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NCAA week 3 news and scores
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Don and Russ talk more expansion and scores from week 2 and a preview of this week's hot games.
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Introduction and Overview
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Ladies and gentlemen, I've got a couple questions for you. Do you love college sports as much as I do? Are you always wondering where you can find the latest NCAA reports? Well, you've come to the right place. Welcome, sports fans, to Fuel Sports Presents, the NCAA report with Don and Russ.
00:01:26
Speaker
The moment you've all been waiting for, here they are, your favorite hosts, Don Glenn and Russ Robinson. all right Again, thank you Devin Tynan for that introduction, sir ah This is the NCAA report brought to you by the Fuel Sports Network And as always I am joined by my partner in crime the one and only Russ Robinson How you doing Russ
00:01:59
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ah Hey, Don, just fine. Thank you. I think we're going to have some things to talk about where a lot of these schools are now getting into their conference play beginning to. Oh, yeah. It's beginning to get a little more interesting than it was maybe a couple of weeks ago. Oh, of course. I mean, you know, and, and you you know, you, I mean, yeah, some of them are still playing the, I mean, um, we,
00:02:23
Speaker
It was Ohio State played Marshall and ah Texas had Louisiana Monroe. I mean, you know, so there's still a couple of them are still playing some of those, uh, cause he had like, uh, those last year, I think in Illinois had a conference game mixed into the first three. So a lot of, I don't know why that's being a, uh, do you, one quick, do you like that? Do you like having conference games mixed into the middle of the, uh, non-conference season? Well, I think they had.
00:02:52
Speaker
I don't, yeah, I do because it makes, you know, it's other than that, you're, you're getting a bunch of, ah again, a bunch of Missouri and Murray State's games or Illinois and Eastern Illinois or something like that. So it does make it a little more interesting. I don't know if I was a coach or a fan of the team that I'd want to open my season up against my conference powerhouse. But you know, it does make it a little more interesting as a fan no so to have some
Impact of TV Contracts on Game Scheduling
00:03:23
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games to watch. You know, I mean, and I'm sure TV, you know, probably demands that they all have the power for all had big
00:03:31
Speaker
tv contracts so they need to they need to they need to do that you know to to make it to get the ratings up otherwise the whole first two weeks or three weeks would be all you know what I'm talking about oh yeah and I and I think that's a lot of it too I think you're right with the with the the TV contracts and the TV landscape the way it is um you're you're trying to get some games that people are going to want to watch and tune in for it you know it's all about getting that that that TV dollars so and I don't mind it. I get I don't mind it that much really. Now this didn't happen this year with ill with Illinois by a couple years ago. I know they they did that.
00:04:11
Speaker
um And, you know, it's, I guess it's good in a sense, uh, as long as you're playing somebody, you know, within your, uh, your, uh, competition level and inside, like you said, you know, for a Northwestern to have their second game of the season be against a Penn state or Ohio state. I think that, that to me would be just a little bit counterproductive. Yeah. Yeah.
00:04:37
Speaker
You know, yeah you know, they don't, you know, the Northwestern coach doesn't want to face that on my his second week. yeah no give me some time to yeah Give me some time to get developed before I face those guys
Pac-12's Future Prospects
00:04:47
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for sure. So, uh, we talked last week about the PAC 12 and it's demolishing and then subsequent or potential rebirth.
00:04:58
Speaker
And as we were talking about on the, before the show, I mean, uh, so far, every school has state in their name. I mean, you've got Oregon state, Washington state, Fresno state, Boise state, San Diego state, and Utah state.
00:05:12
Speaker
yeah bra So yeah, I don't know how they're going to stay with that. Uh, but, uh, some teams that have come up in a, in an article, you, you, um, pointed out to me and it's ah the athletic and what was that guy's name again? Uh, Chris Vinini. Um, ah Chris Vinini. Yeah. He's pointing to a few other.
00:05:36
Speaker
ah Because we talked a little bit last week about UNLV and Nevada and a couple others. And he's looking at ah the possibility that they're they could be trying to woo um teams like yeah UTSA, North Texas, and Texas State. There's another state school forum.
00:05:57
Speaker
um And then there's the, the, the talk of Memphis and Tulane, but the ACC, I think is the AC. Excuse me. The AC, I think is going to fight that tooth and nail. They're not going to want to let those two guys go. Oh yeah. Yeah. You know, cause those are, I mean, maybe not two lanes so much, but Memphis for sure. They don't want to lose because that's a, you know, that's right in the middle of the Midwest and and and they don't want to lose that Memphis, that Memphis draw that they've got.
00:06:28
Speaker
Well, Memphis has has got money kind of getting to flow into the program. And they also have that FedEx money, FedEx and station in Memphis like that pours in, that got an advantage there. So they, you know, they certainly don't want to lose Memphis, but Memphis would love to get in to another conference other than the ACC. I don't know. They would jump.
00:06:48
Speaker
to a Pac-12 Mountain West type thing, because I'm not sure that helps them that much. I think what they're looking for is hoping for an ACC. ah you know Maybe the ACC sometime down the road. They love the big 10 or the SEC, but they're not going to get that. But maybe the big 12, something like that. and ah I think that's they're more a ambitious right now than than trying to come together with ah with what the pack 12 trying to do. Yeah. Yeah.
Notre Dame's Conference Dilemma
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I mean, I, I'm like you, I don't, see I don't see a move to the, I don't see the sec coming out and, and asking them, but by the same token, if, because right now to me, what the prize is for the big 10, the sec, I think the big prize right now is who can woo Notre Dame.
00:07:45
Speaker
Yeah. Uh, well, with who whoever gets Notre Dame is, is, is, is, is what they're looking at. And I don't know, call me crazy, but Memphis, if you, if you end up getting Notre Dame, Memphis would make a nice little fit for either one sec or the big 10. But I think you're right. I think they would be better off looking at an AA or an ACC, um,
00:08:15
Speaker
invitation, if you will, because I think that conference fits more of what they are. And, you know, they've got the ability both in football and basketball to be a top program in that type of a conference. Oh, absolutely. vi you They've had a strong basketball program for years to their football programs come on the last few years. um Yeah. You know, it's once again, we get back to TV markets.
00:08:41
Speaker
And the SEC doesn't really need them in that area. ah But the you know the big 10 maybe, but really the big 12 in the ACC would be a good would be a decent grab for them if they just decided had to reach out. ah you know The Memphis TV market, they be up they'd be into the Southeast Conference market and stuff like that. So I think it would be a ah nice grab for for one of those two conferences if they felt like they needed to add uh, you know, needed to expand their, their TV market. So, you know, as I said last week, I think it's, it's because everybody keeps talking about it and it's very possible that, you know, the SEC may try to raid the ACC to get them up to a couple extra teams. So, you know, the ACC might be looking at a Memphis, they might be looking at, you know, in that realm.
00:09:35
Speaker
Uh, I don't see Notre Dame going to the ACC. I think they want a more premier conference than that. Not, not trying to say he sees a bad conference, but you know, they're, they're going to want something where they've got pretty much marquee games. Most of the season in there in that conference. And I think that's what they've been holding out on for so many years, why they won't join the big 10, why they won't join the SEC, uh, is because.
00:10:01
Speaker
They're looking, especially on the football side, you know, as an independent, they could schedule whoever they wanted and they could get eight, seven, eight big games a year. That was a big draws. Um, and you join a conference, you're not always going to be privy to that because, you know, yeah, you're going to get to play a Michigan and Alabama, uh, a Tennessee and Ohio state. But then you've also got to play the Vanderbilt's the Northwestern's.
00:10:31
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the Mississippi States, you know, um, produce, which aren't going to draw a whole lot of most nor nor under normal years, I should say, are not going to draw a big TV market for you. No, but you know, and Notre Dame has that NBC contract. Yeah. And that works. It must work really well for them because it's been so, uh, they've held out.
00:10:55
Speaker
uh, going into the big 10, which had to, you know, we know that the big 10 networks, the great network is a great, uh, money maker for the big 10 or any, or the sec, you know, they got either one part you'll be able with with the ACC, I'm scheduling some football games, so many games a year, they've got a deal on their basketball program and some of their other programs with the ACC.
00:11:19
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So they might, they probably know what they're doing there. And I don't know, uh, you know, NBC probably, you know, it's going to try to keep them, keep them, you know, under the umbrella there, uh, if they can. So I, you know, I don't know if Notre Dame is close to moving or not. I just haven't, we're not hearing anything about Notre Dame. It's really very silent on that. Yeah. I mean, you know, over the X a number of years ago, it was a big talk of.
00:11:47
Speaker
the big 10 trying to get Notre Dame, then the, uh, the big East, uh, basketball wise, one of them in their conference. And, you know, I think that's the best of one thing. It's just like the way it's shaping up. You've got so many or very few conferences now that are.
00:12:06
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Uh, premier for football and basketball. Um, you know, cause the big East is primary. It's a basketball conference. They don't, I mean, there may be just a few football teams here and there. Um, so yeah, I mean, it's going to be an interesting thing with that. Uh, what do you, we talked a little bit again last week and a way, and we, what our envision of what they, what the thing is, but What do, if the Pac-12 does rebirth, let's say, and let's say they get a Tulane or a Memphis to come in there. Is there a possibility without them going to raid ah the big 12 or maybe completely dismantle some other conferences just to get what they need?
00:13:04
Speaker
Is there an option within the next two years where they can, I mean, obviously they're going to be able to to get probably at two more teams in the next couple of years to be a ah legitimate conference, but will they ever get back to a power five? Not in the foreseeable future. I don't think they will. Unless some of those schools that they recruit, you know, raise the level of their program ah to a power five low level. ah I don't see that happening. I mean,
00:13:34
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I think the power for conferences are going to, you know, they're going to be fine with them. They take, you know, they take, uh, you know, Fresno State and take, uh, San Diego state. They'll be fine with that, but they're going to fight to keep in a power for, uh, top of, uh, power for as being the elite conferences. I don't think let anyone else in it is what I'm saying. Not easily. And, uh, you know, it's, and they've got in these schools, they've got just yet would have a quite a jump.
00:14:04
Speaker
to get there. I mean, I don't think any of these schools, if you go to the SEC or the Big 10, so many schools draw 100,000 fans a game. They all have, not one of those schools are even close to anything like that. you know right They don't even have the stadium sizes or anything like that. And you know and they're not in particularly a strong TV market. I mean, you could say, you know Oregon,
00:14:31
Speaker
Is that the Portland and Washington state could say, you know, Seattle here, but none of these have a big TV market. So no, I don't think it's in the foreseeable future. I think, you know, they can try and put at a conference together and then try to build from there, but they're a long ways off from doing anything. And the other, the other question I've got is right now this year for the playoffs, the football playoffs at least.
00:14:54
Speaker
it's going to be the power of four conferences and the ah top team from the group of five. Well, if you end up with the PAC 12 being a another legitimate conference, you know, and and some of those schools are legitimately strong enough to to take on the the group of five, if you will.
00:15:16
Speaker
ah do we now have a group of six or do they split that into two groups and have the east group and the west o i mean i don't know yeah um i think what how do you i don't think that par twelve you know that've got They don't want to anymore. You know, they get the one of the group of five conferences in there, right? And they're not going to let they're not going to be easy to let someone else come in and try to take one of those 12 spots. You know, they can prevent it. You know, it's going to be a big 10 SEC.
00:15:47
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ACC Big 12 thing. Right now, if you look at the top 12, it's pretty well dominated by the SEC and the Big 10, I think. I mean, yeah, I'm just like, I'm getting a quick look at it now. um Let's see. One, two, three, four, five. Six. Six teams in the top 12 are SEC.
00:16:13
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Uh, three team, only three teams, no four teams in the top 12 are big 10. Then you've got Utah from the big 12 and Miami from the ACC. Yeah. I mean, that's, you know, and I don't know if that.
00:16:37
Speaker
I don't know if that's right or not. I mean, you and I can sit there and talk about it and and look, but we are not privy that we can't, we can't watch every game and, uh, you know, and and, and decide who's this, that, or the other. But, uh, you know, it is, it is kind of interesting. I mean, Utah finally, Utah finally moved. They're up to 10 now.
00:16:59
Speaker
Uh, days, they started at 12, they stayed 12 for the first four weeks and now they finally moved up. Um, but yeah, I mean, the conferences that are going to dominate right now
SEC's Dominance in Football
00:17:10
Speaker
are good. It is at least in football right now. It's the SEC is the dominant conference. I mean, there's just, there's no getting around that at this point. Uh, yeah, you've, yeah. Ohio state can challenge, uh, Penn state can challenge, Oregon can challenge. Um.
00:17:29
Speaker
Michigan's finally gotten their way back into their top 12 after that loss to ah Texas. um But you look at some of the others that's that's right behind all that and then you've got UNLV or excuse me, u LSU. um And then the big 12 comes in near the back, the back half of that. um So yeah, I mean, what has, okay, this is a good question then.
00:17:58
Speaker
What do you think has led to the SEC's dominance in football? Well, they've always taken it so seriously. You know, I mean, it's it's a lifestyle in a lot of those schools. ah You know, coaches don't get a lot of leeway on, you know, in some of the love of schools they don't. ah You know, Albert he frees who is such a success and Ole Miss. They went to Liberty and you know, kind of built that program up. He's already kind of.
00:18:26
Speaker
getting grumbling at Auburn in his, say he's not even through the second year yet. I mean, that's just how serious it is. And so those, although, so I think that they take it and put so much resources in it and and you know things like that. So I think that's why, um you know plus now you've added Texas and Oklahoma. yeah know There's so much resources spent on it. So that's why they're dominant. This didn't happen overnight. This just happened. This has been the way it's been in the SEC for,
00:18:54
Speaker
decades i guess ah So they they you know ah they're going to spend money and they're going to make their, and everyone's trying to improve their facilities, ah trying to upgrade their facilities. And you know it's a big race and it's kind of crazy. And some of the SEC fans are really crazy. I mean, you know they they don't have a lot of patience. So that's why you see so much. Now, I think as far as the top 12 ratings,
00:19:20
Speaker
I think a lot of this is going to shake out. This is after the fourth year. I don't know that some of the SEC schools will still be there ah ah when we talk all week 10. done or week 11 or whatever it is. right ah love you know I don't know Missouri will still be in the top 12. I don't know that you know it's hard to say. I don't know that I didn't think Tennessee was a top 12 team, but they've proven to me maybe they are. Ole Miss, you know I don't know. I think there'll be some people move up, move this some people move out you know the top 12. So you know there's a lot to be decided yet. i'm umm i'm not
00:19:57
Speaker
you know I'm not but right now you know it's kind of a you know who are the name programs and they get to they'll hang in there you know Mitch getting home in there no other reason than what they did last year you know for a long time you know exactly yeah I mean yeah I mean you can look at the standings for the different conferences right now and it's it's uh Yeah, I mean, you know, only you're you're talking maybe some teams have played ah one conference game. Some seem still haven't played a conference game yet because they didn't tell week one, not in week zero, like a few teams did. Uh, cause you've got raw meat. You look at just the, the big 10 right now, the top, uh, uh, Uh, top two teams in the big 10 Illinois and Indiana. I mean, that's, that's not going to happen that often people, uh, you know, I mean, ah you know, and then you look at the, uh, SCC, I just had him here just a minute ago. Yeah. It's a Missouri, Tennessee, Georgia, Arkansas, LSU, and, or excuse me, Missouri, Tennessee.
00:21:07
Speaker
Georgia are the, are all undefeated and they've only played, all of them have only paid one conference game. So, you know, it, like you said, another couple of three weeks, uh, especially when you start getting like the SEC and the big 10, we have so many ranked teams and then one of the big 12 too, they got a lot in the, and like I said, in the back half, uh, you're going to start seeing some ranked teams playing ranked teams. And that's what's going to, I think change a lot of this landscape as it goes along. Sure.
00:21:36
Speaker
Right, right, yeah. I think we talked last week that, um the last time we talked, no I believe it was you and I talking, let's just talk to one of my buddies, that, you know, this top, having the top 25 ratings come out the first week is a lot premature that might serve better to wait until mid-October before you start... i mean yeah out ebo You came out with the preseason rankings. That's all fine and good. But like you said, you know, the first three weeks you're playing, there's so many teams are playing a cannon fodder, if you will, you know, um like, like we said, Illinois or Ohio State playing Marshall, Texas playing Louisiana Monroe. um You know, it's you're you're not going to see a lot of.
00:22:25
Speaker
challenge to that top 25 until they get like three weeks into their conference season. So speaking of the top, speaking of the top 25, we'll kind of go over it real quick. The, uh, first, the top five haven't changed from last week. Uh, this last week, Texas and Georgia flipped.
00:22:44
Speaker
And, uh, Texas was the new number one that stayed the same. So it's Texas, Georgia, Ohio state, Alabama, old miss are the top five. Um, Tennessee moved up one from last week when they jumped ahead of Missouri. Uh, Miami is seven Oregon is eight Penn state is nine in Utah is 10. They finally got off that 12 ranking. Uh, let's see the next, uh, Missouri drops down to 11.
00:23:13
Speaker
and they dropped, uh, let's see from last, but just from last week's poll, they dropped four spots. Yeah. Michigan gained some ground with that win over, um, USC, they're up to six, uh, or up to 12, excuse me, but up six spots, uh, USC dropped to 13.
00:23:37
Speaker
LSU moved up to 14. Louisville is up to 15. Notre Dame got some recognition. They're up to 16 now. Clemson after that big win they had is up four spots to 17.
00:23:53
Speaker
Iowa State's up to 18. Illinois went up five spots after beating Nebraska. They're number 19 now. Oklahoma State dropped six spots, as did Oklahoma. They're 20 and 21. BYU with that upset is up 20 spots. They finally, they were so far out of the top 25, they are, they're up 20 spots to number 22.
00:24:17
Speaker
Kansas state dropped 10 spots. The 23 Texas ain't am stays in the top 25 moving up a spot. The 24 and Boise state joins in the top 25 at number 25. They come up two spots.
00:24:31
Speaker
um You know, I don't think, it's like again, as we talked, there's nothing really earth-shattering except the idea that, you know, a BYU can pull an upset and move 20 spots so far out of the top 25 that they're moving into it. yeah ah You know, that's kind of interesting. K-State taking a big drop though. um And what did what did they do last week? I i get that i know they didn't, they didn't fare well.
00:25:01
Speaker
get to that game here. Uh, but they took a really, I mean, dropping 10 spots is huge. Yeah, that's, that's a pretty huge drop. Uh, yeah, I don't know what the, I forgot who they play. Let me think I, um, I'm looking it up right now.
00:25:19
Speaker
What did that last week tried to, tried to call Kent state, Kentucky. Yeah. Yeah. But Bella BYU was the one that upset him. Okay, that's what I mean. That's what I use in there. Yeah, I mean they thirty-eight to nine. I mean, that's ah that's quite a that's quite a thumping. And that's not what you didn't expect that from K state to get deep that bad. You know, you didn't know. You know, yeah. So like I said, these early rain ratings are really a little bit misleading and you know, very good.
00:25:54
Speaker
Some teams got a test last week for sure. I mean, and we talked about the, the Michigan, uh, uh, we had talked that before. All right. I had talked last week on my, on my podcast, uh, the Michigan, uh, USC. Uh, and I'll tell you what, it looked like us or Michigan was going to get their second loss at home. And I'm not sure that would have, that would have, uh, voted so well for the new brand new coach over there, Sharon Moore.
00:26:23
Speaker
No, no, it's not, you know, coming right off the national championship year, you know, he's going to be compared to Harbaugh in every way he can. And, you know, so, yeah, it's it's a it's a tough job for him. um Maybe the Michigan fans will be patient. I don't know much about what what Well, challenges he's up to this year. Yeah, they, they, uh, yeah, I don't know. Um, in the past, Michigan fans really have them. I guess they're kind of like Michigan fans and Ohio state bands are kind of like probably Alabama and Georgia fans. Um, you know, when you change a coach, it, it, it. If you don't stay within one win of that coach for the first year, the previous coach, the first year, they're calling for your head. I remember when Gary Moeller took over for Bo Schimbechler at oh
00:27:17
Speaker
And man, that first season, I mean, I think you won like eight, maybe nine, but that they were all over him, like a cheap suit. It's like, what are you doing to us? You know, yeah, you stepped into a legend shoe, you know, Bo was a legend at Michigan. So yeah, stepping in legend shoes, very, very hard to do. And really, you know, I don't know, molar won some games there. No one, I know, um,
00:27:41
Speaker
Oh, I forgot who else, uh, was there after, but you know, they went through some coaches before they got to our ball, someone to make them happy. So yeah, it it took them a while, uh, after shin Beckler left. And it's the same thing, really the same thing for Ohio state. I mean, they went through a number of coaches, uh, trestle and urban Meyer and a few others. Um, but.
00:28:01
Speaker
Those two programs still, were much like ah say in Alabama and the SEC, they were still able to maintain some level of competitiveness and, and still be at the top of their conference. Unlike, uh, like a UCLA or a USC, you know, uh, they changed coaches and next thing you know, they're, they're, they're fighting to stay up top.
00:28:28
Speaker
Well, Pete Carroll was a USC was, you know, he, he won some national championships, did really good. But when he left, it became a challenge for someone to follow up on that. UCLA really hasn't been a dominant program. They've had some good teams here and there since Mark Harmon was quarterback problem.
00:28:48
Speaker
back in the 70s. Yeah, I mean, something a lot that so it's been a it's been a while. no Yeah, no doubt about that. A couple of scores for the last week that I don't want to say were shocking or surprised, but they they were it it to me. It was interesting. i The Utah Oklahoma State game. I I was looking at that and looking at both the quarterbacks and the running. And and I expected that to be a really shoot out affair, and it became more of a defensive game.
00:29:17
Speaker
Um, except for that last quarter when Oklahoma, and the boat Oklahoma scored six, they were 25 points total. Oklahoma got 16 points in Utah nine. Um, Utah managed to hold them off and beat that and win 22 to 19. Like I was expecting that game to be in the thirties. Um, you know, with, with the way they had been playing previous, uh, and okay, I'm going to give you a chance to, to, to, to, to come up with the excuse here.
00:29:44
Speaker
Why did it take Missouri to over time to beat Vanderbilt? Well, that's kind of inexplicable. Uh, they moved the ball. They, they racked up yards. They didn't have any turnovers. They didn't have very many penalties.
00:29:58
Speaker
And yet, but but but they failed in the red zone, Don, and they did they couldn't push the ball across. They missed three or four field goals, I can't remember. yeah ah they could have put that They should have put that game away early. On the other side, Vanderbilt didn't turn the ball over either, had very few penalties. And so they played a very disciplined game. So that's the drawing board, though, that Eli Drink, which is good they have a week off.
00:30:24
Speaker
it's going to go back and figure out what's why the defense offense can't put the ball couldn't put the ball across the goal line like they should have and so you know that's that's why and of course Vanderbilt you know it's one of those teams sometimes you sell you think you're going to go in and you're just going to roll and uh they they rise to the occasion yeah and they certainly did uh so you gotta give them credit thank god they shanked that field goal in double overtime you know I mean, that kid, I mean, I was watching it and I watched that kid line up and um the people I was watching it with, one of them said, I hope he shanks this thing. And he did. So I mean, you know, it's just, ah it's one of those things. Yeah. Yeah. I know. So that's why I don't, Missouri's 12th, 11th or 12th now. So, uh, I think they're 12. They don't need to be any higher. They're 11 now. Yeah. Yeah. Uh,
00:31:21
Speaker
What do you make of the big to do? And I know they, they say there's no comp, no quarterback controversy, but, and granted they played a weak sister of the poor, but arch manning at Texas, you know,
00:31:40
Speaker
I mean, he didn't throw for a ton. I mean, only 257 and two TDs. And I guess from what i've um ah what I've gathered from the different sports reels and whatnot, ah the Texas coach is saying there is no quarterback controversy that as soon as, what's the starter's name?
00:32:05
Speaker
it Yeah, I know ah I can't call his name right now, but he's the guy that took him last year all the way to the the the National Championship game. Yeah, so they have a loyalty. You know, he's got two great. He got one you know really good, maybe great quarterback there and he's got Archman set ready to go. Yeah, that's announced. That's a nice problem to have. So ah yeah, you know, Arch, he didn't. He he looked good against. the Uh, not against the top quality opponent, but, uh, you know, if he's, I can remember Don, I lived in Nashville at the time when Peyton freshman year at Tennessee, right? He was the field string quarterback his freshman year. And the first string, the second string quarterback, both got hurt.
00:32:55
Speaker
And he stepped in the, I don't know what game it was, fourth game or something like that. And I'm sure Phil former was saying the same thing, but once he got in there, he took over and, you know, he was, he was alleged that he was history after that. yeah but You were, we'll say you were the starter at Texas, but they say, he yeah, he's healthy. He's back. He's back in as
Arch Manning's Debut and QB Controversy
00:33:20
Speaker
the starter. So that, yeah that'll be interesting to see. And I, I mean,
00:33:25
Speaker
it's It's kind of, it's kind of funny in the sense that, you know, you've got a lot of people, especially in that, in that, in the SEC that are big Manning fans. I mean, the man, and so I, that will be C and I, again, it's going to be.
00:33:44
Speaker
When does the call come when you were start has a bad game and I was like, hey, I'm manning. We need to put Manning back in, you know? Oh, sure. you know You'll see that happen. Yeah.
00:33:58
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Yeah, i I'll, I'll touch Illinois and Nebraska also went to overtime. Illinois came out ahead on that one. Uh, and I'll tell you what that was, that was, I loved watching that game. That was a, not just cause they won, but that game was a dog fight all the way through. And when Nebraska tied it up near the end of the fourth quarter, I thought, Oh my God, here we go. Uh, but Illinois came out and two plays, they scored.
00:34:27
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It just took them two plays in overtime to get that touchdown. I'm like, okay. And they, is that, uh, Nebraska drive, they actually ran, I guess the only ran four plays, but the first play was a offensive penalty. Uh, they ran four plays of the four plays. Three of them were s sacks by Illinois.
00:34:49
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for 10, 10 to 15 yards each. I mean, they, and you just can't, you just can't write a better script than that. I mean, and, uh, for all, and and that quarterback, that freshman, he's, he's all that in a bag of chips. I mean, two 97 and three TDs, uh, he can run the ball pretty well. So, I mean, Nebraska has got nothing to to to look down about, but, uh, I think they're going to, they're going to be, uh,
00:35:18
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I won't say a force, but they're going to, they're going to beat some people that they probably shouldn't this year in the big, and they're going to people, people's going to sit up and take notice, but that was a big game for Illinois there. Um, Tennessee, Oklahoma. Uh, I mean, I didn't, I, that's, I was at this, that was Oklahoma's first, uh, sec game, wasn't it?
00:35:44
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I think so, yeah, in Tennessee's too. I watched that game, that wasn't even even really close, as close as the score said. Tennessee dominated that game and they did what they had to do to win. They didn't take any big chances on offense or defense, which really had Oklahoma under control. That was down at us. That was at Stillwater.
00:36:06
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Yeah, no, Norman, nor Norman, Norman. Yeah, Norman. Yeah, I'm sorry. yeah know So yeah, so that impressed me. I had up to that point, not sure that Tennessee was the real thing or not. And a lot of people said they were. And I'm convinced, you know, they're going to be a player for the SEC championship this year. I mean, Oklahoma, I'm not sure is that good. And I think they've got some problems, but to go down to Norman and and dominate them a lot, they did. It was quite impressive. Yeah. And then you got a a game that, uh, had Clemson who was number, it was 21 at the time. Uh, you know, you look at the score and it's 59 to 35 against and NC state. And I mean, if you look at it, they had him outscored in the first half 40, 45 to seven.
00:36:58
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Yeah, first half. And, you know, uh, then NC state. Outscored them in the second half 28 to 14. Uh, a lot of people had that what I had saw seen early, you know, thought NC state was going to be a little bit better than what they've shown, but they're only two and two.
00:37:19
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um You know, I mean, did you get the same feeling? I mean, I said the what I was seeing there is anyone in, you know, don't sleep on NC State. Don't sleep on Duke.
00:37:31
Speaker
And it's kind of like, okay, you know this is not football powerhouses we're talking about here. No, I didn't expect them to dominate NC State like that. I didn't think Clemson was, I thought they were struggling and I just didn't think they were what they were, but them to come out and take care of business against the North Carolina State. Like I said, I don't know how good they are, North Carolina State.
00:37:55
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da You know, Clemson may be better than what we think they were going into that game. So, you know, they're, they're only two law. I mean, they got two losses, but one's against Tennessee and one's against Clemson. So I guess if you're going to lose, I mean, you know, you're not losing, you're not losing against the weak sisters anyway. well yeah You know, so, um,
00:38:19
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is there any takeaways we can get from the after week four?
00:38:27
Speaker
Well, oh I don't know what. I guess you can say that as as the yeah season goes along, some teams are showing beginning to show some momentum and some some teams maybe or not what we thought they were. I mean, that's kind of a broad stroke done, but right I think after four weeks, you know, you may say a team like, ah you know, I was impressed with Tennessee. I wasn't so then I just didn't believe in them.
00:38:55
Speaker
uh you know i mean uh so utah you know kind of came out out there so so yeah you know it's really hard to say um give uh let's you know i guess the thing is is just you take away that some teams will begin to gather little middle you know right the early in the year you didn't think maybe that had so that's yeah that's that's not all you have to for weeks you can't making final conclusions. I mean, oh, no, you got to, you got to, if you had to lay bets, you got to think Texas is going to be there at the, at the end and the Ohio state and some teams like that. But you know, you, you just can't, you can't make a lot of definite conclusions or anything. I know. Okay. Well, we're going to talk some, uh, some games, upcoming games coming up and, uh,
00:39:44
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00:43:44
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All right. So we are back. Um, And we're going to look at some games coming up this week and then we're going to try and look ahead a little bit since we only do this every two weeks. We're going to take a little quick look at week six. So this week we got coming up. I think the big one that a lot of people probably be tuning into it will be Alabama, Georgia.
00:44:08
Speaker
Oh yeah, you know and that that'll tell us a lot about both those teams. Georgia struggled against Kentucky. I mean they were kind of lucky to pull it out and you know a lot of people were kind of surprised about that. But ah you know in Alabama, the new coach and. Here she's gaining some momentum there, so you know that'd be good to see where they're at. You know, and it's really someone's going to come away a loser there and and could impact, you know, I think both those teams, I would, if I was betting will end up in the, in the, uh, 12 team playoff, but it could really impact going forward, you know, where they stand. So, uh, it'd be interesting to see it's really going to be an interesting game. You know, I'm looking forward to it and I will watch it for sure.
00:44:59
Speaker
yeah
Alabama vs Georgia Game Preview
00:45:00
Speaker
that yeah Unfortunately, I have to work this weekend, so I probably won't be able to watch much. I mean, I'll maybe catch the, uh, evening game. You know, what time is that game? Is that a prime time game? Oh yeah. It's a six 30 game. It's on ABC. So I don't get off till nine. So I'll miss that one. We've almost completely off. I'll try to follow it on my, uh, on my app at at work.
00:45:25
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Absolutely. yeah We're not busy. Now the game on that, that Alabama is favored by, or excuse me, uh, Georgia's favored by two over Alabama with the over under looking at 48 and a half points.
00:45:40
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OK, well, Georgia sure had trouble scoring last week, but we'll see. You know, I mean, we'll see what what we'll see what happens. Yeah, I you know, I don't know. Two points is a lot of not much. You know, you could almost go either way on that one. And that's that's Cascalusa.
00:46:03
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Yeah, that's at Tuscaloosa, so they had the 48 points. Is that what you said? 48 yeah, 40 and a half 48 and a half. four Yeah, you know. I could see a I could see him scoring more than that. Both you know both teams combined. I could see that happening. oh Yeah, both teams are on their game. I can see 60 points easy in that game. Yeah, so yeah, that's a that yeah. So you know, just take your pick there.
00:46:31
Speaker
Yeah, I, yeah that's a pick him game. And I, I do think I'm going to agree with you. I think the over is the bet would probably be the safer bet of the of the two. Uh, then you got a matchup of Louisville and Notre Dame, uh, Louisville's 15 Notre Dame is 16 and Louisville. Oh no, excuse me. Notre Dame is a six and a is a six point favorite with the over under being 46 and a half. Hmm. Okay. And that is at South bend.
00:47:01
Speaker
okay at's south bend yeah you know i i You know, Louis Notre Dame started off with a real bang. This, the first thing I believe they beat Texas A&M. Then they, then who beat them Northern Illinois, Illinois. oh yeah but there no no Then they came back and beat Purdue, what 70 to nothing or something like something like that. It was really 65 to three. was It was a God horrendous score for sure. Oh yeah. Yeah. That'd be an interesting game for both those.
00:47:34
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both teams It could be a very big game because if Louisville, because they're 3-0, Louisville wins this, they could pop them into that top 12 and there's your group of there's your group of five school.
00:47:49
Speaker
Well, they almost made it last year. In fact, I blew it. I thought would be the one to get in right and and they didn't. Uh, but, uh, so, you know, uh, Notre Dame, uh, that's going to be a good game. That'd be one interesting to watch. That's a two 30 game, Don. I don't know if you'll get to see that one or not. I won't get that. I guess that I'll be checking the scores on my, as on my CBS app on my phone. Yeah.
00:48:11
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ah That's it. That will be an interesting game. Yeah, it will be an earliest. If there's an early game, there ah one early game, 11 o'clock game that might draw some interest is. Especially with Kansas State fans are going to be looking to rebound after getting beat by Bay or Baylor, was it? I think it wasn't Baylor. No, it was. you one earth Is it Utah?
00:48:37
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No, BYU is BYU. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, they've got Oklahoma state at 11 o'clock and that's going to be in Manhattan, Kansas and Oklahoma or excuse me, Kansas is a five point favorite with the over under being 55 and a half. Hmm.
00:48:58
Speaker
um more over under than in Georgia, Alabama. Yeah, that surprises me there. I mean, Oklahoma State, I know Oklahoma State can put some points up, but I don't. I mean, I haven't followed Kansas State much. I mean, I'm not sure what their offense is like. Me neither in a. You know, they're both two good programs, but I'm not sure. Kansas State at home four and a half points. Maybe you know, maybe that's a good.
00:49:28
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That's a good line to take the 55 points. I believe I'd go under it. I think I would too. Yeah, for sure. It seems high for those two teams, but yeah. Yeah. And then, uh, one out of the big 10 is I, to me is Illinois Penn state, Illinois coming off that upset went over in Nebraska, their number 19 at four and Oh, Penn state's now back up to number nine at three and Oh, and this is going to be at happy Valley and. pin
00:50:01
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which is never, which is never happy for the opponents. I can tell you that right. Uh, and Penn State is an 18 point favorite. Yeah. And the over over under is 47 and a half. Well, that just shows you Illinois hadn't got the respect yet from the, uh,
00:50:22
Speaker
from the people who lay the odds on this thing. oh no they They need to see more from Illinois. one then That's fair. That's fair to say. I mean, cause yeah, we beat Kansas. Okay, fine. But now Kansas is no longer in the top 25. We beat Nebraska and, um you know, they coming up this week. I don't know who they've got. die Yeah. I don't think they've got,
00:50:52
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They may be off this way. I think maybe Nebraska is off this week. Okay. So they get in a little bit of a break and being getting a buyer, uh, an off week. So they won't, uh, hopefully not drop too bad. Um, but if somebody does a pulls another BYU, who knows what happens at that point? Absolutely. Right. Right. But, uh, but yeah, I mean, uh,
00:51:18
Speaker
Illinois has got to prove something and this would be a game to prove it. for Oh no, i but they I was wrong. They in Nebraska plays Purdue. They're 10 point favorites. So, um, yeah, I mean, that's Purdue's been known to shock people. They did it to us last year. So that that could hurt Nebraska. But, uh, getting back to Illinois, Penn state, uh,
00:51:43
Speaker
Illinois has got to prove something. They showed that they can win on the road in in in a tough environment like Nebraska. ah But Penn State's a whole nother level of tough when you're playing there. hot though Well, you know, Nebraska's still rebuilding, building, building and trying to build their program back up again. Matt Berool has, you know, to so far shown, you know, he's done a pretty good job. But Penn State's are established, I mean,
00:52:11
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um James Franklin is established there. So it's a different, it's gonna be different. It's gonna be different. Oh yeah. And I tell you what, with Michigan down, this could be Penn State's year, even though they've added the four teams in the Pac-12, this could be Penn State's year to finally say, hey, we belong as a top mention in this conference. I mean, cause everybody's still, I don't care who you talk to. It's still Michigan, Ohio State.
00:52:43
Speaker
You know, they, they kind of forget the rest of the other, the other teams in the conference. Oh, absolutely. Yeah. So i'm just slipping through Penn state plays Ohio state. They don't play Michigan. Uh, you know, they got Washington, Purdue, Minnesota, Maryland.
00:53:00
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This really could be set up for them. If they get past Illinois, this really could be set up for them to have a great year. yeah yeah The year they've been waiting for, it's possible. ah you know They gotta get past Ohio State comes in to Happy Valley. And they do go to USC, but you know it's it it really could be set up for them to to make their run this year, you know so we'll just see.
00:53:28
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And I'd say the other, the over under in that game is 47 and a half. so I mean, the way Illinois defense has, has played. I'm, I would be almost tempted to, uh, take Illinois and take the points. who And then as far as the over unders concerned.
00:53:56
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Uh, I, I think it'll probably end up going over, but I think unfortunately it'd be because Penn state will probably score about 30 points. ah right I hate to say that being an Illinois man, but I mean, the reality is this, this, you know, at happy Valley, uh, both teams are ranked. Illinois is running a big high, but you got that risk of running too high after an emotional game like that against, uh, Nebraska.
00:54:23
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uh you know winning in overtime the way they did and um so you know we'll see what happens with that they're really outside of that there's really no huge games uh on the schedule for this uh this week in the top 25 i mean you could probably point to i'm just kind of quickly going you know old miss kentucky i mean the way kentucky played against georgia they You know, it's conceivable they could upset Ole Miss, but Ole Miss is a 17 and a half point favorite. Let's see, we went over the Louisville game.
00:55:02
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ah
00:55:06
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Let's see. Uh, here's, uh, no, that isn't, uh, yeah, that's, that's pretty much about all there. Cause everything else is just really, uh, Boise state, Washington state, I guess Boise state brand new into the top 25. They are an eight point favorite against Washington state. Uh, and that's going to be at, that's a home game for them.
00:55:28
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Uh, so maybe that could be something people might want to watch with, you know, how the new look pack 12 is going to, uh, cause they're going to be, if this holds true, they'll be conference mates in a couple of years. Right. I'll be conference mates in two years. So that, that could be, that could be somewhat of an interesting game. And and just in that respect, uh, so looking ahead to week six here, let me get that, pull that schedule up early quickly. Um,
00:55:57
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And we talked and there's really, again, not much it's surprising me that there's not a whole lot of big marquee games coming up. Uh, even in week six, uh, one that might, I mean, just for the, the SEC fans themselves would be, uh, Georgia Auburn. Uh, but I don't see that one as being much of a game. Um,
00:56:22
Speaker
And let's see, we got, uh, Michigan, Washington, which could, I mean, Washington's a, you know, a runner up last year to the, uh, uh, to, uh, Michigan. So that could be getting a little bit of a rematch game. If you will.
00:56:40
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ah So my people might be keeping an eye on that one. I don't have any odds on these games yet because of their, they don't put the odds that far out or they do are not, not on this particular, the only real top 25 game in week six is going to be Missouri and Texas A and&M. And that's providing, you know, providing Texas in the top 25 by week six.
00:57:03
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Well, they beat they play Arkansas this week. And if they win that game, they should, you know, yeah, they should set it up as was a good game. And, you know, both teams, this is the first really big game for Missouri. And so they need to say, you know, they need to win this game, though it's down at College Station. They really need to win this game. And Texas A&M is going to feel the same way. You know, they need to read. They've already got one loss. They and that they won't get into the playoff, they're going to have to, they really can't afford more than two losses. And so they're, you know, so this is really important for both these teams and it's 11 AM game. So it's the first game on ABC. So, you know, it's going to be, you know, you'll be big. It'll be bad. It'll be a big game. Got a little bit of time to the left here to play with a couple of things.
00:57:57
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With the, and it will probably in the next ah few months, next couple of three weeks, I should say, uh, we'll probably start maybe eyeballing some, some, uh, early, early talk about basketball. Um, but right now with, with football being the king and the way the playoffs are set, um,
00:58:21
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how do you, I mean,
00:58:24
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originally they had it set for the, for a power five. Now it's down to a power four. So they had to put that, find a way to put that fifth team in there. So that's the group of five. Now you got, um, do you see, and I know this has always been the contention for the last couple of years of being just a four teams that got into the playoff. Do you see a three loss team, um, making that top 12?
00:58:53
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I can't see it unless it comes from the group of five. For some reason, some some teams wins their conference and slips in there somehow. I can't see them. You know, they are going to take the conference champion from each of the four, right? in that right yeah the college champion And by every every conference okay done every conference is going to be playing a conference championship game.
00:59:19
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Yes, and I suppose a team that goes in nine and three. manages to get in the conference championship somehow. yeah And could could possibly win. I don't know what team that would be. I don't know which conference that would come. for I can't see it come from the Big 10. I can't see it come from the SEC. I don't know, maybe the Big 12, maybe the ACC, maybe, you know something like that. you know maybe Maybe from one of the group of five or something like that. It's possible. I think it's it's un unlikely, but I think it's certainly possible. yeah
00:59:53
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, cause you always, you always hear that you heard the talk before of a, you know, a two loss. And again, when it was only the four teams, you know, a two loss Alabama or a two loss Ohio state still having a shot at getting in that type four, you know, whereas now it's going to be the first four positions are going to be with the conference champions.
01:00:16
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So, you know, if you envision, uh, if everything plays like it should, I should, I guess, and you end up with the top team in each conference being that conference champion, you know, then you have to start looking down the line as to who has got, and again, it's going to be how that top 12 ranks out. But then you've also got the, the problem of that group of five leader.
01:00:44
Speaker
You know, that that that top team in the group of five has to get an automatic bid. Now, if they are ranked in the top 12 at the time they get the bid, they go in at whatever rank that is. If not, they go in as the 12th ranked or 12th, uh, I guess not ranked, but, uh, seated team, they go in as that 12th as the 12th seat. So, you know, you could see like, ah if say a big 12, like a Utah is at number eight or number nine in the rankings. Well, they're automatically.
01:01:20
Speaker
If they win that conference, they go to a one, two, three, or four, you know, more than likely the four, I would, I would think, or it could be them in ACC, but they would go into that four slot. So then everybody, if anybody was in there ahead of them, they automatically dropped down a ranking. yeah So that shifts all that around. And then you got the group of five winner coming in. I mean, it's.
01:01:48
Speaker
this And I said, well, we'll get a bigger, a better read on it. And what we we're talking earlier with Louisville, you know, this could be huge. This game, this, this week is huge for Louisville. And then next week, I'm not sure where they're at. Uh, get to him here real quick. I just saw him. There they are. Um, you know, at being ranked where they're at. And if they can pull off a win this week against Notre Dame, then the next, their schedule looking at this coming
Louisville's Playoff Chances
01:02:17
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up, they've got SMU Virginia. And then they play a Miami and Clemson, but play Miami in October, Clemson in November.
01:02:27
Speaker
So, you know, it's conceivable. They pull it upset there. They, and they keep winning, which I don't see them. I don't see anybody besides Matt, Miami and Clemson really challenging maybe Boston college or Kentucky. Uh, but you know, they can throw themselves in there. You know, this, this could, this could, the way this whole thing is set up, it could be a very interesting, uh, college football season. Oh yeah. You know, and you know, we will.
01:02:58
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We'll get a better feel of it and about. It's something like that was going to look like could happen. We'll get a better feel of it in about six weeks, five weeks. i I'm saying probably well no probably something like the first second week of October will should have a really good read on because about that about that times when you should see.
01:03:18
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You know, normally, and we'll just use the the two conferences we're from, we're familiar with, but, uh, you normally see, uh, uh, Alabama and Georgia and Ohio state, Michigan start to separate themselves from everybody else. roto Um, as people get a loss here and a loss there. So yeah that's why it's going to be interesting with, with, with Missouri and Illinois, if they can continue playing the way they're playing.
01:03:42
Speaker
and getting the wins they need to get, ah you know, could shake up both conferences big time. Yeah. Well, you know, Missouri, they're just going to have to play better than it gets Vanderbilt. ah They're going to have to start dominating someone. But ah yeah, you know, we'll just see. We'll see in a few weeks. Yeah. No doubt about it. It'd be more interesting.
01:04:06
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You know, Russ, I think we'll talk. We'll call it a night for tonight here. Uh, and I just want to remind everybody to tune into the fuel sports network. You can find a lot of different, uh, articles in the article section. You can find all the different podcasts, like the team of rivals with, uh, Ron and Pete and, and, uh, Elliot.
01:04:25
Speaker
ah Then you also have the moose Michaels two for three He's back as as is the Derek King show you can also find stuff like the a train with Arlington Lane They've got a football show going. I can't remember the name Of that one right now at the top of my head and then they've uh, run nuttle host at the park Check it out. Look at all those prop those podcasts. Look at all the articles Russell get an article in there there too. I get some articles in from time to time So check out the fuel sports network at fuel sports network.com so Russ ah Where can we find you my friend as always
01:05:06
Speaker
Well, you'll find me on Twitter and I'm a Frank for while Robinson one nine five seven. You also find me if you're on Facebook floating around some of the zoo sports, some of the museum fan groups. And, you know, of course, I ran some of the cardinal fan groups, too. So I'm still doing that. Yeah. oh Yeah. Yeah. We don't talk about the Cardinals much. well Yeah. And and a little just a little quick side way to that.
01:05:34
Speaker
just, and I know this is NCAA and we're not shouldn't be talking pro sports, but. Do they bring Marmal back for another year? You know, I think they will. I'm not all that convinced are going to make everybody seems convinced to go make big changes in the front office, and I just don't know that the widths in that frame of mind to do that. Yeah, I don't know that unless you he brings bloom in and more of a.
01:06:03
Speaker
either right under, makes him the official general manager, makes him vice president, yeah i maybe. ah But you know that I think the wits got this more concerned about this Valley Sports, Diamond Sports situation. That really impacts their revenue. through And they don't know what's going to happen after, I guess, they're guaranteed money through 20 to 25. But after that, they don't know what's going to be coming.
01:06:30
Speaker
on that, so are they going to go direct streaming or are they going to come out with another package? whatever so i just don't yeah I'm not expecting a whole lot in the off season. I think Murmo will be back. I don't think he's the biggest problem. ah you i think I think the front office has been given a a quick lesson in reality with the The poor showing of fans the last month or so. Oh yeah, that that had to be a so that's got to be an eye opener to them. And yeah, and I think, you know, instead of DeWitt saying, OK, where, what are you going to do? I think DeWitt is going to demand ah some definite.
01:07:10
Speaker
Not just an idea we've got this, we're going to go this way, but he's going to basically, I think he's going to hold mosaic speed to the fire in his last season. Or like you said, I think maybe they look at chain because the odds everybody keeps saying chain bloom will be the new. Head of baseball in St. Louis, you know, once smart, once a mosaic has gone and, you know,
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