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NCAA Report Upsets and the NIL
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Russ and Don talking about happenings with NIL and all the upsets in NCAA football in weeks 5 and 6. and look at week 7.
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Introduction and Hosts
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This is the Fuel Sports Network. Ladies and gentlemen, I've got a couple questions for you. Do you love college sports as much as I do? Are you always wondering where you can find the latest NCAA reports? Well, you've come to the right place. Welcome, sports fans, to Fuel Sports Presents, the NCAA report with Don and Russ. You've got to get it done.
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and Russ Robinson.
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Hey, thank you, Devin Tyner for that wonderful introduction. And we are here again, presented to you by the fuel sports network. Russ Robinson and myself, we are the NCAA report. And as always by my side, the one and only Russ Robinson. How have you been my friend?
Personal Stories and Challenges
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ju Yeah, how are you?
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Well, I'm, I've been taking her on the chin lately between my back pain and cellulitis now on my nose and pink eye. I've just had a rough week. I'll tell you that right now. I'm hoping it gets better. So, uh, but, uh, but yeah, but thanks for asking. I will always appreciate that. Um,
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This is where normally we record this on a Tuesday recording on a Thursday. Cause I had an issue on Tuesday night. Our cat had gotten out and was gone all Monday night. And, uh, we, were I spent the afternoon after I got off work Tuesday, trying to locate him. I come home and he's sitting out in the backyard. Uh, a little, yeah Hey, it's cat expect, right?
Future of NIL in College Sports
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So anyway, yeah but we are here and we're going to get into this. Uh, you, I want you go ahead and start off. You got something pretty interesting about, uh, the future of NIL and I'll, and then then we'll have something a little bit later about it as well. Well, I yeah know, you know, we probably at some point in time need to bring on an expert, someone who's absorbing all this information. Cause this stuff is breaking all the time.
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on this stuff. But and this morning, I just opened up my ESPN app and looked around, browsed around knowing we would be probably talking tonight. And this came up on ESPN from Eli Letterman. He's a staff writer at ESPN. So NCAA approves elimination of national letter of intent. So to make a long story short, they're going to do waves of national letter in intent. But they're going to come up with a more formalized contract where if when someone signs NIL agreement with a ah university, what a school, it looks like to me what he's saying is all schools, other schools then at this point would have to back off, ah legally have to back off. So anyway, they couldn they couldn't get in, wouldn't be a bidding war, I guess, after he signed, he agreed to one NIL deal, then another school comes in offers a bigger NIL deal.
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than that when another school comes in and offers even a big one. Once he makes his decision on which NIL deal to sign with which school, he's locked in. It also says under the new rules, transfer athletes will be allowed to sign with a new school after they formally entered the portal per NCAA once a prospect has signed a written offer of athletic aid and communications. So this is apparently in response to an impending they call it a house settlement. i don't I guess that the grant roughly 2.8 billion in damages to former and current college athletes and pay the way for college programs to begin paying their athletes more than 20 million annually as soon as next fall. So the final hearing to approve this settlement is scheduled for April 7th, 2025. So this thing is breaking
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changing so fast on the stuff. It's hard to keep up and hard to keep up with all the nuances going on. And so this is something new, brand new. And, you know, we knew NIL, they were somehow they were going to have to try to get a control of it. And it looks like they're trying to get control of it. But, you know, you know, they're facing this lawsuit that or this settlement, they call it a house settlement. Now, let me let me see what Yeah, I've got it up here in the impending House settlement. I'm trying to link it right now. Yeah, see where it takes me. ah Preliminary a settlement designed to pay college athletes preliminary yeah judge ah Claudia Wilkins granted preliminary approval of terms of an industry changing antitrust settlement Monday morning, accepting a series of changes made by the attorneys representing
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the vision when athletes the NCAA and the power pop conferences. So this was on. This was this was just recently in October, so it was just a few days before this. So anyway, this is this is changing so fast on the stone. I don't know. I don't know what's going to be happening next week. You know, it's just oh yeah, it's a big it's a big help, but we're in a we're in a different we're in a different.
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Yeah, we're in a different era. Things have changed. I am trying an effort to get somebody on. I've got some feelers out for people that might know a little bit more about this. Well, then if anybody actually knows that much about it anymore, like you said, it's changing so fast.
Impact of Transfer Portal on College Athletics
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But yeah, I'm i'm working on trying to get somebody here to give us a ah a little better explanation of all this and and how it all affects everything. And in because, you know, you've got two separate entities and at play here. You've got the NIL.
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And then you've got the transfer portal and you know the two are not necessarily related, but one affects the other. I mean, you know, in in the sense that with the transfer portal.
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You know, kids before, when the transfer portal was up before NIL, you know, it was, well, if your coach leaves or if you have this and that, that, you know, you can apply for transfer. Well, then they opened up the portal to basically, okay, you can transfer whenever you want, which, you know, that was, yeah, who who thought that was going to cause a problem, right?
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Really? Yeah. And then now it's like, okay, well, I could have got a better deal at Kentucky than I got it at LSU. You know, I'll i'll just transfer out and it and sign on with Kentucky. You know, well, that may be all fine and good that you want to do that, but they still want it. It's a case of, do they still want you?
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You know, because there's a lot of kids that enter that transfer portal thinking they're going to get get a bigger NIL payday. Nobody picks them up and now they're without a place to play. You know, that's right. Because once they enter that transfer portal, from what I understand, they basically have given up their scholarship or their spot.
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Mm hmm. The base guy to be re right if they don't sign with it, then they have to be re recruited basically by the team that they left, which is, you know, I mean, there, that I guess my my message would be, be careful. but Yeah, sure. You're doing, you know, what do before you get into that mess. um This is interesting. I do. I, I'm kind of looking at that preliminary agreements you were talking about here. And Yeah, that what, what's the figure they said here? Uh, yeah, there's a trio of lawsuits house first, NCAA Hubbard versus NCAA and Carter versus the NCAA that have all claimed to suit the rules are legally restricting earning potential of college athletes. And the NCAA is a pay agreed roughly to pay out 2.8 billion. That's what a B in damages and damages and damages into formula.
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Former and current. So this is right. I don't know how far we're going to go back they're going to go with this is a good question. Yeah. Yeah. And last lot money and one quick I put out an article. It'll be out probably Sunday morning on fuelsportsnetwork dot.com ah on ah part one of the of a little group of series I'm trying to do on NIL. So.
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People can take a look at that and, and draw some conclusions as well. You know, along with this, you mentioned the NIA and you brought that and I saw something, uh, today that there's a new company out now and in college athletics, a new, a new wrinkle to this whole NIL mess. It's co-founded by former NBA champion, Kendrick Perkins. And what they're doing is they're offering college athletes upfront cash.
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in exchange for a portion of their NIL likeness deals up to seven years. yeah The company is called NILI.
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um And they are ranging payments from 25,000 to over a hundred thousand to hundreds of thousands of dollars. It says, uh, his co-founder of this company is wall street veteran, Chris Riccardi. Now in return for giving the exhibit, giving these kids these money, this money anywhere between 25 to well over six figures, they get a.
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basically invest in that person's NIL money for the next seven years, up to seven years, anywhere between 10 to 50%. The ESPN itself, which is where Perkins is a NBA analyst for yeah ESPN. And they even raised questions about it. In my fact, Dan Murphy's the one who wrote the article about it.
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And he says the other companies sell investors, the stake in athletes, future and professional salaries. Nilly says it's the first and currently only company to offer cash advances on college NIL dollars. Several agents, athletic department employees and others who work in college sports injury told ESPN they were unaware of any other company that they're paying college athletes for a cut of their NIL earnings.
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He said, now ah what Kendrick said was you have so many athletes and their parents are struggling day to day. He says, because we're actually taking a bit of a gamble on what the student athlete is going to make in the NIL space. The benefit is the kid is able to get financial security so they don't have to rush. You know, base, what he's saying is before the kid makes a decision, no decision this is we're so we're talking high school kids are 16, eight, 17, 18 year old kids. He's talking about giving these kids.
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and advance on a future NIL contract. And they haven't even signed with the school yet. Well, yeah, yeah. you can Can anybody see the the the the potential problem in this? Yeah, it's it's as well meaning as Kendra may or may not be, we don't know as well. That could lead to other problems, but you know, if other people getting involved, other companies getting involved. And I guess this is why they,
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so desperate, so scrambling around trying to get a control of this. And it's it's just, it started, you know, with that, I guess that was 2021 ruling where they said kids could start doing NILs and things just have gotten, just exploded and gotten out of hand. We now know if you're a head football coach and you're trying to recruit a player, we now know why Nick Saban retired. He just could not.
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He could not deal with this. He was old school. He liked to hold the feet under the fire to the players. you know If you want to play, you know you yeah here's what you need to do. If you don't want to play, you can hit the transfer, but you'll have to set out a year before you can go to another. And this type of stuff now just drove him crazy. you know And so he walked he retired. you know He just couldn't handle it anymore. So I mean, you know we know know If you, if you push down to it, I think that's probably the reason, uh, Mike Krzyzewski gave it up.
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Yeah, you know, uh, you know, too, too big. I mean, if there's too much you're trying to do, and you know, and I think the kids that are really hurt to the people that really take the brunt of this is the high school kids, especially in in basketball. Now football, not so much maybe, but in basketball, especially, I mean, you know, you look at, yeah well, Missouri did this a couple of years ago, Illinois is going through it right now.
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where, you know, you've you've got to get, you're getting so many kids through the players through the portal that, you know, you don't have time to really recruit enough high school kids to develop through the system. Cause you're too busy trying to figure out who's going to fit the mix that you need for this year. Yeah. Yeah. You know, you got kids running in and out the, uh, the optimal plan and what their coaches I think would like to do.
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And I think this is what, talking to Missouri, and that's the one I'm more familiar with than the other. Dennis Gates' plan is to keep, be active in the transfer portal, but recruit high school kids and build, gradually build the program up around them. But until then, he needs, he's hitting the transfer portal pretty well. And I think el Eli Drinkwood has done that for Missouri. And I think a lot, a lot of, uh,
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Coaches are that's that's kind of their plan, you know, trying to, you know, the portal is is good. It gets you some immediate help. But if you start depending on that too much, if you're just running players in and out there too much, it just it can catch up to you. You know, I think I think that's what they're worried about. So it's a it's a ah it's it's you know, it's kind of like. Done if we go back to baseball, professional baseball, you know, I remember I was living in Atlanta.
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Uh, and I went to some Braves games and it was in the day of when they were really bad and they were coming off the Dell Murphy era and they were coming into the guys like, uh, the pictures like, um, uh, Tom Glavin, uh, small, they were young coming up through their whole you smokes. Uh, you know, they were coming up through their system. And then they also were developing guys like Ron Gantt.
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The right fielder, the power hitting right fielder that married Hailey Berry. You know, oh I can't think of his name right now. um He was there and but they complimented that early team when they started winning. With those guys with guys like Lonnie Smith. Otis Nixon, Terry Pendleton and Charlie Lee Brand, who was ah with the 85 Royals on their staff. They and that's kind of what I think the coaches are trying to do.
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That's what the Braves did. They had, they had a lot of young talent, but they, they complimented it with some, uh, with some experience and some experienced talent and they built it up. And, you know, we used to see the Cardinals kind of do it that way too. You know, they, they tried to, uh, back, you know, when they had poohos as a young player.
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You know, they, they brought, they had Roland, they had Edmonds, you know, they had Chris Carpenter, right you know, uh, so, I mean, you know, that's the ideal way to do it. And I think that's why a lot of these coaches like to see through the transfer portal, you know, just try to compliment until they can get their recruiting.
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up and going really good. you know yeah why you know and and and And I get that and and and like you're looking at the Missouri, I've got Illinois U of I right in my backyard here. And you know and I've seen over the last couple of years, you know where under what was bringing in three and four high school kids, all three star four star kids. And then all of a sudden he started, he, uh, was he Kofi went early? Kofi Coburn went early. Uh, I would assume it went early. Um, you know, you've had a lot of these kids that have left for the pros early.
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And, you know, there wasn't really enough coming in. So he had, he was forced to go out to the portal and that became a double-edged sword because in a lot of respects, the first couple of years the port of the portal, the only, you know, you weren't seeing a many underclassmen enter the portal. It was all ah juniors and seniors, you know, they may have two years, they may have a year or they may just be in their graduate year. Now you're seeing a lot of sophomores and and Illinois this year picked up Uh, out of the transfer report, I think they picked up seven players out of the transfer portal and only two of them are seniors. Well, that's yeah. And that's, uh, you know, you and I follow those two schools pretty closely. And, uh, you know, I think most coaches would like to build around high school players, but at the same time, some of those high school players say,
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recruit and bring on, they go hit the portal yeah pretty quiet. so exactly true and And even now, nowadays, um, I was looking at it the other day and there's a kid that Illinois had signed, um, Jeremiah fears reasons only known to him. And I, I can't, I, I, I have to believe the first three letters are N I L D committed from Illinois. And then re cause he wasn't, he wasn't due to graduate till 25.
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reclass He got himself reclassified to get into this year's recruiting class. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. So he can play next year. And then, and, and of course, besides all that, if Illinois got it the other way around, there was another kid that had already committed to, uh, can't remember where, right off the top of my head now, but he's doing the same thing. He's reclassifying and he signed on with Illinois. So you've got these high school kids that are looking ahead and saying, wait a minute, why do I want to go here?
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When I can go over here, cause the NIL money is better. I mean, who's, who's talking in their ear? I don't know. And maybe that may not be the case, but it just, it's really curious when we talk and start talking about this INL and the transfer portal. And now we've got high school kids, you know, trying to reclassify to graduate early so they can get into a certain, uh, recruiting class, you know, because the chances of better, uh, better NIL money. It's crazy. It's just crazy.
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I know. I know. It's just just real out of whack. I know. Completely out of whack.
Shifts in College Sports Power Dynamics
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We can get more into this. i so Hopefully we can get somebody on that will help us make sense of all this or at least give us some direction on it. but Um, yeah and I, you know, and it's, it's now trickling down into other sports. I mean, you're seeing it now in women's basketball. I know the U of I women just picked up a, a former five star, four or five star recruit as a transfer from from some other place. And when they got the new coach, she brought three players with her from her former school on transfers, you know, so it's, you're seeing it go there. And I think baseball's even there's a, there's kids.
00:21:32
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uh, the internet transfer portal and baseball and volleyball. I mean, it's, it's, um, it's becoming a deal that I'm, I'm, I'm glad the NCAA wants to put something on it, but you know what you're talking about earlier with the, uh, the whole contract thing, you know, i that can be a double-edged sword as well for the NCAA. I don't, you know, I mean, they're, they're court dealings. Well, I don't know what, um,
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You know what? well Everything you had on the schedule tonight, Don, but I know there's the in the news like it's been the bid about Greg Sanki, the SEC Commissioner in the Big 10 Commissioner, or actually the two leagues are meeting the Nashville. I think they were meeting this week or next week to talk about the future of the NCAA and nnca and you what they want to do and what they want to accomplish. And I'm sure that's one of the things that's on their mind because things aren't ah probably moving fast enough as far, I'm sure as far as Greg Sankey is concerned on how to get control of this NIL stuff. and That's just one of the things they're going to talk about. They're going to talk about how those conferences can cooperate together too. So ah that's been the news. Are we approaching, I mean, we had college football, we had the division one, two, three back years and years and many years ago when you and I were young boys,
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You know, and then that went into, okay, you've got your top college programs. They all talked about the blue bloods and all this, you know, and now we're into, then we got into the whole power five and you know, you gotta be get this and all these other conferences are, are we becoming or seeing the option of, and I know people have talked about it for awhile. Are we seeing the demise of the NCAA as an institution?
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I think it's very possible. And I think the NCAA is almost powerless. They're finding out they're almost powerless to stop this. And the power lies with the Power Four conferences, especially the SEC and the Big Ten. That's where the power lies. So I think if there if anything's ever going to get done, it's going to have to start with them. And they'll make the decision, almost like they're they're going to make the decision. They had the best TV contracts. They got the best, most of them coming in. Everybody speaks.
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And the ACC is struggling to find out what they're going to be. So I don't know that how much input they're going to have. The big point is not what it used to be. ah you know But I think the Big 12 is are a little more solid footing right now than the ACC is at this point. as far so the uncertain There's not a lot of uncertainty right now in the Big 12.
00:24:17
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ah they seem to be getting their act together, but in the ACC seems to be in some turmoil. Of course, you know what happened to the Pac-12. So anyway, yeah, so I think that they're getting together in Nashville to work out some issues, to try to work out some issues. They're not, you know, I believe if I understood right, reading what I've read about it, they're saying,
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and the, and you'll have to tell me who the big 10 commissioner is. I can't remember his name. I don't remember him. I can get it for you real quick though. They're not, they're not, uh, they're not talking merger, you know, but they're talking about cooperating and they're talking about, uh, you know, scheduling too, you know, about how they're going to, you know, schedule, uh, maybe the big 10 commissioners, Tony petty, Tony petty. Okay. that That's that it's senator Tony. It's him. and Yeah, him and Sankey and their staffs are getting together and maybe some representatives from all the schools are getting together this week in Nashville. It's either this week or next week. Yeah, don I can't remember which which it was. But anyway, we saw things just so happening so fast. You know, I tell you what it yeah, I mean it it's it's.
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It's hard to keep up with
NCAA Football Highlights and Surprises
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it at times. I can guarantee that for sure. Hey, we're going to take a quick break here and then we're going to come back and we're going to start talking some football. I know you we've talked enough about the meaningful stuff. So we're going to talk yeah football. We're going to talk a little football here and there's been a whole hassle of upsets in the last couple of weeks. And we'll be right back after this.
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00:29:07
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All right. So we are back and, um, we'd talked a little bit during the break, Russ and I, and, and, you know, this whole thing with the N I L and I guess that meeting between the big 10 and the sec went off today. This is Thursday, October 10th. So we'll see how, and we'll keep an eye on that as we're always trying to keep an eye eye on things and those that are grand and we'll, we'll let you know with any updates we can find. Okay. But when we last we left off.
00:29:36
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Uh, we were in week five of the college football schedule and, uh, you know, we didn't see a whole lot of any games that were going to be real big upsets. I mean, I think you were us, you and I both liked the idea of Illinois getting 18 points at Penn state and, uh, turned out they needed pretty much almost all of them, but they, but they still covered the spread. Um.
00:30:01
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You know, and then there was a couple, there was one game that, um, I was, I was watching and I really liked the game and even the end of it, I didn't, didn't matter to me cause I didn't have a, uh, uh, dog in a fight as they say, but that was, uh, Alabama, Georgia. That was a dog fight, man. It turned out to be one, I was watching the game and, um,
00:30:25
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uh, you know, the first half, you know, uh, Alabama just dominated Georgia. And I thought, you know, what's going on here? And, you know, it looked like a if you're up 30 to seven, uh, whatever it was 30 to seven, you think 30 to seven or half. Yeah. one Yeah. You got pretty well locked down and you know, Georgia made a stunning comeback, almost pulled it out. So was that what they had like the lead, like the three minutes to go or something like that?
00:30:54
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That was crazy. That was a crazy game. It was. A couple of the, a couple of the upsets though, that Kentucky is, I don't know. They keep showing up and surprising people. What's with those guys down there? I mean, but bat they beat Ole Miss beat number six, Ole Miss in week five, 20 to 17. Yeah, that was a, that certainly wasn't upset, but you know, Kentucky's well coached.
00:31:22
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oh And you know, they kind of grind out a lot of wins and they, you know, they're not a bad team. Uh, let's see who beat them. Don, out I'd have to pull up, uh, the Kentucky hang on a second. I looked that up for you real quick. Maybe if if my computer wants to work, right. I'm having trouble on my CBS site for some reason. Uh, let's see their last, uh, they had, they got, they've been beating my South Carolina and Georgia.
00:31:48
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OK, well this September South Carolina embarrassed him 31 to 6 and then they only lost to Georgia by 1.13 to 12 the next week. Yeah, they they look pretty rough. It looked pretty rough form there, so they South Carolina shouldn't have beaten them. They shouldn't have beaten that bad.
00:32:05
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uh Georgia uh they were putting up a fight against Georgia you know maybe it was a precursor to what Georgia was facing against Alabama I don't know but anyway it was uh yeah uh yeah you know they just they're just it's kind of it's a little topsy-turvy right now you know yeah no doubt what can you say it's doubled up Oklahoma State 42 to 20 I mean it's it's listed as an upset on because it's 23 in Oklahoma State was 20 but That's another game where it was, uh, you know, as it is probably a little closer, it was pretty close at the half. And then Kansas state just erupted in the third quarter, went ahead and stayed there. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Kansas states is a well coached, good program. And, uh, yeah, I, uh, you know, I, I'm not particularly surprised at Kansas how Kansas state, uh, turns out, you know, I mean, uh,
00:33:01
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I think anyone in that Big 12 conference, they can beat, you know, they can beat about anyone. They're not a great team, but they're certainly ah a solid team. Yeah. And, you know, Oklahoma State has generally been pretty decent program, but But Kansas State is kind of taking a step forward. And you know Texas out of the conference helps someone in that conference to be much better. you know No doubt about that. No doubt. um and I guess in a game that was that was should have given us an idea of what they were capable of, you know they they ended up losing. But you had an unranked air Arkansas team ah basically take Texas A and&M to the to the brink.
00:33:44
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Um, they did play them, played them tight and tough there until the fourth quarter. And then it was a field goal and a touchdown. And, you know, that's all it was. I mean, uh, and like I said, it was a precursor and we'll get to that in a second, but but what happened this last week? Uh, then you also had, um, who was the other one I was looking at? Oh, Michigan bear. I mean, and when I say barely getting by.
00:34:09
Speaker
They scored six points in the entire second half against Minnesota. who Minnesota put up 21 points in the fourth quarter. That kind of tells you how far Michigan football is gone. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. i It's a, ah you know, the Harbaugh leaving, I knew that having the impact. You, you would have thought, uh, that, uh, maybe You know they could. They could carry forward for another. Week, you know, another year. I mean, yeah maybe you know nothing up was there enough of Anna. The Michigan coach being a part of Harbaugh staff, right? You could carry it forward, but there forward it's certainly. ah
00:35:00
Speaker
Yeah, but it's it's certainly it certainly turned downward. and i think when he left i expect me to happen yeah well there's ah Lost kids the to the to the NFL draft, which you know that that's going to happen. you can't that's and and and You can't stop that. But they also lost a number of kids through the transfer report.
00:35:23
Speaker
Um, yeah, which was, which was surprising to me. I mean, you know, more being the, the guy that won them two games last year or two or three games when, when Harbaugh was, was suspended, you know, the players knew him. You wouldn't think they would bolt like that, you know, but yeah. is And the one, ah the one, one other upset is a a top 10 upset actually was Arizona beating Utah. Are we finally seeing the Utah weaknesses?
00:35:53
Speaker
Well, that could be. you know I yeah ah don't know a lot about Utah, and they were impressing people some ah early on. But you know Arizona, I think, is a decent team. So you know I don't think Utah is so much better than in the Big 12.
00:36:12
Speaker
You know, there should be any shockers there when you get one decent team, mean even a decent team just playing a pretty good team. You just shouldn't shouldn't be surprised. We'll shift. Yeah, well, we'll shift to last week and um I'm just going to rip the band aid off and get it started right away. What the hell happened to Missouri? Oh, we're all wondering that um I was worried about. I was worried about that game because I saw how how Vanderbilt took him to overtime. And it you know just didn't seem like the offense was in click. But in that game, nothing nothing worked, even the defense. of I thought the defense would certainly keep them in the game, and I was wrong about that. It just seemed that momentum started and went against them. They had a couple of done, and I'm saying this with my black and gold ripped off, a couple kind of bad calls that they called back a touchdown.
00:37:12
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And then they called back, they didn't make a pass interference call that would have set up another touchdown. This was early. And had those had they had they not called back that touchdown and had they called that pass interference call?
00:37:26
Speaker
You know, that that game might look a little different. You know, right it just seemed like when that happened, they they lost their steam and it just kind of came apart. So yeah this week they go to UMass so they can, you know, I expect them to win, but I don't know. I don't know. You know, I don't know. I took the steam. It took the wind out of the sails in Missouri. They went from a top 10 to they're just barely hanging on in the top 25. I think they dropped from.
00:37:55
Speaker
7th or 8th down to 23, 22. Yeah, they were 9th going in. I haven't looked at the this this week's rankings yet to see, you but yeah. They were leading for the upset.
00:38:11
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. So I mean, yeah. But, you know, Vanderbilt beat in Alabama. So that's one we'll we'll probably talk about. Well, you may sit you brought that up and you you mentioned Vanderbilt, Missouri, a tussle, at least Missouri can say they've beaten the team that beat Alabama.
00:38:28
Speaker
Yeah, they can they can say that and that's that's what's the head scratcher. It certainly is a head scratcher that will beat Alabama. I mean, it is, but I imagine it could be Alabama is riding so high after their win against Georgia. That was called the game of the century. You know, one of those times.
00:38:46
Speaker
And so they going down to Vanderbilt, to Nashville. Yeah. And I saw watch that game and there are a lot more of ah Alabama fans who were Vanderbilt fans. That's like a home game for Alabama. And they, may they, they, you know, it just was incredible that, uh, Vanderbilt pulled it off. And I don't think it was a big bluke. Uh, I think Vanderbilt is just a better team this year. I think they've shown it. I think they, they beat Virginia Tech early.
00:39:14
Speaker
They took Missouri to overtime it and in They had that bad loss against Georgia State, but they've, ah what are they now? Three and two? They're three and two now. I'm trying to think who they've, who they've, let me look their schedule up real quick here. I guess I'm a CBS app isn't working real well for some reason. Yeah, they lost to well they' beat Virginia State. They lost to Mizzou. And yeah, but they bugged, yeah, but they beat Virginia Tech.
00:39:41
Speaker
Um, and now Bama and of course, all corn, which we, you know, that if they didn't beat all corn, they probably didn't do anybody else. Um, but, uh, but yeah, I mean that, that was a crazy, I saw that scoring. Like you gotta to be kidding. There's no way Alabama's losing to Vanderbilt right now. Um, and did you see that? I saw the video after of the game afterwards where they actually took the gold students or whatever fans took the gold post down.
00:40:08
Speaker
and walked it across town and dumped it in the Cumberland River. Yeah, well, they were called, they played i believe that game. What was funny is they had a police escort clearing the way. Yeah, they knew that was going to happen. That was played in the in the the state of, I forgot the name of the stadium, I wear the tax plate.
00:40:30
Speaker
ah for and Yeah, that's down there by, and they did it to accommodate the Alabama fans. Vanderbilt's state was about 40,000 and First Bank Stadium is 65 or 70,000. And you know it's right there on the river. right so ah yeah So, I mean, it's it's close by, but yeah, I saw that. yeah That was pretty neat. if you if you That was funny. if Yeah, yeah, it was. So it was great.
00:40:57
Speaker
I'm sure it's a great time in Nashville that night. Oh, I'm there was there was many, many a bar didn't close on time that night. I can guarantee that for sure. ah Then you have I mean, I said we talked about there just a passel of upsets. I mean, Arkansas and I mentioned them earlier, you know. They slapped Tennessee upside the head.
00:41:24
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Yeah, you know, and I watched some of that game and you know Arkansas just hung in there in Tennessee for whatever reason. Couldn't put. I think in Tennessee look past him and Arkansas is better than they were last year.
00:41:35
Speaker
Oh yeah, they are. they're they're They're better than they were last year. They've shown it so far because they've lost some close games and they haven't gotten blown out by anyone. I don't think of the games they've lost. So yeah they're, they're, they're playing a lot better. And so Tennessee, I think they'll win in there and look past them and um you know, thought they could handle it and they, they, you know, Arkansas and found a way to win Arkansas found a way to win. So.
00:41:59
Speaker
Yeah. And then you had Minnesota, which I'd mentioned and a little bit ago, you know, taking Michigan to task. Well, then they turned around and they beat a number 11 USC by, by a touchdown 24 to 17. Um, let's see what else we got here. We got, uh, uh, and, oh yeah. Um, SMU beat Louisville. Um,
00:42:28
Speaker
not Yeah. Louisville was number what 15, 22 Louisville was 22 SMU beat them 22. Um, and we got, let's see, there's another couple of months here. sir Oh, Syracuse beat Utah or not Utah. Uh, and UNLV, excuse me, they beat UNLV. Um, Washington got their revenge against number 10 Michigan knocking them 27 to 17. Uh, I mean, it was upset. So I was glad Illinois didn't play last week. I mean,
00:43:00
Speaker
Yeah, there's a weekend for upset.
Debates and Predictions in College Football
00:43:03
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Cause my, and Miami barely escaped. They beat, they only beat California by one 39 to 38. No, that wasn't Berkeley, you know, but still, I mean, um, you know, Miami was undefeated going into that game and it's just, I said, it's, it's, uh, it's crazy. ah Let's take a quick look at the rankings and see where everything's going here. Um, all right. So with the coaches, the AP poll.
00:43:31
Speaker
Texas is number one. Ohio State is two. They're both up one spot. Oregon State is three. Penn State is four. They're both up three spots. Georgia State at number five. They were, in I guess, at five last week. georgia yeah Miami is up two to number six. Alabama dropped six spots down to because they were number one.
00:43:55
Speaker
And then they've dropped six spots out of number seven. Tennessee's down to eight. Ole Miss moves up to number nine. Clemson moves up to 10. Notre Dame moves up to 11. Tied with Iowa State.
00:44:10
Speaker
Um, LSU is 13 BYU 14, Texas A and&M is 10 is a 15 Utah drops out of the top, uh, the, out of the playoff, uh, race with us, not out of the race, but out of the 12 top 12 into 16th place.
00:44:30
Speaker
uh our 16th ranking uh noted our Boise State 17 Oklahoma 18 Indiana makes an appearance at 19 or at uh yeah 18 tied with Oklahoma Kansas State is up two there's three a three-way tie for 18th it looks like Oklahoma Indiana Kansas State Missouri is down to 21 Pittsburgh is down to is up to 22 Um, and that, and Missouri, I hate to tell you this, but Missouri had the biggest drop of 12 spots and Texas A and&M had the biggest level creative 10 spots. So yeah, big game. Well, people, people begin to buy into Texas A&M. They look kind of, you know, they lost an older game early in the year and they didn't look like, you know, they certainly didn't look like a, uh, a team that would make the playoffs, but they're, they're improving.
00:45:19
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's what would be an interesting team to monitor. The top 25 Pittsburgh is 22. Illinois is 23. Michigan is 24 and I am wrong now. ah Michigan dropped 14 spots, so they dropped further than Missouri did and SMU is up 13 spots, which is three more than what Texas A and&M is. So I was wrong. The biggest loser was Michigan State biggest gainer was SMU.
00:45:47
Speaker
Uh, so I, I mean, we're, we're in that, we're in that set section now where we're trying to maybe seeing the divisions of where these teams are at. And you know, what do you thought personally, I don't think Penn state is number four. I don't think Oregon's number three and I'm a big 10 guy. Um, yeah you know, uh, now, as far as the rest of them, you know, I don't know. I mean, uh, Tennessee, yeah, bad loss, but you know,
00:46:17
Speaker
I don't know. I mean, what do you think? I think Texas and Ohio State are right where they got them. But I'm like, im I thought this year with Penn State, this is a year James Franklin would make his move, yeah maybe ah go up the food chain a bit. ah hi The times I've seen them play, they don't seem like a top team to me. No, they're certainly a great good team. I think they're tied. I think they're playoff material. They're top 10, top 12, but I don't see him at ah number four. Yeah. Yes. So we'll see how this works out. I really don't know. I, you know, I haven't seen Oregon play this year. Uh, it's, uh,
00:47:04
Speaker
I watched a little bit of the game against Michigan State and, you know, they're good. They don't really impress me that much, but they're good. They're good. They're a good team. They're a good team. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know, to have to see, yeah. Yeah. Oh yeah. Definitely. It's still, I mean, as, as like you said, as, and you made mentioned earlier, the NIL stuff, as much as all that stuff changes, it makes huge differences on all these rosters.
00:47:32
Speaker
I mean, there's just no way you can say it doesn't make a difference with all the stuff. And so, you know, it may be kids getting just acclimated to their new surroundings and they're finally catching up. You just don't know how it's going to play. Let's take a look at what's on the schedule for this week.
00:47:49
Speaker
um take a quiies okay Well, let's see. Tomorrow night, Utah faces off against Arizona State. I don't see that as much of a contest to worry about. Of course, the way I didn't see a Arkansas, Tennessee is one to worry about. Hey, you know, ah Alabama's got South Carolina, Missouri's got UMass, as you mentioned, Clemson's got Wake Forest, Penn State's got USC.
00:48:18
Speaker
Texas, Oklahoma, that just for the rivalry purposes that that ought to be a good game so to watch. Yeah, that'd be interesting to see. I would expect. Let's take on that one. Let me see what we can expect. Texas has got a 14 and a half point spread. Oh wow. yeah Uh, that's pretty big for a game of that magnitude. Uh, and that might be, that might be right. Oklahoma hasn't really impressed anyone this year. Uh, and you know, Texas has been pretty steady. I mean, they've been, they've been winning the games you're supposed to win. So it should be an interesting game to watch. This is a two 30 game. So that should be an interesting game to watch. yeah yeah I'm looking forward to watching that one. Um, I was looking through here.
00:49:07
Speaker
ah I see Illinois is taking on Purdue. That should be a one they can handle. It should be one you can handle, but then again you would have thought that last year. um You know when we went, of course we did play at their place last year and this year it's going to be at Memorial Stadium. So I mean, you know I'm looking for a good good showing from Illinois on this one. um I think they're ready. I think they proved that they can play with the big boys. I mean they beaten two ranked opponents.
00:49:34
Speaker
Uh, yeah, they got, they got handled by Penn state, but you know, for the most part, until the last quarter, when they were making mistake after mistake, they were in that game, uh, really, really heavy. So, you know, I, I see that as a pot as a good one. Um, Ohio state, Oregon, here I think here's where we're going to find out when, or what Oregon's made of. That's going to be a seven 30 games. That's going to be a seven 30 game Saturday on NBC. And it's at Oregon.
00:50:03
Speaker
Yeah, that's at Corvallis. Yeah, that's a that should be a. That should be a game you everybody would want to watch. So yeah, find out why they're working. One of the. I want one place to find the odds and I can't find the odds that I'm looking for. I hate it when that happens. Well, the odds are spread in Ohio State 3. They got three point spread.
00:50:29
Speaker
three point spread that that's probably about right. I mean, well, yeah maybe not. I don't know it. Like you said with Oregon, I just, they're good. They just haven't really tripped my trigger. If you will. Um, the only other top 25 game involving two teams is old miss versus LSU. That's on ABC at seven 30. And that's going to be at tiger stadium. Um,
00:50:54
Speaker
So that ought to be, that, that should, that actually should be a good game. No misses nine LSU is 13.
00:51:03
Speaker
Um, that should be a truth. That should be a truth teller for both of them and, uh, what they've got and the spread on that is Ole Miss at three and a half. So, uh, you know, I, I don't know. I, I.
00:51:18
Speaker
I'd be willing is getting back to dispatch. I, I would take iowa Ohio state and give the points. Uh, Ole Miss boy, that's tough. I um'm I'm, I'm going to take you. Well, I think I'm, I'm with you on both those games. I think I'd take the points. Uh,
00:51:41
Speaker
Take Ohio State and give the points. Yeah, and then I do the same LSU. I take the points and I think I'd go with them. I think I would down there and I don't have a good reason why I'm
NFL Rookies and Future Stars
00:51:52
Speaker
doing that. I'm just kind of. You just started sounding good, so what the hell, right? ah Yeah, hey, that's alright. Ain't nothing wrong with that. um So. Will will will play a little. I mean, we don't do this often.
00:52:11
Speaker
Um, probably we haven't done it yet at all. Uh, but, um, what do you make of, uh, some of the rookies now that are that in the NFL, how they're Farron, any idea on it? Cause I haven't felt it followed that much. I've seen a couple, uh, a few games here and there. Um, are we seeing it? Cause you know, but back in the years past.
00:52:38
Speaker
When we've had cookies or, you know, stars leave and go into the NFL, you know, they, they, they get highlighted, they get, uh, talked about, and there really hasn't been a lot of anything. Um, you know, uh, I mean, are we, are the stars not as big as they used to be, or are we got too many of them anymore?
00:53:03
Speaker
Well, I don't know. I think it may go year to year. ah You know who hits the NFL. You know you got you caught me a little unprepared here done. I'm sorry I do that once I I apologize and do that. one i I watched Sundays I do channel surf the NFL games and I kind of try to stay on top of what's going on with the Titans. But you know and I really haven't you know I really haven't. I've even lost who the first draft pick was.
00:53:33
Speaker
I last year on college, so I don't know who to. I'm the same way I tried to follow. I try to follow the Illinois players and when I can. ah You know, I know we've got this Nick Algredi over at Kansas City playing the offensive line and you've got a couple other kids like. Browns in Seattle, well, Sydney's in Seattle, Chase is in either Cleveland or Cincinnati, you know, but I I I'm like you I.
00:54:04
Speaker
But I was just curious. It was just, I don't know why the thought hit me. It just, it just hit me that, you know, what do we make of these guys that are, that have left? And, you know, we don't hear anything about them really anymore. You know, right you know with dog go ahead.
00:54:18
Speaker
this might There's probably someone who knows a lot more about this than we do, but it could be one of those years where there's not a big, huge star that came out and, uh, you know, that, that we will be keeping our eye on.
00:54:31
Speaker
uh that we're keeping everyone's keeping their eye on this year so it's it's really it's really hard to say i you know i would imagine It's going to be a day when arch manning comes out and then everybody's going to be following him, you know, right. He comes out, yeah some someone like that, ah you know, across. So, you know, we'll just have to see. I'm i'm not, I'm not, I'm not that much of an expert to talk about it, but I'm like you. If ah someone from a zoo comes out, a high draft pick, I'd, you know, I kind of follow them for a while, see how they're doing. So anyway.
00:55:08
Speaker
are we are we I know I've been looking and there there's a lot of people posting Heisman stuff and who's considered. Is it too early to look at the Heisman yet?
00:55:20
Speaker
Probably so because I have no idea who I would be even keeping an eye on right now. I know there's probably the Heisman watch going on, but I don't think I've seen when this stands out.
00:55:31
Speaker
Uh, you know, that says, wow, this guy's, this guy or this guy or shoe ends. Right. homan So i I don't think there's anyone really that I know of, uh, that that's, that's, that everyone is talking about being a, a husband, uh, being a husband kid. I can't think of his last name is Brittany and Cade.
00:55:54
Speaker
Uh, I'm not sure where he plays. I mean, I, I, I hear these names all the time and I'm like, okay, you know, we've only got in little, many teams are only in them, maybe their sixth game. It was only halfway through the season, you know, and the like you said, like we've talked about before, the first three games were always against, um, and not always, but most, most of the time against, uh, if you're a big school against the also runs or the.
00:56:20
Speaker
Little sisters of the poor, if you will. Um, so it's really three conference games enough to get a, a beat on how good the kid may be for the Heisman. Yeah. I, I, I don't.
00:56:35
Speaker
Not for me. And, uh, I agree. I don't get more interested in this. We get farther down the road and there's more talk
Engagement and Closing Remarks
00:56:42
Speaker
about it right now. I'm just not hearing a lot of talk about, you know, we get, you know, we get around game nine, maybe game 10, you know, then maybe you start looking at who's leading, leading the country in this, you know, because after the first year of games, Illinois was one of the top defenses in the country.
00:56:58
Speaker
I mean, you know, but then again, yeah the schedule they play, you she should have been in one of the top three defenses. Yeah, right. But anyway, all right. Well, I tell you what, Russ, um it's been a good, good night. We've got a lot of things that's got some frustrations out. um You know, here and there. And I, and I got to tell people, uh, you know, if you hear this show, you're listening to this show, you know, and I know I've got listening, we've got listeners out there, uh, cause I do see the numbers. Uh, so let us know what you think, you know, hit me up on Twitter, uh, tso tb.gcs at, or excuse me, at tso tb. I, I'm starting to get my email address out.
00:57:42
Speaker
Excuse me, yeah don't do that. Don't do that. No, the, yeah, it's, it's at TSOTB GCS as the show's Twitter or X account, if you will.
00:57:53
Speaker
Um, so let us know what you think. I mean, if you, if you like what we're doing, if you think that we've got a good idea, uh, trying to get this stuff out to you guys. And, and again, you know, Russ and I aren't professional betters. We are not professional analysts. We don't work for the big 10, the SEC, the big 12, or anybody else. We are just a couple of good old boy fans from Illinois and Missouri that love to talk football, especially when it's taught when it's college football.
00:58:23
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00:58:51
Speaker
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00:59:16
Speaker
Well, on Twitter, I'm at F R Robinson, one nine five seven. Uncle Frank is my handle name. And I hang around some of the Mizzou Facebook groups, fan Facebook groups. So during the season, so, uh, you know, we'll I'll be, I'll be tweeting during games on Saturday. So we'll see how we go. Well, you you tweet during the games, I'll be at work and try and follow you. Yeah. Okay.
00:59:42
Speaker
Okay. All right. Well for my partner Russ Robinson, this is Don Glenn and we want to thank you for joining us tonight. And as always, until we meet you again, have fun, stay safe. We'll talk to you when we're talking the NCAA report. Good night everybody.