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Speaker: Hello and welcome to episode 138 of Outnumbered the Podcast. We have been hoping to do this episode for a long time and finally we get to share all about Enneagram types and we have brought on a very special guest Ashley Schubert to help us learn more all about this. So whether you know anything or not about Enneagram types we know you're going to love this episode.
Speaker: Hello and welcome to Outnumbered the Podcast. I'm Audrey. And I'm Bonnie. We are experienced moms to a combined total of 19 children. In our weekly episodes, we explore relatable topics using our perspectives of humor and chaos. Tune in for advice and encouragement to gain more joy in your parenting journey.
Speaker: Hey everybody, welcome back. We are so delighted to have a guest with us this week and we know you guys are going to love this episode too. We have asked Ashley Schubert to come on and chat with us about Enneagram types. Ashley's a wife and a mom of five kids. She's a super successful real estate agent and owns a brokerage in Edmond, Oklahoma.
Speaker: She's an author and speaker and host of another podcast, Business and Babies. So, fellow podcaster here, yay. She loves encouraging other women through her messaging. She lives on a ranch in Oklahoma, totally jealous, and enjoys gardening, cooking, and being outdoors. You can find her popular book, Raising a Business and Babies on Amazon. Welcome, Ashley.
Speaker: Thank you guys for having me. I've been a listener of the show for a couple years, and so it's nice to be on here and hear your voices for real. Yay, we're so glad you're here. We very often start our guest episodes with a little bit of humor from our guests, just some sort of funny parenting moment to kind of see the lighter side of things. Do you have something to share with us?
Speaker: Let's see. Yes, I think you guys will appreciate this. When me and my husband were just talking about it the other day, I've had five kids. I've all been very close. And so when we were pregnant with our third, I was asking my first and second, what do you want the baby to be? We're going to do the ultrasound tomorrow. What do you want it to be? And we asked my oldest daughter and she said, I really want it to be a girl. OK.
Speaker: All right, one for the girl. So we ask my son, what do you want the baby to be? And you know, there's only two options. Is there going to be a boy or a girl? And he looks at me straight in the eye and says, I want him to be a lion. And I was like, OK, that wasn't an option.
Speaker: What's really cool about that is we named him Benaiah, who is the lion chaser of the Bible. That is what he's known for. Not because my son said that, but it did play into it really well. Oh, that's pretty fun. That's cute.
Speaker: going to grow up to be a I think in some sense of t not with actual lions,
Speaker: That is an awesome wish for your stats. Alright, so Ashley, before we get into this episode, we want you to recommend an Enneagram test that our listeners can take. They can pause right here and go take an Enneagram test so they can enjoy this episode to the fullest knowing what their Enneagram type is. Yes, I would love for them to go to Enneagram Institute.
Speaker: and I want them to take the ready test. That's R -H -E -T -I. It's $12 to take it, but it is the most official best test out there. You can also search and take free versions of the test if you don't want to pay for it. I would just encourage you, don't take those like, you know, take them with a grain of salt and really do your research further. Don't just believe this is my type.
Speaker: Got it. Okay guys, we'll link that in the show notes. Pause right here and go take it. We'll be here when you get back. Yes. That's right. So as people can tell from the title and that little clip, we're going to be talking about Enneagram types today. But first we want to hear a little bit about yourself and your family. Ashley, give us a little intro.
Speaker: Okay, so I have five children. Me and my husband have been married for 12 years. Our oldest child is eight and our youngest is one. We have one girl and four boys. So they provide me with a lot of laughs, stories, and struggles. You know, it's always, every day is a little bit different. I have been a working mom since my daughter was born. I actually took my real estate exam when I was 40 weeks pregnant.
Speaker: I freaked out the instructor a little bit, you know, when I was in there walking in with my big belly. They always think you're about ready to explode when you tell 40 weeks, like, oh, you're going to, your water's going to break right here on my chair. Like a movie set, you know? Probably not, yeah. Yeah, it was a fun side fact, like all my kids have been late. So I had one a little bit early, but my other's like, I am a notoriously 42 week moment. I feel you.
Speaker: So my favorite thing to do was when people, you know, you get tired of people asking you when you're doing, you say, what do you do? Oh, two weeks ago.
Speaker: to flip out and back away slowly. Don't you love that to see their faces? It just pears them to death. I know this drill, trust me. I know how this works. I've been a real estate agent for nine years now, working in Oklahoma all around. And at this point, I've sold about 70 million in Oklahoma real estate, so pretty busy.
Speaker: started a brokerage in 2019. So me and a business partner started a brokerage here in Edmond. It's called Flourish Real Estate Group. We currently have about 40 agents and we're still growing. And then at my spare time,
Speaker: I like to write books. I have three out currently, Raising a Business and Babies, and then I have a devotional called 30 Days to Shine, and another standalone book called Overrated. Those are all on Amazon, and I'm currently writing a Bible study. So, love writing. We live on a 40 -acre ranch outside of Edmond. We have cows, and I love gardening and cooking and doing all the things.
Speaker: So that's a little bit about me in a nutshell. Whoo. That sounds amazing. And I love listening to your podcast episodes as well and getting to know you better. There was one, especially that resonated with me. It was about, you know, how to do, how to get everything, how to fit everything in. And your basic in a nutshell was like, you can't.
Speaker: That's a short answer. You gotta figure out, I like to say life is not about balance because there's no such thing as balance. It's about finding a harmony that works for you. And so finding that rhythm and finding what works best for your family and not being afraid to ask for help where you need it.
Speaker: Yeah, we have an episode all about that called The Myth of Balance. I think I listened to that one. Yeah, yeah. All right, so before we dive in and talk more about Enneagrams, can you give us, just in case our listeners haven't had a chance to take that ready test, can you just give us a short reader's condensed version of the Enneagram types before we get started?
Speaker: Yes. So I want to tell you guys a little like what the Enneagram is. And I want to start off by saying this. The Enneagram is not absolute truth. The Bible is the only absolute truth out there. The Enneagram is a system. It's a tool. It's a tool to help us know ourselves better and to love others better. So I like to start off by saying that.
Speaker: The Enneagram was developed a long time ago. We don't even know how old it is, but it's old. It's a system of personality typing that describes patterns and how people interpret the world and manage their emotions. It describes nine personality types and maps each of these types on a nine -pointed diagram, which helps illustrate how they relate to one another.
Speaker: Okay, so there's nine types. I'm going to go over these nine types very briefly, and then we'll get into questions and diving deeper. So there's nine types. The best way I think to say this is to say you are not your number, you identify as your number, basically.
Speaker: You are a piece of each of these numbers. I like to say the only perfect person was Jesus and he represented all nine types perfectly. The rest of us, we just, we resonate more with one and we have pieces of all the others.
Speaker: So I'm gonna start with the one. The one is a reformer. Ones are typically perfectionists. They have an inner critic sitting on their shoulder that really picks at everything they do. The inner critic really says, you didn't do this right. You should do this better. Ones aim for perfection. They are really great at tasks. Everything they do, it may take them a long time to do it, but it's gonna be done well.
Speaker: So, that is a one. That's a reformer. A type two is called a helper. A helper is someone just like it says. They love helping people. Their entire motivation is helping others. Two's are wonderful friends to have, as you might imagine. They are wonderful people to be married to, if you're married to a two.
Speaker: So like I said, helping is their core motivation. Number three is an achiever. Achievers are also called performers. These types, this is what I am. I can speak on this more. Threes, our main desire is self -protecting ourself. We are very image conscious. We like to be seen as productive. Laziness is our absolute pet peeve.
Speaker: And so we are go -go -go -getters, more like energizer buddies. So that's the achiever. Type fours, these are the individualists. You often see this type with artists, people who produce music, writers, actors, things like this. They really resonate with their own feelings and are very comfortable expressing themselves.
Speaker: Type 5s are investigators. The investigators are those who are very analytically minded. They like to pick something out and then learn everything about it. They are the type that will research
Speaker: something to the maximum before they will make that purchase. They're the type of friends you want to have. If you need to buy something, you just call your friend who's a 5 and ask them what they bought because they've already researched everything about it. That's the investigator. Type 6. This is called the loyalist. This is, from what I understand, the most common number
Speaker: of all people in the world. But surprisingly, I don't have a ton of friends who are sixes. So they are called the loyalist. Loyalist, as you would imagine, are very true and loyal to the people they love. They are also those who look for worst case scenarios in any situation.
Speaker: I often hear that the sixes will walk down the road and think, what could happen to me by walking down this road? Could a car run over me? Could somebody rob me? Could I do this? Could I do this? And they think out every scenario before it ever plays out. They know where the exits are when they enter any room.
Speaker: The sevens, they are the enthusiasts. Sevens are wonderful friends to have because they bring the fun. Sevens are the life of the party. I've got several seven friends and I call them my party in a bag friends.
Speaker: They're blowing the balloons up. They're planning the parties. They strive for fun and they will get past the hard things in life to get to the fun. They like to skip over hard. They don't like to sit in hard for too long. They want to get to the fun things. Those are the sevens, the enthusiasts.
Speaker: Eights, these are the challengers. My husband is an eight. Challengers, they are very good leaders. They are often authority figures, often bosses. And the challengers have a hard time with being told no. They are very, very black and white people. There's no grays with them.
Speaker: challengers fight for social injustice, they fight for right and wrong, and they can often be seen as a little cold, a little hard -hearted, but they really have a soft exterior if you can get past that hard.
Speaker: The last type is called the peacemaker. The peacemakers are gentle, loving. They want to keep the peace in everything they do. They can often be seen as a little bit of a sloth mode because their favorite thing to do is veg out and do nothing. They are very good at having lazy days, very good at not having any confrontation and just enjoying life. So that's a little bit about each type.
Speaker: Oh wow, thank you so much for getting us that rundown. I think that if you guys in our audience are like me, you definitely heard yourself in there somewhere and you heard like maybe some of your kids in there somewhere and we're going to talk about
Speaker: how learning your type and your kid's type is gonna benefit everybody in your family. Just for the sake of kind of fun as we go through this episode, Bonnie and I'll share what we have tested as our types. So I have taken several tests and always come up as a type one, the reformer. Okay.
Speaker: Yeah, I come up as a 3, an achiever with a heavy dose of 7, which is the enthusiast, which is kind of a conflict, and I do feel conflicted sometimes. We'll try to dive into that. Yeah. How about you, Ashley? So I am a strong, strong 3. It is pretty, and I can talk to you about this.
Speaker: Three, like any type, any type has good and bad. You know, you've got the blessing and the curse with each number I call it. And so maybe I can tell you some things and you can tell me if you relate to it. So being a three, I'm very good at getting things done, but I'm very, very bad at sitting for very long.
Speaker: Yes, ma 'am. I can identify with that for sure. I think it drives my husband crazy because my husband is most definitely a peacemaker and he just wants to sit around and relax and I'm like, we can't just sit here and do nothing. We were sitting by the pool yesterday. I sat down for about three minutes.
Speaker: And then I got up and started watering my plants, cleaning the patio off. My husband's like, can you not just sit? I'm like, no. He's like, that is a problem. I'm like, I know it is a problem. I recognize that, but I'd much rather go clean up this mess over here because I can't look at it. I have to fix it. So that's the problem with our number, let me tell you.
Speaker: That's right. And the ones, did you relate when I was talking about the inner critic? Did you feel that? Oh yeah, I wish I could get away from that guy. He is so annoying. I've never had him. Do you have him, Audrey? I have never lived without him.
Speaker: Oh. Yeah. And that makes me so sad to hear that. I hear that from my one friends, so it's very common. Now, from what I read about a one, it looks like there's a strong moral sense of things as well, right? Not just like perfectionism in like Audrey's business or home life, but like morally as well.
Speaker: Yes, I think I think ones and eights are very, very strong morals, very strong sense of right and wrong, no grays. I think that's very common of both types. And you'll see that in a lot of types, like, you know, ones, fives and eights kind of mirror each other.
Speaker: They just have different core factors and motivations. But all three of those are very much like deep thinkers. Not really feelers, but deep thinkers.
Speaker: Yeah. So I would say that's true. Yeah. From what I understand about any gram types, and you'll have to correct me if I'm wrong, but it's also kind of like personality types where when you're the healthy version of your number, all the good blessing parts come out. And when you're the unhealthy version of your number, then like the unhealthy, the, you know, kind of the negative curse parts start coming out.
Speaker: Yeah so like for example with a one when I'm healthy like that that critic is there but I can just tell him you know sit down and be quiet it's my turn right now but when I'm in the unhealthy version of myself boy that critic just can talk me out of so much stuff. Yeah and I think the best way to say that is I like to see it as a cylinder we're all on our cylinder sliding up and down between
Speaker: healthy, unhealthy, kind of in the middle. And so like you said, when you're in your healthy, you know, you're in the great place. And then when you slide to unhealth, we call that the stress arrow. And what your stress arrow does is save you and brings you back where you need to be.
Speaker: That is an interesting way to put it. Yeah. Yeah. And we can go over that with you guys numbers too, kind of what the stress arrows mean. So like a one, um, you haven't, so basically your wings as a one are, or you're either a two or a nine wing. Your wings are either side of you. Think of it like a bird. You have two wings. Uh, you have access to both of those wings. It's just that one, if you didn't, like you'd be flying in a circle and going nowhere.
Speaker: That one is going to be stronger than the other. So as a one, I'm just going to read you these wings real quick. As a nine wing, you would tend to detach. You can be easy going, objective, calm, moderate, or impersonal and stubborn. If you're a one with a two wing, you tend to express your feelings more. You can be helpful, empathetic, warm, sensitive to others, but you can also be controlling.
Speaker: Yes, so I would say I definitely have both those wings, like I identify with both the two and the nine. That's great. That's that thing. And I think that's good. And like, that's good that you you you can you have access to both of those. That's that's healthy. You're so balanced, Audrey. Good job. What kind of sucks about the Enneagram is like you read stuff about yourself and you're like, well, that hurts. Hello. Yeah, who's following me around taking notes because they got it right. Yeah.
Speaker: When you read about your number, you're going to feel like that's exactly how you're going to feel. You're going to feel kind of cringy like somebody is watching me. But it does make you feel very seen that you're not alone. Other people feel this way. Yes, totally. I'll read you the wings of the three real quick.
Speaker: Okay. Okay. Three wings. So if you're a three, you're either a two or a four wing. If you're a three, two wing, you tend to be people oriented, helpful, socially adept, tuned into others and charming, but we can also be possessive, flattering, and manipulative. Isn't that beautiful?
Speaker: And then as a three, if you have a four wing, you tend to have a very strong imagination. You can be creative, introspective, subdued, or arrogant and pretentious. Oh, good question. You know, I think I probably lean more towards the four wing, but I do see a little bit too.
Speaker: And I'm a three wing two. Yeah. Huh. So we wing, and that's why people who have the same number can actually look very, very different. Right, right, right. Because if your wings are different, you can, you can look like a different person for sure. So the wings are interesting.
Speaker: Such a fascinating study. I love that. It is. And it goes so deep and you can go so much deeper with it. But just knowing the basics, wow, it's just, it's really life -changing. Yeah. Yeah. And that's why we wanted to talk to you more about Enneagrams. Like we can learn these things all day, but we have a series of questions for you where we want you to help show our listeners how they can
Speaker: learn their Enneagram types and use it to help grow their families. So we're going to start with the first one. So why do you recommend for parents to learn their own Enneagram types? I think as parents, it helps us discover why we do the things we do. It's funny to find somebody else with your number and compare all the ways you're the same. It's fascinating. Like with any other personality test, it's a tool. I like to say, you know, eat the meat and throw away the bones.
Speaker: take the most important stuff from it. For me and my husband as parents, it has helped us tremendously in our marriage to realize our types and then to be able to bond and to be able to like realize what our strengths and weaknesses are and be aware of those.
Speaker: It's helped us relate better to each other. It's helped us relate better to our employees as we're both business owners and to our children. So I just really recommend it because it just helps you know yourself better, know your partner better, and know the people closest to you better.
Speaker: Oh, yeah. I love that that you mentioned how it benefits your like your spouse and your marriage because just understanding each other better helps every relationship. Yeah. So how does knowing your own type benefit your child? You know, I think it makes you realize how you can parent to the best of your ability.
Speaker: It's easy for me as a three to work, work, work and do, do, do. It's very hard for me to rest. Um, I know by knowing my Enneagram test, my Enneagram type, it's helped me realize that and it helped, it's helped me be more intentional with my parenting. Like being like, it's okay to rest and sit down and play with my kids. It's okay. We have a swimming pool.
Speaker: And I was realizing that I was sitting outside with my kids every day watching them swim while I was like working through my planner or reading a book because I'm all about productivity guys like fun can wait.
Speaker: I'm about producing and I made me realize like, you know, get out of your three head and go have fun with your kids. Since then I've been swimming every day with my kids and it's just made me realize like, you know, you
Speaker: You got to look beyond yourself and what comes naturally to you and focus on what's going to be best for your kids and your future and your memories. So yeah, it's helped me be more intentional. That's so awesome. Especially as a fellow three, I've learned personally that I have to schedule my fun, which to all the fun lovers is like, that's beside the point. You're ruining it. But that's how I have to do it. I have to say on Fridays, we're going to go do this fun thing because otherwise we're just going to get things done all day.
Speaker: and my kids think I'm the worst, you know? So, okay, I love that. On another note, how do you think that parents learning their children's types, Enneagram types, could benefit the parents? You know, like, I often get asked, when should you have your child take the test? I don't know the exact answer to that. From what I'm hearing and can tell, I would say definitely wait till they're 12 or 13.
Speaker: I don't have any kids there yet, so none of mine have taken it. I'm picking out qualities in them on what I think they may turn into, but I don't, you know, you guys have taken the test. Anyone younger than 13, I don't think is going to really understand the questions.
Speaker: I do have a friend whose daughter is 11 and she rephrased the questions to her as she asked them to help her better understand them. And she did get a result that she feels like is accurate for her daughter.
Speaker: But I feel like in childhood, that's when you're being shaped and molded into what you're going to become. And so I have a hard time putting my children in a box when they're young, because I feel like they are still becoming who they're going to be. God made them who they were going to be when they were born, but everything they go through is shaping out who they're going to become.
Speaker: I can look at my three self and realize why I became that way. And it all really stems back to junior high, high school, by my parents basically telling me, you receive love through doing well and performing well and being the best. And so that turned me into the three that I am, which there's good and bad to that.
Speaker: So, you know, I think you have to know your child, each child's different, and have them take the test when you feel like they're ready, but don't put them in a box. Oh, I love that you said it like that. I think you're totally right. I think that that is part of the joy of childhood is for kids to try on all these different hats and see which one fits the best, and that there's this nice balance of nature and nurture, turning them into the ultimate adult that they're going to be, and to just allow that process to happen organically, right?
Speaker: Exactly, exactly. I mean, you know, I think we're here to help shape our children into who God created them to be. He already knows who they're going to be. And we're just here to do our best to help them become that.
Speaker: Yeah, I like how you put it about not putting your kids in a box. We phrased it a little bit differently in our episode on way back when on picky eaters. And we talked about not labeling your kids as, you know, this kid, well, you know, they don't like, they don't like peas. So, you know, giving them a label, but, you know, just we suggested wait a little while and then introduce peas again, that kind of thing. But yeah, I really like how you have cautioned people not to put your kids in a certain Enneagram number, just let them
Speaker: grow and develop into who they could be. So this might be kind of an obvious question or might not even be answerable at this point. So if you think your child is a certain Enneagram type or another, how can that benefit your child by you understanding more about Enneagram types? How does that help your child?
Speaker: if you, by understanding what you think their number would be. Yeah, yeah. I think it helps you relate better to them. You know, my daughter is definitely gonna be a number that's a thinker. And so I have to relate to her differently than I would with my son who might be a seven. He's all about the fun. He's all about getting past the hard to get to fun. So I'm gonna parent them a little different. I think a big mistake
Speaker: that a lot of parents can make, especially with multiple children is saying, I'm going to parent them all the same. That's just not really doable. Each of our children is so, so different. And while I think our foundation should be the same with each child as far as like teaching them
Speaker: you know, morals and beliefs and strong values. I think we have to parent each child different. We've all got that one child who's like, gosh, I mean, my five year old, I have to get in his face and look him in the eyes a lot. He does not respond well to disciplines that my other children might respond very well to. So I think when you realize your children's number, especially as they get older into their teenage years, you can parent them and talk to them a little bit different because their minds work differently.
Speaker: Yeah, I think that's where it's going to get especially helpful is when your kids get into the teenage years and parents kind of have, especially like we have some episodes on teenagers because we just love to talk about it so much. But parents kind of sometimes have a hard time relating to their children
Speaker: when their children are growing and developing differently than they did. And so that's kind of where I really feel like this Enneagram is going to become an awesome tool in a parent's toolbox is just by knowing, well, these levers aren't working with this kid because that's not how they're motivated. That's not who they're growing up to be.
Speaker: maybe learning a different lever. And even though it's foreign to you to try to use this way of interacting or this, you know, reward system of whatever that's more, more compatible with their type. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That can be really helpful.
Speaker: And I think it'll be great for you to just knowing each other's number because you work together a lot. I think it'll help you understand each other's feelings and motivations better. For some of your best friends like I've got a group of like five women that we
Speaker: You know, I consider them to be my best friends. I know their numbers and it just helps us understand each other better. Not that we're like crazy people that, you know, box each other in and are like, you can't do this because you're a one. No, it's like I understand my seven friends because I know what they are and I know what their motivations are and it just helps me love them better.
Speaker: Right, right. To just understand your loved ones on a bit of a deeper level, right? Yeah, exactly. I will say that just knowing your type, Audrey, all of a sudden I'm like, oh, things become a lot clearer, which is pretty cool. One question I wanted to ask was, so let's say one of our listeners has figured out their main type and thought, oh, there's so many great things about this type, but also eek. Yes, those are definitely weaknesses. How do we best go about
Speaker: handling those and trying to work through those weaknesses once we've identified them. That's a great question. And you know, like, I think your weaknesses are always going to be more of a fight for you more of something you have to be very conscious of their your strengths are going to be a lot more natural for you. Your strengths are going to be things that you just naturally do really well and gravitate
Speaker: toward. Your weaknesses are probably always going to be weaknesses to you, but you can improve them. You can be intentional and conscious of them. You know, for me, I know my weaknesses and while, you know, they're still not fun for me, I can be aware and try to get better and try to become a more balanced, healthy version of myself and live that way.
Speaker: Oh, I love that. What a great answer. Just even just awareness takes you so far. Yes. Yeah. And I can tell my husband, like as an eight, I'm like, you know, oh, your eight's coming out real strong and you're sliding down the unhealthy zone.
Speaker: When he first took the test, he told me what he was, and I was like, oh my goodness, you're an eight? That is my least favorite number. I was going to say, I thought threes and eights probably wouldn't get along so well. I think they would butt heads a lot, right? He's like, oh, thanks, babe. I'm your least favorite number. That's great.
Speaker: Obviously, I married you, so I love you, but it does explain a lot of things to me now. When we were in premarital counseling back in the day, we're both firstborns. I remember the pastor told us, I never see two firstborns get married.
Speaker: That is very rare. Are you guys sure about this? And we're like, yeah, we're in good, so we are. But yeah, threes and eights mirror each other a lot. And I'll just talk about that for a minute. Both being threes and eights, we're both very driven, very motivated, both very much working toward our goals all the time. Knowing that about ourselves,
Speaker: We have to be conscious about not discussing work as much at home and just enjoying life like with our kids, putting things in place to have fun. Like we intentionally, you know, bought a house with a swimming pool so it forced us to swim.
Speaker: We put a basketball goal up. We got our cows and we have buckets of food to make sure we feed them every day. We built a garden. Like these things are things that we've intentionally put in place to get us outside, you know, away from computers and screens and like
Speaker: pretty much force us to just enjoy life. And I will say no number is gender -based. There are female and male versions of each type, but I will say a female eight is gonna behave differently than a male eight a lot of times. So female eights get a really bad rap a lot of time because they are the blunt, honest people. When they're an eight, you know they're an eight, but gosh, they're super effective, especially when they're in a healthy version of themselves.
Speaker: Yeah, if you need something done, man, get an eight. Mm -hmm, exactly.
Speaker: Well, you guys, we hope this episode has been as fascinating for you as it has been for us because, like, now I just want to go ask everybody I know to take a test so I can understand them better and interact with them better. And also, I have to admit that understanding myself, like, taking the test and understanding myself and seeing that, well, just honestly, that I'm not the only one out there with this massive inner critic that won't leave me alone was just kind of a relief.
Speaker: Though we're really, really glad that you came on and helped us to get started down this Enneagram path. I think we're going to be like devout converts now. Yes, it is so interesting. And I'll give you guys a quick little like podcast and a book to listen to. There's a book called The Road Back to You. It's by N. Crohn.
Speaker: It's on Amazon or Better World Books. I've been getting all my books there. It's like they were skip books from landfills and they're super cheap to buy. So little plug, betterworldbooks .com. The Road Back to You is a great book. And then Typology is an Enneagram podcast that he does.
Speaker: Okay, cool. Yeah. And tell our listeners, Ashley, right before we wrap up, where they can find you on the internet so they can get more about you. Yep. I'm excited to get to connect with some of your listeners and become friends. They can find me on Facebook, just Ashley Schubert, or on Instagram, AshleySchubert, underscore, speaks, or AshleySchubertSpeaks .com.
Speaker: I post a lot about, like I talked about today, my cows, my gardening, cooking, fun stuff. I go for a walk every day. So, you know, I'm always like sharing the things I'm just doing and trying to like, like I told you guys, be intentional about enjoying life along with the productivity. Oh, I love it. You sound like an amazing person. We should meet in person sometime.
Speaker: Well, thanks so much for listening, everyone. Ashley, thanks so much for being our guest. And we can't wait to connect with you on the internet. I could talk to you guys for hours. Thanks for having me today. I enjoyed it so much. And I enjoyed being on the show. And God bless you guys. Thanks for having me. You too. Bye bye. Bye.
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