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Welcome to the GALactic Podcast. In this episode, Andrea and Lauren talk about the Maul Shadow Lord animated series. Did the first season make Maul an even more compelling character? What might happen in season two? They discuss these topics and much more!
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Introduction & Podcast Focus
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Hello, everyone, and welcome to the Glad to Podcast. I'm Lauren Romo, and with me, as always, is my cousin and fellow nerd, Andrea Gutierrez. What i put up, what up, up? Bright sun?
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Oh, my gosh, my dog just barked. We're back, baby. but We are so back. let let's upset and We never left.
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Dog interruptions. oh Wouldn't be wouldn it be a podcast if we didn't have some type animal interruption from one of us. ah This is great.
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All right, Ange. We're back, baby. Can you believe it? And what brought us back? Our Lord and Savior. All hail Lord Maul. Lord Maul.
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I know. It is kind of ironic that the thing that brought us back is Maul. But he's one of our favorite characters. I mean, I think I can safely say that for the both of us. like Yes. He's fascinating.
00:01:15
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And this made it probably 10 times as better for me as
Star Wars Activities & News Approach
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his character. so who are we so 10 episodes we're gonna just talk about the overall series and give our thoughts and everything so if this is your first time listening to us welcome we are star wars podcast that discuss anything and everything within that galaxy far far away in each episode we will dive into one or two topics and have a general discussion on them topics could be movies tv series books comics a specific character you name it
00:01:47
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We talk about it. Ange. Yo. We're back. What have you been doing? so yeah So, Star Wars. We like Star Wars.
00:01:59
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We just haven't recorded in a while. with life life life Life, I think, for everybody is busy. But ah what have I been doing? Great question.
00:02:10
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I've been... Recently, I started watching Mando because you and I are going to go see Mando and Grogu. Yep, yep. Very excited. So I'm re-watching that. um ae Obviously, Maul was the one of the latest Star Wars things.
00:02:27
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I'll be honest, other than that, like I've watched some here and there ah Star Wars-y stuff, but other than that, i mean, not much like as far as like Star Wars, and which is kind of nice because usually...
00:02:42
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You know back in the day when we kind of when we first started this, we you know, I was we were both I i think I could say we' we're both really knee deep in it. Right. We were online a lot more. we were following, I think, news rumors a lot more.
00:02:57
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i don't do that. and And I know you don't really do that anymore. so I gotta say, like from that perspective, I kind of like it.
00:03:08
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I just have like no expectations of like anything. like i mean, I'm just excited. like I'm excited for Mandy and Grogu. I was excited for Maul. I'm excited for Star Wars, you know the
Maul Series Discussion
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upcoming movies.
00:03:22
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I'm going to Star Wars Celebration in l LA. So, I mean, I'm in. I love Star Wars. That will never change. um But I think just... watching it and re-watching it has not been as much as as ah as I probably used to for sure what about you what about your Star Wars you still Star Wars-ing what do you got yeah all I do is Star Wars let's be honest um that's fair I've already rewatched ah Mando.
00:03:49
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I just finished my rewatch for Ahsoka yesterday. Ooh, good one. ah Still Star Wars tattoos, wear Star Wars shirts every day when May the 4th came around. Nothing really seemed out of sorts because just doing the same things as I do every single day. right, right, right.
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I'm really excited for the movie. ah can't wait for Mando and Grogu. i Always loved seeing Star Wars on a big screen. Excited that like all of us are going like we have a group of I think of like 10.
00:04:22
Speaker
Yeah, going so excited about that. But no, ah as it goes for like news and insider things, I don't know anything about it. I think I saw like a Facebook or Instagram article article where there was like mixed reviews about the movie. And I was like, I don't even want to know. I just want to see the baby.
00:04:43
Speaker
Right. That's where I'm at. i at I'm at. I'm right there with you. Like, I don't care about this stuff anymore, which is, I mean, probably good. Yeah, I mean, and I think but it ruined a couple of things for us.
00:04:56
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Yes, 100% agree. But I also think one of those things was just bad. So there is that. If you want to listen to our. if you want to hear my complaints about Rise of Skywalker, tune in.
00:05:09
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Whatever I just listen to episodes.
00:05:15
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That will never not be funny to me. Oh, I rewatched Book of Boba Fett, too, but I skipped over a couple episodes. Yeah. Oh, OK. Solid. Again, that was we fun. I remember we talked about that when that came out. We had fun watching that. So, I mean, again, we if you guys have listened to us for a long time, you know how we enjoy it. We find something we enjoy.
00:05:36
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in star wars 100 that's what we do and we this is why we do this we love talking about what we enjoy about star wars have you read any books or anything like that i did read um master of evil that one that vader book which wasn't even like a vader book it was just kind of like following this isb guy who was a spy for palpatine on vader so very cool And some Clone Wars callbacks. So it was pretty decent, but it wasn't like a page turner. I'll say that much. Okay.
00:06:10
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No, I haven't. that Actually, that sounds really interesting, though. Yeah, it was. As far as for me reading... um as far as for me reading um Nothing new. i have so many still like books that I have not touched. Like if you were looking where I'm looking right now in my office at my bookshelf, it's also worse as you, as you know, and probably 75% have not touched.
00:06:37
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So there's still a lot I have to like read But I do want to. like I do want to catch up on some stuff and see what I've been missing.
00:06:47
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Because, I mean, you and I, have again, books have been one of our favorite things, too. Comics have been one of our favorite things, too. so Yeah, definitely. But you know what's one of our favorite things now is Maul.
00:07:00
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Shadow Lord. Oh, boy. it's let's Let's just dive into it, Ange. My initial thoughts. So going into going into the show, I i was pretty excited. i I'll be interested to to hear you too.
00:07:19
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I was excited. Obviously, we're both big mall fans, so that wasn't like a hard sell to do a mall show. Made sense.
00:07:30
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I think what surprised me is just the overall story and what they're telling with him. And I was pleasantly surprised and I enjoyed every single moment of the show.
00:07:49
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I like the slow buildup. Like I, and again, ah I'll hear your thoughts on this too. I feel like the first couple episodes, i mean, they were setting the tone setting where he was and where all these characters are. Right. Like we were just kind of getting back to like the basics of this is where we're at. This is what we're doing.
00:08:09
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But then the buildup, I think throughout the 10 episodes was spectacular, especially with mall. I mean, there are moments where, I was just like, wow, we're we're going pretty deep, you know, especially in the ah the one episode where he's trying to get away and he's just having thoughts about him and Palpatine and seeing his ah brother die and like all that kind of like like the mental of it was really interesting and fascinating, like getting his perspective, like seeing that and seeing what he was going through as a character.
00:08:43
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Loved all that. i love the new like the new characters that we got um we have master daki uh that was voiced by dennis uh haisbert the whole thing we had yeah the all-state man i'll say couldn't break away from that one i'm gonna be honest that's all i heard here yeah i get it yeah yeah it took me took me a minute to like i never got over it to i never got
Character Arcs & Relationships
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uh then we had devon who was voiced by gideon uh adlon again fantastic i have a lot to talk about with her um we had richard as a iode uh did two boots david collins did spy bot who again one of my favorites really good um
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Vanessa Marshall, a.k.a. Hera, played Rook, reprised her role as Rook because she played her in Clone Wars. Yep. So we got her. We had Charlie Bushnell was Riley Lawson.
00:09:44
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ah We had A.J. Lokaska as, I think, Merrick. um Which, again, that's a Ahsoka callback. Yep. So that was cool. Like, there's just a lot of things that I think the show did, too, like ah showing us characters that we might have just, like, got introduced to yeah or rolled off. Right. Yeah. So.
00:10:07
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And then, I mean, again, this stacked um stack voicing. I mean, Steve Bloom did Icarus. So, I mean, just a lot of fantastic, I think, overall acting in this series.
00:10:21
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What about Sam? Yeah, Sam. I mean, what what else is there to say about Sam Wintner? I mean, he was born to play Maul. I mean, let's just be honest. He was born to play this role. And he does it so well.
00:10:36
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I mean, you saw you see that in Clone Wars. You see that in Rebels. And now you're really seeing it with the a show focused on Maul, right? Like, it's just downright, he's killing it as Maul. Like, just absolutely in the series.
00:10:54
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Fantastic. I mean, I think without without him, i don't, like, this doesn't work. Let's be honest. With him, not as Maul. It doesn't work.
00:11:05
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It doesn't. I don't think anybody else could play them all at this point, honestly. Like, I don't, I don't know what they're going to do. Like, I mean, when you, if the, if the ever year shows up in another live action for whatever reason,
00:11:19
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Somehow, some way. i mean, he voiced it in um the like um Han movie, Solo, oh which was great. I mean, that's what they're going to have to do in the future, too, if they do decide to bring him back in some way, shape or form in a live action, which I don't think so. But I mean, he Sam Wipner is Maul. Like, I think that's never going to change for me, like at all.
00:11:41
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um Visually, let's talk. I mean, I know you and I always like to talk visuals. This is some of the best animation I've seen. And like Star Wars do.
00:11:54
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Right. And it just every time we see a new animation, you and I talk about it. It gets better and better each time. Right? Yeah, I agree. I mean, just those first establishing shots of, like, yes yes the city was insane. Yeah.
00:12:12
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Yeah. I mean, again, you go from, like, Rebels, which I love that animation style, which is very different, but then we go Bad Batch, which was amazing. Even before Bad Batch, we got the Season 7 of Clone Wars.
00:12:25
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Right? And again, amazing. And now we get Maul, which is utterly fantastic. Yeah. How do you feel about the art style where some of it was kind of like streaky or looked like it was like, like a, like a painting paintbrush. Like it looked like an acrylic brush. Like, how did you feel about that? I actually loved it. Like I, I loved the different like textures at some points, like you're saying, i dug it. Like I thought it was cool. Like, I think they used it in a very like limited way. Like it wasn't,
00:12:59
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always like prominent but there was just some shots like you're saying or some like establishing shots or whatever there was that little hint of like you're saying the acrylic look or whatever like but it worked for me I i feel like the vibe of that worked with the show for whatever reason I think it worked. What about you? Did you... Honestly, if I had a nitpick about anything, like, that was my nitpick, actually. Like, i so I feel like it's cool, like, if we are...
00:13:33
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you know, doing a a still of it, right? Or if we're, like, trying to, like, establish that it's, like, a different timeline. But, like, to look in, like, just regular action movements and seeing Maul's face look, like, sketchy or not finished was a little distracting to me. Okay. Like, yes, i I like the look. I don't want to see it in, like, full animation, though. I would rather see it in, like...
00:14:02
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Maybe landscape shots, maybe like a closing shot or like maybe just intros or something like that. But I felt like it was really distracting when it was just like Maul and Devin talking. And then you could see like these brush strokes on their face. Like it really distracted.
00:14:18
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yes i Yeah, I totally agree with that, though. Continue. continue I 100% agree with you. Yeah. and i But that's not to say, like, it wasn't, ah like, cool or ah creative or gave, like, a good so art style to the show. But me, personally, I found it very distracting. And that's all.
00:14:42
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Yeah. Because it was sometimes there and it sometimes wasn't. So it's like, make up your mind. Is his voice like full of brushstrokes or is it like, you know, solid? So, um but the art style was cool. I just didn't like it in animation. I would have liked it in a comic. I would have loved it in a comic. Absolutely. But with the movement of it, it was pretty distracting to me.
00:15:05
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Yeah, I get a hundred percent. i'm I'm with you on that. There were times for sure, like when there were shots of him or him talking to like you're saying Devin or whatnot. There was that little like.
00:15:20
Speaker
Unfinished. Yeah. Or just it's just how they wanted it. Right. Just that style. Yeah. what ah whatever they wanted to do with it was fine like I mean I didn't like hate it but I could see where it would be distracting instead of it just being like you're saying establishing shots like just only but when you put it on characters faces and they're talking yeah I get what you're saying 100% can see that I can see that It didn't both like obviously it didn't bother me as much, but I see like, but I understand what you're saying because I, I saw that and I was like, interesting, but it is like, it's just the art style.
00:16:01
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And I 100% agree that look on a comic would look pretty spectacular. That would look pretty spectacular. Right. I think again, the music.
00:16:15
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Outstanding. I mean, he had vibes of ah Revenge of the Sith in there at times. phantomenus Phantom Menace. Phantom Menace. Right. You had just sprinkles of a lot of just old like like those Star Wars the melodies. Right.
00:16:32
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Fantastic. Like loved it. it was perfect for this show too. Like that particular music. I feel like pulling from Phantom Menace because I'll see that. Was it the Kiners?
00:16:46
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Ooh, good question. Let me, I can look up real quick. I don't think it was the Kiners. I think it was somebody else that did the music, but I could be totally wrong on that for sure. i mean the kind I mean, if it was the Kiners, again, they are 10 out of 10, no notes, as always. Like, they're amazing at what they do, for sure. Let me see. Who did the music?
00:17:10
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No, it wasn't. No. Okay, yeah, no, it wasn't. I would love for you to try to say that name. yeah absolutely No, absolutely not. Absolutely not. Shostokovich?
00:17:22
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That sounds good. That sounds good. I'll take it
00:17:26
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We'll go with it. We'll go with it. But no, I mean, the music was fantastic, though. Like it fit, I think, thematically. It fit just the overall theme of what they're I think the point they're trying to get across with Mo and it being like a little bit darker, darker, right? Like.
00:17:45
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some of those scenes of him fighting and taking out like storm troopers. And the I mean, they did not hold back. Yeah. violent yeah Like, and I was like, okay.
00:17:56
Speaker
Cause that was one thing. And I don't know if this is maybe how you felt too. That was one thing I was interested to see how they would do. Like, would they not show the violence? Would they not, you know, just do a lot of implying of what happened But they they showed.
00:18:15
Speaker
I mean, they showed stormtroopers getting cut in half. ah Like,
Visual Storytelling & Supporting Characters
00:18:20
Speaker
that was pretty radical. So I'm good i'm i i'm glad they they didn't do it all the time, right?
00:18:28
Speaker
They sporadically would show some of the violence. But i think it was... use properly in moments that I think felt impactful, if that makes sense. Right. Like him fighting a whole horde of storm troopers or, you know, the, whoever was chasing him.
00:18:48
Speaker
And it made sense to kind of show like what he can do as a fighter one and two, like lightsabers are lightsabers.
00:18:59
Speaker
Like they just, they're dangerous. Like, yeah, they're They're, you know, they're going to cut people in half if that is what they do. You know, that's the motion or that's what, you know, the slashing that Maul does. It's not just going to be like a scar. It's going through them. So, and they showed it. And I was, I was pleasantly surprised about that. ah I think overall story, i like too. I like the journey we went on with Maul.
00:19:31
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I like the journey we went on with Devin, especially. i don't know about you. She gave me a mix of Ahsoka and Ventress vibes.
00:19:47
Speaker
Like a mix a mix of the two. like sassy Ahsoka, right? Especially when she was driving, ah flying that like ship them when they're trying to get away. Yeah.
00:19:57
Speaker
Just like her quick one-liners just gave me Ahsoka vibes. But then when she would get the anger. Yeah, the anger i was there a lot. Yeah, that's when I saw the Ventress.
00:20:09
Speaker
That's when I like, okay. So I like the, like the, The mashing or the mixing of how I felt like it was the mixing of the two. what How did you feel about Devin as a character?
00:20:22
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I thought Devin was great. I also like the slow build of her transition, if like you yeah want to call it that. Yes. You know, wasn't like...
00:20:35
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And I also liked, you know, as like Maul was like giving her the reasons of like either how the world was stacked against her and the Jedi and like the misconceptions of the Jedi, like what the Empire is now, like everything that he said was very logical. And you could tell that she was like finding like understanding in what he was saying and he was making sense to her. you yeah.
00:21:04
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you know She was a great character. i mean, not only just like the way she, um you know, moved along like in her thought process, but like action wise, right? Her fighting style was awesome. Yeah.
00:21:20
Speaker
You know, she was she was a great character. I hope, you know, when we get into like a mall season two, that she still struggles with um like attaching to the dark side. And there are like parts of her that still want to um like follow her Jedi ways. I hope this isn't like a one and done where she's just bad now. Right. So, yeah, I really liked her character a lot.
00:21:48
Speaker
Yeah, I'm very invested to see how they portray her character now moving forward. Like, is she, like you're saying, the struggle?
00:21:59
Speaker
is she going to struggle with it? Or is she just going to be full-blown, yeah, this is who I am now? Because, i mean, throughout this the season, you obviously see those moments of anger.
00:22:12
Speaker
But it wasn't until the very end where she just fully let it go. Yeah. Right. And fully accepted that side of her, which obviously that was Maul's plan from the beginning.
00:22:24
Speaker
And to see that transition, like you said, was. Was pretty sweet, like it was the payoff was great. The moment, I think the moment that really sticks with me when she fully transitions is when she, i think I think she yells like, I will kill them.
00:22:45
Speaker
At the very end, like it gets like deep and growly and like, a like it really like anger. Right. like I was like, okay. Okay. We're there. Like she's at that point.
00:22:58
Speaker
Like she is. Wanting to do what Maul has been talking to her throughout the entire season. Right. Being, you know, using her abilities.
00:23:12
Speaker
Right. Getting obviously now revenge. On the Empire. Right. Because I think early on. That didn't make sense. Like, yeah, you could obviously with Order 66. Yeah, they they she would, you know, Jedi would want revenge. It would make sense. But obviously with her master, Daki, like that wasn't obviously part of the thought process, obviously.
00:23:38
Speaker
But then when he dies. that all goes away. Right. Like that whole facade of you know, uh, trusting the kindness of strangers and this and that falls to the wayside.
00:23:55
Speaker
Right. How do you feel about the inspiration of like her being a Twi'lek and the whole like Darth Talon of it? Right. Do you know like the story behind Darth Talon and Darth Maul?
00:24:11
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Yeah. So i I don't know the full story. I'm familiar with who she is, that she was a Twi'leek, that she was a, was she an apprentice of Maul's? Yeah. Is this Legend and Legends, correct? No, it was actually in a, well, I don't know if it was in Legends, but it was supposed to be in like a upcoming video game.
00:24:34
Speaker
And the video game got scratched because of the Disney acquisition. And then there was always talks that George Lucas wanted um the villains in the sequel trilogies to be Maul and Darth Talon. Like thought that was his, where he was like going with the flow of the story.
00:24:59
Speaker
That it would be Maul with a Twi'lek apprentice um and her name was Darth Talon.
00:25:08
Speaker
that Again, that'd be cool. I kind of like that. as if that was your like If George was going that direction with it, that would make 100% right?
00:25:20
Speaker
right Like full circle, Maul being the sequel trilogy like bad guy. Yeah. That'd be pretty badass. that I don't know if it will, like, go there all the way. You know, I'm really interested to see if they will, like, transition her into, like, a Darth. But then again, like, Maul's not even, like, a Darth anymore. But, I mean, obviously, as we... And, I mean, even in Rebels, he wasn't. So we know that he's not maybe going to you know, embrace that title again.
00:25:55
Speaker
Yeah, I don't, I mean, i don't think he will because i think because of, right, the the backstabbing of, you know, of Sidious.
00:26:09
Speaker
Yeah. I think the revenge he wants on, you know, not just... Not just a Jedi, really. He's not. And that's the thing with Maul in this scene in this c series so far.
00:26:23
Speaker
He's not going after a specific Jedi yet. Right. Pause. Fast forward to Rebels. Right. yeah but Yeah. Right now, he just wants to run the syndicates.
00:26:37
Speaker
Right. Right. And he wants to do that while obviously getting revenge on the people that did him wrong. Sidious, the Empire. Right. So.
00:26:50
Speaker
to kind of bring back what you were saying earlier about like what he was telling Devin right throughout the throughout the season. He's not wrong, kids. I know he's saying that sometimes around here. He's not wrong. He's not wrong.
00:27:05
Speaker
Like at the point of where they all are, right? This is post Order 66. This is, you know, obviously before um A New Hope, right? Like this is early, I think, if my I'm not mistaken. This all takes place early.
00:27:23
Speaker
Obviously after after we see him in Clone Wars, right? not sure Yeah, so after after Clone Wars, like when you see Sidious attack him in Savage and kill Savage, Sidious then takes Maul and it was supposed to be an arc within Clone Wars, but it ended up being in the like first canon ah Star Wars comic that like there ever was like established, which was like the Son of Dathomir, Darth Maul comic.
00:27:55
Speaker
And it shows that from that moment, Sidious took him, tortured him, all of that. And then the Death Watch came and like rescued him.
00:28:08
Speaker
And then that's when he like decided that he was going to like continue his his journey of like becoming like the the biggest like crime lord. Whether it
Vader's Cameo & Season Anticipation
00:28:20
Speaker
was then to like revenge on Sidious, I feel like that's still to be established. so That makes sense, yeah. So this so i in my head, I was thinking that this was...
00:28:38
Speaker
Right after the last episode of Clone Wars Season 7, right? He gets away. I, for it for whatever, are like in my head, I feel like, okay, this is what happens after that.
00:28:50
Speaker
Like he gets away, finds the death watch people that were loyal to him. Right. And then he's starting to build up and try to take over the syndicate again. Yeah. Kind of where my head goes. Is that, is that kind of what we're like,
00:29:09
Speaker
yeah like what you're at with them it is there right but he was also like trying to create that like crime lord prior to the siege of mandalore right right i see what you're saying yeah yeah yeah that makes sense that makes sense again and when we get a huge um solo connection when we get uh dryden yeah and the pikes yeah yeah like that's That was, again, the use of old characters or you know, characters that we have seen before in other places showing up here her ha was fantastic.
00:29:48
Speaker
One in particular, we will get there. we'll get We'll get to that moment. I kind of want save it for last. But. I think the build up, like you're saying, the build up from like the first episode, especially with Devin's character, even with Maul's character, really, like the evolution of him was spectacular. Like it just it was a slow bone at first. And then I think after once the Empire got involved. Right. I think that was like episode four or five.
00:30:22
Speaker
Then it really ramped up. Right. was there and then uh or moroc and then the other i can't remember who what the name of that other inquisitor they call him like or the crow or something like that ro yeah the crow but he is also like the 11th brother okay and then again you see we saw him in tales of the jedi yeah i know it's so cool that like those two show up and i was like oh ahsoka kills you both yeah oh
00:30:53
Speaker
That's so adorable. Yeah, I know. People call him like Merrick or i've always called him Maroque. I don't know. Merrick, yeah. Yeah, I don't know. But I know his minifig is a big deal now just because he came back. So everybody's trying to get it. so He is a great design.
00:31:11
Speaker
he Yeah, his cape is sweet. I love it how he detaches it before he starts fighting. It's very cool. And again, the the helmet, the like you're saying, the cape, everything. And then even the crow, like great design, cool looking. i mean, those shots of them, like when they confront the the the crew and they're running, like that was insane. That was really cool. Some of the fights, like this is some of the best fight choreography I've i've seen in a while.
00:31:43
Speaker
Hands down. Like some of the best, like live action or an animation. Yeah. it was Some of the best. I mean, obviously, like, just, like, it not to jump forward, but, you know, the end when they're all fighting.
00:31:57
Speaker
And then you have that one scene where they kind of just all lock up lightsabers together. I mean, it was, like, an instant, like, like core memory shot. Like, honestly, yeah everyone had the same reaction to it. Like, immediately when I saw it, I was like, oh, my God, I need to see that again. Like, it was, you know...
00:32:16
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And that's the best thing about animation is because it like pushes like the speed and the ability of everybody to the expectation that we're thinking we're going to see lightsaber battles. And so it's like, it's great. It it meets the expectation of what what everybody wants.
00:32:33
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think they did a great job establishing how ferocious Maul is, for one. Yeah. Right? He even did one of those Palpatine spins. Yeah, that was insane.
00:32:46
Speaker
but That was insane. And then what was cool, too, I don't know if you if you saw this or heard about this. there were times when he was fighting like and he would the saber would like yell that was sam's voice like yelling like that was that's so cool well you know when the saber was talking to him right it was saying like the the orchestration of duel of fates it was saying like yeah that is heard about that that's freaking amazing
00:33:17
Speaker
Again, Phantom Menace, like the whole kind of connections that they were doing with him, you know, like like we're talking about Phantom Menace stuff or whatnot. Like it's it's pretty good. this It is pretty good. Pretty good.
00:33:32
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So the other characters, though, so ah kind of want to talk about the so we talked about Devin. Master Daki. Cool. Loved it.
00:33:43
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ah I like the design of him. Yeah. Or them, however they want to. He was like a Mishok or like my something. He was actually like ah like a species that's been established before.
00:33:58
Speaker
Oh, nice. Okay, cool. yeah So again, great design. Cool. I mean, very prototypical Jedi master though, right? Yeah. Calm.
00:34:08
Speaker
Right. Calm, believes that things happen and to trust the kindness of strangers and this and that and whatever. So you kind of get...
00:34:20
Speaker
The prototypical master and youngling or master and apprentice. Padawan. Yeah, Padawan vibes from these two. Yeah. So, which was great. It's classic. I mean, it's a classic Star Wars thing, right?
00:34:35
Speaker
So, those great chemistry between those two, right? And you could see early on... the different thought processes, right, of Daki and Devin, right? Even, the i mean one of the very first scenes we see them,
00:34:52
Speaker
she steals the fruit or whatever, right? Even after he says, you know, we have to trust, right? have to trust the kindness of others. She steals, she gets caught, and he's like, well, you got caught, you got to suffer the consequences, which yeah makes sense, right? Logically. But again, Devin, you could all already see there was something about her, right? Like, it just established that rebellious Padawan.
00:35:24
Speaker
Right? I mean, again, classic Star Wars. And then, again, the we had a captain Captain Lawson? Yeah. Captain. He was a captain. Great character. I'm very fascinated to see what they do with him moving forward because, again... You think he died?
00:35:42
Speaker
Nope. I don't think he did. I don't think did. No body. No death. That's just what I'm saying. Yeah. i don't you don't think it's going to be like let's move on from the Lawsons and what was the the the place called that they were at?
00:35:57
Speaker
Oh, Janik? Janik's, yeah. You don't think we're just like <unk>s we're going to then go to another phase of this story and leave all that behind? You don't think so? that's excellent No, that's an excellent question.
00:36:12
Speaker
I was listening to what was it? I can't remember. I think a Force Center live show. Anyway, ah Chris from BroAxiom, shout out BroAxiom, good content they do.
00:36:24
Speaker
He brought up this idea that and this is kind of where I go with it too. i'm I'm right here with him. He believes that Lawson's alive and that he's the one that will kind
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00:36:40
Speaker
of bridge the gap between Devin and Maul, or he will be the one to have to help Devin see that Maul is not, you know, who she wants him to be. Right. Because he saw what Maul did Daki. Right. He saw the whole like push. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He saw that.
00:37:00
Speaker
Right. And I think too, Riley, he, again, Chris brought this idea up too, that like, what what do you do with Riley? Well, where are they going? They're going to syndicates, right?
00:37:13
Speaker
What if he joins Crimson Dawn? What? I mean, just think about this. just think Because what I mean, his mom's and works for the Empire. Right. Can't go there. Devin is obviously down a dark path.
00:37:30
Speaker
Where is he? I mean, what's what's he going to do? i mean, maybe he joins one of the syndicates. And again, and that brings again, why I say that is in the ah Captain Lawson has to go save him.
00:37:45
Speaker
And Devin, right? To be the one to be like, you know, you yeah I'm alive. You guys need to come with me. this is not the path we you two should be going on. Can I say something controversial? No. I could care less what happens to Riley Lawson.
00:38:01
Speaker
No, that's fair. That's fair. and i could ah You're totally not wrong in that because, again, he wasn't super like a super important character, but I think because he is where he is, right? It's not like he was stranded on the, ah on Janix, right? Yeah. Like he's with them.
00:38:22
Speaker
Yeah. He's part of the now wanted crew, right? Like he's a part of it now. Yeah. He has no dad, right? Well, as far as he knows. Right.
00:38:34
Speaker
He has no, I mean, the mom's in him. It works for the empire. Can't talk to her. I mean, where else would he go? I mean, Maul easily talked, not easily, but convinced Devin.
00:38:50
Speaker
Who's to say that he can't convince Riley to be a part of a syndicate? Yeah. So, I mean, there's there's options. I think there's there's potential. Let's say that.
00:39:01
Speaker
What do you think is going to happen at Two Boots? two boots he you know at first i was like at first i was like two boots is my man he is funny he wears boots he carries around a coffee mug i absolutely loved him but then when he pulled that crap with like contacting the empire and i didn't want to listen to lawson i was like what this guy he was so much potential but he came back around so yeah shout out two boots Yeah, no, two boots, great, great droid.
00:39:34
Speaker
Typical, like, follows protocol, right? But it took him a minute to realize that he was on the wrong side of things by contacting the Empire. So, yeah, that was a little bit, I was kind of mad, too, when he initially called the Empire. And, you know, when he tells Lost and he's like, I hope you can forgive me.
00:39:56
Speaker
When... called the Empire when you told me not to. I'm like, do what are you what are you doing? Like, why are you having a conscience now to boot slay? Right. A little late. Yeah, what are we doing now? So, again, having the Empire show up was cool and everything.
00:40:14
Speaker
um And then we have, again, law ah having that connection between Lawson and the wife being the being the Empire, kind of want that explored more.
00:40:27
Speaker
I feel like again, just for me, like i i would love to explore that. And that's why I hope that he is still alive and we can explore that dynamic a little bit.
00:40:38
Speaker
Right? Like, I think that's an interesting... dichotomy that i don't think we've seen a lot if any in star wars right i mean we have um what's that great book uh oh god between the two the girl and the guy she's an empire he's with the rebellion oh yeah yeah um star claudia gray all Oh, gosh. You know which book I'm talking about. Yeah, I'm going to get to it in a second. I got a bunch of books here. Oh, but that kind of like that's the only one that I can think of, like where there's like a two people who know each other are on the opposite sides.
00:41:24
Speaker
and that's the only i mean there's probably ton of more i mean people can you know shout us out in comments what other you know characters are like this lost stars lost stars there you go yeah great book highly recommend but i think that i want to see more of that like i want to dive a little bit deeper into that dynamic right the Again, the whole like their whole journey, Doc's and Devin's journey with the Lawsons throughout the ah throughout the season was great. right i mean
00:42:01
Speaker
The moment where he finds out that Doc is a Jedi and he go and he's like, well, why didn't you tell me? He's like, Why do you think I did tell you? like Yeah. Or like when the lieutenant was like, at least we're not harboring Jedi. Right. Right. Cut scene.
00:42:19
Speaker
I'm harboring Jedi. Right. like I loved all that, too. But it's cool. Again, it's the. To what Daki said, though, right. in the what In the very beginning, you have to trust.
00:42:35
Speaker
The kindness of strangers. And because his trust in Lawson, right? I mean, obviously, Daki, RIP, lost too soon. But it shows that you do if you do put faith in people, right, to Daki's point, like they are willing to help you and they will try to do whatever they can to help, right?
00:42:57
Speaker
oh So again, I love those little storylines and everything with them was great. Anything else, Ange, with those, with that kind of crew, like two boots and the Lawsons and Devin and Daki all together? Like it was, it was a fun, like little kind of adventure with them for sure. Like on their, their storyline.
00:43:18
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I appreciated the entirety of everybody's like little arc and little story. didn't, I don't feel like any of it was unnecessary. It pushed the story along like really well.
00:43:30
Speaker
And like the culmination of everybody at the end was great. um so yeah i i liked it i mean it's always you know when you hear like oh it's a it's a show about maul like all you want to all you want to see is maul and like star wars creators are really great story creators are great at like integrating other parts of the galaxy that like allow the story to kind of like flourish and then also be like inspirational and then you can also find you know like identity within it too so you know again like overall just having those types of characters in there was extremely beneficial for the story
00:44:14
Speaker
Yeah, and again, i think it was needed, like you're saying, like in a mall show. Yeah. you know you're going to get cut It cut the mallness of it. Yeah, at times, for sure.
00:44:25
Speaker
And again, I mean, it it even harkens to the huge theme of Star Wars, this family, right? Yep. So the relationship between Riley and his dad, like... again, typical Star Wars, you know, ah bad father issues like yeah him going to his game and then leaving and like all that. But again, at the end, when he, you know, Riley says to him, he's like, this is the longest we've ever like been together.
00:44:56
Speaker
Right. I mean, it's kind of sad, but again, it's those heartfelt moments, right? Yeah. Sprinkled into this, into the show. So then obviously we go, you know, with so that's, you know, their storyline was pretty kind of cut and dry, right? They were trying to get off Janix because of the Empire's arrival.
00:45:15
Speaker
And that's because of Maul and his crew in which they were trying to take over the Pykes and trying to further establish like their dominance of where they are in Janix, right? Mm-hmm.
00:45:32
Speaker
That, again, the very beginning of this show, that whole sequence of them, like, stealing the like the credits or whatever. Yeah. And Maul just walking down.
00:45:46
Speaker
platform. And you hear the Duel of the Fates theme kick in a little bit. Yeah. Bro, I was done. Yeah. It was already. All right. Yeah, this is to be pretty cool. This is going be pretty cool. I mean, it set the tone, right? It set the tone of the show. And I think it from there on, you had that, especially with Maul and his crew, that storyline established. Like, it's it's a darker one, right? It's him trying to establish...
00:46:15
Speaker
his, you know, getting back to running Crimson Dawn or the syndicate. Right. I mean, he talked to, when he talked to Biden, he talked about that, right. Like wanting to take over and like run everything. I mean, he, he literally, I think took out the Pike leader yeah and then named, named, you know,
00:46:37
Speaker
Joe Schmo, you're the leader, but you're going to answer to me now. like Like just point blank, like taking it over. Like it's you there. You're in charge now. yeah Yeah. You're here, but you're going to answer to me. But yeah, that you're in charge here now. Like just accept it.
00:46:54
Speaker
I mean, it it was great. And then again, like Rook, we haven't seen that character in a very long time. Yeah. It was cool to see like the Maul DeLoreans, right? Very cool. Very cool to see some of Sabax.
00:47:11
Speaker
The Zabrax, yeah. The Zabrax, yeah. yeah Very cool, right? Like, All that, like his whole crew of like mixed, you know, Mandalorians and then, you know, his own kind and everything was very cool.
00:47:25
Speaker
Right. I think what, again, this is a mall show, right? So when you focus on his story, though, it's one of obviously anger and revenge, but it's also one of sadness. Right.
00:47:41
Speaker
That episode, when he goes through like his little vision quest, if that's what you want to call it. Yeah. Yeah. bro Like that was some of the most deep Star Wars. And gut-wrenching, yeah.
00:47:53
Speaker
That we have gotten in a long time, right? Like that whole sequence was amazing, right? Like you see him as a little as a little apprentice, right? Training with Sidious, getting electrocuted, right And then you get those little flashbacks too, which is cool, of like Phantom Menace and Obi-Wan and all that.
00:48:19
Speaker
That was great. I think the the the part that got me though, and maybe this got to you too, was at the very end was when you saw his younger half and then like him currently, right? Like in talking to that younger part of him and like saying, you know, it's all right. It's going to be okay. And then like,
00:48:43
Speaker
saying that you know we will not let this happen to anybody else like that was some ah emotional damage like yeah no kidding you i mean you forget what he went through though right like you kind of forget his story is kind of that deep right like ah he was taken you know chosen by sidious trained by sidious obviously corrupted and manipulated by sidious and
00:49:14
Speaker
realized that a little too late and now he wants revenge so the one thing i found weird and maybe i'm just don't have my story straight but and then maybe i'm also considering a couple legend stories that i know was that maul was given to so to palpatine as a baby
00:49:42
Speaker
I think, was that, or very young for sure. like Like, there's that quick shot in that whole sequence where you see him very, very little. I mean. No, I mean, i mean like infant. But i I feel like that was in Darth Playa. So, obviously, not canon.
00:49:59
Speaker
um But then I was also, like, trying to think, like, in the Son of Dathomir comic, I remember the, um like the Nightsisters approaching Palpatine, like in a shop and they gave him a baby. They gave him a baby.
00:50:18
Speaker
Okay. So I don't know. that And I was like, are we really going to retcon things again? But I mean, not that like it changes the story completely. i mean, you know, it still establishes that like Sidious was his master, that he was given to him early, you know, all those types of things.
00:50:35
Speaker
The other thing I got confused by was like, they showed the death of my mother Talzin. And then I was trying to like, remember that. Yeah. Do you remember that? Or no, they didn't show that that. He said they, Maul said they killed my mother. Right. Is that what he said? Right. There was a, in Clone Wars, I don't remember what season, obviously later, because that's when Maul shows up.
00:51:00
Speaker
We do see where he goes back to Dathomir. And I think that's where he gets his legs, right? i think yeahs Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think at that point, somewhere in that arc. When Krivis and Juku show up? Yeah, and I think that's when they when they kill Mother Towson.
00:51:20
Speaker
and Because that's when Ventress gets all pissed too, right?
00:51:25
Speaker
a Possibly. Possibly. i can't remember if this was after Ventress went back to... Because, wait, I'm trying to think, was Ventress, was Mother Townsend there?
00:51:39
Speaker
Or she just ran into a bunch of, like, Nightsisters? I can't remember. See, and I have to rewatch all that stuff. know, right. Now we have to rewatch seven seasons of one show. mean, not complaining. Twist my arm.
00:51:54
Speaker
Just twist. But yeah, i mean there was a point in Clone Wars where we do see... him with mother Towson they get it and they are attacked and yeah grievous and whoever uh killer so we do see that somewhere along the line for sure ah his whole again that whole journey of him was fascinating like it just I wasn't expecting that I was not expecting that in the show, but I think it established so much of his character and where he is at this point, like emotionally and just psychologically. Like it's, it was, it's great writing and great acting by Sam.
00:52:40
Speaker
Like he sold the hell out of that sequence and it was well done. Like again, something I didn't know I needed, but I needed it. Yeah. Agreed. I needed to see it. Like I did need to see that.
00:52:54
Speaker
um Obviously with, with his crew came those inquisitors that we talked about great designs. We love it. Let's get to the end though, Ange, because something happened that I, for one,
00:53:09
Speaker
I went on record. I was ah watching a Force Center live show. I jumped on, talked to Joseph and Ken. and This was pre-ball show coming up. Yeah.
00:53:20
Speaker
And one of the questions was, you know, what is there something that you don't want to happen? Or, you know, like. Did you say you didn't want Vader show up? I did not. Lauren, you've got to stop with that. I didn't, Andrea. I not want him to show up.
00:53:35
Speaker
Come on. Because I wanted the Maul show to be about Maul, right? Like, that was my whole, like... Did you expect Inquisitors to show up? Yes, I did. I did expect Inquisitors for sure. Like, that made 100% sense, right? Because obviously... But if we're ah Inquisitors, Shelby Vader.
00:53:55
Speaker
and True, again, you're not right. Oh, 100%. Like, i I expected maybe a mention of him, but not a physical cameo of him. That's what I did. I was not looking for a physical cameo.
00:54:10
Speaker
But this is where I will eat my words. And I was wrong. Yes, you were wrong. I didn't know I needed it until i saw it. And it was the greatest freaking thing i' ever seen, like by far. One of the coolest shit we have seen in Star Wars in a very long time. I mean, I know there's those group of people that like are like, OK, like Vader, we've seen him enough. We know what he is. We know what he stands for. You know, you know, a minute he, you know, comes into a scene, what's going to happen?
00:54:42
Speaker
And then, but then like when you get it, the minute you get it, you're like, I changed my mind. It's awesome. Thank you very much. I didn't know I needed it. Personally, i always want Vader in anything, right? I don't care if he's like sitting at the end of the table with, you know, like Cassian's mom, like eating, you know, drinking blue milk. Like I'll take it. Like whatever, however you can give him to me. Give me Vader.
00:55:10
Speaker
Yeah. But I know there there are those people that are like, oh, Vader, but Lauren. Talk to me how you felt when you heard the noise. it I was completely like, oh shit, here we go. like At the moment, it made sense to me, right? Because of the Inquisitors and then what they said. you know They're like, tell him that you know they are heading his way. At one point, well at first I was like, okay, maybe Grand Inquisitor?
00:55:44
Speaker
Then I was like, eh. could this be, could this be the thing that I didn't want to see? but then i eventually i wanted to see it. And then when Rook goes in like you into the woods and you hear like, and she's, she comes back and says there's something or someone or some thing out there. Yeah. And then you just see her get forced, like pulled back.
00:56:10
Speaker
Yeah. Then you hear that crunch and, That, I was like, okay, that's not the Grand Inquisitor. And then you just hear just a breath. Yep. And was just like, okay, yeah.
00:56:22
Speaker
Again, i didn't know I needed it until i needed it. Like, it was the coolest fucking thing I've ever seen. Like, it was so awesome. And the fact that he didn't, like, they didn't have him speak a word.
00:56:35
Speaker
Yeah, not a word. Yeah. Like, just totally... Nothing, just breathing. And that was insane to me. But that also just showed how much, like, he could care less about who he was fighting, right? Yeah.
00:56:53
Speaker
Didn't want to talk. He didn't want to do anything. He was just about, like, just getting them, right? And then the fact that he was just doing everything one-handed, basically. Yeah. I mean, you know, i have finally come to terms with like early Darth Vader fighting. you know When you read more books and more comics and you learn like how much Vader slash Anakin struggled with all the mechanics and everything that was you know attached to him and how clunky he felt and and all of that. So when you see him just fighting with like one hand,
00:57:30
Speaker
And you know the background of that. It it makes sense. And then it brings like a new element of just how much discomfort he is going through and abilities that he had before and is not capable of using them in that moment.
00:57:48
Speaker
just absolutely fascinating. Some people just take it as like, oh, they're just trying to establish the way he fought in A New Hope. No, he's literally struggling in the suit that they attached to him.
00:58:01
Speaker
I mean, right. i mean, and that makes 100% sense when you are more machine than man, right? Like, yeah it's going to not be the same as when he wasn't.
00:58:14
Speaker
So, I think the thing that they really did establish, though, which, again, as a fan, you know how powerful he is. But to take on basically three Force users...
00:58:29
Speaker
And not really break a sweat probably is insane. Like, again, one handed, the just, and again, you and I've talked about this before with Vader, the power he has with probably that swing, right? Just the, like, just that motion is ridiculous, right? Right. The one thing that were're ah I'm remembering is that part where it's he's fighting Maul and Daki and he stops Maul's lightsaber with his hand and then Daki does something. He stops in. And then again, Maul does tries to some tries to do something to him and he blocks it like all at the same time. This is insane. Like this is literally insane. And then again, the the the hunting kind of aspect. Right. Like he would pop out out of nowhere sometimes. Right. And you didn't hear him breathe like he would not breathe. And then all of a sudden he's busting through like a wall or like coming out of the fog. Right.
00:59:30
Speaker
There were what moments that they might have pushed him back. There's that moment where they pushed him back like a little bit. And he kind of just went with it and then got up and then like the smoke or like the like whatever, like kind of cloud, like hit him. And then, you don't know, where he goes and then all of a sudden he shows up out of ah like out of a brick wall. You're like, what is happening right now?
00:59:54
Speaker
But it was cool. Again, it shows it showed and established how powerful he is. Yeah. Not that you we need to not that we didn't know that before. But this makes total sense though, too.
01:00:08
Speaker
With Maul, when you look at it from a Rebels perspective too, because in Rebels, he was not unaware of the of him, right? when When Vader was coming, i if my memory serves me, like he tells Kanan and Ahsoka and Ezra... You'll want to leave soon. Yeah. Because he knew who he was. Yeah. he was He knew who he was, he knew what he was about, and he knew that he was very powerful. so it makes sense in that in the connection that way right it it makes sense that he had come across vader before and i mean again yeah i'm not naive to think that that wasn't that wasn't the case but for them to show it in the way they did though was pretty cool it was it was pretty cool it was very very cool again then them getting away right like
01:01:07
Speaker
Vader failing again. you know, how many times has he failed a lot? Honestly, if you think about it, yeah but now moving forward to season two,
01:01:21
Speaker
i'll stand on I'll stand on my... i I don't know if I need Vader again. yeah think that was perfect. Yeah, i feel like more of him like ah dispatching his Inquisitors to go after him, right? and you know, I don't necessarily... you know, it's interesting that like the Inquisitors were going after Maul when they're Jedi hunters, you know?
01:01:47
Speaker
I think that's because they obviously... I mean, the Emperor... Saw him. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, it's, it was a, Hey, Maul plus Jedi is a win for him.
01:01:59
Speaker
Right. Like, I mean, that's where they're, that it made sense. And then for them, what's funny too, no, not funny, but what made sense to me too, is when you go again to rebels and they called him the shadow, right? I think they called him shadow in that show.
01:02:17
Speaker
Yeah. you you kind of see where that comes from now right yeah yeah that's freaking cool how you kind of establish like how the inquisitors see maul yeah right versus jedi right they see maul as like a shadow as you know not a jedi obviously like that that's just cool how they kind of set that up too yeah that was cool So season two has already been like confirmed, which is great. I'm excited. Yeah.
01:02:46
Speaker
Yeah. yeah Because we left on a big cliffhanger, right? Like having Devin tell Maul she's ready. Like that was, I'm like, okay, I need to see where this goes.
01:02:58
Speaker
Yeah. And what does he do? Right. Because this is what he was trying to do with Ezra. Yeah. right he was trying to get an apprentice now he you know we see him having one how what does that look like right we saw him attempting with ezra and you know all that but obviously with canaan you know ezra was able to kind of stay on the right path with no daki in no kind of like light that she can look forward to, right. Or look to or guidance from any other like Jedi. Yeah.
01:03:34
Speaker
yeah I mean, this makes a hundred percent sense. And I'm fascinated to see what they do with those, like that journey, because i am 100% sold on it. I'm 100% invested to see what happens to those characters. Cause the, I mean, the, the chemistry between just the voice actors alone was great. Right. And then between the characters was fascinating. Yeah.
01:04:03
Speaker
Right. I mean, when she didn't even tell Maul her name at first and then he knew it, like he's like, I'm going to need that back, Devin. and She was like, oh, she shit. He knows my name. No getting away now. Yeah. yeah Like so that was again, it was cool. Like just the whole setup of that.
01:04:21
Speaker
I know we talked about a little bit earlier was was great. anything you're looking forward to season two or anything like that, Andrew, you're just, Hey, I'm ready for season two, whatever, however it goes, goes and I'm ready for it.
01:04:36
Speaker
Uh, you know, I'm maybe look, I'm looking forward to maybe a tie in to solo. Right. So crimson Dawn shadow collective, um, Kira.
01:04:48
Speaker
I know like there's a, you know, uh, gigantic, not catalog of um Kira in some of the comics and like what happened with crison Crimson Dawn. But I would love to see that um like fleshed out in like a show or a movie because I felt like it was probably, you know, the the best cliffhanger any of us have ever seen, you know, and wanted more. So yeah.
01:05:18
Speaker
um yeah i'm hoping that they they get us there and i mean obviously we're gonna get there with dryden showing up and all of that right um so yeah i think all that will be interesting and you know i don't ask for much and honestly i wasn't really asking for vader to show up either you know ah um But I liked Inquisitor. I really liked the Inquisitors in this show. I thought they were perfectly executed. You know, I wouldn't mind some more of that.
01:05:55
Speaker
um And yeah, ah you know. that's it It will be interesting to see. Like, I feel like they were getting there, you know, with Maul's leg, like, acting up from, like, that shot from, like, um well, one from Vader in the end, but then, like, earlier, i think, did Daki get him a little bit? Yeah, when Daki kicked him. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:06:21
Speaker
So, I mean, because we all know in Rebels, he kind of, like, walks around with a limp and a cane, and he's, like, he's, like, old man Maul. Like, yeah what's going to get us, like, to that is...
01:06:31
Speaker
kind of also what I want to see yeah I'm 100% with you like I kind of want to see the evolution of where we see him in Solo and then to get to the point of where we see him in Rebels right because that's that's a journey in itself too right a man that's running syndicates right at the end of Solo and people are afraid of right cut to Rebels where he is hiding I guess question mark in malachor and again still wanting revenge but not he's not running the syndicates he's not like any of that is long gone he's he's actually still he's trying to like obtain sith power you know when do we get to that point where he's no longer a crime lord and wanting to be like a sith lord again
01:07:27
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Yeah, because again, where's that journey of, again, yeah, how does that happen? And then how does he figure out about like the the Sith holocrons and the whole like weapon that's in Malachor? Right. That that is going to be a fascinating, fascinating, hopefully we get to that point or just at least sprinkles of where we can see it down the road and where that where that goes. Yeah.
01:07:53
Speaker
I am also very interested in Devin's character, how that all plays out. Does she like follow the dark path and then obviously self realize that it's not good. And then, you know, breaks away from it, which would be a very prototypical story. Right. Which is great. Like that's a, that's a fine story, but we could go down that route.
01:08:16
Speaker
I wouldn't mind the whole, she stays dark. yeah like I wouldn't mind that. My anticipation is she doesn't make it. but right Yeah, I'm kind of with you on that. like I don't see her lasting long or it's one of those kind of shh she goes away and you know just hides for the rest of time yeah or maybe you know her fall to the dark side doesn't last right yeah true and maybe she joins the um what's the to like uh
01:08:57
Speaker
transport or like hide the jedi that that whole um system the path yeah yeah maybe she does that maybe she comes across another jedi or something somehow like who knows right there's there's a lot of ways that they could do that but i'm fascinated to see what they do with her though because i think Again, i don't think we've seen this if at any or very little of, you know, Padawan going dark. I mean, we did see it in Obi-Wan, right? With, um what's her face? I can't remember her name.
01:09:32
Speaker
But she went from Padawan to an Inquisitor. Which it didn't last. Right, it didn't last, right? And really, she was only trying to get revenge. Right, on Anakin, a.k.a. Vader.
01:09:44
Speaker
Yeah. So, I mean, ah again, it and then eventually Kenobi because she felt like he was responsible for Anakin. Right. It's because of his failures. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, again, there's, they, they can do some stuff with Devin and I'm very fascinated to, to see.
01:10:01
Speaker
Um, I do, like you're saying, I think we'll get more Dryden for sure. And maybe Kira. I think that would make sense. I think those are the two that I think I would, um,
01:10:15
Speaker
I would expect for sure. Yeah. So, uh, and anything else you want to say before we wrap it up?
01:10:25
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Um, let me look at my notes real quick.
01:10:31
Speaker
No, I think we pretty much covered everything, you know, it was a good series, man. It really was. It really was. It was great. I can't wait for more. Can't wait for season two. Like it's going to be,
01:10:43
Speaker
It's going to be great. And hopefully we get it sooner rather than later. Hopefully it's not like a two year gap. but Well, they said 27, I think, didn't they? They might have. Yeah, I had I'd have to relook, but they might have.
01:10:54
Speaker
so that If it's that quick, I'm all for it. I'm all for it. We need I need more of that show because it's fantastic. 2027. How you already have like real lightsabers?
01:11:07
Speaker
and I mean, yeah, we're lacking. We're lacking. We're behind. Yeah, here we're way behind. We're supposed to have hoverboards by now, flying cars, and lightsabers.
01:11:19
Speaker
We're way behind the eight ball here, kids. We need to step up our game. All right, kids, that's it. That's the show. I hope you enjoyed our recap of The Mall Shadow lord Season 1. Andrea, if anybody wants to follow you on socials, where can they?
01:11:34
Speaker
Well, I mean, i haven't been on Twitter in forever, but I know it still exists. So you follow me either on, is it called X? Is that what we're so called? Is that what it is still? Yeah, something like that. ah And Instagram at R2D2step.
01:11:51
Speaker
But honestly, you're not going to find a Star Wars presence on either of those. So just listen to the podcast. I 100% agree. Yeah. You guys can follow me, Lauren Romo, at Loro Nose and all the socials. And then obviously Galactic Pod as well. We're on Apple Pod, Google Play, Spotify, all the essentials.
01:12:12
Speaker
So go listen, enjoy. We'll be back with Mando thoughts probably. Yeah, for sure. Mando thoughts. More Star Wars stuff. So stay tuned, kids. And as always, may that force be with you.
01:12:22
Speaker
Always. Always.