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It’s Just A Mild Heart Attack, Put Me In A Leg Lock
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This week Chris and Fax attended GCW's J Cup and Garrett had an encounter with Beastman in Nashville! They're also chatting about their new favorite wrestler from the 1930's, road tripping with Sandman and more!
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Introduction to Predetermined Podcast
00:00:34
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a Pro Wrestling Hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender. And with me, as always, my two Valentines, Chris Miggs and Jimmy Fax. You're my hardcore Valentine chemical romance. I don't know. You guys like my, it's my three Valentines. It's, it's you two in professional wrestling.
Valentine's Day Wrestler Picks
00:01:01
Speaker
If you could only give one Valentine, like you have a card and you have to give it to somebody within professional wrestling today, who would you want to be your pro wrestling Valentine, if not either of us? John Moxley and I'd sign it in blood. He'd love that.
00:01:21
Speaker
Yeah, I think he would. Rene wouldn't like that he put it on the fridge and have blood that close to the food, but he's like, yeah, it's normal. I eat sandwiches all the time after matches. You get a little blood on it. Sometimes it's yours, sometimes them. It's a condiment for me.
00:01:37
Speaker
Well, I definitely feel like Moxley has his own fridge, right? Like he's, there's the fridge in the kitchen that he's not allowed to touch, except for in very specific scenarios. Um, and then he has like his own, it used to be like his beer fridge downstairs. And now it's just like, there's just like hunks of turkey legs and just like cold cuts. And he just, he just literally flies home first class on Delta.
00:02:05
Speaker
Still busted wide open, no shirt, gets home, just starts eating turkey legs and just, you know, Colby Jack cheese.
00:02:14
Speaker
What do you think his vice has been since he gave up drinking? Because like, you know, some people had a real question. They gain a lot of weight. He already liked bleeding before it. He liked bleeding already. You think this is new? No, but again, if you ever it's like somebody who's a smoker and then quits drinking and then it's not like they never smoked until they do. They just start smoking a lot more.
00:02:38
Speaker
Right. That's what it is with Moxley and the bleeding. It's like it's it's a direct replacement and just generally feeling pain. Do you think he's been to American cheeseburger and this is really like his ideal restaurant.
American Cheeseburger and Rob Black
00:02:55
Speaker
But I bring up American cheeseburger guys. It would be because last week we did
00:03:02
Speaker
Almost 90 minutes on American Cheeseburger, it felt like. We did at least 50 minutes an hour. Is there podcast infomercials yet? Because if not, I think we invented the podcast infomercial for American Cheeseburger last week.
00:03:15
Speaker
Yeah, and the thing is we had done so little actual research on the place other than just watching that match and seeing their menu. All it took was you doing one Facebook search to completely change that entire episode for us.
00:03:33
Speaker
Yeah. So it was really interesting because like we talked about on the show, like the Appalachian Championship Wrestling Facebook page apparently is installed on Shane Douglas's phone. So if you need to know where Shane Douglas is doing on social media, just go to the Appalachian and that's it's the same thing with the American cheeseburger of Rochester, New York.
00:03:53
Speaker
page with XPW and the porn store Rob Black owns. So it's very, very clear. Yeah, Mr. Black owns American cheeseburger and also promotes his daily
00:04:10
Speaker
daily podcast, he's been going every day for months, sometimes up to two hours, usually at least one, and they're all batshit insane. If it's daily, it's not really a podcast, it's a radio show no one will pay you for. He is certainly a poor man's Alex Jones, it seems, just from the episode descriptions. I don't know, Alex Jones is pretty poor at this point, is my understanding, so. Oh, I, yeah, I know how much. Bob Black may be the rich man's Alex Jones.
00:04:40
Speaker
Yeah, if Alex Jones owned a restaurant, then he would be doing okay right now, but no. Yeah, we kind of talked up a cheeseburger place that's owned by a scumbag. Let's be clear, we weren't talking it up. We did learn with that Facebook slightly deeper dive that the logo is a busty Statue of Liberty. Right, not a 31 year old waitress.
00:05:11
Speaker
a cartoon like Jessica Rabbit type. Yeah. It's a good thing that we found all this out because I certainly would have purchased a t-shirt of this restaurant. And so let's be clear. This is no booting. This is no Buffalo Wild Wings parking lot. Right. This is not one of our meccas anymore.
00:05:30
Speaker
It is a curious place. I am not going to say I'm not going to watch a little bit of intrigue. What might happen there?
Tom's American Cheeseburger Experience
00:05:38
Speaker
But it did really reinforce that Rob Black is a complete scumbag, and I really don't want to give him any money. I will directly. I will say, though, we learned something even more interesting this weekend, which so as we mentioned last week, we went to the Jersey J Cup.
00:05:57
Speaker
with our buddy, Professor Tom. Who has eaten at American cheeseburger? Well, and that's what I was about to say. We started talking about this and he's like, wait, it's in Rochester? I think I've eaten there.
00:06:09
Speaker
Driving up to Buffalo. I think I've, I think I've hit American cheeseburger and he said it was good. Now we tried to, we couldn't exactly prove it to him, but he, he says he remembers there being a fried cheeseburger on the menu and thinking that sounds like a bad idea. Um, but he says he had the cheeseburger fries. They were, it was very solid. Um, I don't think it was the most glowing review in the world.
00:06:33
Speaker
But Tom enjoyed himself. Yeah. But that was also a couple of years ago, he said. So it's clear what the ownership in management situation was. True. Pre pandemic. Because he said in his recollection, he believed it to be a pre pandemic burger that he had.
00:06:50
Speaker
Also, by the time we had this conversation, Tom had had a significant amount to drink. So it's it's unclear if his opinion of it is a little rosier, you know, being a lot to get Tom.
00:07:06
Speaker
You know, just to be clear, we're talking a absolute sadistic amount of alcohol. Yeah. Like I remember I missed session one of the Jersey J Cup. I literally watched the last match of the day session at home. My wife immediately drives me to the train. I get on a train. So I meet these guys. 20 minutes after that match ends.
00:07:33
Speaker
It is 4.30 in the afternoon. The sun is in the sky. It's a gorgeous day for February in New Jersey. And I can't believe how drunk Tom already is given that it's daylight out.
00:07:49
Speaker
Well, was he celebrating being the strongest man on the East Coast or something?
Wrestling Event Shenanigans
00:07:53
Speaker
Yes. Well, he apparently broke the record for deadlift in New York state for people over the age of 44 over the age of 40 on Friday night, which is tremendous. I mean, he's Tom's very, very strong. I believe we will eventually get to manage him as the child, the son of Bill Kazmaier, Ejo de Bill Kazmaier.
00:08:17
Speaker
Uh, on the Indies. Um, but yeah, I showed up, I should, I got to the Jersey Jacob about halfway through the first show. I got there during Leo rush versus Tony Deppin. And, uh, Tom had already drank most of the, of the beer slash cider menu at the white Eagle hall. Um, and the show, the first show was about an hour and a half done.
00:08:37
Speaker
Yeah. And again, this is like a proper venue. This isn't like GCW just kind of put someone in the corner with a couple of trash cans filled with white claws. Like this is a proper venue with a fully stocked bar with a lot of choices. Well, although it looks really nice on TV, it does look like a concert venue.
00:08:57
Speaker
Yeah, it does look better on it's nice in person, but it definitely looks better in tea on TV because it looks much dark. It's actually because it looks very dark on TV. But when you're actually there, it's very easy to see everyone else in the crowd. It's not doesn't actually feel that dark at all. It feels very kind of well lit for a GCW venue. Yeah. Most importantly, though, five dollar Miller highlights all day. Mm hmm.
00:09:27
Speaker
It's a strong call. I mean, you can, I can drink the champagne of beers anytime. So, um, we had, uh, a fair number of those during the evening session. So did you, he was already, Tom was already at the show. You met up towards the end. Facts didn't go at all. Did you all already have tickets or was this a walk up to the door situation? Walk up to the door.
00:09:51
Speaker
Yeah, I had for the first for the first show. Yeah, we had bought tickets for the second show, which so and then I we all met like the two of them went from the show and then I met them at a
Wrestling Match Recaps
00:10:01
Speaker
like a beer hall like a German beer hall where we went for the between show and then we all went to the evening show together and we bought tickets to that in advance. I was debating buying tickets for the early show just in case like it was worth because it was only 20 bucks for GA. It's like well it's worth 20 bucks but it ended up not selling out like GA didn't sell out.
00:10:24
Speaker
Good call, I didn't. So Chris, what matches did you see from session one? So I saw, again, I saw about half of Leo Rush and Tony Deppin, which seemed good. I saw Billy Starks versus Charles Mason.
00:10:40
Speaker
Which- How was that? I was interested in that one. It was okay. I really don't like Mason as a worker. I just don't... I don't think his matches end up amounting to much. I also, like, I both don't like him as a worker, but also am sometimes impressed at how good a worker he is, which makes it weird, because it's like, are you just this weird serial killer guy that's a pure gimmick and a sports entertainer, or are you actually a wrestler?
00:11:07
Speaker
And I actually think in a match like that one where it kind of has him lean more into that dichotomy, like very heavily, there's so much weird dissonance that it's just like, what the fuck is this guy's deal? And so I actually kind of. I really didn't like it and I didn't think it was a great use of of Billy Starks. Yeah. Aries and Commander, which was again, OK, I didn't think they had a great.
00:11:37
Speaker
I just didn't think they had a great outing. I mean, Commander is very fun, but I just didn't think that did match for me. I just think in GCW, if you're going to do two luchadores against each other, that's near the lower end of two luchadores wrestling in a GCW ring that you're going to find, which is unfortunate. Yeah.
00:11:55
Speaker
Um, and Bailey against Gresham, which was a really good, I think better than their matching. Again, I think it was Columbus last year, whatever match they had in the fall. Uh, I think this beat that for sure. And was, was very, very good. Um, I do think it's one of the fundamental problems a little bit with a tournament like this.
00:12:14
Speaker
where you've got a lot of like mat workers where it's like Gresham worked on Speedball's knee, but there's no way that Speedball was going to sell that like Bret Hart when he had to have three more matches. So it was, it was a good match on its own in the overall story.
00:12:33
Speaker
you know, your mileage may vary, but I enjoyed the match. That was certainly the best match of the afternoon session. I was told that Jordan Oliver against Alex Shelley was very good. I have not seen that yet, but I guess I believe that.
00:12:48
Speaker
I do have to ask, because it seemed, you don't like Jordan Oliver, right? Is he started to make form of a wrestler you could enjoy yet?
Debating Speedball Mike Bailey's Appeal
00:13:00
Speaker
So before Chris, I'm just gonna say, and there's a story that goes with this, I was out and out, boisterously rooting for Jordan Oliver in the finals of the Jersey J Cup. Really? And that happened during that tournament, however,
00:13:18
Speaker
That's more because I really confronted my feelings about Speedball Mike Bailey. I hate him. I hate him. I do not like Speedball Mike Bailey. I don't enjoy him as much as most of the other guys in that tournament. I mean, he's good wrestler. Don't get me wrong, but people are drinking a little bit too much of the Speedball Kool-Aid.
00:13:40
Speaker
That is a hot take. It's a very hot take. First icy take. Yeah, I don't know how well that even sits with me. Because so much shit has been talked on, Jordan Oliver, on this show, that you like him less than the guy that everybody universally disliked. But that's the thing is, Jordan Oliver, as a result, is fairly thought of.
00:14:05
Speaker
I'm not, this isn't a pro Jordan Oliver. This is merely, why is Speedball Mike Bailey? Do we have such a vacuum of guys that he's like the Mecca now of indie wrestlers? Like he's not that good. He's solid. He's a B minus. You're wrong. You're wrong. He's so good.
00:14:27
Speaker
He's fine. Oh, my God. I think especially I think we're all super hot on speedball. But I want to go to what Chris said. It's not Bret Hart selling at the end. He was in the very last match of the first session. They make a big production of how much he works the knee.
00:14:47
Speaker
The very first opening thing of the first minute of the first match is him just jumping onto the turnbuckle. Like nothing is wrong. That is bad wrestling psychology.
00:15:04
Speaker
OK, I mean, I can't argue that. His character work is terrible. He looks like he's just happy to be there. And it's like at this point, he's been around enough that when he works heelish, it can be kind of OK. He plays an OK dick. So like that's where I can kind of get into that. But like usually he's just like, I'm just smiley, happy to be here. And I just what is he doing that's that unique?
00:15:30
Speaker
Like he's just he's a solid mechanic. I'm not going to say he's not. But what am I getting at a Mike Bailey? I'm not getting somewhere else. Better wrestling matches for the most part. That's that's the thing. I think he said the best matches on the Indies consistently over the last year.
00:15:47
Speaker
And again, you could argue it's a bit of a Darth of who's on the Indies, if not like Suzuki or something. But you're wrong because Jon Moxley has been on the Indies for the last year, but I don't think Moxley's had that many great. I mean, unless you're counting the Desperado match or something.
00:16:03
Speaker
I mean, what, I mean, again, the magic in step, it was really good. I don't know if he was good. I, I think there's, I just think you're, you're responding to look, I mean, do we need someone to be skip Bayless on the show? Maybe, maybe. Um, and that's what the role facts is. I will also say, here's the thing. Here's my thing about Jordan Oliver after our experience at the Jersey J cup. So, um,
Meeting with Johnny Cashmere
00:16:32
Speaker
We get to the second show and we'll talk a little bit about our dinner at some point, because there's a wrestling related connection. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. Yes. Well, you have to find the Wikipedia page bags. Yeah.
00:16:49
Speaker
We get to the show, we set ourselves maybe like seven 30, eight o'clock start. We set ourselves up where we, where we figured we wanted to be. And we're talking a little bit to the guy next to us. If he said something, maybe we're talking about upstate because Dom's an upstate. He's like, Oh yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm in the wrestling business about managing a couple of guys up there. Like, Oh, that's cool. He's like, yeah, I used to be, um, I used to be a wrestler. And we're like, Oh, what's, what was your, what was your wrestling name? He's like Johnny cashmere. I was like,
00:17:17
Speaker
Oh, really? And now, now for those of you who are not super Northeast indie fans in the early 2000s, Johnny Cashmere was part of what was probably the biggest tag team at the time, a team with a guy named Trent acid called the backseat boys. Um,
00:17:34
Speaker
who basically dressed like the Backstreet Boys and did giant TLC, like big high spot tag team matches in CZW, Jersey All-Pro, all over the Indies, a little bit of ring of honor too. So this was, you know, an honor. And we basically, he shot
00:17:53
Speaker
the shit with us for most of the show, just talking about like, oh, little inside things and talking about the matches. But the biggest thing that he got across to me, he's like, Hey, I drove Jordan here, we're doing some stuff. And it's like, it does seem like Jordan Oliver is the most nice and respectful boy.
00:18:11
Speaker
to the, all the old indie guys. He's like, yeah, he's in the main event. He wore those, those pants out to the ring. That was a backseat boys tribute because he'd been working and doing some stuff and training with Johnny cashmere. Obviously we all know about how he's helped Nick gauge over the last year.
00:18:28
Speaker
It does seem like Jordan Oliver is a nice boy, and I really wished I liked watching him wrestle more, but he's trying hard. He's trying very, very hard. Gotta give him that. And that's the thing is that while a lot of what I'm saying is kind of anti Mike Bailey, there's two other things at play. One is, so we all thought Speedball was going to win it, but then they open up the evening session with both a trophy, which we expected. It's a cup.
00:18:55
Speaker
But then also a title belt. And we're like, wait, is this for some kind of title, too? Because then that changes the calculus, right? Because it's like, well, Mike Bailey's got to win because he's already booked against the gauge. He's already booked against the bushy. Like he's clearly the guy that they have the most investment in. But then they announced that the title is for the JCW world champion. And we're like, oh, Mike Bailey can't win that. Right. Like then that actually kind of hurts his stock against the gauge.
00:19:21
Speaker
So I think that there was something that we kind of like I think there's on some level, you know, Bailey's not going to win. So you kind of get into it. And I do have to say, since I actually saw Jordan Oliver and Nick Gage interacting in almost like brotherly way in Bhutan, I've kind of have begun to sort of like like Jordan. It's like I like him as a person. I don't like him as a wrestler yet, but I really want to.
00:19:51
Speaker
I still stand by, check out that, what was it, from a week or two ago, the Massisos versus Nick Wayne and Jordan Oliver. It was the main event of whatever city they were in that night, and it was pretty fantastic. I don't know, watching him, like, you can see- And by the way, I believe, I could be wrong, I believe for non-Dark Web subscribers to Fight Plus, I think actually GCW did post that match on their YouTube.
00:20:20
Speaker
for focus, which is not common. They don't do that a lot anymore. But I think they did for that one for whatever reason.
00:20:28
Speaker
I don't know. I just kind of started wondering about Jordan Oliver, especially seeing them have him win this tournament.
Jordan Oliver's Character Evolution
00:20:35
Speaker
And because, you know, they're certainly trying to build a guy here, like a guy who is very loyal to them and seems to be putting in a lot of work. But now that you're telling me he's also a good person that I mean, the gauge likes him. Right. What else do you need? And also, he's kind of the perfect fit for the J.C. like if it's not going to be Janela.
00:20:57
Speaker
Right. Because Janela anything with the word Jersey, Janela is always going to be number one. But if it's not if Janela doesn't want to win it, which would kind of make sense, like Jordan Oliver does kind of feel like the right guy to be the inaugural JCW world champion. Yeah, I think the hard thing with Jordan Oliver is that so I actually kind of liked his thing in MLW as part of injustice, right? Being like when those guys were heels, it got kind of weird when they had to turn baby face. But
00:21:27
Speaker
You know that kind of made sense as like a character for him and actually kind of liked him in that role. I think part of the issue for him right now is like what is like describe the character of Jordan Oliver at this point. Well, he had that character with young dumb and broke.
00:21:44
Speaker
where like they were very annoying heels. And then the story was he broke off from his boys. And I think like he had some storyline maybe with Janela or something where he was convinced like leave those puds, you're better than them. But you're right, since that time he is just a regular baby face with nothing going on.
00:22:10
Speaker
But I don't know, part of me wonders, cause I hated Hangman Page for so many years. I wonder if he can get to that Hangman thing where it just like something clicks and a better character comes out. Maybe.
00:22:27
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I always liked Hangman, but I see what you're saying. I think they'll like, cause Hangman definitely, and I liked Hangman from the go, but like when he started doing those hung bucks six man, like a big shock, you start doing six man tags with the young bucks, you start looking like a million dollars. But like, I do wonder where, you know, it's a different thing from a work standpoint, but like, why not lean into the real world stuff and just kind of make him Nick Gage's young boy?
00:22:55
Speaker
I feel like that could be tremendous.
00:22:59
Speaker
Yeah, and really just, because then they could also turn on each other, right, as the rest of the story. Or not, just do the match anyway. Or, I mean, because being Gage's young boy, right, I mean, there's a built-in story to, what does it mean to be Gage's young boy in terms of doing a tag match with him and supporting him? What kind of shit does that get Jordan Oliver into? How does that sort of expand his character and expand his story in certain ways?
00:23:28
Speaker
So, yeah, I do think there is something to be said for that of of letting I don't know the him and Nick Wayne thing feels like they're cosplaying as the rockers is the characters, right? Speaking. Well, and I also feel like the vignettes they could do of Nick Gage telling him not how to not end up in jail could be his. And why he doesn't want to go to jail.
00:23:55
Speaker
Either that, or based on, again, the fact that he's apparently like chilling with Johnny cashmere. I think, I think you can just name Jordan Oliver. Now, apparently they are there's he's Johnny cashmere is going to manage a tag team. It's going to be like the new backseat boys. Um, but I think, I think Jordan Oliver could be the backseat boy.
00:24:15
Speaker
Just, he's just, he's going out, he's trying to take down the ladies. You know, watch out, watch out women at the GCW show. Jordan Oliver's ready for you and he's got his car parked right behind the VFW hall. Do you think Rob Black's gonna give him a big push? Exactly. I think, you know, you're saying Speedball doesn't have a character. He is a Canadian karate kid.
00:24:43
Speaker
That is it. That's it. That's the whole fucking character. I don't even know if you need more than that. That's a babyface character. He's fucking the karate kid. Jordan Oliver has nothing.
00:24:53
Speaker
He is just a guy who comes out and does the stomp like arm thing. Listen. And the same chant from the group he broke up with. Yeah, you keep you keep insisting that I'm Projourn Oliver. I'm not. I'm anti Mike Bailey. I want to like him. But again, all of the gaps you mentioned are true. And that's why we're trying to fantasy book ways to solve it, because I want to see that can be successful. Whereas Mike Bailey. No, it's a it is a really bad
00:25:21
Speaker
character that was bad at first and gets much worse as it just keeps going. Where if you just look at you watch that match, right? You just watch that match. And it's just like, which one of these guys feel like they actually have a higher ceiling to me? It's Jordan Oliver, and it's not even close.
00:25:43
Speaker
Right? If you take the character work is if you just watch that match and you don't know that he's just still saying these catchphrases from a group that has been gone technically for a while. It's like the crowds into him. He has some catchphrases. He has some charisma. Mike Bailey has none of those things. Mike Bailey looks like the kid trying to play with a fucking lightsaber in that YouTube video. But he's supposed to be a baby face.
00:26:12
Speaker
Like, so is he too much of a dork for you? No, it's the fact that I legitimately don't think he thinks he's a dork, which is crazy to me. And I did not think that until last Saturday. I don't know. He invaded Scott got married. I feel like they're both dorks. I feel like they're they love being dorks together. That's got to be it feels like the basis of their relationship.
00:26:40
Speaker
I say on Valentine's Day. You think he thinks karate is too cool.
00:26:45
Speaker
I think he thinks he's hot shit. So I think that he's just like, everybody loves me. Ergo, which they do like to be fair in like that kind of audience. So he's like, therefore, everything I'm doing is fucking dynamite. And like when you just look at like, did you watch the the night to the of the Jacob or the first night like that first match with him and commander?
00:27:11
Speaker
was excruciating. He just keeps smiling. And it's like, this is just boring. This is terrible shit. And you're not selling literally the main point of the first three hours of show. Like, yeah, I just hate him. I don't know what to tell you, man. You know who we love, though, Garrett? You know who we love? I have a feeling. What's his name, Fax? I can't remember his name.
00:27:40
Speaker
Oh, that large gentleman.
00:27:43
Speaker
The large gentleman who was on the wall of the German restaurant. Oh, I'm right above our table. I'm not going to lie. I thought that we were going with Beastman. I thought we were going with Beastman too. So, but let's transition. Kind of a proto Beastman, Garrett. So, so again, these guys go to the after the early session. I meet them at this place in Jersey City worst bar, which is exactly what it sounds like. And there's this picture hanging over Professor Tom of this very large
00:28:13
Speaker
old timey wrestler giant. So his name is Blimp Levy.
Life and Times of Blimp Levy
00:28:20
Speaker
And he was one of the biggest wrestlers in all sense of the word in the 1930s and 1940s. Just a couple of quotes from Wikipedia, the Boston Globe stated there's no one challenging his claim to being the world's biggest wrestler. And, you know,
00:28:40
Speaker
no living human today can outdraw the living blimp is another quote. But he had this incredible I just have to read about like the end of his career and his death. So this fascinating guy.
00:28:56
Speaker
So later life and death. So by the mid-1940s, so he doesn't die till like 1960 or something. By the mid-1940s, Levy's health was failing. The Connecticut State Athletic Commission revoked his professional wrestling license on the recommendation of physicians who examined him. Following this, Levy briefly performed abroad in Malaysia and Singapore.
00:29:18
Speaker
Levy's crew came to an end around 1951, though he continued to make promotional appearances billed as the 944-pound fat man. Prior to a September 9, 1961 appearance at the 54th annual Tennessee State Fair, Levy suffered a very mild heart attack in his trailer, only to return to the stage before the end of the fair's run.
00:29:45
Speaker
Levy died less than two months later in his Alabama trailer park home at the age of 58, weighing over 900 pounds. Now, I do have to go into the next section of Wikipedia because it goes directly from that. Died at 58, reportedly weighing 900 pounds. Next sentence, personal life. Levy was married several times.
00:30:11
Speaker
And then they go to it. He was a player. He was a player. There's two things about the blimp. Pretty good wrestler, master coxman. He also went by the bad rabbi. That's actually how I originally found them. I did a Google image search of the poster and the thing bad rabbi. That was apparently a character he played that's based on like some poem or like literary character.
00:30:38
Speaker
that I guess people in the 30s would have known about, but we don't. A real dated reference for us. Yeah. Before Ric Flair wanted the ladies to ride Space Mountain.
00:30:49
Speaker
You could ride the blimp, you know what I mean? You know what I mean? And when this gentleman erupts, the levee breaks. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. So Chris sent the Google images of this man while you were talking facts. The first photo that popped up is just a close-up of this man's face. Yes.
00:31:14
Speaker
based on looking at just his head before I saw the other 890 pounds of him below, I'm not gonna, I'm not convinced he wasn't reincarnated as Conrad Thompson. I'm also sharing one, by the way, with a lady on his lap, just showing all 900 pounds of him absolute stone cold pimp.
00:31:44
Speaker
which kind of like Conrad is married. So, I mean, Conrad must be able to throw at least decent dick. The caption to that photo is amazing facts. The heaviest wrestler of all time, Martin Levy of Boston called the blimp. He weighed 642 pounds. The 90 pound little lady married the large lump of lard, but the union did not last.
00:32:14
Speaker
That's how they talked about it in the newspaper? Yes, that's a newspaper.
00:32:18
Speaker
That's a newspaper. Well, because they knew he was a fuck machine and it wasn't going to last, not because he was too heavy or because he was going to die of a heart attack. That only happened to one of his wives. All the rest of them fuck machine. What were the quality of these these women? This feels very mean to say, but like I feel like there are a certain number of people
00:32:44
Speaker
that would like, I kind of want to know what it's like to fuck a 900-pound man. Like it is, it's a morbid curiosity thing more than a long-term relationship. But back then, you had to get married to someone to fuck them, right? So therefore, a lot of that, and also remember, we're talking 30s, we're talking 40s, even to the 50s. Like, TV's not really that big a thing, right? Until like the 50s. So,
00:33:13
Speaker
Like this guy doing like fairs and doing big wrestling matches at fairs. And they're writing about him in the Boston Globe. Like he's pretty famous by by that day. So like those early kind of, you know, star fuckers. Yeah, I mean, the pictures good looking.
00:33:34
Speaker
I don't care a lot about people just wildly spreading their seed during the Great Depression. And I don't know, I mean, I'm looking at the guy like he's, you know, he's got a nice smile, his head's cute. Apparently he ate a lot of potatoes and milk.
00:33:52
Speaker
Not much pussy, though. He couldn't get he couldn't get down to it. Oh, oh, yeah, they talked about his he literally they have a recipe for what he would eat every night. And it literally gave potatoes bite the bushel for a single person in a single day. But we were talking last week about like Batista doing the whale seriously with all the hotness of wrestling and and pristine TV.
00:34:20
Speaker
How is no one developing a show on the blimp? Right? Does that... He already did The Wrestler. Now he's like, you saw his movie The Wrestler. You saw his movie The Whale. Now we're going to combine the fucking two.
00:34:36
Speaker
Well, I mean, Requiem for a dream. This guy's definitely got some addiction to food. That's that's got to be pretty intense. He's having heart attacks and still going on the show. He doesn't know what the fuck's happening. He's at creepy fairs during the Depression and World War Two. Like this is I'm I'll pay for a star subscription right now. All right. All right. I'll update my copy of Final Draft and get going on this guy.
00:35:18
Speaker
He's exposed, full frontal nudity, and we see he's quite well endowed.
00:35:26
Speaker
Curiously so. I'm looking at this lady sitting on his lap and honestly like it just looks like an old picture of my grandmother. And it that upsets me a little bit actually. Imagine you found that a bit like, Oh, you know, great, great Grammy, great Grammy Smith.
00:35:44
Speaker
You know, we don't really talk about her much. She died when you were young, but you've seen the pictures. Oh yeah. Yeah. She actually, uh, wasn't common at the time. So they didn't talk about it, but she was married twice before your grandpa. She was married to blimp levy. She lived in a trailer in Alabama with the blimp for two years.
00:36:05
Speaker
It didn't work out surprisingly. And when you talk about this guy, like how he had a mild heart attack and then went and wrestled, it makes it feel like how Dick Cheney, just every little bit would have a little heart attack, where it's like a Chris Farley-like boundary.
00:36:25
Speaker
I absolutely don't worry. It's just a mild heart attack. Imagine reffing or like working that guy and he's just like, like, are you okay? Should we stop that? No, it's just a mild heart attack. We'll keep going. Put me in a leg lock. Put me in a leg lock. I'll recover. We'll come. We'll do the comeback. It kind of sucks that we could never see him. Well, one, we don't get to see him at all because you know, the
00:36:47
Speaker
If there was footage of it, it would be like the train pulling up to the station and the very first recorded film ever. He's the train, yeah. He's the blips, or he's the fucking, if he had made it long enough, he would have been the Hindenburg. But this guy, I bet AJ Styles could have gotten a good match out of him. And especially Logan Paul. Like, I don't know if you've seen that guy's flips. And when he does his buckshot lyric, he couldn't get him over.
00:37:16
Speaker
God damn, I'm fascinated. I can't stop looking at him. Yeah, I think we should all transition to a wrestler that is, he's all the things that Rob Black is not. He is our knight, our shining knight in armor. And we've been talking about the Jersey J Cup and how we spent our weekend. And Garrett, you had an experience with the Beastman, didn't you?
Beastman Match and Backstage Antics
00:37:44
Speaker
I did, guys, and this was bizarre. I text you guys seconds after I found this out. It was about 6.30 p.m. Central Standard Time, and I open up Instagram, and I see that Beastman had just posted a photo of Coastal Championship Wrestling, and the captioner said, Nashville, I'm in town.
00:38:11
Speaker
And it, I'll be honest, it was kind of hurtful that he told me about that show like that. It was 90 minutes until bell time that he even promoted this show. And now he's just five minutes from my house. And this is how I find out. I mean, it felt like if a friend invites you to something day of
00:38:32
Speaker
within a couple like within an hour which means you found out about a party you weren't supposed to know about and this was the invite that they give you hoping that you don't show up. This is kind of like the like in the modern day it's almost like i don't know if you ever had that that i don't know how you know that girl that was maybe.
00:38:53
Speaker
You just couldn't fully disengage from, but you were kind of done with and you might send the like, Oh, we're going to this bar, but like you don't send the text until you're leaving. Right. So that way, like if she follows, she sees it on social media the next day. It's like, Oh yeah, no, see, I was there. But like, you don't actually want to want to see them there.
00:39:14
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think it's almost like Beastman's heard about you talking about his vacation. Didn't want to see there, Garrett. He we know that he's been to impractical jokers multiple times. We know he took his fiance to Buca de Beppo. We know like this is information he has given us. Maybe he doesn't like us talking about it. I don't know. Either way. Oh, go ahead. But I'm just realizing that a lot of these pieces are coming together. Beastman and Chris Jericho have a lot in common.
00:39:43
Speaker
Like they probably have met in a social setting and not even realized each other were pro wrestlers. They met while their their ladies were forming the capital. Oh, you know, I was going to defend Beastwoman, but, you know, she is from West Virginia. I'm presuming you never know. But yeah, so I really.
00:40:10
Speaker
Believe it or not, I had had a full day of grouting again, and I didn't trust that CCW was gonna wanna keep the grouters happy. And I was like, this is gonna be a multi-hour show, but it is a five-minute drive from my house. And Chris sending me, I think, three times in all caps, go, go, go, made me feel so guilty that I was like, I have to leave the house now and go to this. And I'll tell you,
00:40:39
Speaker
I put on my going out Jordans. I put a little gel in my hair. I got gussied up for an evening out, Chris. As you should for Beastman. Yeah, Beastman deserves it. I wanted to make a good impression. I was like, tonight is the night I will speak to the Beast. I went a little late. I think I arrived to the Red Con 1 gym about 8.30, because I'm like, I'm not going to see all this show.
00:41:04
Speaker
When I get there, you get to the front desk, the gyms already closed, you have to sign a waiver just to enter the gym. Because, you know, the gym doesn't want to be responsible for you getting landed on by a maniac in the back room. And when I get to the table,
00:41:21
Speaker
The, this guy in a suit is a, is the, the doorman and he says, can I help you? And I was like, yeah. And I just like pointed the wrestling and he's like, Oh, are you here with someone? And I said, no, I'm just here here for the wrestling. And then he looked ashamed and he's like, well, it's, it's going to cost you $20.
00:41:51
Speaker
And the way he said it was like, yeah, I know. Like, I just randomly show up to this gym thinking like, I'm gonna go watch free wrestle. I don't know why he said it to me that way. Like, did- Well, probably because you were like, so I heard this wrestler I like on Instagram said he was at your gym.
00:42:12
Speaker
Well, and as I go to hand him the $20 bill, I pulled it back and just said, has Beastman already wrestled? And then he said, no. And then I re-extended the $20 bill. Smart. That's smart, Gary. I wasn't going to get fucking tricked into it. How deep into the show did you arrive?
00:42:29
Speaker
About a half hour in, I believe it started at eight. And Beastman went on around nine, 10. So it seemed like the whole show was probably over by 10 o'clock based on when the main event started. I left before- Did you leave immediately after Beastman? I didn't. I stayed for a women's match and then the main event came on. So I saw maybe before Beastman two, three matches.
00:42:53
Speaker
Who did Beastman wrestle? Beastman wrestled a guy named Ozzy Kilmeister. So he took the name of Ozzy Osbourne and the last name of Limmy Kilmeister and made Ozzy Kilmeister. He had a tattoo across his tummy that said mosh and a drippy blood font. And it was for that same title that I saw Beastman win the last time I went to this thing.
00:43:23
Speaker
It ended up being about a 16 minute match. But honestly, the real story for me about this show, it took place before the match.
00:43:36
Speaker
So as I go stand against this gym equipment, which there were so many people at this guys, like I was expecting there to be 15 people in this room. The way they had it set up, there were two rows of seats on three sides of the ring. And then one side, they're like a hundred fucking people.
00:43:54
Speaker
losing their shit. They have one guy filming this with an iPhone. So when this video comes out, it's going to sound like a million people there, but you will see two rows of people sitting and me leaning against a piece of gym equipment. And she was this VCW or what was it? CCW. So it is, as far as I know, it is Gangrels Wrestling School's promotion, which was having another show the same night in a different state.
00:44:21
Speaker
Okay. What does the C stand for? Coastal Championship Wrestling. I think they're out of Florida. What coast is Dash Shield here?
00:44:36
Speaker
as I'm leaning against the gym equipment. You didn't answer the question. I didn't answer. Don't don't make me answer that. I mean, that doesn't make sense, guys. It's kind of like when Vince would be like, I got Hogan for the A show and then everybody else can do the B show. That's clearly Gangrel with Beastman. Just you send Beastman to one city, all your other top talent to the other city. They both sell out. Right. QT Marshall, Brian Cage. Everybody must have been in Texas at the brewery that night and
00:45:05
Speaker
Luckily, they sent Beastman to me. But as I'm watching this show, which a lot of these wrestlers look like if somebody were going to make something about 80s wrestlers, it would be the people I saw wrestling. Not necessarily bad, but nobody has a look of somebody that you're like, this is the next guy. They look very dated in this promotion kind of. But not a lot of steroids, maybe?
00:45:35
Speaker
Yeah, I would say less. So maybe even none. So it's not like it's like people who like learned about 80s wrestlers but don't really want to follow in their footsteps. But you're saying like it's like the look and like the character. The character work and like. So like so like Speedball would do great there. Shut your goddamn mouth. Speedball would never step foot in the red con one gym Kenny Omega attended the grand opening of.
00:46:03
Speaker
But as I think second match is going and out the front door, I see Beastman walking around inside the gym. And I think now is now is my time. I'm going to go bother him. Of course. So as I walk out, was he wearing the Ace Ventura jersey? He had on that Roser Brody shirt. We've seen him wrestle in an Appalachian. Nice. Got it.
00:46:26
Speaker
And as I walk out, getting ready to walk out, the suit man is still sitting by the front door and he's like, can I help you? And I was like, I didn't want to say I'm going to go bother beast man. So I said, Oh, I'm going to go find the restroom. And then he goes, let me take you there. And then suit man leaves his station and walks me through the gym. Like, so I see beast man. I'm like, well,
00:46:50
Speaker
I guess I'm not talking to Beastman. I'm going to go pretend to use the restroom. And he takes me to the gym locker room that is the dressing room for the pro wrestlers. So I am now in a room with everybody in CCW, heels and baby faces mingling. It really fucking crushed it for me. Hanging down.
00:47:10
Speaker
hanging dong just chatting up I go pee next to some wrestler and I go to wash my hands and the guy who's in the next match he sees me and he goes where have you been fucking don't know please and I go back out I see beast man
00:47:29
Speaker
And I kind of like have to stalk a little bit. Like, so it wasn't easy. I could just walk up to him. Cause it looked like he was being very friendly to the wrestlers that were about to go out, like hyping them up, getting everybody fucking pumped and like go get them fellas. So I had to like pace back a little bit and I go over to beast man and I just say, Hey man, I'm a huge fan. And he re I reached out my fist to like, give him a fist bump. And he gave me the most annoyed look.
00:47:59
Speaker
And he bumped my fist and then just kinda did this. And he even shook his head in a way that was weird. He gave me hang loose to the folks listening and then just disappeared into the locker room. Did not say a word to me. You were outside the locker room by the time this happened, you're saying? Correct. He was getting ready to enter the locker room and I was standing outside of it.
00:48:24
Speaker
And maybe he was just in Beastman mode, you know? That's what I wondered, but he didn't even have his fuzzies on. He had nothing furry on. Like his match was next, but the match before had literally like they were getting ready to go out the curtain. So, you know, he had 15 minutes until his match or something. Now, did you try to get a Beastman, Beastman, Huskhuskhuschant going just out of curiosity? You wouldn't have known that yet, but. I felt too weird.
00:48:53
Speaker
Because I was like, how hard do I cheer for the man who doesn't seem like he wants me here? Because the whole crowd is cheering against him during the match. Yeah, and you kind of need a second person, right? That way you're not totally on your own. Like, I'm some weirdo in the back that's like, that's the fucking asshole that talks about my personal life too much on a weird podcast. And he stalked me to the gym and tried to follow me into the bathroom. And I got these people from Spain that keep emailing me.
00:49:23
Speaker
I don't know what their deal is. Well, it's interesting because like when we saw him at GCW the first time, I found him very warm. And but I think maybe it's because it was like GCW. It's it's a bigger promotion that maybe like and we very much was like, hey, Beastman. And like it was very clear we knew who the fuck he was. I don't know. Maybe he took it as like, you don't know who I am.
00:49:47
Speaker
Don't bust my balls. This is, I know where I am. Whereas like, I think at GCW in, in boot, the Mecca, he's like, okay, these, the people in boot know who beast man is. So you're saying he thought he's like, these guys are smartened up and I'm some fucking hillbilly putt. Yeah. Like just went and talked to a large guy outside the bathroom. Or just that you're trying to make him putt of the week or something.
00:50:12
Speaker
He's never going to be part of the week. Has he even listened to the show? Has he only heard the parts where we're weird about him? We've given him so much praise. We've also been kind of weird about him. No, no, no. I don't think he necessarily knew you were you, although if he did knew you were you, that might explain
00:50:30
Speaker
how far out of the way the suit guy went to make sure you weren't near him alone at any point. Because he did. He made sure to take me far away from beast man. And I lingered to get to the beast man. So because it was definitely like it was definitely like beast man's like, listen, I've only heard the guy on the podcast. I don't actually know exactly what he looks like. I'm going to go out on a limb, say he's going to be
00:51:06
Speaker
And he goes, and then and then like the guy at the door is like, OK, it's every single person that's come in has fit this description. But then then it's person 110 that does the pulls the 20 back, asked him a piece and he's like, Oh, OK. This is this is the guy. This is the guy. So speaking of how people looked, there were a lot of like this was a bizarre. That's such a bizarre show because there were, like I said, a lot of people there.
00:51:21
Speaker
you know, maybe a little hefty. Glasses, white guy beard.
00:51:34
Speaker
And I go to pretty much all the wrestling shows that happen in Nashville, I'd say. I didn't recognize a single person. But there were people there that brought their WWE belts and were losing their minds. I'm like, how is this? How did you get here? How did you find this? And I didn't know about this. And also, you see a lot of us, people that look like the three of us.
00:52:02
Speaker
But there were so many beautiful women in the room. And that was unusual for a wrestling show. Yeah, I mean, he might be going the blimp levy route himself and there might be multiple beast women in waiting. Yeah. Or maybe they work at the gym.
00:52:22
Speaker
That's what I wondered. I'm like, are these all ladies that were like happened to be working out? And they're like, do you want to come in? It's free. Right. Like they say it's $20. Suit guys like come on in. Come on in. But they were all like into it. Everybody and everybody was like having so much fun. And like it really elevated a show.
00:52:44
Speaker
that if I had been at, you know, 15 people and not that much noise, it immediately made the show more exciting. But I was so confused. There was like groups of ladies there that were just groups of ladies that you don't see a lot of it. It wrestling shows, especially like a weird wrestling show in the back room of a gym on a Saturday night in Nashville. I mean, I feel Bachelorette. I'm not.
00:53:09
Speaker
I'm not going to lie, if they do that same show that you're describing, but it's in some random bar in Queens, Chris and I go and we literally know every single person there. Like I at least know your I.G. handle. Everyone there. Right. It's like a reunion. You're like, oh, my God, it's been a while since we've seen each other. But how's it going? Oh, hey, Mittens, what's up?
00:53:37
Speaker
Yeah, and it was fucking bizarre. And the fact that they just, it bothered me so much that that dude never decided to make the backdrop of the show the hundred fucking people losing their mind off camera. And instead the whole show is me leaning on a piece of gym equipment. Like I will be in the background of 90% of that show. I guess, did you watch the, are we visible in the Jacob? Did you? I tried to find you, but I couldn't,
00:54:05
Speaker
It's too dark. I could tell you from when I was watching the first thing, again, Chris, it looks like anything outside of the first row. It's like complete darkness, even though it did not feel like that in the room. But you could see the outline of a balcony. Honestly, the way it was lit for television made the room seem a lot bigger than I'm sure it is. It was shot very, very well. I thought it looked very nice on television.
00:54:31
Speaker
Stunned because when I was watching night one and I knew that night two was almost sold out It was down a GA and I'm like they keep talking during commentary how there's how there's tickets for the night session still available like we're it looks fucking jammed and then when we got there there was actually a long-ass line which then reinforced it and I definitely was when we posted up I was surprised that That it wasn't a bigger place because it really felt like on TV. It was big although it was a
00:55:02
Speaker
a good crowd. Yeah. You're saying there's no camera shots of me and Johnny Cash are becoming best friends. Not that I saw, but you would know better where you were in the room than I did. So, you know, I'll keep an eye out. I didn't finish the show yet. I saw the I got the end ruined for me through Instagram. But I really liked what I saw. It was it was fun. I think that not. I think you saw the better show.
00:55:31
Speaker
But that being said, I was very entertained with CCW. They said their next show's in April. It is five minutes from my house. And if the doorman is willing to accept my 20 again, I'll probably try and go. How was Beastman versus Ozzy Kilmeister? Whoever that is. I thought it was fun. He did retain. It was, I think, like entrances and finish and everything. It was like 16 minutes. I filmed the entire thing for you guys, which I'll send you.
00:55:59
Speaker
So he didn't he didn't just deal for him right away. That's what we need to see now. He the crowd was super behind the other guy. And I wondered, like, now that Beastman seems to own his own promotion, is he going to drop this title and never come back to Nashville? Very surprised to see him see him retain. Is is maybe Ozzy Kilmeister like a local like Nashville guy? Like, you'd know that wouldn't you?
00:56:27
Speaker
Or just, Hey, we're music city. We're going to go with the guy with the music name. That actually very well could have been the case. Um, cause I think all these guys are mostly in Florida. I thought these were all like this promotions people. Uh, I mean, it's certainly not a guy I've ever seen at Southern Underground pro, which at this point, honestly, Nashville doesn't even have.
00:56:50
Speaker
an independent promotion because they don't run. So I don't know. Maybe we need to start one, guys. Well, I'm going to a non-Indie show with no Speedball because it's not an Indie. It's people that actually are suitable for national television.
00:57:11
Speaker
And I'm going to a show on Friday. I'm probably not going to be on the next episode to tell the viewers. So those download numbers should go up by me saying that in advance because I'm going to be in Mexico City. And on Friday night, I am seeing a show in Arena, Mexico. The poster came out. I am super fucking excited for it. And it's funny because before we were recording, Garrett, you and I were talking about how
Anticipating Arena Mexico Trip
00:57:35
Speaker
I am so not excited for dynamite every week. And like this is the exact I was so excited for the Jersey J Cup. I am so excited to see some mucho Libre in Arena, Mexico. And I don't know. I'm just I just can't get it up for AEW and even WWE. I know a lot of people are kind of getting into the WrestleMania season. I'm not one of them. I'm just like, I'll watch the three minute clip of the Cody promo. I'm set.
00:58:03
Speaker
But you're about to check a fucking bucket list wrestle venue off. So that's I mean, that's something to be excited about. Yeah, I mean, it really like as much like it's really going to be the the the Buffalo Wild Wings is going to be my number one location after this, I think.
00:58:21
Speaker
Yeah, I'm excited. I was trying to figure out some, some traveling for this year. And I said conversation with my wife where I explained, look, you know, we got to figure out timing. And if it doesn't work out, you just need to allow me to drive to West Virginia one weekend. That's really, that's really the most important thing on my emotional list for the year.
00:58:42
Speaker
is a trip to West Virginia. I can certainly get away for a weekend to go to West Virginia. Getting away for a longer period of time right now for Japan is a little harder, but I can find my way to West Virginia. Well, it's easy, guys. We wait for them to promote a show there that Shane Douglas is going to be at. Garrett, you talk about some stuff you want to do in Jersey. Maybe we can catch a booting show. You come up to us. Then we all go from booting.
00:59:11
Speaker
We follow the route through Philly that we think Shane Douglas is going to take. Whoever's riding shotgun follows the Appalachian Facebook, where presumably there will be check ins for every fast food place, bathroom, rest stop, gas station. They stop in and we'll just follow the direct route of Sandman, Sabu and
00:59:34
Speaker
Uh, and the franchise down to West Virginia will make franchise loves. He's still using four square. He's the last person in four square. The problem is like somewhere down the line, we stop at like a wah wah or something. We run into Shane Douglas and he sees me and he goes, you're the guy that freaked out beast man. And I, it turns out I'm also on a list in West Virginia that I'm not allowed in even with a fresh 20.
00:59:59
Speaker
And it's fine. We, we switch cars. I get in the Shane Douglas car, Shane Douglas night podcast for like a solid hour. The audio is going to be terrible, but we're going to use it anyway. Sandman goes in your car, Garrett. And the whole time he's just drinking beers and doing cocaine and I'm driving. I'm like, I'm uncomfortable with this. What if we get pulled over? And he's like, don't be a pussy.
01:00:26
Speaker
He's like, I got, I got a piss like, Oh my God, let me pull over. He's like, don't pull over you pussy. You got a window. I look over his dicks just out and aimed at me. Stop. You're getting your Budweiser. No, but it's like your, your car's going like 65, 68 miles per hour down there. So he's just pissing and it's just immediately going back into directly into him because of the friction of the air coming in.
01:00:53
Speaker
And then when you guys finally get there, and Shane Douglas sees him like that, and he's like, yep, yeah, that happens pretty much every time. That's considered me paying my dues to be able to get back into the show. You gotta do that, and you gotta pay for the wings. You gotta pay for the wings.
01:01:15
Speaker
Meanwhile, facts and Sabu are just discussing marketing, right? Sabu's, he's building out a lot of that Instagram merch through the various sellers. They're talking about SEO. Sabu just wants to get, it's a deep conversation. We're getting into crypto, but not the normal crypto that anybody talks about. Really wrestling specific NFTs.
01:01:43
Speaker
And then on my trip, Sandman's like, let me tell you about Krypto, and I'm like, please don't. And then just like, whatever we get to the show, but then when you get back to your car after the show, there's just a turd at the backseat. Just be like, guys, I don't want to accuse anybody of anything.
01:02:06
Speaker
But I'm pretty sure, and I don't know why he was sitting in the back. I'm not an Uber driver. The front seat was open. Same. And since sitting in the back, pretty sure he took a poop. He's like, Garrett, your name was Garrett, right? Let me tell you a joke. What does a handbag in the WWE locker room and your rental car have in common? Garrett, just like that band Jesus Jones, just like Garrett.
01:02:36
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, man, I and then, though, I feel like we get in with them and then Shane Douglas and Sabu and Sandman just passed out. They extend the olive blanch. And that's how we finally get on the inside track with Beastman. And we become his new commentary crew for VCW. I like it.
01:03:04
Speaker
I'm afraid, I don't want this trip. I barely wanna meet Sandman at a merge table, let alone be in an uncomfortable car ride for a few hours while he's shotgunning beer. The cop pulls me over, he's like, you smell like beer and piss. And I'm like, it's him, it's not me. I mean, based on my experience of Sandman at merge tables, there's a good chance he's just gonna pass out.
01:03:30
Speaker
Like the experience we're describing is like 10 minutes of a like three hour drive, the rest of which is just him snoring behind you. You'll get pulled over. They'll smell the obviously for that cigarettes to beer, cigarettes, piss. And they're just like, you know, sir, can you roll down the window license? Oh, Jimmy, you got another guy do it driving your like they're just used to it. Like, oh, yeah.
01:04:00
Speaker
I guess Beastman's in town. I got the show tomorrow. It's like, if you gave like a toddler a Mountain Dew, it's going to be like 15 minutes of hell followed by just a, just a coma. Right. Exactly. Okay. So Chris, earlier you sent us an article where Cody Rhodes was, uh, was, was chatting about the state of AEW.
AEW's Current Perception
01:04:26
Speaker
Well, but the all out and we talked about many things we talked about. Yeah. But yeah, you talked about the all out incident. Where where are you? Like facts and I kind of talked about it before the mics were on. It in the last little bit doesn't feel like must watch TV to me.
01:04:45
Speaker
Right now, not to say that it won't get back to there. Well, and I'm going to and I'm going to give you the one thing that is must watch about AEW. And it's what we've been lacking. And it kind of fits into one of the larger themes is we love indie wrestling. We love kind of hardcore wrestling. Like that's where we're all gravitating. That's where this podcast is gravitating. So you still need to watch AEW to see if a guy shows up.
01:05:08
Speaker
Right? Like that's the real thing is like, I want to see one of my guys show up, but it feels like that's not really happening anymore. Right? They kind of have mined everybody from the indie scene. And I mean, right before, right at the beginning of the Jersey, Jacob, actually the night session, I says about, man, it'd be cool to see speed ball and AWW. And before fax, his opinion had fully hardened that he hated speed ball. He did make a good point in regards that, which is like,
01:05:37
Speaker
For what, right? Like what, if, if AEW signs speed ball tomorrow, what are they going to, what do they have space to do with him? Like sure. He could have a couple of good wrestling matches. Great. But I mean, legitimate, like Jay white is a free agent. Unless they were going to strap a rocket to him and they had an idea of like the next three main events they were going to do with Jay white.
01:06:00
Speaker
What would be the point? They signed Juice Robinson. He's had two fucking matches on TV and I'm not the biggest Juice Robinson fan. But what was the point of signing the guy? What's the point? Yeah, like even a guy like Kip Sabian, right? Where are you telling me that there's not at least two or three Kip Sabian bangers that would have happened in the last year if he was just on the indie scene instead of on AEW? Yeah. Yeah.
01:06:27
Speaker
Yeah, I think we're, I mean, I'm with you guys. I mean, I enjoy AW, I watch it every week, I have a good time. But yeah, and part of what Cody said was about, you know, a little bit about the spirit of AW. Now you can...
01:06:41
Speaker
have your own opinion about Cody's version of that or what he means there. But I do think there is something to the idea that, and we've talked about it a little bit, right? That AW had a certain energy to it early on that doesn't quite feel like it's the same. Right now it feels like
01:06:59
Speaker
A good it's a wrestling show. I prefer to WWE. That's nice. I like having a good show to watch every week, but I also don't feel connected to it the same way. It's to me, it's like it's like law and order SVU. It's not like every episode of Breaking Bad or the Sopranos were like, I need to see every episode anymore. It's just every episode. I'm like not excited. It's just kind of there. I enjoy it every time.
01:07:27
Speaker
Right. I will admit, I've been enjoying it more now that I watch it after the fact and I can I can fast forward through stuff and I fast through most, if not all of Rampage. But like I definitely enjoy it all the time. I just it's hard to get excited for. Whereas like the Jersey, Jacob, I was fucking excited for that. Right. WrestleMania weekend. You know, again, I'll be excited for the Sami Zayn Roman Reigns match.
01:07:54
Speaker
I'm going to be in Mexico, so I'm probably not going to watch it until I get back. But like, I'm a little excited for that. I also realized I'm actually going to be out of town, not home for the next AEW papers. I literally just read that, realized that as we were sitting down to record.
01:08:11
Speaker
And I'm like, eh, that's fine. What's the date of the next one? Is it March 4th or March 5th? I forget whatever, whatever that's the first, it's the Sunday, Sunday, March, Sunday, March 5th. Yeah. So I'm going to be on a Sunday pay per view. Yeah. I'm going to be on for a non-holiday weekend. I'm going to be on a plane home and I'm kind of like, all right, I mean, I'll probably just read the reviews and then I'll decide if I'm going to buy it.
01:08:36
Speaker
Yeah, I'm going to be in. I'm going to be in in Memphis. So I'll be probably I don't know. Maybe I'll go to. No, I'm going to be with my wife. There's no way I'm convinced to go to Jerry Lawler's bar to watch a pay-per-view. Nor nor should I. I mean, nor does anyone. No, you know, that's disgusting.
01:08:58
Speaker
then there's no way Jerry's going to be there. He thought, no, Jerry recovers some things pretty quickly. He might be back from the stroke. He might be like, Hey guys, is it going? Couldn't stay away. I'm doing a match out in the back. Anyone want to watch on right on Beale Street? I'm going to do, I'm going to wrestle. Uh, I'm going to wrestle Coco beware. Yes. See, but there's no way Jerry Lawler's paying for the pay-per-view though. Right. Like he's showing problems. Yeah. He's showing old like 1978 Andy Kaufman matches. Right. The on loop, the same ones he's shown at that bar since the day it opened.
01:09:28
Speaker
He's not she's not shelling out for Peacock, let alone 60 bucks for the AEW pay-per-view. Well, they got the bartender's Peacock account that came free with his Comcast subscription.
01:09:42
Speaker
Which we should say, you know, our, our IP to Jerry Jarrett, who like, uh, I don't know anyone, anyone who can claim to be the promoter for, uh, Jerry Lawler versus Andy Kaufman has my undying respect. Um, and he fathered the, uh, the greatest carny of all time in his son. So, um, you know, rest in peace to, uh, to the original double J.
01:10:08
Speaker
Yeah, for sure. And a guy you don't really hear a lot bad about, quite frankly, like considering he just feels like he's of that era that people should have nothing but horrible things to say about him. Yet they legitimately don't. Yeah. I mean, they will point out that he paid them like twenty five dollars, but that was about it. That's really the that's the downside. He didn't pay you a lot of money. You know, the 90s.
01:10:34
Speaker
With inflation, that's more than they make now. It's probably true. Oh wait. And Garrett, speaking of how much they make, that was that you, you told me to remind you, and I think we're almost winding down. So let's get one last topic in. I don't know how accurate this is. I saw a list that claimed this is how much
01:10:56
Speaker
the top AEW wrestlers are making. And I don't know where this would have come from. I don't know if this is even public knowledge, but it said Moxley makes six million. Jericho and Omega, Jericho, Omega and Punk were making three million.
01:11:16
Speaker
Daniel Sin, Pac, the Young Bucks, and the Lucha Bros, all making two million. That's why it feels not real, because Pac is not- This does not sound right. Yeah, Pac sounds like he's making too much. Also, I can't imagine the delta between Mox and those other guys is that big. Well, he worked a lot of overtime this year. He put extra hours in at the office. In his contract, every time he blades, there's a bonus, and that's actually why.
01:11:45
Speaker
Every time he bleeds in a match. The other guys took too many weeks off, taking vacations, seeing their kids, seeing their families. Mox is there to put in work. He actually didn't even know he was getting paid for most of those debts. So when did Mox sign the new contract? Last summer, I think they said.
01:12:10
Speaker
Cause I thought if it, if that's the timeline, I would think whatever CM punk was making would have been far more than any of these. Right. What I assumed as well. So it would be hard to believe that mocks would be ahead of everybody else that much because then CM punk would have to be that far ahead of him. Right. Right. Well, it's in the head punk, like with Jericho, but I, yeah, I would assume punk was making the most. I would believe that mox's negotiation was I want punk money.
01:12:39
Speaker
But yeah, I believe they make the same now or something. But yeah, after last year, he earned like earned a hard seriously. I agree. And but also in punk was moving a lot of merch was really I mean, I think punk seemed like he was valuable in that regard to E.W. in some way. I mean, I again, hard to know without real full metrics on that. But it sounds like moving merch, but not moving Dan housing numbers of merch. Well, no one is a guy. How much is Dan housing making?
01:13:09
Speaker
Right? I mean, if he sold the most merch last year and also barely wrestled, his on-screen time is goofy shit on the side of the ring. And you know what? If he is a fucking millionaire from selling t-shirts now, that's a sweet gig. Yes. Yeah, for him. And I would be shocked. I would not be shocked.
01:13:32
Speaker
I will just say I googled this and I looked at four different lists with four completely different sets of numbers. And often the people were going to be in that. There were certain things like you do see the Mach six million and Mox is number one does seem to be repeated a lot. So I feel like it's it's some like unless it's I'm not seeing any sources. So like it's it's not and it's not even like something like I'm just not buying it right from everything we know.
01:14:01
Speaker
It would make sense that Moxley makes the most. He should probably make the most. Again, I just can't buy that. He's he's that much above the rest. But then like other people like Pac is like just below Kenny Omega. Like that. That's the thing where it's like hearing literally on the same level as Brian Danielson. Well, and a lot of these lists, I don't know if you said it is Dustin Rhodes is always listed there as one of the top five paid guys where I'm like, there's no way Dustin Rhodes is making seven figure annual annual salary.
01:14:31
Speaker
to not sometimes be on dynamite and be like the coach. Now, how much do we think they're going to pay Jay White to wrestle on dark? What's that? Is that low seven figures? I mean, I mean, honestly, at this point, I do hope he goes to WWE. He'll have more to do over there. I think it'd be hilarious. I think it'd be hilarious if he's like if he just starts running fighting AJ over who's the wheel leader of the Bullet Club.
01:15:01
Speaker
You could have that and then him versus Cody could be fun. I don't know. So I don't see that any of that happening, but like give it like four or five years and then the crown prince's son starts getting some more power and then he can start booking some of those those blood blood money events. And then he's going to be like a real big bullet club guy.
01:15:22
Speaker
They'll probably put a big big offer to Punk and Danielson. No, and loves the switchblade. He breathes with the switchblade. He breathes with the switchblade. Oh, yeah. Oh, he's like, he's like, this is the only wrestler my dad understands is the guy with the switchblade. They're like, yeah.
01:15:45
Speaker
Why isn't it a machete? And he's like, oh, dad, I got to show you some new jack matches. That totally freaks that out. But that's actually that's really what got Tony Khan into the wrestling business is going to watch new Jack with his dad. Well, because that's what I'm thinking of. You have the again, the crown prince, Tony Khan have some similarities, right? Let's just let's just go there. But obviously the crown prince, despite his type, like the crown prince,
01:16:09
Speaker
I don't know that he's got to have a bunch of kids, right? He's a crown prince. That's what you do. That's what you do. Yeah, he's putting he's spreading seed like blimp leaving. Yeah, exactly. He so he's got to have some kids that are getting into wrestling. So it's like he's got the money thing like Tony Khan, the the dad into the
Extravagant Celebrations and Cloning Fantasies
01:16:31
Speaker
wrestling. And then but like that's the thing is Shad Khan, when Tony was little, wasn't like
01:16:36
Speaker
He wasn't like that hockey documentary where they're like, let's have the Rock and China show up at your birthday party, right? Shad Khan wasn't doing this. The Crown Prince literally has the, just name any two wrestlers that have ever appeared and I will make them have a match for your birthday. And it just actually happens every year. Would you like to see Bill Goldberg fight among us? Yeah. We can make it happen.
01:17:01
Speaker
I do like the idea, though, of the crown prince's son showing him ECW and then the crown prince. Who is he getting to play new Jack? You're right, like because we have to. You got to replace that. We got to replace new Jack, unfortunately. That's just how we finally make human cloning work. It's just it's like there you go. The science people just don't have the resources because there's not the use case to make money yet.
01:17:29
Speaker
But once you have a Saudi prince's entire fortune on the line, they'll make it work. They bring back Mustafa to be his partner. Mustafa can't even tell the difference. They look like it really looks like new Jack, but he kind of sounds like a sheep. It's like, well, you know, we had to use some of Dolly's DNA with a little new Jack.
01:17:50
Speaker
But they don't even there's no way they're cloning Newjek and then paying for real Mustafa. Right. They're just cloning everybody at that point. People that are alive, people that are still in their prime. They're going to start real Mustafa work steeper than the clone. Yeah, I mean, the crown prince is clearly going to clone Sable and then leave his crown princess wife for her. And I don't know, probably pay Brock a bunch of money so he doesn't get mad through whatever twisted logic that you got to go through to
01:18:18
Speaker
I can't imagine Brock's happy that you're calling his wife. Yeah, that seems reasonable. For the right price, though. For the right price. I mean, Brock will do business. He's a negotiator, shrewd. It's business, man.
Magic Mike 3 and Upcoming Wrestling Events
01:18:33
Speaker
All right, I think we're almost done. I gotta say one last thing before I go. I did go see Magic Mike 3 because I'm wildly attracted to Selma Hayek. And I totally forgot that Kevin Nash is in those movies. So it was nice seeing Big Sexy make a small cameo in Magic Mike 3. I'll say the critics not being super kind to Magic Mike 3, but it makes me wonder, can critics even get horny? Because I had a great time.
01:19:03
Speaker
Mm, I do know that I'm gonna listen to Rob Black's podcast and try to get his review, because he knows the adult industry well. I've seen the first two Magic Mike movies, so I'm predisposed to finish the trilogy. So, but I'm gonna have Rob Black- There's a six minute dry humping scene between Selma Hayek and Channing Tatum. And like, I was the only person in that theater, so I'm just like sitting in my recliner's seat and it's like,
01:19:33
Speaker
grindin' myself, you know? I all wish you could see the dance Garrett just did for us. I'm fuckin' everybody. It's very Buffalo though. You can, I'm recording this video. All right, so, oh, things we're gonna be talkin' about next week for sure. Gage versus Speedball. Good thing you're out of the country, bud. Let's see, what else? We got Matt Tremont's Deathmatch, Lady Tournament. Lady Deathmatch, yeah.
01:19:58
Speaker
Uh, the angels of death, I think is what it's called. Super stoked to watch names on Saturday. Um, we'll probably have an opinion about like one match from the WWE pay-per-view and not the rest of it. Cause sweet Lord, everything other than Roman versus Sammy.
Skepticism Towards WWE Pay-Per-View
01:20:14
Speaker
I don't understand why people would pay money to go see that. And I texted you that I thought Wikipedia was broken because it said.
01:20:22
Speaker
Cody Rhodes doesn't have a match on that pay-per-view, but Natalia does. But yeah, there is a 0% chance of me watching anything on that other than the Roman match, unless there's something on the front page of the news. If it's on while I'm in the bar after the comedy show that I'm doing on Saturday night, People's Improv Theater is back to our barbecue, 7.30. Guys, go check it out.
01:20:51
Speaker
If it's on in the bar, which is possible, I will watch, I guess, at least a glance up at things other than Roman versus Sammy. That's about all I can say. Yeah, well probably, I'll probably watch a bunch of backseat boys matches out of pure nostalgia. So maybe we'll talk about that. Send me some of those too, because I have not seen any of their matches and I wanna get smartened up.
01:21:17
Speaker
You want to be, you want to be as respectful as Jordan Oliver. Absolutely. That's why people appreciate you, Garrett. They're not going to ask Jordan Oliver, are you sure you want to give us the $20 Jordan Oliver isn't stalking beast man in the bathroom.
01:21:32
Speaker
I also did find there is blimp levy footage on YouTube. It's very, very short, but I'm 100% gonna watch some of that. I'm sure we'll be breaking that down in great detail. Oh, absolutely.
Closing Remarks and Social Media Plugs
01:21:46
Speaker
All right, everybody, thanks so much for listening. As usual, rate, review, subscribe, follow us at Predetermined Podcast on Instagram. I'm at gartet, at ChrisMigs, at, you really gotta start this Instagram account that just says at,
01:21:59
Speaker
Yeah, Jimmy Lloyd's IMDB page. I got to do it. I will do it. I'm on it. You got to do it before this episode comes out because somebody's going to steal that from you. All right, everybody. We'll talk to you next week. Hit our goddamn music.