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Pixar Tier List
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In this episode, Satsunami and Andrew take on one of the greatest animation studios of all time Pixar Animation Studios! Join us as we decide which films belong in our Pixar Perfect tier to ones that suggest your mum/dad watches DreamWorks. With a mini review for each film, you won't want to miss this one!
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Introduction to Chatsunami Podcast
00:00:05
Speaker
Welcome to Chatsunami.
00:00:16
Speaker
Hello everybody, and welcome to another episode of Chatanami. My name's Satanami, and joining me today is none other than my Pixar perfect friend, Andrew. Andrew, welcome back. Kachow. Thank you for having me on. Yeah, and I'm good to be back. Of all the references you could have made there, and you went for the Cars one, I admire it. That's all I'm going to say. Thank you. But yeah, how are you doing, old Wilson? I mean, Andrew. Oh wow.
00:00:45
Speaker
Wow. Wow. I'm doing good. Thank you. Thank you.
Recap and Upcoming Pixar Tier List
00:00:48
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I'm excited to do another episode talking about some animated movies last time or not last time but recently we dove into discussing the ins and outs of DreamWorks and now we're gonna delve into more of a tier list system for a different
00:00:59
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animation studio. And as you alluded to there, today we are going to be talking about the very amazing animated works of Owen Wilson, I mean Pixar. Nah, that's our next week of course. But yeah, we are going to be doing another tier episode where Andrew and I are going to be diving into the world of Pixar films and yeah,
00:01:21
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going to be ranking them based on our personal preferences. So last time you lovely listeners a whole night of hairdos do a tier list episode was when friend of the show Craigie C and I tackled the second and third generation of Pokemon. That was indeed very tough but we got there in the end. So now Andrew and I, we are tackling a tier episode on our own which is really
00:01:47
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a long time coming, hasn't it, for us doing a tiered episode like this? Yeah, I think so. I know you were too afraid to bring me onto the Pokémon because of my hot takes for which Pokémon should be where. Look, I'm not famous enough to be cancelled yet, okay?
00:02:01
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Maybe in a couple of years we'll bring you back for it. Yeah, we should do a Generation 1 playlist, shouldn't we? Ooh, that would actually be a good idea. Before we get into that episode.
Nostalgic Memories with Pixar Films
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Before we plan a different episode. This is pretty much how all episodes start. It's like, oh my god, that's a good idea for an episode. Write that down. Write that down.
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Before we go into this particular episode, what is your relationship with Pixar in these films? I have a pretty long standing relationship with Pixar movies. Much like I've kind of explained in other not so more nostalgic kind of takes with movies and video games, I did grow up with these properties. I have memories of a bug's life being in my life for a very long time.
00:02:40
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I had toys, a nightlight that was a Bugs Life nightlight. I had a Bugs Life birthday cake. I absolutely adored Toy Story. I had lots of Toy Story toys and watched that all the time. More so Toy Story 2, but we'll get into that a little bit later. I absolutely adored movies like The Incredibles and Monsters Inc. and later Up and some of these other movies. So I do have a very kind of strong existing relationship with Pixar. How about yours? What is kind of your relationship with these movies?
00:03:05
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Pretty similar, because it's hard to find many people who grew up without the influence of Disney films, whether that be the films of the Disney Renaissance, as we kind of briefly talked about in our DreamWorks retrospective episode, but with
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Pixar themselves. Yeah Pixar's always been there, they've always been relatively consistent maybe not in recent years but again we'll get on to that when we talk about the films in particular. It's kind of funny when you were talking about a bug's life there because I always remember I had, do you remember
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kind of in the late 90s, early 2000s there was a real popular boom in the toys that were motion activated to the like quote unquote room guards. I don't remember that actually, I was too young at the time to have remembered it.
00:03:59
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I mean, maybe it was just me noticing it because I had one, but I used to have like this statue, well not statue, but like this big figure of, is it flick? Yeah. Yeah, it was of him and it was like you press a button and they would move and if he detected you, he would bring out the gun. I mean, he would say, oh, danger, danger, whatever. Yeah, it was a
00:04:20
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a cool toy looking back on it. I bet that would have been so annoying for parents. I didn't have it on very often, also I'm pretty sure my parents probably hid the batteries. But what I also remember is with Toy Story, funny enough, I remember being into that quite a lot because my brothers, they're a bit older than myself and they used to have the toys.
00:04:41
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from Toy Story. So I always remember that was a big part of my personal upbringing when it came to films and the movie experiences as a whole.
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So yeah, it's always been there, especially later on with films like The Incredibles, one of my absolute favourite monsters, and then without going into depth, I don't know if it's like a you-grow-up kind of deal or it's just these sort of films don't appeal to you anymore, you know, you kind of think, what is it about these films that I'm not enjoying anymore and
00:05:22
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obviously. They're always going to be trying to push different boundaries to try and test new things, but especially growing up with these films, they definitely played a significant part in my life I would say as well.
Decline of Pixar's Influence?
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Because let's face it, even today, even with Disney Plus and all of that, would you say Pixar is still prominent by today's standards?
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I don't think it has the same impact that it once did. I think it suffers from a saturation now in the market that there are more animation studios now than there once was when they were talking about their height. There are also producing films of the same animation quality and story quality that Pixar was kind of famous for.
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So I do think that there is a lull in the interest and to an extent the quality of Pixar films with the odd exception, but there certainly hasn't been the same level of interest. And you can also kind of attribute that maybe to us being older, that these movies are targeted at a younger demographic than we currently are. And so the newer films may not just hit us the same way that the older films did when we were the appropriate age for those movies.
00:06:23
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However, there are exceptions to that. There are movies within this list that came out recently that hit me and others that did not. Yeah, I'm thinking about one particular film that only gets worse. Well, not worse as in bad in quality. I mean worse as in emotionally draining when
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you get older and you start to watch it and you start to relate more to certain characters but I'm going to save that before we jump into this and start rating these films.
Pixar Tier Ranking System
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We have indeed got a very very thorough ranking system so for those of you listening at home we have got five
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Well, technically four rankings for tonight. We have Pixar Perfect, which is our excellent tier, our S tier. The next tier is To Infinity and Beyond, which is our A tier. Great films that fall into that bracket. For B to C tier, we've got Lightning Me.
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Queen and our penultimate one is Your Dad or Your Mum. We don't discriminate. Your Dad or Your Mum watches Dreamworks, which essentially is our, this film isn't good. This film really is great. I take exception to using Dreamworks as the example for that. I just mean because they're rivals. We love Dreamworks. If you listen to our Dreamworks retrospective episode, then yeah, you'll see how much we actually do love Dreamworks, but for legal reasons, that's a joke.
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You'll have Steven Spielberg and Han Zimmer on the blower, pulling your panda lawyer. Little do you know Andrew, that's me playing the long game to actually get them on to Chatsunami. Debate me Steven Spielberg. Yep, so if you would like to hear my legal court case, head over to patreon.com forward slash Chatsunami.
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for only £1 a month, you too can listen to it. That's a half joke, we do have a Patreon, but not those recordings yet. You too can fund my legal battle. You too can be a panellorian hero. Anyway, my legal troubles aside, the final tier that we've got, and I don't think we're going to really use it that much, but the final tier we've got is just
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never seen. So these are ones that either were probably not as confident about making a judgement on, or ones neither of us have really had much experience with, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. But without any further ado, Andrew, are you ready to cross this Pixar Rubicon
00:08:46
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Yeah, I think I just want to also say that the order of the films that we're going to be discussing it in will be alphabetical to the movies, but also franchises. We'll put the first of the franchise in first. So for example, Finding Nemo and Finding Dory. Find Dory is technically first alphabetically, but we'll talk about Finding Nemo first.
00:09:03
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For those of you home keeping track, just make sure you've got everything in the right order. Thank you for pointing that out. But yeah, this is how the list online has been laid out. So without any further ado, let's go step on some lamps and we'll see you after these messages. The lamp doesn't get stepped on. The lamp does the stepping. Listen, I forgot. OK.
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Debates on Pixar Film Rankings
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So Andrew, let's kick off with none other than the one and only A Bug's Life. Oh, this is going to be a tough one. Yeah, I actually agree with that. I was thinking about that just as we were starting the recording of where I'm going to put A Bug's Life because as we were talking about it earlier, I have
00:11:36
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a very special relationship with a bug's life, having grown up with it, having the toys, there being so many quotable lines and enjoying it so often. But looking back on it, it's not as good as I remember. So I'm hesitant to place it at the very top. Oh yeah, stay from that with no Pixar perfect. I don't think it's Pixar perfect, but I would say that it is second from that. I do think it's to the infinity and beyond category.
00:11:59
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Yeah, I would say that. The only thing that's leveraging that up for me personally, other than the nostalgia factor of course, is the fact that it was the kind of early years of Pixar. You know, it wasn't so much Toy Story. I wouldn't go as far to say it was that rough animation and things like that. It was still rough around the edges and some bits, but
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Yeah, it was so influential, so much so that they, of course, referenced it in Toy Story 2. Just in the bloopers at the end. Yeah, oh, yeah. Well, maybe they did in the background. There's probably a Pixar YouTuber out there who's like, about Universalists and The Incredibles where he steps on a bug. Well, there is that whole Pixar show universe kind of theory. Oh, God. Yeah, there is.
00:12:43
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I keep forgetting about that theory. I just imagine the board from my main tool just with all the red string across it. Anyway, sorry, for a bug's life, are we confident just to put it into infinity and beyond? Yeah, I think so. I think that's where I would like it to go unless, do you think it should go lower? Nah, I would say it's a relatively solid phone.
00:13:02
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Again, it's not perfect. I feel as if it has aged a little bit, but I wouldn't say it was meh. Like, if you saw it on TV, you wouldn't go, oh my God, I need to watch this. But at the same time, you wouldn't go, this is okay. So yeah, I'm happy to put it into Infinity and Beyond. The next film we've got, I don't know how you stand on this film, but I'm not a fan of this next one. But of course, being brave.
00:13:28
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It's a pretty movie. The Scottish iconography, I guess, and like this soundtrack is very pretty. I know my my partner was a big fan of parts of it because of that. Like she loved the Celtic Gaelic inspiration within the movie. And that song that plays at the very kind of beginning gorgeous, beautiful sets the scene of the movie really well and very interesting. This could be something really cool.
00:13:50
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does not give Pixar vibes necessarily. This is kind of one of the Pixar films where you could have believed it was a Disney Animation Studios film, because it's kind of like a princess story almost, and a princess story where there's a character that changes into an animal. That's very Disney Animation Studios. It's very not Pixar, in my opinion. So it's quite a surprising one. But the story is quite predictable. The whole Bear thing wasn't interesting. Brother Bear did it. Yeah.
00:14:17
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they did a Brother Bear. There's lots of annoying scenes when like really Scottish and things and I guess it's like maybe us coming from Scotland have a kind of an opinion on how poorly represented a lot of it was that it kind of just kind of felt like it was just fitting stereotypes. It's funny you should mention that about your partner because my partner also liked certain aspects of this film because of the Scottishness I suppose is the right word and I
00:14:41
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Again you're completely right, the music is great, the scenery is great, it looks very pretty this film. That being said, I feel as if this film's quite slow plodding at times, again you're right it's very predictable. Even though I just like Billy Cornley, I will say, ironically enough I got as featured, I'm like who would want to see that?
00:15:02
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Yeah, Billy Cordon, this fellow, who plays the father, can't remember the name off the top of my head. No, I usually get the main character's name wrong, so I definitely couldn't tell you the name of her father. He does a good job, you know, and Merida doesn't do the worst job. I will say that. She doesn't do the worst job, but some deliveries I'm just like,
00:15:21
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Oh god, Matt and their bagpipes are just like squeaking in defiance, but I would honestly put this as a lightning mequeen. Oh really? You're putting it that high? Oh, are we going for your dad watching streamworks? I think this film is really bad. The majority of these films, I'd rather watch the vast, vast majority of these films than watch Brave. I think Brave is so uninteresting that I would personally put it lower.
00:15:48
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I'm willing to concede Lightning McQueen. If you think it's sort of mid-tier strong enough, then I'm willing to concede Lightning McQueen. No, I was actually going to say I'm happy to drop it down to your dad to watch his streamworks. Now, I'm going to go with you for your dad to watch his streamworks. I mean, it's essentially Mulan meets Brother Bear, isn't it? Both those films do what this film is trying to do better.
00:16:08
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I can see what they were going for, but there's not really any scope for not that I would want like a brave two, braver. But this time it's braver. Brother brave. Anyway, I'm going to put it in. I'm going to do it. And it's done. Your dad watches DreamWorks. Wow. Our first truly negative one. Wow. Wow. And speaking of wow. Moving on.
00:16:32
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Yeah, cars. I actually, and memes aside, but I actually like that film. I find it very inoffensive. It's not a bad movie. It's not a particularly good movie. My partner does not enjoy it in the slightest. Really? Yeah, I actually re-watched it about a month or so ago with my partner. We were doing something else. I think we might even do like taxes or something. You were doing taxes to lighten them a quick
00:16:53
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Yeah, we wanted to put on something in the background that we wouldn't really pay attention to, but like just something easy. And so I was like, how about we put cars on? So she's like, all right, sure. So we put that on and she did not enjoy the movie. And I was like, actually, it's not that bad. I kind of like it, but yeah, it's not particularly memorable. So my kind of jumping into it, my kind of initial reaction is quite rightly Lightning McQueen.
00:17:14
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Yeah, I can get on board with that. Do you have anything more you want to add in regards to cars? Nah, it's like a modern day Thomas the Tank veteran, isn't it? But the cars and the thing that really messes me up about cars and that whole universe, because before we go on to the sequels, and I have to say I have less to say about them, but the thing that messes me up is how they try to make the cars universe into a parallel to our own world. So you've got like a car that's like
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Yeah, you've got like a Popemobile car that's sentient and alive, so that insinuates that Christianity is a thing in this world. Artificism. Yeah, exactly. But that's the thing though, that implies car Romans, that implies car Jesus, that implies
00:17:59
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car, Islam, because you can't have Christianity without Islam, they come from the same kind of branch. It's this whole rabbit hole and fortunately we don't have planes on this list because I would be going absolutely wild. There is actually a scene in planes where they actually focus on the Second World War. What?
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Is there a car Hitler or the car Nazis? Well, there's car kamikazes. This isn't even a meme. Oh, did they go there? I hope they don't do accents or anything like that. No, no. Well, no, they didn't have the literal kamikazes. They didn't look at them to speak, but there's literally in planes. Honestly, I've never watched planes. This is the only scene I've seen from planes.
00:18:40
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And it shocked me, because I went in a huge rant about this, but long story short, there's a scene where these American fighter planes are flying over the clouds and they dive too early, and the Japanese spot them and try to strip them out of the air. So this war veteran plane loses all his friends, and he survives and he's got PTSD from it. Oh my god. That insinuates that there's Gar-Fascist.
00:19:04
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was a car seg in World War? What were the Beatles like on the side of Germany? You know, where does it end? It's just a rabbit hole of war. Because say what you will about Thomas the Tank Engine or God forbid that talk show, you know the one where they put like faces on boats for some weird reason? Like at least for them, they're kind of self-contained. There's no humans in cars. Like this is its whole universe. So where does it end? To your listeners, where does it
00:19:31
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The reason why we're not discussing planes planes is not technically classified as the Pixar movie. It is a Disney standalone movie and not part of the Pixar property, which is just wild. I don't think there's anything else like that here where something was made by Pixar and then Disney created a spin off
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of it. You could have believed that maybe of like Monsters University, but no, no, Monsters University is also Pixar to our understanding. It's so weird that they were just like, I'm going to spin off something from this world and not keep it within the Pixar property. Maybe the shame was too great for them. I just, I don't know. I don't know. But speaking of shame, we've of course got cars two and three, which
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surprisingly followed Cars 1 but I don't know personally because I haven't really seen much of these films so my judgement for these is going to be transferred so well to you so no pressure. So Cars 2 is the only one that I have not seen of these movies.
00:20:28
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I'm going to have to put Cars 2 into Never Seen because I can't make a judgement. My understanding from the couple of clips I have seen, it would probably go in the bottom tier, but I have not seen it. So I'm going to put Never Seen. Cars 3 on the other hand, I watched a month ago, just not long after watching Cars 1, this time not doing taxes, this time just kind of chilling.
00:20:47
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The reason I was kind of motivated to watch it, and I was like, I'm not going to watch Cars 2, but I'm going to watch Cars 3, is when Cars 3 came out, the word around it was that this is actually a decent movie, even though it's a Cars movie. It's a good film. So I was like, all right, I'm going to check this out. I know the kind of garbage that takes place in Cars 2, so I don't really feel like I need to watch that, but I'll watch Cars 3. And it's a fun movie. It's a nice movie. I don't think it's better than the first one. I don't think it's as good even as the first one.
00:21:11
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But it's a well done movie. It's got a nice kind of story in it. Interesting take considering that the first Cars movie was him as a rookie. This kind of sets the place of him as like a senior car that is passing on the torch to the next generation of racers. And they have this whole kind of thing about like how electric vehicles are better, the optimization of the aerodynamics and all that kind of stuff. And like how he can't compete against them. And he has to go through an intensive training regime to kind of keep up.
00:21:38
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The events that kind of happen in parts of the movie kind of get a bit boring at times. That's kind of what makes it not as good or better than the first one, but it's an okay film. I would kind of sit it almost in between Lightning McQueen and Your Die Watches DreamWorks because it's a hard one to place. It feels mean to put it into Your Die Watches DreamWorks because it's not a bad movie, but yeah, I think that probably makes the most sense to me.
00:22:01
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So our next film on the list is Coco. Honestly, and this is where I get cancelled for my very controversial take here, it's not a bad film, it is emotional when you remember me, it's a great song. Personally for me, I thought it was okay.
00:22:19
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I feel as if Coco was coming off what Frozen was establishing and in case you wonder what the hell I'm talking about there, I'm talking about the idea of a, and spoiler warning, a twist villain. So you know how Disney for the longest time were doing like this twist villain thing? I would say that started before then. Toy Story 3 had a lot of hugging stuff, or his name is, that was like a twist villain. Incredibles to an extent had a twist villain. I don't know. Maybe it's just because it felt more
00:22:48
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prominent in that time period. Not that it's a bad thing, but for Coco, I don't feel as if it's as bad to put it in Lightning McQueen. Like it's definitely not all your dad watches Dreamworks, but I mean what are your thoughts on it? I think it's a wonderful movie.
00:23:04
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I think it's a really beautiful movie that deals with a topic that is not often dealt with in Western North American media. The topic of death is something that's discussed very much in Latin culture and other parts of the world, but not really something that would be talked about in a children's Disney or Pixar movie. So it is very interesting that we're kind of dealing with that and this kind of idea of legacy and being remembered through your loved ones.
00:23:28
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A lot of films on the Pixar list that people sort of say they cry over, the only one I think I can remember actually crying over is Coco. I don't think I cried to any of the other movies from what I can remember. But Coco did make me cry, like it produced such a strong emotional reaction from me. And it is very pretty, very interesting. The music is nice, different than what we've heard. So I don't think it's Pixar perfect. And there are many, many out there who would place it at Pixar perfect.
00:23:53
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I would personally put it in to infinity and beyond. Yeah I can get behind that. Granted it's been a while since I have watched this one and I remember when I first watched it, it's one of those films that I feel as if I would need to you know go back and kind of rewatch it and think alright this is what they were trying to do, that's what they were trying to do but I'm happy to put it in to infinity and beyond.
00:24:15
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It's definitely a different film, you're completely right, because it's depressing as it sounds like it's the film we'll get onto later, but they did try to re-tackle the themes of life and death through Soul, which don't get me wrong, the only thing that links them is their musical based, you know?
00:24:34
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But yeah, I'll put that in. So Coco is to infinity and beyond. But speaking of fashion chips, our next one is Finding Nemo. Hot take. I love Finding Nemo. Finding Nemo is a beautiful film. It was kind of one of those ones that when it came out, you were an absolute awe of the animation under the ocean. The story is interesting of like a father trying to track down his son that's been taken pretty much once by Liam Neeson, really. Oh yeah, of course. And you have such an interesting buddy cop, or rather not buddy cop, just an interesting buddy movie.
00:25:04
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in it with the very serious main character of Marlin and the kind of dopey amnesiac character of Dory and so having them both playing off each other works very well and you kind of sort of see the kind of the relationship between the two of them grow and it's like friendship grow in his kind of tolerance of her and you're rooting for her when she starts to remember little bits of information. You have great side character moments with the sharks
00:25:28
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such as Bruce and the two little ones that kind of come in. They're like such a fun, scary scene. I remember being very sort of frightened of it when I was younger and watched it, but absolutely wonderful. And then the fish in the fish tank that Nemo was in. Yeah, I have very fond memories of this film and I can happily watch it today. It's very good. So I think this is as close to Pixar perfect as we've discussed so far. And I would personally put it there. What are your thoughts?
00:25:51
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I personally wouldn't go as far to say Pixar Perfect, which makes me sound like an utter screwed year. I remember when I was younger not liking this film as much. Maybe it was just because I wasn't old enough or mature enough to appreciate the struggles I suppose that Marlin has to go through. Because at the end of the day, the story of Finding Nemo is incredibly dark. It's about a fish that finds the love of his life, they have
00:26:21
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hundreds of kids together or rather they're about to and then all of a sudden this horrible horrible, I think Barracuda, I can't remember, this horrible fish comes along and basically kills his wife and everything and he's left with this one son that he has to constantly be reminded with because his son has like a deformed fin because of the incident. Incident, yes. The conflict as it were with this horrible fish
00:26:49
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So once he loses him, he realises that, oh my god, this is the only thing I have left of my former life with Coro, his wife. I definitely didn't look that up. But yeah, throughout that kind of journey, there's obviously the comedic aspects and everything.
00:27:06
Speaker
There's some moments that kind of plod along a bit too much I would say. I know the sea turtles are really popular. Personally I found them a bit like they kind of dragged on and I know that's sacrilege to say. I know sacrilege to say. They're amazing. They're actually only in it for like 5-10 minutes of the film. They're not in it for very long. It feels like longer to be fair.
00:27:26
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Last time I watched it, I was like, oh God, get to Australia. Does a sea turtle steal your chips or something? You don't know what I've been through, Andrew, okay? Sounds you purposely throw straws into the ocean just to fuck them.
00:27:39
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Yeah, well it doesn't work now that they're all paper. They just laugh at me now. Yeah, it's like you know the old cowboy films where they just chew it and spit it out as like human mother. Anyway, my event data aside. You know what? I'll give it to you. I'll give it to you if her pics are perfect. I wouldn't say Finding Nemo is one of my favourites, but you know what? It does have a lot of really interesting
00:28:01
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themes. It has a lot of really nice heartwarming moments, like especially with the end where they find Nemo and they think she's dead. But spoilers, she's not. But we pop it in Pixar Perfect. Yeah, I think so. If you're very strongly against it, if you think it's like a Lightning McQueen, then we can put it in Infinity and Beyond. No, no, I wouldn't say it was Lightning McQueen.
00:28:21
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Queen, but I'd say it was probably just Pixar perfect, just goes over. But for Finding Dory, and this is going to be the twist, I have never seen Finding Dory. That is fair. I have. I saw it at the cinema and I have not seen it again since. I was not particularly impressed by it. It was okay. There was elements of a new story to it, but it also kind of felt like a little bit of a rehash. And so I don't remember much of it as a result of only having seen it once and not leaving much of an impression on me. How ironic.
00:28:50
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Yeah, exactly. And there's some very cute scenes, like little baby Dory is like super duper cute, like aww, little baby Dory. But it's not enough to make the movie good enough for me to put it any higher than Lightning McQueen, I think. I don't think it's as bad as your dad watches Dreamworks, but I do think it's a pretty nothing film. I kind of wish hadn't been made. From what I've heard of Finding Dory, and again, like I have no judgement over the film, but
00:29:16
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Yeah, I didn't hear great things. I just heard, oh, it's a sequel to Finding Nemo. You know, like a sequel that nobody really asked for. I don't remember anyone saying, we want more Nemo. We want more Nemo. I don't remember to you. No, no, not since 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea has anyone called for more Nemo. Look, all I'm saying is Joel Verne's like messed up an entire generation of Pixar fans, thanks to that bit.
00:29:42
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I was trying to pull that name up out of the back of my head and I was like, I'm just going to have to say the book. And speaking of trying not to remember things, The Good
The Incredibles: Pixar Perfect?
00:29:52
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Dinosaur. Speaking of literature, great. Yeah, I'm going to go straight for the Dracula here. Your dad watches DreamWorks for The Good Dinosaur. There is nothing memorable or good about this film I can remember.
00:30:04
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I think this is the worst film that Pixar has ever brought out. I don't remember if it was you and I having this discussion about it, but what's so interesting about The Good Dinosaur is they were trying to get that film made for so many years. It was put on the back burner so many times, so many rewrites, so many changes in the animation and the story that they were going to tell. I think that was stuck in development hell for around 10 years, if I'm remembering correctly. It was a really, really long time.
00:30:31
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And then it came out and it was just so bad. It was a huge flop financially for them. And it was just probably the most boring, uneventful Pixar movie I've ever seen. And I've seen it onwards.
00:30:45
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will get on to Onward. Believe you me, we'll get on to that train wreck. But I actually remember it was either in Hulkman A or New Year's Day or one of these bank holidays it was on in the background. And all I remember was, I'm sure it was my brother or someone just looking at the TV going, what the hell is this? And I'm looking at it going, I have no idea. So yeah, your dad watched his roomworks,
00:31:08
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Moving on to quite possibly the opposite, we have the Incredibles, which personally I'm gonna say picks are perfect. Before the boys, before my hero academia, you had the Incredibles that told a story about superheroes living amongst us and it did it in such a good way, you know, it wasn't
00:31:28
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too fantastical, like obviously superpowers are fantastical but it did feel very relatable down to earth, there were some real human struggles that were on display there, so personally for me I would say the first one picks are perfect.
00:31:43
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I absolutely agree. I would also put it in Pixar Perfect. It's probably my favourite Pixar movie. I adore this and it's kind of just going for another kind of synonym of what you were saying. It's a very grounded movie you hadn't really seen. What's so interesting is that you're seeing aspects into these lives that not only had you not seen really in superhero films or media before, except for maybe some comics.
00:32:07
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But just generally an animated film, like which other animated films have you seen someone kind of working a nine to five job and dealing with a boss who's a bit of an asshole and then dealing with the kind of the process of being fired and talking about tax documents and which, which form is designed and still making it all very interesting. Brad Bird and how he directed this film in this kind of odd 19th
00:32:30
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1950s idyllic kind of setting. 1950s futuristic, I think it's called like retro futurism, is so interesting. The animation now is a little bit rough, but I think it does still work. It isn't Toy Story 1 levels of like, ugh, kind of thing. It's still very good.
00:32:48
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The face only an animator could love. I know exactly what you mean. So, Incredibles has such a fun storyline. The comedic moments like hit so well. What's interesting is I've heard Fantastic Four was not very well represented at this time and in the following years as well.
00:33:06
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Incredibles is the best Fantastic Four movie that's come out and it's the best like family superhero movie. It's one of the best superhero movies in general. And which is so remarkably, it came out during a period when you had, I think the first maybe second as well, Spider-Man movie. You had the first, I don't think yet second X-Men movie, maybe second one had just come out.
00:33:27
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And you had a series of other not very good superhero movies. And this came out and blew them all away. It's better than the X-Men movies. It's better than the Spider-Man movies, just any of them in general. We had a Spider-Man month and I would happily put the Incredibles above any of those films. I think it's probably one of my favorite movies. It is so, so good. And I would rewatch it twice a year if I could. I mean, I can, I just don't. Who's got the time? We've got a podcast to run. Come on then.
00:33:53
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but speaking of false from grace I suppose is the right term here. The first one is very, again, we listed off a whole bunch of reasons why you should go watch this film and there was like such a heart to the first film. I don't know what the hell happened with the second one. If I'm being generous I would put it at lightning mequine but I don't know, I'm on the verge of sticking it to your dad watches Dreamworks because this film came out at
00:34:21
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huge couple of years after the first one, and it was hyped all the adults who grew up with it were like, oh, I'm gonna go watch it, I'm gonna push the kids out of the way to see it. And then when it came out everyone was like, wow, that sucked. Yeah, what are your thoughts?
00:34:36
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I disagree with you. I really like this movie. I have a bit of nostalgia for the Incredibles given that I just talked about having loved the first one so much. And so there's certainly likely an element of that in play, but I thought the stuff they did with Jack Jack was very funny. I thought that was really well done.
00:34:53
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I do think the story itself was a little bit weak, but I don't think it's any worse than a lot of the other storylines that we've seen in other Pixar movies. So I don't think it's particularly bad. I think it suffers from its very successful other film. And so you're always going to compare it to that. And so by those standards, it seems like a not very good film, but I do think it has its merit
00:35:14
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more so than many of those that are in Lightning McQueen. It's certainly much better, in my opinion, than any of the Yorda Watch's Dreamworks films. So I would be tempted to go Infinity and Beyond, but given your disdain for it, I would settle for Lightning McQueen. You make a good point.
00:35:29
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about it's not as bad as your dad watches DreamWorks. Okay, I'll give you that. I think he hit the nail on the head with that one though, that because it's tried to follow the first film, that that's the biggest struggle slash hurdle. I don't know what it was about this film that robbed me the wrong way. I feel as if it was maybe because it felt almost unnecessary.
00:35:52
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city. You're completely right, it does have its merits, it does have its redeeming qualities, but it just kind of feels like a there film. It's like it exists, and that's it. It's kind of a, I wouldn't say it's a nothing film, but it's not a film that I remember being like, oh I would go and watch that over and over again, like the first one, or some of the other ones.
00:36:14
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I would certainly agree that it doesn't have the same rewatchability factor. I don't think it's a bad movie though. It's an okay film. I know I just spent about five minutes complaining about it there, but yeah, I would say it was an okay film. It's not bad, it's not great, but are you happy with putting that in Lightning McQueen? I mean, I'm not happy about it. I will certainly settle for Lightning McQueen.
00:36:34
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Well, if anybody comes at us saying how do you put it in there, send all your hate mail to Adam. I think you'll probably be in the consensus will be the mid tier. I don't think it was, it wasn't a particularly popular film as far as I remember. So I think where we put it is probably where the audience consensus will be. But I personally think it's a better film than it's given. Chats and hammy come for the room temperature takes.
00:36:59
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Mm, mild, just as I like it. Mm, tepid.
Inside Out: Handling Emotions
00:37:03
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So our next film is Inside Out, and would you believe this? You're gonna be shocked at this. I have actually not sat down and watched this film. Oh really, okay. Yeah, surprisingly. I've seen clips from it. I know there's like a sad scene involving a pink elephant. Bing bong, I think he's called. Yeah, but other than that, I've not got a strong opinion on this film. Again, I'm defaulting it onto you.
00:37:29
Speaker
Okay, I was kind of expecting a bit of a back and forth about this one. I think it's a lovely movie. I do not think it's as good as some have put it at. I feel like it's kind of on a bit of a pedestal in the last five or six years. But I do think it deals with topics that, a bit like with Coco, deals with topics you hadn't really seen much of before, kind of ideas of depression. There are some good comedic moments in it. It's very beautiful with colors. The movie, the animation is very good.
00:37:54
Speaker
The story is alright, nothing too interesting there, but there's some good heartfelt scenes. I do think it is a lovely movie though, and I would personally put it at the To Infinity and Beyond. I've only ever seen it once though, so I think if I went back and analysed it a bit more, I might have a bit more to say on it. I think it's a beautiful film and I would personally put it at To Infinity and Beyond.
00:38:14
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Our next one. Can I take off the kid clothes for this one? Would this be for lightyear? Yep, this was for lightyear. Go ahead. This is very much a forgive me sensei but I must go all out moment. I was thoroughly disappointed in this one.
00:38:29
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know that way where it's got so many bad moments where you're just like, I'm not angry at this point, like, yeah, I'm just disappointed. I'm just so disappointed. And the reason is because this film looks beautiful. Like, this film looks absolutely incredible. And the whole sci-fi story and everything is really cool. And I like
00:38:52
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some of the ideas in it, you know, I like some of the characters. I like the first half of the film, that's all I'll say, I like the first half. I hate the bit in the beginning, see when it says, this is the film that Andy watched crowing up. It inspired him to get a Buzz Lightyear.
00:39:07
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I think they kind of needed to explain what the film was. It was kind of confusing and I think initially they weren't going to have that in it and people were very confused as to like who this Buzz Lightyear is, why isn't he the one from Toy Story that we know, like why is this one different. So I can kind of get why they added that a little bit at the start. I feel like they probably could have done it in a less clumsy way. Maybe had like Andy going to the cinema or something to watch it.
00:39:30
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The one thing that I feel was that it drags this film down completely is the fact that we already have a Buzz Lightyear film and TV series. Do you remember this? Buzz Lightyear's document. That's the one. It was cheesy. I loved that. It was, oh, we need to do an episode on that 100%. It was cheesy. It was over the top. It was the
00:39:50
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perfect 1950s sci-fi where just everything is so over the top and always amazing. But that's the thing about Buzz Lightyear, he's like a normal dude in chunky armour, he's like one shoulder pad away from the 40k universe. That aside, yeah, you don't expect hellodrama and all of this from a Buzz Lightyear. I don't know, this is my main problem, I don't know who this film was for because you've got some really comedic moments, you've got some horribly dark
00:40:20
Speaker
moments, it doesn't mesh well together. And although, as I said, the film looks great, I just didn't like it that much. Is it Taika with Titi who's one of the characters? Hated him. Hated him. 100%. I just want to throw that in before we get to your point. I hated his character. Could not stand him. For him alone, I would drag the film to your dad. Watch his dreamworks. Before we drag it down, is there any saving traces for yourself? What did you think of this song?
00:40:47
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I didn't think it was that bad. I'm just gonna like quickly kind of go over what we were talking about with the different properties from Toy Story. So to my understanding, so there's this Toy Story, and then Andy went to go and watch this movie, go watch Lightyear, then loved it. There was a toy line based on this movie. So Andy got that toy. The toy line was very successful. And they then based a cartoon series on the toy and the story surrounding the toy, which was Buzz Lightyear of Star Command.
00:41:16
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That is my understanding of that universe. But then why would they make a feature film and then the film of the cartoon at the same time? No, it was different times. Oh, okay. This is the alternate universal toy story. Andy saw this film. The toy line came out inspired by this film. The toys are very popular. They brought out a cartoon series based on the toys and the kind of story surrounding the toys. And then I guess another movie based on that TV series.
00:41:43
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probably. It's like the fate stay night, fate zero universe. I'm gonna have to get another pinboard. All the strings connecting things. Now getting into the movie itself, I kind of forgot about the Taika Waititi character and you're right, he was kind of annoying, I have to say, but I don't think it was a bad movie. I think it was all right. I watched it by myself. My partner was away at some other like work thing or like a bachelorette party or something like that. And so I was just like trying to entertain myself. So I was like, all right, I'll watch this.
00:42:09
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It wasn't great, but like I went in with pretty low expectations. It was okay. I would say it's on par with Cars 3, in my opinion, roughly around finding Dory in its impression it left on me. But given your, if I use the word vitriol yet in this episode. No, yeah. Given your vitriol towards this film, I would happily concede, or rather, not happily, I would concede to putting it into your doubt, which is Dreamworks.
00:42:34
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feel as if this probably deserves your dad watches Dreamworks, but just, it's no good dinosaur level.
00:42:51
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See, I don't think so because I think within each tier, there's almost like a level. Within Lightning McQueen, there's movies in that that I would sort of rank above each other. Like the first Cars is better than the third Cars. Incredibles 2 is better than Cars 3 and Finding Dora. Yeah. So like, I think there are levels to each tier. Stay tuned for our tier list within a tier list.
00:43:12
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So yeah, we can put it in your dad which is Dreamworks and it can just be on the upper end of your dad which is Dreamworks. The only other thing, I'm just looking at the picture that they've used and it's him holding the emotional support cat. I liked the emotional support cat. See I liked it as well, but the only thing that kept going through the back of my mind with that was
00:43:30
Speaker
Oh yeah, this is gonna be like a toy for Christmas, isn't it? It felt as if it was obviously geared directly for that, but you know, he actually redeemed himself. Like, I would rather watch a whole film with just Lightyear and the emotional support cat, rather than the Taika with TT ensemble. Didn't like any of those characters. Maybe the granddaughter character was all right. She was fine. She was your stereotypical kooky kata. Oh, I'm gonna live up to the reputation of
00:43:59
Speaker
my gran and everything, which that's completely serviceable, but the rest of them now. One thing I will call shenanigans on within that movie is if this film came out first, there would have been plushes and merchandise of that cat within the Toy Story universe that we never saw. So that is the one thing. Clearly, given how popular Lightyear was and how popular the toy line of Buzz Lightyear was, it would have also produced this cat everywhere. Like, why didn't Andy have this cat?
00:44:24
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I've got no argument for that, absolutely. Maybe it's because Andy's mum works three jobs so she could only afford to buzz lightyear. Yeah, maybe because they had that dog, they were like, we can't get the cat toy because the dog will destroy it. Well, speaking of dogs, I was saying this to you before we started recording, but when I was watching this, I was watching it with my partner and of course our puppy and
00:44:45
Speaker
whenever the cat came on screen she would actually dive up to the TV and start trying to use her paws to hit the cat away and I was like please don't. It's like please don't ruin my TV little pup, please don't. At least it's very adorable. Yeah it was cute, I've got videos and everything, I'll need to send you after. Patreon exclusive. Yeah exactly.
00:45:06
Speaker
You had to pay for that kind of content. Oh, of course.
Mixed Reviews on Recent Pixar Films
00:45:09
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But moving on to the next problem, Luca. Before we start and talk about this, did you hear about the McDonald's toy? No, what happened to the McDonald's toy?
00:45:22
Speaker
So you know the whole premise of Lucca is essentially whenever they go into the water they turn into sea people and their skin turns like blue and everything. So they had a toy that if you splashed water on it then the skin would turn blue but of course putting a human child shaped
00:45:41
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toy underwater and them turning blue doesn't make them exactly look like a mare person. It makes it essentially look like a drowning child that they were packaging with a happy meal. The reason I'm laughing is it's just the most baffling decision I think I have ever seen for a happy meal. Like who signed off on it and said, yeah, this is what we want in a happy meal. He's drowning. He's running out of air.
00:46:09
Speaker
The sonic drowning music starts playing. That's exactly what it is. But as I look up to fact check, yeah, what did you think of the song? It was okay. I saw it pretty soon after it coming out. We watched it on Disney+. I enjoyed it. There's a whole kind of allegory for him being gay, I think was what they were kind of going for.
00:46:29
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which was an interesting kind of bold decision on their part. Fair play to them. I mean, they weren't, it may have been nice if they'd gone a little bit further and actually had them represent that, but like they obviously couldn't because they had to, uh, these other demographics that wouldn't have approved that, but it was cute. The animation was interesting. It's very kind of different style of Pixar animation than what we've seen. I didn't find that really left much of an impression of me. And I felt like there were a lot of story lines that weren't fully explored that could have been. So I would put it at Lightning McQueen.
00:46:59
Speaker
personally but I'm interested to hear your take on the film. Yeah this is another film that's okay. It's not amazing because again this was another film that my partner and I watched and we thought it was okay. I wouldn't say it's an offensive film, it's not as bad as like The Good Dinosaur or anything, I wouldn't have any major vitriol towards it. It's just a nice film and it's got a nice ending, I will say. I do like the ending to this film. The ending is very cute, I did enjoy that. Again it's not Pixar perfect,
00:47:28
Speaker
Maybe Lightning McQueen, but not because it's a bad film, you know? It's very safe. Would you put it up to infinity and beyond? I wouldn't personally put it as high as that myself, but if you think it's good enough to, I wouldn't complain about it going to infinity and beyond. I just personally think it's pretty meh.
00:47:48
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Yeah, no, I'd agree with you. I'd go for light in the green then. It's an okay film. It's not the worst. It's not bad. It's not offensive. It's got some lovely moments. It's there. It's Luca. It's just Luca.
00:48:04
Speaker
Speaking of scaring children, the next one is of course Monsters Inc. Impressive segue. Yes, exactly. Thank you. Thank you. I'm taking the bow personally. I would put it up at Pixar Perfect, but before I go into my reasoning there, how do you feel about this one? I love Monsters Inc.
00:48:20
Speaker
I don't know that I personally would put it Pixar perfect. I would kind of put it in the same kind of tier as like A Bug's Life and Infinity and Beyond personally, but I think it's one of those ones in between. I don't think it's quite perfect for me, but it is such a memorable movie. It is very fun movie. There's some great kind of lines in it, which is very quotable, but I don't know. I don't think it's at the same level for me as an Incredibles or a Finding Nemo. If you can persuade me, I could put it in Pixar perfect.
00:48:45
Speaker
Would you be persuaded if I told you this was one of the first Pixar films that I actually cried at in the cinema? Not out of fear, mind you. I was gonna say, well you must have only been about five. Yeah, well that too, but it was, you know the scene towards the end where he lets her go back and everything and then at the very end Mike builds the door for him again and then lets him see who again and everything and I thought that was just a sweet moment.
00:49:12
Speaker
Again, the reason I would say it's Pixar perfect is because of the memorability of this film with all the jokes, like Mike getting his face covered all the time whenever he's on TV and things. That is just absolutely hilarious. The absolute creativity with the monster designs and how they integrate into the world.
00:49:33
Speaker
the whole idea of the boogeyman in the closet being like a multi, well not million dollar, but million square or million screams industry. It's really funny to me. I think that is an absolutely fantastic idea. Again, I think in the memorable characters, you've got Randall, you've got Roz, you've got The Proteome Inions,
00:49:55
Speaker
that come in and say we've got our 2319. You've got the abominable Snowman, you've just got so many memorable characters and to me I watched this song quite a lot when I was younger. I'm saying that picks are perfect, there's obviously one or two maybe minor things I would pick apart with it but if I'm going in a general sense I would personally say picks are perfect.
00:50:15
Speaker
That's fair. I wouldn't grudge putting it up in a Pixar perfect. It is just not my personal opinion that it is Pixar perfect. I do really like this film. I think that the put that back where you got it from or so help me kind of little song that Mike Wazowski sings is very funny. I say that myself in day to day life and the covering up with a sticker kind of thing. It's kind of been called being Mike Wazowski like in real life. So I think it's got that real world impact that a lot of other films don't have. I don't know. I feel as if this is definitely one of the more memorable ones.
00:50:44
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out the whole catalogue, because I was saying to you there were some things, although finding Nemo as Pixar Perfect, there were like one or two moments where they were looking it up, I was like oh that happened, oh yeah of course and that happened and this happened, whereas for monsters like maybe because I've just watched it so many times but I can remember that film like the back of my hand, so would you be okay for this one? This is, don't worry, this is the only one I'll be fighting for. No, I mean you fight for whichever one, I'm happy to have the debate. It's a wonderful film, I'm perfectly fine that's gonna Pixar Perfect.
00:51:13
Speaker
However, that kind of leads us on to the next film, which I will be a bit more scathing of, personally. I don't know what your thoughts are on it, but the next film is the sequel or rather prequel to Monsters, Inc., Monsters University, which kind of takes them back to their university days, learning how to be good scarers and where they meet for the first time. What were your impressions of this film?
00:51:33
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I have a very weird relationship with this film. On the one hand, I don't think it's as good as the first one. Like I 110% agree. And the whole American college campus, again, as you can tell by our accents, we are not American. So even though I run that quite a few and I went to university together, we didn't have that same experience.
00:51:56
Speaker
Yeah, it's not particularly reliable for us. Yeah, which is kind of off-putting to begin with. Some of the characters are a bit annoying. You know, obviously Sully's a lot more arrogant. Mike is more, pardon the pun, wide-eyed. I'm curious. The only thing that endears me to this film is when I saw this film
00:52:16
Speaker
without going into too much details, but after I went to university with yourself I spent another year studying something that I thought I was going to be not destined for, that's a bit dramatic, but it's how I thought my life was going to turn out. I thought that this was what I was going to do later in life and long story short it all fell
00:52:35
Speaker
through. I got very upset and very downtrodden about it. It was a really rough period for myself and in some ways it sounds really weird to say that I've waited to make Wazowski but I kind of did. I wasn't as aspirational as he was in the film but I could relate to him trying his hardest at something while a lot of people around him said you're never going to get into this, you're wasting your time. I can
00:53:01
Speaker
empathize with and obviously you don't have to go through that experience to empathize with the character but for me it was that kind of special oh wow it really cut deep for me but again with all the Americanisms and everything and some of the character choices again this film actually looks beautiful see when you go to the maybe not so much in the monster world but see when you go to the human world my god the rendering and everything is absolutely stunning but
00:53:30
Speaker
Yeah, beyond that, I'm tossing that between to infinity and beyond and like the McQueen personally, but it's time for you, Andrew, to unleash your vitriol. I wouldn't say vitriol. It didn't really have an impact on me. I didn't find it to be a particularly entertaining movie. It didn't really engage me. I wasn't fully paying attention a lot of it because it
00:53:50
Speaker
wasn't really enjoying it. And so I would be closer to going between Lightning McQueen and your die-watches Dreamworks. So taking the kind of average of our opinions, I think it probably fits into the Lightning McQueen, which has interestingly kind of become a bit of a sequel bin. Other than Luca and the first Cars, all the other ones are sequels or prequels. Which will be interesting to see once we get to the Toy Stories. Oh, speaking of scathing though, something we brought up earlier, Onward. Oh boy, do you want to kick it off?
00:54:19
Speaker
I was very mixed when in the buildup to this film. Initially when it was announced, I was like, Oh, the hell's this? I'm not really interested. And then like, as I started seeing some content for it, I kind of got a bit more interested and I was like, yeah, I want to check this out. And the pandemic had just started or was about to start. I can't remember. And so there wasn't really a lot on, and this came out on Disney Plus very soon after its theatrical debut. It seemed to have very little confidence in it slash I think the pandemic started closing theaters. So they very quickly just kind of threw it onto Disney Plus.
00:54:49
Speaker
And it wasn't bad, I didn't dislike the movie, but there were large sections of it where I was a bit bored and I was kind of like, how much longer this left? Like, when are we gonna get to this scene? And there's elements of it, which is sort of nice at this kind of brotherly relationship and having this kind of surrogate father figure in your older brother and that you're kind of relying on. That was nice. And there was some fun kind of comedic type sections, but it wasn't for me. I didn't think it really left much of an impact.
00:55:16
Speaker
So it would be between Queen and your Dowager Dreamworks and I think I'm leaning more towards your Dowager Dreamworks and I think you're probably gonna be in the same category. Yeah, I'm gonna agree with you on that. Again, it's not good dinosaur level, but for a world that was meant to be all about fantasy and everything,
00:55:34
Speaker
time really feel fantastical at times. And then all of a sudden, I mean it's been a while since I watched it, but all I remember is they summon their dad's crotch on legs, they spin the whole movie, eating said crotch towards the goal, and then all of a sudden like a demon dragon or some like world ending threat comes out of nowhere and it turns into like a completely different film.
00:55:56
Speaker
Oh yeah. I forgot about the ending to that film. It was really weird, wasn't it? It just came out of nowhere. I mean, maybe there is a build-up or explanation I am completely missing, but yeah, I really didn't enjoy it. Again, if you enjoy it, listeners, please don't feel bad or anything. It's okay. We're here for you. We forgive you. It's not your fault. I know. Don't do this to me. Don't show me onward.
00:56:22
Speaker
Yeah, I would say, onward, yer dah, watcher's room works. Which brings us on to Ratatouille, which would you believe is the final film that I was telling you about that I haven't seen? I did suspect that, that was going to be one of my guesses. I was told earlier by Satsanami that there were five of these films that he had not seen that some of those would surprise me. My immediate reaction was he's probably not seen Ratatouille. I think you're doing yourself a disservice because you would love this film
00:56:47
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It is a lovely film that I actually watched again just a few weeks ago, not long ago at all. It's a very nice film. There's such fun kind of elements of the description of eating different flavors of food and how the food sings to you and how like when you combine one food with a different food and it creates an entirely different kind of music in your taste buds, in your mind.
00:57:07
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This kind of very cute story of a very unlikely little chef wanting to do something in a world that would not accept him and doing it through this skinny Italian boy who, well maybe Italian, I don't know. His name is Linguini so it's just pretty Italian but everyone else is French and he has like an American accent so I don't know what's going on there. Everyone is French and he's not and the rats aren't. The rats are all American because, you know.
00:57:29
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It's very cute, the whole like controlling him with his hair thing. It's such a weird, weird concept that like has been joked about and parodied a million times, including in the recent Oscar winner, Everything Everywhere All At Once. They did a very weird parody of Ratatouille with a raccoon.
00:57:45
Speaker
This film is very, very fun. It's very interesting. It's very unique. I remember going to the cinema to go see it. I would not put it Pixar perfect, but I would put it at To Infinity and Beyond. And I feel almost guilty because then two of the films in To Infinity and Beyond would be films you haven't even seen.
00:58:16
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like there's some bits that it definitely dragged on where they switch bodies and things, especially with the spirit world as it were. They were like sandy kind of desert world. Yeah and they've been able to come in and out to it randomly and the guy's voice by Graham Norton which was really baffling I have to say. Which guy is? You know the sandwich board spinner. Oh I don't remember that well enough.
00:58:27
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but I do recommend that you check this out.
00:58:42
Speaker
So you know the guy that gets him into the spirit world again to zen himself in? Sure. Yeah, that's the guy. Oh yeah yeah yeah, I think I remember that scene now. Okay, I didn't know that was Graham Norton, that's funny. I know, it was so weird because when you're listening to it I was like, that's an awful lot like Graham Norton though, is it? Oh my gosh, who knows? He plays a character called Moonwind, apparently. I just had to double check the name.
00:59:04
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I'd say either just the toon from the toon beyond or Lightning McQueen. I did not enjoy this movie and so a bit like what we were saying with Monsters University, I would be putting it on lower end of Lightning McQueen or upper end of Your Die Watches DreamWorks.
00:59:22
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So I think this might be another one where we kind of have to settle for Lightning McQueen in between, because I didn't enjoy Soul. I felt it was time wasted for my day. I like the ideas of it, but there is just a lot that really drags in this film. It's like they spend so long in the afterlife, then they spend so long doing this whole body swap thing that's like, oh no, he's a cat, and she's in his body, and it's like,
00:59:48
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What is that? I don't know. There's also the whole thing which has become like running joke of African-American characters being turned into other things. Like this guy is a black man for about five minutes or 10 minutes into the movie. Maybe not even quite as long as 10 minutes.
01:00:04
Speaker
and then he dies and he goes into a spirit body. And so this Princess and the Frog spies in disguise. There's so many films that star people of colour that then involve those people of colour being an animal or an embodiment of something else. They don't stay in their actual bodies for much of the film. It's such a weird trend.
01:00:34
Speaker
It's still pretty weird. Yeah, it's happened twice, yeah. Yeah, it's the Doofenshmirtz thing. Yeah, that's the one, yeah. It's half a little bit of Lightning McQueen, but speaking of one that definitely isn't Toy Story, we're onto the Toy Stories now, we're onto the homestretch.
01:00:50
Speaker
Now the first one I don't know, and this might be controversial, I don't know if I would put in Pixar Perfect. It's not controversial to me, I also would not put in Pixar Perfect. I would maybe put it in To infinity and beyond. The reason being that obviously it was like the first feature-length film that they did with
01:01:11
Speaker
CGI. But at the same time, this is a rough looking film. Looking back on it, it is ugly at times. That spider baby head that gave me nightmares. Oh it gave me such nightmares. Oh it was horrible. And the thing is, I showed this to my partner, we watched all of the films
01:01:32
Speaker
because she hadn't seen them so I was like okay we're gonna watch all four of the Toy Story films and I know they're obviously growing and everything and this is the first film but Woody is a completely different character than the first film. He is arrogant, he is basically an ass. To put it nicely he's a bit of an ass towards everyone.
01:01:52
Speaker
So interestingly enough, the villain of Toy Story 1 was going to be Woody and that there was not going to be like a deal turn for his character at all. They did a test screening. I think I remember this correctly. They did a test screening and the audience really didn't like that. They didn't like that Woody was just the bad guy throughout. And so they had to rewrite and rewrote him as having this turn where he became likable again.
01:02:17
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And so I think you're kind of left with a bit of a disjointed movie where he seems so different from the first one to the rest of the franchise because they had this kind of image of him that then they had to then change and then kind of work with that going forward. Obviously like the Woody we see at the end of Toy Story is kind of the Woody we see for the rest of the Toy Story films.
01:02:36
Speaker
I suppose that makes sense if this obviously took off as a franchise, which it did. And yeah, having one of the main characters be antagonistic throughout, like not redeem himself would probably be detrimental. I mean, personally, I would put this at 2, infinity and beyond. I don't know how you feel about that.
01:02:57
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Yeah, it's not as bad as, I would say, a Lightning McQueen. I think it's building that. I would put it to infinity beyond. Speaking of that, of course, we are now onto the sequel, Toy Story 2. I'm curious to hear though, what do you think of this one in comparison?
01:03:12
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a little bit for what I'm going to say about 3 and 4. This is my favourite of all of them. I really love Toy Story 2. I think it's because I have more of a nostalgia towards it. I watched it a lot growing up. I didn't really watch Toy Story 1 very much because it scared me, but I would watch the VHS of Toy Story 2 to the point where I think the tape is probably dead from rewinding. I thought that the clips were very funny. Characters were much more likeable than the first one and were very interesting. The Jesse character
01:03:41
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was a decent introduction and whilst an older me watching that might have found her annoying and would have been a bit cynical about her character, as a kid I liked her and I liked her horse and her sad story about being left behind gave me and the whole generation of kids an issue with hoarding.
01:04:01
Speaker
I don't want to play with you anymore. Yeah. I think that gave me some sort of like complex, to be honest, like not with toys. I think that like screwed up my mind just in general. That's an entirely different podcast where I speak to a therapist. Would you say this was probably Pixar perfect? Yes. I think this is, and I'm going to make it kind of, again, kind of spoiling what I'm going to say, but I think this is the only toy story that I would put in Pixar perfect.
01:04:24
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controversial. Yeah, I would probably agree with Toy Story 2 being Pixar perfect. I feel like there's some moments again, you know, it's more nitpicking than some moments, but again, like Monster's Inc and The Incredibles, it's very memorable. You remember Al's Toy Barn, you remember the introduction to Evil Emperor Zurg, which of course was featured in Star Command. Really, we need to do an episode on that, but we'll do it after next month.
01:04:54
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Star Command month. You've got the sequence when they're in the toy store, you've got the first introduction to the Barbies, which is just such a fascinating piece of trivia that they wouldn't let them use Barbies in the first film because they didn't know how… They'd be represented. Yeah, exactly. And of course, after they saw how successful the first film was, they said, oh, yeah, great.
01:05:16
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So yeah, no, I'd agree with that. I would say it's definitely Pixar perfect. But to throw a spanner into the works on the next film, I would also say Toy Story 3 is Pixar perfect. And the reason for that, I know we're going to get into fisticuffs over this on that.
01:05:33
Speaker
But the only reason I would say that is I think that it does a good job of tying a neat little bow, a little bow peep, around the whole trilogy. You know, it talks about the idea of Andy growing up, Andy moving on with his life, how you can't always stay in the past, you can't always be a man-child playing with your toys everywhere. And you know, it's kind of that reluctance for Woody and Co to, you know, accept that to be able to say, oh yeah,
01:06:03
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we're gonna be like this forever, which in Toy Story 1 and 2, that's exactly what they said. They said, oh, be with Andy forever and ever, and then you'll like the Simpsons reference, oh hey man, we're gonna be relevant forever, ever, ever. And then it fades out, and of course they're like falling apart at the literal seams, and they're just put into this horrible situation where they have to deal with themes of abandonment. There's that horrible scene near the end where they all get
01:06:30
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incinerated and after that you knew they weren't going to get incinerated obviously. I for one was shocked. And or appalled I know, but you knew they were going to get saved and I did like the twist that it was the little green men that actually got them out with the claw, I thought that was excellent. And I do love the end where he gives the toys to Bonnie, the neighbour friend,
01:06:54
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whatever she was and there is just that nice closure moment where they're just like so long partner and everything and I feel as if this was the perfect finale which is going to lead very nicely onto my thoughts about the fourth one but before we get into that, what are your thoughts on it? I do think it's a good movie.
01:07:11
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I think there are some very well composed elements to it, and I do think that it did serve to conclude the trilogy that is undone by making a fourth one, though I'll get onto my thoughts on the fourth one later, which might surprise you. I think I hold a bitterness towards this movie because of it winning the Oscar the year that I wanted a different movie to win the Oscar. Would that be a particular Dreamworks film? It would be a particular Dreamworks film.
01:07:37
Speaker
So the same year that Toy Story 3 came out was the year that the very first How to Train Your Dragon film came out. And whilst I enjoyed Toy Story 3 watching it, it didn't really hit me that hard. I didn't find it left as much of an impact. And because I also loved Toy Story 2 so much, I hoped that I would hit the same mark again for me.
01:07:56
Speaker
And there were, as I say, there were elements that were very good and I enjoyed. I found the whole switching buzz into Spanish mode was very funny. The stuff with the new toys at the kindergarten that were like questioning Ken was kind of funny. There's a little bit of like a homophobic element to those scenes from what I remember, but might be remembering incorrectly.
01:08:13
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no i think you're kind of on the right lines there because i do remember at the very end they write a letter from their vacation the holiday and they say oh barbie has some great handwriting and they're like oh no i think that's ken and they make this kind of face
01:08:30
Speaker
Yeah, it's not particularly PC. But yeah, I think I just hold irrationally better about this movie because of that. I did enjoy it at the time. I did not think it was Pixar perfect quality, but I did enjoy it. And I didn't really get the hype around it because people were waxing lyrical about this movie, both at the time and since.
01:08:51
Speaker
I didn't really care for the kindergarten storyline very much and didn't really like the Bonnie toys very much. There's a lot of new characters introduced that I didn't really enjoy, whereas as I'm going to touch on a little bit more in the fourth one, a lot of the new characters introduced in the fourth one, I liked a lot more than the new characters that were introduced in the third one.
01:09:09
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I think it's a good enough movie that I would concede that it's Infinity and Beyond, but I wouldn't personally put it in Pixar Perfect. If you think that it is on the same level as Toy Story 2 and you really want to fight for it, again, I will concede Toy Story 3 is Pixar Perfect, but my impression is Infinity and Beyond.
01:09:24
Speaker
Well, we could concede and put it at a high to infinity and beyond, because I still think that it is a good summary to the trilogy. Like, don't get me wrong, the trilogy isn't really... that's not going to sound weird to say, but you know, it doesn't seem as if it's what they've been building up to. I mean, kind of in a way, because they do say, oh, we'll always be there for Andy.
01:09:46
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Yeah, it's kind of like seeing your heroes grow old, isn't it? With Toy Story, you're like, oh my god, these characters that are falling apart, they're gonna have to deal with the fact that they're either gonna be given away or sent to the scrap heap. So yeah, I'll concede that it is probably too infinity and beyond, but the only reason I would say Pixar Perfect is more for the emotional ending, which I know had no effect on you.
01:10:15
Speaker
You're like, you know what? I hope they burned. I hope they all burned. I wonder what they smell like when they burst. Toy Story 4. Ugh, yeah. I did not like this one. Reason being, much like Cars and the plane universe, it left a lot of questions open. Again, this film looks absolutely amazing. See if you can compare Toy Story 4 to Toy Story 1. It's night and day the difference. It looks absolutely beautiful. It's
01:10:44
Speaker
story wise though, I feel it's unnecessary. And again, I hated, like, 4K. Like, maybe that's controversial to say, but he curated me ever so. Just the constant asking and the implication that what's her face, Bonnie, can create life.
01:11:01
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essentially. And that's the thing though, because 4K doesn't know that he's a toy. He doesn't know about life and everything like that. He doesn't know the Andy protocol of Andy's coming, so stop dropping roll. Like what happens if he rocks up to her right at her face? She's gonna have nightmares for weeks, or months, or even years.
01:11:19
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Yeah, it's only raised a lot of questions that you kind of have to suspend your disbelief for. But I mean, you're right. He's not the first of those kinds of items to be created by a child. So presumably they all become sentient. And so why don't they ruin a secret for everyone?
01:11:35
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So yeah, there's certainly a negative element to the fourth one, and I'm not going to defend it to the death. I kind of saw a lot of flaws in it. I did find that it was kind of an unnecessary movie, and I was very kind of critical of that at the time, I remember. I believe there's going to be a fifth one as well, so they're going to keep coming. It seems such a shame when you feel like the trilogy was kind of wrapped up neatly to then continue, but that is the way of Hollywood, the money printing machine. There were elements that I enjoyed. I quite liked the Key and Peel conjoined teddy bear characters.
01:12:04
Speaker
I liked them. I enjoyed Keanu Reeves as the Canadian stunt driver guy. That was a funny kind of character. The villain I enjoyed more than the third one. I think the villain in this one was actually stronger than any of the other Toy Stories. I don't think that as much as I love Toy Story 2, I don't think that the main villains in that were as good as the villain in Toy Story 4. The only counterpoint to that is would you really consider
01:12:31
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as a villain or just someone who has a tragic backstory because by the end of it, you're supposed to sympathise with her and get her redemption arc as it were. But obviously, you know, it's horrifying when she sends her guns after Woody, the goosebump ventriloquist. Oh my god, that was creepy as hell. That was the new... Well, baby hedge.
01:12:52
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in certain nightmare fuel baby head. Yeah, they were horrifying. But I would say that the villain in the first one, other than Sid, was obviously bloody. He was like the second antagonist, whether they liked it or not. The second one with Al, he was just like a greedy businessman.
01:13:11
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I did like also the third one, but I don't know for the fourth one I feel as if she's just too… and again I don't want to be too contrarian here to be like, oh she wasn't edgy enough or she wasn't evil enough, but she wasn't as malicious I would say compared to the other films.
01:13:28
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I quite like that though. I think it creates a bit more of a grounded, relatable villain. A villain that you can sympathise for and that has that evolution by the end of the movie. Going back to the tier list, how would you rate this one? I personally would have it in the To Infinity and Beyond, but as you seem to not be very for this movie, I would place it at the Lightning McQueen as a compromise. I'll put it at the Lightning McQueen, but I would put it at a
01:13:52
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I would put it kind of a high lightning McQueen. It's not the worst of Pixar, you know, but it's certainly not the crown jewel compared to the other Toy Story's, especially like Toy Story 2 and the others. Moving on to the final three films, we have Turning Red Up and Wall-E. So, Turning Red
01:14:15
Speaker
to quickly go over that. Do you know the amount of people that message me when this film was coming out by the way? I think I was one of those people. Yeah saying, oh look it's a film about a red panda, you should review it and everything else, like I'm gonna get around it. So when the film came out I did watch it and it's an okay film.
01:14:34
Speaker
I've got an episode on this film where I reviewed it for a Chatsu Shorts episode. On the one hand, it's an okay film, and I did appreciate a lot of the early 2000s references and things, or you know, the kind of aesthetic. I really liked that, and I liked other elements for it, but again, I wasn't obviously the target demographic for this film, so there wasn't
01:14:59
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as many things that were heading home for me, but before I cast my judgement, what did you think? You tell me you weren't a young East Asian girl going through puberty. I don't know, I'll have to check the family photos, but last time I checked, yeah, you'd be correct.
01:15:15
Speaker
I enjoyed this movie. It got some of my attention. I think this might have been another one that came out during the pandemic, if I'm remembering correctly. Yeah, you're right. It's set in Toronto, which of course, I have the kind of geographic connection to that having been like living in Ontario and the kind of GTA, which is the Greater Toronto Area at the time that this was released.
01:15:32
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I enjoyed it. I like the little nods. I like the early 2000s aesthetic they were going for. The introduction of the boy band was fun and the songs in it were quite catchy. I'm not really a K-pop fan, or a K-pop or a boy band fan, but I think that's kind of what they were kind of going for with their music. They were actually pretty good.
01:15:51
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the story itself isn't incredibly original. I think that there it has been done in other aspects of the teenager transforming like a teen wolf kind of thing going on with puberty being the allegory for this kind of like change that's happening to her. And so there's sort
01:16:06
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certainly some things that have been done before, but the animation is very cute. The story is okay. It's good representation for both the East Asian, well, I don't know if it's a good representation, but it is representation for the East Asian community within Pixar movies. And also it is in Canada, which is a difference. I don't think I've seen animated movies set in Canada before, as far as I can recall. So that was, that was all very nice.
01:16:27
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think it was based off the director's own experience growing up as a young Chinese girl in that community in Canada. On the one hand it is very personal, obviously she didn't turn into a red panda, but the whole conversation behind this film being a
01:16:47
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allegory for puberty for girdles and things like that and going through those. I thought it was quite nice that they were open about that conversation and everything and obviously the significance of that is lost on us but the fact that it gets a grown up with that kind of film I think that is a good film to have but in terms of a film itself just taking it on its own merits
01:17:10
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It's okay, I wouldn't say I would repeatedly watch this film again. There were moments I really liked and then other moments I was like, yeah, this is okay, but I would say either To Infinity and Beyond or Lightning McQueen. Yeah, I could go either way with its category. I think it would be either the best movie in the Lightning McQueen category or the worst movie in the To Infinity and Beyond category.
01:17:36
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but it probably does fit better into the Lightning Merqueen category. Again, I want to say that those that are in Lightning Merqueen aren't bad movies. I would watch each of those movies again in that category, but I do not think that they are high enough to be called really good movies. And I think anything in the To Infinity and Beyond category would be Plast as a really good movie, and anything in the Pixar Perfect is just incredible and an iconic movie.
01:18:00
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So, Pink Turning Red in The Lightning McQueen does not say that it is a bad movie, and I would argue that it is still a very good movie that I do enjoy. See for the next one, again to borrow a phrase from earlier, I'm just going to go straight for the jugular and say picks are perfect for this one. Although I do have problems with this next one, the next one of course being up the opening alone.
01:18:22
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is one of the reasons that I cannot stop sobbing at this film. It is just such a heartbreaking and poignant moment. I've seen the intro several times and there's never a dry eye after it. I feel as if it was just this short on its own they'd be depressing.
01:18:38
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doing me wrong would be very depressing but it would be remembered really well or rather remembered critically as like a masterpiece but then you've got the rest of the film which I have to admit sometimes it kind of drags on. Do you think I'm jumping the gun? Like what are your thoughts for up?
01:18:56
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But I like what we were saying with turning red. I think it would be on the lowest tier of Pixar Perfect or the highest tier of Infinity and Beyond because Up is a lovely movie. I do say that intro is such a heart wrenching scene of loss, love and loss. And I said earlier that Coco was the only film on this list that made me cry. But thinking back, it's not technically true. Up did get a tear out of me in that opening scene.
01:19:19
Speaker
I didn't like properly cry like I sobbed after Coco, but Up did get a tear out of me. I think a beautiful movie, I do think it does drag. There is a bit of a turn in the movie where it becomes a lot less interesting with the introduction of the villain character. I didn't really enjoy much of that and like the dog army I found to be a bit annoying.
01:19:40
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that's probably my least favourite moment of that film. Like I feel as if the beginning, absolutely perfect. The ending when it comes to terms with everything, absolutely perfect. Basically everything with the main character, I feel as if his whole journey is perfect, but when it comes to Kevin, the Sudododo,
01:19:59
Speaker
Try saying that 10 times. Between Na and Duck the Duck, or in Glasgow we would call it Duck the Duck. It's a hard one, isn't it? It is. I do think the start is very strong. I think the end is lovely, but I think there is too much in the middle and more so towards the final third of the film that brings it down. And so as much as I would like to put in Pixar Perfect, I think it goes to Infinity Beyond for me.
01:20:23
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That's fair, I'll agree with that. Because initially, whenever you think of Up, you do think of the beginning, you think of the struggle that he has to go through after losing his wife, and just that horribleness of trying to fulfil his life ambition, but he's doing it at the sacrifice of his own health and everything, and just his obsession with protecting the house and not moving on. It's a very poignant story
01:20:49
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but I do agree, it does drag in the middle. It's like a very soggy middle, soggy bottom as they call it in the British make-up. That of course brings us onto our final film, which remember when we said this was going to be a quick episode?
01:21:05
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it was three hours later. So, Wally, I'm going to be honest, I actually have a bad memory of this one. I remember years ago when this film came out, I went to see this in the cinema with my mum, my brother, and my gran. We bought our tickets, and when we walked in, and again, no surprise Disney film, it was packed with kids, and you think, well, what's wrong with that? The thing was,
01:21:29
Speaker
the parents were going in and they were being told that as long as they put their children on their laps, that was perfectly fine because these were very young children coming into the cinema. But what they were doing instead was they were just shoving their child, which probably got in for either free or very cheaply, onto the seats. So people who had actually bought a ticket didn't have a seat and
01:21:51
Speaker
And that meant that my brother and mum ended up getting to see this film, so they gave their tickets back and they just went away and did something. So I watched it with my crayon, and I don't know, I feel as if that was partly what sullied my experience of it, but beyond that
01:22:08
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I mean, I'm a sci-fi nerd, but I just, I didn't like this one. Again, it's an okay one, but I personally feel as if Loli is overhyped. The only reason I'm saying that now is I haven't seen that in years, so maybe if I went back and re-watched it, I would have a different opinion of it now, but taking it back from what I remember, it's okay. Before you shank me for that, what do you think about this one? I will agree that it is overhyped.
01:22:36
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I don't think WALL-E is as good as it is often billed. I liked it a lot more on my initial viewing than I did in subsequent viewings. Yeah, I left the cinema very impressed with it. And then I remember watching it many, many, many years later, or rather more recently on the TV and not being as entertained, not being as impressed.
01:22:57
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The animation is very good. I was going to say pretty. I mean, it is, it is still pretty, but like it's, it's pretty in a way it's showing such a dystopia, but it's very colorful in it and it's dystopia. It tackles a future aspect of sci-fi, as you said, like a sci-fi aspect that hasn't really been tackled in other Pixar or many Disney animation studios properties. So it's very interesting in that. And it shows a much bleaker look at the future than what many sci-fi cartoons would.
01:23:23
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like it doesn't present it necessarily as this sort of said earlier, this retrofuturism, it has this much more bleak, as I said, I think I already said the word bleak, but this more capitalist endgame of the world kind of being in a ruin and everyone have to flee the planet and then hundreds of years go by and the people that are left or the descendants that are left become just these unmoving blob people that
01:23:45
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to get caught around and are so dependent on technology. I find that very interesting. I think the film itself is cute, Wally the character is very cute, his relationship with the robot Eve is very sweet, and the non-verbal communication is well done. I would not put it at Pixar Perfect, which I think some might, but I would put it at a low infinity and beyond. I don't think it deserves to be in the McQueen category, personally.
01:24:10
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all concede to that, because it's not as bad like it's quite creative. All they'll say is there's not many Disney films that take inspiration from Johnny 5 as a trash compactor, falling in love with future Dr. Dre's flying beats.
01:24:26
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Yeah, no, I had to go for that. To infinity and beyond. Which brings us succinctly to the end of our ranking. So for picks are perfect, we have Finding Nemo, The Incredibles, Monsters Inc and Toy Story. For to infinity and beyond, we have A Bug's Life, Coco,
01:24:44
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Inside Out, Ratatouille, Toy Story, Toy Story 3, Up and Wall-E. In the Lightning McQueen category, we've put Cars, Cars 3, Finding Dory, Incredibles 2, Luca, Monsters University, Soul, Toy Story 4, and Turning Red, which makes it the most abundant category in our list. We think we were pretty meh on most of the films, it seems.
01:25:04
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And then just kind of rounding it off in our least favorable category, your die watch is Dreamworks. Again, not a slate on Dreamworks itself. We put Brave, The Good Dinosaur, Lightyear, and Onward, which I think is maybe a little bit harsh on a couple of those, but I think is probably where they sit in regards to the rest of the Pixar catalog. And then finally, in Never Seen, we put Cars 2, because now the rest have seen it. You can take the baits, what am I going to watch first? Cars 2 or Citizen Kane, at least your baits now.
01:25:32
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So we've had a bit of a discussion what it's been for Pixar. Just kind of looking towards the future for the studio, what is coming out. There are a few films that are slated to
Upcoming Pixar Releases and Simpsons Podcast Month
01:25:41
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come out. The most recent one, which is going to come out in June. So when this episode releases, it'll be probably in a couple of weeks, is the film Elemental. Have you seen any trailers or anything for this? Yeah, so.
01:25:52
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couple. It does seem interesting. I'm waiting with Bated Breath to be honest. No, excited but no. Because again, it's one of these films that looks great but it's definitely one of those films you have to like suspend your disbelief. Because if you think about it too much like how the toys in Toy Story were. Or cars.
01:26:12
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It don't get me started on that rabbit hole again. If you give it too hard, you're going to be like, it doesn't hold up. But again, it's a Pixar film. So yeah, it looks interesting though. I'll definitely watch it at some point. It does seem like they're just kind of doing a race war with different elements, which is a choice. Did they not already do that? Navitar, the last airbender.
01:26:33
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Yeah, there's an element of, there's an element of, there's a bit of avatar certainly in that, but I don't really know much more about this film other than what I've seen in the trailer, which is just a fire elemental and a water elemental, one to be friends or more, I guess. In a steamy relationship. Yeah, essentially. To get it, steamy, fire, a little water. Yeah, I got it. Turn off the pot, Andrew.
01:26:55
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Yeah, so that's coming out. I'm not going to go see that cinema. I'm not interested enough to go see the cinema, but I will check it out when it comes out to like Disney Plus or something like that. And then there's two other ones that have been slated. There's not really nothing really come out about them. But the first one being Elio. I don't really know anything about it, so I'm not really going to touch on that much more. But then Inside Out 2 is scheduled for 2024, which is wild because they're both scheduled for 2024 only like three months apart. Supposedly there are going to be two Pixar films coming out within a few months of each other, which is a choice.
01:27:23
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crazy. I had no idea they were making a second one. I think I'd heard they were. I don't remember now. But yeah, it seems like a weird decision. But I mean, it's not the first Pixar sequel, and they've kind of gone through a lot of the other films that they could to make theirs. So I suspect there'll be room there. I think maybe this one's going to focus more on the girl going through puberty that the emotions focus around. It'll be interesting to see what they do in the future so we can take apart their hopes and dreams and life's work. So yeah, be sure to look out for those reviews.
01:27:54
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Gee, re-happy. I hope everyone's enjoyed our lengthy discussion to the tier list of Pixar films. Satsanami had initially, well not initially, but when I suggested this idea, he said, oh why don't we do the whole Disney cattle fuck. I am so glad we did. The Pixar one itself is gonna go over two hours, Sats, so we can't add the Disney ones too. More! More! But in all seriousness, thank you so much for coming on and actually suggesting this episode of course. Thanks for walking down my middle lane with all these films.
01:28:20
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No prob at all. Yeah, just if we want to do a Disney one, maybe if people are interested in this content, let us know and we'll be happy to do more tier lists like this on either Disney films or other content. Yeah, if you have any suggestions that you'd like to hear us do a tier list on, we can certainly accommodate that depending on the topic. Yeah, I know a couple people have done like food tier lists, so that might be quite a fun one. On that note, before we wrap up and do our usual talking about our Patreon,
01:28:46
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where you can find us and everything. We do have one special announcement and that is indeed next week. We of course are going to be going into June 2023, but also we are going to be kicking off our final themed month for season 3. That of course being the Simpsons month, we are going to be talking about its dizzying highs, its not so dignified lows. We're going to be talking about the
01:29:11
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film games. Honestly, you're not going to want to miss this one because Andrew and I are both Simpsons aficionados. If we didn't do Chats on the Army then The Simpsons is probably the postcast we would do otherwise. Talking Simpsons were coming for you.
01:29:27
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01:30:19
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I'm editing the episode this. We're going to have a talk after this episode.