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Ep. 16: Evan Kuterbach - Inspired by Nature: Redefining the Game for a Greener World
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How can your choice of pickleball paddle make a difference in protecting our environment? Whether or not you're actively involved in sustainability efforts, you may be surprised to learn that supporting eco-friendly brands can have a direct impact on preserving the natural world we love.
Exploring how a company is redefining sports gear by integrating environmental responsibility into every aspect of its product design, packaging, and business operations. This discussion centers on making meaningful, sustainable choices—even in seemingly small ways, like the materials used in pickleball paddles.
Evan Kuterbach is the founder of Canyon Pickleball, a brand dedicated to designing eco-friendly pickleball paddles that honor the great outdoors. Each paddle design is inspired by natural landscapes, from the iconic Grand Canyon to the breathtaking Zion National Park. Canyon Pickleball goes beyond aesthetics, partnering with a sustainable packaging initiative and donating a portion of sales to the National Park Foundation. Join us as we dive into the story behind Canyon Pickleball and how their commitment to sustainability impacts both the sport and the planet.
If you're ready to support an eco-conscious brand, check out Canyon Pickleball at CanyonPickleBall.com and use code “DESIGN” for 10% off your order. And don’t forget to follow them on Instagram at @canyonpickleball for updates on new paddle designs inspired by the beauty of nature.
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Transcript
Introduction to Nain Canyon and nature-inspired design
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The outdoors is for everyone. We should all be able to enjoy it. So we want to be able to do our part. Obviously, the Nain Canyon is you know paying respect to the outdoors. Every single paddle that we have is inspired by a national park in the US or a natural landscape. So with the outdoors being a massive piece of our creation and and our inspiration, um we knew that we wanted to differentiate ourselves from the market.
Introducing Regenerative Design Podcast
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Hello and welcome to the Regenerative Design Podcast. I'm your host Mathieu Mahes and in this show I interview the leading authorities in the world of regenerative practices. People who do good and do well. Are you a person that cares about your environment and our planet? Are you a person that wants to leave the planet to our children to be something that we can be truly proud of?
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something to enjoy for many generations to come. But are you also a person that believes we can do all of this and do good in business? Well, I have really good news for you. You're here listening to the podcast that is all about making our planet a better place and making your business more successful.
Ivan Kutterbach's entrepreneurial journey and regenerative design
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Enjoy the show.
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Hello and welcome to another episode. Today we have another special guest. His name is Ivan Kutterbach. And I'm saying it in the German way, but Ivan is from the United States. And Ivan has an amazing company that is called Canyon Pickleball.
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And you might be thinking, wow, what does pickleball have to do with regenerative design? Well, the theme of our podcast is that we can show the world that you can do it good in business and do something good for our environment, for the planet. And Ivan has a unique story with his company, and we'll dive into it. And in this way, I also want to show the world that even if you're not in in agriculture or landscaping or or the like the green industry, let's call it, directly,
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whatever company you have, you can still have a good impact on our environment. So Ivan and his company is a great example for that. So Ivan, welcome to the show. How are you doing today? I'm doing well, Matthew. I'm doing well. Yeah. Thank you so much for having me. Excited to ah to share my story with the audience. so Nice. Yeah. So let's let's dive. Well, before we dive right into it, I would love to hear your backstory. Like where did it start? It sounds like you're an entrepreneur. How how did you get ah in all of this and where did it get you to start your current company?
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yeah Yeah, sure. So it's a question I get asked very often is you know um how did I even become an entrepreneur? um What I'll say is I'll kind of start from the beginning. i I've always kind of had that bug you know to start a business. I think a lot of probably some of your audience has had very similar you know thoughts in their brain of you know what if I started a business? What would it look like?
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and For really for my entire life. I never really found the thing to dive into um And when I started to think about okay, what can I get into what can I what type of business can I get? um Started the the biggest piece I always knew was I wanted to make an impact I wasn't really sure what type of impact I wanted to make but I wanted to make an impact I didn't just want to sell a product or sell a service right I i really wanted to make an impact and so as I was starting to think about what that could look like pickleball came into my life it came into my life about two and a half years ago i'm not sure how many of your audience members have played before which will get into a little more about the sport but um as i started to get into the sport i started to realize.
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really what an incredible community was built around the sport. It's a very easy sport to pick up. It's very ah welcoming to to all types of people, every you know race, gender, um skill level, athletic ability, everything. And I love that aspect of pickleball. So then when I shared that love of pickleball as I got into the sport with my love of giving back and the planet,
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um My my background is is really as a hiker a camper um you know snowboard or I'm very connected to the outdoor so melding those two things kind of became just a natural occurrence right thinking about how can I support my love of the outdoors with now my newfound love of pickleball and Then can pickleball started to be born so that's a little bit of the short story No, I love it. It's so cool that you were searching for that one thing to do that both inspires you to have an impact and it's just something you're very passionate about, it sounds like.
Understanding pickleball and its community impact
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So just for the audience here, let's dissect what pickleball is exactly. Because even i i before we got to meet, I didn't really know what it was. I know that paddle or paddle in Europe is like exploded as a sport. But I think pickleball is still something different, right?
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Definitely, so i'll I'll give again kind of a like elevator pitch of what pickleball is so pickleball I like to say is a combination of tennis table tennis a little bit of racquetball and honestly a little bit of pedal or paddle um as people in the states typically call it the difference is is that pickleball really is very it's very easy to learn and at a very affordable cost. So while the rules may differ a little bit, I would say it's most similar to tennis, um you know, from a serving side, you know, from um a lot of kind of like the one bounce rule, that kind of stuff. But one of the biggest things is that pickleball is very approachable because you can go into it from day one and feel like you are a pretty decent player.
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um You know it's not a situation where you know with padel you're really having to understand kind of the laws of physics and being able to use walls and things like that and in tennis really you have to give it so much of a hit right you've got a massive court to be working on table tennis is very short so it's a very quick.
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What I'd say about pickleball, it's kind of a combination of all of those things. and Honestly, the the creation of the sport was made in a backyard. I don't know if if if you researched a little bit about the back like but ah backst story of pickleball, but it's really interesting. um It was created in the 1970s basically by families trying to figure out how to keep their kids entertained in the summertime.
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And so they were basically grabbing leftover parts of sports and then creating this new game, which then turned into pickleball. And so it really is at its root, a combination of multiple
Sustainability efforts in Canyon Pickleball
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sports. So yeah, it's it's really just a blast.
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Nice, I love it. You're bringing together both the best of all worlds in the and the ball sports. I think i've I've always liked playing tennis when I was a kid, but then I didn't do it for many years and it's it's hard to keep up with it. And I tried Padel, it's also very nice.
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So I think I'm very excited to to start learning it with you. But let's now get more into the parts where youre but your specific business differs from, let's call it anything in the industry of sports that is out there.
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Sure. So with Canyon, obviously the name Canyon is paying respect to the outdoors. um you know All of our designs for the paddles are all inspired by natural landscapes. So every single paddle that we have is inspired by a national park in the US or a natural landscape. So everything from the Grand Canyon to Zion National Park, and um we have a bunch of new paddles coming out. but with the outdoors being a massive piece of our creation and and our inspiration, um we knew that we wanted to differentiate ourselves from the market. And one of the biggest areas to do that is one within the packaging material, right? So when paddles are shipped out, they're always in a bunch of plastic. It's a bunch of styrofoam. It's you know just complete waste on the environment. So we actually partner with a company called
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um a New Earth project which is a US based company that basically helps supply um brands, e-commerce brands with sustainable packaging material for their shipments. They do everything from small items like pickleball paddles all the way up to they actually help. um There's a surfboard company that helps people, ah this this brand ships surfboards in sustainable packaging which is just incredible. so um all All of our pickleball paddles are shipped in fully sustainable recyclable material, um all the inserts and packaging. And then in doing all that, we also donate a portion of our sales to the National Park Foundation, which is really, really important to us to make sure that we are preserving the lands that we have here, making sure that people are able to experience them for generations to come. so
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um We really, really take that to heart because, again, Pickleball is about getting outside. It's about community. And that's exactly what being outside within not just the national parks, but just in any outdoor space, right? Outdoors is for everyone. We should all be able to enjoy it. So we want to be able to do our part.
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Nice. I love that. it's It's so cool to see that somewhat a lot of people, well not everybody, but there are people that are standing up in any industry to try and make it better, more ecological and and donating a part of their income to to the environment. So we can, like you said, that we can still live here ah for many generations to come. So I'm i'm very excited about it and very cool that I met you here. So let's yeah look a bit more on your perspective on What do you think about companies that think like, nah, this is not so important to be part of this, or why would I even bother? It's just plastic and we're shipping it, but it doesn't really matter to do something good. like what What do you think is is your take on your perspective on on companies that are not jumping on board to do something or to give something back?
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Yeah, it's a it's a great question. And honestly, this has been this has been probably similar to you and probably a lot of your audience. A real real pain point for me as now as a business owner, but as previously and still am obviously a consumer of products. um I try to you know, do what I can when I can. But it is very frustrating as someone who has now gone through the manufacturing process and shipping logistics, right all of the pieces and It is very frustrating it's very frustrating to see that when when when companies decide not to do their part. right We are a small shop. i am I am literally shipping these out of my garage. um you know I'm packaging all of them myself. um Even when we get to a point where we cannot do that ourselves and we have to go to a third party company, we're going to ensure that we are keeping the same um you know ah process alive.
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but it But it's very frustrating to see other companies not take that extra effort because if we can do it as a small business where our margins are very lean and you know our our choice to not make as much profit in order to get people not only into the sport but also be able to give back to the planet and make sure we're doing our part.
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If we can do it then i i just really get frustrated when when when companies decide that they're not going to or it's not coming from a genuine place and it's more kind of a green washing effect so i think that is. Very frustrated to put it to put it kindly.
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Yeah, I think I understand, and I agree with you. On the other hand, I think that, especially if we look to, I don't know, I can't say it for the US, but for Europe, if we look at how people are voting, and it's all becoming more conscious for the environment, I think legislations will follow. It might take another five to 10 years. We like have have the Green Deal in Europe.
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It's not the best policy making yet. It has a lot of flaws, but it's clear that the people that vote, they want to have an environment or do they want to make sure that we can protect our environment. At least there's an increase of it. Not everybody likes that. So it means that as a producer anyways, at some point,
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And I strongly believe that it's not a trend, like, oh, we have to care about the environment, even though now with the world going quite crazy with US elections coming up. And it sounds like if you open the news, there's wars everywhere.
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even then I think this will become and stay increasingly important. And that I think even so that companies don't do that, they will fall off board like consumers at some point will be okay, you're not even contributing, I'm not going to buy or the legislations will will make it very difficult for those companies to try it, I think.
Environmental responsibility in business and politics
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So would you agree with what's your take on that? I would completely agree with that. And it's become an issue where We are living it day to day, right? You know, I like whether you're living in California, here in the States, you're Colorado, or you're in, you know, Switzerland, wherever you are, you are seeing the effects of climate change day in day out. And I am very, I'm very optimistic with
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where we are headed in the sense that it is becoming a situation where you can't ignore it. but You just can't ignore it anymore and it's not a situation where you know it it really shouldn't be a ah part of you know it it shouldn't be a partisan issue. right It should be a bipartisan collective effort.
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where we are seeing the effects day in day out right like i'm i'm living currently here in orlando florida we just had a hurricane come through and you know where we saw record flooding and record rainfall and tornadoes and all kinds of things and so you you live it every day you see it with your own eyes so i agree to your point i am i'm hopeful that more more legislation will come that also rewards businesses like ourselves right rewards us for for going the extra mile to to doing more and As a consumer, I know myself and probably yourself and and your listeners, I'm looking for brands that are doing more. right I'm looking for brands that are and are taking the extra effort and I want to reward those companies and those founders and those small business you know those small businesses for doing more because i I see that it is going a little bit against the grain. right like i I want to reward companies that are doing that so I'm i'm hopeful too that more legislation will keep being passed worldwide to to to help that.
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Yeah, nice. And what how do you see that happening in the US politics? I don't want to go too much into it, but do you see an increase that's okay there as well? or I will say that even in the last probably year or two,
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I have seen it become more of a bipartisan, like collective mindset, right? Like I have you know friends that are more on you know the left, more friends that are on the right. And you see you see more and more, again, because like I think you just can't ignore it anymore. And the the minority of people who are deciding to ignore it or are deciding to not believe that it is an issue at hand, um that is becoming a smaller and smaller minority in the United States.
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um We'll see what happens with the election coming up to see if you know both sides are are committed to actually doing what they say. um And I'm a firm believer that you know you obviously can say whatever you want to say to get elected, but at the end of the day, you've got to put your money where your mouth is and actually make the changes. So I'm cautiously optimistic, ah but there still is obviously that piece of me that's um but still you know pretty scared to know what the future's going to hold.
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but On the other hand, I'm i'm quite like, I'm a quite a big fan of Robert F. Kennedy. I was following him quite for a while before when he was running for for the elections, because he's like one of the few presidents or ah people that want to be elected to to really put an emphasis on on the value of the environment. He himself was a lawyer.
00:16:49
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in many cases for or against pollution in in the US. So I think he's now teaming up with Trump. So let's see how that ends up. But in that sense, we can be be hopeful that some things will change. that sea It will have to be seen further don't down the line, I think.
Marketing strategies for sustainable products
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But it's great for you that you no matter what the political wind is, you you kind of go for it and and you're heading in the in the right direction, right?
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Yeah, and I think that's all we can ever do. right we you know We can only have you know control the impact of of of what we can control. right So I know that I can control this area of my business. I know that I can try to do my part. I can do what I can when I can. um And I think that's the biggest thing too, is at the end of the day, if we can all just control what we can control, we'd be in a better spot. At the end of the day, like I can't control what the big oil and gas companies are going to do. you know I would love to to try to do what I can.
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to to help fight some of some of that, but at the end of the day, just doing and what I can do um every day, and if if if more of us can do that, I think, yeah, ultimately, we'll just be in a better spot. Yeah, I agree. I think it's better to be for something instead of trying to fight certain things because it's been proven that when you try to fight certain things, oftentimes it even gets worse. So it's better to create something new or or add something new that is better. So I want to know from your perspective as you're also a specialist in marketing, then this could be also an advice to our listeners. How do you
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Well, there might be two and questions here. When your product requires a higher price to be more regenerative, more sustainable, how do you market that to your to your audience, to your consumers? And is there evidence that there is a whole demand for this or how what's your your experience in in the marketing side?
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Yeah, it's ah it's a great question. um So what I will say is one when you're thinking about how to approach it, I think there is going to be a little bit of a piece of education, right? At the end of the day, like you know people are not necessarily um necessarily like knowing that that exists within the market, right? like you know For instance, if you've been buying pickleball paddles in the United States, you you you order it and it comes in, you yeah you play with it, that's it. So we are now kind of changing it a little bit in the sense that you know we are really having to show that, hey, look, there's a company like us that exists.
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um you know we'rere we're We're able to to to ship you this paddle in you know sustainable packaging materials. We're donating back. We're getting out in the community. So there is some education of that that's going to come into play. um At the end of the day, it all comes into really finding your audience. right work We're not trying to speak to everyone. um While we would like everyone to support us at the end of the day, you know a lot of times people are just going to buy based on price and that is what it is.
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um But you know you have to really hone in and find your audience and really really know that you're that' your um speaking to the right people. and that To be honest with you, we are still trying to hone in on right because I think for a while the market has just been what it's been. it's been very um you know lucrative for a lot of other brands and so we're kind of coming in as this different brand who is you know has different designs we've got you know obviously different messaging in a different idea for what we see as pickleball so That alone is going to take a little bit of time We've technically only been been live since July 4th. So it's really only been about three and a half, four months. So we are still honing in that message. So we are still, yeah, so we've had a lot of success, but we're also still learning. We're still building that community, building that audience. So um I think that's a big lesson too, is that you're never done, right? you're never You've never figured it out. You're always testing, you're always learning, you're always trying to tweak that.
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Nice, I like that. what Now, what about step? I'm also a strong believer that whatever consumer goods are going to still be produced, we have to have to differentiate yourself as an experience base because I feel like as our society moves in the good direction and again it's not going to be for everybody directly. I think people will are willing to spend more money on things that are experience related rather than having material
Shift towards experience-based consumer goods
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things. Even myself, I like to travel a lot so I don't want to have too much things
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that are physical because it kind of limits me of ah being able to go wherever I want to. So is that something you've been cooking on on how to incorporate that in your business?
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Definitely. definitely i think I think in general, pickleball is a story. It is an experience. right Obviously, you're out there physically doing it. But with our brand specifically, and I think this is this is where I see not just pickleball, but really all brands moving forward that are out there launching is people want to buy from brands that they connect with and that have a story, that have an experience. So they're feeling things when they buy that product. right They feel good about supporting that product. They feel connected to you know people that have that product because it's almost like that that that feeling of, hey, you know if you're on the court and you see someone else using a cannon pickleball paddle, you immediately are like, oh, we are the same here. We are connected in that same mission, that same vision, that same
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idea that, you know, got me to support Canyon, right? So I think that is something that we are very, very cognizant of and we are thinking about every day when we're working on different emails or, you know, how our website is positioned and all of that. Nice. I like that. And as we are speaking, I want to look at how the fields look because ah like, is it that they are the the fields are they like fixed on a location or can you play it anywhere where you want?
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so yeah so So you can think of the court as exactly like a tennis court. It's the same material as a tennis court. um It honestly looks a little bit like a tennis court. If you if you know anything about like juniors tennis where it's a smaller court, that's kind of what it looks like. um and Yeah, and really the difference is the net is a little bit lower and shorter, obviously, lengthwise from a tennis court, you know, from a tennis net. But for the most part, it looks like a miniature tennis court. um You know, honestly, a lot of people are creating pickleball courts on tennis courts, just putting different lines on it. So ah it is it is one of those situations where you can now and that is a
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It's been a big controversial thing obviously here in the states with tennis and pickleball because people are switching from tennis to pickleball and courts are being converted from tennis to pickleball but you can fit anywhere from three to four pickleball courts on one tennis sized court.
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So you can fit a lot of pickleball courts. So from ah from a community aspect, from people getting outside and from you know state parks and and local parks working together to get people to their their their lands, pickleball is a great opportunity. So that has been here in the States kind of like the contention tennis pickleball kind of fighting together. It's actively happening. But honestly, whatever what whatever in my opinion, whatever gets people outside, gets people active and gets people in their community, I think is a win. Whether that is tennis, whether it's pickleball, whatever it is, just getting you outside, getting you in nature, getting you with friends and family is really is really the goal.
Urban planning with pickleball courts and community gardens
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Nice. I like it because there's two ideas that are at the top of my mind, even when we look at it from a sustainable
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ecological perspective, if you're building pickleball fields in urban environments, you require less space so you can have more space for other amenities or green environments. so and And it's way more efficient. you You can have more people doing sport in smaller basis So that's that's actually ah quite interesting from from an urban planning perspective as well. And then I think we talked about in our initial call when we when we first met, like what do you think of the idea of building the world first? world first
00:25:24
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green pickleball field environment, like everything is surrounded by green or even like completely in a green cage, grown overgrown by plants, thinking like it's in California where it's super hot, we can create these beautiful environments and you can play under the shadow of the plants. What do you think of that?
00:25:47
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I absolutely love that and it's funny because I was um i was talking to to my wife about about our conversation, our pre-conversation, and our dream, to give you a little peek behind the curtain of of of my wife and I's relationship, our dream has always been to start businesses but we've also really wanted to connect our loves of like she's she's a massive gardener she loves she loves planting we've got so many plants all around her house you can see um you know a plant right here but we've got so many plants around our house and so my wife really has you know a green thumb and we've always wanted to connect our passions and our loves and so
00:26:26
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Honestly, and it's not out of the realm of what I think is possible is creating some sort of um greenhouse with a pickleball court that has maybe a coffee bar that also is a plant shop where we can sell local plants. um So you can see all of the plants live while we have pickleball going on and we've got you know a little coffee bar with some baked goods. I mean, I see that being a home run. so Nice. I love that idea. We're actually doing something productive here in this conversation. I think we should keep talking about it offline because even as I'm thinking and and you're talking, I see like, okay, there's there's something called and in permaculture. I don't know if you heard about permaculture. It's like a way to do ecological ecological gardening on a smaller scale.
00:27:13
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that yeah when you can when you're designing a space for whatever use it is, in Parma culture it's mostly so mostly private but it doesn't really matter, the more functionalities you can add to one single element the better it gets. So I'm looking at a pickleball field and the whole fencing, it's perfect for growing vines and and edible plants that grow over it. like That's a double functionality. And then yeahly putting that field in the middle of a community garden or having a lot of things happening around it, like you said, is really something ah very exciting, I think.
00:27:49
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Agreed. And and it it's funny because one of the, so when we lived, my wife and I lived in Colorado for about five years, which is really what inspired Canyon Pickleball. And we're actually moving back to Colorado in the spring. We're we're super excited to get back. um But when we were living in Colorado, one of the one of the gardening techniques that we did was zero scaping, which I'm i'm sure you're you're you're probably familiar with zero scaping. And for your audience, maybe that isn't aware of.
00:28:20
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Yeah, sure. So zero scaping is basically a form of landscaping that helps reduce the amount of irrigation that's being used. And in a state like Colorado, which is a very dry state, um we really didn't want to support you know water waste. And so we we tried to not have really you know plants and gardening set up that was going to require a lot of water. And so we really did a lot of plants that you know were Local to Colorado that that that could you know survive and operate without a lot of irrigation So I think about that in the exact same way, right? How can we? obviously have you know areas of zero scaping in areas where you know, it's it's just very regenerative with inside of That little facility. So I mean I really do think we're on to something here because as that as my wheels are spinning You know, I start thinking about community gardens. We have one local here.
00:29:11
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and to think about, like you said, like the fencing and you're almost like, you know, you're picking off your fruit and everything and your veggies that are growing on the vine um while you have pickleball going on in the community. Like it really combines all of those things. I can already, it will need some more time, but pick picking your own fruit and pickleball, there's a good word play. Oh, ah that's good. That's good.
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that
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That's good, I like that a lot. Yeah, nice. Yeah, I love the zero-scaping. We've been working on some projects in the south of ah France, where it's like extremely dry as well. And then we did a no-irrigation garden. So it's it's really cool to see that it's definitely possible. You just need the right knowledge about the plants. You have to prepare the soil, the set of things that that you need to do to make it as successful as possible. And it totally makes sense right in areas where you have very little <unk> Irrigation, yeah.
Closing remarks and listener engagement
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nice Yeah, exactly. So even this is great. So is there anything else that you would like to add to my audience here before we start wrapping things up?
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Yeah, honestly, I just wanna thank you and really thank your audience for for you know being here and listening. And I'm just excited to to to share the Canyon story and the Canyon journey. If you wanna follow along with Canyon and Canyon Pickleball, you can follow us at at Canyon Pickleball on Instagram. Our website is just canandpickleball.com. And I also have a special gift for your listeners. While right now we are not shipping internationally, we do ship all throughout the United States and Canada.
00:30:55
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So if you are looking to support us or get into Pickleball, you can use code design and get 10% off your order from Canon Pickleball. So if you are internationally outside of the US and Canada and you would like to support us or get some Pickleball paddles, please just DM me on Instagram. We can see if we can get something set up. we are We are looking to ship internationally here soon. So hoping to get that set up soon. But yeah, use code design to get 10% off your order. So just thank you so much.
00:31:22
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ah for supporting us and we're excited to to have you on the journey. Well, nice. Thank you very much for that great offer, Ivan. Thank you for coming on the show. I think you're a great example to the world of how you can do something with your business and do good for the environment. so Thanks again for coming on. and I'm excited to see you again and we can talk more about the what the results have been. so Wishing you the best. Take care.