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Episode 156: Membership Must Haves
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An effective membership program requires several key elements. From choosing the right membership platform to creating a seamless checkout, this episode will explain a few membership must haves for your business.
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4:20 What membership platform is right for me?
9:25 How do I keep members?
14:05 What are the best ways to communicate with my members?
20:23 How do I create a seamless member checkout?
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Transcript
Importance of Consistent Marketing Emails
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But what we mean is that sending consistent marketing emails with recipes with things like that I mean it just tells people how to use the product right gives them like I said a vision for that So I feel like dialing in both transactional and mail marketing emails are huge The other thing about mail poet that I love integrates specifically with WooCommerce All right, so if you're not using WooCommerce mail point won't work won't work for you I don't think
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and it will allow you to customize the transactional emails. So you can customize the transactional emails on your own, but you would have to get into code and stuff to do that.
Introduction to Membership Sites
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Welcome to the Brands at Book Show, where we help creative service-based businesses build their brands and find more clients. I'm your host, Davy Jones.
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memberships have been on our mind lately. Not only do I run a membership farm fed box, which you can learn more about at farm fed box.com. And I've actually been putting a ton of work into that website behind the scenes, integrating different tools to hopefully level it up a bit.
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But we've just finished designing and building two other membership websites for clients. At least one of them magic playbook has launched. And it's one of my new favorite websites. So go check it out. The other membership site loop and dash should hopefully have launched around the time of the release of this episode. And once it has, I'll make sure that link is in the show notes as well. But today we are chatting about a few things that we consider membership must haves. They include some principles that any membership needs to think through,
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Plus some of our favorite tools for membership sites.
Key Elements of Memberships & Unique Offerings
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There's also a blog post that goes with this episode Be sure to check out the show notes at Davey and Krista comm for the resources that we mentioned during the episode and we want to hear from you Let us know what kind of content you'd like to see on the brands that book podcast as we move forward to leave your feedback Just send us a DM on Instagram at Davey and Krista now on to the episode
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All right. We are back with another episode of the brands of book podcast. And today we're talking about something that's been heavy on my mind or on my mind a lot. I feel like when I say heavily on my mind, it feels like something more serious than it is. It does. Yeah. Right. But something that I've been thinking about a lot and that's memberships, especially with, you know, our work with farm fed box and a few other websites that we've launched recently. Just been thinking a lot about memberships lately, something that I've just been sort of excited about, you know, as far as like work projects go.
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is putting some time into farm fed box and creating more of a robust membership flow, if you wanna call it that. And so today's topic is really talking about membership must haves. I think that my thoughts are a little bit more loose on this topic today. So they're not quite as organized. I will have a blog post that will go live with this episode. And typically when I sit down and write about things, I find a little more clarity on my ideas.
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So be on the lookout for that. But if you're thinking about creating a membership or incorporating some sort of membership in your product line, this is the episode for you. All right.
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Yeah, I am excited to talk about this too. I am fresh off of two membership website launches. I feel like we can say their names because one is going live this week or next week and the other one is already live. So we worked with Magic Playbook and integrated their membership site with a store, like a 500 product store. So that was a hefty site, but it's beautiful and we're excited about it. And then Loop and Dash is also another membership that we worked on.
Challenges and Strategies for Membership Retention
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and that should be live by the time this comes out. I'm excited for that one too. Yeah. I haven't seen the most recent version of Lupin Dash yet. Well, they're not live yet. I saw it a while ago, but I know you've made updates since, but Magic Playbook is live and I love that site. I think it's just beautiful. The three examples that we have are all very different memberships, so I think it could be fun to talk about them and their differences.
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Yeah, for sure. We'll put the links to each of these memberships in the show notes, but today we're drawing from our fresh experiences with FarmFed Box, Magic Playbook, and Lupin Dash. Yes. You can find those links in the show notes. Where should we start? Do you want to talk about membership platforms first? Because there are so many out there and I think that that dictates so many other aspects of what you do.
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Yeah, sure. The platform question is going to be answered based on what kind of membership it is. If you're brand new to memberships, I think we might have another episode on subscriptions or something similar.
Types of Memberships: Physical vs. Digital
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But one of the big benefits of having a membership is that recurring revenue. So somebody's either paying you typically monthly or annually. Sometimes you can get lifetime deals to memberships, but typically those lifetime deals are pretty close to what people would typically pay over the course of staying with that membership. But point being is that memberships are a great way to create some recurring revenue in your business. Something that you can count on month to month.
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As opposed to one-off projects, and don't get me wrong, we do websites and brands and those are one-off projects. We have clients come back often for updates to their website. We have a lot of great ongoing relationships, but it's not recurring in the sense that once the project is paid for, it's paid for.
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And a membership could be a physical product, like FarmFitBox delivers me every month or every other month, depending on what people want. And then Loop and Dash and Magic Playbook deliver content. So actually Magic Playbook also delivers prints that go with their content. So that's another aspect of theirs. But for the most part, they are selling content each month. And then Loop and Dash is also selling content each month.
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Yeah. And there's pros and cons to each, right? In terms of whether you're doing a digital product or a physical product, you know, our physical product at farm fed box, you know, we have to keep alive, right? Or, you know, there's an ad, it's not like we just, it's not like something, a physical product that's made in a factory somewhere that we, you know, order inventory. And then we have to get rid of that inventory. You know, it's actually, you know, animals that we raise here on our farm, right?
Strategies to Prevent Churn
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So there's some added complexity to that, but
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you know, and there's there's other resources out there where you can if you're very interested in creating a membership and you want to kind of determine whether you want to go the physical product route or the digital product route, there's definitely some simplicity to going to the digital product route. Oh, yeah, way faster and you don't have to keep it alive the way that you have to keep a cow alive. So
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Exactly. So like I said, one of the best benefits of membership is that recurring revenue. But one thing that you have to fight constantly is what's called churn. And so each month, you'll have people who are considering leaving. And they'll consider leaving for all sorts of reasons. I don't know this to be the case for Magic Playbook, but I imagine that at a certain age, those activities are no longer- Your kid ages out. Yeah.
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Yeah, so it might not be anything that's wrong with the subscription itself. But for instance, in the case of Magic Playbook, there's activities, and I think they say on the site. I think it's three to six. Yeah, well, you can look that up. Let's say it's three to six, right? Well, when somebody's 10, maybe Magic Playbook isn't the kid's activity subscription for them.
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It doesn't necessarily have to do with that anything's wrong with the product, but it could be. Maybe people just don't know how to use the product. For a farm fed box, for instance, we send a box of meat each month to people really all around the United States, mostly on the East Coast, mostly east of the Mississippi. One of the questions we'll get is people who get cuts of meat that they don't typically
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Like a ham steak. Sure. Well, we don't send a ton of ham steaks just for the record. They're just in my freezer? Yeah, they're just in our freezer because we do get that cut back from the animals. So if you were to sign up, you're not going to get a ton of ham steaks for what it's worth. With that said, ground pork, for instance, which is something that we cook with all the time.
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I love it. But that's the thing is you have to put yourself in other people's shoes and that's just not, I think, something that people typically get from the grocery store. Well, that's because it's not good from the grocery store. Sure. And our ground pork is awesome. But anyways, point being is so people might get this kind of meat and be like, what do I do with this? And so if they don't feel like they're getting that utility out of the subscription or the membership, that might be a reason for cancellation.
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or find something else that they can better understand how to use. Right. Or maybe they're too busy to use it that month. Like I'm thinking maybe magic playbook kids when schools first starting in the fall, they might not have as much time to do it. Whereas like in the summer, they probably have a lot of time and it's ages two to six. So yeah. Yeah. And it's been awesome.
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Yeah, we love it. So we're also the members there. So yeah, but all that I think that is true. As a summer once a year approach for a farm fed box, one of the challenges might be people going on long vacations. And so they can't actually receive a box of meat that month. So those are the sorts of things that you have to think about. And so while the recurring revenue is great in building that up, you're always trying to keep as many members as possible.
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And so really one of the things that I've been thinking about, and I think sort of the reason I wanted to record this episode is just because I've been thinking largely about how do you keep members? So not so much how do you get members, but how do you keep those members? And so that's really the basis for recording this episode. So a few things that we've been working on over at FarmFedbox. One, I think this is probably the most important thing is a vision for how it will work for me.
Communicating Membership Value
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I talk a lot about this when I speak at conferences about website design and creating an offer and conveying that offer on your website. People want to understand whether something can work for them, not just broadly how it works, but how it will work for them. How have you done that with a meat box?
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One of the things that we've been trying to move to is creating one more content around actually what can be made with those cuts. Which is funny because I do all the cooking. You just happen to be great at recording what you're cooking. If you follow Farmbedbox and you see the recipes, those are probably me.
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Yeah, right. So there's, yeah, a lot of, especially a lot of the recent ones are you, but point being is, is trying to give people a vision for how they can use that meat. Right. And I think this is something that's key for any business. It doesn't matter whether it's a membership or not, but especially a membership, you know, even like, you know, something like magic playbook, what they have to tackle, right? How actually are their kids going to use those activities? You know, is there going to be time set aside each month for those activities?
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Well, they do a really good job of making little video clips, too, of kids doing the activities and showing the final result, which always looks so cute. I feel like when Jack does them, they don't look that cute. You want to give people an idea of what that transformation can look like. In the case of Magic Playbook, and I know I've been using them as an example,
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But, you know, I gotta imagine too, it's like going from, okay, just throwing on another movie for your kid or another show for your kid to your kid actually doing something with their hands and learning along the way. For farm fed box, it's going from like, you know, the conventional meat that you get at your grocery store, which, you know, I think a lot of even the labels that you find on your meat at the grocery store, you know, just do some research, for instance, around eggs.
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right? And we don't send eggs in boxes, but just as an example, right? Showing people, okay, what does it actually mean when you get an organic egg? You know, I think people think, oh yeah, chickens are just rolling around on pasture, you know, on their coops. And that's not exactly what that means, right? Right. You can look up the FDA standards for what is defined as organic and it's not as, maybe not as high as you would think it would be.
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Yeah, exactly. And then looking at how we raise the animals on our farm. But I think giving people a vision for how it will work for me or for them is key to creating a membership that grows and doesn't have a lot of churn.
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Right. So if you have a product that is like consuming content, like maybe educational content, how would you show
Email Tools for Smooth Operations
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how it will work for them? Is that just your testimonials and stories? Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of different ways that you can sort of bridge that trust gap with people and give them a vision for how they might use their product or your product or what they might get out of your product, right? And really a lot of that is going to be focusing on the transformation that your product can offer.
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Typically, it's going to fall into one of these categories, health, wealth, and reputation. One of those things, I think, it's going to fall into those categories for farm fed box. It's going to be health. There might be a little bit of reputation in there too because maybe you want to be the kind of person that receives that really champions an environmental cause. But really, when you're thinking through these, you're not trying to check every category here. You're just trying to figure out which one
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yours falls into. So, farm fed bucks, probably health. I would say even for magic playbook, probably health as well. Just not sitting in front of screens. It's not kind of being bored, although boredom is actually pretty good for the mind, but that's another podcast.
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You know, so trying to figure out, okay, what exactly is it? What kind of transformation are you offering? What's really the core benefit that you're offering somebody? And you can do that through case studies, testimonials, white papers, all right? I know there's probably not a lot of people listening that are creating white papers around their business. I don't even know what that is.
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Think about it. It's kind of like a case study. Okay. Is it longer? Yeah. You see white papers in the crypto world a lot, but anyways, a lot of us is going to be testimonials and social proof like that that are going to help give people a vision. So that's the first thing. Okay. What is the next thing?
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I would say along those lines, consistently checking in with people and communication. I think it's one of those things where maybe when we have somebody sign up for a membership, maybe there's an inclination for some people not to rock the boat. And so maybe they're just like, okay, let's let this cruise.
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But I think at the end of the day, you want to make sure that your communication is on point. One of the primary ways that you're going to communicate with people well is via email. We have people of all ages, for instance, that are signed up for farm fed box. So not everybody's on Instagram looking at all our Instagram posts. One of the things that we just introduced that is still largely a test is we have a phone number on our website.
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You got a phone call this morning. I did. I will say that typically when we get a phone call, it would be from a certain generation. I think giving people options to reach out and talk to somebody in the way that they most want to talk to somebody.
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I'd say the people that we get DMS from are typically a different generation than the people that we get phone calls from. I think that's important, but one of the things that I want to zero in here on is email. I think really making sure that your transactional emails are on point and your marketing emails are on point.
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And I think that you should clarify what a transactional email is because not everyone is going to know what that is. Sure. Transactional emails are the emails that are associated with the transaction. So what that means is when you buy something online, you're going to typically get an email confirmation that you've ordered something, you know, details your order. It might be an invoice or receipt, you know, something like that. Maybe if you'll get another email down the line when your product ships, right? That's just automated, you know, as the progress moves from, you know, processing to shipping to completed.
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Farm Fight Box sends a lot of those because I recently sent somebody a gift Farm Fight Box and I got all of the notifications, which is nice because it's me. So it's important that people know when it's getting to their house. Yeah. Yeah. And that's something I'd say that we're still dialing in just to make sure that we streamline that. We definitely want people to get information. We don't want to give too much information.
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But we have been putting some time into that. And one of the things that we have invested in is SMTP, SMTP plugin and tool to help us with transactional emails. So for instance, like a lot of people listening, you might've heard of things like Mailchimp and Flowdesk and ConvertKit, right?
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Those are typically used for marketing emails. We have an account with SMTP.com, which is what we actually use to fulfill our emails. We don't just send our emails through our host, and I know I'm getting a little technical here, but if you're working with a website designer, they can help point you in the right direction.
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And this is because sometimes those emails that come from your website get blocked. They get blocked, they go to spam. Your sender reputation, if you're just using your host, is probably not going to be as good as a transactional service. And there's a ton out there, and I should look them up.
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But we added one to Magic Playbook that is a plug-in, so WP Mail, SMPT Pro, and then I know we have one on our Davey and Krista site too to ensure that those emails get delivered. Yeah, and I'm just going to look in here, but like WP Mail, SMTP, right?
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fulfill through another service, if that makes sense. So for instance, ours is fulfilled through smtp.com, but there are other options in there. So I'm just going to go into our settings here and take a look to give people some examples. So Send In Blue, AWS, which is Amazon, Google, Mailgun, Postmark, SendGrid, SparkPost, I've never heard of them.
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So there are other options in there. The three that that plugin recommends are send layer, SMTP, and send in blue. Anyways, options there, but I think that really, I know it might be one of the things that are sort of boring, but I think dialing in those things really helps just increase consumer trust.
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and confidence in your brand. But then also, it's an opportunity to tell people what they should expect. And I think when you leave people guessing or assuming, that's when maybe the breakdown happens where they're like, well, maybe this isn't for me or maybe this isn't what I expected, and so on. And of course, one of the ways that you do that is through consistent marketing emails as well. So we've used across different businesses ConvertKit, Flowdesk, and now MailPoet,
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And we used Mailchimp years ago for a very short time. So we lose a lot of different tools, but even right now, right? Those are the three that we're using. Yeah. There's pros and cons to each of them. We have at least a YouTube video and blog posts that compare ConvertKit and Flowdesk. I think Flowdesk is just so easy for people. It's typically where we send people. And they're beautiful.
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Yeah, beautiful. And the other thing is he just can't beat the price. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Basically, isn't it $19? If you sign up with someone's code, it's $19 a month. Yeah. And I don't even remember what we played for ConvertKit, but I think it's a lot higher.
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Oh, it's way higher because the ConvertKit charges you based on your list size, right? And we've talked about reasons why we haven't switched yet and so on and so forth. It's just such a monumental task. We have a lot of email sequences. Yeah, exactly.
Enhancing Trust through Seamless Checkout
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But we do use Flowdesk for other businesses. We do. But point being is that sending consistent marketing emails with recipes, with things like that, I mean, it just tells people how to use the product, right? Gives them, like I said, a vision for that.
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I feel like dialing in both transactional and marketing emails are huge. The other thing about MailPoet that I love integrates specifically with WooCommerce. If you're not using WooCommerce, MailPoet won't work for you, I don't think. It will allow you to customize the transactional emails. You can customize the transactional emails on your own, but you would have to get into code and stuff to do that.
00:19:48
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All right, so a few other things just because this is already going longer than I had expected. So we'll just kind of roll through some of these other points here as well. But I really do think that vision for how it will work for me, that's huge when it comes to memberships, right? You can have a really great product, great offer, but if people don't understand, or you can have a really great product, but if people don't understand how it will work for them, they're probably not going to buy. Yeah.
00:20:14
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Yeah. We're going to record another episode on how to create a great offer too, which will tap into some of these things. That sounds interesting. I'm excited for that one. Seamless checkout experience. This is one of the things that I love about Magic Playbook, I think. It's just the whole sign up flow.
00:20:28
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Well, thank Sam and Alex for that. They put a lot of work into that. I mean, it just looks so good. Yeah. And so that is all done through member press. We use member press for their membership subscription and then for the checkout. And we went an extra step with their checkout to customize it so that it has like images. You should just go check it out because it's beautiful, but it lets you see, mostly choose whether you want your prints or your subscription to be.
00:20:53
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monthly or annual and whether you want prints delivered to your house or not. And there are just visuals that go with it. And so it's a pretty seamless process. Yeah. And I think all of that increases trust throughout the checkout process, especially when it gets somebody to the finish line. Because again, I think anytime people know that they're going to be paying for something month to month, there's a little bit more, I think, hesitancy to actually sign up.
00:21:18
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So, seamless checkout experience. We'll include, maybe in the show notes as well, some different stacks, right? Like that each of these websites are using. Because like you said, with Magic Playbook, you're using MemberPress. With Formfidbox, we're using WooCommerce memberships. Right. And we're using MemberPress with Loop and Dash.
00:21:35
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Yep. Okay. Cool. So two sites there with member press. So that's definitely one to check out. I want to say too, even for show it, I think show it and member press. I'll double check this check. There's another one. There's a membership that show it's now working with, but it's not member press. It's something else. It's not member press. I'll look it up while you talk. Okay. Cool. Yeah. So they just rolled out a really tight integration with a membership plugin. So that's worth checking out too. If you have a show it website, it is member space.
00:22:01
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Memberspace. So that's one you might want to check out if you have a show website and you want to incorporate a membership option. A few other plugins to check out to create a seamless checkout experience, CartFlows. We'll start trying to incorporate that actually into the farm fed box checkout shortly. That's going to take a little bit more testing, but there's just a lot of options that you can incorporate with something like CartFlows.
00:22:24
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because when you want to get into things like upsells and downsells and bump offers, just trying to increase customer value and cart value at checkout, a tool like that can really help and it can also make your checkout look really sharp. Even without that, though, you can customize. I feel like a lot of people just leave the WooCommerce default checkout like how it looks, which is fine, but then you have this beautiful branded website and then you get to the checkout page and there's the WordPress WooCommerce blue in there.
00:22:53
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But you typically need some CSS to customize it, right? Or did you figure it out on your own? Yeah, I just figured this out. Wow. You know, you just went into, maybe we can include some directions.
Retention Through Flexible Subscription Options
00:23:04
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You maybe used to do a YouTube video. Yeah, do a YouTube video on that. But even if you Google like how to customize that kind of stuff, typically you can find pretty readily available information.
00:23:15
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Cool. About the checkout experience, making sure that there's integrated payment systems such as Stripe and PayPal, which I think is what most people use to check out. Some way to check out with a credit card and maybe some alternative payment method, especially if you expect people to be purchasing with their phone, you might want something like Apple Pay. I think Google has some sort of comparable checkout experience. GPay, I'm sure. I feel like I've seen it. Yeah. Something along those lines, just so that people can easily pay you. Yes. Seems important.
00:23:45
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Another thing that I think most people are going to want to have is an area for people to cancel, pause, or adjust their subscriptions. This is for a lot of the reasons that we talked about earlier. For you, some people might be going on vacation and they're not physically able to accept a box that month. Or maybe they have a lot of content from the last month that they still need to get through and said they need to pause the next month.
00:24:05
Speaker
There are all sorts of reasons why people might need to do that. And most membership platforms, if you have a good one, are going to give you a page that you can adjust to help people make those settings.
00:24:15
Speaker
Yeah. And I would agree. I mean, different people have different philosophies on this. Some people want to be like they want people to have to email them in order to cancel. And I understand why you might want to do that. You might want feedback. It's not necessarily because you want to make it hard for people to cancel. It might just be because there has to be a certain manual action taken, right? So there's just no option for people to just hit cancel, right? Palm tree clubs like that, for instance.
00:24:44
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People actually have to reach out because we actually have to take their website down. Yeah, exactly. And that requires quite a bit of communication. So there are definitely reasons why you might not include something like that. For a farm fed box though, we want people to change their subscription. I was on a call this morning with somebody who felt like she didn't have the right size box. So she wanted more meat each month because she thought, okay, well, I think we're going to go through a little bit more of this than I assumed. So you want to make sure that people can adjust their subscription on their own if they want to.
Boosting Growth with Reviews and Affiliates
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A few other things that I think are key that I'll just mention here, I think we've done other episodes on them. So I won't spend a lot of time on something like reviews, for instance, and why they're important. Yeah. I mean, especially if you're going to show that something is going to work for you or giving people a vision of how it will work for me, reviews can definitely help do that.
00:25:32
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Yeah. And I think it just, especially if you've just been introduced to a product or maybe you see an ad, I'm much more likely to trust and purchase. Maybe give that product a try if there's a lot of reviews or even moderate amount of reviews. Yeah. You just know other people about this and they like it. And so hopefully I will like it too.
00:25:48
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Yeah, exactly. So having some sort of reviews, I mean, I think this is just key, especially for, I mean, really for any product. Yeah, any service too. Yeah, any product or service. One of the things that we found have really helped, and we talked about this in a recent blog post as well, is affiliate referral programs. So we've implemented kind of the beta version of an affiliate program for FarmFedbox, but we just saw such huge spike in traffic to our website after implementing it.
00:26:15
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I think creating an affiliate program needs to have its own episode. I know. I was going to say, there's so much you could talk about with that. Yeah. And there's just things that we've learned. And I would say that we haven't, I don't know if necessarily in any business we have it completely dialed in, but it's definitely something that has helped and that we feel like has been worthwhile.
00:26:33
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And again, giving people who would otherwise share about your product, some incentive to share about your product is huge because again, I think one of the best ways to give people a vision for how your product can work for them is by other people talking about how it works for them, not just the business telling them how it might work.
00:26:52
Speaker
Yeah, I think that makes sense. Yeah. So those are really the things that I wanted to chat about today. Those are the things that have been top of mind. And we're coming up on 30 minutes here, so it's probably a good time to cut this episode.
Community Engagement and Support
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But there's other things as well, like pixels for tracking. Like right now, we're not running any ads for farm fed box, but we probably will at some point soon, but starting to collect that data now, I think is helpful. So having those kinds of things installed at the outset, I think are good. And there are a few other tips that I can probably think of.
00:27:18
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But, you know, really, those are the things that have been top of mind lately when it comes to memberships. And really just, you know, I've been excited to, it's been fun to work on a lot of these projects for FarmFedbox. And then, you know, especially I'm excited to see the Lupin Dash website launch. But having seen Magic Playbook, I mean, it is a beautiful website. Thank you. So if you haven't checked it out, be sure to give it a look if you have young kids.
00:27:40
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You should sign up, especially for the summer. Definitely check it out. We don't get a referral for that one. We are actually members of that one. It's definitely been a fun project to work on, especially since we use it. Yeah.
00:27:55
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Good deal. Well, as always, if you have anything to contribute, post those comments in the comments section of the blog posts that will go with this episode. And if you have any questions, reach out. And if you have a membership site that you're looking to build and you need some help with it, consider reaching out. We've worked on now a lot of different membership sites with a lot of different tools, and it's something that we really enjoyed lately. Yeah. Thanks for joining us, guys.
00:28:22
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