Oh, some of the stories are sad. Well, you know, the stories are kind of happy. Tito Santana was a good desk. Well, who's this, uh, the book written from like, from the children. Oh my God. That's that's brutal.
00:02:24
Speaker
It is. Some of the stories are kind of nice. Who was the one that's like, daddy was there. Daddy with the hair? No, daddy was there. Oh, Tito Santana was apparently a pretty decent dad. I mean, that's nice. What about Santana and Ortiz? They're probably okay parents, based on what I can tell. Bam Bam Bigelow?
00:02:51
Speaker
Well, again, not a bad dad when he was around slash not high on drugs. I don't know. I definitely need to. I should call my dad and say thanks. Thanks for not just popping pills like Pez. Exactly. This book really makes you go like, you know, my dad was pretty solid. You have some complaints, but on the whole can't really complain.
00:03:18
Speaker
did reading this from the kid's perspective, was there any good advice you took away where you're like, I'm gonna use that as a father. And other than just like, I should go to the Christmas pageant. I don't remember any sort of like one liners. I think my overall impression was that like, you know, you're the dad that you are, you've got to do your best. Don't again, don't get addicted to painkillers was really a big, really big one for me there.
00:03:48
Speaker
Um, yeah, just trying to like, I
Wrestler Identities and Conventions
00:03:54
Speaker
don't know. There was like little, little bits. Again, there weren't, wasn't like a big like flashing moment, but it was just kind of interesting to like meditate on like fatherhood. But when also these people who like were, uh, important to, and also I think the other thing is that even the worst dads generally had something to recommend them.
00:04:16
Speaker
It's like, just remember, it's like, you know, you're going to have some successes and hopefully you're hoping for more successes than failures on the whole. But like. Honestly, it loves you. These Russell dads did this so we didn't have to. Right. You know, they they were our mistakes for us. You know, like we will never do that. We don't have to. We know like Bambam Bigelow. I shouldn't be like him.
00:04:46
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know. He he ended up in major pain. He had zazzy clothes. Hey, I'm going to. OK, so, hey, welcome to Predetermine, a pro wrestling hangout. Garrett and Chris here, a conversation already in progress. Wrestle. But how did you how did you even know it was me, Garrett? I mean, I'm I'm sitting here. I'm I'm dressed as a a pink dinosaur bride. But I guess the sound of my voice was
00:05:16
Speaker
It was just obvious that it was me. It's from those hours of listening to you in podcasts. If I hadn't done that, I would have never known. So you're saying my voice was just as obvious as Chris Jericho's of The Masked Singer. Sir.
00:05:35
Speaker
I don't know if there's ever been anyone who is more obvious. Like I don't think there's ever been somebody on that show where they're like, oh, that's definitely who that is. And I don't think- There've been a couple. Gronkowski was pretty obvious. The first time that Hanson sung, my wife was like across the room, like across the house, in the kitchen, and she was like,
00:06:01
Speaker
Why are you listening to Hanson? And I was like, this is the masked singer. And she was like, that's Hanson. I was like, OK. She was right. So I think it's part of it's that we know Chris Jericho's voice very well.
00:06:16
Speaker
I mean, we have also listened to the song Judas once a week for the last like three years. Right. We've specifically not just heard his voice. We've listened to him sing on a regular basis. If you've listened to him sing, it's very obvious. I think my favorite part, though, was the part where he tried to fake a British accent and it was clear like that's Chris Jericho trying to sound like Austin Powers.
00:06:44
Speaker
It was just clear. I'm happy he's on there, honestly. It's fun. There are worse people to be. I mean, when last year you have Rudy Giuliani on there, and this year you got Chris Jericho, that is an improvement. Sure, sure. He was not at the January 6th riots. His wife was. Which is totally different. Daddy wasn't there.
00:07:11
Speaker
for a whole different reason. They were probably wrestling that night. Yeah. Or he was just like, ah, I don't care that much. My wife cares. That's my deep cut assumption, by the way, is that he's like, I don't, I'm not sure Chris Jericho cares about politics. I think he gives the money because his wife's, his wife's like, you got to give him the money, Chris. He's fighting for the Christian values. And Jericho's like, okay.
00:07:37
Speaker
You put up with me being an alcoholic for years, I'll put some money in for that. For sure. I mean, I'm sure we've talked about this on predetermined at some point, but Fozzie being on the road definitely has something to do with all of that. You know, there was just a moment where it was like,
00:08:00
Speaker
out of nowhere, a lot of photos of Chris Jericho and his wife on his Instagram, where before there were none. It was just good times with Fozzie late at night. I really kind of miss drunk late at night on Instagram, Fozzie Jericho. That guy was fun. He was having a good time. That's the kind of guy that was only charging like $20 for the VIP meet and greet experience.
00:08:28
Speaker
because he knew that you'd bring him a vodka. And I would've gladly brought Chris Jericho a vodka. Right, $20 plus you buy Chris Jericho a vodka. He's like, that's all I need. At Pops, which is where four years, that was the only place I knew that Fauzi ever played, and it was only the nights that Raw was down the street at the Scott Trade Center.
Wrestling History and Media
00:08:59
Speaker
He'd do the after party. It was always the after party. Why am I going to go see Fozzie? Maybe the big show's there. Who knows? He's not. He's not. He's like, do you think every Monday I'm driving down the road to go to see Fozzie?
00:09:21
Speaker
Who was the only guy on the WWE roster that was like, he's just trying to keep in good with Jericho where he's like, I'm going to go to all of them until he says he likes me. That's a good question. That's probably Miz. That's sad, but yeah, I think you're right. That's like Miz like notes on his hand, Miz. Right.
00:09:45
Speaker
early on. He's just like, I'm gonna, if I keep going to these things, Jericho like me, that'll be great. That's how I get in. Plus, I mean, he was on the real world, he was probably very used to like being at a bar on a Monday. So he was probably like, yeah, this is just normal. I just go to a bar every Monday night. People come talk to me. It's just what I do. Except when Miss shows pulls up at pops, he just like, I don't know if we're supposed to be here.
00:10:14
Speaker
This doesn't seem safe. The way you've described pops, that's definitely like not quite Mrs. Barr. Are you popping a spinny too? No, it's not a spinny. I have a limoncello LaCroix. Ooh. So I do have to admit something to you.
00:10:36
Speaker
We had discussed, over the weekend you sent a text talking about SummerSlam93, Yokozuna versus Lex Luger. And I was going to watch that. Baby has been not great today. Honestly, baby, my son might be part of the week. I'm not sure yet. We'll see how the rest of the podcast goes.
00:11:00
Speaker
but I finally get downstairs where I'm going to watch it before this. And from my recollection, I thought I saw the whole match. But I woke up on the couch, looked at my watch and saw a text from you that said you were ready at any time. And I was already like six minutes late, six minutes later than the latest time I had given you.
00:11:27
Speaker
And the match wasn't that bad. I don't think it was Lex's fault. I think it was Ozzy's fault. I mean, I wasn't to be clear. I wasn't saying this was like a lost classic. It's like a fun power match. And I think people have a recollection of that match as sucky because the ending is sucky.
00:11:49
Speaker
But the actual match itself is kind of fun. I'm not telling you that it's gonna change your life or something. I just happened to see it while watching a Lex Luger shoot interview about 1993 WWF and was like, that was better than I recall. That was enjoyable. How did you end up on the Lex Luger shoot interview?
00:12:12
Speaker
You know, I was going through some old files and I found, um, this is a company called Kaveh commentaries that used to do these things called timeline. And so they would do like a year of promotion with a wrestler who was in that promotion. Um, and I just happened to find that one and was like, yeah, I'll give that a try. Someone had cut in the matches between Luger stories. And I was like, I will.
00:12:35
Speaker
give this a whirl. I was doing some work on a Sunday, unfortunately. And I was like, you know what, this will be good, like background while I'm, while I'm working. And it was, I got some things done, felt good about it. Um, and watch some 1993 WWF was kayfabe commentaries. Was that the one with, what's the, the host of that one's name? Oh, Sean Oliver, who now hosts, um, Kevin Nash's podcast.
00:13:02
Speaker
Okay, so this is the one, I mean, I've watched many of these, at least clips of this guy's shoot interviews on YouTube. And this is the one where he's like, we got X-Pac here. We're gonna bring out the hoe bag. Oh, yes, different series. I think that was called You Shoot, where they basically get questions and stuff and do different things. But yeah, different series by the same guy.
00:13:28
Speaker
He probably doesn't do that anymore, does he? I mean, he's only interviewing Kevin Nash now, it seems. So it doesn't appear that he does that. It's every single week. He's asking the same same bag of people. That's that was not a nice segment. But usually the wrestlers were kind of respectful. He was just looking for that that sweet, sweet, you know, content. He just wanted someone to say something salacious, I think.
00:13:56
Speaker
As far as the Lex match, though, I swear to God, I did see it until the ending. But now that I'm sitting here, like, wow, Lex won, right? He wins by count out and then celebrates like he's won the title. That's the that's the bad part of the. OK, I.
00:14:17
Speaker
Maybe I didn't see the very ending. Like I do, it is an interesting match when you have to essentially have one
Fashion and Public Reactions
00:14:24
Speaker
guy who's mostly stationary while the other guy bounces around and like hits him in the back of the head. Yeah. Although I think Yoko, this was before Yoko got like totally immobile. Like he's, I mean, he's not running around like a crazy person or anything, but he's at least moving at sort of a like,
00:14:47
Speaker
good big man pace as opposed to in the later years when I mean he really was like fully immobile like um I mean he's not quite he was never quite at beast man levels of being able to move and do exciting things but um he was closer at this point he was like a point seven beast man at this time very maybe
00:15:12
Speaker
Okay, I mean, I don't know, looking at him, all I could think is, God, his knees have to hurt. I think I have hit an age where just like my knees hurt more often than I'd like. So now I look at a man that size and I'm like, no, like falling down, like I'd be done. That would be the move that got me where I'm like, no, I can't, I can't get back up, especially in front of this many people.
00:15:35
Speaker
Yeah, actually, it's in that shoot interview. Luger talks about how after he'd been, you know, training on this bus tour, the Lex Express tour for two months, he finally did the summer slam. And like the day after he was in a match and his back seized up and he really like couldn't move very well for like a couple of weeks, which I related to because a couple of weeks ago, I woke up from a nap and hurt my back doing that.
00:16:01
Speaker
I pulled a muscle waking up from a nap. So just like Lex, you know, he and I, we understand each other. He was on a bus tour for two months, entertaining millions. And I, you know, took a nap. Well, I can't imagine it's that comfortable sleeping on a bus for two straight months. No, he didn't always sleep on the bus, but sometimes, yeah, sometimes he was sleeping on a bus.
00:16:30
Speaker
Does he seem like a fun guy to be around? Like, is Lex a guy that you would go share a drink with? I'm not sure if he drinks at this point. He's very Christian, I think. Mmm. But you could have a coffee with him. He seems like a pretty entertaining... Like, he seems like the kind of guy who, if you found the right topic, you could have a fun conversation to meet and greet with.
00:16:54
Speaker
But it seems like, I mean, it was some dark times that led him to Jesus. Oh sure. Yeah. Things got pretty dark for Lex. Yeah. Like, I mean, if I remember, I remember like when I was a little kid hearing like, there's like some jail time for him, right? I don't think he, no, I don't think he went to jail, but he did like, miss Elizabeth died and he was there.
00:17:21
Speaker
That's all we know about. I think the answer is probably that they were both on a lot of drugs, allegedly. But it seemed like that was pretty rock bottom for Lex, although I don't think he ever got charged with anything, if I recall right.
00:17:37
Speaker
I think the first time I went to a wrestling convention, walking by, seeing Lex, and then having to look down at the 8x10s in front of him to figure out who I was looking at. He's a much smaller man now. Yeah, I don't know. That's like part of the wrestling conventions.
00:17:58
Speaker
can kind of fuck you up a little bit. There is a lot of joy to be had walking around and being like, oh, Buff Bagwell looks the exact same. And then you look over and you have to look at a photo to see who somebody is. And I don't know, then you see Hacksaw Jim Duggan being too polite to ask people for money and keeps giving people free photos while his daughter yells at him on the side, you have to charge. That is why we are here. This is the point, dad.
00:18:31
Speaker
Oh fuck. What wrestling shirt you got on today? You're the man of a million bootlegs. What is the-
00:18:42
Speaker
this is a 1990 great american bash t-shirt with uh stings face and uh a kind of a weird you can't really see it from your angle kind of a weird drawing of rick flare on it but it's mostly stings red white and blue face which kind of plays in with the lex express thing so america you know i am wearing uh heaters
00:19:07
Speaker
new merchandise here. And it leads me to this question. Have you ever had a shirt that has sent a message that you didn't intend for it to send to the folks around you?
College Days and Debates
00:19:24
Speaker
Uh, just for the, the listeners at home, uh, the shirt, he hard way, here's new shirt is a hand broke holding a broken beer bottle while the other hand is giving the like, come here, uh, motion with the index finger. And that's not the vibe you want to give to everyone, Garrett.
00:19:47
Speaker
No, and I think for years, I wore band t-shirts, some metal shirts that sometimes come off a little aggressive. I've certainly worn a hate breed shirt before that makes me seem like maybe I think I'm a harder dude than I am. This shirt, I went to go pick up food at a Mexican restaurant the other day.
00:20:13
Speaker
As I was standing there, a guy would not break eye contact with me, who was also waiting for food. And he was just staring fucking daggers at me. And like, I'm looking at a menu, and then I like keep glancing up and seeing him just like, just hitting me with this gaze. And then I realized like, oh, fuck, he thinks that like, I'm, my shirt is confrontational. And I'm like, let's take it outside.
00:20:39
Speaker
This guy, height-wise, kindly I'd say around a Danny DeVito size man, but with a mullet and more features of a guy who was in a very small biker gang. And I'm trying to remember what footwear I had on at the time, and this is something I don't like admitting, but as soon as Ozzy was born,
00:21:08
Speaker
I hit full fucking mode and I purchased a pair of shoes I said I would never ever have. And that is a pair of Crocs. So I may have been wearing a purple pair of Crocs and this aggressive t-shirt when this man, like I legitimately thought this guy was gonna be waiting out by my car ready to fight. And I was gonna have to put the Crocs into sport mode to kick this little man.
00:21:36
Speaker
Damn, damn Garrett, you're just, I mean, you're just wandering around. Now, was the Mexican food from the place Alberto Del Rio wrestled or? No, this was at Los Palmas. I don't know if I would have got, I'm trying to think, if I had just gone to Plaza Mariachi, would the same, I've never had any problems at Plaza Mariachi, but I'm also not at Los Palmas either. I don't know.
00:22:08
Speaker
I don't know. That guy may have just been looking for a fight and I was the first person he saw that... I don't know. I don't know. Heater, I don't know what your merch says to the people. I didn't ever consider, but also maybe the index finger kind of looks like a middle finger where it's like a middle finger in a bottle.
00:22:27
Speaker
Well, see, that is part I'm trying to think about things that I have that give a vibe off and I've like a stone cold hat with like the skull and the two middle fingers. And I was wearing that at some point and people were like, whoa, feeling a little aggressive. And I was like, oh, the hat. Oh, no, just just casually wearing this hat. I don't really feel that aggressive today, honestly. If have you ever been in a fight? Like, have you ever ended up in fisticuffs with another human?
00:22:56
Speaker
Not since college. Who who won? So. I was at a debate tournament at the University of Virginia. And we've been having a lot to drink. And a guy who I didn't really like that much was like said, like, all right, who wants to fight me? And I was like, sure. And.
00:23:25
Speaker
We like, we started to fight and both of us were kind of like, both of us were drunk and neither of us are fighters. And he kind of like, like kind of hit me in the nose, not, not that hard, but enough to sort of like make me realize what was happening. And I was like, this is stupid. We're not doing this. And, um,
00:23:44
Speaker
He, his response was to point at me and say, you got beat up by an, and he used an F word, uh, for a gay person that, uh, I am not allowed to say. Um, but as a gay man himself, I guess he could take that back if he wants. Um, and, uh, that was the end of it. That was the last time I got in a fight. So.
00:24:07
Speaker
You got punched in the face and then said, I don't like this. Yeah. And this is like, oh, this is stupid. Why would I do this? I'm going to go get drunker. The part that Chris is leaving out, because it did take place in Virginia, this was in the parking lot of a Buffalo Wild Wings. And this is where a wrestling promotion was born.
00:24:36
Speaker
I actually really love that story. That went about as good as it could have gone. This isn't even a best case scenario. You hit him with a chair and you win.
00:24:58
Speaker
I would say maybe it's a hate crime. It's unclear, unclear. Yeah, I mean, look, I didn't have a problem with him because of his sexuality. I had a problem with him because he was a dick, but you know. Like I had a fucking problem with his debate skills. So basically what happened is you two guys spent all afternoon cutting promos on each other and then got in a fist fight at the Buffalo Wild Wings over your words.
00:25:26
Speaker
So you're saying, again, yeah, you're right. This was the predecessor to Appalachian Championship Press. I bet you were both so well spoken, though. I was a pretty good debater, you know, to my own horn, but. You know, yeah, we we just wandered. I mean, college debate was a bizarre thing. We basically, you know, wandered the country every weekend yelling at each other and getting excessively drunk.
00:25:55
Speaker
at colleges across the East Coast. I've watched people I've watched people throw up in, you know, from in colleges from Virginia to Massachusetts. Like in the audience, like our debates were the terrifier to of debates. People would leave sick from how good we'd spoke.
00:26:19
Speaker
People came from all around to hear us getting a topic out of the blue and fucking drill it into them. I'm sorry. I actually love this. I kind of, I wish I had a time, if I had a time machine, I would end up at these debates. I would follow you down the East coast. And like, this is, this is the sitcom I want to see. Not me in Suzuki. It's Stars Hollow Connecticut. This is what I want.
00:26:48
Speaker
You wanna sit calm about college debaters? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, but like bad ass college debaters. Do you know who the most famous American parliamentary debate association alumni is? Kind of sadly. What realm of fame do I need to be guessing in?
00:27:15
Speaker
This person currently lives in Washington DC. Oh boy. Oh no, is it Mitch McConnell? It's not, the circuits only existed for like 30, 40 years. There's no way it's McConnell. It's not nearly old enough for him. It's Ted Cruz. No. Yeah, I'm told by people who are much older than me that he was weird even then.
00:27:44
Speaker
Wow. This is where I find out that you're actually older than I realize, and you fought Ted Cruz at the Buffalo Wild Wings. Not quite old enough to have fought Ted Cruz, but I probably would have. I feel like I would have.
00:28:00
Speaker
I would box that guy now. See, that's who, that's who, we should send Jake Paul on his next like old man fighting tournament. Do you know how much money that fight would make? Like a lot. Whatever money a Mayweather fight has made over the years, the beaten up Ted Cruz train, you could take that on tour like Flair's last match.
00:28:28
Speaker
50 bucks for sure I would pay to watch Jake Paul fight Ted Cruz. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. Um, speaking of spending $50, uh, there's an AW pay-per-view like this weekend. Jake, you're going to be at it. We're going to be at it. And I'm probably going to be in Bhutan, New Jersey in the afternoon as well.
00:28:48
Speaker
Is that becoming more of a reality? I know the last we eject, you were not going to bootin' alone. I think we're all going to bootin' together. As a team. Facts will be with you.
00:29:02
Speaker
and I think we're all going to Bhutan. Our buddy, Tom, who won another strongman competition in North Carolina. So he's so close to being the world's strongest man now. He's the strongest man in Long Island, the strongest man in North Carolina. He's gonna be Bill Kazmaier before we know it. It's gonna be pretty amazing. Yeah, I think we're gonna go to Bhutan and then head over to the Prudential Center and
00:29:33
Speaker
experience. It's a weird show. I was looking at the lineup and I was like, okay. Like I'm not, not excited for it, but I'm also, I also could be more excited for it. This kind of, this, I feel like this has happened multiple times with AEW where a card just
00:29:55
Speaker
it doesn't have me as hard as I'd like it to be. And then when I see the card, like they're also just gradually throwing matches at me, like week of that were not announced prior to the event. Like this show had no gimmick matches. There was no stipulation matches. And then this week you find out that now you're gonna see Jungle Boy and Luchasaurus in a steel cage match.
00:30:21
Speaker
Yeah, for a reason. I mean, I get the reasons that feuds fine, but I'm not really that excited for a Jungle Boy Luchasaurus Cage match. I'll be good. We're going to get to see Jeff Jarrett and Jay Lethal, but wrestle a different older man and his different son. America's favorite tour in tag team. Yeah. Those guys, those guys are just those guys are going hard.
00:30:51
Speaker
I mean, look, I'm excited for mocks and MJF. I'm excited to see what they do with that. Um, I think part of my lack of excitement for this show is a little bit of the guys that are missing. Like they could, I mean, we're recording this before dynamite. So they could announce that Kenny and the bucks are back against.
00:31:10
Speaker
the Lucha Brothers and Pac, or they could just like have them show up at the pay-per-view. It seems something's going to happen relating to Kenny and the Bucks on Saturday. So that's good. But I'd be more excited if they were there. Like I like Brody King a lot. He's clearly not going to be in a match unless they do something with House of Black like this week to set that up.
00:31:34
Speaker
Just in general, it just feels like we're missing, FTR is not on the card. It just feels like the wrong mix of guys, but it just feels like we're missing a lot of the guys that I like better than the other guys on the show, that's all. It doesn't feel like this should be one of four pay-per-views they do this year. You know, this feels like it could be like a WWE show.
00:32:02
Speaker
with the exception of the fact that the main event, I think, is like legitimately one of the biggest matches they could put on right now. For sure. For sure. And I fully anticipate that blowing us away. And I think that kind of ends up being how I feel going into any show. Like even when we went to Forbidden Door, you know, we weren't excited. I mean, as excited as we wanted to be going into it, we still had a fine time.
00:32:29
Speaker
Sure, sure. I mean, that's because, you know, there were matches that we were promised that didn't happen because people were that were really the matches we all like were traveling to see. But that's again, turned out to be a good show. And again, I think this is going to be I'm excited to be seeing anything. It's going to be really good show. I just feels like my excitement could be higher.
Wrestling Previews and Matches
00:32:52
Speaker
I think they finally booked a women's non title match that actually has
00:32:59
Speaker
some interest in it. That's pretty cool. Yeah, that that's going to be interesting to I don't know. This is kind of one of those things again, where it's like there is going to be a considerable amount of ring rust, I would imagine. Sure. To be like just thrown straight into like the midcard of a pay-per-view is your first match back after I mean, has she been gone as long as Danielson was? It's a year. It's several years at least, right? I mean,
00:33:29
Speaker
Yeah, I don't remember the last match she had in WWE. I couldn't tell you. Yeah, and it's also I mean, to be fair, I think I don't know if this is her idea, Tony cons, it's been a bit of a weird dynamic, like with her coming in and kind of big timing Brit, and it's a little bit like, who's going to be the baby? I mean, I'm cheering for the doctor for sure. You know, so we'll see how that plays out, but I think it should be a good match.
00:33:58
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I hope, I hope. Like, I mean, I don't know. They have yet to like let me down enough with a pay-per-view that I've ever felt like I wasted 50 bucks. So I'm gonna watch it. I plan on having a good time. Same. Are you worried at all in Bhutan about
00:34:20
Speaker
Mr. Jimmy facts getting distracted, um, and pulled in a separate direction of the elk's lodge. So he's told us that while there is another organized play event happening on that day, he is not involved in it. He is steering clear, like a gambler at the table. I I'll believe it when I see it, you know,
00:34:50
Speaker
If he steps out to go to the bathroom, if he steps out to go to the bathroom and I see him going out the side door and just running 40 yards away, I. Like you get in there, he's going to get distracted. There's inevitably a bingo board somewhere in this elks lodge, but I think what you need is you need the popper from the middle of a trouble board.
00:35:17
Speaker
You know, it makes that pop sound and the dice rolls. Keep that in your pocket. And like, if he seems to start to stray away, like click that, get his attention, draw him back towards the building. I feel like once you get him in, you get him down into the scary basement for you guys to explore. He'll have forgotten that board game. Fuck, what was the organized play events?
00:35:43
Speaker
The other option is that we just do organized play at the JCW show. Like, does Nick Gage wanna play board games? Maybe. You know. I think he's going to find that disrespectful. But if I find out that you and Tom accidentally got sucked into it as well, and you're like, I was on a fucking hot streak, man. I couldn't back out.
00:36:09
Speaker
I will see if I can get this. I did realize one of the things I'm excited for. I looked at the card for the J.C.W. show, but Tommy Rich is on it. And you talked about a short collection. I do have a full blooded Italian's t-shirt.
00:36:23
Speaker
And it's like, could I, as an actual Italian, do an Italian salute picture wearing an FBI T-shirt with Tommy Rich? That would be pretty fun. I would like to do that. So we'll see if I can make that happen at JCW. I think there's actually, there's a settlement series show right after. They've clearly set this up for total success. It's three o'clock right after the JCW show leading into a pay-per-view. So people are probably just going to start abandoning ship
00:36:52
Speaker
whenever they start feeling they need to eat dinner. They're really showing a lot of respect to the settlement series. It is, wait, so is the settlement series, it is in Bhutan as well? Or are they kicking that back down to the H2O training grounds where I guess the majority of these have been? No, this is in Bhutan. It's immediately after the JCW show.
00:37:16
Speaker
It's almost disrespectful to the wrestlers who I assume some of which would like to be at the pay per view as well, just having a good time. I guess. I don't know who's going to be. I mean, at this point, the settlement series show could just be like a two hour Iron Man match with like Jimmy Lloyd and Slade. I don't know.
00:37:40
Speaker
It turns out that it's no wrestling at all. It is just a three hour seminar from Jordan Oliver. It's not a wrestling seminar. It's actually an organized play seminar. Now you may have pulled me in the other direction where I was like, I don't want to listen to him talk to me about wrestling.
00:38:05
Speaker
However, if he is going to be like, guys, I know you don't feel strongly about my wrestling, but you've yet to see my boggle skills. I'm amazing at Settlers of Catan. If they have made a one-off board game for a movie, an obscure movie, like maybe, let's say there's a Demolition Man board game,
00:38:35
Speaker
I have it. I collect them. I'm very good at them. And I think you're going to learn something from me today. This place, it's actually amazing. They have a VCR. So we're going to play the VCR WrestleMania game from 1988 for the next two hours. It is probably going to get a copyright strike for IWTV, but what can we do?
00:38:59
Speaker
I mean, if they can come out to, if Effie can come out to goodbye yellow brick road for the last however many years, and that never gets taken off. I'm sure that we can, well, I don't know. WWE is a little, little strict, but he will be playing the game in a steel cage. That's right. We play the game. We play the game in barbed wire, maybe. Are there any fun matches announced? For the JCW show?
00:39:29
Speaker
So it's, um, there's a couple of singles matches. Um, Janai Kai is wrestling Maki Ito. Ooh, which should be good. We've got, um, Cole Radrick against John Gresham. What? Really? Yes. And Bhutan. And Bhutan. We also have several survivor series matches, or to be clear, series of survival matches. That's, that's how they're called.
00:40:00
Speaker
Um, we've got young dumb and broke against, uh, Nick Wayne, uh, something, Alec price and something Slater and another guy. Um, we've got second gear crew, which is, uh, Mancer justice, Manders and AJ gray returning.
00:40:24
Speaker
So they're easing him back to us. Like they're giving us a JCW show with him before they throw him on the main show. Yeah, and he's wrestling wrestling. The team called the good old boys, which is Tommy Rich, Doug Gilbert, Chris Hamrick and John Wayne Murdoch. What? That is a real match that that we are going to see.
00:40:52
Speaker
It's fun. It's the AEW pay-per-view is going to be. JCW is where the stories are going to be coming from next week. I can feel it. Here's another match, Garrett. Team Gringo, which is Gringo Loco Los Massisos and someone named El Schlacko against the El Schlacko El Schlacko. Against the hardcore heroes.
00:41:22
Speaker
which is Sawyer Wreck, Jimmy Lloyd, and Iron Beast. You get to see Lucha Schlack fight Sawyer Wreck. I'm jealous. That was an amazing noise you just made, Garrett. It actually sounded like a turtle's orgasm a little bit.
00:41:46
Speaker
Oh, yeah. And there's one more with Charles Mason and three mystery men against Billy Billy's bad bitches. So Zoya would be big van and. Another guy I've seen before whose name I'm forgetting, but. Yeah, it's I mean, it's going to be a weird two hour show, but I'm looking forward to it. Looking forward to being like a 20 dollar show.
00:42:14
Speaker
I believe entry will be 20. Yeah. And we're deciding whether we want first or second row, maybe guarantee seats thinking about that. That would be 35 or 28 for first and second row. So we're thinking about that. We'll see. It's not a huge place, but sitting is nice. We are old.
00:42:36
Speaker
Do you think that Lauderdale is expecting you personally to bring the party again? And will he be disappointed since he didn't book Beastman unless he's one of Mason's mystery boys? You know, yeah, I mean, maybe and look, maybe Lauderdale comes over to me afterwards and he's like, I'm just curious. You were very excited last time. And I was like. Beastman was here last time, but Beastman was here.
00:43:06
Speaker
And he's like, Beastman ain't taking bookings, sir. Trust me, we've tried. He only wants to wrestle in West Virginia right now. We have not seen Beastman outside of West Virginia recently. Actually, I'm checking right now because I'm curious if Appalachian has posted anything new recently and see if maybe there's anything new going on there.
00:43:31
Speaker
But yeah, I thought I saw some pictures of a show they had like over the weekend maybe or very recently, because I saw some clips of it on Beastman's Instagram, I assume. Oh, I don't think that was an Appalachian show. I think that was a VCW show. Yes, you are correct. It did look like he made the ceiling break somehow. Ooh, man.
00:43:57
Speaker
I hope that now that Beastman has Beastwoman that he isn't like thinking about hanging it up, you know, because we just found you. We can't. We can't have a discovery like this and just go back to the way things were before Beastman. I mean, he's still the CCW champion, right? And he's got to at least come to Nashville to defend that.
00:44:24
Speaker
I have no fucking idea because they have so many shows. And I was fully prepared because I think that show is this coming weekend. And there is no beast man on the card. There is somebody named like the trash man. And you know, I haven't even done nearly as good. I haven't even seen a QT Marshall on this show. And I guess it's probably because he's got to be at full gear just in case. Good point.
00:44:55
Speaker
Yeah, I don't know. We gotta come back, come back to us, B-SPAN. Come back to us.
00:45:02
Speaker
We demand it. Beastman, if you're hearing this and you haven't come back to the Northeast or Nashville by the end of the year, there's a non-zero chance we're gonna have to start a wrestling promotion to book you. And honestly, that's not the worst idea that we could have. It's actually a pretty good idea. Maybe we should just do that anyway. I mean, there's an Oak's Lodge in Bhutan that's calling my name.
00:45:34
Speaker
There's no way they're exclusive to GCW. Fucking Lauderdale. Lauderdale's locked down. I was trying to keep a little guy out. I guess speaking of Lauderdale, I feel like I watched the show, so I should mention it. The Nick Gage Invitational 7 was over the weekend. How was it?
Deathmatch Wrestling Appeal
00:45:59
Speaker
It was very fun, man.
00:46:02
Speaker
It was a packed house in Chicago. I can't remember the name of the, oh, the Summit Park District, which is where Derek and I, I know we've seen an R08 show there before, but this would have been like,
00:46:21
Speaker
I mean, Cody and the Bucks were definitely there, because I remember when we went, it was the set up for Christopher Daniels versus Cody, because I remember them both getting in a fight in suits that night. So, I mean, it was pretty good. Like, it was, you know, it was bullet club era of young Bucks, and there was good stuff happening. And I feel like there was a lot of people there, but this GCW show, they sold it out.
00:46:50
Speaker
Like that was, that's a big thing, especially for just a death match show. Like, you know, a show that had all but one match were death matches. Right. I think the only clip I saw was the skewer thing going through one of the Masiso's cheek. That seemed pretty gross.
00:47:10
Speaker
Yeah, saccuda in ciclopé. And God, ciclopé wrestled a long time with the skewer through his cheeks. He took the 619 to the face with it in his mouth and then just like content, honestly probably wrestled about a few minutes with that shit sticking out of his face. That's one of the most brutal spots that I have now become desensitized to.
00:47:39
Speaker
Um, that was definitely watch this with your child. Um, I don't think he was there. I like that your short term memory has been so destroyed by the lack of sleep that you're like, honestly, I mean, you're talking about two whole days ago. I don't remember where I was.
00:48:04
Speaker
Where was my child? That may have actually been when I left him at the store on accident for a couple hours and found him in the lost of... No, I don't believe I kept him around for this one. I think I watched most of this show alone.
00:48:23
Speaker
Really hot opener on the show, though. It opened with Cologne, Hunter Freeman, and Sawyer Wreck. And Hunter Freeman, Sawyer Wreck, both tall people, versus Cologne, who looked very small in comparison.
Critique and Future of NWA
00:48:38
Speaker
And at one point, Cologne pulled from under the ring, like, you know, like a giant teddy bear that you'd win at, like a fair. But it was wrapped in barbed wire and covered in gusset plates.
00:48:53
Speaker
Oh, man, I should have done so a long time ago, almost almost 20 years ago now, maybe someone left a giant one of those giant bears on my parents, like, walkway. And now I'm just I'm just regretting that we didn't cover it in barbed wire and bring it I didn't like bring it to a CZW show or something.
00:49:18
Speaker
Yeah, you can, what I've learned is you can turn most things violent just by putting something pokey on it. Which a very common weapon throughout deathmatch seems to be a wiffleball bat with sharp things glued to it.
00:49:37
Speaker
It's so unintimidating. It doesn't matter how sharp what is on it. When you see a man as intimidating as Alex Cologne holding a bright orange wiffle ball bat, there's just something that, I don't know, it almost feels like he's coming at you with an ice cream cone. And that dude's never eaten an ice cream cone in his life. No. So who ended up winning the tournament? So it came down to Cologne and Murdoch.
00:50:07
Speaker
Ooh, mega bastards explode. Yes, which honestly, I figured at some point we might see Los Massisos have to fight each other. We did not get that story, because they were both in the tournament separately. But the story going in is, so Cologne has three-peated Tournament of Survival, and he won the Nick Gage Invitational last year.
00:50:34
Speaker
What is the difference between tournament survival and the Nickage Invitational?
00:50:40
Speaker
I think there's a trophy at the end of Tournament of Survival. I was just waiting, there was a psychological, you know, like, well, the Tournament of Survival, the matches are of a certain type of the, okay, I was just confirming. No, I think the last couple of years, Tournament of Survival has literally been in a sandpit outside of a casino in Atlantic City. Like, it is outside in some gravel instead of being in the showboat. I really don't think there is much of a difference.
00:51:10
Speaker
just two different deathmatch tournaments by the same company. But they did establish early on that this could be, they didn't say it was gonna be Cologne's last deathmatch, but they said it would very likely be his last tournament. Okay.
00:51:29
Speaker
And that like, they made it clear like he was winding down his career. And he got on the mic a few times, like after each match and, you know, who did he fight? See, I guess after he won, he ended up fighting C. Clappé. The next time moves on from there, like still went very fucking hard. And then ends in the finals with Murdoch.
00:51:55
Speaker
who I want to say it was when it was Murdock vs. Cole Radrick sliced his arm open pretty gross and ended up having to get like they had to stop for a minute and like tape it up
00:52:09
Speaker
which one of the nastiest spots I have seen in a death match was while Cologne and Murdoch were fighting, the tape came off and directly in front of the camera, Cologne spread the wound open to the camera. Which gave me the willies a little bit. Also, I like that despite Murdoch's arm being split open, they're like, we just can't let Cole Radrick win.
00:52:42
Speaker
Like they could have changed the finish. They could have been like Murdoch's really hurt. He can't do another wrestling match. He should, you know, Cole Radrick should go over and they were like, nah. They're like, he's like, I can't lose just that goofy bastard wearing those pants.
00:53:00
Speaker
Was he wearing the pants? Oh, yeah, he has multiple colors of the pants, you know. Oh, D. Oh, man. OK. He didn't do like wardrobe changes. Yeah, he still feel bad for the guy. You know, he let's see. Oh, I guess it was Radrick ended up beating Miedo Extremo. So that's honestly that's a pretty big win for Cole Radrick to beat one of the tag jamps. I would say, yeah.
00:53:29
Speaker
But yeah, it ended up being Murdoch went over, which he had never won the, I don't think he'd ever won that tournament before. And then it kind of positioned him in a way where it's like, holy shit, we're probably gonna get Nick Gage versus John Wayne Murdoch at some point down the line, which is actually another big match for Gage. That would be a good death match where hopefully we can kind of get
00:53:59
Speaker
a little redemption and get the death match we would hope to get from Nick Gage. Right, you could also build that with maybe Gage and Tremont against the Mega Bastards, essentially. If you have two main events, you know? Cologne did, at the end of the show, he was the last to speak on his way out, and he didn't say, he basically said, this isn't goodbye, this is see ya later, I am taking some time off.
00:54:27
Speaker
but he basically said if GCW ever needs me, I'm a phone call away. So he thought he's gonna be in fucking bootin'.
00:54:40
Speaker
It's gonna be a short-lived, short-lived retirement. Before we move on though, I do need to say. He's gonna be in Boonton, I will point out. He's gonna be in Boonton, but he's actually gonna be at the Organized Play event. That's the passion that Alex Cologne is pursuing. And he might swing by and say hi at the Wrestling Show for like 20 minutes, but he's mostly gonna be at the Organized Play.
00:55:06
Speaker
It ends up Fax and Cologne in the finals.
Celebrity Redemption and Humor
00:55:10
Speaker
And Cologne does that thing where he hands Fax a light tube as well, and then they both have to break them over their own heads. You roll the dice, motherfucker. And then once it gets to the finals, Fax also removes his shirt to show a very scarred body.
00:55:34
Speaker
Organized play is no fucking joke, man. You gotta slice the light tube across your chest to show the person you do not fear them. You do not feel pain. Yes.
00:55:51
Speaker
It's gonna be exciting. It's gonna be exciting. Come to boot in New Jersey, everyone. Before we move on, I do need to mention this. John Wayne Murdoch in his first round match fought Big Joe, Big F and Joe. Big F and Joe comes out in a white button up and tidy whiteys. No knee pads. He is basically dressed as Tom Cruise in Risky Business.
00:56:18
Speaker
And a lot of violence happens to his bare legs. And I believe the match actually ends with Murdock removing Big Joe's shoes and socks and sending him feet first into a bunch of light tubes. I don't know what he was trying to prove to me that night, but he did it.
00:56:42
Speaker
I can't, I'll watch him get violence on him anytime. But if I don't think you should set up like, I'm gonna do this in a very unsafe way, that there is no career longevity in this for me. But if you wanna watch it, I'll do it. How do you think Big F and Joe feels about his dad? Oh. Oh. Not great, right? Well, we'll see that, see in volume two of the book. Yeah.
00:57:16
Speaker
Um, do we know? I don't know who is big F and Joe's data wrestler. I have no idea. Okay. Big F and Joe. I mean, he looks like a pro wrestler. He's a big dude who is willing to get fucking light tube smashed across the bare knees. Get out of here. Get out of here with that. Um, don't do that, Joe.
00:57:38
Speaker
But oh, and then the next night they had Wisconsin Death Trip, named after the static ex-album that was in Wisconsin at a room, I would say it's certainly smaller than Bhutan, Alex Lodge. And it was probably smaller than the first room Derek and I saw them in, in the back room of that department store. It was basically a wall with a row of chairs on each side.
00:58:05
Speaker
So it's as scary as it can be. There's nowhere to go behind you and glass is coming at your face, which is the only way you should ever witness your first live GCW show. I'm intrigued. Maybe I'll maybe have to go watch that one on Fight Plus, at least just 20 minutes of it just to see just to see the terror of the people. So I know we're we're getting a little late in the show here, but I feel like
00:58:35
Speaker
we should probably talk about NWA. Oh, yeah, I keep forgetting to mention this. Yeah, maybe it's maybe it's just because deep down inside. We know we want to talk about the NWA, but it's just it's going to hurt to do. Yeah. Here's.
00:59:00
Speaker
A related story. So Matt Cardona was in the three way. For the title at the NWA show. And he posted something on Twitter or Instagram, I don't know, one of the other. Saying some on his flight back from the show. That someone, the person in the he had a window seat and the person in the middle seat.
00:59:25
Speaker
asked him to switch so he could see out the window. And Matt Cardona said no, which is reasonable. The implicit thing to me there is that Matt Cardona doesn't do the job to people who
00:59:52
Speaker
This is his window seat. And yet, Matt Cardona did the job to Tyrus the night before. And it couldn't have been for a good amount of money. It's really a good question of how much Billy Corgan could possibly be fucking paying him.
01:00:17
Speaker
I guess he didn't get pinned. I don't believe he was the one that got pinned. So I guess they could do a rematch of him and Tyrus. Fuck knows why one would want to pay for that. When we first started doing the podcast and I was just going to every wrestling show,
01:00:41
Speaker
Like, you know, I was traveling for stuff, but I was also just going to things that were nearby, like any wrestling show that was nearby for content to talk about. And we didn't want to shit talk anything. We were trying to be like nice about everything. I don't feel bad saying now that NWA has been pretty bad for a while.
01:01:06
Speaker
He went to a weird place like outside Nashville, right, for that show. Because I remember this episode, and I remember it being quite funny. Those who may not have been listening for a long time, go find it in the archives. It's very good. But it was somewhere weird outside Nashville, right? Yeah, I don't even remember what town I was in. But we were in a gymnasium, I think. Or maybe we were in a
01:01:34
Speaker
Fuck, I don't even know what you would call it. It was like a community center of some kind. It was pretty nice. No clue where I was, but the main reason I went is it was, it was David Arquette versus, actually a guy who passed away, Josephus, was that his name? And it was like a hair versus hair match, I think, but it was,
01:02:01
Speaker
I don't even remember who Arquette was with. He was with a much older wrestler and it not being great. I think like the only thing I remember about that night being pretty good. Fuck. What was Dexter Loomis? Is Dexter Loomis his WWE name or is that the name he had before? That's his WWE name. I think it's Sam Shaw, right? Was his Samuel Shaw. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
01:02:27
Speaker
He painted a picture in the ring that night. And that was my favorite part of the whole show is that I watched a man in real time make art, like actually sit there and paint a fucking portrait. And I was like, I've seen a lot of things in the ring. This was new to me. And this was what was worth the 90 minute drive.
01:02:51
Speaker
I did I did once do a comedy show like a variety show, actually with a wrestler, Jay George, who's climbing up the ranks in the Northeast. I was doing sketch comedy stuff. And part of the show was they had a guy and a lady woman painting as as the show went. So she was drawing inspiration from the the sketches, which was kind of amazing.
01:03:21
Speaker
And I think what we can take away from that notion, us talking about the art we were seeing done, is that all of the people involved in any of the things we were talking about are better than tyros at professional wrestling and probably better people too. It's true.
01:03:52
Speaker
I don't care what Nick Aldis said to have to be kicked out of this show. There was a better option. Like the two, two of the three people in your main event, which I forgive me to NWA fans. If you're out there, what was the other guy's name? Trevor Murdoch, Trevor Murdoch. He's seems like a nice guy. Does he?
01:04:20
Speaker
because he had that Twitter shit where he was like kind of shit talking women's wrestling and like shit talked like the entire like NWA women's locker room and it wasn't like a bit it was just
01:04:35
Speaker
Oh, I didn't. I thought that was I thought it was Corgan talking. She should talk women's wrestling. I hadn't seen this stuff with Trevor Murdock. I recall hearing him on like art of wrestling many years ago and thinking that guy seems OK. But, you know, Jay Lethal also kind of seems like a nice guy in that show. So maybe I, you know, who knows? What do you know? 90 percent. Sure. It was Trevor Murdock because in the quotes that I saw, it was his photo underneath them.
01:05:02
Speaker
Um, I don't know, like it's just, it's Matt Cardona and two guys I could give less of a fuck about in a company that, goddamn, after all in, they did a good job of like making me excited to want to watch NWA when Cody got that belt.
01:05:25
Speaker
Billy Corgan gave an interview recently in which he said he wanted to watch tough men. Like he likes tough wrestlers. He liked Bruiser Brody growing up. And he made his champion the dancing guy who scares no one except his female coworkers at Fox News. Those are the only people that Tyra scares.
01:05:54
Speaker
That's that's who he made the champ. That's that's really what they went with. It's really the thing they did. It's insane that that I mean, I don't think the company was thriving to begin with, but. I don't know what they could do to pull people back in, and I mean, I don't know how long Nick Aldis' contract was, but.
01:06:17
Speaker
Even he, once I finally went and started seeing some Nick Aldis matches outside of him being with Cody, because they had their second match here in Nashville. Were you at that? I was. I think I was first or second row with that one. And it was fun. That was a fun show. But throughout the rest of the show, I think Colt Cabana was on it.
01:06:38
Speaker
Yeah, who Scorpio Sky moose. I think there was there was some fun other stuff going on, but it was leading up to like a match that had a big fight feel to it because of what happened in Chicago. Right. And it just never recovered after Cody dropped that belt immediately. No, it did not. I mean, there was some buzz around power for a minute because I think it was like a fun throwback. But yeah, I mean, it's just
01:07:10
Speaker
Again, the only logical thing to me is that Billy Corrigan is trying to get a TV deal with Fox News. And that's why he did this. That's the only thing that makes any sense to me, because this is I mean, it's insane. Why would anyone? And Corrigan said in that same interview, we talked about tough guys that look, if you if this isn't what you want to see from your wrestling, go elsewhere and
01:07:36
Speaker
I'm happy to Billy, I'm happy to. I will say this, and I say this, did I ever tell you the story about Fax and I going to a Smashing Pumpkins show? No. So we went to see the Smashing Pumpkins three or four years ago, whatever the last tour was, the first tour where James Eha came back, because we're like, I had never seen the pumpkins, I think Fax had seen them a bunch of times, we're like, okay, we're gonna go Madison Square Garden,
01:08:05
Speaker
Pumpkins are back. We got James Iha. I really like the smashing pumpkins. I've listened to a lot of their live bootlegs. Well, mainly from one tour that I really like. Anyway, I can count on one hand the number of shows that I've left early. And that was one of them.
01:08:30
Speaker
Like it was just that, like, did you, did you already hear the song? Like few songs you were hoping to hear or like. It was really long. Like the show was like three hours long and at some point maybe we were like two plus hours in and facts. And I was like, we were like looking at recent set lists and they seem to be basically the same. And we're looking at the rest of the songs and we're like, you know what sounds better than these songs right now? Going home and going to bed.
01:08:58
Speaker
You're shitting me, the smashing pumpkins. You were two hours into a set by them. Okay, I don't know. When I was younger, I would have stayed at any show any amount of time. I was like, I don't wanna watch a band forever. But I hit a certain point, I would say a few years ago, where there's very few bands I wanna watch more than 45 minutes.
01:09:28
Speaker
And smashing pumpkins don't have three hours of material worth sitting in a room and listening to them play. I mean, other people may disagree with us on that, but
01:09:46
Speaker
I found that to be true, Garrett. We tested that and we found it to be true that there were there was war. I mean, to be fair, part of the problem, at least from my perspective, I believe, was like I just didn't like what they were playing. Like there are other good songs they had not played that didn't seem like they would. But they were. Hitting the hitting, hitting some more recent stuff, maybe.
01:10:08
Speaker
that is less good. They were hitting some B-sides off that one Zwan record. That's where we were at at a certain point. Have you seen the clip that's going around from the current Smashing Pumpkins tour of Corrigan during a drum solo going off to the side in his Goth Boy robe and eating chips and dip out of a red solo cup? No.
01:10:39
Speaker
It is pretty phenomenal. I've never, I mean, I've been to hundreds of concerts and I have never seen a band take a snack break in the middle of a show. And I think like more than him just eating the chips and dip, it's all in one cup.
01:11:00
Speaker
and like watching in the background hearing like the drummer doing his thing and then seeing Billy Corrigan staring into a red solo cup so that he can precisely pick out the exact chip he wants, get a little dip on it and have a little snacky before he sits it down and walks back to the front of the stage is honestly, it's better than anything NWA has done in the last few years because I can't stop thinking about it.
01:11:30
Speaker
And. You know what I'm pretty sure happened now, looking at the set list, they got through Bullet with Butterfly Wings and then we looked at there were like three songs left in the set and we're like, we don't need any of these. This was a 30. This was a 32 song set. No. And and there were interludes in the show where Mark McGrath was a vaudeville. Character.
01:12:00
Speaker
I'm literally scratching my head right now for the listeners at home. And that is, as a Mark McGrath fan, my first concert I ever went to was Sugar Ray and the Goo Goo Dolls while they were touring 1459 and dizzy up the girl at the Illinois State Fair in the fifth grade. I don't know, that's... What the fuck? It was a thing, it was a thing.
01:12:30
Speaker
Don't watch NWA, guys, I think is really just what we're trying to tell you. Just if you were thinking, I'm curious about what's going on, maybe maybe you're watching a lot of GCW on Fight Plus and you keep seeing the NWA stuff below it and you're like, maybe I should turn that on. Just don't. Just don't. What if Billy Corrigan is tanking this company so that you and I can purchase it. And put a title on Beastman.
01:13:01
Speaker
a title with a lineage that goes back all these years. That company can't be worth that much right now. I don't think it's completely out of reach that we could own NWA by the end of 2023. I'm intrigued, Garrett. I'm intrigued, Garrett. How many figures do you think it would be to own NWA? And honestly,
01:13:27
Speaker
I don't want to toot our horn here, but like, I think we could turn this shit around. I feel like I feel like given the expenses of running it, God, it can't be more than five figures to. To buy. Maybe six low six. Wow, really, you think that low? I don't know. I can't imagine what's actually worth. I mean, there's a tape library there, but he's not using any of it.
01:13:57
Speaker
at this point he's gonna try and highball us and say that there's sentimental value. I am like there's part of me right now that is like
01:14:18
Speaker
I don't think that this is the worst idea. Here's a separate pitch though, Garrett, that's a little bit simpler. We don't have to do a business deal with Billy Corgan. We promote Bobby Fish's next boxing match.
01:14:38
Speaker
So did you did you see any of it? I know I saw the clip. I saw the clip in which the guy he's fighting just sort of like falls down. I think like Bobby Fish won this boxing match, which good for him. It does appear that his opponent just kind of got injured in the second round, not necessarily from a punch, though. I don't think I ever like actively disliked Bobby Fish.
01:15:07
Speaker
But I do kind of want to see him get beat up. I don't know. I don't. Yeah, is that better than buying the rights to the name in W.A.? I mean, it's intriguing. I mean, they were talking about Sammy Guevara boxing, too. So could we could we book Sammy Guevara versus Bobby Fish in a boxing match?
01:15:37
Speaker
It's whoever wins, we all win. You know, like it's- Yeah, the crowd wins. The crowd wins. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right, before, before I know we're pretty late here, I do wanna bring this up though, because we were, we brought this up in text. Derek, in our group text, just, he out of the blue kind of threw out
01:16:04
Speaker
the name we hadn't discussed in a long time, which was superhuman. Yes, he's still alive. Correct. He's still he's still alive. He's still throwing his body into sharp objects. And Derek asked the question, do we think he's hamming it up for the camera or do I think it really hurts that bad? I think the answer is both.
01:16:29
Speaker
I think that it does actually hurt him, but I think he is also Haman. Are you guys like currently watching super even videos in 2022? Yeah, I still see him once in a while. Like, okay. For a million. I didn't know he was still making videos. Yeah, he just made some with Madman Pondo not long ago. I never see him out. Two legends connecting. I never seek them out. They come to me.
01:16:56
Speaker
Like it's a thing where Facebook will be like, you like wrestling, right? You want to see this? And I'm like, God, what is it? 30 seconds? Yeah, I do. I do want to see this. And I remember during the pandemic, at some point, superhuman was canceled because he did use a racial slur and like a live stream or something, which tracks like, you know, I,
01:17:25
Speaker
Sure. Bad. Don't do that. But also it's the guy that's throwing himself into cactus, you know, like he's he's giving himself his own punishment for doing bad. And I don't think he's making money off of this. Right. I mean, certainly you're not paying like you're just watching him.
01:17:47
Speaker
get hurt. I guess the views could eventually allow him to sell advertisements or something. But I mean, I would he just scream like, Yo, try blue chew and then jump on a cactus? Like, would that be how it would work? Just saying, I don't know, I'm just thinking out loud of how we would actually make money from this. So yeah, it feels it feels hard to cancel a man who just jumps on things. You just go,
01:18:16
Speaker
But I did suggest to Derek that maybe this is the pathway for cancelled celebrities to re-enter the sphere of the entertainment world. Where if you fuck up bad,
01:18:33
Speaker
you gotta go on the Superhuman TV show, which I love that he always refers to it as the Superhuman TV show. It's kinda like Pee-Wee's Fun House, or Pee-Wee's Playhouse. Except there's a lot more swearing and backyard and maybe New Jersey or somewhere outside of Philly. I can't tell where he's at. But if Louis C.K. had to hurl his body three or four times into these things,
01:19:02
Speaker
I feel like I would be more okay with him playing the grand old Opry in a few weeks than I do currently. Could this be just a general path? You know, we always talk about the concept when someone's been canceled of should there be a path to redemption? If so, how? Maybe deathmatch wrestling is the thing.
01:19:27
Speaker
Like, you know, maybe maybe the visceral sense of really just like getting the shit kicked out of him is what. Like. Could we get back to watching Joey Ryan matches if we he allowed someone to hit him with a light tube in the dick?
01:19:48
Speaker
Okay, okay. I'm not saying I'm, to be clear, I'm not directly advocating that I'm, this is just my debater me that we talked about earlier. I'm just riffing on a concept of maybe how this could work. I don't maybe it doesn't work. Maybe there should be nothing that brings Joey Ryan back into our good graces. But I'm saying at a minimum, he should let
01:20:11
Speaker
Maybe here's the thing, maybe he should let himself get hit in the dick with a light tube and then we can all determine whether we're going to take him back or not. The answer might still be no. Yeah. Same with like, uh, let's just throwing out another scumbag, like a Kevin Spacey, perhaps, who is in a lot of enjoyable movies that we can no longer watch because he sucks. Um,
01:20:36
Speaker
Let's say, okay, Kevin Spacey, I'm not saying we'll forgive you, but I'm saying that you do 15 minutes in the ring with Schlack and I will consider not throwing trash at you when I see you walking down the street. You don't have to be in stuff again, but maybe I'll like still give you a dirty look, but not throw an old cabbage at your head. Yeah, I think it's something worth considering.
01:21:07
Speaker
I don't know. Yeah. Maybe that's why it's harder to cancel like deathmatch guys. You're just like, well, again, as you said, the cancellation is its own. They're ready. They're ready accepting their own punishment. Yeah, I can't. I don't know. Like, yeah, I don't know. Maybe this was a conversation that shouldn't have been had at all. But I think it is. I think well, Garrett, you can decide that in editing.
01:21:36
Speaker
Worst case scenario because of this conversation Chris and I have to go hurl our bodies into a cactus on top of an old microwave with the superhuman Yeah, that seems reasonable to me
01:21:51
Speaker
All right, well, hey everybody, thanks for listening. Rate, review, subscribe at Predetermined Podcast on Instagram. I am at Gartet on Instagram. Chris is at Chris Miggs on Instagram.
01:22:08
Speaker
I don't really know what else to say. This was a, this one went some places. I think we're going to own NWA and we may have found a solution to canceled select, you know, for something for celebrities to do after they do bad. Yeah. Um, and, uh, we will see, we might have someone special with us next week. We will see. We'll see.
01:22:32
Speaker
This is not predetermined whether or not you will be here. This is undetermined. It's a shoot for a wrestling hangout. All right, everybody. Have a good week. Enjoy the wrestling.