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Justice for Dalia
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Adora Nwofor, the president of Black Lives Matter YYC, joins us to discuss the case of Dalia Kafi's brutal and violent encounter with Constable Alex Dunn of the Calgary Police Service, the aftermath and what's being done to get justice for Dalia.
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Guest Introduction: Adora Nofor
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Friends and enemies, welcome to The Progress Report. I am your host, Duncan Kinney. We're recording today here in Amiskwichiwa Sky again, otherwise known as Edmonton, Alberta, here in Treaty Six territory on the banks of the Kasis-Kasa'a, or the North Saskatchewan River.
Political and Social Climate in Alberta
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Joining us today to discuss the details of an incredibly troubling and sad case with the Calgary police is Adora Nofor. She is the president of Black Lives Matter YYC and Adora. Welcome to The Progress Report podcast.
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Thank you for having me, Duncan. Um, I love your intro friends and enemies. Cause I know that I talk to those on a regular basis, both of them. Oh yeah. We know, we know we have some haters who are listening in. Uh, definitely. Um, I also love, uh, your intro where you talk about Edmond. And, uh, I am.
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in Treaty 7, which is Mokinstis, on the elbow river. So it's great to be here. It's great to know that I have space to have these conversations that's going to hear me. And if they don't, I won't stop.
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Well, no, it's a pleasure to have you on and grateful you could make the time. And it's everything is fine and normal in Alberta. We're talking at just a very normal time where people aren't protesting at hospitals and our government isn't refusing to do anything about a deadly fourth wave. You know, I am the dog on in the fire and everything is fine. Everything is fine in Nigeria. They call it suffering and smiling. So.
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I mean, we are, we are doing it everywhere. Uh, I've been trying to do some healing myself because, whoa. Hmm. Alberta, Alberta. This isn't new. That's the thing. This isn't new. Us talking about it is new. It being on film is new. Uh, people pretending that they care in public is new. Uh, everything else. Put quail closed.
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Fair enough. Yeah. So
Constable Dunn's Assault on Dahlia Caffee
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the big reason I wanted to bring you on, Adora, is to talk about the case of Constable Alex Dunn of the Calgary Police Services, uh, specifically his assault of a black woman named Dahlia Coffey that happened in 2017. I know you've been seeking justice for Dahlia Coffey and the actual consequences for Dunn, uh, for quite some time now, haven't you?
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Yeah, I mean, unfortunately, I did not know about this in 2017 or 2018 or 2019. I found out last year, like many people, which tells me that there is so much going on. We don't know anything. We don't. And so last year I found out because the media released it, the video of Delia being brutalized or
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no reason and there is never. So we really started pushing back. So outside of Black Lives Matter protesting or because there's so much, there's so much that we need to interrupt and change. So we really geared up again in 2021.
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after Alex Dunas was sentenced and after we lost. Oh, yeah. So we went right to the source as closely as we could get. And we were at the Calgary Court Center every day from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m., speaking every Monday to Friday from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m.
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pretty intense and in the scheme of things it's not enough but so much more than what we
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So I will run through the kind of Kohl's notes for this case so that people know why you were doing what you were doing and protesting outside of the Calgary Court Center. Because the details of this case, I mean, are shocking and sad and they show how broken our systems are and demonstrate why you would take the time to do what you did. So on December 30th, 2017,
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Dahlia Caffee, a 26 year old black woman, was arrested by Constable Dunn for breaching her curfew. The context of this arrest is that Caffee had been at a friend's house braiding hair. She had been drinking some beers and hanging out and she got a ride home from another friend around 10 30 p.m. This was 30 minutes past her curfew. The car that she was in was pulled over by police for making a turn on a yellow light.
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worried that she'd be in trouble for breaking her curfew. Caffee lied about her identity, giving Dunn her sister's name. And then once Dunn found out that he had been given a false name, he arrested her and brought her into the arrest processing unit at the downtown Calgary police station. And feel free to jump in any time, either to just interject or to add commentary, but
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At this point, at the US processing unit, this is where the video that you were talking about, this is where it begins, right? This is where it continues because to be on probation and being curfew means that there has been an experience prior to this and it probably wasn't Sunday tea.
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Yeah, the reporting that I saw in this was that she, there was like an assault that had been, like it hadn't gone to trial or anything, like it was an alleged assault. And that one of her conditions of being released was a curfew. Right. The reason I'm saying continuing is, you know, we're innocent until proven guilty, we're told. And so obviously the previous interactions were not pleasant.
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uh for an innocent person and for coffee to feel like they need to protect themselves is important but yeah um it was warranted
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So the video starts here. She's in the arrest processing unit. She is, she's handcuffed with her arms behind her back. She, they are attempting to take a photo of her to get her mug shot done, done steps closer to her attempts to remove a headscarf that she's wearing. Kathy reacts to this by, by backing away, by moving her head away and kind of taking it half a step to back.
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Done, then, without any warning, kind of suddenly and viciously throws Kathy into the ground face first with her hands handcuffed behind her back. Clearly, you can see her hands handcuffed behind her back in the video. The first thing to hit the ground is her face. She does not have her hands free to break her fall. And her face hits the ground heavily. This is a brutal takedown.
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Um, you know, after she stands up, blood can be seen on the floor. You know, she suffered a broken nose. She had to get stitches in her lip. She very likely received a concussion. And this is all caught on very clear surveillance video within the arrest processing unit. And this video was eventually made its way to the public through this court case. Right.
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And I remember seeing this video, this video went international, right? Like this was last year, during the summer, the height of Black Lives Matter and people in the streets. And this was a very clear instance of police brutality on a young black woman. In Calgary. In Calgary, yeah. In Calgary. Because often that's what we hear. That doesn't happen here. That's not here. It's not happening.
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But it is. Yeah, clearly. And eventually this case, he is charged with assault and it makes its way to court. And this court case, he's charged with assault causing bodily harm. This court case is why the video eventually makes its way out into the public sphere.
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And Constable Dunn's defense of why he did this is hilarious. Apparently he believed that Caffee had slipped her handcuffs and that he thought that she had slipped her handcuffs because she had grabbed his wrist somehow that was on her shoulder.
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Um, I believe the prosecutor called it, uh, that said that this defied physics and common sense. Um, he felt that he, because she had slipped his, the handcuffs, she was about to attack him with her free hand that had the handcuffs around it. Uh, Adora, uh, what do you make of Constable Dunn's, uh, excuse that he offered his defense that he offered up at trial? Oh, I mean, there, there's no excuse. How dangerous are handcuffs?
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as a weapon. I mean, we need to break somebody's face for that. Aren't you a police officer who knows how to defend yourself? You couldn't have stepped back? No, no, none of those are defenseless. And in my personal opinion, why do we need to take off a headscarf? Why are we not getting some sense for that?
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It's all, in my personal opinion, it's all nonsense. I don't understand it. Dunne's own defense lawyer was reduced to making this argument in court. The video, as clear as it is, doesn't tell the whole story.
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I mean, it's interesting because black women are so often misconstrued. I mean, this is why we must be over policed at every moment because nothing that we say, do, or that people are seeing is some of the full story. The amount of times I'm asked for contact for everything at every moment,
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It's, I mean, it just speaks to how embedded racism is in the world and specifically here in Calgary. And to think that somebody half your size does. What more stories do you need? Well, more stories, you've touched the woman's side, you didn't ask to touch it. She moved away from you to, I mean, how many times had she fought him previous to that?
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She's in the handcuffs. You didn't think that he put the handcuffs on properly? Or was she so small her hands got out of the handcuffs? Which speaks to, I mean, we can do this for the rest of my life, making up ridiculous stories and excuses as to why a black woman was brutalized, because that's what we've been doing for 400 plus years. So it's trash.
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And I mean, I thought we were supposed to tell the truth in court, but that's obviously not happening.
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It certainly seems incredibly unlikely, that's for sure. And despite this ridiculous defense, the judge did not make any determination of perjury or really make any kind of finding that this was ridiculous. But the judge did eventually find Constable Dunn guilty of assault causing bodily harm, but gave Dunn an egregiously light sentence one month
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uh, half to be served under house arrest, half under a curfew. And, and the judge, did the judge, I, there's a quote from the judge. I'm not even going
Analysis of Sentencing and Police Accountability
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to read it. It just makes me angry. Like it's, it was a ridiculous, um, sentence. The crown is appealing the sentence, uh, consul. Let's hear the quote because folks need to hear how the justice system is treating black women.
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All right, here's the quote from Judge Christopher. I do not find it necessary to separate the offender from society, said Christopher. This was an egregious mistake. His actions, while harmful, were not premeditated. You know, like as a person who lives in racism and experiences it every day, you would think that some things become innate to you.
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So, if you drive a car, you would put your foot, you know, usually if you, you know, most people drive, the right foot is what you use to press on the gas and the brake. And, you know, if you do that every day, in my personal opinion, that's what Alex has done.
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That's the society that we live in and Alex practices racism and has been practicing racism. So he 100% thought about racism before he interacted with Zalia. Yeah, and the judge gave out such a ridiculous sentence that even like Calgary Herald opinion columnist Gould, Alicia Corbella thought that it was ridiculous. There's a headline.
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Quote, Officer deserves harsher discipline for violent takedown caught on video, where in that story she interviews five cops kind of off the record who all said that Dunn should be fired.
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There's a quote from this story that I think is worth highlighting. It's from an officer who was speaking anonymously. When you cuff someone, you search them. She looks like she weighs 90 pounds soaking wet. Her hands are cuffed behind her back. Even if she has a weapon, what is she going to do to you? This is an anonymous police officer with this quote.
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Every single officer that was quoted in that piece thought that Dunn should be fired and that the chief had his head up his ass for not immediately booting him off the force. Constable Dunn's current status is that he is relieved from duty without pay and he does not have a gun or any of his use of force equipment, which I assume are like tasers and
00:16:56
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batons and things or his badge. And this will not change until the conclusion of his case. And so because his case has been appealed by both the crown and him, I assume he's just not working as a police officer right now. But what were you asking for? And then the groups that were organizing around consequences for Alex Dunn, what did you want?
00:17:23
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We want to ensure that Alex then is fired from the Calgary Police Service and that he has never allowed any policing or security or basically authority job career where he can use any use of force or
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has any way to intimidate anybody within our society. So unfortunately, there's not really a way to ensure that because the prerequisites for becoming a police officer or a security guard are pretty wide open. And so he can,
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You know, even if he does get fired, which is a long process, I mean, you can go anywhere else and create this thing over six nightmare that he has been creating since, uh, again.
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And it's not like Dunn was a particularly exemplary police officer as well. During the trial, a photo of Dunn in black faced surfaced. The photo was from 2012. The incident happened in 2017.
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Around the time of the Blackface photo done was also charged with three separate police act offenses. This is the kind of internal disciplinary mechanism that they have. He pled guilty in 2016 to two charges of insubordination.
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for breaching Calgary Police Services policies related to accessing a civilian's information for personal reasons, as well as the home storage of his service firearm. For these two incidents, Dunn was docked four days pay. Four big days. But he had to go to work to volunteer some of his time. I wonder what he was volunteering his time doing when he was being paid.
00:19:46
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The civilian that he was talking, basically, that's what surveillance means, is an ex-partner. He's also restricted from being in, he's restricted from being in the presence of female officers alone. So, specifically in a squad car.
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He has a long history of violence, intimidation, subordination, and basically, you know, not being a bad apple. You know, these are the bad apples that we talk about. And it took us this long to even know that this is what was going on within the police service.
00:20:41
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Yes, so all that being said, he's still a cop, though he's not working, he's not being paid. The internal discipline of the Calgary Police Service doesn't begin until his criminal case is resolved. There's currently no timeline. As far as I'm aware, I looked into this before the podcast of when his appeals are going to make it in front of a
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a court. So we'll obviously be keeping an eye on those appeals. But really,
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What I want to talk to you about is what you and the groups that you were working with came together to do.
Organizing Protests and Community Support
00:21:20
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And so the sentencing comes out, you are not happy. Yeah, exactly. I mean, understatement of the year, right? But this sentencing comes out over the summer.
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and what groups do you come together with? And what are you doing? Kind of walk me through your thinking for these protests and what the protests actually were. So, Calgary's really happy to come out and say something and then forget. Really difficult to get Calgary to
00:22:06
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consistently support change. And we see it over and over again. It's dangerous for here. And usually we need a lot of people in a big push. So what I do in the city is I organize people. I organize protests. I teach a politician.
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I thought all this stuff to make change, but there's so many of us doing so many things because there are so many things to be done. But this was too big for one person or one group to even try to start getting enough support around.
00:23:02
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I was asked to join a group of people. Anyone who knows me knows that if I went somewhere, it's because someone asked me. So, inclusive Canada, which was represented by Taylor McNally, and Black People United, which was represented by Prince Itka, came together with Black Lives Matter YC representative, Adora Lefor.
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We decided that something needs to be done, but we really wanted to respect the fact that Dalia's presence on earth was no longer a thing. And then also respect the families, her friends, her community, and people who are impacted by this, by
00:24:00
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going to them and finding out what they value and how they would like to go forward. And they were, they were like, we are healing and they are dealing with some heavy, heavy grief, but they still want to fight valuable, valuable and she was loved and valued. And they said, you leave, we will follow.
00:24:30
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And yeah, grief is hard. And also, Salia's family is not in Calgary, they're in anything. So unfortunately, we are in Calgary, so it makes it a little more difficult to organize. But a few weeks after the sentencing, we hit the streets. We wanted to do something that Calgary had not seen before.
00:24:57
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um something that would definitely interrupt um people the order or the status quo that continues because you know sun had been doing all these things and continuing to do these things um so we wanted to make sure that we were in in the way of people who
00:25:25
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are part of the system who are using the system who are harmed by the system. So we wanted the system to hear the message loud and clear. And so we got all of our resources together and our energy and our time, and we decided that we must be out every day. We must be out during the business hours of this place. And that's really why we weren't out on the weekend.
00:25:53
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And after week number one, we found out we definitely needed that time to recharge. Yeah.
Systemic Failures and Dahlia's Tragic Death
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And I, I've erred in not providing an important detail, which is that, um, tragically, um, Dahlia Caffee was found dead, um, of an apparent drug overdose the same day as, uh, Constable Alex Dunn received his egregiously light sentence.
00:26:25
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And that tragedy, you know, of this opioid crisis kind of stacked on top of systemic racism and police brutality is just, it was a gut punch when I read that story, when that news came out. You know, so many people like to lead with Dalia had a jog over the door.
00:26:55
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almost like, well, that's the way that it goes. But no, that's not the way that it goes. Um, imagine breaking your nose, uh, having your lipstick stuff. We don't know what the dental, um, damage was done to Dalia and having a concussion. Those are all things you need to heal from. Like if, if she tripped and fell and that happened,
00:27:23
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And with self-medicating, everybody would look at that differently. But she's a black woman, so they're not even going to look at that. And this is why I pointed out in the beginning that she was innocent. She had not gone to court, whether there's charges or not. That's an innocent person. So she was found innocent in an assault case.
00:27:50
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And then this is the outcome. What are we saying with our justice system? Yeah. So it's, it is so important to talk about the many layers that are going on in this story. And yeah, Dahlia in my personal opinion was killed by the Calgary police. And she deserves justice. And why wasn't she receiving support during this?
00:28:19
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And if somebody tells me she was receiving support, she was not receiving the support that she needed because she is not here. And Alex Dunn is enjoying his life because he gets to choose what he gets to do. And Dahlia does not. And I mean, we're, we're going to keep stacking failures of the court system on top of failures of the court system because
00:28:45
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Y'all were protesting outside of the Calgary courts. And on August 13th, there was an altercation. Some of this altercation was caught on film by you and other bystanders. You were in attendance. You didn't see the whole thing. You kind of turned around and you saw it in progress.
00:29:09
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But I'll attempt to kind of summarize and because you were there, just let me please jump in. Before we start, August 12th, Thursday August 12th. Apologies. The story was written on the 13th. There we go. So you and Taylor McNally and several other people are protesting outside of the count records as you've been doing for the past three weeks.
00:29:37
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Uh, the, uh, the news media says in off duty courthouse employee was struck with a megaphone at around 12 45 PM. Um, perhaps you could provide some more context for who this off duty courthouse employee was and, uh, whether anyone was, was actually struck and what the kind of sequence of events in regards to that confrontation was.
00:30:04
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Yeah, that off-dirty courthouse worker is a sheriff. So definitely somebody who's trained to use violence and as well as trained to protect themselves. We are also hearing that they are an ex-PTS officer.
00:30:34
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100% probably more trained to deal with a megaphone than any of us. The assault with the megaphone was Taylor and family speaking to the sheriff that were in uniform outside and first that off-duty sheriff
00:31:02
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grabbed for Taylor's phone. It was not an assault with the megaphone Taylor was still holding the megaphone trying to retrieve her phone. So I saw Taylor up on the up the stairs on the quote unquote crown land because they kept referencing that. And talking in the megaphone and I was at the lower location.
00:31:31
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walking towards the tent, and that's when I had turned to the side and then heard someone screaming. I went underneath the tent, grabbed my phone, and then went running up to the stairs and started videotaping. As I was running up the stairs, I was watching them take down Taylor and Jack. And Jack was actually trying to interrupt
00:32:01
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this woman who had grabbed for Taylor's phone this off-duty sheriff. Because the head sheriff, as we can also see in the video, is violent and knows how to defend themselves. And the injuries that Jack have, you know, unofficially are a concussion and a fracture, and they have to get reconstructive surgery.
00:32:34
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So the Calgary Police Service released a statement after this arrest, after these two folks were arrested saying that they had received dozens of complaints about your protest. And they ended up charging Taylor with the kitchen sink, really four separate charges, four separate incidents on four separate days outside of the courthouse related to this process, related to this protest, I should say. Funnily enough,
00:33:00
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the surveillance video, which was used to justify those charges. I assume that that same surveillance photo, the same same surveillance footage will show the series of events that led to this alleged so-called assault with a megaphone that occurred on this off duty share.
Racism in Calgary's Police System
00:33:24
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Like one of the weapons was water. Water.
00:33:28
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We were going after the Wicked Witch of the West. We know that that's what's going to take her down. She was the alien from Signs, yeah. So I feel like the proper way to end this segment is to bring it back to Dahlia, right?
00:33:48
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You know, in December, 2020, Megan Grant of the CBC followed up with Dahlia and got some quotes and was, and was checking out how she was doing and she was not doing well. You know, here's a quote from that story. Every time I look into the mirror, I would see that Mark. And then I just remember that day, like it comes back as a flashback in my head.
00:34:11
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Um, you know, what were you hearing from the people who would come up and speak to you, uh, outside the courthouse about their experiences with police brutality, with Dahlia? You know, what, what do you want people to walk away from this segment knowing about Dahlia and the struggle to bring justice? I want people to know that they don't, we really don't know what's going on. There's no transparency.
00:34:41
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And if people think that they know me, they don't, because the police has treated me horrifically. I am also triggered by the police. So I cannot imagine what they would be dealing with. And so we don't know and inform yourselves. And when somebody tells you to leave them, because we were hearing
00:35:11
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story upon stories, stories from people who work in the Calgary Court Center. Stories from people who are part of authority. People who used to work in Calgary Police Department. People who are so triggered that they show up to support us and then they see somebody in uniform and then everybody turns
00:35:39
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into somebody in uniform. People lost their jobs, their livelihoods, their families, their relationships, their hopes, their dreams because the whole system is guilty of that. I recall being a young person
00:36:08
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being in church and doing all the right things and still being and experiencing the police just not be fair. And so it doesn't matter if you follow all the rules, you're still going to be affected. Cause really what was Dalia doing? She was doing her friend's hair who probably needed it to like,
00:36:37
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reflect well in the world so she could go to her job. And Dahlia probably wasn't benefiting from that. Maybe she's making money. Maybe she's just being in her community. But I don't understand why. If it was Karen's daughter,
00:37:05
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She'd still be alive. That officer would say, oh, you know what? I don't want Karen to be mad. I don't want Karen to say that I treated her daughter poorly. I'm going to ask Karen's daughter if I can remove her scarf. Actually, Karen's daughter's not even going to get to the police station because he's probably going to be like, this could be my daughter.
00:37:35
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And they keep covering it up and making an us versus them that is not for real. The real us versus them is us versus the lazy, us versus the fastest, us versus the oppressive, the colonizer. And until Calgary recognizes that, it's going to keep drowning.
00:38:03
Speaker
Calgary is not doing anything great except all of the nonsense. So it used to only be Indigenous people within every day, every single solitary day, dozens of times a day, an Indigenous person fills up that has been harmed. We were only out there for three weeks.
00:38:31
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like 150 hours. And that doesn't have time per day an indigenous person, like not all of them can even tell you the story. Some of them, the story is I have a story. And some people are there for hours. There is a woman, a black woman who just passed us on the street.
00:39:04
Speaker
And she would come in her corporate outfit and protest. And I know that's how I began. And I know that the corporate world did not want me there. The only thing that we did really well, the only reason they had to complain was because we were loud. And the message that we were saying is not one that they wanted to hear.
00:39:31
Speaker
Tired of asking for a favor. We're tired of asking to be respected. We are demanding our human rights in their entire case. And this is part of our human rights. So we're going to do this regardless of if you like it or not. And they were attacking us every day. I was a sheriff, one of the sheriffs that's involved with all of this stuff.
00:40:01
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threatened me, if you keep doing this, we're going to mess you up. And here we are. There was a knee in Taylor's neck. And Jack has a fracture face because we said, stop brutalizing us. So I want folks to know that if they heard this story, if they're hearing this podcast,
00:40:30
Speaker
If they know about Dalia, know that there are thousands more. Yeah. People did not believe, was that an adult school survivor? They have not believed Black people. It is happening to everyone. Asian folks are in harm. Disabled folks are in harm. I have been saying it always.
00:41:00
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This is not new. This is not new. You don't know. And now you know one more. Or next it will be you.
00:41:20
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Well, I was going to talk about some other bullshit, but I think that it is a great place to end it. Adora, what is the best way for people to help get justice for Dahlia and actual consequences for Alex Dunn and to get involved in the work that you're doing? Right.
00:41:45
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Please always, always refer to Black Lives Matter, YYC, or on Instagram at official Black Lives Matter, YYC. We are consistently talking about something, doing something, reach out, send a message on Instagram, send a message to our email. We also have a website.
00:42:14
Speaker
Black Lives Matter Calgary, YYCA.com, excuse me. And inclusive Canada, inclusive Canada daily is sometimes hourly, updating. The team is so fantastic online about things that are happening in Calgary and all over Canada because there's always something going on.
00:42:43
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It's
Supporting the Cause and Future Activism
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relentless. So there is more indigenous focus information on inclusive Canada because they have a more diverse team. So look at their Instagram, their Facebook. They also have a website and Black People United, Black People United is actually having a backpack drive.
00:43:14
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as we see. So they have already given out, I believe, 200 plus, maybe almost 300 backpacks, but they can always give out one. And I think that they have expanded their goal due to needs. And, yeah, if you can help them, it's black people in the United on Instagram. And I think that they also have a Facebook page, but their Instagram is
00:43:45
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actively being used. So, yeah, any of those places you can find information. There's links all over those pages because there is so much information. There's so much to find out. We are also involved in a bail fund that you will find on Taylor Made Studios or that is Taylor's Instagram or Inclusive Canada.
00:44:17
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because Taylor's going to need some money to fight this fight. Really, all that was happening is an interruption because we're going to keep going. I also have a personal Instagram. It's Statues, S-T-A-T-U-E-S-S-E.
00:44:40
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And you'll find out all the interesting things I'm doing there. I also have a web series called Living a Creative Life. And t-shirts are upcoming October 2nd and 3rd. I'm going to be at the carriage house then with my t-shirt lines and also purchase my books. I have books that I contributed to that tell some stories in my life. And so, yeah.
00:45:09
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We continue on. I'm used to an interruption. I use it as inspiration to disrupt and dismantle. And that's it for this podcast, folks. If you like it, there's a link to donate regularly in the show description and the show notes.
00:45:31
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Um, if you have any notes, thoughts or comments, I'm very easy to get ahold of. I am on Twitter at Duncan Kinney and you can reach me by email at Duncan K at progress, Alberta.ca. Thanks, uh, again, to Dora for, to Adora for coming on. Thanks so much. Thank you to cosmic family communist for our theme. Thank you for listening and goodbye.