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Ep. 18 - Nurse Ruth - Growing Together: How Gardens and Sustainability Transform Elder Care
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“Growth doesn’t stop with age. Gardens teach us that with the right care, anything can thrive—even in life’s later seasons.”
Sustainable living isn’t just a lifestyle; it’s a mindset that touches everything from how we grow our food to how we care for each other. This episode explores the transformative power of gardens and natural spaces in elder care, emphasizing the need to reconnect with nature to create a more fulfilling and sustainable future. The conversation highlights actionable strategies that integrate gardening, holistic health, and community care into personalized approaches that enrich lives and the environment.
Guest Bio:
Nurse Ruth is a 50-year veteran of the nursing industry and a pioneer in integrating sustainability into elder care. After retiring, she founded two clinics and a caregiving service, blending her passion for personalized care with innovative practices like gardening, diet shifts, and community building. Ruth’s approach demonstrates that growth and healing can happen at any age, especially when rooted in nature.
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Transcript
Creating a Senior Community
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I think building a community where you have their likes and dislike there. Like if you have a seniors community where they can have their own gardens, where they can go for a walk, where they can have their own swimming pool, where they can have their own exercise yeah area. you know And and in the in in the center of it, you know if if they can have all of that, they can access what they want yes or what their interest is. oh yeah Some could be artists, some could be musicians. So if you had all of that at their disposal, yeah so to say, you know that would help them age happier. Hello and welcome to the Regenerative Design Podcast. I'm your host Mathieu Mahes and in this show I interview the leading authorities in the world of regenerative practices. People who do good and do well. Are you a person that cares about your environment and our planet? Are you a person that wants to leave the planet to our children to be something that we can be truly proud of?
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something to enjoy for many generations to come. But are you also a person that believes we can do all of this and do good in business? Well, I have really good news for you. You're here listening to the podcast that is all about making our planet a better place and making your business more successful.
Meet Nurse Ruth
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Enjoy the show.
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Hello and welcome to another episode of the Regenerative Design Podcast. Today we have another amazing guest. I'm so excited to have Ruth on here with us. So Nurse Ruth is ah quite famous in my opinion. She has done so many amazing things and so Nurse Ruth is a powerhouse in the caregiving and elderly business. She has worked as a nurse for over 50 years in in the industry. She has a lot of experience and now the most amazing thing happened and I'm so excited to to tell you this story with you. So when Nurse Ruth decided to retire from her job as a gift for her retirement to herself, she said, I'm going to start my own business.
00:02:11
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And as she started doing that within five years, she opened two clinics. She is um consulting people in the caregiving business and her business is flourishing. And so, yeah, I'm very excited to have you on the show. We're going to talk about how important it is to care for elderly and how we can actually create something good for the environment that also helps elderly people and also about how the whole food industry is also part of the solution here for people to have a longer and graceful aging process. So, first of all, Nurse Ruth, thank you for coming on the show. How are you doing today? Excellent. Thank you. Nice. So um as I said, I'm super excited. I want to know from you, from a backstory, like where did all of this start? Like as a child, were you caring for people or how did you get got into this whole industry? I started caring for my grandmother at the age of eight. Wow. And then went into nursing in the 70s.
00:03:10
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came to Canada, did nursing in different facets. and then So you grew up in India, right? I grew up in India. I did my nursing in India. well And then I did my master's in education in the US. I did my MBA from the US. And then I started Nest Next Door, which is a franchise.
Personalized Senior Care
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yeah And I have quite a big area, I have Scarborough, I have the beaches, I have part of North York which is Richmond Hill South. yep um We have put in for accreditation for Nest Next Door which is which is a good thing to do because then you are accountable for what you are doing. oh yeah I think what we pride ourselves in is all in the frontline we have nurses. So we don't have schedulers, we don't have anybody, everything we do ourselves are nurses. So when the phone calls come in, it's so much more easier for a nurse to understand what the other person is saying. If if it's a senior, what do you do for them?
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how do you How do you help them maintain a lifestyle that they want to? Not what we want to. It's more what they want to. So when when you look at that and they don't want to go to a retirement home, what can they do at home?
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you know, what do they love to do? I have many, many seniors. I think my oldest one right now is 104 years old. oh i had I had another one who was old. Well, she was from Russia. Yeah. And she loved gardening.
00:04:46
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Till till almost when she was 105 she's to sit in the air So yes, it does it it does help them do what they want to do for themselves. Oh, yeah Lifestyle is
Diet and Health for Seniors
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another big one. You know, what is their lifestyle exactly? What do they eat? How do they eat? I had a client for almost 13 years and when we changed her diet from what she ate to an organic diet. she was She had come off of quite a few of her medications. yes You have told me this story just for the listeners that she was she had mental illness from the age of 16. She lived till she was 94, 95. Her wish was to die at home and and she did. But she changed her lifestyle, she changed her diet. We couldn't get her to walk as much but what I'm saying is
00:05:44
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She died in her home. That was her wish. That's amazing. Which is a big thing. she loveds too She loved her garden. She'll stand in her window and she'll look at the trees and the gardens. you know She had a gardener coming in, so she will tell them what she wanted. But even the flowers, you know at least even though she didn't go down, she was at least able to see that in her own backyard.
00:06:09
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Yeah, and that makes people very proud or it's part of how they perceive a natural environment and how things grow and it's like you it helps you with your aging and I love the story because you She was on quite a lot of medication, right? And you were able with changing the diet helping to care to her needs to gradually Lower that which is which is
Healthcare System Challenges
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amazing. Yeah I think before she died, she was on what, three medications? Only. Yeah. And you started with like. 16, 17. 16, 17 types of medication. Crazy. Right. And that's a topic that I want to talk about with you, like the whole food industry as well. Like we are eating a lot of things that are not good for our bodies and then we have to take medicines to kind of work with the symptoms and we're not really resolving because nobody dares to say like, hey, change your diet. so
00:07:02
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Is that a big part of your work as well or how do you incorporate that? It is a very big part of our work because the medications that they get, I think people have to be educated in order to learn what are the side effects. So once you know what the side effects are, you know how to deal with it. oh yeah you know whether you want to change the medications, you want to know whether you want to reduce the medication, you want to know whether you're allergic to the medication. yeah So that way food is a big part of it yeah because some of the medications your stomach burns.
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So what do you do? Then people take something, other take another medication. mitigate that So so you understanding what medication is, what the medication does to your body, how it interacts with other medication is also very important oh yeah thing to know. So once you know medications, once you know what they do for you, or is your body just rejecting it? So therefore, can you stop that medication? If you stop that medication, what is going to happen?
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yeah But if you're going to stop it, is there an alternative? Yeah, I understand. And so as part of that whole work about the medication, what what is your perspective on? It could be on a global scale, but we can keep it more local here to Toronto, Canada, Ontario.
Active Lifestyle Benefits
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Like what do you think are the biggest challenges in the health care system, maybe more specifically in the elderly or retirement industry?
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I think in the elderly, they go to the doctors. Number one, many of us don't have family doctors. So since the primary contact is not there, you know it's just renewing their medication. Some of them haven't reviewed their medication. Now with the laws changing and the pharmacies having a more safe in what your medications are or to prescribe medications,
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You know, we don't know what interacts, what interactions medications have with them. yeah So many, many times you're going to see and elderly having so many medications. One of the side effect is false.
00:09:17
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It's false that it doesn't work anymore. No, false is the side effect of the medication that makes them drowsy oh yeah or reduces their blood pressure. oh yeah So when when it reduces their blood pressure, when they suddenly stand up, they can have a fall. And fall is yeah ah fall is something that will kill them because you they can't handle going to the hospital to have a surgery if they have a broken bone. Yeah, I get it. So it's this whole loop of like, okay, you might get a medicine to heal you to a certain level, but then you become weaker and you might end up with other diseases or or broken bones. I know that from my grandfather, when when yeah he had a broken hip, this was like getting to the to the words of the end, even though he was, as you said, he was super active. He did like what people would now call yoga.
00:10:08
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He was doing that gymnastics every morning. So when I was a kid and my parents would not be around, they would take care of us. And in the morning before we got to school, we saw him do all these exercises. We were like, what is he doing? And he worked in his garden just like two years or less, actually, I think, half a year before he passed away. And it was like his most precious thing
Matching Caregivers to Seniors
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to do. He was a farmer as well, so it was kind of in him.
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and But I think it's such ah an important topic, right? So even in your work, are you trying to incorporate that? Yeah, diet is a very big part of it, what they eat, what time they eat. Are we going in to make breakfast and lunch for them? Or are we going in for dinner? So, you know, doing that, doing the grocery list for them, yeah seeing where they can go. If they want to do shopping themselves, taking them grocery shopping, you know, helping them choose their fruits and vegetables or what they want to eat.
00:11:08
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you know, even introducing a bit of fruits and vegetables in their diet, maybe they just don't want to cut it. So, yeah how do you make that happen? Yeah, that's interesting. so And then part of the diet is also the the whole thing about exercise and how we can get people to spend more time outdoors in the garden. like There's been research about the blue zones of the world where they see like this is areas where people live way longer than most areas of the world. And one important aspect that I want to talk to you about is that part of gardening.
00:11:45
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so How can you incorporate that in in in your work? Is that something that and is possible or how do you emphasize that? For me, when I have clients who live in their home and who want to do gardening, we find a caregiver who loves gardening as well. So when you find a caregiver, they it matches well. yes you know They know they have something to talk about. yeah There are others who might like sports, but there are some who might like gardening or who just like plants in the home.
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You know, how do you care take care of plants in the home? You may not be able to go out, but can you take care of plants in the home? But then you need a caregiver who also has the same interest. Yes. You know, that way, both of them hit it off. Yes. And and they look after plants, they talk to the plants, they water the plants. You know, that is their exercise, walking or going to the garden and watering the plants or vegetables or making a vegetable garden or yeah or making a garden in the balcony.
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which is also possible if if you can't go out. So there are different ways, there are different ways of keeping them occupied, right? You can have a small one by just watering them every two, three days. You can have one in the balcony or one you can have in the backyard.
00:12:55
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Yes. No, I think it's amazing to look at it that way. And it sounds like the caregivers that you work with that are part of your team, you're really emphasizing on what the client, because at the end of the day, it's a client, what they want and what they need.
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and then match the client to the caregiver. Oh wow, it's like a dating system. right So if you can match them, that's so much better than just sending somebody. We also also make sure that if we are sending more than one caregiver,
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right Both of them have to have the same qualities for the client. You just don't send somebody just for the sake of sending something. You must know the interests of the clients. You must know the needs of the clients. you must know their you know Some of them just like to go for a walk. Does the caregiver want to go for a walk with them? Some of them don't. yeah So therefore you have to find somebody. this You have to find some of them may go for a long walk but come and watch games. So does the caregiver enjoy games with them so you know that's what is interesting in clients because then they know they have somebody who also has the same interest not somebody who is sitting
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Well, the word retirement is to slow down, right? sort Retire is to or to go to take a step back. okay Is that the right way? or what do know That is not in my vocabulary. so I love that. See, that's exactly why. So you you decided instead of slowing down, you said, okay, I'm going to I thought I have so much to give. So when you have so much to give, why not set up something oh yeah that you can share with people, where you can give people, where you can train people. you know So you're not wasting your skills. You're not wasting your talent. You're also equipping others to do better. you know What I have or what I learned or what i what I did in life can benefit a lot more people. Yeah, exactly.
00:15:53
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than just sitting at home and doing nothing oh yeah And that's a common thing, right? And that's why I think maybe we have to redefine the word retirement. I think what you say, away from the yeah, just get rid of it. It's more about aging and becoming of age and and doing that gracefully. And I think that it's you're a beautiful example of how you can do it in a way that you keep of service to the community. And one way of doing it, as it turns out, and that's what I believe as well, is starting a business because doing a business is impact. You can hire people, you can help people. at
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Larger scale so that's that's I think the amazing story of of you how you got to do that. It's crazy um So as you've been doing that yeah, you said you had an MBA in in business Did you have to learn a lot or no you had a lot of knowledge? Because of your we're in the industry or things just like went your way i think I think as I went along, you know, I just, I mean, I was a manager in one of the companies and they said, oh, you know, in order for you to keep a job, you need to do an MBA. So I went and did an MBA. But when I was teaching at the university, they said, I had to have my master's in order to continue teaching. So I went and got my master's. So I don't think I did those things
00:17:12
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for any other reason than for keeping jobs. To staying of service of what you do. Yeah, and I had hands-on nursing as well. I did community nursing as well. yeahp So it it it all brought in a very different set of skills and different experience that I can now share with anybody who's there or the caregivers that are there.
00:17:34
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Like we have we have a classroom where we can we can train our own caregivers. you know If there's anything lacking, we can bring them in. ye We can train them here. yes you know Then we know that they are up to par and with what the client needs.
00:17:50
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You know, my caregivers don't train on the client. They train on themselves in the classroom in order to go up, in order to go out. And then they can. Yes. So you have a system for that or each person that comes with you learns the system. Anybody who comes, anybody else we hire, we bring them to the classroom. We test them whether they really know what they say they know. And if they don't, they have to sit down.
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you know, learn with us, teach us, or we train them and then we then they have to demonstrate to us that yes, they know how to do So you really have to qualify and learn and keep learning and improving because yeah, you're really targeting the the highest possible service for the right price.
Redefining Retirement
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So ah yeah, I think that that is amazing. Now getting a little bit deeper into the retirement industry. I don't like the word well aging industry. We are redefining the industry and that's your mission. i think Exactly. So or the word retire. retired. That's like rubbish. We don't need that. ah One of our greatest mentor or our common mentor Raymond Aaron, he just got 80 and he's on fire more than ever I think and he's so knowledgeable and that's what I i love about you as well. You're so knowledgeable and you're using that to build businesses to help people like 50 years in the industry. You know of quite a lot. You've seen a lot happening. So I think that's amazing. Now
00:19:18
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Looking at a global trend which most of the Western countries are facing that we are having a population that is aging more and more, what do you think is the best solution to overcome that, knowing that in in some cases we will actually have far less younger people to care for elderly people? like What do you think is is the solution to this problem that we're going to face or that we're starting to see?
00:19:45
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Even in Canada, there's quite a bit of ah an issue with taking care of elderly people, right? I think allowing elderly people to do what they love best. You know, um this next door has a philosophy which is called happier aging. You know, do what you love the best yeah and match a caregiver to you that they do exactly. And in many ways, it's a win-win situation because the seniors can teach you what they know. yeah And I think at a younger age, you can grasp so much more oh yeah and glean from their skill and become a better person. So it's not only getting paid for caregiving, but also learning so much more, yes which I think is more value.
00:20:32
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Yeah, I think that's a great way of looking at it because it might sound a little bit like as if it's more work when you have to do it according to the needs of the client. But I think it also becomes more efficient, right? I think. Because most people that are are getting the service and they're just like somebody comes in, they do it quickly and they're unsatisfied. They'll have to come back, redo things, and maybe fire the person. And I think the the way you're doing it is is totally the right way ah forward.
00:21:00
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so But still, again, in the in in in an era where we're going to have a more older population, what do you think either both to the younger and the elder people should be focusing on so we can keep a harmful society? I think building a community where you have their likes and dislikes there. Like if you have a seniors community where they can have their own gardens, where they can go for a walk, where they can have their own swimming pool, where they can have their own exercise area, you know, and and in the in in the center of it.
00:21:40
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you know, if if they can have all of that, they can access what they want yes or what their interest is.
Improving Aging Homes
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oh yeah Some could be artists, some could be musicians. So if you had all of that at their disposal, yep so to say, you know, that would help them age happier.
00:22:03
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I love that. So that's really a cool concept that I want to dive in deeper now with you. So what do you see currently in the retirement, well, we have to, we call it from now on aging homes. In the aging home industry, what do you see as our domain problems? Is it like it's too close from society, they're put away somewhere? Or what do you see that is not working? Or do you just see there's an increased demand? There is a demand, yes.
00:22:31
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but knowing what your clients need and building a community yes around it, I think, would be more beneficial oh yeah and more happier. you know If you had someone cook for them what they liked, not having a meal from paper and saying, oh, this is what I want, that is what I want. But if somebody can do that for you, if you can get your own vegetables from the garden,
00:23:02
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you know And they're happier because they did it. you know There's pride in it. There's joy in it. yeah So something like that. you know ah day In the morning, somebody doesn't want to go out, doesn't want to exercise. They can still come out. you know They can play cards. Others can sit in the library. Some can go in the garden. Some can play music. So doing what they love to do. yeah And then at the end of the day, be satisfied and go to bed.
00:23:34
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That sounds like an amazing way to become of age. I think I would love to do that all the time. I'd be gardening all the time. No, but yeah, it's ah it's a great concept that I think if you do it really well and based on, again, not not just on numbers and what the financial returns will be, but to do it on like, like let's look at the stats. what do like Maybe there's 30% of the population that loves to do gardening, 50% love doing music.
00:24:04
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Can we incorporate that into um in the planning process so that whenever the finished product is ready, it's completely designed to the needs of them. It's a unique concept.
Integrating Community in Elderly Care
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And then each one shows their pride and joy to the others.
00:24:26
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Some might love listening to music. yeah Others love to play music. um and Some like to garden. Others like to cook. And others like to eat. So putting those things together.
00:24:40
Speaker
I think it's a great idea and and we talked about it offline as well. I think that there is an opportunity to also look like what to most or again build on on the blue zones model, what are the key aspects that make people Age gracefully and as it turns out gardening is definitely one of them community as you already mentioned and then also in most all they in in most cases they still live with the elderly people live with their family which is kind of also community and in in some cases in the modern or a Western world it's difficult to
00:25:16
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do that because people have a lot of busy jobs. But we could recreate that system ah on the aging home place by, for example, incorporating the a ah school for kids or or an after after-school care. So people that, again, what's your interest? Maybe some people like to spend time with kids and and talk with kids and teach kids.
00:25:41
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ah So they could be part of that business as well.
Passion for Caregiving
00:25:44
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I think that that would be something very exciting to to do. What what else do you think could be amazing to do that? Bringing younger children and having a story hour and having the seniors tell them.
00:25:58
Speaker
Oh, yeah. And the children learning from there. Oh, yeah. Rather than sitting in front of the TV. Oh, that's a great idea. I love that when my grandfather talked about the wall. It's not always the nicest stories, but talking about the war and what he has gone through. And then he knew a lot about Napoleon. He couldn't he couldn't stop talking about Napoleon. So I learned a lot from from him. So I think that's that's a great way of doing that. Yeah. And that's how children can have
00:26:32
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and insight into better imagination. you know They have social skills there. Nowadays, sitting on the phone, oh yeah your social skills are not there. So bringing up those social skills, yep you know caring for each other.
00:26:50
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comes in along with listening to their stories, sitting with them, or maybe just having students come and have lunch or dinner with them. oh yeah Or they can cook for the younger generation, or the younger generation can cook for them, you know? Exactly. That's going to be so much of an interaction. Yep. I love that. So I think we could keep talking about that and dive deeper into that, and we should we sure should.
00:27:16
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But what do you think? When you come back to Toronto. Yeah, exactly. We'll do that. So what do you think will be the biggest challenges to go to that end point? Because it's not going to be an overnight thing? No. What what do you see as the as like the roadblocks to get there? I don't think there are roadblocks. You want to do something, you can do it. Nice. I don't think there's a roadblock. I think you know what? ah You need like-minded people. yeah to sit down, to map it out, and get it done. Exactly. I don't see a roadblock. No. Even if you get into real estate and building, contracting, there's definitely some hurdles that will happen. But if the vision is there and the endpoint is in mind, I think everything is possible, right? I think so. We've learned that. And you're the greatest living example of that. Nice. Yeah. So what else are you excited about for the future? The future.
00:28:17
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I haven't decided anything yet. You want to keep doing what you're doing because you already have a lot on your plate. yeah Maybe that's enough for the future. So so maybe finishing what I have and then then maybe the next thing will come up. Oh, yeah. Nice. What are you most passionate about? Caring for others. Oh, yeah. So you know educating others, making sure you bring people up to par with what is expected.
00:28:46
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you know creating that wow experience for your clients, yeah like keeping them happy, you know being there for them yeah rather than for me. I think that gives me more pleasure than looking at it as a job or looking at it as a business.
Pursuing Passion After Retirement
00:29:06
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No, you you you strive for value for service of people, you care for people, you help people to care for people, that's that's your magic. And I've seen, ah you we've you've told me some amazing stories like how you started your first clinic and then your second clinic and and all the results just follow from your intention of of helping people and doing something good for the world.
00:29:30
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and then success becomes inevitable. like I feel that that is a beautiful um way to do business if it's for the planet or for people or for the environment. If you put your minds to it and then you go for it, and then it will happen. There are no barriers.
00:29:46
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Yeah, that's amazing. I love that. So anything else that you would like to add to our listeners to inspire them to do something good for the environment, for our planet, for elder people? What what is your best piece of advice for people that are listening? My best piece of advice to anybody who's thinking of changing jobs at at a point where they are whatever you call retirement is. Think of something that you're passionate about and continue to do it and continue to make a difference in other people's lives because you have the knowledge, you have the skill and you can share it. you know Even if you have a small office and make a difference. So if you if you don't want to work where you're working,
00:30:37
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and and you want to do something else, pursue it.
00:30:43
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Because you can make a difference, one person at a time.
Podcast Wrap-up
00:30:48
Speaker
Yeah, I agree. And I think there's a certain effect of a ripple effect or what they call the butterfly effect. And that's your work is like a lighthouse of that. That's why I started the interview as the lighthouse in the aging industry. We've now redefined everything. So no more word retirement. No more retirement because that will be taking a step back. The Lighthouse is a better one. I like it, right? Lighthouse is a better one. It's kind of like step it up. You've had 50 years of experience, now share it with the world. I love that. I think it's a great piece of advice for anybody at any age to find your passion and chase it, whatever it takes.
00:31:24
Speaker
Yeah, nice. Okay, so we will start wrapping up here. I just want to get our listeners to connect with you. How can they best find you, reach out to you if they're excited about what you're doing? And maybe they want to start ah working in this aging industry as well. No aging in industry. um yeah You know, you you you can find me online. Yeah.
00:31:49
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um My telephone number is 416-579-3357. ah We have an office located in Scarborough. and We have another office in North York. We have a clinic in Richmond Hill. If you want to visit the clinic and you don't have a doctor, you can come to our clinic in Richmond Hill. What else can I say?
00:32:14
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So some social media, are you active on LinkedIn? Can people find you there? or ah yeah can facebook not linkedin yeah Facebook, LinkedIn. I'm not very active. No, you have enough work and you're enough of service so we don't even have to bother that. But I think you said you wanted to start a podcast as well, right? Yes, I want to start a podcast and I have to finish my last two books.
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Yeah, I think it's an excellent idea if you can show and interview people in the world that are doing great in this the industry, then it will have a huge impact and again ripple throughout the world. ye So Nurse Ruth, thank you very much for coming on the show. I wish you a lovely day and hope to see you soon again. And God bless you.
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