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Episode 050 - Conceding in the First 10 mins?!? Brentford Match Reaction
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West Ham conceded in the first 10 minutes as they lost to Brentford at home. Tom and Jacob discuss this poor performance and what needs to change in the next game. They end the pod with one player not in the line-up from the last game who should definitely start our next match!
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Transcript
Introduction and Match Frustrations
00:00:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello guys, welcome back to another episode of the Daily GSPN West Ham podcast. I'm joined by Jacob. Say hi, mate.
00:00:16
Jacob
Hello, how are you?
00:00:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm doing okay. It's come off the the back of a very frustrating loss to Brentford 1-0. Jacob, give me give me your kind of your overall thoughts and then we'll get into a little bit more specific.
00:00:29
Jacob
um Overall, I yeah i think we were we were all kind of thinking we were going to get something from this game. And to be honest, um after sort conceding the goal that early. we We just put ourselves in it in a really difficult position with the with the squad that we put out. um I think that the players that came onto the pitch did make a big difference.
00:00:59
Jacob
um And yeah, I think they basically, they they set up um after scoring that goal, basically, just to just sort of hang on.
Evaluating Missed Opportunities and Team Position
00:01:11
Jacob
um We had a lot more of the ball And RXG wasn't as good, but um we definitely could have taken something from the game. You know think of the Kudus chance where you know he puts it over the bar.
00:01:26
Jacob
I think a Kudus on his usual form, you know feeling confident, would have put that away. And it's just frustrating, really, because...
00:01:38
Jacob
That is the kind of game we we need to get something from if we want to finish somewhere decent in the table, really. So, yeah, just just frustration, really. But, you know, not extremely upset or disappointed. I think they're a team that have been a little bit up and down this season, but overall been good and have a good sort of balance and and core of players that, you know, sort of have played in week in, week out.
00:02:08
Jacob
um You know, with Mbuemo, Shada Wisser up top, like, that's a dangerous attack for anyone. um It could have been worse. And i think we just need to sort of move on and hope, you know, it's not going to get easier. But let's see.
Team Dynamics: Lopetegui vs. Potter
00:02:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I agree. i don't think there's too much point in dwelling on it too much. I think the frustrating thing for me is it's so symptomatic of how we were under Lopetegui, where we just concede early and then the whole game is so difficult to recover because we're on the back foot the whole time and we're we have to then take it to the other team, which I don't really think we have been that great at this season at all.
00:02:31
Jacob
No.
00:02:38
Jacob
Yeah.
00:02:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
You know you look at all the games that we've managed to do well, very rarely have we... gone behind and then gone on to win the game. It's basically always just about scraping a draw or the whole game kind of going to pot and potentially being slightly resurrected by the subs.
00:03:02
Jacob
yeah
00:03:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like you said, I think the subs are something that have been really well utilised by us this season. But how how are you you feeling under Potter? Obviously, it's been a few games now. We're starting to see how he wants to play. it I feel like it's a little bit more direct. What what are your kind of general thoughts about Potter and his style of football?
00:03:24
Jacob
I mean, there are pros and cons, I think, with but the way he he sets us up. You know, you think of the the way we played under David Moyes, you know, the majority of the time, not having the ball a lot and being clinical with chances when they came. You know, that wasn't the case all the time. It didn't happen.
00:03:45
Jacob
That wasn't always the case. We weren't always clinical of um and we were often punished. But now we're kind of seeing the flip side of it where we've got the majority of the ball. So we had, I believe we had 58% of the ball in the Brentford game and, you know, we didn't do anything with it. So it's trying to find that balance, I think, of, you know, having a good bit of the ball, but then, you know, when having it actually put in those chances that you get away, you know, there are a lot of
00:04:21
Jacob
I think that the players have kind of shown that they have more trust and belief in um in Potter. just You can kind of tell just by body language and you know fighting for the whole 90 minutes, you see Paqueta starting to get back to his best and that's really not something we expected to see whilst Lopetegui was in charge. you know he he He really sort of stagnated and made mistakes and was generally sloppy and underwhelming.
00:04:58
Jacob
um And I just think it's something that but we've got to try and build on. It's an awkward time of the season so to come in and try and have this huge impact. um when these aren't necessarily the players you would have brought in yourself. They're, you know, the choice of a different manager and potentially a different sporting director
Player Futures and Managerial Changes
00:05:21
Jacob
as well. He may not be there come the end of the season.
00:05:24
Jacob
I don't think there's been any kind of official, you know, goings-on with that but from what we've heard it it looks like he may well be looking to leave as well just purely ah you can't really blame him you know he's done some great business and it's not come off for whatever reason um but yeah i think it's just going to be building on what we've started i think um It's not really relevant to the manager, but just want to mention it anyway. But Ferguson coming on, you know, that's obviously a, I guess it is relevant to Potter because of that, that Brighton connection that he's got.
00:06:07
Jacob
He made a massive impact when he came on. um Works hard. He's he' strong. He's quick. He can finish brilliantly. And I think under Potter, if he can get him firing, I know he's not played a huge amount this season, im that's definitely a source of goals for us, which we desperately need.
00:06:26
Jacob
So I think we'd be hoping for him to start in the next game. I'm sure he's proven enough to Potter in that sort of, whatever it was, half an hour cameo that he had to...
Strategic Lineup Adjustments for Improvement
00:06:38
Jacob
I know it was half time he came on, wasn't it?
00:06:40
Jacob
um to
00:06:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
and
00:06:42
Jacob
um yeah to get the start because we didn't have enough going forward but I think we just have to have have a bit of faith.
00:06:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I completely agree. A couple of things I want to touch on what you just said there. Firstly, how many goals do you think Evan Ferguson score for us this season?
00:06:59
Jacob
That is difficult. um
00:07:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's not, isn't it?
00:07:01
Jacob
I think, yeah, because of how little he's played this season, I don't want to go out there and say something ridiculous and and bold just because you know it's hard enough for for somebody who who plays game in, game out to score goals in the Premier League. um I think I'd like to say six.
00:07:25
Jacob
I think he's got six in him.
00:07:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
I was going to say six
00:07:29
Jacob
Six or seven. Yeah, that that seems about right. That seems about... kind of the level you would expect for, you know, a player like him. Yeah,
00:07:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
or seven. I think that the thing that we need to also remember is that we have actually seen him score goals. You know, like he is...
00:07:45
Jacob
yeah.
00:07:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
He is a good striker and he has done it in the Premier League repeatedly. So when you're looking to someone to provide goals, he's going to get the service.
00:07:50
Jacob
Mm-hmm.
00:07:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
And i think we have the quality in behind that's going to allow him to be in the position to score. So... Yeah, really hoping that he can get those goals. um My second point was about the kind of revelation of Paquette's form, because he seems to be a complete different player under Potter. The way that he's been given the responsibility of leading the line, I think it's brought out the best side of his character, the like motivated, hungry, aggressive, tenacious side that we we definitely missed under Lopetegui.
00:08:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
What do you think it is that has kind of brought that out of him?
00:08:30
Jacob
I think it it must just be the the ideas that Potters brought with him and the belief he's shown in the players, there was quite clearly a disconnect between Lopetegui and the players ah during his time. um And I think it's so obvious when you look back at the performances and, you know, someone like Piquetta in particular, to see ah player of his ability just...
00:09:02
Jacob
have very little impact at all. you know it's It's not normal. It's not something... You know yeah you you think of the Man City squad, the players in there, they have faith in their manager. They play the way their manager wants them to play and the manager plays them so their strengths. It's sort of like a two-way street where they trust each other.
00:09:33
Jacob
and it all goes well and you get great results and performances and the score loads of goals. And with Lopetegui, that clearly wasn't going to happen.
00:09:44
Jacob
And i think with Potter, it's yeah it's just a ah better atmosphere and ah better probably understanding
Analyzing Performances and Potential Changes
00:09:53
Jacob
between him and the players, what he wants from them.
00:09:56
Jacob
um I just think in his interviews and and all the stuff we've seen from him, he seems really up for the challenge and you know, he's he's defended his players already and, you know, it is a very difficult situation for him to come into. um And i think, yeah, there's just a belief that we didn't have before.
00:10:18
Jacob
ah don't think we we had belief. I don't think the manager had belief in the players. I don't think the players had belief in the manager and it was never really gonna going to end well, was it?
00:10:29
Jacob
um something Something had to change. So, particularly with Paqueta, I'd love to see him kick on and find that form again. Because, you know, how he was playing, I think he was probably struggled to get in the Brazil team, to be honest. like he's been ah ah He's been a fixture of that team for a while now.
00:10:49
Jacob
But I think with his early season performances, i think I don't think he really deserved to be in there. um Which is sad to say, being someone that we we love to watch and can be very influential on a game with his work rate and technical ability and flair.
00:11:08
Jacob
um But yeah, I think...
00:11:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I think...
00:11:11
Jacob
Yeah, go on.
00:11:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
When you look at the Paqueta that Man City wanted to sign, he hasn't been that player at the start of the season.
00:11:18
Jacob
No.
00:11:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
you know the first The whole first half, he's not the same player. So, yeah, the the sort of things you're talking about are reminiscent of the Paqueta that was linked to Man City. And the more that he does play like this, the more I get worried again about ah him but potentially leaving.
00:11:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
is It's a nervy one, isn't it?
00:11:31
Jacob
Yeah.
00:11:33
Jacob
Yeah, for sure.
00:11:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Okay. So, go on.
00:11:35
Jacob
It's...
00:11:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, I'll cut you off again. Go for it.
00:11:38
Jacob
gods goes are Just, yeah, that' that's the only that's the only thing. Every time he has a good run of form, it seems to be something kind of stopping him maybe getting that huge move away, which is ah is a blessing and a curse. We don't want to see him go, but...
00:11:59
Jacob
You know, you wouldn't say it's it's out of the question in the future, would you really? um Yeah, that's that's it.
00:12:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:12:05
Jacob
I'm done. You can go.
00:12:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah It's a very nervy one. Okay. um So we're going to advert break. And when we get back, I'd like to discuss a little bit more about this game and some of the players' performances individually.
00:12:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, so looking at the game specifically, it's very frustrating when you look at the stats and you look at the numbers because we actually are relatively similar. Obviously, our XG is is not nowhere near good enough for the amount of possession had.
00:12:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
But you look at the way that certain players played, I think our defence was relatively good, to be honest. like I don't think it was bad. When you look at conceding so early, obviously like that's an an issue with defence.
00:13:02
Jacob
Mm-hmm.
00:13:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
But that's something that's reminiscent of our season generally. So i I don't think it's kind of fair to pin that on any one individual player. It just is something that we've started slow.
00:13:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
Um, but like there onwards, I think Arreola had a really good game, to be honest. I thought he was pretty solid. Um, I thought Mavropanos did relatively well as well. Someone who has been a little bit shaky. I thought he did well.
00:13:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Kilman, obviously, as solid as he as he always is. Wan-Bissaka had a good game. For me, I think what really lets down was the midfield and our attack, to be honest. um Paquette had a decent game. But other than that, like even, hate to say it, but Jarrod Bowen didn't have a great game.
00:13:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
um
00:13:44
Jacob
no
00:13:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
When we're looking at reasons for not winning games and reasons for not getting points, I think ah too much of the time onus is put on the manager and is put on other things. But sometimes it just does dust come down to the fact that we didn't take enough chances and we didn't create enough chances.
00:14:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
you know And I think this is one of those instances that I wouldn't really put a lot of blame on Potter and I'd put it more on the players out there because... you know We definitely had the quality to get something from this game and the players just didn't do it. So it's one where you have to be like, have the players done well enough? in And in my opinion, I don't think they have. but I don't know what your opinion is on that.
00:14:22
Jacob
Yeah, it wasn't... yeah like I think it's just... I'm to start repeating myself, to be honest. We're just not clinical. you know you can say, obviously, Bowen is only now coming back.
00:14:36
Jacob
And when you look at that initial line-up, you know we're basically playing with... four midfielders, like four central midfielders, all within one starting XI.
00:14:51
Jacob
And it does make you think we the chances that we get, we have to take because they're not going to be coming all the time. you know Whereas you look at the Brentford side who have got wingers who will just fly up and down and they've got like a target man who they can just play the ball into and he scores goals for fun. So, it's it's difficult because we know how good Jared Bowen it is. We know how good Kudas can be.
00:15:24
Jacob
um
00:15:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank
00:15:25
Jacob
well I think, to be honest, there's not a lot he can do with that team other than he maybe could have started Ferguson. And I think he probably should have started with Ward Prowse. I know he's been out of the team.
00:15:39
Jacob
I know it's very difficult to start somebody that's been out on loan and, you know, probably not trained a huge amount. um But i think I think that will have to be the change that in the next game.
00:15:54
Jacob
Definitely, I would even, I'd even go as far as to say Skarls probably should get in there as well. He came on, he made a huge impact straight away. He just looks very calm and assured and yeah, he's he's big as well.
00:16:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
He looks ready for it.
00:16:12
Jacob
Like, he's he's physical and he's hungry.
00:16:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:16:15
Jacob
He's got He's definitely got more in his legs than than Emerson has at this stage. and you know Technically speaking, Emerson is the better player, but Scarls just offers that different aspect.
00:16:32
Jacob
A little bit more similar to Wan-Bissaka, I'd say. Someone that will work hard. um And yeah, I think there's not a huge amount he could have done differently, I don't think. And I just think he's one of those performances where you could kind of see where it was going to go after the goal went in at four minutes.
00:16:52
Jacob
We were knocking on the door at times, not the whole time, and we were left kind of underwhelmed. And yeah, we just hope that it improves and that the sort of the lineup is more positive maybe next week. That's what I'd say probably edge on the slightly more attacking sides just because he he would have seen how how little we offered.
00:17:18
Jacob
So you'd like to think that that's where we're going to go.
00:17:21
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I think the main point about this performance is conceding early isn't something that Graham Potter has caused. It's something that's left over from the previous manager.
00:17:30
Jacob
no
00:17:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, you know, when he's not had that much time with the team and with the players and something happens that was reminiscent of the previous manager, how much can you put that up to him? And how much do you have to be like, well, you know, it's remnants of the old manager's philosophies and just the players not being switched on, you know, like...
00:17:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
especially at home, like conceding that early at home it is so disappointing. And it's so, it just sucks all of the the positivity and the enthusiasm in it.
00:17:54
Jacob
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:17:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
It completely rocks the whole stadium, which then completely negates the whole playing at home factor, you know? So, yeah For me, I just think the players have to do better, to be honest. like I'm not going to be crazy harsh on them, but I just don't i think there lot of players, particularly on midfield, I just don't think was that great, to be honest. I think when James Ward-Prowse came on, he did ah really good job of keeping things ticking over, which I really like.
00:18:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
he He gets the ball and he moves it really quickly. and Obviously, his passing ability is unbelievable. so yeah i think the shout to have him play in the next game is probably a good one. and The Oli Scarls one is something that I've...
00:18:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
I've been preaching about this for the past couple of games because he's so ready to share the minutes with Emerson. He looks so comfortable. He's physically really good. His decision-making is really good. In the game against Wolves, he he was against Adama Traore and he didn't look scared at all. He was going toe-to-toe with him.
00:18:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
He wasn't biting him because he knew was scared. He was kind of backing off a bit, backing himself apace. So i really like his profile as a player and I hope that he does start to get more minutes. um I guess my my final thing is, is it too early to start Evan Ferguson every game?
00:19:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Because ah really like Paqueta and I think he's played really well up front, but he's not a striker. and He doesn't do all of the things that a striker should do. I think that's something that we do really miss.
00:19:20
Jacob
No, I think now that we've got him, I don't see any point in waiting for the moment when we really, really, really need a goal just to bring him on to try and get one.
00:19:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I agree.
00:19:33
Jacob
um
00:19:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:19:33
Jacob
it It seems crazy.
00:19:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
Why is he sat on the bench?
00:19:36
Jacob
Yeah, exactly. And that's got to be the reason he's here. You know, means... if it means um leaving out one of the one of the midfielders. yeah It's got to be done. You know, whether that's Alvarez has to has to wait on the bench because you've got, you know, a slightly more front-footed thinking, you know, Suchek, Paqueta with Ferguson, Soler, Koudis and Bowen. You know, that, that
00:20:14
Jacob
you can see more goals coming from that just because but it just offers way more. um as We shouldn't be using a creative midfielder slash winger as a number nine when we've got a Premier League proven player ready to go.
00:20:35
Jacob
you know he's had his 45 minutes to ah sort of warm up. He would have had more time to train The manager knows him you know relatively well, knows how to play to his strengths and you know evan Evan Ferguson is going to have a point to prove as well, I'm sure, with his um lack of game time that he's got at Brighton this season.
Conclusion and Future Strategies
00:21:00
Jacob
Largely due to how good Danny Welbeck's been and the likes of João Pedro and and others who have kind of left him without any any real opportunities to to show what he can do.
00:21:13
Jacob
So, yeah, it it goes both ways. you know if If he is ready, then he should start, definitely, 100%, no doubt for me.
00:21:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, I think i agree. We're going to go to another advert now. and When we get back, we are going to talk about one player that we think 100% should start next game that didn't start.
00:22:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
So I would like you to give me one player that needs to start next game in the scenario where, so if we take the last starting 11 for the game, you're only allowed to make one change.
00:22:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
What change would it be? And then I'll tell you mine. And then we'll have a little discussion about who we think is more important. Okay. So you're only allowed to make one change. What is it?
00:22:37
Jacob
um That's actually more difficult than thought it would be and
00:22:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Only I'll say one.
00:22:45
Jacob
because i have two, obviously, but I'm...
00:22:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah the afternoon one
00:22:51
Jacob
Okay, I'll go Ferguson just because I think... with the midfield depth that we've got anyway, that really should not be something we have to be worried about. We need to be more worried about whether where the goals are going to come from.
00:23:10
Jacob
That's just what I think. um And I think just with him available, he's got a play. um I was tempted to say Ward-Prowse. um I'm not sure who he'd go in for.
00:23:23
Jacob
and But they both...
00:23:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, give give me who you would you who would you swap him for? How would you change the team to get Ferguson?
00:23:29
Jacob
i
00:23:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's tough.
00:23:31
Jacob
Well,
00:23:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
stuff
00:23:35
Jacob
it is tough because I think if I'm putting Ferguson in, I would probably take out... Probably take out Soler. um And I would have, you know, like Alvarez, Suchek Paqueta. But then solair has his...
00:23:52
Jacob
has probably earned his place to a certain extent as well.
00:23:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, it's tough.
00:23:57
Jacob
um So it would be toss-up between Alvarez and Soler for me. um And then if it was to be Ferguson, um I think it would just have to be another midfielder, to be honest. I think it would have to it be the same again um because realistically, we were playing Piqueta as a goal scorer.
00:24:18
Jacob
ah goal score um So it kind of has to be a midfielder. I think that's where we've got the most depth and can afford really to change it around a little bit where needed to, you know, whether we need to attack or defend or, you know, hold on to the ball.
00:24:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:24:36
Jacob
So I think Ferguson, for me, has to be the change.
00:24:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay. See, I agree with you, but I'll go with James Wood Browse just to kind of spice things up a bit.
00:24:43
Jacob
do think?
00:24:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think when when you look at James Ward-Prowse last season, he was one of the most influential players for us. So the the decisions to loan him out anyway was a really strange one. um You know, the manager didn't fancy him.
00:24:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
So that kind of is what it is. But the new manager has come in and obviously rates him and wants to give him minutes because he, you know, putting him on so early in this game showed that he does have a decent level of faith in him, even having not seen him that much. Yeah.
00:25:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think his ability to dictate the game is really different to a lot of other players that we have. Like, we've got Suchek, who on actually on ball isn't necessarily the best, but the runs that he makes and the decisions that he makes are really good, and he always finds himself in goal-scoring positions.
00:25:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
And you look at other midfielders, like Paqueta wants to pick up the ball and drive and beat people and like little silky one-twos and... You've got Soler, who's kind of more well-rounded. I think he's probably one of the most similar to James Ward-Prowse in his skill set because he's not necessarily brilliant at anything, but he's really good at all aspects of game um aspects of the game that I think are probably important for a midfielder.
00:25:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, yeah for me, i would probably take Soler out. I'd put Paqueta in the midfield. in midfield. I'd then play a three and I'd have...
00:26:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Paqueta having a kind of freer role, and I'd want Kudus and Bowen to attack, just go for it. Because, you know, with that sort of defensive cover, we've got the the three midfielders, Paqueta a little bit further forwards, and then Kudus and Bowen kind of just having a ah free role to float about wherever they want attacking-wise.
00:26:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
think it gives us a lot more attacking threat. we've really lacked speed in behind. i know that Kudus loves to beat people and he's not necessarily built to go in behind, but I think he has the physical attributes to do that.
00:26:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
So if we kind of pushed him a little bit further and give him the opportunity to try and run in behind, he'd be, he'd be really good at that. So yeah, for me, I'd bring James Will Prowse in and probably,
00:26:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think I'd hope that we'd score some free kicks as well, because we've not seen James Earl Prowse score a West Ham free kick yet, which is something that I'm sure will come, because he's definitely obviously going to be taking free kicks with his unbelievable ability to do so.
00:27:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
um And I just don't think that he's done anything to not get in the team.
00:27:14
Jacob
Yeah.
00:27:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
You know, he he was like one of our most influential players last season, and he's been on loan. So coming back, I think he should be straight back into the fold. And... yeah If it wasn't duncan v Evan Ferguson, which it probably would be, I'm very happy to have James Ward-Prowse come in and do an absolute job for us in midfield.
00:27:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
um Okay, well, I i think that that's it for the podcast. it Got anything else add, Goodbye.
00:27:42
Jacob
yeah and Sweet, yeah, so thank you all very much for watching slash listening to this episode of the daily GSPN West End podcast. Say goodbye, Tom.
00:27:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Goodbye.
00:27:55
Jacob
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00:28:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thank you.
00:28:11
Jacob
including the Fantasy Football Pod, Women's Football Pod, Ravod Pods in multiple different languages. And then you've got all the other Premier League team daily pods as well. um Thank you for listening and we'll speak to you soon.