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Speaker: Aliens watching reality TV.
Speaker: Welcome back to aliens watching reality TV.
Speaker: I'm Erica.
Speaker: And I'm Josh.
Speaker: And we just watched the love is blind reunion.
Speaker: Live stream.
Speaker: Just kidding.
Speaker: Not live stream.
Speaker: And when Erica says we just watched, that is a big exaggeration.
Speaker: Because I watched it yesterday.
Speaker: I just watched it.
Speaker: I watched it quote-unquote live as opposed to Erica who had to watch recording.
Speaker: Yeah, which means you got to see 30 more minutes of dog shit than I did.
Speaker: Ha ha ha.
Speaker: I mean, honestly, it was all dark shit.
Speaker: It was good dark shit.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I liked parts of it, but then like the last like half or third or so, I just stopped having any fun at all.
Speaker: I was like, there were there were parts that were really, really bad.
Speaker: It was I mean, there were fun parts.
Speaker: Definitely.
Speaker: It was overall not a waste of time, I would say.
Speaker: since I got to watch it when I, you know, on time.
Speaker: Um, but there were, there was a lot of cringe and there's, uh, there's, there's a couple of things that I want to bring up.
Speaker: Um, one of them being about Vanessa Lachey and yeah, let's, let's dig into this cause yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, tell us about how you managed to watch this.
Speaker: Oh boy.
Speaker: Well, um, I refreshed it about 8,000 times.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: until it became apparent that everyone who was going to be able to watch it, uh, yesterday evening, um, was already watching it, and it was not going to load in my fucking area until today at 2 p.m., so, um, eventually I gave up and moved on with my life.
Speaker: I don't remember what I did after that, and then at 2 p.m., I finally watched it, and
Speaker: Also, by that point, I kind of heard a lot about it by then, and I had heard a lot of people be very disappointed in it.
Speaker: They thought it was bad, and they thought Vanessa ruined it.
Speaker: But I really... I just couldn't have imagined just how bad it was, because I like things that are bad.
Speaker: Scary Movie 3 is one of my favorite movies.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But this was like not the fun kind of bad.
Speaker: Scary movies are the best.
Speaker: They're like the greatest movies of all time.
Speaker: Well, okay.
Speaker: This is clearly why we have a podcast together because we have similar tastes.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: But Scary Movie 3 is by far the best scary movie.
Speaker: By far.
Speaker: This is the one that parodies signs, right?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Where the guys, like the white rapper, right.
Speaker: I got a dream.
Speaker: CJ and Mahalik have those philosophical discussions.
Speaker: How do you turn up missing?
Speaker: How do you wake up dead?
Speaker: If a mouse is in the house, it goes out of the house and it's a rat.
Speaker: Yeah, Jesus.
Speaker: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker: But what if it's a mouse and it's on the outside and it's a rat and it's on the inside?
Speaker: Because it's a rat, fool.
Speaker: Exactly.
Speaker: So, like, clearly, like, I'm not looking for prestige, uh...
Speaker: art all the time.
Speaker: But this was bad in a different kind of way, just an infuriating way.
Speaker: And part of why it's bad is because Vanessa Lachey is unbelievably neurotypical to the point where she truly believes that her perspective is the truth and basically everyone agrees and
Speaker: she cannot see outside of it so her hosting is so fucking biased um that like now it's just it's been like two seasons in a row that I've watched her like bully and neurodivergent man into despair and I just I don't feel like she should have that the opportunity to fucking do that anymore you know
Speaker: Yeah, no, I feel like she just, the backlash is going to be pretty severe.
Speaker: Because I feel like that wasn't just the polish, it wasn't the first thing.
Speaker: I mean, not the first thing, but rather, for me, that wasn't the most serious thing.
Speaker: The most serious thing was when she started talking about babies.
Speaker: And she started to ask couples about when they want to have a baby.
Speaker: And it just, you know, especially bliss.
Speaker: And it just felt... And especially Tiffany.
Speaker: Like, you don't ask a 36-year-old woman about having babies, like, willy-nilly.
Speaker: Because, like... Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: First of all, you ask nobody about having babies.
Speaker: But then, you know...
Speaker: Like, it's, it really, it's not appropriate.
Speaker: I've hated it my entire life when, anytime anyone has asked me a question like that, because I've never wanted kids, don't want them, never going to have them.
Speaker: Um, but like, just especially knowing how many people like, who start trying to have kids later, like have such painful, like emotionally painful struggles with their fertility.
Speaker: It's just like, you should,
Speaker: assume that that is a conversation full of landmines and you just like, it's just so weird that she has absolutely no awareness of other people's experience.
Speaker: Yeah, it just felt really like, I mean, not to mention the fact that we had a very long, painful conversation with Vanessa Lachey grilling Paul about the fact that he had just said that, you know, Micah just was nurturing enough, you know?
Speaker: Like, Micah did not appear nurturing enough to him.
Speaker: Which, like, obviously she fucking didn't.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And Micah was reportedly very, very unhappy and very upset.
Speaker: And apparently, you know, she was, you know, crying about all this thing.
Speaker: And so, Vanessa Lachey bringing up motherhood all over again.
Speaker: Like, pushing it on everybody.
Speaker: My God.
Speaker: Honestly, though, I think the most, like...
Speaker: obviously fireable offense is the way that, um, they handled an accusation of Marshall making a transphobic comment or using a transphobic slur.
Speaker: And, um, obviously, uh, Vanessa does not understand like why transphobia is bad because, uh, she thought that like, Oh, if somebody said that to me,
Speaker: I don't know how I feel about that.
Speaker: It's she was literally like, I don't know how transphobic I would be to see how bothered I would be by being, uh, compared to a man or a trans woman.
Speaker: Like that was her reaction.
Speaker: Like, no, that's not why a transphobic comment is bad.
Speaker: It's because it's harmful to trans people.
Speaker: It's not about you fucking Vanessa.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I, uh,
Speaker: I feel like that is the most obvious fuck-up that I think really could, I don't know, probably break some corporate policy.
Speaker: There were a lot of things.
Speaker: But nobody else seems to really have even noticed.
Speaker: I haven't seen anyone talking about it.
Speaker: Nobody seems upset about it.
Speaker: It just, you know, the whole... I feel like the whole Jackie thing just was so shitty.
Speaker: Like, first of all, Jackie said horrible things, and then she came in and then drags in Marshall.
Speaker: Preemptively, okay?
Speaker: She preemptively drags in Marshall.
Speaker: And obviously what Marshall said was just as horrible as she had said.
Speaker: Yeah, and I do want to get into all this, but...
Speaker: I think we should go in order or else this conversation will probably make me lose my mind.
Speaker: Oh my gosh.
Speaker: This is going to be one of those long episodes.
Speaker: If you are a fan of long episodes.
Speaker: Well, we have at least one iTunes podcast review that says they are down for the long episodes.
Speaker: So at least one person.
Speaker: That's enough for me.
Speaker: Honestly, we'll see how long this ends up being because I took extensive notes, but it also made me so mad to watch this that it's quite possible at some point.
Speaker: I'm just gonna be like, and I can't talk about this anymore.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: If we make it to the, if you make it to the end of this podcast, I am going to do that rap from scary movie three.
Speaker: Uh, the white boy rap.
Speaker: I hope that,
Speaker: makes people want to listen instead of turn it off early.
Speaker: So I'm going to be like, ooh,
Speaker: I'm out.
Speaker: Now everybody in the 202, throw your hands in the air because Fat Joe is through.
Speaker: Now everybody in the 202.
Speaker: I just can't believe that.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: You also know every word I'm hearing.
Speaker: We've never discussed this before.
Speaker: I'm a white boy.
Speaker: I'm a white boy, but my neck is red.
Speaker: I put Miracle Whip on my Wonder Bread.
Speaker: My face is pale enough.
Speaker: I've never been in jail.
Speaker: Me and Buffy spent every winter at Vail.
Speaker: How many bitches have I slapped?
Speaker: Zero.
Speaker: And Martha Stewart happens to be my hero.
Speaker: I grew up on a farm and I was born with no rhythm.
Speaker: Dr. Phil's my uncle and I like to hang with him.
Speaker: I can't dance.
Speaker: I wore khaki pants.
Speaker: My middle name's Lance.
Speaker: My grandma's from France.
Speaker: So maybe I'm whack because my skin ain't black.
Speaker: But you can't talk back.
Speaker: Because Whitney.
Speaker: Oh, because Whitey just struck back.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Well, now everyone who was just listening for the rap is going to turn it off the podcast.
Speaker: Which is like half our audience.
Speaker: No, this is going to be a long episode.
Speaker: Everyone secretly fucking loves Scary Movie 3 content.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: So obviously they start with Brett and Tiffany because, you know, yeah.
Speaker: And they, God.
Speaker: So this is even like, this is the most softball section.
Speaker: This is the easiest part of the interview to do.
Speaker: And still it was done terribly.
Speaker: Vanessa starts with like, oh, so you guys, you know, you ran off to the bridal suite on your wedding day.
Speaker: We actually have a little video of that.
Speaker: And then they just cut to that video of Tiffany when she fell asleep in the pods.
Speaker: And you can.
Speaker: Oh, God.
Speaker: It was such a poorly executed joke that like, first of all, it wasn't funny and had no timing, really.
Speaker: But there's also like you can see Tiffany, you know, she's like.
Speaker: picture in picture you know she's on the app no it's clearly she doesn't get it at first because I was like what and then oh this is the joke you know it's like is that poorly executed of a joke that it took Tiffany a second to figure out like how to react to it you know and just be like oh yes haha yeah no it was like I mean that's all you could find from all that beautiful you know
Speaker: serenading and all that beautiful, you know, all those beautiful dates and all those beautiful moments.
Speaker: Like that's what you found.
Speaker: Great.
Speaker: Also, like, of course I understand bringing that up because like it was a big moment, but then she just asks Tiffany about it.
Speaker: Tiffany doesn't have much to say about it because Tiffany was asleep.
Speaker: That's the whole fucking point.
Speaker: Who she should have asked about it was Brett.
Speaker: Brett had a whole evening going through an entire, like, emotional experience that then he had to immediately choose to, like, get over the next day.
Speaker: Like, Brett would have a fascinating answer to, like, what was your experience?
Speaker: But no, it was just like, um, what were you thinking when you woke up?
Speaker: She's like, I was thinking, whoa, I'm awake.
Speaker: You know, like...
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, literally.
Speaker: Whoever wrote all of these questions also should be fired.
Speaker: I doubt Vanessa would have to write all of her own questions.
Speaker: I don't fucking know, though.
Speaker: Fire them.
Speaker: To me, honestly, that was... I mean, it was a little bit disrespectful, partly because Brett and Tiffany kind of carried the show up to that point.
Speaker: They were the couple that stick around and was the stable couple.
Speaker: Netflix's bio on Twitter right now just says...
Speaker: Brett and Tiffany forever.
Speaker: And then, Brett and Tiffany got like, two minutes of the special, like, yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, that was, that was, it was a little bit weird.
Speaker: Um, I also felt like, if you're gonna bring up a sleeping thing, even just like, I want to know, because obviously, I brought it up for her.
Speaker: You know, does she have any, like, sleep disorders?
Speaker: Any kind of narcolepsy going on?
Speaker: That's what I would be interested in.
Speaker: There are actually interesting questions you could ask about her falling asleep.
Speaker: But they decided not to ask anything that might accidentally be interesting.
Speaker: And then they fucking move on, basically.
Speaker: And then Brett and Tiffany just have to sit there politely for the next hour.
Speaker: No.
Speaker: Like, trying to... Especially Tiffany, she's got such an expressive face.
Speaker: And I think sometimes, it's like, it looks like anyways, you can sort of see her reminding herself to not show her emotion on her face or show a different way.
Speaker: Even though this thing is going on that is not cool, I have to...
Speaker: Smile a little bit.
Speaker: It was just like, why are you making her do that for the next hour?
Speaker: Like, if you were only going to ask them three stupid questions and then not even put the camera on them the rest of the time, like, let them sit in a green room and eat snacks, at least.
Speaker: That's what I would want.
Speaker: I'm projecting this.
Speaker: I mean, I wouldn't want that on, honestly.
Speaker: Snacks?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You don't want snacks?
Speaker: No, no.
Speaker: I don't know about snacks.
Speaker: I feel like... The wildest thing you've ever said.
Speaker: Weed.
Speaker: I think a joint would be great.
Speaker: Just give me a joint, and then I'll be in a green room.
Speaker: Yeah, that's the problem with a live event.
Speaker: You can't pause it for a little weed break that the police don't know about, you know?
Speaker: Oh my gosh, yeah.
Speaker: I mean, the police?
Speaker: What are you talking about?
Speaker: I'm in California.
Speaker: It's legal here.
Speaker: Um, that's true.
Speaker: I live in Texas where it's still like- They were in LA, and they were in LA, so, you know, could have done it.
Speaker: Right, they should have just passed that bitch around.
Speaker: Um, yeah.
Speaker: But yeah, I was positively... I was very disappointed in the way that Brett and Tiffany were like... Yeah, they should have gotten at least more time than they got.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think so.
Speaker: But yeah, let's move on to the next couple.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So... We basically have a long Chelsea Kwame section.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I feel like all of the stuff that involves just Chelsea and Kwame's relationship, let them tell themselves the story they want to tell themselves.
Speaker: Yes, they're rewriting history a little bit.
Speaker: But they are already fucking married.
Speaker: Like, that's not a decision that needs to be made anymore.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And if that is what they have decided to do in order to feel comfortable with it and be able to happily move on with each other, I think that's fine.
Speaker: And I don't think we should be like, but wait, aren't you forgetting that you did like this person longer than you're saying?
Speaker: Like, come on.
Speaker: If Kwame wants to insist that he was already over Micah by the time she dumped him, like, let him do that.
Speaker: That's... I mean, literally, dude.
Speaker: Dude.
Speaker: He knew Micah for, what, less than a week?
Speaker: And he had not seen her.
Speaker: You know?
Speaker: So... And then afterwards, he had all this long shit with Chelsea.
Speaker: Like, the... Whatchamacallit?
Speaker: The search for drama just makes me sad sometimes.
Speaker: Like, sometimes I don't want drama.
Speaker: Like, what I would have...
Speaker: I keep saying like, yeah, I would have liked more of Tiffany and Brett.
Speaker: This is what I mean.
Speaker: I would have liked to see them go on a date.
Speaker: I would have liked to see them see their life a little better, like what kind of cars that they have.
Speaker: What have you learned in one year of marriage?
Speaker: Yeah, what did you learn?
Speaker: Like, how are things?
Speaker: We got one tip on here's how to build a good relationship.
Speaker: Like, I'm sure they have more.
Speaker: Yeah, no.
Speaker: There was this rush to get this to the, which I'm going to call it, the triangles.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You know?
Speaker: There was a rush to get it to the triangles, and that meant that... What's annoying is that then the drama that, like, did happen, they still... They actually didn't address, like, most of it, and the most, like, important parts of it.
Speaker: So...
Speaker: They act like the stuff that happened between Micah and Kwame was only the conversation at the pool.
Speaker: And it was all about Micah making one ill-conceived joke.
Speaker: That's the thing.
Speaker: Like, they show a whole scene of Chelsea and Micah talking that out, coming to a resolution specifically about, like, yeah, you shouldn't have said that one messed up thing, but we're over it.
Speaker: Um, like, what about Micah, like, grabbing Kwame's chin and pulling it closer to her face, touching his naked chest.
Speaker: Well, bare chest.
Speaker: He wasn't, like, naked.
Speaker: Um, there's, like, there are a lot of other things that happen.
Speaker: The fact that Micah...
Speaker: was telling Kwame, uh, 10 feet away from Chelsea at Chelsea's birthday.
Speaker: Like, I think about you.
Speaker: I still have love for you.
Speaker: We still have potential.
Speaker: Like if you're going to talk about this drama between them, then at least talk about what actually fucking happened and don't pretend it was all just about one joke.
Speaker: Um, but I will say, uh, the things that I think were handled well about that part,
Speaker: I do think Kwame handled it very well.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I think Kwame was just very like his, the, the, yeah.
Speaker: Carry on, please.
Speaker: So I really liked, he said, I'm sorry.
Speaker: I let the ego get the best of me.
Speaker: My, my ego get the best of me and that won't happen again.
Speaker: That's the first time I've heard him recognize or acknowledge that that's why he was doing all of this is because like,
Speaker: the rejection and stuff had hurt his ego and he had to, he had to fix that.
Speaker: So it's great to hear that he, he knows that he knows that that's why it happened because that does mean that it's a lot more likely not to happen again.
Speaker: I also liked that he apologized to Chelsea's family.
Speaker: He understands what's important.
Speaker: I was like,
Speaker: crossing my fingers, hoping that one of those three apologies would not be to Micah.
Speaker: And it wasn't.
Speaker: I was like, thank fucking God.
Speaker: Um, yeah.
Speaker: And you know, some people like they don't believe, they still don't believe Kwame because they have just decided a long time ago that Kwame doesn't love Chelsea.
Speaker: They will.
Speaker: They refuse to change their minds.
Speaker: um i think no i think no i think as soon as the sister showed up i was like this is serious he's not gonna like bring his like a guinea man is not gonna bring in his sister and then not get married like that would just yeah especially if somebody is doing a great job of demonstrating love and a healthy relationship with their partner then
Speaker: Like, that's what matters.
Speaker: Who are we to be like, but I think your secret feelings deep down.
Speaker: Yeah, that deep down, deep down, you are actually an alien.
Speaker: Like, how the fuck do you know they've been married for a whole year?
Speaker: Chelsea looks Chelsea looked radiant.
Speaker: Like she was just so fucking happy.
Speaker: I could not be happier for her.
Speaker: And Kwame was speaking more comfortably and like, um, it just, it felt like he was speaking from the heart, but like we have no problems doing that.
Speaker: And so it's not like he had just rehearsed a few phrases.
Speaker: No, he's pretty sure.
Speaker: He's learned these lessons.
Speaker: He's adjusted his mindset.
Speaker: He seemed like a mentally and emotionally healthier and happier person than last year.
Speaker: And yeah,
Speaker: um i'm happy for them and i also feel like you know it's highly unlikely that like if this was just putting on a show like for netflix they wouldn't have done this good of a job no they would have just showed up and been like yeah we love each other like this was too well done to all be fake in my opinion
Speaker: Yeah, no, I feel like, I feel like Kwame and Chelsea were happy and I feel like they wanted to make Kwame and Chelsea kind of, they wanted to make it look like it was a will they won't they, but yeah.
Speaker: It may have never been nearly as much of a will they want as that being made of a life.
Speaker: I feel like a lot of this was just riding on one thing, which was that moment that Kwame and Micah had in the pool.
Speaker: Like, that was all of this drama, really.
Speaker: Well, that was definitely all that they focused on.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And I also feel like Micah is very lucky that like Chelsea wants to let this go.
Speaker: She does not want this to be a problem.
Speaker: So really Micah just didn't get called out for a whole bunch of extremely inappropriate things that she did.
Speaker: I want to say something else.
Speaker: I felt as a viewer, as a viewer, I felt extremely disrespected that that scene of Chelsea and Micah talking and making things straight was not shown to us.
Speaker: I felt very disrespected.
Speaker: That was unintentional drama.
Speaker: Like you could have just shown that to us.
Speaker: You know, like that's just that is not cool.
Speaker: You made it sound like there was something going on between Chelsea and Kwame and there wasn't like it was just you just created that bullshit.
Speaker: You know, you wouldn't show us Kwame's responses when Chelsea was asking him about whether he loved her or not.
Speaker: And you like with held a really important scene like this is, you know, I don't know how to say like, fuck you guys.
Speaker: Like you should have shown that that that part where
Speaker: Chelsea and Micah talk and so we could be a little more comfortable with the Chelsea-Quammy relationship but that was just sheer manipulation and I felt very sad about it yeah there's I mean that is reality TV there's more manipulation than people imagine I guess I didn't think that that scene was all that monumental because it was still it was acting like it was all about one rude joke that Micah made which I just
Speaker: that's not what it was about.
Speaker: Um, but if you felt that way, then I'm sure other people did too.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, I, I don't know how anyone felt, but like, I, I really felt a bunch of people.
Speaker: I thought, cause you know, I've, I've listened, I've listened to all the podcasts.
Speaker: I like, I look on all the different like social media, uh, platforms.
Speaker: And what's fascinating is like,
Speaker: the conversations just tend to be different on the different platforms.
Speaker: And so I think like, if you're on Twitter, then you think that like, uh, people are like, tend to be more pro Chelsea than pro Kwame.
Speaker: And like, and then if you are, um, on Reddit, you think that Kwame hates Chelsea's guts, does not even remotely like her.
Speaker: Like,
Speaker: And you think that everyone agrees with you because everyone in that little niche sub community that you are in pretty much agrees with you.
Speaker: But, um, yeah, like a lot of people, uh, honestly, a lot of people were 100% convinced that Kwame was going to say no.
Speaker: And, um,
Speaker: I listened to so many podcasts where they were like, shock of the century, everyone in the world was surprised that Kwame said yes, couldn't believe it.
Speaker: I was like, actually not everyone in the world believes, sees things like you do.
Speaker: I wasn't surprised.
Speaker: We weren't surprised.
Speaker: Because also, we hadn't been telling ourselves a story that Kwame doesn't love Chelsea, and then only looking at evidence that would fit our story and ignoring all evidence to the contrary.
Speaker: But that's what those people were doing.
Speaker: Yeah, I think the Kwame, I felt, I mean, Brett and Tiffany should have been given more time, but the Kwame and Chelsea relationship was really, like, they tried to manipulate us into thinking things.
Speaker: It was, it felt kind of, I don't know, it just felt icky.
Speaker: But we knew from the beginning that that was going to happen, so.
Speaker: Yeah, and like, there is so
Speaker: much that like, we can't even imagine all the ways that like these stories have been manipulated for us.
Speaker: Like it's impossible to see through all of it.
Speaker: Because I worked in reality TV, I can see through a lot of it, but I mean, there's just no way to know sometimes.
Speaker: But I do feel like for the people who are determined to believe that,
Speaker: that Chelsea is horrible and Kwame is miserable.
Speaker: They're going to believe that no matter what.
Speaker: They didn't buy any of this today.
Speaker: They thought it all seemed insincere.
Speaker: And I just don't think, like, we're not human fucking lie detectors.
Speaker: There is no such thing as even an accurate lie detector test.
Speaker: That is just not a thing.
Speaker: So you're not an accurate lie detector random person on Reddit who is 100% sure they can see Kwame's soul.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So I feel like they got to say their piece today, yesterday, and explain a lot about their relationship and the reality of it that they wanted to.
Speaker: And the people who are open to believing them will believe them, and the people who are not open to them would not believe it no matter what they fucking said or did.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, those people honestly believed that his sister was a paid actor because they didn't think there was any way.
Speaker: Are you serious?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: You didn't notice them talking about that in the, they bring it up in the live stream.
Speaker: I mean, I thought they were joking, but yeah.
Speaker: No, I'd seen it.
Speaker: A lot of people 100% believed that his sister was a paid actor and that Kwame hadn't introduced Chelsea to any of his real family.
Speaker: And they don't need any evidence in order to believe it because it fits the story they believe.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: No, for me, the story was pretty clear.
Speaker: So also like this, if we end up seeing evidence that looks different than like, then the story changes, but that's, I know that's not how neurotypicals think.
Speaker: Evidence can change.
Speaker: Story can't.
Speaker: That's the neurotypical way.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: Can we pause?
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: So let's move on to Zach and Bliss, who are looking coordinated, mattly in love, just fucking perfect for each other.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah.
Speaker: So they talk about, you know, the I hope you dance.
Speaker: And as they're playing the clip from their wedding, Bliss cries just like watching.
Speaker: from their wedding and then when Zach starts talking about it, he starts tearing up within like five seconds too.
Speaker: I just thought that was really cute.
Speaker: Like they clearly, they must have a lot of like, like good cries together.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I, I felt like they looked great.
Speaker: Um, happy.
Speaker: I felt like Zach just looked so much happier than before.
Speaker: Oh yeah.
Speaker: Zach just looked like a completely different person.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: I mean, it's amazing how much of a difference it makes just to even have one person in your life who's like, I like you exactly the way you are.
Speaker: Yeah, it's so weird to have that.
Speaker: Once you have that, it gives you this weird confidence about yourself.
Speaker: You start acting like what you are is worthy, like it has some kind of value.
Speaker: I'm very lucky that I've always had that.
Speaker: which is part of why I, yeah, I've also always had confidence.
Speaker: And it's not like I've had from a lot of people, but like my mom has always thought I'm great just the way I am.
Speaker: And like that, that can make up for like fucking thousands and thousands of people disagreeing, you know, like having one person can,
Speaker: make a really big difference.
Speaker: I don't want to say like, it's enough.
Speaker: Cause like, um, it's definitely nice to have more than one person who likes you the way you are, but, um, having zero people who like you the way you are, everyone in the world thinks you should change.
Speaker: That's really fucking hard.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: No, I think for him having the, just having her on his side.
Speaker: It makes all, makes the whole difference.
Speaker: Um, it just makes sense.
Speaker: You can see it.
Speaker: Everyone can see it.
Speaker: They've won over almost the whole audience.
Speaker: Almost everything I see now is pretty positive about Zack and Bliss.
Speaker: Sometimes it's like, they are weirdos, I don't really understand them, but they clearly seem good together.
Speaker: Even people who don't really get it still see that there isn't it to get.
Speaker: Yeah, no, there's definitely something going on there.
Speaker: So they, you know, they... I don't mean that in the best way.
Speaker: Yeah, no, I mean, they're both deeply divergent.
Speaker: They're very, very, yeah.
Speaker: And you see it.
Speaker: I think one of the things that you... I think one of the things that people who are not autistic don't understand is...
Speaker: is that it manifests itself differently in people of different genders.
Speaker: And it manifests itself differently depending on a lot of factors.
Speaker: So just because Bliss might not seem like Zack in some ways doesn't mean that she's not neurodivergent.
Speaker: It's just that she displays it differently.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I wouldn't... We don't have to go into it, but, like, there was...
Speaker: a belief for a while or some people still believe that like autism presents differently in like based off where you're assigned gender at birth and like that's really just not true it's a lot more based off of your how you're socialized yeah and people assigned people at birth are socialized extremely differently um and that and then yeah
Speaker: And then there's also just like a million fucking ways that.
Speaker: So it's not, I mean, what you're saying is it's not biological.
Speaker: As a difference gender wise.
Speaker: No, it's not.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: But another part of it is that like, because we've based our cultural and medical perception of autistic people based off of one small subset of like white people.
Speaker: little boys, people who don't fit that.
Speaker: Like, yeah, sure.
Speaker: Zach is a white adult man, but he's like easier to see in that sort of stereotypical thing because he used to be a white little boy.
Speaker: And so a lot of times, like people just don't even really think about people who don't fit that stereotype or that
Speaker: narrow demographic group as being autistic.
Speaker: Cause like, I don't present, uh, in a very flick quote unquote female way.
Speaker: I tend to like have a lot of the exact same like traits and interests and behaviors as honestly that fairly like stereotypical, uh, little boy, but like that people didn't see it in me because they didn't see me that way.
Speaker: So, um, yeah, I think that,
Speaker: I mean, Bliss is just a good example of just like a high masking neurodivergent person.
Speaker: And also she's just, she's somebody who has a lot of emotional intelligence and social skills.
Speaker: And those are things people don't associate with autistic people because they don't realize that those are things autistic people can be interested in and
Speaker: get fucking great at if that if that's what they're interested in and I think bliss is interested in people.
Speaker: Yeah, I mean honestly, she's she shows a lot of maturity She seems like somebody who would be great to have in your life.
Speaker: So are you saying that Zack is lucky?
Speaker: Yeah, but I mean I think they're both lucky and
Speaker: No, I mean, it's sort of a joke, but yeah, I mean, I feel like it was meant to be in a way.
Speaker: For sure.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I mean, I met Frida on Tinder while she was here in America studying abroad as a student from Sweden.
Speaker: She'd been here for a month.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And it's like, how could it be that the person who has changed my life and shaped the trajectory of the rest of my life is somebody that I met, you know, in this wild off chance thing?
Speaker: Or is it just that I was always meant to meet her.
Speaker: And so it was always, we were going to find each other in some way, but because I,
Speaker: of the distance that we started out at, like, it was always going to have to be something that seemed really improbable.
Speaker: So, in some other alternate universe, yeah, Zack and Bliss don't go on Love is Blind, but they mate in a fucking aquarium, you know, something else fucking weird.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: To me, the trajectory of their relationship was really lovely.
Speaker: It's nice to see people really finding the person that they want to be with.
Speaker: And really go for it.
Speaker: They both took chances.
Speaker: Zach could have been super embarrassed if Bliss was like, nah, I don't want you.
Speaker: Bye.
Speaker: Which is also why the whole thing of
Speaker: Micah being like, here, I need Paul to say yes first, is bullshit.
Speaker: Because, like, that's not how it works.
Speaker: Zach didn't, like, find out if Bliss would say yes before he asked her.
Speaker: You know, like, he didn't find out if...
Speaker: you know, I need somebody else to tell me if she, how she feels before I'm willing to put my heart on the line to see if she'll meet up.
Speaker: No, she's like, he just fucking asked her to coffee.
Speaker: He asked her on another date.
Speaker: Like he put himself out there and that's what you do when you actually are interested.
Speaker: You're more interested in, um, connecting with somebody else, showing them love and appreciation than you are in protecting your own ego.
Speaker: But,
Speaker: Micah doesn't understand that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So, do we move on to Micah or do we move on to Marshall?
Speaker: So, um, well, this is, there's a whole bunch of, like, Irina stuff at this point.
Speaker: Oh my god.
Speaker: So, I'm gonna let you take point on that one.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Well, it's very, like, it's interesting and fucking aggravating to see.
Speaker: But, um, Micah and Irina...
Speaker: were both cruel to other people, openly cruel many times to other people on the show.
Speaker: They frequently do this together.
Speaker: They show a clip of them laughing while other people are crying.
Speaker: They, it's absolutely not like one of them doing it more than the other one.
Speaker: Like when Jackie's crying, Mike is going, this is crazy.
Speaker: Like they're both,
Speaker: equally being fucking assholes.
Speaker: And now, they're doing the same kind of damage control, where they're both playing the victim.
Speaker: But it's only working for one of them.
Speaker: Because, um, Eryna gets...
Speaker: roasted and the audience is clearly not sympathetic to her.
Speaker: When she does a little like, ooh, I'm for Clint, I might be about to cry, like the audience, like part of the audience fucking laughs.
Speaker: But when Micah does it, like completely different response.
Speaker: So basically only Arena is called upon to answer for
Speaker: all the mean shit that she did.
Speaker: And I think that it's good that Zach and Bliss got to talk about it openly.
Speaker: And I think that they were pretty diplomatic.
Speaker: Bliss said that it did make her really sad to see somebody so wonderful be treated so horribly.
Speaker: I think it's also just important because when it was happening, the audience was like largely kind of on Irina's side and against Zach.
Speaker: And I think it's, it's good for anyone who felt that way to like have a reminder that like, that wasn't the truth.
Speaker: That wasn't the only truth.
Speaker: Like, um, there was, now you're hearing from bliss who's somebody that
Speaker: you a lot of you like and respect and she found that situation horrifying why didn't you find it horrifying you know like um i think that that could provide some good opportunities for reflection if people are open to that um and arena she definitely like i think she comes in with a lot of and i don't think that she is
Speaker: trustworthy, so it's like you don't really know what you can believe of what she says or not.
Speaker: But I do think, so Zach says some, when he says, you know, he forgives Irina, he says, I forgive you 100%.
Speaker: And then he also, he just asks sort of the audience at large to stop trying to punish people for the bad things they did on the show.
Speaker: And he says, like, they've already,
Speaker: been punished more than enough by having the whole world see these things.
Speaker: And I think that's very true because, um, people like, we can't imagine what it's like to have that many people that mad at you.
Speaker: Like I've experienced it to a level.
Speaker: Most people, millions of people, millions of people, I've had thousands of people mad at me all at once.
Speaker: And it's unbelievably overwhelming.
Speaker: I can't imagine what it's like to have fucking millions of people all over the world, all mad at you all at once.
Speaker: Um, so like, yeah, Irina is, um, she's straight up not having a good time right now.
Speaker: Um, and, um,
Speaker: that also means that, like, she might not be able to learn that much right now.
Speaker: A lot of the time, like, right when this shit happens, people are just mostly focused on, like, kind of getting through it.
Speaker: Um, and they're a little too defensive of themselves to really do that work.
Speaker: And so, like, maybe she will do that work.
Speaker: Maybe she won't.
Speaker: Like, I don't know.
Speaker: But, um...
Speaker: At least I think it was good that like some of those things were able to be said, but what's really fucking frustrating is that all of these questions are directed at arena.
Speaker: And the first question that's directed at Micah is Micah, how did it feel when you were the victim of arena?
Speaker: Like she has no questions asked about like, why were you doing these things with her?
Speaker: Like, um,
Speaker: she just gets skipped straight to her victim story and i think that sucks and i do i do wonder i just wonder also and i know it's like i have ideas i have some thoughts like but what's causing this difference in reaction because these girls did the same thing they are um now doing damage troll in the same way
Speaker: And they're literally both on the stage in front of you right now at the same time.
Speaker: And yet one of them is receiving a lot of empathy and the other one is receiving very little.
Speaker: Probably almost none from the audience, I would say.
Speaker: Probably the most empathy they're getting is from flying these
Speaker: arena was getting it was from zach and bliss honestly because yeah i think nobody was giving i think i felt slightly sympathetic towards irena because she started crying but then i was like come on i mean i hope what bliss hoped for her you know that she and and and zach hoped for her
Speaker: that this is going to be something that she's going to grow from and just do better.
Speaker: But at the same time, I am... At the same time, I don't know.
Speaker: I felt like Irina, we were waiting after Irina for Micah to feel the same thing and face the same thing.
Speaker: And that kind of just made it asymmetrical because you're like, well, you did the exact same things that she did.
Speaker: Maybe you were the one going over there and laughing, but then Micah also tried to, I mean, not try, but she kind of was in there between Chelsea and Kwame.
Speaker: So she had many strikes against her.
Speaker: So the first thing you start, you should not be talking about her becoming a victim of Irina because then you'll have to ask her about victimizing everyone else.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: you know, which you don't.
Speaker: Um, I almost felt like Vanessa Lachey was just like trying to protect her in some ways, you know?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I, I do definitely think that, um, Vanessa was protecting Micah because Vanessa empathizes with Micah, identifies with her.
Speaker: Um, and so I asked Frida about it.
Speaker: Frida is, she is my like, yeah,
Speaker: interpreter of the neurotypical world.
Speaker: She's not neurotypical, but she's also not autistic.
Speaker: She is an holistic neurodivergent person.
Speaker: And so that means she has a really great amount of insight into both like how autistic brains work and how neurotypical brains work.
Speaker: And so she can actually explain neurotypical shit to me in a way that like neurotypical people can't because they don't reflect that much on why they're feeling the way they do.
Speaker: And so I just like asked her to explain why is, um, Micah getting a pass.
Speaker: And she said, it's because people feel bad for her that she was, um, turned down at the altar by Paul.
Speaker: I'm like, why does that, why does that negate everything before?
Speaker: Turned down on the altar.
Speaker: We're talking about their perspective.
Speaker: Um, and that, but I don't understand why that,
Speaker: negates everything bad that she did before.
Speaker: And she's like, it just does.
Speaker: And like, so I'm sure that she's right.
Speaker: And that is the answer is that, um, people have really, uh, believed this narrative that like,
Speaker: Paul's the bad guy, and he hurt Micah, and now they just feel bad for Micah, and also they think Micah's friends have hurt her, and it's just like, she has successfully played the victim well enough, consistently enough.
Speaker: Irina has hurt her, her friends have hurt her, Paul hurt her.
Speaker: Poor baby.
Speaker: Yeah, and, um, like, it sucks, it sucks, and, like,
Speaker: She wouldn't be getting this same grace if she was anything but a thin, white woman who fits what society has decided are the standards for this is what an attractive person is.
Speaker: Thin, blonde, wearing makeup.
Speaker: You know, it's all that shit.
Speaker: Tanned.
Speaker: Can we talk about how tanned everyone was?
Speaker: Sure.
Speaker: I mean, everyone.
Speaker: If we just... Micah.
Speaker: I'm pretty sure Zach and Paul were the same colors that were before.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah, I felt like Micah... I don't know, I feel like Vanessa Lachey pushed too many buttons.
Speaker: Tried to push too many buttons.
Speaker: And went after Paul.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: So yeah, we can get into that.
Speaker: This is the part where I really was just like, I'm not having any fun.
Speaker: Because I watched her do this last year to Cole.
Speaker: And then we saw Cole later at like another reunion or whatever.
Speaker: And he was like a broken version of himself.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Because that's the thing is neurotypical people, they lob these accusations at each other.
Speaker: Like it's a game.
Speaker: They cry.
Speaker: They tell you that you've ruined their life.
Speaker: And then like they fucking get over it because none of it was ever all that real.
Speaker: But for a neurodivergent person, like they don't know this is a game.
Speaker: This is real.
Speaker: And so the, the guilt of it eats at us and stays with us.
Speaker: And like, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: This is going to affect Paul emotionally for a very long time, maybe forever.
Speaker: And that's not true for Micah.
Speaker: Micah, I think most of her pain, well, I think at the wedding, it came from, if anything, embarrassment.
Speaker: It's also quite possible that, like, that was exactly the kind of scene that she had wanted to perform the entire time.
Speaker: I think the pain that she feels now is because she went on the show to get famous and be beloved.
Speaker: And instead, like she had the world hate her and she doesn't want the world to hate her.
Speaker: That wasn't the point of this.
Speaker: The point of this was to have people like her.
Speaker: So yeah, she's feeling pretty boo hoo, poor me right now.
Speaker: But like, she even like, I'm sorry, but like,
Speaker: Irina looked more upset than Micah did.
Speaker: Yeah, because Irina did at least verbally make some effort to acknowledge her own part in things.
Speaker: Micah, nothing, nothing.
Speaker: Yeah, no, I think Micah just, like, Micah showed up and just acted like a total victim and Vanessa Lachey just, you know, was like, oh yeah, totally.
Speaker: So this whole thing about like Paul saying that he couldn't see Mike as a mother.
Speaker: Um, my gosh.
Speaker: Yeah, that was apparently that's the, this is another thing that I just don't fucking like about Vanessa Lachey.
Speaker: Vanessa Lachey is exactly the kind of quote unquote girl's girl.
Speaker: who made it very clear to me growing up that I was not accepted among girls, that, um, I was never doing girl right.
Speaker: And they had all of these proclamations of like, this is what girls are like.
Speaker: And none of them described me.
Speaker: Um, and so she, it's clear to Vanessa because she believes that, um, her opinions are facts that like the most hurtful thing you could say to a woman is that she wouldn't be a good mother.
Speaker: Um, and,
Speaker: Did we once hear her say a word about baby throughout the season?
Speaker: Micah?
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: No, she never talked about it.
Speaker: Chelsea wanted to be a mom.
Speaker: Yeah, Chelsea wanted to be a mom.
Speaker: She talked about it.
Speaker: I think she wanted to start in two, three years.
Speaker: Three or four.
Speaker: It doesn't mean that Micah doesn't want to be a mom.
Speaker: But certainly, was Paul being unreasonable thinking that Micah...
Speaker: doesn't seem like a very nurturing person.
Speaker: No, that seems pretty reasonable to me.
Speaker: It's like he's being asked to like prove it.
Speaker: Why do you think that?
Speaker: It's like, I don't know.
Speaker: Watch anything Micah did throughout the entire show.
Speaker: Like, would you trust your kid with her?
Speaker: I wouldn't.
Speaker: And then he, Paul is trying to be nice.
Speaker: He's trying to avoid like...
Speaker: avoid being hurtful, but they're asking him things that, uh, can only have like hurtful answers.
Speaker: And this was, so because I was like so much later than a lot of people to be able to watch a live stream, I had heard that basically Paul was just needlessly reiterating all of the mean things that he had said, um, after like their,
Speaker: wedding that didn't, that wasn't to be.
Speaker: Um, and that like, he should have just apologized and so doubling down.
Speaker: And then I actually watch it.
Speaker: And the very first fucking thing he says is like, I never should have, um, phrase it that way.
Speaker: I apologize.
Speaker: Here's what I wish I had said.
Speaker: Like everything that people said they wanted me to do, he does right off the bat.
Speaker: Yeah, no, he totally.
Speaker: Like he, no, I felt like Paul was doing great.
Speaker: And, and the fact that doing great isn't like his, the way that he explained everything.
Speaker: I was like, yeah, you know, you're trying to be fair and,
Speaker: I feel like as worried as I was about Paul, I'm not going to be worried because I think Zack is going to be there for him.
Speaker: I think Zack and Blythe are going to sit him down and be like, no, this is bullshit.
Speaker: Like, do not let that get past you.
Speaker: And the thing is that all of these fuckers are on social media.
Speaker: So I think he's going to see everyone, you know, well, unfortunately, like most people are pretty anti Paul.
Speaker: Like Paul has been vilified and
Speaker: Um, and like they were asking some really like ridiculous and impossible things of him because what Micah pretends to be so like offended by is like, why, if this was such a big issue, why hadn't he brought up with her?
Speaker: But like what, how, what he was supposed to tell her ahead of time, I don't think you would be a good mother.
Speaker: And then
Speaker: give her a chance to what prove that she would be like that is not some that's not a thing that's not like oh wow he really should have given her the chance to have that conversation no that's the kind of thing that you like you don't tell somebody you just don't marry them um
Speaker: And, like, he tries to be as diplomatic as possible of, like, it's quite possible that just, like, I didn't see it.
Speaker: I didn't create the right environment to express that part of herself.
Speaker: Like, she definitely could, like, develop that part.
Speaker: I just didn't see it in the amount of time that we had.
Speaker: He's giving every opportunity he can to, like,
Speaker: For Vanessa and Micah and the audience at large to interpret it like as a less hurtful thing.
Speaker: But they want it to be the most hurtful thing.
Speaker: And I really, because I was like, what the fuck do they want from him?
Speaker: And then ultimately, it suddenly hit me.
Speaker: They want him to take it back and say, Micah, you would be a good mother.
Speaker: But he can't.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, my God.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: That's what they want.
Speaker: Oh my God.
Speaker: That's why they counted her for so long.
Speaker: But she wouldn't be a good mother.
Speaker: And that would be like, and that also, that's,
Speaker: That is just the difference between autistic and neurotypical people as a neurotypical person would say you would be a good mother, even if they didn't believe it, because they would think it is more important to say that than to... That's like, it's so weird.
Speaker: Like they would, they would think it's more important to say that.
Speaker: I was just like, pretend that... But I know why he can't say it.
Speaker: I wouldn't be able to say it either.
Speaker: because it's a lie and it's a lie about something that's important.
Speaker: And like, I would rather wake up with this person than, than tell them that I've done that in the past.
Speaker: And he would rather have everybody like heaping, uh, hate on him than like, then the, yeah, like not to just fucking tell the truth.
Speaker: He just, he's telling the truth and he's telling it the nicest way he can.
Speaker: And I think, I mean, Zach makes a really good point where he's like,
Speaker: Paul has been trying to, like, you know, call a truce with you or whatever.
Speaker: And when he's like, it seems like you're out for blood.
Speaker: And you can tell, like, Zach is trying to think of a better way to phrase that, but like, it's just not coming.
Speaker: So he just has to... Yeah, no, no, no.
Speaker: Micah was definitely trying to like... And I understood he meant many, like, and I think autistic people who...
Speaker: are similar in thinking to us, they got it.
Speaker: But like Vanessa goes, well, I don't think, you know, I think it's pretty obvious to,
Speaker: most people that you're not, you know, she's like, she has the opposite belief that like, clearly Micah is just a sad little victim.
Speaker: How?
Speaker: Yeah, no, I'm sorry.
Speaker: You will never get me to believe that.
Speaker: But like, she's not doing any of the things that everyone else.
Speaker: So every other conflict that has come up in that reunion, both parties have done some effort to like mend that fence.
Speaker: They have given the other person credit deserved or not.
Speaker: Zach forgave Irina.
Speaker: Chelsea forgave Micah.
Speaker: Micah?
Speaker: Nope.
Speaker: She will not give Paul any forgiveness.
Speaker: Even if, like, even if he didn't do anything wrong, she's still, like, she is going to play the victim no matter what that does to him, to people's perception of him.
Speaker: Like,
Speaker: because she never fucking cared about him.
Speaker: She didn't.
Speaker: But what was fascinating for me to find out is as obvious as it was to us that they did not really love each other and we're not going to get married, the neurotypical belief in general was that they were the
Speaker: Of course.
Speaker: They thought, of course, Micah and Paul are going to say yes.
Speaker: And so it was a shocker.
Speaker: And that's why, because we thought, like, sort of, like, why are, like, Kwame and Chelsea getting the will they won't they edit when they also have a will they won't they with Micah and Paul?
Speaker: But it's like, oh, because that was actually a this is for sure happening thing.
Speaker: you know, storyline for most people.
Speaker: It just, that didn't work on us because it was like, where's, we didn't see any fucking connection between them.
Speaker: But also because we know that Paul is saying his thoughts and feelings.
Speaker: And so we were just listening to his words and taking them literally.
Speaker: And our typical people weren't because they were assuming he communicates like them, which he doesn't.
Speaker: I feel like there might be here, like, there's something here that I'm going to have to say, which is that out of all the couples, this was the one that was very pro- this was the whitest, okay?
Speaker: This was the whitest couple.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Everyone else.
Speaker: Every other relationship.
Speaker: Well, Brett and Tiffany were both, you know, people of color.
Speaker: Kwame's a person of color.
Speaker: Bliss.
Speaker: What's her face?
Speaker: Bliss is a person of color.
Speaker: Micah and Paul were the whitest couple.
Speaker: She was a blonde.
Speaker: And it was like, it's almost like, you know, I feel like a lot of the white people identified with her.
Speaker: You know?
Speaker: Absolutely.
Speaker: Chelsea was there too.
Speaker: Also, all the like just really neurotypical girls.
Speaker: That's who they can put their...
Speaker: Because it's true, they are going to relate more to Micah than to Bliss, because Bliss is not an article.
Speaker: And... Yeah, she's the most, like... She also has the least of a personality.
Speaker: She changes who she is around everyone, and so she has a tabula rasa that you can put... Yeah....project your own self onto, and that's what people are doing.
Speaker: But Micah ain't you, okay?
Speaker: Oh my gosh.
Speaker: And Paul is not... That's the problem too.
Speaker: People project their ex-boyfriend or whatever onto Paul, and he's not.
Speaker: Paul is... He is a specific kind of person that neurotypical people can't see and don't understand.
Speaker: And like... I did not like Paul at the beginning of the season.
Speaker: Because...
Speaker: he just said horny stuff.
Speaker: And I don't, I don't like people who say horny stuff, like, kind of out of nowhere.
Speaker: But then, what's unfortunate is that, like, um, he doesn't appear to actually be that kind of a person, because I don't know that he ever, like, he doesn't make any, like, random, inappropriate, horny comments, like, ever again through the rest of the season.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Um... I mean, we were, we were critical of what is his face as well.
Speaker: Like, we were critical of Zach.
Speaker: Zach.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Which, also, side note, because I re-watched episode one, um,
Speaker: just like to see what, how did it come off now that I know who these people are?
Speaker: And it was interesting, cause yeah, I did not like Zach right off the bat because I don't like a stripper joke.
Speaker: But I could see now it wasn't really a joke.
Speaker: He was actually testing people just to see how they would react.
Speaker: And some of them, I, one girl reacted like, ew.
Speaker: Like, so I guess like, it makes sense that he had to do that.
Speaker: right off the bat because like he was weeding people out as quickly as possible.
Speaker: Is that how I would have handled it?
Speaker: No.
Speaker: But I could see now like it's not that he thought being a stripper is inherently a joke.
Speaker: And you know a lot of people think oh you should be testing people that's a red flag in itself.
Speaker: Nah he's on a TV show where he's meeting 50 people and yeah he's got to figure out really quickly
Speaker: who is going to have a bias against him and his family and cut them out.
Speaker: So I get it now.
Speaker: And that does change how I see him.
Speaker: And like still, Zach said some stuff, especially in the first couple of episodes, I don't like, I still don't like.
Speaker: He says, I've got nine days to pick a wife.
Speaker: I was like, bro, what?
Speaker: You pick each other.
Speaker: Sure, there's still things that he said that I don't love.
Speaker: I think he
Speaker: I don't need to hear him saying personally.
Speaker: I like, um, so that's another personal gripe, but that's a gripe with like a third of the cast this year.
Speaker: Um, and so like, yeah, it's not like, well, I don't have to like everything about all of these people in order to, uh, defend them when they're deserving, but also for sure, like,
Speaker: I think I also, I mostly didn't like Zach and Paul when they were just presenting their masks because I don't like their masks.
Speaker: I don't like the fake person that they invented.
Speaker: But the more I got to know the real person that they are, I like that person.
Speaker: That person is relatable for me, easy for me to understand.
Speaker: And like now by the end of the season, Paul is so easy for me to understand.
Speaker: There's nothing he says that is confusing to me when people are like, Oh, he's just talking around in circles.
Speaker: saying nothing.
Speaker: No, he's trying to be very... It makes perfect fucking sense to me.
Speaker: But the more people have gotten to know Paul over the course of the season, he started out as somebody that most people liked and he has turned into a villain because neurotypical people don't like autistic people.
Speaker: Yeah, you know, I think people who dislike Paul are Micah-like, you know?
Speaker: You can expect them to act like Micah when it's crunch time.
Speaker: Yeah, I want to inequivocally support the vilification of Micah here.
Speaker: Like, no, you don't get to play a victim here.
Speaker: Sorry.
Speaker: No, I'm honestly mad about it.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I hate it.
Speaker: I will, I never want to see another show, like, on it.
Speaker: If she's on a show, I won't fucking watch it.
Speaker: Like, because it's one thing to be a villain, where, like, like, Shelby, I watched Shelby on another fucking show, because, like, she was entertaining.
Speaker: Um, I might watch Arena on another show.
Speaker: Like, maybe.
Speaker: But, like, villains can be fun, and, like, they add things, like,
Speaker: Francesca from Perfect Match, I would watch shit with Francesca again, for sure.
Speaker: But, like, Micah is someone who just, like, causes actual real harm and pretends that she isn't a villain, which makes you the worst kind.
Speaker: And I, uh... It also, it just, um... It drives me fucking crazy to, like, watch her be...
Speaker: so openly manipulative and people still fall for it.
Speaker: And I understand that it's not, it's not your fault.
Speaker: If you fall for manipulation, it's the manipulator's fault.
Speaker: It's just very hard for me to like watch it happen.
Speaker: And people like, don't believe me.
Speaker: Um, when I'm like,
Speaker: So, so neurodivergent people, we tend to give people the benefit of the doubt and project our good intentions onto others.
Speaker: And so people are doing that with Micah, but I would just urge them to go back and look at specific things that Micah has said and done and ask yourself, okay, would you ever in any, like any instance, would you have said that?
Speaker: Would you do that?
Speaker: I don't think so.
Speaker: Like,
Speaker: she has done too many explicitly manipulative and cruel things that really don't have other explanations.
Speaker: Yeah, no, I'm just, I'm sorry.
Speaker: I just, you were not, you're, you're, you won't even find sympathy for her when I'm dead.
Speaker: Like, you can have my dead body and still be.
Speaker: You know that, like, tweet format that's like, if Micah has a thousand haters, I am one.
Speaker: If she has 100 haters, I'm one.
Speaker: If she has one hater, I'm one.
Speaker: If she has zero haters, I am dead.
Speaker: Like, I don't like Micah and I'm absolutely not budging on it.
Speaker: If someday you find out that not a single hater of Micah exists on the planet, then you should know that I have died.
Speaker: Yeah, both of us are dead.
Speaker: And get a Ouija board out and ask us if we still hate Micah and we'll always write yes.
Speaker: Yeah, no, I'm... We're pretty clear about that.
Speaker: Alright, so, question.
Speaker: We have one couple left.
Speaker: I can't believe we haven't even gotten into Jackie yet.
Speaker: It's ridiculous, but... We gotta do it.
Speaker: So, Zach ends up piping up and speaking up for his friend, Paul, which I like that because that's what real friends do.
Speaker: Um...
Speaker: And that's what I would do for my friend too.
Speaker: Uh, and he says that, um, what he heard from women, uh, involved with the show is that Micah never even intended to marry Paul.
Speaker: And so it's like really unfair to now, like put all this blame on him for like breaking her heart at the altar when like, uh, she was never serious about him and he,
Speaker: he was taking all of this extremely seriously.
Speaker: Um, and I, so I had heard the same kind of thing, um, from, from multiple different sources.
Speaker: Not only did it just seem sort of apparent, I know that like we both felt that way throughout the season.
Speaker: I was like, she's not actually interested in this guy really.
Speaker: Um, but like, uh,
Speaker: So the podcast Out of the Pods with Deepti and Natalie, they mentioned that they heard from like sources that work in production on the show that Micah was not actually serious about Paul, was not intending to actually marry him.
Speaker: So there's this TikTok that went viral at the beginning of the season of this girl.
Speaker: She was just telling a random story just intended for her followers.
Speaker: She didn't think it was going to blow up, but she's just saying like, oh, I watched the first episode of Love is Blind.
Speaker: I actually met this girl last summer.
Speaker: She was at her apartment complex in Arizona and...
Speaker: This is before we knew that Micah had any connection to Arizona.
Speaker: So this part of the story made no sense at the time.
Speaker: Like, well, Love is Blind is taking place in Seattle, so maybe you didn't meet the right person.
Speaker: She's like, yeah, this girl was like...
Speaker: making out in the pool with this guy.
Speaker: They're all over each other.
Speaker: Um, and then later she came up to me, introduced herself.
Speaker: She said she didn't really have any friends there.
Speaker: Didn't know anybody.
Speaker: Um, but because she was with a guy, she didn't really know.
Speaker: Uh, they were, they had to like sort of pretend to be dating for this Netflix show that they were filming.
Speaker: And she didn't tell her which show, but like, there's not too many Netflix dating shows.
Speaker: It wasn't too hard to guess.
Speaker: Um,
Speaker: And the girl was like, yeah, that's it.
Speaker: Like, no real point.
Speaker: Just, you know, sort of fun anecdote.
Speaker: But over time, especially after we found out that Micah does live in Arizona, I was like, OK, so this story seems to check out.
Speaker: And the fact that Micah told this random girl, yeah, I don't really know this guy and I'm pretending to date him.
Speaker: That becomes really relevant when Micah is pretending I was all in.
Speaker: I love you.
Speaker: I was going to marry you.
Speaker: And Paul is being vilified for breaking her heart.
Speaker: And I've heard also there are other at least one more TikTok that is like a similar thing.
Speaker: Somebody else who met Micah.
Speaker: And they mention also that like Paul and Micah tried dating briefly after their wedding and he went to visit her in Arizona for a weekend and they broke up shortly after.
Speaker: And the way he says it, it sort of seems like, yeah, they broke up shortly after for a reason, like something that did not go well.
Speaker: And to me, I was like, I remembered that TikTok.
Speaker: I was like, well, that kind of makes sense timing-wise.
Speaker: And if he went to visit her, then he finds out that she's really just pretending to keep dating him for show reasons.
Speaker: Then that would explain why they broke up then for real and why he seems pretty hurt and horrified by all of this.
Speaker: So it's just like there's been a lot of...
Speaker: Because I don't I don't believe like one rumor.
Speaker: I'm not that kind of a person.
Speaker: I just like I don't care about random rumors, really.
Speaker: But when there's like a bunch of things that create a picture that like Micah is not really interested, because also think about her friends.
Speaker: So everyone is hung up on, wow, she's got the meanest friends in the world.
Speaker: Shelby's her best friend, right?
Speaker: Been her best friend for a really long time.
Speaker: Laughing at her as she's crying running down the aisle.
Speaker: What seems more likely that Micah has the most comically, outrageously mean and bad best friend in the world who laughed at her as she was turned down by the love of her life at the altar?
Speaker: Or Micah didn't really want to be married to Paul.
Speaker: She wanted to be on a reality show.
Speaker: Shelby knew this.
Speaker: So the reason that she took it lightly is because she knew that Micah wasn't actually having her heart broken, that this was a performance.
Speaker: Like, which of these seems more likely?
Speaker: Especially when you combine all of the other evidence.
Speaker: This is conspiracy theory territory.
Speaker: Like, I'm not saying, oh, I know this for sure.
Speaker: No, I don't.
Speaker: But...
Speaker: It seems more likely to me that the reason all of these strange things are happening is because there's one really simple explanation.
Speaker: Like, Micah wanted to go on a reality show.
Speaker: She's 27 years old.
Speaker: The reason that there never seemed to be much of a connection between her and Paul is because there's not...
Speaker: And the reason that she wanted him to go first is so that she would be able to create this victim narrative that she's creating right now that's working out really well for her.
Speaker: And then she can spin it into a career on TV.
Speaker: She got her, like, great running down the aisle crying moment.
Speaker: And, like, she might just be good at fake crying.
Speaker: And, like, I don't know.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: Or she was hurt by just being rejected.
Speaker: Even if, you know, a lot of people really hate rejection, even if it's by somebody they don't actually want.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: But especially the fact, like, she still defended Shelby.
Speaker: She's still friends with Shelby.
Speaker: It seems unlikely to me that she actually has the worst best friend in the world and all of these people and all these different sources are saying that Micah didn't really care about Paul just by happenstance?
Speaker: Or because there's some conspiracy to hurt Micah's feelings?
Speaker: That doesn't make sense.
Speaker: No, I think the question was answered the second she was like, I'm going to let you answer this question first of all.
Speaker: That was over for me.
Speaker: No, I'm sorry.
Speaker: You are not going to be fooling me twice.
Speaker: Yeah, but she is...
Speaker: One thing I think is important to remember is that if we are accepting as true, even if you just want to do this hypothetically, temporarily, consider the idea that Micah is an excellent manipulator and she's not a victim in these situations.
Speaker: A manipulator is never, ever going to come out and tell you, yeah, I'm a manipulator.
Speaker: They don't even see it that way.
Speaker: They don't see themselves as being manipulative.
Speaker: Yeah, no.
Speaker: I know because I have talked to extremely manipulative people about them being manipulative and they still didn't see it that way.
Speaker: It was fascinating.
Speaker: They're going to give you a really good reason that will manipulate you into believing them in that moment.
Speaker: So she does have a good story to explain it.
Speaker: That...
Speaker: she wanted paul to like be sure that you know it was his choice she didn't want to be wondering the rest of their lives had he just said yes because she did yeah no no i'm sorry no just no people got it i don't understand how anyone's lying does like just i don't understand how anyone could have watched that and said she makes sense to neurotypicals and paul does not
Speaker: Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker: I'm sorry that your pretty blonde person didn't make out and turned out to be like a villain.
Speaker: It's just like there's a... You can buy your own bullshit, you know, get high on your own supply and just listen to all the people that are saying Micah is a nice person and deserves sympathy.
Speaker: Or you can be in the real world in which she is not a nice... Well, she wasn't a nice person.
Speaker: And no, she does not deserve sympathy.
Speaker: She certainly doesn't deserve the backing of some kind of attack mob against Paul for having the audacity to acknowledge the fact that they weren't really in love with each other and she didn't seem to really fucking care about him.
Speaker: He tried to express it the nicest way possible, but...
Speaker: She also... She was pretending to be the kind of girl that he would like.
Speaker: If you look at her... I think this is also part of why people empathize with her.
Speaker: Because she changes so much in different situations.
Speaker: It's easy for people to say... Well, she's being influenced by these bad friends.
Speaker: She's got bad people around her.
Speaker: She needs good people around her.
Speaker: But like, well... She chose her friends.
Speaker: She chose Shelby and all those same people.
Speaker: And then...
Speaker: She went into a brand new environment and she chose somebody just like Shelby to be friends with, Irina.
Speaker: Like, these are the people she likes.
Speaker: She is like them.
Speaker: Shelby is just a mask-off version of Micah.
Speaker: I prefer Shelby because you can see what she's doing.
Speaker: It's like one is an opaque box and one is a clear box.
Speaker: I would rather see the inner workings so I know what's going on.
Speaker: Yeah, no, for me, that was like... You're far away from the mic for some reason.
Speaker: Oh, I'm closer now.
Speaker: Hello.
Speaker: Oh, there we go.
Speaker: No, the... Yeah, I'm with you on this.
Speaker: I'm entirely with you on this.
Speaker: I feel like... Yeah, I feel like this was... There was a lot of manipulation going, but I felt like at the end, Vanessa Lachey just going after Paul.
Speaker: I was like, come on.
Speaker: You should be doing this to the person over here on your left.
Speaker: I do think...
Speaker: Partly it's because she can only interpret neurodivergent people in malicious ways because we don't make sense to her.
Speaker: And that's what her brain does.
Speaker: She always goes after the neurodivergent people and leaves the most obvious neurotypical villains alone.
Speaker: But I think also because it just so happened that he clearly hit on the thing that is more important to Vanessa than anything in the world, having a baby.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Oh, my God.
Speaker: And oh, my God.
Speaker: Yeah, I want to repeat this.
Speaker: That was incredibly cringy and no one should be doing that.
Speaker: Don't ever ask people, especially on live TV, when they're going to have babies.
Speaker: That's none of your fucking business, especially when you're saying, oh, they're going to be love is blind babies.
Speaker: Like, fuck you.
Speaker: No, they're going to be their own babies and they don't need to share.
Speaker: Clearly has many regressive beliefs and she does believe that like
Speaker: Having a baby is like the most sacred part of womanhood or some shit.
Speaker: And so like because Paul insulted Micah's fitness as a mother and because neurotypicals see everything in relation to themselves, like everything personally, Vanessa saw this as like or felt it anyways.
Speaker: As like an attack on her as a mother.
Speaker: What if somebody said she wouldn't be a good mother.
Speaker: That's why she can't let it go.
Speaker: And that's why it's like half an hour.
Speaker: Of this freaking live stream.
Speaker: It's just like Paul how could you say this.
Speaker: Well.
Speaker: I probably was.
Speaker: just not seeing the whole picture you know like and then they're like oh you're just backpedaling you're like no no he's trying to be nice to you what do you want him to say you um don't seem to care about anyone you surround yourself with cruel people you let your best friends like shit on me you were embarrassed of me and look i can dress myself without you look at my cool shirt like
Speaker: Yeah, no, I feel like it's just the point where I was like,
Speaker: you deserve zero sympathy is when they brought up Shelby and she was like, yeah, I know she's my friend.
Speaker: You know, like that was completely not surprising to her.
Speaker: And at that point I was like, all right, sympathy.
Speaker: Like I don't even give you any sympathy, even if you cry, because if your friends are that horrible and you know that they're horrible and you still want to be friends with them, then it just means that you are like them.
Speaker: Like you don't see anything bad about what Shelby said or did because that's exactly how you're going to be acting.
Speaker: So yeah, she wasn't hurt.
Speaker: By what Shelby did.
Speaker: Because also she knows that she didn't actually want to fucking marry Paul.
Speaker: Like there are obvious answers here.
Speaker: And to avoid them is like they have to dance around and create like try and create a narrative.
Speaker: It doesn't make sense.
Speaker: So shall we move on to the.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: Prime time.
Speaker: Jackie and Josh and Marshall.
Speaker: I'm going to keep it short.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: That sounds good.
Speaker: Cause yeah, we have talked about this for a long time.
Speaker: I am going to say this.
Speaker: Josh is a jackass.
Speaker: Josh is a jackass over here.
Speaker: What's her face.
Speaker: Jackie is homophobic and kind of a douchebag.
Speaker: Marshall's transphobic comment doesn't win him any favors, but.
Speaker: Overall, I don't feel like he was the villain in that story.
Speaker: I also don't really believe that Jackie and Josh are still together.
Speaker: I feel like they just did that.
Speaker: I mean, I feel like maybe they are, but I feel like they're together just to antagonize, like, the people from Love is Blind.
Speaker: Yeah, I feel like they're – yeah, sorry.
Speaker: I just really do not buy that whole thing.
Speaker: Unless you're both just mean people and mean attracts mean, so.
Speaker: Yeah, sometimes, like, especially I feel like she –
Speaker: Jackie got sick of feeling like a bad person around Marshall, who was always trying to hold himself to a very high standard of being a good person.
Speaker: And so it probably feels better to be able to be a bad person around somebody who is also happy to be a bad person, which like they sort of, they didn't use quite those words, but they sort of acknowledge out loud.
Speaker: Like, um, you are kind of an asshole.
Speaker: So am I, I liked it about you.
Speaker: Like, um, um,
Speaker: There has been... A lot of people think that Jackie was too scared to come face Marshall in person or something.
Speaker: I have no idea.
Speaker: Why wasn't she there?
Speaker: I don't know if it was their choice or if it was production's choice.
Speaker: I don't really care.
Speaker: I'm just happy that... A lot of people care.
Speaker: I mean, I don't care.
Speaker: I don't really want her there because I don't think she should be fired from everything that involves me having to see her.
Speaker: But...
Speaker: it's quite possible that production was just like she is too big of a liability to have on a live performance especially because she's made a habit of violating ndas so like who knows what she would reveal that they don't want her to reveal she's loose cannon so that makes sense to me that they wouldn't even want her to come um also i guess she spent a lot of time being like i have all these receipts i'm gonna
Speaker: like, prove everybody wrong and expose Marshall.
Speaker: And people are like, how would you, like, talk that big game and then just not have anything?
Speaker: Well, you know what?
Speaker: QAnon has been saying that, like, Hillary Clinton is about to get arrested for, like, six years.
Speaker: And it has never happened.
Speaker: None of the things they've ever predicted have ever happened.
Speaker: And still, they just go, oh, well, it's actually, it's going to be next week.
Speaker: Like,
Speaker: that you don't just because you have promised to make something happen doesn't mean that you like have anything to back it up or were ever intending to do it so it's also quite possible that she just talks a big game and
Speaker: then was never intending to come and was always going to do something like this.
Speaker: So I've like, I guess, uh, what I have heard is that she said she got death threats and so it wasn't safe for her to come.
Speaker: And then somebody else said that basically she got a friend to send her that death threat.
Speaker: All of these things are possible.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I don't.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I'd rather like not have to deal with all of this.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I just, I do not want to deal with that.
Speaker: Like I, sorry, that, that whole shit.
Speaker: just too messy in in in like the worst way possible yeah like i i i opened up i wanted to watch like a a fun dating show and it turned into you know people accusing people of not accusing but like basically belittling people for not being heteronormative enough and then you know transphobia gets involved in all this and uh the whole
Speaker: The ring thing just, man, go away.
Speaker: Just leave me alone.
Speaker: I wish the best for Marshall.
Speaker: But I also feel like Marshall needs to take some time.
Speaker: And I think he is.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: This was very.
Speaker: I think Marshall is quite emotionally mature.
Speaker: And I think he had.
Speaker: It would be hard to like hold yourself back.
Speaker: to that level of self-control and just being that diplomatic as he was.
Speaker: There were a couple of moments where he said anything less than kind and diplomatic.
Speaker: And that would be hard.
Speaker: It would be hard to make yourself do that.
Speaker: It also...
Speaker: I felt sad about how this went down and, and it really fucking pissed me off to see Vanessa attacking him because the first thing that Marshall said in the show that really like stuck out to me and made me be like, Oh, I like this guy.
Speaker: As he said, I have been bullied by my feelings and for my feelings my entire life.
Speaker: But being here, I can just start sharing my feelings and it's like welcomed and appreciated.
Speaker: And it's the first time that he had felt like that.
Speaker: And I loved that he had gotten an opportunity to experience that.
Speaker: And then this was basically a...
Speaker: Just a slap in the face and like taking it back from him.
Speaker: And no, once again, now you're bullied for your feelings again.
Speaker: You're too soft, too sensitive.
Speaker: And it's just cruel.
Speaker: It's fucked up to do that.
Speaker: And I mean, luckily he has established this friendship with Brett, which is very like feelings positive.
Speaker: And so I hope like ultimately he has learned that like there are still things.
Speaker: people and places where it is safe to share yourself and be yourself.
Speaker: But like, I hate that he finally felt like free and safe to express himself openly and then was punished for it so hard.
Speaker: I do want to talk about the transphobia and I want to kind of like explain it for anybody who might not have understood why it was transphobic.
Speaker: So basically, as we know, Jackie said a bunch of like homophobic stuff about Marshall that he seems gay.
Speaker: And apparently this had been something that she had been, quote unquote, joking around with him in person.
Speaker: And he had taken it as joking.
Speaker: And so he joked back and he didn't.
Speaker: He made a transphobic joke.
Speaker: She kept making homophobic jokes and he made a transphobic joke.
Speaker: Yes.
Speaker: But like it's not just because somebody has done something to you that harms a different group of people.
Speaker: You don't get to harm a whole new group of people because you want to harm this person.
Speaker: Like that's not acceptable.
Speaker: But he knows that.
Speaker: I think he knows that.
Speaker: I think he knows that.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: He definitely like acknowledged right off the bat.
Speaker: This is wrong.
Speaker: It's not what I believe in.
Speaker: And he was asked, like, did you use a transphobic slur?
Speaker: And he said, absolutely not.
Speaker: That word is not in my vocabulary.
Speaker: And I believe him.
Speaker: I don't see any reason to, like, believe that he uses slurs.
Speaker: He's never talked like that.
Speaker: And Jackie had just misused the word PTSD like two minutes earlier.
Speaker: So like it's not a stretch to think that she also misused the word slur.
Speaker: I don't know that she's like using really narrow definitions here.
Speaker: But the joke is, well, you have a really strong jawline.
Speaker: You could be a man for all I know.
Speaker: yeah yeah yeah that was the it was just so here's the freaking problem and this is what pissed me off and nobody acknowledged it they acted like this is offensive because it's offensive to say that a woman looks like a man no yeah it's not that's not why it's offensive it is offensive to say that a woman looking like a man is a bad thing it is offensive to say that
Speaker: traits, physical attributes, more associated with masculinity, make somebody ugly and less desirable.
Speaker: That's what makes it transphobic.
Speaker: And so they're using the word transphobic, but not understanding why it's transphobic because then fucking Vanessa goes like, yeah, I don't know how I would feel if somebody talked like that to me.
Speaker: So you're saying, I don't know just how pissed I would be if somebody said, I look like a man because I am pretty transphobic and that might really bother me.
Speaker: Here's the thing.
Speaker: And okay, cis women, anybody listening, if anybody ever says a comment like, you have a strong jawline or are you trans or anything, I'm
Speaker: Don't you dare react horrified that somebody might think you're trans.
Speaker: That is what is trans.
Speaker: Like, that's fucking offensive.
Speaker: You're saying, how dare you think I look like a trans person?
Speaker: That's yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: That's what's offensive.
Speaker: I'm not trans.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I could never look like my femininity is too like, you know.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Like, oh my God, that's an insult to my beauty and my feminine beauty.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: You're insulting all trans people because there is nothing wrong.
Speaker: First of all, there's nothing wrong with being trans and there's nothing wrong with looking quote unquote trans.
Speaker: There's nothing wrong with not passing.
Speaker: Like, you don't...
Speaker: Your ego is not more important than like an entire fucking demographic group of people, especially who are like really.
Speaker: Horribly oppressed right now.
Speaker: Demonized.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Like right now there are laws being passed.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: to remove trans people from society as much as possible.
Speaker: So like, your ego matters so fucking little in comparison to that.
Speaker: It matters not at all.
Speaker: So like, Jackie's offended by him saying that she has a strong jawline.
Speaker: Fuck you, Jackie.
Speaker: Fuck you straight to fucking hell.
Speaker: Like, why you should have been offended is because Marshall, who seems like a good person, was willing to engage in transphobia to make a jab.
Speaker: And that's the problem.
Speaker: And I...
Speaker: We didn't get to like really hear enough about whether or not he understood that that was the problem because Vanessa didn't understand that that was the problem.
Speaker: No.
Speaker: And nobody did.
Speaker: So like transphobia just got to them.
Speaker: Vanessa was much more interested in the babies.
Speaker: I'm like, Netflix should absolutely not ever allow Vanessa or anybody else to go talk about transphobia without having a fucking trans person talk to her first so that she understands what the fuck she's even talking about because she clearly doesn't.
Speaker: Like it is not offensive to be said to be compared to a trans woman, to a trans man, like to be told that you have features that might look like they're from another gender.
Speaker: It's also like people are going to.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: Okay.
Speaker: People have said this to me online a whole bunch of times.
Speaker: Like, I mean, now I identify openly as trans non-binary.
Speaker: So it's like, it makes more sense that people like this, but like, I remember, you know, just like five years ago or whatever, every now and then I get a comment and I could just tell it's somebody who's trying to push my buttons and they would be like, Oh, are you really a man?
Speaker: Did you used to be a man or whatever?
Speaker: And I would never, ever respond offended.
Speaker: And I would never, ever correct them because I am not offended if somebody thinks that I was a male at birth.
Speaker: I'm not offended if somebody thinks I'm a trans woman.
Speaker: You shouldn't be either.
Speaker: And if you are, then like you need to deal with your transphobia.
Speaker: That's what you need to work on.
Speaker: And I hope that Marshall understands all of this.
Speaker: I feel like if anybody in that group would, it would be him.
Speaker: And so, like, funny enough, even though he's like the one who was under fire for making a transphobic comment, he's like the one I'm probably the least mad at.
Speaker: But yeah, that I like I can't believe Netflix is like fucking allowed that's happened and just it hasn't been called out and still people just don't even see a problem with it.
Speaker: They don't see a problem with it.
Speaker: But like, I'm sorry, neurotypical people care way too much about their own fucking feelings.
Speaker: I don't care about your feelings.
Speaker: I care about trans people's lives way more than your feelings or my feelings.
Speaker: Yeah, no, no, I'm just, I'm a little flabbergasted by the fact that this is not, I did not want Jackie to show up because of the homophobia.
Speaker: And then she shows up and Marsha shows up and then there's transphobia.
Speaker: And there's really nobody calls out.
Speaker: Yeah, they didn't even need her there.
Speaker: Yeah, so I... This is our longest episode, by the way, so far.
Speaker: Hey, we have one reviewer who said they're okay with long episodes, so I hope they're listening.
Speaker: If you're listening, the wrap is coming.
Speaker: The wrap is coming.
Speaker: You already did it.
Speaker: No, I'm doing it again.
Speaker: I have to do it.
Speaker: I promise.
Speaker: You're doing it at the very end, okay?
Speaker: Not now.
Speaker: But anyways, th is is what I was talking about at the beginning of the episode when I said, like, by the end of the reunion, I was...
Speaker: just mad and like stressed and like not having any semblance of a good time.
Speaker: Like I probably sound more mad and stressed now than I did fucking 20 minutes ago.
Speaker: Cause I am like, cause this isn't, this isn't drama.
Speaker: This isn't jokes.
Speaker: Like I don't want to fucking see this shit in my life.
Speaker: ridiculous silly over-the-top entertainment which like what love is blind is supposed to be um so yeah a fucking fire vanessa lachey she really hates notodivergent men so much i have to wonder if she is just like projecting some feelings about that man who's sitting next to her who's like just being quiet and like probably dissociating and then
Speaker: only pays attention when he knows exactly what line of his he's supposed to read.
Speaker: And he likes to play good cop and like, see all the different perspectives.
Speaker: I have absolutely no idea.
Speaker: what how negotiate his brain works but it just does feel a little fishy how come like that's those are the men you always go after and that you just fucking hate like so yeah fire vanessa i don't like her she's bad she's bad i don't like her she's it's so much far beyond i don't like her but like at this point my brain is fried from anger
Speaker: Yeah, like there was just simply too many things that... I know.
Speaker: We didn't even get into like 75% of what he wrote in my notes app.
Speaker: But yeah, this has been a long episode.
Speaker: And this is not the last time we're talking about season four of Love is Blind.
Speaker: Because we're filming... We're recording another episode about it in two days.
Speaker: Yeah, and you are all welcome to watch that episode as well.
Speaker: And we are going to have a special guest.
Speaker: Yes, at Domestic Blisters on TikTok.
Speaker: We'll be coming on just to sort of discuss the season as a whole.
Speaker: What we learned, what we thought.
Speaker: Yeah, and then I guess that will be posted probably on Thursday.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And then as we got to see at the end of the reunion, there's going to be a queer version of Ultimatum premiering, I think, May 24th.
Speaker: And we are definitely going to cover that without a doubt.
Speaker: And then in the meantime, I don't know what we're going to do in the meantime, but something.
Speaker: I know what I'm going to be doing in the meantime.
Speaker: What?
Speaker: Now everybody in the 202, throw your hands in the air because Fat Joe is through.
Speaker: Now everybody in the 202, throw a month.
Speaker: Thank you for listening, everyone.
Speaker: Good night.
Speaker: Check it out.
Speaker: Okay, fine.
Speaker: You can finish it.
Speaker: I'm a white boy, but my neck is red.
Speaker: I put Miracle Whip on my Wonder Bread.
Speaker: My face is pale.
Speaker: Nah, I've never been in jail.
Speaker: Me and Buffy spent every week.
Speaker: Winter and Veil.
Speaker: How many bitches have I slept?
Speaker: Zero.
Speaker: And Martha Stewart happens to be my hero.
Speaker: I grew up on a farm and I was born with no rhythm.
Speaker: Dr. Phil's my uncle and I like to hang with him.
Speaker: I can't dance.
Speaker: I wear khaki pants.
Speaker: My middle name's Lance.
Speaker: My grandma's from France.
Speaker: So maybe I'm whack because my skin ain't black.
Speaker: But you can't talk smack because Whitey just struck back.
Speaker: Isn't this amazing?
Speaker: You're not even white and you rap that humiliating rap.
Speaker: I mean, you know, when I was watching Love, the reason this song kept coming back to me after I found out.
Speaker: It's because of Cameron rap.
Speaker: I know.
Speaker: That Cameron rap was just, I was like, oh my God.
Speaker: I love you, but like, oh my God.
Speaker: Well, this was, yeah, I'm looking forward to watching.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Looking forward to watching The Ultimatum.
Speaker: This was a crazy love is blind, y'all.
Speaker: Once again, if you guys have opinions on this season, you would like us to read on the podcast.
Speaker: We would love that.
Speaker: You can reach out to either of us and just send us a DM.
Speaker: I'll be checking my message requests every now and then.
Speaker: Because I am at Erica Heidewald's
Speaker: And I am at jsharyar, which you can see in our little info section.
Speaker: Yeah, I'll put those links down there.
Speaker: And... What?
Speaker: Please like and comment and let us know what other shows you might want us to cover.
Speaker: Five stars.
Speaker: Five stars.
Speaker: Five stars.
Speaker: And, um... Please don't be transphobic, because obviously it stresses me out.
Speaker: I just can't say it anymore, but also it's not about my feelings, okay?
Speaker: Anyways, my god.
Speaker: When I start rambling, that's when I know I just need to click the button.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Over here, don't do it.
Speaker: It's not good.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: All right.
Speaker: So then we will see you at the next episode.
Speaker: Until then.
Speaker: Until death do us part.
Speaker: Amen.
Speaker: Bye.
Speaker: Bye.
