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When Allyship Costs You Whiteness & A Deep Dive Into Black Film
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Spike Lee, Denzel, and one confusing plot later… we somehow end up deep in the real-world cost of allyship and how white supremacy protects itself. Bruce Anthony and Jay Aundrea kick off with a brutally honest movie breakdown, slide into a hilarious (and very passionate) Black “sex symbol” debate sparked by Teyana Taylor, then pivot into a serious conversation about privilege, risk, and what real allyship actually requires. And because we can’t leave you stressed, we close with a must-watch Top 10 Black Movies conversation that hits Black love, Black joy, Black pain, and the full spectrum of the Black experience.
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Chapters:
00:00 White Supremacy, Black Cinema—Let’s Go 🎬🔥🧠
00:17 Welcome to Unsolicited Perspectives 🎙️🔥💥
00:45 Sibling Happy Hour: Debates, Deep Truths, and Chaos 💥😏🥂
03:05 When the Plot Falls Apart 😬📉🎬
04:25 Is Spike Lee Past His Prime? 🎥🕰️😳
05:45 Remember When Spike Was Must-See? 🏃🏾♂️🎞️🔥
09:19 Sex Symbols, Teyana Taylor Has Eartha Kitt Energy 🐈⬛🔥👑
12:55 Who Gets the “Black Sex Symbol” Crown? 👀👑🔥
15:14 When Allyship Costs You Whiteness ⚖️🩸🚨
16:15 What Real Allyship Actually Requires 🛑🤝💥
23:45 When Sacrifice Sparks Change 🕯️📜🔥
40:15 Core Classics We Can’t Debate 🎞️🖤🔥
48:45 Love, Laughter, and Black Joy 💕😂🎶
51:01 Why These Movies Still Matter Today 🖤📚✨
01:02:03 Black Is Beautiful—Final Thoughts 🖤✨🎤
01:03:04 Thank You, Subscribe, and Pull Up Again 🙌🏾🔔🎧
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Introduction and Movie Reviews
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white supremacy, and black cinema. We gonna get into it. Let's get it.
00:00:16
Speaker
Welcome. First of all, welcome. This is Unsolicited Perspectives. I'm your host, Bruce Anthony, here to lead the conversation in important events and topics that are shaping today's society. Join the conversation and follow us wherever you get your audio podcasts. Subscribe to our YouTube channel for our video podcast, YouTube exclusive content, and our YouTube membership.
00:00:35
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Rate, review, like, comment, share. Share with your friends, share with your family, hell, even share with your enemies. On today's episode, I'm here with my sis, J. Andrea. We're going to be dilly-dadding a little bit. Then we're going talking about white supremacy. And then we're going talking about the top 10 black movies.
00:00:54
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But that's enough of the intro. Let's get to the show.
00:01:05
Speaker
What up, sis? What up, brother? I can't call it. I can't call it. I did something this weekend. Oh, boy. And, well, it wasn't anything too crazy.
00:01:16
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But I watched the last, what supposedly was billed as the last Denzel Washington Spike Lee movie. Okay. Highest to the lowest. Have you watched it?
00:01:29
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Is that the one where the... No. I don't think... Is that the one where Sun is kidnapped? Yes.
00:01:40
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Yes, I have seen that. Yes. Okay. What did you think about the movie?
00:01:46
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Yeah. that Okay. Ladies and gentlemen, if y'all not watching the video, my sister made a face. There's like, yeah. yeah yeah like I honestly don't think I finished it. and And I don't blame you.
00:01:59
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yeah I finished it because I'm not gonna not watch a Denzel movie all the way through because no matter what, I'm waiting for those Denzel scenes. And he did give them to me. He gave me those Denzel scenes. yeah However...
00:02:15
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Typically, a Spike Lee joint has a message, an overarching theme throughout the entire movie, and then you're supposed to learn something. The reason why I love Spike Lee's movies, the older movies. Yes. Yeah.
00:02:29
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There was... i don't I don't know the story in this one. Yeah, his son is kidnapped. But it's like... not really a good kidnapping. and Yeah. And it seems like sophisticated ah what he certificate with the kidnapper is asking for, but the person that's the kidnapper wasn't that sophisticated.
00:02:54
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And they figured it out before the cops did. and I'm just like, what the hell? At the end of the movie, i was like, what the hell did I just watch for two hours? Right.
00:03:06
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And I feel like... There was a lot put into, like, him being this music mogul.
00:03:17
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And there were it ended up being, like, very little payoff regarding that. Like... Very, yeah very little payoff.
00:03:28
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It felt like they put a lot into that in the beginning of the movie. Again, I didn't finish it because i was like, okay. Because it isn't it wasn't his son. it was it It ended up being Jeffrey Wright's son.
00:03:43
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Mm-hmm. That was taken. And I was like, oh, I see where this is going. Like, he's probably not gonna put up the money for this, you know, because why would he you know, like... and Because that's that's his... It was his godson. I mean, it wasn't his son, but it was his godson. I'm sorry. If my goddaughter was kidnapped, I'm go find the money.
00:04:04
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Oh, yeah. I ain't got no money. But if i if she was kidnapped, I'm gonna find the money. Right. but if Yeah. And I was just like, all right. Ladies and gentlemen, go watch it for yourself, but I had an interesting conversation with a friend of mine earlier today, and they were just like, you surprised a Spike Lee movie wasn't good? And I was like, hold up.
Spike Lee's Cinematic Journey
00:04:25
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Spike Lee is a film genius. Yeah. Like, wait a minute. They were like, yeah, old Spike Lee, but when was the last time he's had a really good movie? And I had to think about it, and then it came to me, Black Klansman.
00:04:38
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Because that's the reason why he was upset that the Green Book won over Black Klansman and he had it he had a temper tantrum. And I still haven't seen the Green Book, but I can understand why that would win because that ain't nothing but a drive and Miss Dady Z in reverse. Right. Nobody wants to see Black empowerment. They want to see Black suffering. So that's why that... Okay. I mean... That's one way to attack that. We're going get into white supremacy in the second of the second segment. But outside of that, it has been a little minute since Spike had a slammer. My man was like, hey, did you see Chirac? I was like, no, i actually haven't seen it. He was like, ain't no reason for you to.
00:05:21
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Yeah. Ooh. I mean, the last like commercial success, I think, was Inside Man. And that was 2006. And then he really just did a like a handful of films sporadically over the years. 2006 was 20 years ago. That that was point that my friend was making. it was like, yeah, like I don't know why you would expect a good movie.
00:05:47
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Well, the thing is, like, I think he got to a point in his career at that point where it's like, okay, I can make the movies I want to make. Well, he's always made the movies he wants to make. so But, like, in the time he wants to make them, like, he doesn't have to hustle as hard as he did between 86 and... and
00:06:11
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2000, right? Where he's like coming out with a movie a year. So, I mean, I can't really say because I didn't see Miracle at St. Anna. I didn't see Red Hook Summer. I didn't see Old Boy. i didn't see The Sweet Blood of Jesus. i didn't see Chirac.
00:06:25
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I didn't see Black Klansman. I didn't see The Five Bloods. i didn't Okay, blacks klansman was on black klansmen not blacklansmen Black Klansman was the only one of those movies that I actually saw.
00:06:38
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But that goes to my friend's larger point. It used to be a time where a Spike Lee joint, we were running to the movie theater. Right. Right. to go see it. And I can't remember the last time I ran to the movie theater to go see a Spike Lee joint.
00:06:53
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and Inside man. I didn't run to the movie theater. I waited for that to come out on DVD. Well, it was good. It was good. And that was the last good Denzel Spike Lee movie. but they're But their start was Mo' Better Blues and then Malcolm X. So it's it's only downhill from that because you can't top pretty Malcolm X. Yeah.
00:07:15
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Yeah, Moe Better Blue. mean, yeah. Malcolm X, did he get the Oscar for that? he got Oscar nom? yeah, he got an Oscar. Him and Denzel both got an Oscar nom, ain't win it.
00:07:27
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right. They were both nominated Best Actor. Actually, he was not nominated for screenplay or director for for Malcolm X. It was Best Actor and Best Costume Design. Those were the only two nominations for Academy Award.
00:07:44
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That sounds about right. But finish the movie. Finish the movie. it Because there's a great musical performance at the end. And I found my new crush.
00:07:57
Speaker
You know, i got to have at least 17 celebrity crushes revolving in my brain at one time, and I found a new one. Sure, sure, yeah. And she performs at the end, so check it out. that the one who performed like part of the... what Like she was in the lobby of his... Not her. Okay, somebody else. ok Somebody else, yeah. ah Speaking of awards...
00:08:19
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Tiana Taylor won a Golden Globe Award for her Best Performance by a Female Actor in a Supporting Role in a Motion Picture for One Battle After Another.
00:08:30
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I have not seen that movie. but Yeah. I haven't seen it either, but I love Tiana Taylor. I love everybody that's in that movie, so I'm very excited watch love Tiana Taylor as a person or an actress? Both.
00:08:42
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ah as is As a singer first, as a recording artist first. Yeah. As an actress. i don't really know I don't know her as a person, so I can't really say. Well, and through interviews, and she seemed like, you She seemed cool. Yeah, she seemed cool. a Typical New York.
00:09:00
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woman, just cool, but with a mouth. i had I had an epiphany while watching. I didn't watch the Golden Globes. i was watching the highlights. She reminds me of what Eartha Kitt was in Eartha Kitt's heyday.
00:09:16
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She even kind of looks like a young Eartha Kitt. And then I was talking to a friend of mine earlier today. still looks like a cat. Yes, she looks like a cat.
00:09:29
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Yes, so she looks like a cat. And the thing is, ah who is her? ah Something Pierre. Oh, God, this guy is escaping me who her boyfriend is. Well, her ex-husband was a Mon Shumper.
00:09:41
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No, no. Chicago's own. Aaron Pierre. ah So, yeah, the both of them, if you see them together, they look like two very expensive cats. Because they both who look that both look like cats. Aaron Pierre, to me, looks like a ah puma.
00:10:00
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Okay. So if you look at a puma and then look at Aaron, I can't unsee it. But, yeah, they look like two very expensive cats. That's probably where you're getting that from. So... Here's another thing.
00:10:12
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And I put... Eartha Kitt was beautiful, so I'm not putting Eartha Kitt in that category. But I'm putting Tiana Taylor and angela Angelina Jolie in a similar category. And this is what I mean by this. And and ladies and gentlemen, I know I just gave a whole segment about men judging women's looks. I'm not judging their looks.
00:10:33
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Oh, boy. Okay. I'm not judging their looks. Okay. It sounds like that's what's about to happen. She's beautiful. She's attractive woman. I'm not judging her looks. yes However...
00:10:49
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However, this sex symbol thing is a all encompassing because as pretty as she is, i don't see her being like to me. She is becoming the black female sex symbol, kind of like Angelina Jolie was. But like when you compare with Brad Pitt left Jennifer Aniston for Angelina Jolie, I was like, why he do that?
00:11:16
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And Jennifer Aniston is more my speed. But everybody was Because you like girl next door look. And that's not who Angelina Jolie or Tiana Taylor are. That's exactly what the hell it is. he Yeah, they have a very unique look. But Tiana Taylor, talented body T. Yeah.
00:11:34
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She's a sex symbol. She, it she yeah to me, it's... I think she is the female Black sex symbol. Mm-hmm. I can't think... Well, my girl Kelly Rowland. But they're different. They're different. Yes. Right? They're different. their Kelly Rowland is girl next door.
00:11:53
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Oh, that's the reason why I love her so much. Yeah, I like them girl next doors. Hey, look, if you got glasses and you short... yeah and you look like the girl next door. You got my heart. yeah yeah I don't want you to be the girl next door. I want you to look like the girl next door. But no, I thought, i think she can be, i think this is a great stepping stone. She's come a long way from the Tyler Perry movie where she was yelling out, Byron! She's come a long way and I love to see this. Little upset
00:12:25
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that my my girl was in the movie and a lot of her scenes got cut out. Who, Regina Hall? Yes. little I haven't seen the movie yet, but just the fact that I won't see virginiaina Regina Hall disappoints me, but I'm happy for Tiana Taylor. I really, really am truly happy for who should be, even though
00:12:48
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Denise's daughter did a good job playing Catwoman. Tiana Taylor would be great as Catwoman. Why? Because she looks like a cat. She already looked like a cat. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Agreed.
00:13:00
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And the dude, Pierre, he he looked different, too. I don't know why he getting all this publicity as, you know, this sex symbol, but he is going to be the Green Lantern. So that's pretty cool. you know i mean, you know, he's he's English. He's light-skinned. He got light eyes. It's not hard math to see how he got put in end into that position. But to me, he looks like a a large cat. And I can't unsee that. And so that's that's where I'm at with that. They're both very attractive, though. Yeah, they're attractive. But he ain't no Blair Underwood. That's all going say. Well, Blair Underwood, again, in a class by himself. In a class by himself. Yeah, he's in a class by himself. oh All right.
00:13:45
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Speaking on being in a class by yourself, we're going to talk about white people in white supremacy and that privilege next.
White Supremacy and Allyship
00:14:07
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Okay, Jay, you sent me something interesting. and and And I was like, huh, this is the second segment because I know you would have thoughts on it. So you sent me a video this morning, actually.
00:14:20
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In a video, this white woman is talking about Basically, what's happened with Renee Nicole Good, who was the woman that was shot in Minneapolis by the ICE agent, that they are, the DOJ and the FBI have already said they're not going to investigate the shooting.
00:14:38
Speaker
So... There's not going to be any resolution to that under this administration. But yeah in that video, the woman said, yes, this is what happens when white people go against white supremacy. You lose the privilege of being white and harm can come to you in the process. This is something that's happened, I know, over throughout history here in the United States. And yes, we are talking about white supremacy and my sister going to give her thoughts about this particular video.
00:15:14
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But this isn't a segment ah of us bashing white people. I'm actually going to give... white people who have sacrificed their white privilege in combat of white supremacy, their flowers in this segment. Because there's a lot of y'all out there.
00:15:33
Speaker
A lot of my friends are out there and they're down for the cause, even sometimes stronger than me. And I'd be like, damn, ain't got to be like, you could take some days off. You ain't to do this every moment of every day. It's going to be overwhelming, but yeah I'm glad that you in and it and recognize it. But yeah, You said you had thoughts, and I'm curious to hear what your thoughts are.
00:15:53
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think she's absolutely right that by by truly being an ally, right, which is putting your body on the line, right? And what I mean by that is stepping in between the oppressor and the oppressed, right?
00:16:12
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right actually filling that gap with yourself and saying no, right you do lose your the benefits of your proximity to whiteness and to white supremacy. like You lose the benefit of your whiteness but by putting yourself in that position, and you do open yourself up to a violence that you would not normally ever, like, come across. Like, you would normally never even... it wouldn't even be on your radar. It's part of the reason why the civil rights movement was so impactful is because it it televised the revolution, right? It put...
00:16:59
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this kind of violence that Black people were experiencing, particularly state-sanctioned violence at the hands of police, but also domestic terror groups like the KKK, it put that violence that they were experiencing right into the homes of white people, into their living room. And so of violence that you would never ever encounter as a white person in this country, by filling up that gap between the oppressed and the oppressor, you do open yourself up to that violence by way of losing your proximity to white privilege. And I think that it's... One, it's... What happened in Minneapolis should have never happened. it And the fact that it's not going to be investigated...
00:17:54
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is not surprising. And you never want people who are exercising their... She wasn't even protesting, but people who are exercising their right to protest or to film...
00:18:12
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agents or to just be in proximity of these. And i' I'm using the term agents very loosely. they These are people, ah somebody ah had a sign that was very true. It's too lazy to be soldiers, too dumb to be cops. And that so they became ICE, quote unquote, agents and they cosplay as law enforcement. But to to oh You should never have to deal with violence by exercising your constitutional rights, especially for protest.
00:18:45
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And so knowing that real allyship puts you closer to Blackness,
00:18:57
Speaker
Right. Or otherness. That's a hard that's a reason why you you don't find a a lot of true allies, because they know that to stand in that place is to align themselves with otherness, blackness, whatever they're standing up for. Right. Right.
00:19:18
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And that makes them a target. You see it also with sexism, right? The idea of, oh, you're a simp, you're a beta male, just because you're advocating for ah equity, right, between the sexes, just because you're advocating that for women to feel safe in public spaces or things like that. You you get attacked. You lose your proximity to masculinity in the eyes women.
00:19:48
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people who benefit from a supremacist culture. So, yeah, I think she's absolutely right. And it is something that is normal for us because we're always in a a position to encounter that kind of violence because we don't have proximity to white supremacy. So this is par for the course for us. We assume that we're going to be met with some sort of violence, but for for white people...
00:20:17
Speaker
To say I want to be an ally and I really want to stand up and actually be impactful with my activism is to know that you're giving up some of the benefits of whiteness and you are opening yourself up to violence.
00:20:36
Speaker
yeah The reason why, and you always say that I'm too forgiving, I give too much grace, but the reason why i give white people some grace for not either acknowledging certain things exactly when they should or being slow to be active is because I recognize as a male, male is the only privilege. I got two privileges.
00:21:08
Speaker
I got two. I'm male and i'm pretty. Right. Like I got those are the only two privileges that I got. This gender, you're educated, you're in a certain economic class. There are several privileges that you have. I like it. I like the two that I name. But. All right.
00:21:24
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So I understand what it's like to be in privilege. The little privilege that I have. also understand how hard it is to get that bad boy up for a cause. Yeah.
00:21:35
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Yeah. Right. Another privilege I have is time. I have time. I have time to donate that time for services for good. Do I?
00:21:48
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No. Why? Because I like the privilege of having my time. So I understand yeah what it's like. not wanting to give up that privilege, either consciously or subconsciously. Like, I i get it.
00:22:04
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I get it. Yeah. But I said i was going to give white people their flowers in this segment because, yes, that person that was an ICE agent that that shot that woman, he was definitely white. And don't get me wrong. All the domestic terror in this country,
00:22:20
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White people from yeah the beginning of the foundation of this country, white people. However, there have been several, several white allies to causes that combat white supremacy. So white people have a long documented history of being killed in the U.S. while they have actively joined struggles against slavery,
00:22:46
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Jim Crow, and contemporary white
Honoring Historical White Allies
00:22:49
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nationalism. These deaths are a through line from the abolitionist era to the Freedom Summer to Charlottesville, showing that challenging white supremacy has never been risk-free for anyone who seriously opposes it. We're going all the way back to a Elijah Parrish Lovejoy. Who was that? Y'all are like, Bruce, who was that? He was a white Presbyterian minister and abolitionist editor.
00:23:14
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He was murdered in 1837 by pro-slavery mob in Alton, Illinois, while defending his anti-slavery printing press. He was shot five times as the mob tried to burn the warehouse and destroy his press. Lovejoy's killing was widely described as the as a martyrdom for the abolitionist cause and sparked national outrage, especially among Northern anti-slavery activists. So...
00:23:43
Speaker
when you give up your proximity to whiteness and white supremacy huh and you give your life to it, nine times out of ten, that's but it's not a loss of life for no reason.
00:24:01
Speaker
There have been many of black civil rights leaders, black abolitionists that have lost their lives and hasn't done a thing to move the movement further. Asides galvanize the people who are already moving in that movement. Right. Right. Right.
00:24:18
Speaker
But when you're, when a life is lost, combating some type of oppression, right. And it's coming from a person that would typically be on the other side of that oppression.
00:24:30
Speaker
The other people that look like that person and believe like that person start to be like, wait a minute, hold up. Yeah. I understand y'all was killing them, but now you're killing us.
00:24:41
Speaker
What the hell is going on? Yeah. So that's just, you know, it starts with Elijah Lovejoy. But let's not forget about the three civil rights workers. Right. James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner. I think that's how you say his name. Schwerner? Schwerner.
00:24:59
Speaker
Yeah. Y'all will know them from a movie called Mississippi Burning starring Gene Hackman. Great movie. But the three of them were abducted and murdered by the KKK with help from the deputy sheriff.
00:25:13
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in Mississippi while working on black voter registration and then was later and investigated in the burning of a black church. Their bodies were found weeks later in a dam.
00:25:25
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The case became one of the most famous examples of white civil rights workers killed by confronting Jim Crow and white supremacy in the Deep South. Do you know what happened? Because of this.
00:25:38
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The president, Lyndon Baines Johnson, forced the FBI and the DOJ to investigate this and immediately labeled the Ku Klux Klan as a domestic terrorists, started investigation. They were the first group that was charged, not charged, but COINTELPRO was a program to attack de domestic terrorism. It was created.
00:26:02
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They attacked the Ku Klux Klan, bankrupt the Ku Klux Klan to the point where you barely see any Ku Klux Klan members. They can't afford the hoods. Couldn't afford the hoods. All because, not because James Cheney was killed, who was the black man, but the two young white men, Andrew Goldman and Michael Schwimmer, white men were killed.
00:26:25
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And white America said, wait a minute. Right. Hold up. This can't be life. This can't be real. Right? And let's not forget about Heather Hare.
00:26:37
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thank that's how you say Higher. She was the white paralegal and anti-racist activist who was killed in Charlottesville. Y'all remember that? That was just a few years ago. I mean, it's a little bit more than a few years ago. was nine years ago. But y'all remember that they will not replace us in Charlottesville. And the guy running her over, right? that's That, along with George Floyd, sparked everybody putting a little black...
00:27:05
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ah picture on their social media posts. So that's just a few of, there's there's more, but I kind of wanted to highlight them. There's way more. There's so many people that helped. There were white people that helped Harriet Tubman. There were more people that marched along Martin Luther King.
00:27:24
Speaker
there were There's been a myriad of white people who have given up their white privilege to combat white supremacy. And that's really the only way that you can combat a oppressive group is for the people in that group to say this isn't right.
00:27:43
Speaker
Look, yeah black people are always fight white supremacy. Always. yeah But guess what? We don't have a choice. We don't have a choice. Guess what? It's not our problem. It's not our problem that white people, white people feeding into white supremacy, Stephen Miller, Donald Trump, the whole Trump administration, Pete Hegseth, all these people.
00:28:03
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ah Everybody, all them. Not everybody. if I'm sorry. If you're in the trump administration yeah as a choice, oh if you've made a choice to be MAGA, I'm going to safely assume.
00:28:22
Speaker
that you are a white supremacist or a white nationalist. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Period. Yeah. Even if you are Black, even if you are Latino, even if you are Asian, I do not care. Even if you are a woman, even if you are queer, if you are choosing to align yourself...
00:28:44
Speaker
with people who are actively pushing white nationalism and white supremacy, I'm going to safely assume and correct in my assumption that you too are a white nationalist and a white supremacist.
00:29:07
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Yeah. But the larger point that we're trying to make is this was a travesty to what happened to Renee Nicole Good. In every sense of the word, the fact that it is not going to be investigated is just compounding the tragedy. The fact that ICE agents in Minneapolis are actually telling people and it's on video, you guys didn't learn from what just happened.
00:29:34
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And learn what is is usually the response they get. What did I learn? That I can't be in proximity of ICE, quote, agents And ah without risking my life, that was what that was the let that's the lesson? Okay.
00:29:53
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We're going to talk more about what I feel about that on an after hours that we're going to film later on So I'm going have to make a note that that's going to be one of the topics. Y'all need to check out the after hours because I reprogrammed that. And we're getting serious. we need to talk about some stuff that...
00:30:09
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yeah I'm going to give my true thoughts on ICE and all that stuff. But I made this comment on my show on Tuesday that this tragedy, unfortunately, wasn't a necessity
00:30:25
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And it shows, it was almost like, well, as soon as you sent me the video, I said, I knew, i know exactly where I want to take my thoughts on this. And my thoughts were, yes, the only way to combat white supremacy is giving up the white privilege, completely agree with the woman. But also giving up that white privilege means most of the time you've given up your life.
00:30:48
Speaker
And unfortunately, that's the only way that there has ever been a civil rights progress in this country. Somebody got to lose their life. It's somebody that looks like the majority has to lose their life because being, seeing lynchings,
00:31:12
Speaker
The Emmett Till lynching didn't, that freaked out Black America. didn't really freak out white America. No, because if you remember a lynchings, they have picnics. They take pieces the body and invite children. They, yeah, so that's not.
00:31:29
Speaker
By the way, they all, um we're talking about white supremacists here. Always talking about Black people being animals. That's some animal animalistic, barbaric. baric type of actions. that did And this wasn't that long ago, ladies and gentlemen. Everybody was like, was so long ago. It's my parents' generation.
00:31:48
Speaker
My parents were alive when that stuff was happening. Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5 was a thing. Now, 60 years ago you might be a really long time ago, but you know somebody who is 60, 70 years old that's important to you, that you love, and they were alive during that time. So you're going to look back when you're 70 years old and maybe your seminal moment was September 11th or maybe will be the pandemic. Right. And you're going to tell somebody about that time. They'd be like, that was so long ago.
00:32:25
Speaker
But those things were impactful. Right. Yes. You still exhibit, you still like experience them. This wasn't that long ago that they were just doing that. Right. And that was not furthering along the civil rights movement. The the the beating in Birmingham, that helped a little bit.
00:32:45
Speaker
Right. But it was the killing of the white kids down in Mississippi. oh That's what did it. And unfortunately, Renee Nicole Good was assassinated. Yes. Yes.
00:33:00
Speaker
And that woke up a lot of people. And they're like, wait a minute now. She's kind of like me. yeah And now they're not going to investigate. there the the MAGA is digging their own shovel consistently.
00:33:17
Speaker
I always say if they were smart, you take a little bit at a time so people don't notice. Mm hmm. But they're incredibly ambitious. Trump is on a tight timeline.
00:33:28
Speaker
Right. He has to make himself king in the next, you know, three years. So he he's on a tight timeline. So they got to move quickly with this fascist state that they're building.
00:33:42
Speaker
Yeah, they're building it. what What are your final thoughts? Because it does, if if white people, and we have a lot of white fans, I know sometimes they got to be like, it's not my fault. And once again, we're not talking directly to you.
00:33:55
Speaker
Right. Because if you listen to the show, then you're an ally. But it does sometimes... When I do listen back to the show, they'll be like, man, kind of seem like we're attacking white folks. And that's not how we truly feel.
00:34:09
Speaker
I wanted to give white folks, white allies, their flowers. And like I said, I got a lot of friends. And I'm just like, yo, you could take Sunday off. likere Like, a go ahead and take a day off. So like, yeah what do you want to say to people out there that are like, I don't know, that are just like, man, they're always attacking white people.
00:34:32
Speaker
What do you want to say to those white people and and everybody right now, more specifically, about relinquishing that privilege to further along human decency?
00:34:46
Speaker
Yeah. First, I think when we're talking about injustice and white supremacy, if you get defensive, there's some questions you need to ask yourself.
00:34:58
Speaker
That's number one. It kind of goes back to that thing of them not wanting to teach slavery in schools. Well, why can't white students align with white abolitionists? Why would they why do they have to feel bad about slavery? They can just say that's something that I never want to repeat.
00:35:14
Speaker
Right. Right? So if you if you get defensive, then you have some questions to ask yourself. But true change comes in uncomfortable spaces.
00:35:28
Speaker
True change, and this is an unfortunate fact, ah ah usually is born out of violent spaces. Right? you do have to put your body on the line to infect to affect change. And that's just the reality of of where we are as a country and as people, as human beings. That is what the masses require. They require that little bit of blood before they get invested, because otherwise it's just not real to them or it's something that they can ignore. But like an impending peril, right, of like, well, will will ICE come to my city next? And if I'm just trying to get home from work and they feel like I'm following them, will I get shot?
00:36:17
Speaker
You know, like that, that is, yeah, it's a possibility. Yes. and And you see that and now it's a reality. And guess what? Nobody is going to investigate your murder.
00:36:30
Speaker
But that that is how we affect change is by putting our bodies, our lives on the line. Because did everybody wants that, I don't even know if I'm using this euphemism right, but that pound of flesh, right? Like they need it before they really get invested. And that's just the reality. And as sad as saddest unfortunate, it should be that you can just speak up and say, hey, I'm...
00:36:59
Speaker
Feeling marginalized by this policy, can we revise it? Oh, sorry, we didn't even notice that we were marginalizing you. Let's go to but back to the drawing board. That's just not the way things are. So, yeah, it's dangerous.
00:37:12
Speaker
Welcome to, like, real America. The America that everybody's been telling you about that's dangerous. Welcome to that. for if you're here for the first time.
00:37:26
Speaker
it is It is dangerous to exist in the world without the protection of whiteness.
Essential Black Films Discussion
00:37:40
Speaker
Okay, Jay, let's lighten the mood. Mm-hmm. and do a, I don't know, a top 10 list. I do know what it is, a top 10 list, but I don't think it's going to be a competition. um But it might be. It there might be a heated conversation.
00:37:55
Speaker
Right. This top 10 list is the top 10 movies that, that are Black movies that everybody must see, right? That are not just exclusively just for Black people. But if Black people that are of a certain age, adults, have not seen these movies, we can strip away their Black card.
00:38:18
Speaker
And we mean old-ass adults. Like, you gotta be 35 and up. Like, honestly, you have to... No, could be 21. You could be 21 because you got some siblings, some... If they haven't seen it, it's been knock on those people in their family and around them.
00:38:37
Speaker
Because there's no reason why you should not have seen these top 10 movies. Now, we got 50 to choose from, and I put them in different categories. Good Lord. So we're going to pull out the best from each category and then make our top 10 list from that. So for our people who are not Black, these are great movies to watch to learn about the true Black experience.
00:39:03
Speaker
Yeah. Because these are Black movies done by Black people, not Black stuff done by non-Black people. Okay. Yes. All right. So let's start with the core classics. Okay.
00:39:15
Speaker
Right. hu Core classics. Malcolm X. Do the Right Thing. Boys in the Hood. Menace to Society. Cooley High.
00:39:26
Speaker
A Raisin in the Sun. the curly the The Curly. The Color Purple. Ease Bayou. Daughters of the Dust. And Hoop Dreams.
00:39:37
Speaker
Now, out of those movies, Mm-hmm. Which are are you automatically pulling? Well, this is definitely in the top 10. Menace to Society.
00:39:48
Speaker
And you might be a little surprised. Yes. You might be a little surprised. Not a little, very surprised. Why I would pick Menace to Society, especially because this Boys in the Hood is in there. Yeah.
00:40:00
Speaker
Here's why. I felt Menace to Society was more true to life than Boys in the Hood, in that you do not get a happy ending.
00:40:13
Speaker
oh Trey ends up going off to college. and I mean, we expected Doughboy not to make it. And Ricky stopped to pee while they was being chased by the... But he passed them to school. Okay, but it's still like...
00:40:32
Speaker
You kind of, there's certain things you kind of expected. at To me, it felt like the story of Cain. Yeah, Cain. Cain in Minister Society.
00:40:45
Speaker
The fact that, you know, first of all, the situation in which he grew up, right? Not raised by his parents. He was raised by his grandparents. They were overly strict and and very religious. And so as he got involved in anything illegal, they kicked him out with no thought of like where he would go. Right. Like that is that. But Trey went to his daddy house when he started acting up.
00:41:13
Speaker
Mm You know what I'm saying? Because he had a daddy to go to. Right, right, okay. The element that Kane was around, hip he he didn't even really...
00:41:24
Speaker
want better for himself. Like, he really wasn't even on that type of time. Like, Trey wanted to go to college, wanted to, you know, it really felt like Kane really wasn't even on that type of time. And that's the kind of apathy that I think you really do find of, like, this is my situation. This is where I'm in. Okay, okay.
00:41:50
Speaker
This is the, I'm not going to think outside of the scope of what I'm in. I just felt like Kane's story was much more realistic than Trey's. Okay. my The reason why I got this dumbfounded look on my face is because from those movies, you immediately went to Menace to Society.
00:42:11
Speaker
Before Malcolm X, before Do the Right Thing, before Before Cooley High and Cochise, before The Color Purple, before Eve's Bayou, you went to Menace to Society.
00:42:23
Speaker
And I feel like you missed the movie that gave you everything in Menace to Society,
00:42:32
Speaker
but better. And that's Hoop Dreams, which is a documentary. It's not sensationalized. It's a true story of two families that in the inner city of Chicago, trying to make their way out.
00:42:50
Speaker
Yeah, but again, I'm talking about... The the point is, we're supposed to pick films that represent the the Black experience, right? Yeah. And and part of that is...
00:43:02
Speaker
the apathy that comes with certain circumstances. about Like, you're you you want that growth story. And I'm telling you that it's usually not there.
00:43:16
Speaker
Like, you're in hoop dreams. It's somebody trying to get out. Yes. Cooley High, they're trying to get out. Like, that's not the type of time came with us. Like, you have to understand that there's... Society has destroyed the will to better your life.
00:43:32
Speaker
And that's also a real story that that is present in our community. All right. Okay. You picked that movie. You going to pick anyone else out of this bunch? Menace to Society, ladies and gentlemen. That's the movie my sister picked. It's a great movie. You got me talking bad about Menace to Society, and I think it's a great movie. Yeah. You got any other movie you want to pick out of there? Yeah.
00:43:56
Speaker
i'm I'm leaning towards Daughters of the Dust. I don't know if you've seen it. It's it's a a really great independent film. But i want to see what else is what else is on the list. You don't have to pick just one movie out of this bunch, because I'm picking Malcolm X, Do the Right Thing, and Hoop Dreams.
00:44:19
Speaker
and there ah But I got 10 films that people have to watch to understand the Black experience. all right Those are the core classics, ladies and gentlemen. Let's move down to modern essentials. So we got Moonlight, Get Out, 12 Years a Slave, Selma, Black Panther, Hidden Figures, Straight Outta Compton, Spider-Man Into the Spider-Verse, Love and Basketball, and Fruitville Station.
00:44:50
Speaker
automatically know where you're going with this. i feel like there's a theme in every and every movie that you're going to pick. Tell me which ones you think I'm going to pick. Fruitvale Station? No. Not on my list. All right.
00:45:04
Speaker
which Which one are you picking out of this bunch? Moonlight and Hidden Figures. m I think Moonlight is a great story of the...
00:45:20
Speaker
the complications of being Black and queer. Mm-hmm. yeah And I think hidden figures is important because you need to... I think a lot of people don't understand how seminal...
00:45:38
Speaker
Black people were an advancement of a lot of things in this country, including something you wouldn't think of like aerospace.
Historical Films and Black History
00:45:46
Speaker
that We were there crunching the numbers. We were there inventing math. Like, you need to know that we are an integral part of this country, not just because of Underground Railroad. Right. Yeah.
00:46:02
Speaker
Yeah. I agree with you. I would just add Selma. And there's a there's a theme with me as well, with Malcolm X and Selma, history.
00:46:14
Speaker
History of the struggle will tell you why we are still fighting. yeah So that's the only thing. I think Fruitvale Station has a is a lot of parallels with Minister Society.
00:46:31
Speaker
Yeah. And it's also a true story. Yes. So I'm probably going to not pick anything that's like true story or historically accurate because if you or like historical, you know, drama, because, you know, pick up a book. Like, honestly, you don't know about Selma. You don't know about Malcolm Yeah. Well, you got to understand, hold on, there are different type of learners, right? Like some people learn by reading, some people learn, are visual learners. So people can read certain things and not register and then see it.
00:47:09
Speaker
And it brink creates a whole new thing. George Floyd is a prime example. A lot of people read that article and was like, oh, that's sad. Then they saw and they was like, wait a minute. yeah So that's the reason why I'm like, well, I picked movies and not books. Also, because I've seen a lot more movies and I read books. So, yeah all right. Those are your picks.
00:47:26
Speaker
Let's move to comedy and romance because it ain't all just suffering and pain. Yes.
Diverse Black Culture in Film
00:47:31
Speaker
So in the comedy and romance, we got Coming to America, Friday, House Party, Love Jones, Waiting to Exhale, Barbershop, The Best Man, Coming to America, Brown Sugar, and Harlem Nights.
00:47:46
Speaker
Out of those movies, what would make the top 10 of movies that you need to see?
00:47:56
Speaker
Love, Jones. Okay. Yeah. Love Jones for sure because it was such a good representation of the complexity of Black love and just how beautiful that it it can be.
00:48:15
Speaker
it was just a really great, great movie. Got ah a glimpse into different kinds of Black relationships, a marriage, a a player, two people that...
00:48:27
Speaker
to say they're just kicking it but are falling in love and really trying not to. bad relationship with an ex. You love it. Like, you get glimpses into different kinds of relationships and just, yeah, just the the beauty of Black love. I would definitely put that on there.
00:48:48
Speaker
All right. I dig Love, Jones. But this is comedy and romance. And the first thing I'm going to say is coming to America. Not coming to America.
00:49:00
Speaker
The numeral two, so not the sequel. yeah Not the sequel, coming to America. That's a movie that everybody, Black, non-Black, needs to see. Now, does it tell you a lot about the Black experience? No.
00:49:15
Speaker
little bit. A little bit. No, it does a little bit. You see a lot of people in Queens. You see the Black Experience in Queens, the Black Awareness Rally and all that stuff. That's where I'm going to be shit. But that's what I would pick.
00:49:28
Speaker
And then brown sugar. I don't think brown sugar gets its just due. Because it's also talking about Black love. It's talking about Black love, romance, and and and aspiring.
00:49:41
Speaker
Like you said, in the analogy of a minister society, society's beating this person down where they don't want to see better for themselves. Mm-hmm. And Brown Sugar, it's the opposite.
00:49:52
Speaker
It is, I'm trying to get out. I have this passion. I know I can do this. I just need a chance. I just need a shot. And I'm going to do whatever got to do to get to that point. And so, um yes. And then Harlem Nights, right? I'm always going to choose a lot from comedy.
00:50:10
Speaker
Yeah. Because that's just what I like. All right. Even though... Let me think. So... When I just think of quintessential Black comedy that you just have to see because it gives you an insight. I don't know why. And this is probably you're probably like, why is this? Dang, what is that movie? Hold on.
00:50:38
Speaker
yeah You would need to know the movie first before you say it. I would. i would need to. i would. that's a That's incredibly important. Soul Men. I don't know why. that does not tell you about no Black experience. That's just pretty much being hilarious. It just is about... So the reason why I think Soul Men is honestly just that one scene in Samuel Jackson's apartment. Yeah, it's a great scene. you want to know...
00:51:07
Speaker
about comedic black interaction. Like if you want to, if you see us talking to each, these two people actually care about each other.
00:51:19
Speaker
Yeah. And so when you see us talk to each other like that, IRL, And you're just like, oh my God, they must be. No, no, no. You don't understand.
00:51:31
Speaker
We actually like each other. Love each other. Love each other. Work together for years. ah Want to work together again. But this is how we communicate.
00:51:41
Speaker
That gives you a good glimpse into how we communicate. I don't know why that popped in my head, but it just did. like I feel like barbershop does that as well. but bar Yeah. But in kind of but in ah in kind of a hoy way Oh, yeah.
00:51:58
Speaker
Yeah. You can say that. Yeah. that's I won't argue that. All right. yeah Next category. Biopics or movie driven? I guess Malcolm X could have been put in here, but no, Malcolm X is too important. I had to put it in the core. so Music driven.
00:52:12
Speaker
and Well, biopics and music driven. Oh, you said movie driven. i was Music driven. Yeah, my bad. You know, sometimes I mess up with players, mess up with words, too. Okay, we got Ray. messa What's Love Got to Do With It?
00:52:26
Speaker
Purple Rain, The Five Heartbeats, and Dreamgirls. What of those five movies are a must for people to go see?
00:52:37
Speaker
It's not on the list. Okay. What is it then? The Jackson's American Dream. Okay. So the Jackson's American Dream is, and I didn't put it on the list, because the five heartbeats is more important than the Jackson's American Dream.
00:52:54
Speaker
I don't think so. And I said i wasn't going to do anything that's like based on real life or like a biopic or something like that. That's what you said. So you're contradicting yourself. I am Sometimes you contradict yourself because in this instance,
00:53:13
Speaker
One, music-driven, I'm going to put the whiz on there. Like, you have to see that. No, you don't. Yes, you do. To see the breadth and width of, like, Black artistry. Dance, acting, singing, set design, choreography, all of the things, like...
00:53:32
Speaker
You got to see the Wiz. But Jackson's American Dream, like just if you want a story of the what it takes to be black and successful in this country, like the true sacrifices you have to make, you got to watch Jackson's American Dream.
00:53:53
Speaker
I still think Five Heartbeats is above Jackson's American Dream. I feel like, because that's my pick from this list. It's the Five Heartbeats. To me, they didn't sacrifice anything. What are you talking about? They were performing on Jim Crow South. you don't remember when they got pulled over by the cops?
00:54:09
Speaker
Yeah, they had a couple of- You don't remember when they had the album cover and it was all white people instead of them? Yeah, those were the common occurrences in the music industry for Black people at the time. Right, that's the reason why it's kind of important. No, no, it's something about the sacrifices those kids made to be superstars.
00:54:33
Speaker
that is, to me, a much more compelling story. Actually, both of them are in the top 10 list, ladies and gentlemen. to be real honest. Black folks have seen both movies, and we love both movies. All right. Yeah.
00:54:47
Speaker
Final, final thing, and then we got to hammer out this list because we're running short on time here. Crime, Social realism and blaxploitation movies. Okay. got New Jack City, Set It Off, Juice, City of God, The Beale Street, If Beale Street Could Talk, Shaft, Superfly, Foxy Brown, Coffee, Sweet Sweet Back Badass Song, Black sear black Caesar, Cleopatra Jones, Across 110th Street, The Mac, and Blackula.
Crime and Social Realism in Black Film
00:55:15
Speaker
Okay.
00:55:18
Speaker
Dolomite's not on here? All right. No, Dolomite is not on here because it's a horrible movie. Yeah, it's terrible. And that's what made... No, that... No. I don't want to recommend people to go watch that movie.
00:55:30
Speaker
Oh, goodness. The the my the like the mock blaxploitation that came out. But he was serious. It wasn't supposed to be a joke. No, it wasn't supposed to be a joke. But that's what made... Oh, God, what's the name of that movie? Yeah.
00:55:46
Speaker
Dolomite is his name? Black Dynamite. Black Dynamite. That's what made Black Dynamite such a good movie. Yeah, it was. All right. what you picking? New Jack City.
00:55:58
Speaker
Okay. Juice. Mm-hmm.
00:56:04
Speaker
I'm really torn between Superfly and the Mac, but I'm leaning towards the Mac.
00:56:11
Speaker
Okay. Yeah.
00:56:13
Speaker
Yeah. All right. I agree with all those. if Beale Street could talk. I like it.
00:56:23
Speaker
I mean, i honestly, all the movies that you named, I love because they're just a part of my life and my lexicon. But like, I'm going to say The Mac.
00:56:35
Speaker
Yeah. So I picked the Mac over Superfly h because it actually, there's a there's multiple meanings in it, and it's not solely just exploitation movie. They actually were trying to make a point, and they really weren't as super. I mean, they tried to, but it was just, it was the height of black exploitation. yeah The only thing that I would add in there is Set It Off.
00:56:58
Speaker
I think Set It Off is so very, very important. ah because it's showing women can be badasses too, just like in Hidden Figures, but on the other side. Yeah. Women can be badasses too. So those are some of the movies. Right now, your list is Menace to Society, Moonlight, Hidden Figures, Love Jones, a Jackson's American Dream, New Jack City, Juice, and the Mac. One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight.
00:57:24
Speaker
In your list, you could choose two more movies from from everything. What would it be? Um...
Top 10 Black Movies Selection
00:57:30
Speaker
I'm surprised you're not choosing Purple Rain. No, because at let's be so Prince.
00:57:38
Speaker
If anybody who knows me knows that I used to have a Prince poster on my door that our brother really didn't like because it was just his head and it was gigantic and it just stared right at him me and didn't like Our other brother, because I don't remember this poster.
00:57:54
Speaker
Yes. And ah Prince has been my idol since I was conscious of his music. So the 80s. But let's be honest. Prince is not good movie. It's not. He's not a good actor and it's not good movie. So from core classics, I know you have Do the Right Thing on here for sure, for sure. But I actually, if I were going to pick a Spike Lee joint, because I definitely think one needs to be on here, it would be Crooklyn. I knew you was going to say Crooklyn. I knew it. I specifically left it off because it's got no place being on the top ten list for movies that need to be seen. I knew you was going to say Crooklyn.
00:58:34
Speaker
Yeah, it would be Crooklyn. I would add Daughters of the Dust. Okay, so your top 10 would be Menace to Society, Moonlight, Hidden Figures, Love Jones, A Jackson's American Dream, New Jack City, Juice the Mac, Crooklyn, and Daughters of the Dust.
00:58:51
Speaker
Yes, I think if you watch those 10 films, it will give you a well-rounded, layered, textured, complex view of Blackness, Black love, Black joy, Black pain, the Black experience.
00:59:10
Speaker
In this country. That's what I think. All right. My top 10 list is Malcolm X, Hoop Dreams, Selma, Coming to America, House Party, The Best Man, Brown Sugar, The Five Heartbeats, New Jack City, Juice.
00:59:31
Speaker
That's it. That's 10. and the Mac. 1A and B. 1A and B. You got to watch the Mac. You got to watch the Mac. But that was our top 10. You got, i I don't think we cross-blended any the movies. don't think we chose any of the same films. So 10. You got Jay's top 10 and my top 10. So there's 20 movies.
00:59:51
Speaker
For my black people out there that haven't seen those movies, going strip your black card. If you haven't seen we're not those movies, I am. And you need to go see them. And for non-black people, go check those out. They're going to give you a little bit of a black black person's experience in America with a little bit of humor, love, a crime, fear, and anger. But Jay, on that note, what do want to tell the people out there?
Exploring Black Culture through Film
01:00:17
Speaker
Yeah, ah watch those movies. Like, watch the whole list. I wish we could publish it somewhere because... I will publish it on our social media accounts.
01:00:27
Speaker
That would be awesome because i feel like a lot of times, ah well, all the time, the media portrays us one way. But when you watch films written by us, directed by us, starring us in our own voices, you get a ah better idea of who we are.
01:00:46
Speaker
And we're beautiful. We are. Black is beautiful, if y'all didn't know. Black is beautiful. And on that note... Once again, our white allies, thank you.
Closing Remarks on Allyship and Engagement
01:01:01
Speaker
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Speaker
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