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insurmountable, you know, almost insurmountable. They were just so very, again, and, and ultimately, and it's our interactions, you've interacted with them too. And let's just tell this story, great story about you meeting Jay a bunch of years ago, but like, they just, there's just like a kind of a basic kindness, you know what I mean? And it's kind of, it's interesting in that, like, you know, I don't know how much we would have talked about, if we probably would have talked about our kids, right? If I had a conversation with Jay Bristol, but like, just like this ultimate kindness where it seemed to cut across