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Rose Plate Special: The Taylor Frankie Paul Situation
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Is this the last episode of Rose Plate Special ever? Tune in to find out!
We talk Taylor Fankie Paul, the Mormon wives, a little Bravo news, and compare the TFP situation with what Rachel Lindsey covers in her book, Miss Me With That.
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Cancellation Discussion
00:00:17
Sammi
hello i'm sammy and you're listening to or watching roast plate special the most dramatic canceled uh recap podcast of the bachelorette ever well no i'm just saying there's no season there's no season what's what are we to do what are we to do
00:00:17
Steve
Oh, hello. And I'm Steve.
00:00:31
Steve
canceled? What do we do? What did I do? Oh, that's true.
00:00:39
Steve
I just heard the most canceled podcast of The Bachelorette ever, and I was like, yeah, that...
00:00:43
Sammi
We're the most canceled podcast.
00:00:44
Steve
little
00:00:45
Sammi
Everybody wants to cancel us for our, because we have unproblematic views.
00:00:47
Steve
Yeah, specifically.
00:00:51
Sammi
It's because that's how bad the fandom
00:00:52
Steve
but Oh,
Culver's and Reality TV Enjoyment
00:00:54
Sammi
is.
00:00:54
Sammi
Oh, Culver's. I'm jelly. What'd you get from Culver's today?
00:00:56
Steve
yeah.
00:00:57
Steve
You were... ah go
00:00:59
Sammi
Culver's sponsor us.
00:01:01
Steve
Well, as a ah gluten-free boy, not by choice.
00:01:04
Sammi
Yeah.
00:01:05
Steve
God has cursed me. i you know I'm limited my fast food options. But but I can give food from Culver's because they offer a gluten-free bun. So I got a gluten-free cheeseburger, little Diet Coke, and some French fries.
00:01:14
Sammi
Wow.
00:01:20
Steve
it was beautiful.
00:01:21
Sammi
Way to go Culver's way to be gluten free accommodating.
00:01:23
Steve
you.
00:01:25
Steve
Yeah. Let me tell you something.
Accents and Working-Class Representation in 'Real Housewives of Rhode Island'
00:01:27
Steve
There is nothing better than putting your feet up after a long day of work, eating some crinkle cut French fries, sipping on an ice cold DC and watching the real housewives of Rhode Island, which I'm very into.
00:01:43
Sammi
Yeah, you were telling me you're watching it.
00:01:45
Steve
Oh yeah. it's ah
00:01:46
Sammi
How many episodes in is it at this point?
00:01:48
Steve
It's just one. It's just the first one.
00:01:50
Sammi
Oh, okay. I got to watch it.
00:01:50
Steve
and love everything.
00:01:52
Sammi
i've only saw I only saw a clip of like Ashley and Jared, and they were at like their coffee shop or restaurant or whatever, and and Ashley's just chilling on on like the customer side, and Jared is like working very hard.
00:02:01
Steve
Yeah. Nice.
00:02:07
Sammi
And what I read in the comments is that is actually accurate, that he like legitimately works there and he works very hard. And um sometimes when people come in and say their fans, he'll give them free coffee.
00:02:21
Sammi
Yeah.
00:02:21
Steve
ima I like the show because, one, I just love the way they talk. I love the accents. you know people People give Boston people crap, but this is like next level.
00:02:27
Sammi
It's quite exaggerated. Yeah.
00:02:32
Steve
there's the The letter R doesn't exist. It's just an H. It's a very hard H, A-H. ah There's one couple that has a daughter named Skylar.
00:02:44
Steve
At least that's what I thought. And they're like, Skyla! And then they show her name and it's spelled S-K-Y-L-A. They just cut the art completely out. Just Skyla.
00:02:53
Sammi
Yeah.
00:02:55
Steve
Love that.
00:02:55
Sammi
Well, to make it easier.
00:02:56
Steve
Yeah, why bother? It's like the letter doesn't exist. But yeah, it's great. It's interesting that there's people who are actually working on the show. And Housewives stans don't come for me. I mean working in the sense of like...
00:03:13
Steve
There's people with jobs where they have to be accountable to others and like have a boss probably, you know, one of the gals works as a, I don't know, like a medical esthetician salesperson.
00:03:28
Steve
So she sells Botox or whatever, but that's like a job where you have to have a boss and meet quotas, you know, obviously like real housewives have jobs or their partners have jobs, but they're rarely ones where you have to be accountable to anyone but yourself.
00:03:33
Sammi
Right.
Comparative Analysis of 'Real Housewives' Locales
00:03:42
Steve
You know, if someone from Real Housewives of Salt Lake City, if their tequila company goes tits up, it's no big deal. If you're Jen Shaw and you commit serious crimes exploiting grandmothers, yeah you go to jail for a little bit. That's fine.
00:03:57
Steve
But here it's like, no, you got like a 401k. You got health insurance. That's crazy.
00:04:01
Sammi
Yeah, those are like real grown-up jobs.
00:04:02
Steve
Yeah. Yeah, real grown-up job stuff. So, yeah. Shout-out to Rhode Island, the closest thing we have to working-class housewives. Also, it confirms that Rhode Island is, I don't know, maybe it's like three feet long by five feet wide. I'm not sure.
00:04:20
Steve
It's very small. But all these people are like, I've known him and his sister since kindergarten. It's like everything. It's amazing.
00:04:29
Sammi
I feel like New Jersey was very normal at the beginning. So this is like probably the most similar to New Jersey, I would guess.
00:04:36
Steve
Yeah, yeah, it feels like like New Jersey, but like less, I don't know. There's less like marble and leopard print and just general Americanized Italian-ness.
00:04:51
Steve
But there is one woman who's like, I'm from a big Italian family, I got nine aunts. She's great.
00:04:59
Sammi
Is there um Mackenzie Childs in the kitchens?
00:05:04
Steve
Wait, wait, what's that?
00:05:05
Sammi
Wait, do you know what Mackenzie Childs is?
00:05:07
Steve
No, well, actually I don't, but you cut out for a second. That's why I asked, but I also don't know who Mackenzie Childs is. So do tell.
00:05:12
Sammi
Oh, okay. So, well, I feel like, so by the way, I feel like I hear a lot of feedback, so I'm very sorry, audience. I feel like when we get to recording, I hear myself back with you. Oh, maybe something just fixed it. Anyway.
00:05:26
Steve
I turned on my a little bit.
00:05:27
Sammi
Um,
00:05:28
Steve
So if there's any noise bleed, it should be gone now.
00:05:30
Sammi
Oh, okay. Good. Thank you so much. ah So, okay. In Orange County, I know for sure, and I'm trying to remember what other housewives, but you'll see these like checkerboard teapots and things like that. That's Mackenzie Childs. And like, it was kind of like a scourge across like all the housewives. So I was just wondering if they also had Mackenzie Childs. It is now, i we don't have time to, well, we have time to do whatever we want, but there is like a whole Mackenzie child's rabbit hole.
00:05:58
Sammi
Um, because like the woman who initially created those, like ended up like buying and living on like a boat, like a job. And when I say boat, like it's like a giant ship, um, with her husband.
00:06:10
Sammi
And then they were like broke and stuff. And she was, she was actually like a very cool, funky artist. It kind of reminded me of a little bit like the Ray Dunn story where i was like, Ray Dunn was doing like really funky, interesting shit.
00:06:18
Steve
Oh.
00:06:21
Sammi
And then it became like mass produced garbage. Um, Mackenzie Childs is like similar to that where like um people always associate it with like tacky housewives bullshit.
00:06:31
Sammi
But like she actually like did cool things. Maybe she's more like Mary Englebright than, you know, than we think or whatever. But she just died, I think, like a couple of weeks ago or something like that.
00:06:42
Sammi
It's really sad. She was like a really creative person anyway. not to But OK, well, I'll I'll be watching it soon.
00:06:48
Steve
Now, you should.
00:06:49
Sammi
So I'll let you know.
00:06:51
Steve
And i want to say, a lot of people are going like, hey, we we tuned in for Bachelor. Why are you talking about the Real Housewives of Rhode Island? And a dear listener or dear viewer, let me tell you, don't be silly because...
00:07:06
Steve
ah Ashley from Bachelor in Paradise from like seven years ago or something. She's on the show. And I think she won like Bachelor Winter Games with ah Kevin Wendt in 2017 or something.
00:07:22
Sammi
mm-hmm Canadian Kevin
00:07:25
Steve
And then she whoever her husband is now when she's on Bachelor in Paradise.
00:07:30
Sammi
Jared yeah the man she bit love her
00:07:30
Steve
Jared. Jared, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And now they have 27 kids. Yeah. Yeah.
00:07:39
Steve
But no, her introduction is great. it just shows her inside of her house and all of her kids are like pooping their pants at the same time.
00:07:48
Sammi
Wow. Wow.
00:07:48
Steve
Awesome.
00:07:49
Sammi
um Yeah, I will be watching it for sure. I've actually been trying to. So so here's the deal,
Unexpected Changes in Podcast Focus
00:07:55
Sammi
friends. We we were thought we were going to be doing a whole season on Taylor, Frankie, Paul. ah But the world had other plans for us.
00:08:02
Sammi
So and we'll talk about it a little bit.
00:08:04
Steve
me.
00:08:04
Sammi
And I want to relate some of what's happening to um I did read Rachel Lindsay's book, her nonfiction book. Miss me with that. And I want to she covers a lot in that book.
00:08:17
Sammi
So I'm not to talk about it all, but I'll talk about some of it because I do think some of it is relevant to what is happening now. So I've been trying to catch up on the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives because i was a Hulu holdout for a while.
00:08:29
Sammi
I will be honest. I said yes to a $3 a month for six months deal. After that, I don't know if to stay.
00:08:34
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:08:36
Sammi
Okay. But $3 a month for six months, pretty good.
00:08:37
Steve
and mean at that point
00:08:39
Sammi
pretty cheap. So, um, yeah, so I've been catching up on Mormon wives. I have not finished season four yet. Like I hadn't even watched season three. So I just watched all of season three.
00:08:50
Sammi
um and then I'm almost caught up on season four, but of course I'm on Tik TOK. So I know what's going on and then, oh my God, it's like seriously. Okay. My biggest takeaway, but we'll talk about, we can get in more in the weeds is that
00:09:03
Steve
Is mom talking to survivors?
Exploring 'Secret Lives of Mormon Wives'
00:09:05
Sammi
I don't, well, i don't know if dad talk is going to survive, going be honest with you. But um I think, you know, i really, there are certain people I really, okay, first of all, actually, you know what, let's just get into it.
00:09:09
Steve
God. If was that.
00:09:16
Sammi
Let's talk about Mormon wives because ah because that'll lead us into the Taylor Frankie Paul of it all. I just want to be so clear with all of you. I'm pointing at you now, everyone in the audience.
00:09:27
Sammi
If you're watching this, if you're listening, I'm pointing with my voice.
00:09:28
Steve
Me too.
00:09:32
Sammi
I said, what did I say about Whitney from season one? Everyone should listen to me when I talk because from season one, I said, Whitney is the most fun TV. She's like, and I said, I'm not saying I'd be friends with her, but I do think she's the best one on the show.
00:09:49
Sammi
And I think people are going to change their mind about her. And look at this, how the tides have turned.
00:09:54
Steve
she was on the thy way show did you see that yeah yeah yeah not Chicago the uh what's the um the her name is Zyway right the uh the the lady who interviews people I I've never actually watched Zyway Zyway
00:09:58
Sammi
Yes, she's in Chicago. Well, she's, you know, that's Roxy Hart is the stunt cast.
00:10:10
Sammi
Oh, Z-Way. I thought you said she was on Broadway. Sorry.
00:10:14
Steve
and an No, no, no, no, no.
00:10:15
Sammi
I heard Broadway.
00:10:15
Steve
Z-Way. sorry said the name wrong. A bunch of people are going to yell at me now. i don't I don't watch that show.
00:10:19
Sammi
Z-Way.
00:10:21
Steve
I'm the stooge. She's the smart one. Remember that.
00:10:23
Sammi
you're You're cutting out a lot. Sorry. She was on Z-Way. Yes.
00:10:27
Steve
Z-Way. Okay. Sorry. I was just apologizing for getting everything wrong. The point is, I don't watch the show, but those clips pop up every once in a while. And I love watching Whitney get grilled because sometimes I feel like when I see those clips...
00:10:42
Steve
like these people don't know what they're getting into. And I'm like, I don't even watch this show. And I know what you're getting into.
00:10:49
Sammi
Yeah.
00:10:49
Steve
choing If somebody you saw was like, you know, getting harassed for the color of their skin, would you use your privilege to help them? And she's like, uh.
00:11:00
Steve
Yeah.
00:11:01
Sammi
Yeah. She, I mean, some people were like, I was disappointed with her answers. I'm like, Listen, they are all white women Mormons and a lot of them are actively deconstructing right now, which is another thing I said was going to happen. I said, they're going to get some more fame and they're going to start deconstructing. And they are, a lot of them are actively doing that right now, or at least starting to entertain it, including Jen, which I'm so happy about because I can't wait to see her fully deconstruct. I really hope that that happens. But anyway, um,
00:11:32
Sammi
there's a lot of There's a lot of catching up to do but I will say when it comes to... i mean, Miranda, Chase, and Layla are like the most progressive on the show.
00:11:44
Sammi
they're I mean, they've always been, and they're very open about it. And and i and Chase, i it makes he really makes it hard to like him, and he's pissing me off because I just want to like him, and i he's a complicated fella, but...
00:11:57
Steve
I don't, It's weird because my experience, my takeaway from the show is I enjoy all the women despite their flaws and in many cases because of their flaws.
00:12:10
Sammi
Yeah.
00:12:10
Steve
And I despise all the men for the same reasons.
00:12:13
Sammi
Yeah, 100% agree.
00:12:14
Steve
and
00:12:15
Sammi
I pretty much like every woman on the show, even though I know like I would not personally get along with some of them. um And I don't like Demi, and I haven't ever. I mean, I just think she's...
00:12:29
Sammi
way too two-faced but i will say like i i knew that whitney was gonna have a comeback in a big way and yeah what i was saying is she's in chicago um she's doing roxy heart which is like the stunt cast that's what ariana got right that's what erica got that's what you know that's what they all get so um but she's killing it like and she won dancing didn't she win dancing with the stars
00:12:46
Steve
one
00:12:51
Steve
early the job yeah I think she came in second?
00:12:56
Sammi
She came in second?
00:12:57
Steve
Yeah, she's she's
00:12:57
Sammi
Sorry.
Whitney and Connor's Journey and Relationship Dynamics
00:12:58
Steve
a very good dancer.
00:12:58
Sammi
Sorry to the first person.
00:12:58
Steve
i think she' i don't I don't know if she's classically trained, but she was a good dancer.
00:13:02
Sammi
Yeah, she said that, didn't she, in the interview? Like, when they did... I want to say in season three, when they did the interview with Dancing with the Stars, she said that she was, like, a trained dancer. So, like, she's got a background in this.
00:13:11
Steve
Yeah.
00:13:13
Sammi
um You know? So... But anyway, yeah, like, I... I don't think she's going to get to be exactly like where you want her to be. She's not going to be saying exactly the kinds of things that Miranda says on Tik TOK, you know, like and tomorrow, but I will say, I feel like she and Connor are definitely like the best couple on the show.
00:13:35
Sammi
And I didn't, I didn't necessarily expect that. I expected her to do well. I didn't expect her and Connor to both do well from season one. you know, coming from like a cheating scandal and all of that.
00:13:44
Steve
Yeah.
00:13:47
Sammi
But I, and I, and like I said, I haven't watched the whole four season, but I know that this happens. I love that Connor is like, I get to stay home and like do magic and TikToks while my wife goes and like has a career and makes money.
00:14:01
Sammi
This is the best job ever.
00:14:02
Steve
yeah
00:14:03
Sammi
Like he's just like, I, this is, this is a dream come true. He's thrilled. And Zach, not so thrilled. not so thrilled about having to stay home while Jen is the breadwinner.
00:14:18
Sammi
And that's why I like desperately, I think Whitney will get there they'll Whitney and Connor are already like on their way to like you know deconstructing and kind of like um getting out of the Mormon church, I would say. um But I think it's complicated because I do think their family is like very involved. so But I feel like they're they're opening up yeah they're opening up in a way that like you know not everyone else on the show is.
00:14:45
Steve
Sure.
00:14:46
Sammi
Jen, i feel like...
00:14:46
Steve
You don't growing pains with that, and it's got to be hard when you have to do that in public. But also, you should be media savvy enough to position yourself in better ways, too.
00:14:50
Sammi
Yeah.
00:14:56
Steve
like don't Don't stick your head out too far until you're ready to actually...
00:14:59
Sammi
Yeah, don't get don't go on a show that used to be called Baited but before Z-Way had her self-titled show.
00:15:04
Steve
the whole thing. The other question, she's like, so you and your husband almost split up because he was addicted to porn.
00:15:07
Sammi
Yeah.
00:15:13
Steve
What kind of porn does he watch? And she's just like, I don't want to know.
00:15:15
Sammi
Yeah.
00:15:18
Steve
but like, visibly scared by what's going on.
00:15:18
Sammi
Yeah.
00:15:22
Sammi
Yeah, that's that was a bridge too far for sure.
00:15:22
Steve
a
00:15:25
Sammi
You have to like be pretty comfortable and roll with the punches or just be Caroline Calloway, I guess, and not care like do OK on the show. Caroline Calloway did not do that well on the show, but she was, you know, she's her own person.
00:15:39
Sammi
She did fine.
00:15:39
Steve
Oh, she exists in a totally different universe.
00:15:41
Sammi
yeah she doesn't she doesn't live on the same plane as the rest of us um but yeah you know it's like it's like so it's like you gotta measure you gotta like temper your expectations and i think with jen the thing that's hard for me to watch is like zach is such a trash human and i don't think she's and she's like toy she's toying with the idea of not dealing with it you know and perhaps the more she has opportunities outside of being at home, she will separate.
00:15:42
Steve
She'll do whatever she wants. She'll be literally in her life.
00:16:05
Steve
know.
00:16:15
Sammi
I don't know. We'll see, but I don't think she'll ever get there with him as her husband.
00:16:23
Steve
No.
00:16:23
Sammi
That's, that's my thought. Um,
00:16:25
Steve
No. Mm-hmm.
00:16:26
Sammi
Yeah, i I know a lot of people say Miranda's boring, but like it's just because she's normal. She's like the most normal person on the show. And so, yeah, she's not good TV because she just seems like the only person that I would definitely hang out with.
00:16:41
Steve
Yeah, well, and that's why people, it's so funny because people are, yeah, they they're like, oh we don't like her because she's not weird. But then if if you were to put her on any other show, like for instance, she's one of the rumored people to replace ah Taylor Frankie Paul on The Bachelor.
00:16:57
Steve
And, you know, she'd probably be fine at it because there sure have been a lot of normal blonde ladies on that show.
00:17:02
Sammi
think she would I think she would be fine. She would she would carry herself well and she wouldn't
00:17:06
Steve
you know? Yeah, yeah. Just like comparatively to the the Mormon
Reality TV Relationships and Viewer Perceptions
00:17:12
Steve
wives. it's like It's like if I just like walked onto the set of the Muppets or something and they're like, oh, you're not Dr. Teeth or Fozzie Bear.
00:17:19
Steve
you're You're boring. It's like, well, yeah, because look what I'm surrounding. the great Gonzo just got shot off a cannon. What do you want from me?
00:17:26
Sammi
Yeah, unless you're like Michael Caine or Tim Curry, you just don't stand a chance. um So um yeah, I just I think with yeah, like the whole Miranda thing.
00:17:39
Sammi
Well, so then there was this whole rumor that like Chase and Jesse are like hooking up or whatever.
00:17:42
Steve
Oh yeah.
00:17:47
Steve
yeah
00:17:48
Sammi
so it was like There's a lot. There's a lot of there's just a lot of drama going on around in the reality TV universes. And it's impacting everybody, which is really interesting because we've got like so I'm so happy that Jesse is divorcing Jordan because that man is such a weenie and a loser.
00:18:08
Sammi
Oh, my God.
00:18:09
Steve
we need a loser It's again, like every single relationship on this thing, you just pinball back and forth and you're like, what is wrong with everyone on this? It's like.
00:18:19
Sammi
No, but yeah, I mean, so it's interesting that like the, the couple that had the cheating scandal is like the couple I'm rooting for the most.
00:18:19
Steve
yeah
00:18:26
Sammi
Cause that canonically would not be a thing that I would do, but I'm like, you know what? You both seem really good right now and like really happy and like pretty chill. So good for you.
00:18:36
Steve
Yeah.
00:18:37
Sammi
Enjoy your magic tricks and you know, do you whatever. um
00:18:42
Steve
just ah season to season it always changes but you just have to choose the most or least stable person or couple and just kind of ride it out that's how it goes
00:18:52
Sammi
Yeah. I mean, it's interesting because some of the couples that were kind of like quieter, like I always forget Macy's husband's name because literally he like didn't talk at all. But then once this whole dad talk thing started, she's like, now he's starting to get an attitude and I don't really like it.
00:19:07
Steve
yeah
00:19:09
Sammi
I don't really like the influence of these other men, but all the comments, like if you go on Connor's TikTok, all the comments say like, when we're talking about dad talk, we're not talking about you, Connor. We hate dad talk, but we love you.
00:19:19
Sammi
Like everybody is like, you know, it's like everybody went from being like, ugh, your TikToks are so cringe. You're both like so like embarrassing. You think you're funny.
00:19:30
Sammi
They're literally doing the same to TikToks they've always done. And now people are like, you're hilarious and you're so charming and so funny. But I told you back then, I was like, I thought i think their TikToks are actually pretty funny. Like, I always thought they were funny.
00:19:42
Sammi
I was like, people just don't like them because they're viewing them through the lens of the show and Whitney being a villain.
00:19:46
Steve
My favorite TikToks are ah the ones that Dakota makes, or no, not that Dakota makes, the ones that people make about Dakota where they're just screenshotting when he slides into their DMs.
00:19:58
Sammi
Oh, I haven't seen those, but I have seen a bunch of Wuthering Heights ah Taylor, Frankie, Paul, and Dakota edits.
00:20:06
Steve
Oh, I mean, that works.
00:20:08
Sammi
really deep cuts yeah they're really good um just like just like stay toxic baby you know a lot of that kind of stuff um yeah so like yeah is there any other couple stuff we should talk about before we launch into this i'm just trying to think but yeah oh so the drama before we get into that so jesse there was like this rumor and i think it happened because miranda did post like flowers that jesse gave her whatever that Jesse was like hooking up with Chase.
00:20:08
Steve
That's...
00:20:11
Steve
Haunt him? ha him
00:20:39
Sammi
And then like Chase posted a TikTok. See, this is why I like him. And I don't, I want to like him, but sometimes he makes it difficult. But he posted a video and he was like, you know, my entire feed has been, and I can't remember when to he was like this thing and this thing.
00:20:46
Steve
Thank you.
00:20:54
Sammi
It's been my whole feed. And people were like, really Chase? Nothing else? Nothing else has been in your feed? He's like, not that I can remember. I just can't think of anything else that would have been in my feed.
00:21:05
Sammi
And they're all like, really not you dating. And he's like, what do you, what are you talking about? And I think that's very funny. Um, but people are like, you must be so relieved because the summer house stuff happened and it just pushed all the chase and Jesse stuff and the Taylor Frankie Paul stuff, like off the map.
00:21:25
Sammi
Like it's my whole feed has been summer house, this summer house, that team Sierra, obviously. i don't know if I even need to say that,
00:21:30
Steve
I mean, that's the only voice. You can't be on anyone else's team. But again, it's like, it's the funniest thing ever, you know? And I, and every time one of these scandals pop up, I just feel like an old guy sitting at a bar, like puffing a cigarette, like, Oh, is this your first one?
00:21:46
Steve
You know?
Drama and Controversies in Reality TV
00:21:47
Steve
It's like,
00:21:48
Sammi
First, getting not my first time. Yeah.
00:21:50
Steve
I'm sorry. So you've got you've got Amanda over here and you've got Kyle over here. um They get together and Amanda clearly wants to have like a stable, normal relationship. And Kyle wants to continue to be a party boy well into his mid forty s and then they split, which makes sense. And they while they're splitting, Amanda's definitely mean to him, but he kind of deserves to get some meanness. So you have these two people who absolutely are butting heads that are absolutely terrible for each other,
00:22:23
Steve
And you're just like, shit, what the fuck? And then, of course, but Amanda's able to come out of it unscathed, and she's about to get the the Ariana treatment from Vanderpump, wherein you are you are elevated. You get to go be on Broadway or do Dancing with the Stars or do whatever the hell you want. Be on Traitors. I don't know.
00:22:42
Steve
And she fumbles it because she has to date... the guy who is just a slightly younger version of the husband that she just got rid of.
00:22:56
Sammi
seriously.
00:22:57
Steve
And he happens to be like friends with your friend group and the, the ex of someone that you considered a great friend. So the whole thing is terrible. Like how do you fumble that badly? And the answer is because everyone's an asshole, not Sarah. She's cool.
00:23:12
Sammi
Yeah, Sierra, listen, I've always liked Sierra. I'm really happy. I mean, it sucks that this is why she's getting more love because people are always harsh to her and we can speak to the, you know, double standards, the racist double standards between that and Bachelor Nation, which we'll get to you in a minute.
00:23:22
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:23:30
Sammi
um But yeah, I definitely think that, you know, it's been a long time coming. Sierra has always been like a very consistent person too. She's just like...
00:23:42
Sammi
been herself and been fine in Summer House since the beginning. And people are unnecessarily critical of her. And all she wanted was like a good relationship. And Wes just like treats her like shit. He was someone I also wanted to like because you know he says a lot of really good stuff online. But this is like honestly so gross to me.
00:24:07
Sammi
Like, it's just like, why did you have to do that? Like with like, you could have dated anybody else. Like, why did it have to be like, and for Amanda, it's like, this is like one of your best friends.
00:24:15
Steve
Because they're all just like...
00:24:17
Sammi
Like you do not treat another woman like this. It's fucked up.
00:24:20
Steve
Yeah.
00:24:21
Sammi
It's really fucked up.
00:24:21
Steve
They're just all goofballs. This is like... Just emotionally immature goofballs doing goofball stuff. That's why they're on reality TV. like this we Every time some of one of these things happen to people are like, i just can't I'm so disappointed. I can't believe it. i'm like, this is exactly what we've paid for.
00:24:37
Steve
You know?
00:24:37
Sammi
Yeah.
00:24:38
Steve
Oh, Tom Sandoval has cheated at Ariana. I'm sorry. Let me hit rewind back to 10 years ago at the Golden Nugget in Vegas. What's the line where yeah be our the
00:24:50
Sammi
Wait, yeah. It's like you made out at the Golden Nugget.
00:24:53
Steve
a golden nugget? That's disgusting.
00:24:56
Sammi
yeah And he's like, what are you talking about?
00:24:56
Steve
It's so good. Or
00:24:57
Sammi
I love that place.
00:25:00
Steve
it's so good
00:25:00
Sammi
and what are you talking about? I love that place.
00:25:03
Steve
and And it's like, it you you just forget this stuff. Or if you, look again, going back to Vanderpump, you look at Jax Taylor. Jax Taylor, not only does he not oscillate, because these people oscillate. We talk about Mormon wives. It's like every season is an up and down of who I'm hating and who I'm enjoying.
00:25:19
Steve
Jax Taylor is constantly at scumbag level. Just peak. and he's He's cranked the scum dial to 11 and he's just riding that wave the whole time.
00:25:30
Steve
Never even dipping for a second. Yeah. It's amazing.
00:25:32
Sammi
the one time The one time things were a little good was when he got that cooler that you could like scoot around on.
00:25:33
Steve
Oh,
00:25:41
Steve
ah yeah, that was that was fun. Yeah.
00:25:43
Sammi
That was really good. But then didn't James write it?
00:25:44
Steve
I also like
00:25:45
Sammi
And that was funnier. So, you know, anyway.
00:25:47
Steve
yeah Yeah. Like, like I think the, the one little moment for Jax was when Scandavall happened, everybody forgot that Jax Taylor was Jax Taylor for two seconds, even though over the course of Vanderpump's entire run, he had a Scandavall basically every single, it's like, yeah I'm Brittany today.
00:26:03
Sammi
Yeah.
00:26:05
Steve
But just for like one minute, he just like walks in and he's just like, Oh wow, man, everybody hates you now. That's that sucks, but ah it's pretty good for me.
00:26:16
Sammi
Well, and he kept being like, well, you know, I never lied about being an asshole.
00:26:18
Steve
It's like,
00:26:21
Sammi
I've just been, you know, like everybody.
00:26:23
Steve
like for he lied all of the time.
00:26:24
Sammi
He's like, everybody's terrible. And I'm like, I don't know. You like had sex with somebody with like, like a really old person in the room that she was supposed to be caring for and stuff.
00:26:35
Sammi
That was weird.
00:26:36
Steve
It's weird one.
00:26:36
Sammi
And you were cheating. Yeah.
00:26:38
Steve
Yeah, and that's the thing too. He's like, I never lied about Everybody knows I'm an asshole. It's like, no, everybody knows you're an asshole because you're bad at lying about it.
00:26:45
Sammi
Yeah, people just find out.
00:26:48
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:26:48
Sammi
It's so weird. Yeah, he...
00:26:49
Steve
But again, like anytime this happens, whether it's Mormon Wives, whether it's The Bachelorette, it's anything, it's like, this is ultimately what we're paying for. this is this is This is the commodity.
00:26:56
Sammi
Mm-hmm.
00:26:58
Steve
is There are no mistakes here. These people have been chosen for these shows for a reason. And the reason is, is you're going to get filmed every single moment of your life for a certain duration of time and then a narrative will be constructed and you've been chosen because you know there's a high probability you're going to do something you shouldn't do and then you do it and it's on camera and that's what happens
00:27:20
Sammi
Yeah.
00:27:23
Sammi
Yeah. So let's get to the Taylor Frankie Paul of it all, because that's why we're all here today.
00:27:28
Steve
TFP what's going on release the TFP season this is this my version of the day the clown cried do you know about that movie
00:27:29
Sammi
um
00:27:33
Sammi
i know.
00:27:38
Sammi
Yes, of course I know about that movie. I also have a media studies master's degree.
00:27:41
Steve
ah This is what like 90 years from now to be like, release it from the vault.
00:27:49
Sammi
But yeah, like it's, you know, yeah. the Listen, I saw a lot of really good takes on TikTok. i agree that we don't know the whole story.
00:28:03
Sammi
And I think it's really weird timing that the recording from 2023 came out like the week she was supposed to, the Bachelorette was supposed to premiere. I don't think that was a coincidence.
00:28:12
Steve
Oh.
00:28:14
Sammi
And I think Dakota did it.
00:28:16
Steve
Yeah, I mean, you the the man who spends every waking hour trying to sabotage her life because they're a mutually destructive relationship, it's, yeah, of course it was him right?
00:28:20
Sammi
Yes.
00:28:25
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
00:28:26
Sammi
Yeah. Well, and it's like, it's, it's so telling watching the season now, like after all this came out now that I'm re you know, like I'm watching it late and people are, you know, it's like, Oh, before she went to go do press for the season, he like dropped this bombshell that he was like cheating on her with like one of her family friends. It was like one of her mom's friends.
00:28:49
Steve
Ew.
00:28:50
Sammi
Seriously. And but then the problem with Taylor is she'll call and be like, did you like it? And like, was it good? Did you finish? And all this stuff. And it was like one of the most uncomfortable things I've ever watched in my life. Like, I was just like, I don't I should not be here.
00:29:07
Sammi
I should not be here for this conversation. I should be gone. And then she's like, yeah, that kind of like, you know, gets me excited. And I'm like, OK, so you are also toxic. Like, this is bad. But I do think that.
00:29:20
Sammi
he is extremely manipulative um i think she needs to be single for a long time and i think but it's weird because she does have moments of clarity where it's like i'm so done with him and like this is the kind of person i actually need because it sounds like her ex-husband was actually like a pretty decent guy as far as i can tell she doesn't say anything really bad about him or anything like that seems like they co-parent pretty um amicably But she says, you know, it sounds like they just weren't.
00:29:22
Steve
Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm.
00:29:50
Sammi
I mean, with this whole swinging thing, it ruined their relationship and they just weren't compatible. It sounds like because she says, like, you know, he's really introverted. He's kind of a homebody, you know.
00:30:00
Steve
Then
00:30:00
Sammi
And then I went completely the opposite direction to this, like, you know, life of the party, extremely outgoing, you know, person. And she's like, I feel like I need some someone in between.
00:30:11
Sammi
um Now, there are rumors, since we're never going to see the season, I'm just going to say that there are rumors that she is with somebody that she got together with on her season of The Bachelorette.
00:30:24
Steve
Okay. Because the only thing I heard was like whoever finished the season with her as the winner, like three months later, she and him broke up because Dakota.
00:30:25
Sammi
Can...
00:30:35
Steve
So...
00:30:36
Sammi
Yeah, I heard that too, but there was a video where it looked like this person's arm pulling her out of frame, and it wasn't that long ago.
00:30:36
Steve
Oh,
00:30:44
Steve
ah oh yeah. Okay.
00:30:47
Sammi
So it was like a couple weeks ago or something like that.
00:30:47
Steve
Okay.
00:30:50
Sammi
So... Hard to say she could have recorded it at any time. She is like the queen of Mr. X on TikTok. I mean, that's like how she got famous on TikTok was like lying about being 50 years old and talking about having like a ghost in her house and shit like that.
00:31:08
Sammi
And that like she and her husband were like maybe related, right? Like she did a bunch of random shit like that to like get it famous on TikTok.
00:31:15
Steve
Engagement farming, yeah, yeah.
00:31:16
Sammi
She like loves rage bait. Yeah. So it's like, it's hard to say she's very good at, she's manipulative, but not in a way that like, I don't know, not in a way that feels icky. You know that she's doing it for like rage bait.
00:31:26
Steve
That's fun. on
00:31:28
Sammi
Yeah. She, she's not manipulated, and manipulative in a way that's like destructive, like Dakota, like, you know, she's doing it for like shits and giggles or whatever. i don't really like that kind of, ah you know, method of of gaining engagement. But I don't think it's like the most malicious thing in the world. It's so messed up the things that he has done to her. And i like I said, I haven't even gotten all the way through the season, but i know that it was like right before she went on The Bachelorette, he was like messing with her again, like, you know, and like playing mind games and all this stuff. And like,
00:32:02
Sammi
I mean, i would say that's that to me seems like narcissism or narcissistic traits or whatever. I'm not here to diagnose anybody. But to me, that seems pretty textbook. And and I'm not saying that the things that she did in that recording were like, OK, or anything like that.
00:32:21
Sammi
But I do think it was weird because. that in the recording, you hear him say very clear things. To me, to me, it felt calculated. To me, it felt calculated where he's like, why would you do this in front of your children?
00:32:35
Sammi
Like, it just felt like I... There are certain words and phrases.
00:32:38
Steve
yeah i'm gonna wind her up and turn her off but ah also don't throw a kid and or don't don't throw a chair and hit your kid with it you know
00:32:40
Sammi
Yes.
00:32:44
Sammi
Yeah, but I'm like, I... To me, it seemed like she... come i don't know. It seemed like she completely...
00:32:50
Steve
don't throw your kid and hit chair either for the record don't
00:32:52
Sammi
Don't throw your kid in a chair. um No, that's not funny. But anyway, it is a little. um But like, I'm yeah, I'm not saying that like the things that happened were OK by any means. But I do.
00:33:06
Sammi
To me, it felt like, yeah, I'm going to wind her up and watch her go. um And I know that this is going to set her off and I'm going to start recording at an opportune time
00:33:10
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:33:17
Sammi
And so that to me felt really icky and weird. And there's plenty of and the stuff that happened. I mean, yeah, we didn't see the recording a couple years ago, but Taylor did admit to pretty much everything that happened in that recording on episode one, season one of the show.
00:33:39
Sammi
So, you know, it's not like it was, I mean, it was more than I thought, but also they talk on the show, they talked about how like she was so freaked out that she like peed her pants, you know, and stuff like that, that she was like panicking and scared and all of that, you know, and it's like that recording that got released didn't cover any of that side of the altercation either. So, and she talked about how like he provoked her as well. And you heard her say that, but that kind of got like, so anyway,
00:34:08
Sammi
there' there's bad shit happening all around. They should not be anywhere near each other. It is unfortunate that they are co-parenting. I think that's very scary and bad.
00:34:17
Steve
yeah yeah exactly like you've got this woman who's prone to just emotional violent outbursts and a guy who knows exactly what to do set that off
00:34:19
Sammi
Yeah.
00:34:27
Sammi
Yes. to to yeah To like provoke her.
00:34:29
Steve
it's like on Pee Wee's Playhouse when they when you say the secret word and then everyone goes, ah!
00:34:33
Sammi
Yeah. Yeah.
00:34:35
Steve
And Dakota knows the secret word to make Taylor go, ah! ah So, yeah.
00:34:38
Sammi
Yes, exactly. Yeah. So it's just not good. It's not a healthy dynamic and it is very risky. And and and here's the thing. Okay.
00:34:49
Sammi
I'm going to use this as because somebody made this parallel and I thought it was really good. um Did you watch Jury Duty? The show Jury Duty?
00:34:56
Steve
The Pauly Shore movie.
00:34:58
Sammi
no the the the um the Prime series with like James Marsden and stuff.
00:35:02
Steve
No.
00:35:04
Sammi
Do you know what I'm talking about?
00:35:04
Steve
i could not I'm familiar with its existence, but I have not watched a single frame of it. I will i will talk at length about the Pauly Shore film, though if you'd like me to.
00:35:11
Sammi
Okay. We can talk about... we'll Don't forget, we'll save it for the end. um
00:35:15
Steve
I can't talk.
00:35:16
Sammi
not
00:35:16
Steve
I haven't seen it since I was probably like 10 years.
00:35:17
Sammi
we'll do a We'll do a bonus at the end. No. So Jury Duty, for those of you who didn't watch it, um was like an Amazon Prime series that covered this... It was basically like this guy comes in, he thinks that he's about to serve on a jury or potentially serve on a jury. And they do tell him ahead of time, hey, we're doing we're filming a documentary series at the court at the courthouse. So there are going to be cameras, but you are a real juror. And he's like, OK, great. So he comes in does the whole process, whatever. What he doesn't realize is that, like, everyone else is an actor. It is
00:35:54
Sammi
all a set. It is all a stage. They've just done a new season called Company Retreat, where it's the same thing. They hired this guy to come in to be like an assistant to the CEO.
00:36:06
Sammi
And they're like, you're going to come in and do work for a couple days. And then we have this company retreat and we need you to like assist at the company retreat. This is the parallel I'm drawing.
00:36:16
Sammi
People talk about how like these two men who have been on these shows are like the kindest people you will ever see on TV. They are so generous, so empathetic, so thoughtful. They it's kind of it's like candid camera, but it doesn't make you want to like rip your hair out. um Or like punked, but like it's all the punks, punked pranks are good.
00:36:39
Sammi
Like they're all like, so there are all these like tests, like kind of moral tests and things like that.
00:36:39
Steve
Yeah. yeah
00:36:44
Sammi
Like we put you in front of like someone who's kind of weird and we've waited to see what you would do. But because the producers have done obviously excellent vetting, they, they, they want him
Positive Casting in Reality TV
00:36:58
Sammi
to succeed.
00:36:58
Sammi
They want the main character to succeed. And everybody is conspiring for him to succeed. So they put him in these situations that paint him in a great light and they know he's a good person.
00:37:05
Steve
me
00:37:09
Steve
Yeah.
00:37:11
Sammi
so he just does what comes naturally to him. Like both of these men in both of these seasons are like the nicest people you've ever met. Like, You know, they bring in someone who like, you're like, maybe he's like a serial killer, like kind of a weirdo, whatever.
00:37:26
Sammi
And like, and this, there's like this guy on the show and he starts, he like, listen, it's mild spoilers for the first season that came out four years ago. Sorry if you missed it or skip passes for a minute, but.
00:37:37
Sammi
there's like this this character who like he creates like chair pants and things like that like oh i sit down and it automatically becomes a chair but it's like very weird awkward shit and this guy goes okay i i we i sat him down they were like sequestered so they were all in a hotel together you know and he goes he goes um i had him watch a bug's life and you know because like this character you know he's he's misunderstood and he's got these inventions and people just don't get him.
00:37:55
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:38:06
Sammi
And like, but, but he ended up saving the colony and it was so great. And you're like, oh my God, this man thought like, oh, I see this person who is kind of like awkward and weird and I'm going to show him an inspirational movie while we're hanging out.
00:38:22
Sammi
Like this is all, he came up with it himself. There's no producer interference. He thinks this is a real documentary. You know, it's just like unbelievable. So, you know, I saw someone draw parallels there and say, if the producers, if there are producers who can do such a good job that you end up getting not one, but two excellent humans on jury duty and company retreat so much so that it's just like those shows are like a warm hug.
00:38:49
Sammi
You get such a nice fuzzy feeling watching them. I'm telling you, it's one of my favorite things. Um, Like they can do that level of due diligence for The Bachelor. And, you know, like Rachel talks about in her book, um there's a decent portion of her book dedicated to what happened when she was on the show and Lee got cast.
00:39:11
Sammi
You know, it's like she basically said, like,
00:39:12
Steve
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
00:39:16
Sammi
You don't have to look far to see the kind of person Lee was. It was all over his social media. He was a racist. It was very obvious. um
00:39:26
Steve
oh yeah
00:39:26
Sammi
Just like Garrett, you know, and she talks about how um with like Becca, you know, when she got with Garrett, like she didn't know because she was on the show. Yeah. She was insulated from it. She didn't see a social media feed or anything.
00:39:41
Sammi
And when the show ended and she found out all this stuff, she and Rachel actually had some like heart to hearts and things like that. And obviously they ended up splitting and that's for the better and whatever.
00:39:52
Sammi
um But, you know, it's like they didn't protect her from a person like that being on the show. And especially with Rachel, you know, she's like, that's dangerous. And then you have this man on the show and he's picking fights with one of my all time favorites, Kenny.
00:40:02
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
00:40:08
Sammi
Like, what the hell is wrong with you? So then Kenny had to deal with that bullshit. I want to say he also picked fights with Eric. It's like, you know, it's so weird, you know, and and she's like, why? The only reason they would have someone on the show like this is to create that level of controversy or they just didn't care enough. It's like best case scenario is they didn't care enough to do a background check. Worst case scenario, they did a background check. They knew and they cast him anyway.
00:40:34
Steve
Yeah, yeah. and And I think that everybody knows pretty much that this is intentional. And what I will say, with with The Bachelor, we've talked about how puritanical can be, how moralizing it can be, um the different rules that are established for what you can and can't do.
00:40:43
Sammi
It has to be.
00:40:54
Steve
And they all level back up to just like purity tests, chastity and things like that.
00:40:57
Sammi
hmm.
00:41:00
Steve
And so you you have all this stuff around there and, and then you get to the end and it's supposed to be happily ever after and married forever. Right? Like that's the idea, but that's not the idea.
00:41:11
Steve
Like maybe that, that was like the initial nucleus of, of what they thought the show was going to be, but they've kept all the puritanical bullshit, but happily ever after is boring because nothing happens.
00:41:23
Steve
It's just not exciting.
00:41:23
Sammi
Right. Right.
00:41:25
Steve
You what is exciting? When you pair a left-leaning woman or a black woman with a racist, and then they, oh, you're making out with a racist?
00:41:32
Sammi
right
00:41:35
Steve
That's weird. Like, that's the kind of drama that we look for. And then there's people like us who are talking about it. And then and then it just keeps the discourse going in between seasons.
00:41:45
Steve
It's all intentional. And so when you talk about Taylor's season getting canceled, it is so strange to me because you've got these two people that are an absolute powder keg.
00:41:58
Steve
Regardless of that video, like literally watch the show. How does season one, episode one of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives begin? It begins with the police being called, Taylor, Frankie, Paul crying, them throwing shit at each other, and Taylor getting arrested for domestic battery.
00:42:11
Sammi
Right.
00:42:18
Steve
Like this this happens.
00:42:20
Sammi
Mm-hmm.
00:42:20
Steve
You know exactly who you have cast.
00:42:24
Sammi
Yep.
00:42:24
Steve
Everybody knew that these tapes were out there because Dakota said multiple times, again, I don't pay that much attention to this shit. Okay. And I know this. It's not my job to research things, says the man doing a bachelor podcast, but not my job.
00:42:34
Sammi
Mm-hmm.
00:42:40
Sammi
Do your own research.
00:42:42
Steve
what I'm saying is like, I don't, I don't dig into all this stuff the way like some people on Reddit do or whatever. But you don't have to look for Dakota's talked about these videos. He said they existed. He's just like, oh yeah, I could drop any one of these at any time.
00:42:54
Steve
We know about the fights. We know about the arrests. We know about everything. The main villain here that we're all skipping is you know Taylor Frankie Paul and Dakota, our little henchmen, and there is a supervillain above them, and that is ABC, the production company that does The Bachelor. They know what they're doing.
00:43:11
Steve
And this is why it gets weird, because you know that you're dealing with a powder keg, And I don't know if they wanted her to just like blow up on the show or what they were hoping for, but to pull it completely seems very strange to me.
00:43:27
Sammi
yeah.
00:43:28
Steve
Massive waste of resources and money at a time when the series is floundering. And they are actively trying to bring in a younger crowd, sort of reinvigorate folks. Why is Taylor on this season in the first place? It's because Mormon wives are more famous than bachelorette people now.
00:43:49
Sammi
yeah
00:43:49
Steve
it's just what it is And to spike it because Taylor did the thing a few years ago in a video that we knew she already did multiple times is very strange to me.
00:44:01
Steve
So I don't know. And at this point, it's not like they're sitting on it and it's just going to go boop and pop up at some point, because from what I understand, they they only like edited the first like three, four episodes like they don't edit that far in advance.
00:44:14
Sammi
Right.
00:44:15
Steve
And so they're not even sitting on a whole season. They just kind of stopped. And that's, I don't know that's a bunch of jobs. That's all kinds of things. And it's so weird.
00:44:26
Steve
Like, why, if you're ABC, is this a tax write-off? just, eat shit? How is this working? I don't know.
00:44:33
Sammi
Yeah, it's really weird. The whole thing is weird. I mean, gosh Yeah, you said a lot of things and it made me think a lot of things. um I was just like, ah.
00:44:42
Steve
Right ah
00:44:45
Sammi
But yeah, I mean, I think what's really interesting is like, yeah, we and and maybe maybe from here we should cover like a season of Unreal because it just feels like the right. I
Role of Producers and Genuine Friendships in Reality TV
00:44:55
Sammi
don't know.
00:44:55
Sammi
To me, I've been talking about doing that for a long time. It feels like the right thing to do to like talk about Unreal because that we can't we can't hide. Like it's it's so obvious that that is how producers are operating.
00:45:08
Sammi
And
00:45:08
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:45:09
Sammi
Like I said, and I and I strongly feel this way. i felt this way, you know, way back when Katie's season of The Bachelorette was one of my favorite seasons. And there was like no drama and all of the men were crying all the time. And it was like one of my favorites, like they were everybody got along. Everything was good. It was a lot of fun. It was a good season. Katie was a great bachelorette. It was just like very easy.
00:45:33
Sammi
And so they could do that. They could go that direction. And I actually think people wouldn't mind it. Look at the bromances that we've had on the show that everybody loves. Right. It's like and just like the friendships, you know, um you know, ah Rachel talks about in her book how she thought she was going to like hate Alexis. Yeah.
00:45:51
Sammi
Because of the all like, I'm a dolphin thing.
00:45:54
Steve
for every year of a talk to you.
00:45:54
Sammi
And she goes, she ended up being like one of the most genuine people. You know, they're still well, at least the time of writing the book, I'm sure they're still friends. um She's like, we're still friends to this day.
00:46:04
Sammi
Like she was such a genuine, cool person. It's like, there's a lot of fun, like paradise, especially, you know, when you don't just like cast everybody as like being pitted against each other and they can have a little bit more fun.
00:46:17
Sammi
It's like, I don't know. I find that very enjoyable. Yeah. I don't want people to just like be fighting all the time on TV. Like, I, you know, yeah, I like mess like Vanderpump Rules, like obviously, wow, the good old days.
00:46:30
Sammi
But the reason like that so much, too, was that they were all genuinely friends. And like, they all like hung out with each other every day. um You know, so it's just like they could do it a different way.
00:46:42
Sammi
It could be a different direction. They they could put this together differently and they choose not to. And not only that, but yeah, they choose to the cast people who are highly problematic or just like messes.
00:46:56
Sammi
And it's... irresponsible. Like with Taylor, like, you know, God, to watch her break down on TV when Dakota is like pulling the strings and messing with her, it's like she needs to get so, and she can't get far away from him, but it's like, wow, she needs to get far away from this man because he is really messing with her.
00:47:08
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:47:17
Sammi
Plus her family is not as supportive as they should be. I think they're starting to become more supportive. It seems like, but they really are hard on her as well. So it's like, I feel like she doesn't have a lot of places to turn to and then to expose her to the bachelorette, which is just such a high pressure environment with a ginormous audience. Um,
00:47:41
Sammi
Yeah, it's weird, but I agree with you. i do it It is interesting to see how popular the Mormon wives got so fast. like um And season three, I want to say it was, they were at like probably stagecoach, right?
00:47:56
Sammi
And Lana Del Rey was like, I'm such a huge fan. And they have like a recording of her being like, So wait, is it all real? Are you like, are you all fighting or like what's happening?
00:48:06
Sammi
Like she was like, I need to know. i need to know.
00:48:07
Steve
yeah yeah
00:48:08
Sammi
And they're like, she loves our show. Like, is this real life? This is so confusing. I can't believe it, you know, but to see them permeate everything and yet still not cast Latia as the bachelorette.
Challenges Facing 'The Bachelor' Franchise
00:48:24
Sammi
What a choice. What a choice.
00:48:25
Steve
water footly
00:48:26
Sammi
Big mistake. Yeah.
00:48:29
Steve
I think, and and this this is the problem, like, there is real value in owning the fact that you are supervillain, all right?
00:48:41
Steve
We were talking about Vanderpump earlier.
00:48:42
Sammi
Mm-hmm.
00:48:44
Steve
You've got Tom Sandoval here. You've got Jax Taylor here. ah They've both cheated a bunch of times. They've both done terrible shit. They're both kind of insufferable pricks. Jax Taylor, in my mind, is a step above Tom Sandoval because he's slimy, and he doesn't really think of himself as a TV villain.
00:49:03
Steve
He thinks he's better than that. He thinks he's more than that. Where Jax probably...
00:49:06
Sammi
Mm-hmm. Well, he's the number one guy in the group.
00:49:09
Steve
He's the number one guy in the group. Yeah, number one villain in the group. Be honest with who you are. There was a time, okay, where there was a reality TV show, ladies and gentlemen, called Bad Girls Club.
00:49:22
Steve
And you know what they did? They cast women who were bad girls. It wasn't really much of a club aspect, but they were bad girls, and they would fight, and they would throw things at each other, and they would scream, and it was just constant conflict, and it was basically designed around escalating their emotions and getting them to fight.
00:49:31
Sammi
you
00:49:42
Steve
And is that manipulative and bad and like exploitative? Yeah, you could argue that it is pretty convincingly. But also, you're on fucking Bad Girls Club. Okay? So there's an expectation there.
00:49:54
Steve
Don't tell me that you are the puritanical like bachelorette when it is quite clear the kind of strings that you are pulling behind the scenes. You understand? if I go on the, you know, kick me in the dick happy hour on ABC and I get kicked in the dick, I'm not going to complain.
00:50:11
Steve
But if I walk in the bathroom,
00:50:11
Sammi
You're going to like, I thought that this was okay. Yeah.
00:50:13
Steve
Yeah. Or if I walk on the, you get a nice gentle hug from a soft teddy bear and then I get kicked in the dick. Well, then I'm mad because I wasn't expecting that
00:50:22
Sammi
Mm-hmm.
00:50:23
Steve
And this is all they're doing. Like, just be honest with who you are. Just, just be a scumbag. Don't be, ah we had no Taylor. What? She, she throws shit and punches men.
00:50:32
Sammi
she she's been so good the whole time like what are you talking about yeah it's like you know I mean yeah like right it's like I mean you know yeah like Layla or Miranda would be good choices they're not going to cause that kind of problem they still capture the same audience and it's much right
00:50:33
Steve
Yeah. Yeah. not
00:50:40
Steve
The thing we absolutely knew would happen happened and who could have predicted it? Not me. ah
00:50:53
Steve
Yeah.
00:50:56
Steve
Oh, but it's not Taylor Frankie Paul though, because, because taylor comes that you you're doing the gamble, right? Cause you know, like there's a little bit of extra juice there.
00:51:02
Sammi
mm-hmm
00:51:03
Steve
Like it's exciting.
00:51:04
Sammi
Right, exactly. But that's what I'm saying. But it's like they have the same fandom and it is more up their alley in terms of like their personalities are well suited for the show.
00:51:14
Sammi
They're the kind of women that you would see on the show become the Bachelorette. So that's like not so much of a leap. And I really thought they were going to go with Latia. And I was like, that's smart. It's like basically a crossover.
00:51:27
Sammi
That's
00:51:27
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:51:27
Sammi
how you get a lot of success sometimes when you get, when you do a crossover, that would be good for both franchises. But yeah, I think they flew too close to the sun with this one took a ridiculous risk and, and it's yeah, not paying off, but I do think there are some very weird double standards. Cause it's like, there have been absolutely terrible people on the show who've done awful things.
00:51:51
Sammi
One of them still has a fricking platform. Okay. One of them, was on Traitors.
00:51:57
Steve
we
00:51:57
Sammi
And so I didn't watch it because that guy. And I wanted to watch it. But between him and Michael Rappaport, I'm like, yeah, I'm not interested. Sorry, can't do it.
00:52:06
Steve
Grandpa Court is so funny. He's the worst guy in the world.
00:52:09
Sammi
a terrible human but it's like okay you you had a former bachelor by the way was my favorite bachelor until the whole stalking thing because I was like god he's just like neurotic well foreshadowing and like eats just snacking constantly and on his little self cam and I was like obsessed with that and and I really wanted to like him forever and of course he had to go and be so weird and put a tracker on his ex-girlfriend's vehicle.
00:52:11
Steve
yeah.
00:52:37
Sammi
And that is so fucked up to a level that I just can't even. Anyway, and he still gets, but he gets like good edits too.
00:52:41
Steve
Well, and he's he's really annoying on the traders, and he also... Yeah, he's...
00:52:45
Sammi
And I'm like, what the hell? Does nobody remember?
00:52:49
Steve
Yeah, even though he's kind of like a...
00:52:49
Sammi
It's awful.
00:52:51
Steve
I don't know, he's the kid telling the teacher she forgot to assign homework. Like, that's the kind of traders player he is.
00:52:55
Sammi
Ugh, what a weenie.
00:52:55
Steve
He's annoying. he did got a really He's a weenie. He's a weenie, but he got a good edit. Rappaport, you could not give him a good edit if he tried. Like, there's...
00:53:02
Sammi
Well, he's just like a terrible person. There's no good at it to have.
00:53:06
Steve
because it's just like you gave Michael Rappaport a platform was like yeah but watch what he does now and he's the worst man everybody hates him production hates him the rest of the cast hates him America hates him he eats weird with his like his little right
00:53:19
Sammi
Yeah, I saw I saw that. Listen, justice for Ron Funches, 100%.
00:53:25
Steve
right
00:53:25
Sammi
What the hell? Why were people mean to him? Fuck all of you. um if you if you have just started to like Ron Funches, might I suggest watching the TV show Lute?
00:53:37
Sammi
It's wonderful. It will also give you warm, fuzzy feelings.
00:53:39
Steve
you
00:53:40
Sammi
It's so good. It's so good. And Ron Funches has like a friendship on that show, which like makes me happy every time I watch it. So you should all watch that. Those guys. But yeah, like, I'm just like, look at that. And like, look at like, Chad and like Luke and like some of the men who are on the show who were absolutely vile, disgusting people. And you're like, well, I'm okay with that. But like,
00:54:06
Sammi
But anyway, and not that I think she should necessarily have ever gotten cast in the first place. I was pretty shocked when they cast her. I was like, this is an interesting, different kind of a thing.
00:54:17
Sammi
um So to say that I'm like so surprised, like I'm not like I'm surprised that they still didn't air it because of how much they love money and ratings.
00:54:28
Sammi
um Yeah.
00:54:28
Steve
And they did the TV episode. They did the episode zero that was up. Did you see that?
00:54:33
Sammi
Mm hmm. No.
00:54:35
Steve
It's kind of wild. So it's just like introducing her to the world. I don't think it's like quite a full episode. It's probably like 30 minutes.
00:54:41
Sammi
Was it the one where like all the former like bachelorettes were hanging out and stuff?
00:54:44
Steve
and you're and you're in our club now forever you're one of there yeah episode zero so that's like around so that's but that's all there is that's like the surviving element which is so strange is she still in the account if it never is she still and i'm i'm still counting her as a bachelorette even if her season never airs
00:54:47
Sammi
Yeah. Okay. I saw that. Yeah. Some of it. Yeah.
00:54:57
Sammi
It's so weird. What'd you say?
00:55:04
Sammi
Yeah, I mean, I think it still counts. I mean, I just don't know where we go from here. like But I will say, okay, so um so I read Rachel Lindsay's book, as I mentioned, Miss Me With That. And like she covered a lot in the book, okay? Like a lot, like her whole life. But now she said she's going to come out with a divorce book next, which I'm really excited about because – It was like, honestly, physically uncomfortable to listen to the book anytime she said something nice about Brian.
00:55:33
Steve
Yeah.
00:55:35
Sammi
I was like, oh, because she was like, it's just so nice to have someone who like, you know, has these positive attributes.
00:55:35
Steve
going up
00:55:41
Sammi
And I'm like, Oh, no, I'm listening from the future. This is awkward. um But she is very open about like the whole, you know, like, no, Peter was not right for me.
00:55:46
Steve
yeah
00:55:52
Sammi
And everyone needed to stop saying that he was. She made it pretty clear that Eric was her second place choice.
00:55:59
Steve
Mm-hmm.
00:55:59
Sammi
It was not Peter. It wasn't ever Peter. She was like, she really liked Eric. um And I'm trying to remember, I want to say it was just like, she wasn't sure he was like totally ready to like get to that serious stage. I think that's kind of the way that she had characterized it where it was like,
00:56:17
Sammi
He was good, but he wasn't like all the way there. And I mean, you can tell how much she liked him just based on and I talked about this at the time, how much producers like started to like pay more attention to him and like, you know, and they're like, oh, like, let's give him like a really nice edit and dress him up and whatever. But she said like he was really like one of the most positive, like wonderful people that she met on the show. Yeah.
00:56:39
Sammi
Um, and, and Peter just like, yeah, there were certain things that like gave her pause about him besides the whole, like, she was pretty sure he just wanted to be the bachelor.
00:56:51
Sammi
um she was like, I just didn't think he was into me, you know, the way that he needed to be. and And, and, and like the audience saw this one thing, but I felt differently and I believe her on that for sure.
00:57:02
Sammi
But she talks about like you know the whole experience like getting to the Bachelorette. And she had had like a couple on-again, off-again relationships with like different men.
00:57:13
Sammi
And she covers a lot of those relationships in the book. And it's really interesting. And she also talks about kind of her um her school experience, her law career, all of that.
00:57:24
Sammi
But like she was with some men who were kind of emotionally unavailable. it like... We're good. Now we're not good. Now we're good. And then like, I want to say there was like a guy that she dated.
00:57:35
Sammi
i think it was the last guy she seriously dated before going on The Bachelorette. We're like, kind like disappeared off the face of the earth and then like was having a baby with another woman. And she was like, oh my God, what the hell?
00:57:47
Sammi
So it was kind of like a it was kind of like a what the hell?
00:57:47
Steve
Huh.
00:57:51
Sammi
Why not? I'll just do this for fun kind of a thing. Like, I'll just be a contestant on the show because why not? And there was like casting in her city. And she was just like, well, nothing else is going on for me.
00:58:03
Sammi
So I might as well do that. And it was like her and her friend like went to do it or whatever. Um, if I remember correctly, it was a little while ago that I read the book a couple, like a month or so ago.
00:58:14
Sammi
Um, but yeah, so she gets on, you know, next season and, you know, has a pretty good experience. And then, you know, just, yeah, gets asked to be the bachelorette and all of that.
00:58:26
Sammi
But she's talked about how, you know, to be the bachelorette, the first black bachelorette, she took it really seriously. She also knew like, she's like, it's gotta to be someone like me, you know, like,
00:58:33
Steve
Yeah. Yeah.
00:58:39
Sammi
a lawyer you know an accomplished woman and all of that and she was like she talks about how she felt like she always had to kind of ride the line like between really showing how she felt well because one of the experiences that was not great on next season I should say was that she and Vanessa did not get along And they hid a lot of that from the show because Nick ended up with Vanessa, so they wanted to make Vanessa look good. um As far as I know, it sounds like maybe they smooth things out a little.
00:59:08
Steve
Yep.
00:59:12
Sammi
i'm i Don't quote me on that. I don't remember. But she had other good relationships. in the house, thankfully, but she was very concerned about being portrayed as like an angry black woman.
00:59:25
Sammi
And so she was like really trying to kind of temper the way that she was on the show. And she did spend quite ah a bit of time talking and to producers about that as well, because she's really smart.
00:59:37
Sammi
And, um, so then when she became the bachelorette, she wanted to make sure that like, that she was portrayed in a way that could pave the way for more, you know, black bachelorettes, more women of color to like be bachelorettes on the show.
00:59:53
Sammi
and I do think she played it really well. I still think she's one of the best bachelorettes like we've ever had. And I've said that plenty of times.
01:00:00
Steve
Right. She's like a pro.
01:00:02
Sammi
Yeah.
01:00:02
Steve
She's one of people where like, you know, she doesn't stand out just for like entertainment value or something like that.
01:00:03
Sammi
She,
01:00:07
Steve
But as far as like people who took it seriously and were able to like command the screen, did a great job.
01:00:10
Sammi
Yeah.
01:00:13
Sammi
She has really great presence. Well, and she talks about in the book too, which I didn't know, that she um wanted to do like so basically like sports casting and things like that, where she wanted to be like a sports agent. She's like really into sports and and her her parents were like, well, we want you to be a lawyer. So she was kind of like always trying to find like she like, cause I want to say Marquette has like a sports law program. Yeah.
01:00:41
Sammi
If I'm correct, I don't know. But that's why she went to Marquette.
01:00:42
Steve
Seems about right. Yeah.
01:00:44
Sammi
Yeah, she went to Marquette like for that reason after ah think she went to UT, I think. And then after that, she yeah, she went to Marquette for, you know, law school.
01:00:53
Steve
Very impressive resume, by the way.
01:00:55
Sammi
Yes, 100 percent. Like so, you know, it's like she has a she has a great career, but she also always had that side of her that she wanted to like be in entertainment in like an announcing hosting kind of a way or do like agent work or whatever.
01:01:13
Sammi
Like, you know, all of that like interpersonal work that you can tell she's really good at because like she carries herself so well on the show. And this was all by design. Like she was very intentional about how she wanted to come across.
01:01:25
Sammi
She talks about that in the book. And she also, which I think is really smart and anyone who's up with bachelorette should listen to this piece of advice. She specifically scheduled She had regular meetings with the therapist who was cast or who was hired for the show.
01:01:43
Sammi
So she like required, I want to say like weekly meetings with the therapist to like make sure because she she had gone to like years of therapy before she was on the show,
Rachel Lindsay's Experiences and Impact
01:01:52
Steve
Okay. Yeah.
01:01:52
Sammi
which is another reason why she wasn't a mess on the show.
01:01:54
Sammi
Because she had like she had been through a lot of like relationship stuff. She talks about this pretty openly in the book. And she's like, and I went to therapy and like got better, you know, and was in a really good headspace when I started doing the shows, you know, and she wanted to make sure that continued and that she didn't fall into like common traps that producers like to set.
01:02:16
Sammi
So she, you know, required as part of, of course, she worked on rewriting her contract when she became the bachelorette because she knew she would have more control over it.
01:02:24
Steve
She's a lawyer, yeah.
01:02:25
Sammi
Yeah. Because like you don't really have control over it when you're contestant. It's like, no, we're not making any changes. You're just going to have to go with what's in here.
01:02:32
Steve
Yeah.
01:02:33
Sammi
But once she became the bachelorette, she was like, no, we're going to we're going tweak some here Because otherwise I'm not going to say yes. um
01:02:39
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:02:40
Sammi
So, you know, it's like so she talked about just on a recent podcast where, you know, like it was seen as such a risk to cast her as the bachelorette because, oh, my gosh, the first black bachelorette.
01:02:52
Sammi
What a risk. What if nobody watches? What if no one's interested?
01:02:55
Steve
Yeah, yeah.
01:02:55
Sammi
Right. Right. And she's like, and yet you didn't think it was risky at all to cast Taylor Frankie Paul, someone who's got like all this mess going on in their life. Like that wasn't risky to you.
01:03:07
Sammi
But like I was a liability.
01:03:07
Steve
Oh.
01:03:09
Sammi
Like, OK, right.
01:03:09
Steve
Yeah. Liability for meetings. Yeah, that's all I can.
01:03:13
Sammi
Right. Exactly. It's just like ridiculous. And so um I guess she was Rachel was on a podcast not too long ago and she talks about she she basically said that like she believes like the Bachelor and Bachelorette was like tainted. um And, you know, where do you go from here? And maybe it's over. And maybe it is over.
01:03:35
Steve
It feels like that's the direction they've been cruising in for while.
01:03:37
Sammi
Yeah.
01:03:38
Steve
Like, they this is not a show on an upward trajectory.
01:03:39
Sammi
yeah
01:03:42
Steve
It's seen as kind of like old hat, little dusty. um it is There's been a ah series of disasters from a PR standpoint, from a financial standpoint. Like, it's not in a good place.
01:03:55
Sammi
No.
01:03:56
Steve
If you're going to take old Yeller out behind the shed and shoot it, this would be the time to do it because there's really... it's it's It's hard. It's hard. I don't think after the initial Golden Bachelor and Golden Bachelorette, I think that fizzled.
01:04:09
Steve
I think they haven't they haven't found a way to really find a way to kind of hook a new audience. They tried a new editing style that was evident.
01:04:21
Sammi
That was abysmal. Mm-mm.
01:04:22
Steve
not great it was just it just made it look more like love island and i think you know i i believe i compared it to the steve buscemi meme where he's dressed like a high school kid holding a skateboard how do how do you how are you doing in fellow kids or how do you do fuck yeah yeah yeah yeah sure that's that's pretty much what they're doing at this point and you gotta to either lean into the fact that you are what you are or you're gonna have to just hang it up you know that's it that's it
01:04:32
Sammi
Yeah.
01:04:35
Sammi
How do you do, fellow kids? Yeah. Rock band. Yeah.
01:04:53
Sammi
Yeah, I think, you know, and where do we go from here? That's what everybody wants to know.
Future Podcast Topics and Bachelor Alumni Successes
01:04:57
Steve
us
01:04:57
Sammi
That's what the fans want to know. Where do we go from
01:05:00
Steve
If our cash cow is put out to pasture, where where then does the podcast lead us?
01:05:06
Sammi
I think we've got plenty of things to talk about. So regardless, we'll, we can find other things to talk about. Um, like I mentioned before, i do want to start working more on some horror stuff.
01:05:11
Steve
Mm-hmm.
01:05:16
Sammi
So, and we're both horror fans, so you'll definitely be able to find this, that us there.
01:05:19
Steve
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
01:05:22
Sammi
um You know, Pop Culture Diner was always created to be something where I covered more than The Bachelor. it just kind of so happened that I covered The Bachelor a lot. So we'll figure it out. And there's plenty of Bachelor Nation stuff to still cover. Like there's plenty of books. There's plenty of old seasons. There's like plenty of stuff to rehash that I think is interesting and people are interested in. I mean, one of our most watched episodes was ah Courtney's book.
01:05:47
Sammi
I think that is our most watched episode behind like The Mormon Wives season one.
01:05:49
Steve
That was a fun one.
01:05:51
Sammi
Yeah. Recap. Those are like our two most watched videos.
01:05:54
Steve
It was crazy for Mormons!
01:05:57
Sammi
Yeah. And I mean, and I am fascinated by Mormons and I have been fascinated by Mormons since like the early 2000s, you know, early blogging days. So um I always am happy to talk about Mormons because I just I i am fascinated. um But yeah, I think, yeah, we'll have to see where things go from here. i do have some good news to to round out the show. And that's that our Jillybox tariffs are lower now.
01:06:24
Steve
Oh, thank God.
01:06:25
Sammi
Instead of paying $100 Canadian, it went down to, I think, like $39, $29, $39, something like that. Much lower tariffs.
01:06:32
Steve
Okay, okay.
01:06:33
Sammi
Thank you, Jelly. Oh, this was a question I was to ask you, too. I think this ah this is a really good closing question. Somebody posted something...
01:06:39
Steve
Ooh.
01:06:41
Sammi
On TikTok, of course, ah where it was like, who do you think is who do you think from Bachelor Nation is so far removed from the show that people like don't like has done so much after the show that people don't even associate them with the Bachelor anymore?
01:06:58
Sammi
And I had some names and like nobody said those names, which I thought was really interesting. So I'm curious what what names come to mind for you.
01:07:05
Steve
Someone who like transcends the Bachelor into the stratosphere.
01:07:09
Sammi
Yeah, to the point where people don't even, like, think about that they were on The Bachelor anymore.
01:07:10
Steve
Yeah.
01:07:14
Steve
Yeah. Huh.
01:07:16
Sammi
Or might have found them through some of, I mean, I think Gabby is, like, an easy, like, early, like, a lot of people don't don't know that she was on The Bachelor. They found her through other means.
01:07:23
Steve
Yeah.
01:07:23
Sammi
But I think there's better examples than that, even.
01:07:24
Steve
She's just funny.
01:07:27
Steve
ah Yeah, it's it's hard because i i I'm thinking pretty recent, and I i wish I could go back a little bit more and figure it out. ah First person that comes to mind is, I mean, Gabby for sure. Nick Vile is interesting because he's got his podcast now.
01:07:46
Sammi
Yeah.
01:07:46
Steve
and his But it's it's hard because, yes, people just think of him as the podcast guy. Yeah.
01:07:54
Sammi
Mm-hmm.
01:07:56
Steve
But he's the podcast guy who only talks to reality TV show people. And like, that's kind of his in, you know what i mean? But that doesn't mean it's, it's almost like a football coach who used to be a player.
01:08:04
Sammi
Mm-hmm.
01:08:08
Steve
You know, you just sort of, you forget that they used to do the other thing and now they're just recent to it.
01:08:12
Sammi
Right.
01:08:14
Steve
ah So I can't separate him from The Bachelor, but I think if you're of a certain age and you didn't watch when his season is was wouldn't he's like actually on the show, then it's easier to forget. i don't know. who Who are the names that come to mind for you?
01:08:28
Steve
Because I feel like mine obvious.
01:08:28
Sammi
Okay, my mind...
01:08:29
Steve
This is like what the comment section was.
01:08:31
Sammi
Yeah, my mind was immediately Travis Stork.
01:08:32
Steve
My name was
01:08:35
Sammi
I was like, I don't think anybody thinks of Travis Stork as being on The Bachelor. they If they know him, they think of him as being on that show, The Doctors. Remember the show, The Doctors, that daytime talk show?
01:08:46
Steve
yeah yeah yeah yeah okay okay yeah it's like 15 years ago 10 years ago
01:08:48
Sammi
Yeah, Travis Stork, I think, is a really good one. Although I don't know if he's really relevant anymore. I was just like looking him up. was like, is he like doing anything these days? Yeah. I mean, I think he is still a television person.
01:09:00
Sammi
Oh, no, it ended in 2020, but it ran from 2008 to 2020.
01:09:05
Steve
wow okay long
01:09:05
Sammi
That's a long time. And and he was on The Bachelor season eight. So that was like a long time ago, you know, um so.
01:09:13
Steve
Yeah, he had a run where like yeah daytime moms probably knew him more from that than they would The Bachelor.
01:09:19
Sammi
Yeah, so I thought of.
01:09:20
Steve
Because that season of that, like if it was 2018, 2019, 2020, he's so far from The Bachelor at that point, he's just the TV doctor guy.
01:09:28
Sammi
Right.
01:09:28
Steve
yeah.
01:09:28
Sammi
He did the show for 12 years.
01:09:29
Steve
Yeah.
01:09:30
Sammi
Like, that's a long time to do a show. um The other person I thought about was Allie Fedotowski, because I feel like a lot of people don't think about Allie as being on The Bachelor and The Bachelorette.
01:09:42
Sammi
And she still is on E! News, I think. Yeah.
01:09:47
Steve
Oh, there you go.
01:09:48
Sammi
Yeah. So she's been on E! News since 2013. And yeah,
01:09:52
Steve
Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Good one.
01:09:55
Sammi
I think a lot of people don't think about Allie as being as, you know, formally being the bachelorette.
01:09:58
Steve
Oh, that's a dream job. Oh, let me just like be on E! News. What's George Clooney doing? I heard he moved his family to France. Great.
01:10:05
Sammi
Right.
01:10:06
Steve
That's your job.
01:10:06
Sammi
Like she's, and yeah, i don't I think there's a ton of people who would watch E!
01:10:06
Steve
Very cool.
01:10:11
Sammi
News now and would never think of her as being on The Bachelorette. So those were the two that I said, because someone said Trista, and I'm like, literally she is the first Bachelorette. She could not separate herself from that at all.
01:10:23
Steve
it she What does she do outside of that?
01:10:24
Sammi
You know, yeah, not really.
01:10:26
Steve
like That's just her thing, right?
01:10:28
Sammi
Yeah, like she's done some shows, but they're all like,
01:10:29
Steve
I can't name your other job, then you don't care.
01:10:32
Sammi
Right.
01:10:32
Steve
I'm sorry.
01:10:33
Sammi
So like I think Rachel is a good example though too because she's got a podcast. She's got like a couple podcasts and she does extra, right? And she's done like she worked for yeah ESPN for a hot second. So I don't know she's still doing stuff with them. She's like she does a lot of entertainment stuff but I also feel like it's hard to extricate her from the, but even though she has kind of removed herself from bachelor nation.
01:10:56
Sammi
It's like, because she's the first black bachelorette, I feel like there's always going to be a tie. Just like with Trista, there's always a tie, even if she like was doing a bunch of other stuff. um So I don't necessarily think that was just one of the people in the comments.
01:11:04
Steve
Oh.
01:11:08
Sammi
And then a bunch of people said Jilly, because what I don't realize, because I just completely associate Jilly with the bachelor the, she did have this lifestyle blog and like, that's why she has all these subscribers and stuff like that.
01:11:22
Sammi
And they view her through the blogger lens and not as someone who was on the bachelor or bachelorette, because like she did that. I think there was like a period of time where she wasn't really doing much of anything.
01:11:35
Sammi
And then like her blog was building up. And so people just came to her like around the time, you know, that like that kind of blogging, that lifestyle blogging was really popular So there are a lot of people who said, who said Jilly too.
01:11:48
Sammi
And I was like, Oh, that's interesting. Cause I just, I can't think of her as anything else either. But my two best examples were like Travis Stork and Allie Fedotowski. and and it might've been Jesse if he hadn't come back to the franchise, but he came back.
01:12:03
Steve
Right?
01:12:04
Sammi
So it's a little different, but I would say that there, I think they're the two best examples that I, that come to mind for me.
01:12:05
Steve
Yeah, no, it's hard. It was too difficult when I came back.
01:12:10
Sammi
So I was curious if you had ones.
01:12:12
Steve
Yeah, no Nick Files is, I guess, the only one that other than Gabby, but Gabby feels so obvious at this point. But yeah, i love I love the Doctor's guy. That's watches that?
01:12:22
Sammi
I know. Because I really, sometimes I forget. I'm like, wait, because like I'll think I hallucinated and I'll be like, no, he was on The Bachelor, wasn't he?
01:12:31
Steve
Imagine if you met someone like, my favorite TV show is the Doctor's.
01:12:31
Sammi
The doctor's.
01:12:34
Steve
yeah like What is wrong with you?
01:12:37
Sammi
That's just like the show that's on when you just like don't, you know, i'm I'm currently listening to the book Lessons in Chemistry. And they talk about which is like about like this woman who is a chemist.
01:12:48
Sammi
And this is like it's a fictional book, but it's a woman who's like a chemist in this in like 1960. And um because of sexism, she she becomes like a television host where she does like a dinner show, you know, like during the afternoon slump.
01:13:01
Steve
Oh, you read the book? I watch the TV show.
01:13:04
Sammi
Oh, yeah. Oh, well, look at you.
01:13:06
Steve
Yeah, it's called Being Fancy. Yeah.
01:13:08
Sammi
I will watch the TV show. But yeah, anyway, well, for those who are unfamiliar and um and it makes me think of that, it's like, you know, that kind of stuff comes in in that slump where like, you know, it's like, well, you can put anything in just to wake somebody up or whatever. It's like that's like you're getting off the bus and the doctor's is on. So you quick switch it to Fresh Prince or whatever.
01:13:29
Steve
yeah
01:13:29
Sammi
not ah not an experience I ever had because those two
01:13:33
Steve
The View meets Dr. Phil. What could possibly go wrong?
01:13:37
Sammi
Right. Yeah. It's like we don't just have one doctor who ends up becoming a Maha doctor. We have four doctors or whatever, and they all weigh in on something and
01:13:47
Steve
if we had a Quad Oz situation?
01:13:49
Sammi
but Yeah. So anyway, everybody remember Travis Stork was on The Bachelor and that was like a big deal because it was like, yeah, like the whole marketing was like, and he's a doctor.
01:14:01
Sammi
You know, it was like when Firestone was on and it was like, oh, he's a millionaire whatever. And then i was like, and he's a doctor. Like, That was when they were like really trying to make people look impressive. That's when they tried to make Ben Flaschnick look impressive. If you'll remember back that far friends, they tried to make him look or Flonic. I've been saying his name wrong all those years. I remember now when we did Courtney's book. um Anyway, friends, I don't know what we'll be doing next.
01:14:29
Sammi
do you have ideas for what we're doing next? Otherwise, you'll just see us probably in a couple weeks.
01:14:32
Steve
wherever wind takes us
01:14:34
Sammi
Yeah, we'll we'll figure out something. We'll share more. But I will say I do recommend Rachel's book. I thought it was really good. I've read a lot of like Bachelor Nation books and I listened to this one, which was fun, and she narrated it. So I really enjoyed that. So if you can get copy of the audio book. She, again, like she's, she does like extra and stuff. So she's like good at narrating her own book. It's like sometimes when, you know, it's like a celebrity or reality star and they narrate their own book. You're like, who told you to do this? But she's like perfect at it, you know? So it's very entertaining. I recommend it.
Closing Remarks and Springtime Enjoyment
01:15:11
Sammi
And, uh, uh, maybe we'll come back with her fictional book. Um, cause you didn't get around to reading that you had to have a sinus infection.
01:15:20
Steve
Yeah, sorry. Little boy with the schniffles.
01:15:24
Sammi
yeah How dare you? um Anyway, but yeah, that's all I got. I don't know. You got anything else? Got anything to plug?
01:15:31
Steve
Nothing to plug. I wish I'd plug.
01:15:33
Sammi
Oh, okay.
01:15:34
Steve
I'm like looking around like i'm just going pick up something and be like, I'd like to plug. No, I got nothing. I got nothing.
01:15:41
Sammi
Um, okay. Well, friends, we will see you probably sooner than later because we like to talk to each other. We'll find some things to talk about. But until then, you know, um Easter just happened. Spring has sprung.
01:15:54
Sammi
Make sure to get outside when there's good weather and and appreciate the blessings around you.
01:16:01
Steve
Yeah, don't do needle drugs. I think it's a curse.
01:16:11
Steve
I want to plug COVID.
01:16:21
Steve
a plug culver
01:16:23
Sammi
Culver, sponsor us.