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The NCAA Report Pac-12 rebirth
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Don and Russ discuss the new rebirth of the Pac-12. Plus a review of games from the past 2 weeks and a look at the top 25.
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Introduction to the NCAA Report
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This is the Fuel Sports Network. Ladies and gentlemen, I've got a couple questions for you. Do you love college sports as much as I do? Are you always wondering where you can find the latest NCAA reports? Well, you've come to the right place. Welcome, sports fans, to Fuel Sports Presents, the NCAA report with Don and Russ.
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Get home.
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The moment you've all been waiting for here, they are your favorite hosts. Don Glenn and Russ Robinson. All right. Thank you, Devin Tynan for that introduction. This is the NCAA report with Don Glenn and my partner, Russ Robinson. Russ, how are things going down there in Missouri country? Well, pretty good. as As we were talking, it's pouring down rain here and we're getting the the back, we're getting the printing of that hurricane, but other than that, everything's doing just fine.
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Well, good. Yeah. I, as I said, yeah we don't really have much of that up here yet, but you know, we'll probably get some remnants of it down the road.
Recap of Last Week's Games
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So, well, uh, this is a second episode of the NC of the new and improved NCAA report. And a couple of weeks ago, we'd read our first episode. We had a few games that we, what we highlighted and I'm going to go over those real quick. And then we're going to kind of go over last week's, uh, uh,
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I don't know, you call them big games, but interesting games as we, as we figured it out last week, uh, we highlighted, uh, Texas, CNN and Notre Dame, Miami and Florida, Georgia Clemson and Penn state, West Virginia, of course, to all the bigger ranked teams won. And, uh, the only, the only downside to that was I said, I was going to take Florida state and give the point or take the points and take Florida. That didn't work too well against Miami, but right. Right.
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But now Notre Dame rolled over Texas A and&M, i likewise Maine over Florida, George over Clemson. And we thought that was a little, I thought that was going to be a, because i said they said the over under like 48 points and I thought it was going to be a little bit higher scoring than that and it actually was, but Penn State rolled West Virginia. so You know, we were, we were fairly, fairly confident in most of our picks. I only had the one miscue. So, you know, I'm happy with that. And that's not saying again, and I'm going to, when we get later in the show, when we start doing picks for this week, uh, please do not use us as your barometer for betting. Anything from week one, I step step out or a standout for you about, um I know we we're the week twos is, but I was thinking week one, is there anything that stood out for you on that week?
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Well, let me hold on. Yeah, I'm not pulling it up now myself. Yeah, I was just kind of. Yeah, I'm just kind of looking here. You know, it's just the fact that one thing that struck me was, I guess, two things, the fact that ah you know, Georgia just manhandled Clemson and you know, what's kind of going on with the Clemson program. Because it used to be, they not that long ago, they were national to championship contenders. In the last two, three years, they've just kind of fallen off. And and I don't know, you know, I don't know what's going on. The word is, is that a Darby, what's his, the coach's name?
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ah Yeah, we're doing the NCAA report, and I can't think of the Clemson's coach right now. off ah yeah i'm I'm drawing a blank myself. Hang on a second. Let me go. They said that he doesn't believe in working the transfer portal. He wants to build it through recruiting. And I think, you know, you and I have discussed that the new world is head coaches who can not only recruit, but work the transfer portal, you know, and because kids are going all over the place. You know, so you've got to be. sweeney
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darrow sweeney They got to be i almost said that. ah They got to be skilled. They've got to learn how to be skilled in bringing in talent to replace talent in that ah in the transfer portal. And that's what I've heard that Sweeney doesn't really want to do. He wants to just build it through recruits like he did in the past.
Notre Dame vs Texas A&M
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ah The other game that kind of hit me, of course, was Texas A&M and Notre Dame. We wondered what was going to happen there. and Uh, A and&M with a new coach and Notre Dame just kind of went in there and took care of businesses. So, I mean, it was, uh, at Texas at college station. So that was that was yeah that was impressive for Notre Dame. And maybe that's kind of what what happened.
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the last week to them, I don't know, you know, maybe they were still still right. Yeah. So anyway, so those are the two games that I can say right away that's stuck out to me that kind of made a statement. Yeah. You know, a couple of things that I had that a couple of upsets in week one that I I don't think either one of us thought about ah Boston College beating number 10, Florida State 28 to 13 in week one.
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um It was use that USC number 23 beat LSU 27 to 20. um And we'll get that we'll get to this team's ah exploits last week here in a minute.
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Northern Illinois beat Western Illinois 54 to 15 in week one. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, so I don't know if that was, if they were riding a big high after that game, but we'll get to that in a few minutes here. Um, and I was wrong. Uh, the Georgia Clemson game did not make the over-under. They only had 37 points between the two teams. I thought that was a higher score than that. My mistake. Um,
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Yeah. So week one, I mean, everything kind of went as most people thought, like I said, except for those two, those, uh, those other two games and, um, you know, like I said, Penn state rolled and you had, uh, had a good game between, um,
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You know, Vanderbilt actually won a game. So, you know, yes, yes. give Give them credit where credit is due. Absolutely. Absolutely. Virginia Tech came into Nashville and got, you know, Japan to build took care of business. So, I mean, you know, they did. And, you know, I was surprised, uh, and I'll get to it here in later on when when we go over the rankings, but Oregon has not run, run rampant. Like I thought they were going to.
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Mm-hmm. Yeah. I think, uh, matter of fact, I find that score from week one. Yeah, there it is. 24 to 14 over Idaho in week one. Right. Right. I mean, that's, but, uh, you know, and I think, uh, you had some, you know, Kansas state proved themselves that they, I think they deserved to be in the top 20.
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You know, I think you had a, you had a good, yeah it was, it was a week one. That's, that's basically what it was. It was a week.
Analysis of Iowa vs Iowa State
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So now getting into last weekend, uh, again, a number of upsets and I, I watched a couple of those. Um, and the first one I want to talk about is Iowa, Iowa state. ah hu I mean, yeah I watched that game and, you know, I was.
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They don't score a lot of points. Everybody knows that, but their defense has always been. so And for the first two quarters, they, they just clamped down and shut Iowa state off, but Iowa state came up and outscored Iowa 20 to six in the second half.
Northern Illinois' Upset Over Notre Dame
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I just don't know how that happened to to be honest with you. And then of course the shocker of the week.
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And we talked about it just a minute ago, ill northern Illinois 16 Notre Dame 14. Yeah. Yeah. that That's, uh, that's one of those games, you know, early in the season where, you know, Notre Dame probably let their guard down. And after that, we didn't take same. I don't know who they have this coming week. I haven't looked yet, but, uh, if they were looking ahead or what, yeah, I don't know. Yeah. Um, uh, Purdue. do Yeah. They've got Purdue three 30 on CBS.
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Yeah, it looks like that's at West Lafayette. Looks like that's there, so you know, it'll be that that'll be an interesting game to see what how Notre Dame bounce especially, way especially the way Purdue is played the last couple games.
Purdue's Potential in Upcoming Games
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I mean. You know they I'm not saying that they're there are a complete turnaround from last year. Let's see their first week. First game they beat. Oh, Indiana State 49 to nothing.
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And we can in week two, I guess, I don't know what they did in week one. They didn't. Looks like they didn't play gone. It was like they didn't play in week one. So yeah, they, so, you know, you don't know what to expect from them. I mean, Indiana state's not a big power, but you know, Purdue putting up 49 points. That's, that's not, on that's, that's not necessarily unheard of over the years, but recently it's not, it's, it's very unheard of. Yeah.
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Yeah. You know, even against the team, like, like, uh, Indiana state. So, um, but yeah, so that's going to be an interesting game.
Texas vs Michigan: A Turning Point?
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I think another one, uh, if we're talking about from, from this last, uh, this past week, which I think drew some level of, uh, contention was Penn state and bowling green.
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Bowling Green put up 27 points on Penn State. Yeah, and Penn State only won by seven. Yeah, you know, and Penn State's ranked number eight Oklahoma State's rank was ranked 60. Arkansas gave them a game. Matter of fact, looked like Arkansas had a 21 to seven lead at the half and right, right? Yeah, yeah, that was a yeah. Yeah, those game games were ah they were certainly interesting. Little like Arkansas was going to pull that game out, but they, you know.
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Oh yeah. ah Yeah. And then like you said, um Texas, Michigan, ah Texas just flat rolled them, roll them over. I just was no, I don't think even that was a contest. Um, looking at the box, looking at the box score. It was a 24 to three lead at the half for Texas and they just coasted after that. It looked like, uh,
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Well, that had to be a shock. I mean, that had to be a big disappointment to Michigan fans. Definitely. And that was up there at the Big House, too, wasn't it? Yes, it was. I believe that was at Michigan. That was at Michigan State in Ann Arbor. Yeah, that really impresses you with either Texas, what they've got this year, or maybe what, where, where the Michigan program is going to be. Well, Michigan did lose a lot after Harbaugh jumped ship. I mean, now they had a few graduations and co the the running back in their, in their quarterback. Uh, but they lost a few other guys, uh, to transfer portal, um, after Harbaugh, uh, left for the NFL. So, you know, I don't think they'll be down for long. I don't think this is something that you're going to look at and say,
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Um, you know, Michigan's done for, um, I mean, it is Michigan. It is still a premier school. And I think they'll, they'll rebound. Maybe they may take them this year. They may not make the playoff, but, um, we'll see another one. That's kind of personal to me. That was an upset Illinois taking down number 19, Kansas. Yeah. You know, that's an interest. That was an interesting game and I didn't get to watch it at all, but can just came in kind of flying high.
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And, you know, that was a chance for them to, you know, if they'd won the game, it just would have reaffirmed that the program is on its way up, but to lose a road game like that, i you know, I don't know. It kind of makes you wonder, you know, how much better they're going to be this this year, you know.
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uh, Illinois was a tough, um a tough game for them. But, you know, if you're building your program, you're on your, what you want to say, you're on your way up. You got to go out and win a road game like that. and Oh yeah. Yeah. That's one game you've got to win. I mean, because, you know, when they get into, when they get into conference play, it's, it's not going to be easy after that. So see if there's any other shockers I can look at real quick here. That's, uh,
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Yeah, that's kind of the, that's kind of all that. Well, I guess, uh, Houston gave, uh, Oklahoma a challenge there. Um, 16 to 12. Um, it looks like it was actually the Houston's fuel field field goal kicker against Oklahoma from what it was like. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and here's the, yeah, here's the other Oregon game, Oregon over, over Boise state by three 37 to 34.
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Oregon over boys state by three by three and Oregon was ranked number seven Boise state's not even ranked. Yeah. Yeah. You know, and that's, so I think that's, that's, that's another thing is that telling of maybe is Boise state that, that good now or is Oregon really slipping? Cause they didn't beat, uh, uh, their other game, the only one by what 12 or something. So, uh, you know, they're not rolling over people like they have, like they did last year.
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Yeah, oh you know, of course, one thing it's it's early in the season. It's hard to really make too much of a judgment on some of these teams, because I remember last year Alabama got kind of got handled by Texas early in the season, then almost got beat by South Florida down and down on that on that. Now that they weren't in Alabama, they were down in Florida, right? And I think I forgot that that's Orlando where they're at a Tampa, where they're at, wherever.
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ah Uh, that, that just darn near got beat. I've watched that game and it just looked like that they weren't going to be able to pull that game out. And of course, then we know what happened after that, you know, Saban made his adjustments and it went on a roll and he ended up beating Georgia. and championship game and going and going on to the playoffs.
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ah so you know it's really hard to to to make it's hard to make It's probably unfair to make too much of a just ah judgment on some of these teams right now. yeah right right As long as Oregon won, right now that's what they can take.
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You know, to the next game, you know, right? Yeah. Just get the win and move on. And, but, you know, I, I guess the, the, the one thing that may have some Oregon fans worried though, is that, you know, this is, this is not tough. Teams were actually playing right now and we're not, we're not rolling like we should, you know, and I don't know what their first conference game is. I know they got Oregon state this week.
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Looks like their first conference game is UCLA. I see.
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And that's going to be at UCLA. So, you know, and it will, but UCLA is not right now is not ranked. They're not having Michigan state after that. And then they got Ohio state week six. So now that they don't have, they don't have a really tough schedule for the big 10, you know, relatively speaking, of course. Uh, you brought up something to me. You, you texted me earlier today and we were, cause I was thinking about going one direction with the show.
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And you texted me earlier with this idea on the, on this rebirth of the pack. Well,
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Why don't you go ahead and start this discussion off?
Pac-12's Rebuilding Plans
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Because we both read it, so I just want to say, I want to get what your what your initial take was on this when you first looked at it. Well, I was surprised. It looks like something that's coming together ah from what yeah I read it at Yahoo Sports, and then I did a search and found a similar article as CBS Sports, but just to let everyone know who hasn't heard about it, Washington State and Oregon State, the lone survivors of the Pac-12.
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ah have are going out and they're going to bring in probably about 2026 from the Mountain West Boise State, San Diego State, Colorado State and Fresno State.
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to try to reimagine, as they said in the article, reimagine the the PAC-12. And the schools have applied for membership into the conference and were accepted. And that's what um that's what the article says. So it looks like it's going to happen ah yeah at the expense of the Mountain West Conference. But it looks like it's going to happen. I didn't know, I thought a merger with the Mountain West was probably what was going to happen. But apparently the negotiations with the Mountain West broke down right to do that. And so I guess Washington State and Oregon State just went out and got the schools. Maybe they thought they want it and and brought bringing them in. They still need, though, two more because I guess there's a two year grace period when a conference
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uh, implodes like what happened with the PAC 12 to, to reimagine or rebirth the conference as the, as what it was before. So they still need the only, yeah that only gives them six. They still need two teams because they have to have a minimum of eight teams. Yeah.
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And i you yeah, go ahead. And I've been looking and or listening to like you did after I read that article, I started trying to figure out, find anything I could find. Um, and there was a couple articles that I saw and and a couple of podcasts that I saw or listened to.
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that you know talking that they may try to go after teams from the ACC because there's still talk of the ACC maybe not being as stable as everybody thinks it is. um And you if teams have problems there, they could maybe pick Stanford and Cal back up.
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You know, because they, because if the ACC were to fall apart, even though Cal and Stanford have signed a deal with the ACC until 2035. Uh, they could, if the conference has issues and breaks apart or whatever, um, they could, I guess they have an out in their deal that way that they could leave that conference and go wherever they want, which could take them right back to, you know, the pack 12. Um, then there was talk of the, a them trying to get in and take teams from the AAC.
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which, you know, there's, there's a lot of candidates there. Um, that would fit. I mean, you're talking like, uh, you, you TSA to lane, uh, North Texas, uh, rice even would probably fit their bill. And then you're talking to Sunbelt conference. You got Houston and, um, uh, there's a couple others in the Sunbelt. Uh, so, you know, the question is, and I was listening to one podcast that was talking He, this one guy was saying he would love to see UNLV go into that 12, which, okay. I think that's pretty, but the one guy, another guy came on and said, it was just like a three man podcast said that he didn't think it would, that would happen because UNLV and lv in Nevada are kind of like.
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politically connected connected probably through this in the state of Nevada. Right. Where one goes, the other one has to go. Exactly. And he doesn't think he doesn't think Nevada would want to go or that the Pac-12 would want Nevada. Which, you know, because, and one guy brought up a really good point. I mean, the, the, the, I guess the thing from the Pac-12 was they're looking for schools with, you know, high, high academic standards, good programs, you know, good uh, athlete camaraderie and all this other good stuff. And one guy says, no, what the, what, what the criteria is who's got the better TV market. Right. Exactly. You know, and Vegas would bring in a good TV market. for um Right. But the university of Nevada probably wouldn't. Yeah. It would be redundant for them to try to bring both schools in if they were just looking, you know,
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They're looking for a TV market. i think I think Don, if they're going to go look for two more teams, they're going to have to stay regional. I don't see them trying to bring in oh the the Atlantic Coast Conference because of this. To make that affordable, they have to have a great TV contract.
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You know, the big 12 and the, I mean, the big 10 and the SEC, and I guess the ACC was able to do it, was able to make it, it's affordable. If you can get, hook on to that TV contract, it makes affordable travel across the country, it must. I can't see right now that the Pac-12,
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with those schools can put together a competitive TV contract with the- Well, power one of the article i ah I was looking at said that, um and I'm trying to find it right now here, but it was basically going back and saying that even though it's just Oregon State and Washington State, they still have a pretty good pile of cash uh, considering from the playoff last year, football playoffs and the final four that when those teams leave a conference, they've got to pay to get out of that conference. Right. They had to pay you out of that TV contract too. So pack 12, so the pack 12, uh, Oregon, Oregon or Oregon state and Washington state, they actually have some money to play with.
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and and i and And I don't think, I don't see them going to the East. the only way The only reason I see them going maybe to the ACC or yeah, it would be, like I said, if, cause there's rumors of Florida State, Duke and North Carolina leaving the ACC and going either to the SEC or some other place, um there's talk of the big 10 moving into that area. um you know And if that were to happen within the next couple of years,
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and the ACC lose a few teams here and there, you know, then I can see Cal and Stanford saying, wait a minute, we didn't sign up for this. Right. And then, you know, why are we traveling over here for this? When we can stay local and play Fresno State and and and all these other teams and and cut our travel budget down.
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So that's the only reason I'm saying that they might go ACC route is if, is if the ACC has problems and you know, PAC 12 could talk to their, their former team, former, uh, conference mates and say, Hey, you want to come back in? you know Yeah. Yeah. But, uh, but yeah, I mean, it's, it's very interesting. And I, I, I really have to wonder, you know, what's the mountain West going to do now? Well, I don't, you know, they, the,
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you know, that could be a big hit for them. If they lose those schools, you know, they'll have to write, write another conference somewhere. Uh, you know, maybe the whack or someone like, yeah I guess, I don't know, yeah way old or somebody. Yeah. They're going to have to, they're going to have to yeah take something from somebody. I mean, yeah it's just, uh, it's, it's really interesting. And I found that to be kind of funny. Oh, here's one thing. Um,
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So many around, I just did a little quote here, I just found some many around college athletics express surprise that UNLV was not included in the PAC 12's initial phase of expansion located in major city with the football cramer program on the way up. However, and as we just discussed, politics are at play.
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And according to those with knowledge of the discussion separating the two university of Nevada, Nevada, and UNLV is a hurdle. Doesn't mean it can't be done. Perhaps at a later date, it says, uh, they could eventually move together to the PAC 12 or the hurdle is crossed and UNLV moves alone. Yeah. Well, this a similar situation happened, uh, back when the big 12 was first breaking up, uh,
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Nebraska and Colorado, Missouri, Texas A and&M are all leading. right in the pac twelve And the was out trying to expand. Now this is before they did. I forgot who they took in. but They made apparently made an offer to Oklahoma, and they wanted Oklahoma. ah A lot of people wanted Oklahoma, even the SEC wanted Oklahoma at one point. and they Oklahoma couldn't go oh because of a similar situation. They were tied politically to Oklahoma State. Where they went, they'd have to go to take Oklahoma State with them. right and yeah It was a redundant
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to bring the Oklahoma State because it's the same market. The Oklahoma State doesn't have the national brand and Oklahoma does. So those two conferences said this won't help us ah if we if we if we take Oklahoma State. It won't help us, you know, SEC or the Pac-12. So Oklahoma stayed and made things happen. But the situation changed where Oklahoma just, you know,
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ah They got where they just couldn't. They just couldn't sit and wait. You know, they just they would have made their move. So well yeah, so that could be something to what's going on in Nevada. Yeah, why and I'm looking here also where it says the a couple other teams are talking about is New Mexico State and UTEP.
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um coming out of kind conference USA, maybe could be targets for the pack 12. And we're talking about money that, that schools have to pay with. They leave the conference for those four schools that are leaving the mountain West, the mountain West conference could stay, it could see as much as a $110 million dollars in exit penalties for those. you are Right. Right. They're going to have a budget to work with, to attract some teams.
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Yeah, yeah know they've, they've locked in cause they had a TV contract. If I think right with the CW, someone like that, I believe so. if Yeah. Now, now the other, the only other issue they've, they're talking that they've talked about now is they've already made the adjustment and the pack 12 was no longer a power five.
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and Not with those teams, they're not going to be a power five. i mean they there There's no way they could, they'd have to add at least another four teams. And to, to realistically be a power five, they'd also have to have some basketball, um, programs that work. And the only problem is out West, you don't have outside of places like Gonzaga and, uh, uh, St. Mary's, but they don't have football teams.
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And now you're splitting, now you're, you're, you're expanding this conference into all these other teams that don't have this or don't have that. And, you know, that could be just, uh, that could be a a hornet's nest for it's all said done. Exactly. Exactly. You know, so, you know, but, uh, Hey, we'll see, we'll just have to keep an eye on this and see what happens and we'll make sure we we do keep an eye on it for you guys. And, and we'll report anything we find out and we see what's happening and what's going on.
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And we are back. This is Don Glenn and Russ Robinson with the NCAA report. Um, play wrestling. Let's take a look at the top 25 and see how and i
NCAA Top 25 Rankings Update
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I didn't. And I should have looked at week two where they came from, but I didn't. So, you know, that bad on me. Uh, but thank God for CBS sports wires. They kind of tell me where everything went anyway.
00:32:53
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In week one, you know We know we were talking about is way too early to try and rank teams and we knew Everything was gonna this flip-flop somewhere or some things were gonna go down some things are gonna go up Some things are gonna stay the same well in in week one the top five were Georgia, Ohio State, Oregon, Texas and Alabama and Now in week three Going or going into week three I should say and It's Georgia, Texas, Ohio State, Alabama, and Ole Miss. Now, that's not a big shift. um Texas is only up two spots. Ohio State's down one. Alabama's up one, and Ole Miss is up one from week one. A couple of teams that have made huge, and I'm talking big moves, is USC is now ranked number 11.
00:33:53
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That's up 12 spots from where they were at in week one. yeah ah Tennessee is up eight spots from where they were at in week one. They're now number seven in the nation. ah Notre Dame is down 11 spots after that loss to Northern Illinois.
00:34:14
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I mean, that, that hit them hard. Uh, actually, that's a total, I guess from 13 from last week. So they went, they moved up a couple last week, I guess. Um, and, um, Missouri's made a nice jump. Uh, there are five spots, uh, from, uh, uh, 11 to six. Um, Oregon went all the way down from three to nine.
00:34:43
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Michigan took a big hit as well. They're all the way down from ah number nine to number 17.
00:34:54
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um you know And there's we've got some new teams that jumped into the rankings this week. Louisville jumped in at number 19. Nebraska jumped in at 23. Boston College, who's Missouri's next opponent,
00:35:12
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jumped in at number 24 and Northern Illinois is now number 25. yeah um And, and, and just, just to to beat my chest here, since you guys are already in Illinois is only 13 points out of the 20. So there's actually 26th in the nation. If you want to write the 25 plus one, ah yeah you will yeah I mean, does, does, does any of those really.
00:35:41
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I mean, I guess the one that shocks me the most is USC coming up so much. I mean, I didn't get it. Nobody made a big deal of the two game and they're two and oh, nobody made a big deal of the whole of what they've done. Uh, yet the the voting body seems to think that they, they deserve to be a higher than we're much higher than where they were. Yeah, I don't yeah i don't know. I'm a little surprised it's up that high, but they They won a game that they needed to win. So they got rewarded for it. yeah um You know, looking at the top 10, there's going to be a lot of adjustments, I think. I um would not be surprised if Georgia and Texas and Ohio State kind of stay where they're at. I i just i just think they're the cream of the crop. yeah The rest of them, I'm not sure. You know, I'm just not sure about
00:36:38
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Uh, anyone else, you know, even my Missouri Tigers, uh, they'll get tested this weekend. Um, and Ole Miss, I'm, I'm still not sure. I, it seemed that seems high to me. They don't be the number five team in the country. So I think there's going to be a lot of, uh, movement falling out as the season goes on. So, i um, you know, it's, it's really hard to take USC that seriously at what number eight, nine, what are they, uh, 11.
00:37:06
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11 it's really hard for me to take them seriously as 11 best best team in the country. So it's a lot to be played out. So I just I read those three I talked about. I think those are the three. That's the cream of the crop crop right now and I wouldn't be surprised if they stay yeah those three schools. um i georgia I did miss the team. Iowa State also is new into the top 25 coming in at number 20.
00:37:33
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after they did they beat Iowa. So, you know, there you go. to do some Big jump for them. They got rewarded for it. Yeah, they did. The teams that are now that are pretty much have gone out of the top 25. Kansas is now out of the top 25. Florida State is out of the top 25. Texas A&M is now out of the top 25. Iowa's out of the top 25. NC State's out.
00:38:00
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so you know and Just to give you a way, it's Georgia, Texas, Ohio State, Alabama is the top four with the an Ole Miss, I should say top five. Then it's Missouri, Tennessee, Penn State, Oregon at nine, Miami at 10. Then UCLA comes in at 11. Utah stays number 12. Oklahoma State is now 13. Kansas State is 14. Oklahoma is 15. LSU is 16.
00:38:30
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Michigan is 17, Notre Dame as I said, they took a big hit there down to 18. Louisville is 19, Arizona moved up one there 20. Iowa State's 21, Clemson is down eight spots to 22. Nebraska comes in at 23, Boston at college at 24 and as I said, Northern Illinois at 25.
00:38:56
Speaker
ah yeah and And as we know, they're, this is still the non-conference schedule for the most part. I mean, there was a couple of conference games played, uh, which I think is just an odd ball idea to play the ah conference game in the first three weeks. I just, I'm still not getting used to that yet, but the big 10's done it now for about three years. So you'd think I'd be getting used to it by now. Um, so I mean, is there any, uh, is there any team, like you said, we talked about Ole Miss, uh, Missouri.
00:39:25
Speaker
And I'm not, I'm not trying to be a board and start a border war here. Uh, but are they really a number six in the nation? Well, I'm not convinced that they are, you know, I mean, um, they, they've done what they've needed to do so far to move. They started out what 11th or 12th or something like that, but they've done these two games. They've done what they needed to do. They, they hand, they, they, they pretty well.
00:39:50
Speaker
put these teams under pretty early and they took care of business. right And, you know, so that's what they're supposed to do. Uh, so the other teams that didn't, and they moved up. And so I don't see them as six bits team in the country. Uh, but you know, uh, we'll see, you know, Boston college, Oh, uh, that that's a right team. I think, yeah, they they are now 24 in the nation.
00:40:14
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Yeah, that'll be a good game and that'll be an interesting game for both teams to see where they're really where they're at if they if they've earned their ratings or not. So exactly exactly so alright. One other one other thing that I'm going to look at is that you've seen the you know last week we made the comment and about the big 12 being very prominent in the back end of that top 25. And. um You know, it's, it's the big 12 is moving up a lot of spots. I mean, you've got Utah, Oklahoma state, Kansas state, you know, right there, 12, 13 and 14.
00:40:59
Speaker
You know, where they were, I mean, Utah was, was 12, but Oklahoma was down at 16 and Kansas state was down at 18 and week one. You know, so you're seeing those teams move up. Um, but like I said, you also seen teams drop out like Kansas, Texas A and&M, uh, no, Texas A and the SEC, excuse me. i' Um, you know, so I don't know. I mean, like you said, it's still real early and I think a lot of teams.
00:41:27
Speaker
It's going to be probably what? What would you say two weeks into the conference schedule before we really get and a good idea of who's who? I think yeah, I think so. I think we're talking about ah early to mid October, Don. I mean, we really need to see this thing play out. ah ah You know, it's almost the top 25 rating right now is almost kind of a little bit worthless. You know, really, yeah, they could. Yeah, you know, they waited till ah you know, early, maybe did the first poll in early October or, you know, I've already think it seemed to me in October when we really can see how things are shaken out, you know, so most of these schools will be well into their conference schedule. So we'll begin to see, see some separation maybe. Oh, for sure.
Upcoming Game Predictions and Challenges
00:42:15
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Well, games coming up this week.
00:42:18
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We say we're going to be doing, we're going to start trying to do some odds here on, on games. And, uh, let's hope like heck we, we don't influence too many people to bet the wrong way. Um, one, I think this, this is going to be a big test. I think, um, for a couple of teams is LSU versus South Carolina.
00:42:44
Speaker
And I mean, game cockatuna, LSU is 0 and 1. And I think right now, the way it looks. are there one in one They're and 1, Don. They're 1 and 1? What's got them? Yeah, they're 1 and 1. OK, maybe um'm it's got them as 0 and 1. So maybe did that first game not count, maybe? Well, I'm looking at the this week's schedule. They they lost to yeah who they lose to. I forgot who they lost to. but They won. ah They won a game easy last week, I think. Yeah. But they're one in one in South Carolina's two and all. So el she was one of those teams that's rated a little higher coming into the season because expectations a little higher. Now they're 16. I'm looking at the ESPN poll at 16. So yeah. um So yeah. um They're going to Columbia, South Carolina. and So we'll see. They'll be a good.
00:43:42
Speaker
That game is going to be a good one for. For both teams, I'm not sure I had much expectation for South Carolina this year, right? Right now it looks like. South care or LSU's this is a six and a half point favorite. OK. That might be fair, yeah.
00:44:04
Speaker
Another one that I think is going to be interesting just because I, I, really like it. Anytime, um, Wisconsin gets their butt handed to them, uh, is they play Alabama this weekend. Uh, and BAM was a 15 and a half point favorite. And I don't see that as being any, any big, uh, problem one that does interest me.
00:44:30
Speaker
Arizona and Kansas state and Arizona is a seven point underdog. Now, Kansas state's 14th, Arizona's 20th. And let's see, where is it game at? That game is at Manhattan. can Yeah, that's an interesting. I don't know much about Arizona. I don't either, but it just seems interesting to me. It's a big. It's now a big 12 game. It's a conference game for the conference game, yeah. Yeah, and so you know that should be one of the interesting just. Because I followed Kansas State more over the years and I have Arizona, I'll take Kansas State. You know that what's the what's the difference on that seven?
00:45:13
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seven state is a seven point favorite. Well, I might take that, you know, I might give the seven points. I might, I mean, I'd be, I'd be almost inclined to take that as well. Then we've got, let's see what else we got in here that, uh, uh, Purdue and Notre Dame, uh, Notre Dame's only a 10 and a half point favorite after their loss to, um,
00:45:41
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Uh, Northern Illinois and looking at this CBS page where they've got a bunch of different guys that pick what it is. They're out of the seven guys that are on this list. There's only two of them taking Notre Dame and giving up the 10 and a half. Okay. Yeah. The other five guys are taking the 10 and a half and we're taking Purdue in the 10 and a half.
00:46:05
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Yeah, that's an interesting, interesting little thing there. ah um Oh, wow. Kentucky and Tennessee. Oh, uh, not Georgia and Kentucky.
00:46:19
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No, no, excuse me. Excuse me. Uh, no, that's can't stay. Yeah. I'm sorry. I was looking at, I was looking. I saw, I saw key K and I thought it was going to tell you, no, it's heads can't state. I'm my mistake. My mistake. yeah Um, Oklahoma's only a 13 and a half point favorite over to lane. Yeah, they haven't played really well. So I can, yeah. Two lane has, I think, yeah I don't think, uh,
00:46:46
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I don't. Yeah, I'm not. I'm seeing what what you say and you're seeing how many points. Let me get back to it here. 13 and a half.
00:46:57
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Yeah, that's what I'm seeing here. 13. Yeah. Um, I don't know. I'm not sold on Oklahoma, so so I'm just not sure. I'm not sure. I'd, uh, I might stay away from that one altogether. I think, I think I probably would myself, and that doesn't seem like a ah good bet for anybody. Uh, really Taylor to two two so schools, you know, you've guys have got Boston college come up and we get central Michigan.
00:47:28
Speaker
you know Yeah. and Well, yeah you got y'all be, you know, Illinois beat Kansas last week. So that was, uh, uh, you know, you've had a, you've had a big game. Missouri just haven't been tested yet. So this will be be their test. This will be their test. You think so there right now I'm seeing, Don, they're given Mizzou 16 points.
00:47:48
Speaker
Yeah, um I think that's fair. Yeah, maoo I'm a Mizzou fan, so I probably wouldn't bet against the Tigers, but if you weren't a Mizzou fan, I might say, you know, you might want to consider taking the 16, you know. Yeah, go with the good that's a big that's a big difference, but You know, and the reason I say that is Bill O'Brien is a good coach. And, you know, yeah I'm just not so sure Missouri is going to win, but more than two touchdowns. I don't know that, you know.
00:48:21
Speaker
I think you know Boston College could slip up on them. So I don't know. But that's just me. Well, i and and and and that's a valid point. I mean, it in any of these teams that we're talking about, you know yeah all it's going to take is just one bad game, one bad order. you know ah And you can flip an entire ball game in a hurry.
00:48:44
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Um, you know, i yeah if you look at, I mean, uh, like I said, the, uh, I'm looking at this, uh, Miami or not Miami, um, Minnesota, Nevada. I mean, you're talking to seven, it says they're talking Minnesota is a 17 and a half point favorite. And they're all in one against the Nevada squad. That's one and two. I mean, so I'm not sure exactly how they come up with these numbers. Um,
00:49:12
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You know, you look at, uh, uh, teams that just got knocked out like Iowa, they're got, they get, they get a redemption of sorts. They play Troy, you know, that's why I think you're right. And a lot of respects that, you know, when they, when they were looking at so many of these games early in the season, you know, the top 25 and how the games are going to get played and who's the the favorites and who's the winners. I think we, I think we do tend to overplay it a lot.
00:49:42
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you rock And I think I'm like you. I think, you know, if we wait till the second week of the, of the conference season, you know, then they've, they've got a conference game under the belt. Then they've got the pre-season or the, the non-conference under the belt. You've got something to judge by. So I do, I do, I do believe in that for sure. I guess what do you expect probably to see?
00:50:08
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in the next couple weeks as far as like you said, who's gonna, we we we could pretty much agree that Georgia, Texas, Ohio State, probably Alabama are gonna stay up in that and that upper tier between one and six maybe somewhere. Who do you think is a good challenge that group? Well, I mean, geez,
00:50:34
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Donna, You know, the a lot of people, and you know, I'm not really one of them, but I know a lot of people think Ole Miss is ready to make their move with Lane Kippen. I mean, they're up pretty high right now. I'm not really sold on them. I'm not really sold on Tennessee being up there. um okay So, you know, I could be wrong, but, the you know, a lot of people are kind of thinking it's, it's Ole Miss is one that that could be making a challenge for that.
00:51:07
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oh You know, I'd like to say Penn State, but you know, I saw what they, you know, they struggled last week. Right. yeah But, you know, that, that just could be an early season thing. They do, you know, I keep expecting James Franklin to take Penn State into, into an area and, you know, get them past. Now that Michigan has got a new coach and Harbaugh has gone to, you know, Penn State to make their move. Oh, they still got Ohio State to deal with.
00:51:37
Speaker
Yeah, Ohio State, that's right. So, you know, maybe Penn State, maybe Ole Miss. So, i you know, I'm not, I'm so right now, I'm so lukewarm on all these teams. I'm just not sure there's anyone um ah what I'm saying. Well, watch out. One team that intrigues me, and the reason it does is because that I keep seeing them mentioned in a lot of different polls, a lot of different playoff predictions. And next and that's Utah.
00:52:07
Speaker
Um, they're, they're, they're always being mentioned in the, in a couple of the different, uh, uh, playoff prediction things I've looked at and try and tried work on writing about Utah keeps coming up as, you know, going to be like in that 10, 11, 12 spot. Um, and right now they're sitting at number 12, um, have been since the start of the season.
00:52:32
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Um, that's the highest ranked big 12 team. So you, you would think, you know, someone from the big 12 is going to make the playoffs, you know, so, well, yeah, they have to, I mean, that's, that's the given. But, you know, looking at the rest of the big 12, I mean, Oklahoma state, Kansas state, Kansas, Iowa state, there's really not in, in, in real terms, who is there to challenge Utah at this point without Texas and without Oklahoma?
00:53:01
Speaker
Right, right. ah Yeah, I don't know. And I'm like, you know, it's um those other teams you mentioned, it's hard for me to imagine them as a contender.
00:53:14
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And I don't know much about Utah, but they've had those, you know, they're kind of one of those traditionally has traditionally a good program. So, uh, I mean, it's conceivable they can maybe be the one to be intrigued by, yeah. I mean, it's conceivable. They could go on a pretty good run here, get 11, 10, 11 wins.
00:53:33
Speaker
And, you know, then you've got to stop and think, okay, well, they're obviously going to win that conference. So they'll get a ah top four, um, uh, seed, but you know, wearing that top four, do they go?
00:53:48
Speaker
I mean, you know, is Georgia going to have another is, uh, you know, are we going to see another undefeated season by any of the top, uh, the, the current big boys we're looking at Texas, Ohio state, Alabama, Georgia. I don't think so. I don't think any one of those four will have an undefeated season. Right. Now, how many losses they're going to have is another story. Right. Right. Yeah. And the fact that two of the three of those, three of those four are in the same conference. Yeah. Yeah.
00:54:18
Speaker
Yeah. Uh, you know, we'll see. I don't, uh, you know, Utah could be the sleeper team that no one's really, uh, yeah. No one's really looking at the radar. Yeah. Flying under the radar. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
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