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Your Most Valuable Piece of Gear, YOUR FEET! - SheepFeet
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This week Drew has Caleb and Mark from SheepFeet to talk about taking care of your feet. The SheepFeet our goal is to support you every step of the way on your hunts and throughout everyday life. These guys talk about the idea of SheepFeet and why they started the company. They also talk about how technology has helped them advance their company to build a better product for any hunter. Caleb and Mark are hunters and they want to help you hunt without pain, be protected against future injury, and have a successful hunt!
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Transcript
Introduction and Opening Prayer
00:00:01
Speaker
You are listening to the Tricer Podcast, where we talk all things hunting, gear, and the great outdoors. Before we begin, let's start things out right and put God first. Lord Jesus, I thank you for Tricer, and I ask that you can use this podcast as a way to bring joy to all of our listeners. We lay Tricer and this podcast at your feet. Amen.
The Total Luxury Challenge
00:00:23
Speaker
All right. Day four of total luxury challenge, Utah.
2020 Business Trends and COVID
00:00:29
Speaker
I just got myself fitted with some new sheep's feet insoles and I've wanted to meet Caleb Mark for a long time, for years. They both started their company the same year as I did in 2020. Yes. Which is kind of the going trend. There's a bunch of dumb guys who started their company during COVID because like everyone, I mean, Montana Knife same way. There's a bunch of us all do the same thing.
00:00:50
Speaker
But I don't know if it was dumb because it seemed like it worked awesome with the COVID hit.
Father-Son Hunting Company
00:00:54
Speaker
Everybody was online eyes were seeing everything. Yeah. So it seemed to work perfect for us. Yeah, we were we were like January or February of 2020. And then also COVID hit. But uh, well, yeah, man, how
Orthotics Industry Experience
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are you guys doing? I'm excited to have you on this is a father son hunting company success story.
00:01:12
Speaker
doing a hunting company full-time, which is, I think, a lot of people's goals, because you get to have, like what I always say, the coolest job in the world. Coolest job in the world. It's been amazing. We started in 2020, just like you said, and he, well, let's just shift over to you. Why don't you just start it back farther? Mark is really excited to come on this podcast, by the way. Mark was just like, yes, I'm so excited to go and talk. And he's lying.
00:01:39
Speaker
I kept saying, that's the guy that you need to talk to, not me. All people in technology, they just don't blend, so this fear. But still, it's a father-son thing, and now you... Let's go with you, because I love that you had something that you were doing for years, and your son was able to take it to the next level. You keep calling your son the boss, which is really neat to have somebody... I think a mark of a good leader is somebody who's willing to transition to somebody younger and bring them up, and that's really neat to see you be able to have the...
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Speaker
not have the ego there and be able to work
Orthotics in Hunting
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Speaker
with your son and do that. It's hard for a lot of people to do. So let's get your story Mark. So you've been doing, you've been doing feet for a long time. I've been doing orthotics for over 40 years. I don't know, probably close to 48 years. Wow. I started in high school. My dad was a podiatrist.
00:02:26
Speaker
And so he kind of taught me back then There weren't a lot of places to send the orthotics out to to get made So he taught me to make them and I made them for him and a few more local guys said hey Will you make it for me? I hate making them, you know
00:02:40
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the morning of the person's coming in kind of deal, most of the podiatrists did. And so after school, I kind of wasn't sure what I wanted to do. I didn't really love going to school that much after high school. Yeah. And so dad said, hey, let's do an orthotics lab. And it just really clicked. And we had done it nationally for, you know,
00:03:03
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Like I said, over 40 years. Well, pause because I want to interject for a second. Caleb was really close with me. He's one of the best, when it comes to just those people that are incredible with their hands and know how to fix everything and work and do everything and configure anything out. That's the type of person my dad is, right? So when he says, I didn't like school.
00:03:23
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but building an orthotic it was it's like 225 different hand-touched processes you have to do to get this built and to be very exact so he was exceptionally good with his hands so then when he says like yeah that
00:03:38
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kind of clicks. You were doing it before the scanners. Yes, before two weeks ago. So it was one of the perfect fits for him at that time. It was great. My father happened to be classmates with the president of the podiatry school in Chicago. So he arranged for me to go back there. I went back and learned fabrication and biomechanics and all of that.
3D Printing in Orthotics
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And so that's how it started. And then my kids all worked with us as a family business and my wife.
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And then a few years ago, Caleb, we had talked about it before, but Caleb said, dad, let's do it for hunters. Because every time we'd go into camp and we'd all walk in to have lunch or whatever, everybody's got their shoes off, rubbing their feet. And we didn't because we're all wearing orthotics. And so I said, run with it. Let's go. We got everything in place and all the professional knowledge we've learned all those years. And we've just brought that into the hunting industry.
00:04:41
Speaker
That's really neat and honestly getting to hear like the I had no idea I don't maybe a lot of people know that like 40 years like you guys are experts Yeah, you are experts in this field and that makes me feel way better about the purchase that it's made this morning Right. I actually got my whole team orthotics I got four sets of them this morning and like hearing like you guys been doing this forever it's not it's like you guys are going out and buying a thing and putting in a shoe you guys are
00:05:06
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custom making something with skill behind it and you're doing it for hundreds we get more of the product in a little bit yeah and some people get a little yeah they get a well yeah when did you start 2020 and it's like oh you're you're manufacturing this corrective device that's getting my feet back to level there is kind of a barrier that could be scary for people but no we have within the family generation after generation we have been trained and learning all the knowledge with
00:05:33
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the overall health of the foot,
Benefits of Custom Orthotics
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so. You guys are feet guys. We're foot guys. I hear that's really popular, like only fans and stuff now being feet guys, so. That's what we get all the time at these shows. People are coming in like, I bet you sell these foot pictures and these feet replicas for a ton on Footfinder.
00:05:50
Speaker
I'm not that original to take it. Okay. We've got some pretty good professional athletes. We could sell their feet if we wanted. I'll bet. I'll bet. So now you got this idea to start sheep's feet and one thing that I thought was really intriguing is you pretty much been full-time right off the bat. Right off the bat. Which is like not common.
00:06:13
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I mean, for me, it wasn't. It took me four years. A lot of guys, it's a year, two years, three years in before they make that jump. Did it just take off? Yeah, a part of it was that COVID time, right? And when I started thinking of the idea and all these things hit where, hey, let's go take this to the hunting industry, hunters understand frames are in frame packs.
00:06:41
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A typical orthotic is a very high educational barrier to a customer to have to explain what this benefit of this $250 orthotic, why this is different than just a $60, $80 insole off the shelf. That's usually a hard barrier that would be going into that hunting would be a lot easier because they understand frames. I just went right into it at COVID, started marketing,
00:07:06
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started making them for people and just grinding it out. And so the COVID thing really helped to get it going, but then just right from the start, just keep pushing it. Yeah. And as hunters, I really cannot think of another industry that needs orthotics more. Like where else is there where you're putting? Holy cow. Like you can't prepare us to ultra light guys. Cause we, we could be, we as ultra light as possible. We're still 40, 50 pounds, 60 pounds, no matter what. You'd have to fix rifle, ammo, food.
00:07:33
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So we're putting the most weight on our bodies. And I think the most important thing that you can have in your pack is a tripod. But the second most important thing is honestly your boots. Your boots, yeah. I have a lot of foot problems. Like I roll my ankles, which we talked about, you're going to fix that for me. And I rub like my front of my toe box, I rub the inside of my
00:07:58
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of my foot and I get heel lift. I switched over to Kennetrex two seasons ago and it's pretty much solved most of that. I still, if my feet get heat when they heat up, I get some issues a little bit. I have to be very careful. I have to pull boots, change socks. I tape before I go. I run, not gaff tape, whatever that tape is.
00:08:20
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I'll run that before I get out there. I did buy a cheap orthotic for like 50 bucks.
New Technology and Scaling Challenges
00:08:25
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That helped me a lot, but it still wasn't perfect. Yeah. And that was maybe like, oh wow, that's when I saw you guys. I'm like, I need to do this for me because you're going to solve. Why are orthotics important? How are you going to solve that versus just buying a blanket shoe? Because I'm sure some guys can buy a regular shoe and it's fine.
00:08:45
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Right, yeah most hunters they're gonna have that weight on their back and why it is extremely important is our feet over time haven't evolved so back in hunter-gatherer times that everyone was very lean and There wasn't these hard man-made artificial surfaces that they're walking on Yeah, there was rocks, but there was a lot of dirt and those types of things. So back then orthotics not
00:09:10
Speaker
Needed honestly because their feet are staying strong. They're on good good surfaces. They're not overweight nowadays most people are overweight or packing on a ton of muscle and Your feet are just a spider way of muscles and bones and ligaments 25 bones over a hundred muscles and ligaments almost like a spider web that's constantly moving So when we put those extreme weights on our back, there's a lot of
00:09:36
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of chance for fatigue and for risk to set in and then to have injuries. So that's where an orthotic is great. The easiest way we tell it to people so that they understand it is we relate it to a pack without a frame to a pack with a frame. If you have a frame pack, if you're a dude, let's back up one step and you go to the gym and you work out your body, you get your back strong, you get everything strong and you're about to go on a hunt.
00:10:03
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and you have a pack with a frame or a frame pack, a pack without a frame, you're going to take the frame pack because it's going to distribute the weight. It's going to help fatigue, cut down on fatigue. It'll help prevent injuries. And when you're going to start putting heavy loads in and going multiple, multiple days, that's where things are going to really pay off with that frame that it's going to help you out so much. And orthotic is no different. It is essentially a frame for your foot that we have to make custom, unlike that insole that you were putting in your shoe that's close. It's like a size nine, right?
00:10:33
Speaker
But just taking your feet, you have really wide forefoot. I got huge feet, like Trump. Huge. You have a really wide forefoot and a narrower heel. So it's going to be a little bit hard. Everybody's feet are different to get it dialed in. But this orthotic, because it's a very rigid frame, that's what's going to support you. And we have to make that custom to your foot. Otherwise, it'd be pushing into your foot and hurting it in certain places that
00:11:00
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that you wouldn't want because it's not shaped to that specific shape. So whether you're a hunter or not anyone can benefit from it and we like to make it a very low profile when it comes into terms of orthotics. A lot of doctors do a super high arch which is acting more of a brace which causes atrophy. Ours are in what we call settle zone philosophy where your foot when you're standing on it and it starts to smush out.
00:11:23
Speaker
And before you start to improperly roll or collapse, that's where we want that arch and this orthotic to then hug your foot. So your foot can still pivot, function, stay strong, and it's not completely reliant on it. We're just trying to help for those times when you have the heavy weights, cut down on the fatigue on these long hunting trips, you kill, you got to pack out. That's when real injuries can occur with plantar fasciitis or ligaments, different things like that, tendinitis. Stress fractures.
00:11:52
Speaker
So that's like, honestly, that is an orthotic in a nutshell. It is a frame to help cut down on fatigue and then make your boots custom. Like your kenetrex help it just dial it in even more custom to you and give you the exact support that you need for that complete custom boot system. And we kind of talked about it earlier.
00:12:10
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It's not only supporting the bottom of your foot, it's supporting the sides too, right? Like you're doing shaping and you're doing stuff. It's not just a flat. In my mind, I go and buy an orthotic on Amazon for 50 bucks. This is what I have in my mind, this is what I bought last year. And it's just basically a flat blue thing I put in there.
00:12:32
Speaker
And that's it. So walk me through the process of like how this thing works because you guys used to send out a mold, right? Do you still do the mold? We don't. You don't know. I think, yeah, we do have the mold on the website. It's an additional $50 fee because we have two shipments back and forth and we have the cost of the mold and then we have the extensive old labor process to do so.
00:12:56
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With the new process, I'll let you go over it. Yeah, you just used it two weeks, but I was like, are you being serious? We used to be five weeks, four or five. Yeah, we used to be four or five weeks. No, no, you said like, how long you been doing the scan thing?
00:13:08
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Two weeks. There you go. You literally just started doing it and that's an app we could get. Dude, gnarly, everyone listening. You literally could download the app, scan your foot, and then you have it saved forever. Forever. That's another cool part. I remember that was one thing you only kept for a certain amount of time before. Two years. Two years before. You don't want to keep these molds. We have conics boxes full of feet. Just stacked. But now you can have it. But now you just scan this thing, put it into a freaking Google Drive folder. It's in our database. And you've got it forever.
00:13:38
Speaker
right there. Yeah, that's rad. And it is super, super easy that, you know, it's taken us three years to develop that and to where if somebody goes, well, this needs a little more arch or we need a little week, we can very easily go back into your scan with, you know, with the data and raise that arch and then reprint. Now we're 3d printing these orthotics.
00:14:00
Speaker
out of a high density polypropylene which is a material that I've used my whole career to make orthotics. It's kind of a standard and it is a great, great product.
00:14:12
Speaker
Okay. Yeah, the Castar technology is what you're talking about that we just launched that we developed. The whole bottleneck in the past has just been production because we would hit times of four to five to six weeks coming up to the hunts because people would procrastinate and that correction process on the foot we could not rush.
00:14:31
Speaker
Hunters don't procrastinate. Not at all. They don't wait till the last day to buy their freaking, I sell tripods all- I wonder how many tripods you're just getting ready to ship out right before the hunt. I sell tripods all year long listeners. Yeah. Not just the day before your hunt. Yeah, it's hilarious. It's like, you see, like, July is a really good month for us, right? Yeah. It'll be our biggest month so far this year. And then August, September, then like, right, it gets October, like your hunt's October 21st. Just drops off. Dude, October 15th, they're just going nuts and ordering stuff to get it in there.
00:15:01
Speaker
Hunters are awesome. Yeah, it takes us it used to it won't now but when we did it before it's very time-consuming we have to they do that impression we fill that full of plaster and then we pop the replica of their foot out then we correct that we have people that then have to go and rebuild the foot with put more plaster on there and shape it we have specific contact points but it can literally take
00:15:25
Speaker
half a year to train someone to where they can, on their own, if not longer, be able to shape and do that. And that's where we always bottlenecked. Always. And now you can take that file and put it right into a 3D printer. That's it. Yeah. So now instead of all of that and.
00:15:40
Speaker
the labor intensive of heat pressing and grinding all the excess off to the shape of the foot. Now that Castar technology is what we've been developing. So you just scan the foot with an iPhone. If you don't have an iPhone, you don't need the app. You can find someone with an iPhone and scan it and delete the app. Like it's just needed to get the scan at this moment. People don't use iPhones are weird. Like Nate from all in. Nate from all in uses a droid. And I'm like, why are you so weird? You own like, come on, just gets 20, 24 and eight. Get an iPhone. Get an iPhone, dude. It's weird. What's the duct tape that gets me?
00:16:10
Speaker
We're working on getting it developed on Android, but that's a lot harder for our application because iPhone already had the depth camera really dialed in and very nice. So being able to go straight from that, but we're working on Androids. You don't need it. You can find someone with it or you can just order the kit online, but it does cost extra because we have a lot of extra work.
00:16:32
Speaker
going back to that process. But you just scan your foot with the phone and it takes over 500,000 depth measurements of your foot from that picture. So same camera you use to scan your face to log in, unlock your iPhone. Same exact system. Scan 500,000 depth measurements of your foot and on our back end we have a 3D model and then we build and do everything. We've put it through our
00:16:58
Speaker
patent pending process, our proprietary correction process, it's all done digitally now which is what's so cool and then it just generates the orthotics custom to you and your foot and then we just load up this giant 3D printer and print them all out and it's awesome. It's strong enough, I always worried about the 3D printing in 2017 when I was watching it
00:17:20
Speaker
And then about 2019, from advancements, it's like, OK, it's getting there. 2020, it's like, let's start really going, going hard and looking into this. And then 2021, we were full steam into it. So I'm a hunter and I want to get some sheep's feet before season. I get this half now. When am I going to get my sheep's feet?
00:17:39
Speaker
So our normal production times, we were around four weeks. Uh, right now production time, because it's before the hunts is about two weeks. We are. Our goal is to get this around a week. That's right. Just turn time. Yeah. So get them. We'll have seven days and they'll be shipped out to you. That's the goal. And we're just constantly fine tuning all these new big systems that are also new to us to get it quicker and smoother for you. When you say a big dirty printer, are you printing like?
00:18:08
Speaker
10 different pairs at a time? We're printing 60 different pairs to a time. And it knows which, everyone's different and knows that? Yeah. So we just like generate a whole bag. How many things are there on their heads doing it? It's one printer generating 60 pairs, so 120 parts. Lays down powder and then the next arm comes back and ends.
00:18:28
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So if you imagine a big cube, like let's just say foot and a half by foot and a half by foot and a half, right? A big cube that it just packs that full with as many parts or orthotics as you could get. And we're fine tuning that packing code to get more and more. We started around 40, we have it up to about 60, and then we're hoping to be like 80 to 100 within the next few months as we fine tune that process. But yeah, it just 12 hours, it prints the whole build volume.
00:18:58
Speaker
So, how many shoes have you guys sold in four years?
00:19:02
Speaker
Oh, crap. No idea. I could count it up. I'd have to add it. I mean, do you think it's, like, in the thousands, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, you're saying 60. I'm like, wow, you're selling a lot more than I thought. That's a testament to me of, like, how people are using your stuff. Probably around, like, 40,000 pairs. Really? Yeah. That's unreal-ish. That is awesome, you guys. Give or take. It might be a little less, a little more. I don't know. That's a number. So that's a testament. 35. I'd say 35 probably is a better number.
00:19:32
Speaker
That's testing right there. 35,000 pairs of sheep's feet. 10,000 orders a year, basically, since 2020. That's huge. It's going to get better now because that would involve that process. Now you're going to be probably doing 60 or 80,000 a year, hopefully. That's the goal.
Market Challenges and Patents
00:19:47
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At shows, what would everybody say at shows?
00:19:51
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say like when they'd come up people would come up to us at shows and that was the biggest concern was I was too scared to do the imprint the imprint myself yes did I do this right did I you know I don't think I did it right
00:20:03
Speaker
So they come up to us and now we're hoping it just eliminates that barrier of entry of people being scared. Cause you just download the app, hover your foot inside the outline of the foot. And there's light green light indicators, level indicators. And so if you get the three lights good, you're good to go. Like put it around the outline and that's us like dominant way down. Like, Hey, you're way in the safe zone. Even if you took it off, it would still work.
00:20:30
Speaker
So when you told me you need to scan my foot, I literally thought I was going to have a big machine over here. And they did it with your phone and I thought, oh, this must be their app. Like for them. But it's for everyone. Like everyone could get that app and just scan their feet and do it. That is freaking huge. That's entrepreneurship right there. That's the American dream. Like that's red, building that out. And you guys patented it.
00:20:50
Speaker
Yeah, we're patent pending right now. That's awesome. Everything's in. It's either the American dream or it's been the American nightmare for two years, but we're just glad it's finally here. I have like four patents going right now on top of like the other four I already have. Yeah. Do you have any kickbacks did you get? Are you into it? We're almost at our first.
00:21:12
Speaker
You're going to get something. If you have never patented something, it isn't like you just patented it. It's like they have some freaking tool that goes through and is like, oh, well, this looks like this thing that Nike did in 1972, you know, in 1962. So what's different? And you got to go back. And then the lawyers gets more money. Every time it's like five grand.
00:21:32
Speaker
It's like, they just take it out of you. I remember my first patent, like, oh, it's only gonna be like six grand. I think 20 grand later, I was just like, oh my gosh. Yeah, it's crazy. It's the turn backs. Those lawyers, man, they get their money. They know how to just suck it up. But when they get it, it's worth it. When they get it and you get it right, it's worth it. It's worth doing. And I'm a big proponent of patents, depending on the product that I'm doing. What you're doing, that's obviously being to be patent for sure. Yeah. Because I mean, technology. I mean, honestly, I don't know which one to go into that, but now you technically can start selling that technology.
00:22:00
Speaker
Yeah, we could technically to like some of these running stores or whatever and like get Commissions or whatever it is. So that's that's a really cool thing. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, it's something we definitely needed this this patented because I mean it's not really even mainstream they have like weight plates that you can scan on like their glass and
00:22:20
Speaker
They'll scan your foot from the glass. They'll use like some people will click on an external hardware LiDAR camera and like go around the feet. Most of this is all in just doctor's offices though. Yeah. Which is where it's hard because no one wants to go to a doctor's office and spend 600 to 1200 dollars on a pair of orthotics when it's a really good piece of gear that everybody can benefit from.
00:22:41
Speaker
So that's what's fun is to get this all patented to make it very easily accessible for the public and make this otherwise scary, hard process very easy. So let's talk about now like success stories and like you guys getting people's feet fixed. That's a lot of feet, 40,000 feet. Yeah. So what we're saying to dudes are calling you and telling you that you changed their life. You're up. I'm up.
00:23:10
Speaker
it's it's cooler for him than it is me it's still really really cool for me but uh... probably the most gratifying part of this whole thing uh... besides seeing kaleb run with this is being able to s to hear the success stories and have people at the shows go game changer it is unbelievable i thought i was gonna have to quit hunting i couldn't hike i couldn't now i'm going you know i
00:23:35
Speaker
I used to go on sheep hunts and I'd have to take a day off or two days off you know after we'd got in there and now I'm going every day and I have no problems because when I was making them for doctors I never heard the success stories you know that was the doctor doing it. I just got the complaints or you know this isn't quite right or this you know whatever but it is it's been it's been phenomenal. I've had people I thought
00:24:01
Speaker
you know it shows and they're kind of like they see us and they lock in and they start booking over and I'm thinking oh man is this guy ticked is this guy mad what's he gonna do and they come in and say you saved my life I you know I can walk now where before I you know and we want you to use these things in your everyday shoes if you're paying for a custom orthotic you know we tell them it's not just for hunting boots it's for your tennis shoes for your work for boots your
00:24:28
Speaker
you know shoes that get that benefit of the support all day every day. Yeah it was it was so cool because when the doctors would order similar to a dental retainer they would just take the cast in the foam or however they did it plaster pairs casting
00:24:47
Speaker
And they'd send it to him because he was the lab that would produce it and the device. And then he would ship it back to them. So you never heard from the doctors. It's like they don't tell the doctor how great he was. Yeah, except the doctor. Yeah. Yeah. If he wanted them cheaper or something. But doctors are great. But then that was cool seeing him like getting all these people like I love.
00:25:10
Speaker
like it's taken away my lower back pain. It's done, there's just so many health benefits, basic health benefits that can come from it. And seeing him be able to like get that feedback and people come up and talk and it's like, yeah, that's because we have been doing this for 40 years, never really getting any, him never hearing the gratification of what he's been doing in his trade and then
Health Benefits of Orthotics in Hunting
00:25:31
Speaker
getting it. So it's been really cool to see that, but it is cool from the people.
00:25:34
Speaker
That's my favorite part, so listeners, if you are running my stuff, I love to hear your success stories. I love to hear, man, this stuff's awesome. It makes me more motivated. So, like, if you didn't run your sheep's feet, send them an email, send them a DM. Like, dude, this is rad. Like, it means the world to somebody who's putting their life into something, into a business. And really, the cool thing about the hunting industry is
00:25:58
Speaker
We just love hunting, right? And we're doing it because we want to make you more successful. And getting to live vicariously through my customers, you get to go on sheep hunts, right? I haven't done sheep hunt yet, or go on moose hunts. I mean, I have thousands and thousands of tripods out there now, and they're going to be used all over the world this year. That's just so cool. That's just so cool, man. And yeah, what percentage of hunters do you think need orthotics?
00:26:25
Speaker
You know what actually most every one of them could really yeah an orthotic One of the biggest complaints is people say my heel hurts your mind the front of my foot the pad of my foot Well, when you get a good orthotic with a good, you know a rigid frame to it that's made to you Now you're dispersing your weight through your whole foot instead of heel forefoot pain You know what I mean and your arch collapsing and that so almost all all hunters all it
00:26:53
Speaker
In the podiatry world, and I've seen the studies and that, almost everybody, because our bodies have not kept up size-wise with our feet, or our feet haven't been kept up, almost everybody could benefit from it because of the hard surfaces we walk on to get that support.
00:27:13
Speaker
and to help you walk straight with your knees, your ankles, your hips. So really the majority of people, even if they're not having problems, can benefit by preventing problems.
00:27:24
Speaker
Yeah, it's just going to keep you in the field longer down the road. Like if you're that 1% of person that's actually doing foot exercises and strengthening your feet like crazy, you could maybe go without it, right? But it's when you start compounding weights, throwing heavy packs on your back, and start doing those things like, hey,
00:27:45
Speaker
the longer if you just have an orthotic it's going to be a couple hundred dollars you can use an hsa fsa card it's going to last you seven plus years i mean hell arrows are so expensive now hsa an fsa card approved so yeah it's a it's a health device but
00:28:02
Speaker
All of the gear in the hunting industry is crazy expensive, right? But a $200 piece of gear that's going to be for your health that will possibly keep you in the backcountry and hunting longer and keep injuries from coming up, help out with that. In our opinion,
00:28:19
Speaker
It's the number one piece of gear that you could buy, and it's not that much money if you break it down over time. Insoles are 60, 70 bucks. They're going to last you a year to two years, three, four months till the cushion packs out if you don't have a cushion problem with your foot. But this is going to spread way farther than that, and it'll be the best investment you can make maybe next to a tripod.
00:28:42
Speaker
Honestly boots are I mean boots are the most important thing you're gonna run because you're on them all day long You're on them and like I've had hunts ruined by my feet where I've had blisters. I've had issues I used to run a flatter pair of like non
00:28:57
Speaker
I don't name the brand, but I don't run synthetics anymore. Synthetic boot, because everyone who goes synthetics and side healing, it just destroyed me. I mean, blisters, like crazy, all over my feet and had to taping it up. And we were talking, this is like in the Frank Church, having to do, you know, 60 mile pack out round trip on an elk. And it just wrecked me. My feet felt, my feet literally felt flat. I don't know how to describe it or like I felt my feet flattened on that hunt from that. And I'm excited to see this. You guys keep mentioning, like, I want to talk to you about all things.
00:29:26
Speaker
I want to talk about the ankle rolling things you take care of that too But I want to talk about also want to talk about like you keep talking about like your hips your back on stuff I wasn't thinking about that when I did it you guys were so you're saying like these are gonna help my hips Sometimes I get hit pain so anything if you think about it if you've ever done construction or anything If you the foundation of your house drops What happens to every room in the house?
00:29:53
Speaker
It all starts sinking and moving around. It starts sinking. So it's the same way. There's a kinetic, it's called the kinetic chain and that's where, you know, it goes from your hips to your knee, I mean, from your ankles, your feet, to your knees, to your hips, to your back, to your shoulder, you know, all the way up your spine. That if your arches start to fall and you're pronating or supinating, it's going in or out, it's the same thing as your foundation falling. And it throws everything off all the way up the chain.
00:30:22
Speaker
Really? And yeah, we talk to so many people say, I mean, it's a really great thing. It took my knee pains away. It took my hip pain away. We're not claiming it's going to do all that, but that's definitely something that happens. If we get your base sturdy and working the same, it keeps everything else in alignment.
00:30:45
Speaker
You know what's funny? And I think these are going to help me a lot. I used to have a lot of hip pain and I work out like four days a week at least. And I attributed my hips not hurting the last couple of years to me working out and doing more stuff. But I wonder how much it has to do with just changing to the contracts and like having that heel raised a little bit and not those other flatter boots. I don't know.
00:31:07
Speaker
But I'm excited for, I do get, I get some IT band issues in my knees, and I do get a little hip pain every once in a while, especially when I get heavy. When I get heavy, I start getting some hip pain. I'm always coming out heavy, you know. I never don't kill. I better come sit next to you. I never don't kill. I make you look skinny. I'm always coming out heavy.
00:31:27
Speaker
I'm excited for that. Like that sounds like pretty epic to be able to have this hip pain taking care of through an orthotic. And that makes so much sense now. Cause I'm like, if I'm like, you said, uh, what's the word supinating? And yeah, supinating is when you go out.
00:31:43
Speaker
And my instructor at the gym is always like, so you supinate, bro, like, shut up, dude. It's so much better to go in or out, you know? So much better to go. But that makes so much sense, because, like, yeah, now I'm rolling in with that weight that's going to cause force up here, cause that hip pain up here. Wow, that's really neat. Yeah, if it's a structural alignment problem with your body, very simply, things are thrown out of whack, and it's causing stress on it, orthotics can be amazing. If it's another issue, just got to figure out what it is. We've got doctors and different things.
00:32:12
Speaker
Let's talk about the ankle rolling. Keep that in mind. I roll my ankles all the time. I just have a way, I don't know, weak ankles, so I know what that means to me, but I roll all the time. Heel stabilizer is something that comes on the back of the orthotic where the heel is.
00:32:28
Speaker
Essentially, what it's doing is it's making it flat. So when your foot is rolling in or it's rolling out, now that this is flat, when your body weight is on the orthotic, it doesn't allow it to roll in or out as much. So it just gives you that extra support within the ankle, and also just keeping that alignment at that level. Did you put those in my son's? I did not. We need to. He said he didn't have any problems rolling his ankle. He tore his knee last year rolling his ankle.
00:32:58
Speaker
Well then we need to add that onto his face. He literally just had to have surgery because he rolled his ankle packing out an elk last year. Yeah I asked him do you wear your shoes or do you roll your ankles or roll in or roll out and he's like no good. When he walks around the house you hear him coming he's like click, click, click, click because his ankles crack.
00:33:18
Speaker
Oh my gosh. He cracks like crazy. We both do. He's done for. He's done for. So yeah, we need to get him stabilizers in there. We do. Yeah. We'll put that on. I put some miles. Like people talk about having mamas and goats. I have kids. You have kids. I have five kids. I just put some miles on the kids. Like get in there and pack this thing out. But I feel kind of bad because like I did, I mean, I don't think I overpacked them on that elk, but I didn't carry a hind.
00:33:42
Speaker
And it was late at night. That's a lot for him. He wasn't the sturdiest build. He's still young. He's still skinny. And he rolled it. I watched his knee pop. And then he hunted. Then we rode dirt bikes and hunted for another. Because he was like, middle hunting. He was like, we're not getting to fix now. So we hunted through, killed a cooze deer, killed some other stuff. And then now he got surgery on it. Yeah, if he just had surgery, we need to get it put on there.
Industry Recognition and Marketing Challenges
00:34:05
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Which could save a lot. Just add that to it. We'll get her added.
00:34:09
Speaker
So another cool testimony you guys is a lot of big name people are running your stuff We were joking me and Caleb were joking and I'm like man I love like I give away you know a lot of guys run my tripods and then you could see it because they're running it in their pictures on their pack and
00:34:24
Speaker
I'm like, no one knows what's inside my boots. No one. That's no, I could be like, for you guys to be that successful and have no one be able to look inside someone's shoes. It's pretty impressive. But a lot of big name people are running stuff. Who's running your stuff like big name dudes? Aaron Snyder, Brian Call.
00:34:43
Speaker
uh... dance day in big names brad hunt uh... uh... john dudley runs sheep feet
00:34:57
Speaker
There's probably a lot others. There's a lot of dude. There's a lot I'm trying like how big I put you on spot that doesn't matter just like guys in the industry I there's just a lot of people and a lot of the people that we Enjoy the most is like the guides. Yeah Those guys are very trustworthy put the miles on so we appreciate all them Running it and it has all come down a lot of the successes just come down to mouth-to-mouth people just spreading and telling people hey if you're putting the miles on
00:35:25
Speaker
you need to to have a pair of sheep feet so that's been really good coming from guides so the big names like although they're great we just got a lot of just like killers and hunters and people that really put miles on that from the beginning when we got that in their boots it's like go test these
00:35:42
Speaker
and just try it and now they're the ones spreading the word so that's been great yeah great products sell themselves so these guys are selling that many things it's not because it's a gimmick it's because it works and if they're not getting my point was like the way they're selling so many products is they go into camp and people are like my feet are like oh you don't have sheep's feet and when i say about big names i just feel like everyone i talk to in the industry runs your stuff
00:36:05
Speaker
You know what I mean? You gotta get sheeps feet, you gotta get sheeps feet. That's how I end up your days. Brad from Grady was like, you gotta go get some sheeps feet. They're life changing. And Brad puts on like more miles than anybody I know. Brad's a stud. I mean, they want to act like Brian's all gritty and Lampers is all gritty. Brad's going up and back past those guys six times, but then they can stop the hill. He's filming them. You know what I mean? Like Brad is a mountain goat.
00:36:26
Speaker
And I'm not, I'm joking about Brian. Those guys in Brian, those guys are freaking hardcore hikers. You know, Lampers is a stud. But, but. Lampers runs on there. You go. He's one of the first. Yeah. But Brad is doing the same thing. Lampers is doing almost times too. Do you think about it? He's just, he's a savage. I raised him at, uh, at Western hunting expo or not. Western hunting summit. 50 pound pack initial set. And we had to race up this hill.
00:36:52
Speaker
And dude, I was just crushing him. I had like 20 feet on him until we got to the hill. We got about a quarter way up this hill and I'm starting to feel it. And this freaking dude, Pac Mule, just passes me up and just keeps going. Dude, he is next level in shape for hiking. Like if there was, yeah. You could learn so much in a CrossFit gym.
00:37:14
Speaker
That guy, he gets his miles in on the mountain and he's running your stuff and he loves it. Yeah, he's a stud. That's been really fun just rubbing shoulders with all these cool people and just helping to get these in their boots.
00:37:29
Speaker
The thing on that line that I really love is you could be sitting here and this happens all the time. You'll be sitting there and someone's kind of on the fence and they're sitting there questioning. Hunters will walk by and say, game changer, you're an idiot if you don't get them. They change my life and my hunting. And then they'll go, oh yeah, how do you know that guy? No idea. And they'll walk off and somebody else will come through and do it. So that word of mouth is really fun to hear.
00:37:54
Speaker
Yeah, that's what you need like great products all themselves like if like I mean trust me comes a feat like This is a great way to go to business to create an orthotic that sucked Yeah, like your stuff didn't work like there's nothing to piss you off more than bad feet like it just ruins on anyone who's experienced it like knows like there is nothing worse and I'm sit there and tape up blisters or pop blisters and you just it's just If you're walking you can feel
Essential Hunting Gear
00:38:17
Speaker
it. Just oh gosh, it's the worst
00:38:19
Speaker
Yeah, sometimes and boots sometimes just don't jive with people's feet because our feet are so different and so custom so when you throw that in there it just helps that boot be shaped to your foot to cut down on a lot of those micro movements that get blisters and do those types of things so I mean good products people get a little hung up like it's a couple hundred dollars but like it's just like your tripods good products cost money and they cost money and they're going to last
00:38:45
Speaker
I swear, if I have another person telling me a tripod is expensive or sheep feet are expensive and they have an $8,000 custom rifle that they might pull the trigger on once this year if they're lucky, shut up, dude. It's like, everyone wants to buy it, no one has a problem buying a custom-built five-grand rifle, but then they're like, oh, insoles. You're gonna use your insoles every single day of that hunt. If you're lucky, you're gonna pull the trigger once. If you're like me, you're probably gonna pull it four times.
00:39:13
Speaker
You know, on that hunt. You know what I mean? You can't shoot when you can't get to. And if you're miserable, it's gonna suck. And even those miles on, I'm excited for it. I'm gonna spend a ton of time in the fields. I'm gonna put them to work. Yeah, it's like finding just real quick on your point. If you can't find the animal and keep hunting.
00:39:33
Speaker
Whether it's tripod or it's sheep feet, like if you don't have a good tripod, be able to find the animals, you'll never get the animals. If you don't have your feet and your body healthy to be able to keep hiking and not take a morning off and sleep in, like you're not going to find that animal. You just waited all year long to get. You might find an animal, but you won't find the animal that you've been searching for.
00:39:54
Speaker
it's just so important to take care of the important parts of the of the gist you have the gear list and your body and just get things dialed in so that you can keep hunting. So we're going to get into hunting now because I love supporting hunting companies so on that point with the custom rifle thing to prove a point this year I have gotten a factory browning x-bolt 30.6 wood stock
00:40:15
Speaker
I'm running that for every single hunt. We shot an X-Bolt last year. Did you? Yeah. Yeah, my kitchen's an X-Bolt. He's just like the X-Bolt, what's a Hell's Canyon? But I'm shooting a Browning X-Bolt, 30-06 Woodstock for every hunt this year, just from a point that you don't need to have a customer after looking at animals. You need a tripod, you need good boots, you need time in the field, and you can kill anything with what you got, bring what you got.
Family Traditions in Hunting
00:40:36
Speaker
I honestly believe, good optics, yes. I honestly believe the rifle is like the least important part of your kit.
00:40:42
Speaker
It's one shot. You could do it with a savage that costs three or four hundred bucks all day long. It's at least important part, but it's the one that is- Honestly, or bows, like same category. Yeah. Like there's killers with old bows that are just still slang year after year and not brand new bows. I shot with a guy, a big sky. Uh-huh. Outshot all of us. He used this white bow from like 2012 or something, 2010. And this guy doesn't kill any elks more than 370.
00:41:08
Speaker
He's one of the biggest elk killers. You don't even know him. He's on like Instagram or anything. Yeah. One of his biggest elk killers in Montana. And he's shooting a crab of a bone. He's like, yeah, it just works. I change it. It works. It works. But yeah, man. So I'm doing 3.6 for everything this year. Just kind of prove a point. Like you don't. Yeah. Plus I'm on this big kick where 6.5 cream war is not for elk and everyone thinks it is. So I'm like on that kick too. I'm like, oh man. So.
00:41:30
Speaker
Well, we can fight about that one. We shot the 7 PRC last year and that was like my dream come true. 7 PRC, 7 PRC. I shoot 280 Akkale a lot. Basically the same thing. 280 Akkale, 7 PRC is the same thing. My grandpa gave me the podiatrist. He gave me his 7 mag. His featherweight just kicks the shit out of me when I was little. Like, hammer. But I've always loved the 7 mag and I've always wanted it.
00:41:57
Speaker
And then when they finally came out with that, I was like, I'm in. And I loved it. Well, honestly, I put a break on that browning. I probably didn't have my buddy put a break on it for me, just because I want to put a lot of rounds through it. I could shoot 20 through it, but it doesn't get comfortable. So I'm like, put a break on this thing for me and shoot it. So I mean, I've.
00:42:14
Speaker
I will admit, a 300 wind mag is going to kick, so every mag is going to kick. But yeah, I've killed Elk with a 260, which is a cream one. To me, I just feel like there's no placement for displacement, you know what I mean? You get a big, heavy sub-moment of bolt in there, or a big, heavy 30-caliber bolt in there, it's going to do a lot more damage. You're absolutely right. It's going to do it. So I'm glad we're talking about hunting now, because everyone wants to support a hunting company.
00:42:40
Speaker
Right? And you guys could have went and did feet for whatever runners. Yep. You could have done feet for all the granola eaters at REI. Yep. But you're doing it for hunters. And that's probably because you guys might hunt. You guys hunt? No. No, never. I was raised hunting. You were raised hunting. Where'd you grow up?
00:43:02
Speaker
Or him, Provo. Oh, up here. He's right here in Utah. Yeah, born here in Utah. Okay. I got to get some dirt on. Kid drew that tag this year. I said it on the podcast again. Dang it. Just beep it out. Beep that out. My kid drew a tag in Antarctica. My kid that you've measured his feed drew that tag this year. Oh, that's a great tag. So you grew up hunting. Yeah, absolutely. Avid Waterfowl, big game. My dad was an avid hunter.
00:43:31
Speaker
He grew up in Brigham City. And just absolutely, it's the love of my life besides my wife. I love hunting. How many kids you got? Three. Three kids. Yeah, I've got a daughter and then two sons. Both the boys hunt? Mm-hmm. Both the boys hunt? Your daughter hunts too? We all hunt. Do you? I grew up with it. Okay, I have five kids my daughter won't hunt. She's like, she'll go shoot with me, but she's not another thing. Yeah, wife hunts, both of our wives hunt with us.
00:44:00
Speaker
Really? Should you guys do like family out-campus stuff still?
00:44:03
Speaker
Deer camp's big for us every year. So in Utah, it's really hard to get an elk tag. Not really an elk state as far as just opportunity. There's some over the counter opportunity, but not as far as just like quality elk hunting year after year. So, but we do have that opportunity with deer. So we do a family like deer camp every single year. Just trailers now. Trailers now. Yeah. Now we have heaters. So everybody brings a trailer and we just hang out for the week or even if they don't have tags, like,
00:44:31
Speaker
They still come down for the weekend. And we all just hang out and make those memories. It's really, really fun. There's nothing better than sitting around a campfire. Even being with my kids, I tell people all the time, because we live in San Diego, so we've got to drive. So I'm going to just probably put in 500 hours a year driving anymore. But getting your kid in the car with you, it's 10 hours on driving and talking to them. And then getting out in the hills, and getting wet together, and getting miserable together, getting cold, packing an elk out together.
00:45:00
Speaker
That's why you got such a good relationship now. I attribute hunting to so much of that, to the character my boys have, the hard work ethic my boys have. My boys here work in the booth right now for me. He was joking, he works for free. But he does, yeah. I got a pair of sheep's feet. He eats and has a roof over his head. He can come hang out with that for him again. But he's getting a lesson in business too, right? But there's nothing better.
00:45:23
Speaker
I would stick him, we had horses, and I'd stick him on the pack saddles or on my saddle as we'd backpack way back in to hunt and I'd look back and the boys would be half asleep or asleep. They'd just pinch my hands right around front. I'd just put my hands around him. He would just pinch it and I'd just go to sleep. I mean, where we hunted off horses, it was four or five hour ride in to get back in there. We'd take the whole family in.
00:45:52
Speaker
Really do the whole thing. We'd take a train in of horses before and pack the stuff in and then we'd all go in there or so before. It was unbelievably fun. You know what I'm struggling with? And people told me this. I worked so many hours and now I'm full-touched full-time so I can hunt a lot more and be born with my family more, which is great. Man, everyone said like, you're going to miss this, you're going to miss this. My oldest boy has turned 18 like next month. And man, I'm having a hard time.
00:46:20
Speaker
Like he's going to go off to school and like, this might be my last year hunting with him for awhile. You know, maybe next year, a little bit, but he's going to be 20. He can get married. Who knows how much he's going to hunt. Who knows what kind of job he wants to be a lawyer. And like reality is he doesn't want us to hunt, but like you might not be hunting for another 10 years, but you know what I mean? Or very minimal.
00:46:39
Speaker
Hopefully he carves it out. I'm sure that you've hunted with him and he has those memories too. Those kids have killed a lot of stuff. I gotta go every year. Like, he probably has the itch. Yeah, he has the itch. The passion. He needs it every year, I'm sure. But man, like, how big was that for you doing your kids and doing that when they were young? Those memories, you can't get them back. You know what? I'll tell you how big it was. I was a professional outfitter for many, many years.
00:47:01
Speaker
and one day we were at a christmas party and one of the grandmas said to my to my kids you and they were still well they were getting old enough to go and said boy you're so lucky your dad's got horses and dogs i had hounds and all this you get to go with him all the time and they they kind of looked at each other and went no dad's guiding all the time and that my heart just went and broke and i gave up guiding and
00:47:26
Speaker
Spent the time with my boys and my family instead of with some out, you know, some hunter. And it was the absolute best decision I ever made in my life. And it's just made us a close family and we all love to be together and to hunt. So it was, those memories I could never get back.
Memorable Hunting Experiences
00:47:46
Speaker
Being with my boys when they were young and hunting. You probably wouldn't have sheep feet if it wasn't for that. Probably wouldn't. Yeah.
00:47:53
Speaker
I love how Mark said that he hates doing podcasts and doesn't want to do it. And Mark just stole the whole show. He just freaking crushed this whole podcast. He does. But yeah man, I love being with all my boys and doing it and I can't get it back and spending time with them. I don't think I understood that when I was younger. I'm almost 40 now and I'm really understanding.
00:48:12
Speaker
Things, objects are so not important to me right now. Spending time with my kids is more important. My family's here with me this weekend, so they could be a part of this. I want to be with them all the time. I want to be with them because, man, they're getting older and they're leaving. They're going to get married. They're going to have their own kids. They're going to have their own wives. And even though the teenagers are a little bit difficult sometimes, especially my 18-year-old, sometimes you want to just throw them through a wall. Yeah, we did that sometimes at 18, 19.
00:48:44
Speaker
He's just branching off more. He's becoming a man, but he's still calling me for grocery money when we're sitting here. Yeah. No, you're a man now. You need grocery money? There's my kid right there, one of them. Man, what a good podcast. Why don't we end this thing with a hunting story? Okay. And then we'll wrap it up. You're looking at me? Yeah. Hunting story. Why not? Who got one?
00:49:07
Speaker
Tell us your first year. Give me your first year story. First year, hunting? Your first deer. OK. We pack in. He takes me, right? We pack the horses and the mules in. We get there the night before, set camp up. We're sitting there glassing. And I'm really fresh at this, so I don't really. I mean, I've gone out with him, but I've never really worked for myself. So I'm really into it. So I'm off glassing this ridge where we had packed in at base camp. And a hammer buck. We're talking.
00:49:37
Speaker
200 plus really probably 205 if I had to put a number on it just crap
00:49:43
Speaker
Huge and I'm like right skyline bedded on the sky only reason I saw him cuz I'm 14 years old. Yes I spot him and then I I might yell at him like I found a big deer He comes over and he's like, where is it? Like it's right on the skyline and he's like, it's probably just a tree and I'm like, I really think it's a deer I've seen it move and so he pulls the the binoculars up and he goes, oh shit, I
00:50:10
Speaker
And I knew it was big then and he's like, that's huge. So then we're, we're sitting there and we're like, okay, like we're going there opening morning. So then a couple of the other families that hunted that area with horses come in, we kind of go up and it's like, yeah, we're going on this Ridge in the morning.
00:50:25
Speaker
Have you told them what you haven't told them? Oh, no. Are you kidding? I love it for this reason. We're the best loving liars in the world. Absolutely. So he's like, we're going to go talk to everybody and let them know where we're hunting in the morning. So he goes out. There's an easy place for my kids. Just let me have this rich good morning. Right? Like not even the basins or anything. And it's way in there. So it's still high elevation. But I mean, it's called the shooting gallery because that's where all the young kids shoot their first deer.
00:50:54
Speaker
but it's at the top so it's a ways so it's like yeah we're going up here gets it all dialed in we go in opening morning and uh can't find them can't get eyes on them and so we just keep walking down the ridge walking down the ridge stop glass weight we can never get eyes because there's not really a good like spot to shoot from
00:51:15
Speaker
eventually we catch them and they're right below us but they had already seen us and so looking right at us wasn't even that deer it was just another really good four point probably like mid 170s buck gorgeous and
00:51:30
Speaker
I just instantly as a kid like there's a deer just pulled my rifle up put the crosshairs right between its eyes and pulled the trigger. Yeah not so fresh right not even just like excitement and just rip one off mist and
00:51:46
Speaker
it all hell just breaks loose. Just start running everywhere. So the whole the whole little bachelor group just like takes off and they're running across the face and I'm just like lobbing at them why they're running just going crazy. I have two boys who both killed deer and I have had circuses nine shots. Yeah, like my son's first buck nine shots. And I'm like, how are you missing?
00:52:11
Speaker
I was letting him just go because I was looking for the big one. You have a tag too? That's when it was basically open. So I'm just lobbing at them and they're taking off blowing out of there. They go up the way we walked down the ridge. They go back and then up and over.
00:52:31
Speaker
And I'm furious as a 14-year-old. It's just like so hard. I've had the tears of the kids. And he's like, it's OK keeping me all pumped up. And he's like, let's just we're going to hike back up to the top of the ridge and we're going to sit there like it's fine. And some of the deer had had blown down into the bottom of the draw below us. So we hike up to the top and we're sitting there and I'm just so mad at myself and beaten down.
00:52:55
Speaker
And then he's just still pumping me up. He's like, listen, a lot of the deer went down. They're going to try and come back. There's a good chance they try and get back with the bachelor group. And we're sitting there and 10 minutes haven't gone by and we see this deer just sneaking its way back up. It was a two point two by three. And I mean, it was just all bets were off at that point.
00:53:15
Speaker
It's the perfect first year. So he's coming up. He's coming up and gets me on it. And now at this time, there's no buck fever. I'm just so upset. And I'm just like, I can't hit it anyway. Just like a dumb little kid. And then I just boom, smashed him, dropped him. He was at like 400 or something like that, 350. And then he died. And we walked down there and he died right next to the tree, like at the exact tree that my dad proposed to my mom at.
00:53:44
Speaker
No way. Yeah, so it was just like a really cool first deer, and then it was like, I was through the moon. Just so excited, just stoked, right? It's so fun. I didn't kill a deer until this January from 2019. All I've been doing is guiding my kids. They've both killed four deer now, antelope, elk, and I've always been guiding pigs, the whole thing, you know?
00:54:08
Speaker
and uh it's you get so much more joy and you'll get experience at some point too I just had our first kid four months and I already can't wait yeah you can't uh but there's no better feeling than getting your kid a deer and I've had that same circus like where the kids are just going like and you're sitting there like what are you shooting at my other son's first deer
00:54:33
Speaker
that we had a doe tag, maybe it was a second deer, maybe we got the buck first, and we get to this deer, and we ended up hiking from the truck up top of this ridge, and then finding this deer right by the truck. So we had to hike all the way back down, and we're like, we get to like 300 yards, and we couldn't get any closer to this open desert stuff.
00:54:50
Speaker
And so I lay him down, and we're laying in a pile of red hands. I don't realize this, I'm just getting bit. And I'm like, hold on, let me get your scope. He's shooting my 260, he's got a big break on it. Let me get your scope.
Celebrating Young Hunters
00:55:02
Speaker
I'm going to grab this hook, touches one off, blows my ear. My left ear is still blown out from that day. He blew my ear off. Misses, dials in, misses more time than dials in, just hammers it, gets it. But it's just like, kids, it's fun. It's a rodeo.
00:55:20
Speaker
But man, I'll tell you what, that doe is way more exciting than any of the bucks I killed. Like the deer I killed, I killed a bomber down in Sonora this year and I would trade that buck for any of my kids' deers. I remember one when we were elk hunting and we were driving, going back to camp and here comes a whole herd across from us.
00:55:38
Speaker
I said okay that last cow I'm gonna stop her right in the hill you should and he I can't make it too long shot it's like cow called you know and they all stop and look at us and he shoots and just just pounds her and she goes right down awesome and oh he was so excited
00:55:54
Speaker
Yeah, that's cool. And I'm just excited to be able to relive all those firsts again. Yeah, you are. Once he's older. It's what it's about. It does slow down, so you have to have those circuses to get to the one shots. My boys have had a bunch of one shots now. I mean, they just freaking hammer. The kid that you measured his feet, he has ice in his veins.
00:56:12
Speaker
That kid's a killer. That's sweet. It's the older one that gets a little bit shaky on the trigger. But dude, that kid there, man, he's just like, he shot a buck up here in Utah at 385. Dropped him. I was like, whoa. That's sweet. Glassed him up, made a 1,000-yard stock. Got over there and just freaking hammered him.
Conclusion and Social Media
00:56:29
Speaker
Yeah, he's a killer, man. He killed a cow this year, same way. They both did. They had a good time.
00:56:35
Speaker
Man, you guys are a success story. Sheet feet. Go check them out. Go get a pair. I just bought four pairs, because I'm sold a lot of them, because everyone I know is running them. And thanks, guys. I appreciate you doing this. This was fun. We're excited to use your tripod this year. Oh, yeah. What tripod are you guys running this year? The tricers. Tricers? Of course you are. The one everybody's talking about. That's awesome. Oh, thanks, guys. Let's do it again. Thank you. Sounds good. Thanks.
00:57:03
Speaker
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