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Fight Forever
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This week the boys are talking GCW Backyard 5, Varient Mittens, reviewing AEW Fight Forever and more!
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Sting's Botched Ladder Jump
00:00:35
Speaker
It got so hurt. This is where you should open the show, which is you still laughing uncontrollably about Sting. From now, almost two weeks ago. Hey, everyone. Welcome to Predetermined, to Pro Wrestling Hangout. I'm your host, Chris Miggs. With me, as always, is Jimmy Fax, of course. Hey, Garrett is still laughing about Sting from last week.
00:01:06
Speaker
because you see guys, Sting, after we recorded last week's episode, Sting jumped off a ladder and landed on his face on a table. And Garrett has just been laughing for a week straight. Yeah, I mean, at least that one.
00:01:23
Speaker
I would say he so clearly messed that one up, but like he technically hit the move. So they were at least able to finish the story in the right that they wanted to tell. However, I think for like non wrestling fans.
00:01:39
Speaker
They might not have noticed anything in the pay-per-view match. They might've just been like, oh, that's weird. Like Sammy just hit his move cleanly on Sting. Okay. Whereas the dynamite is dynamite or it was dynamite, right? The dynamite spot was real bad.
00:01:55
Speaker
Really, and they want the announcers even called out. It's live announcing it and I think it was Taz is like, Oh, that's too far. He can't make it. And it's like, Oh yeah. Taz you are correct. That was too far for a 60 year old man and he did not make it.
00:02:11
Speaker
Well, it was very obvious. It was like if if he'd taken like a couple more steps up the ladder, he had a shot because he needed to. But then he didn't get far enough up the ladder. And it's like, well, but if he's if that's the location on the ladder you're going for, well, that's too far a jump. And I like Darby Darby got all the way up and then Sting is like, no, no, no, I'm going to do this. But then he didn't keep going up the ladder. And I almost wonder if that was a shoot where Darby was just like sting.
00:02:39
Speaker
after sunday i i really can't let you do this but like you're being hurt my star power sting i'm happy to do this for you dad
00:02:52
Speaker
him jumping off and hitting like clearly wrong. He broke through one table, looked like he either banged his mouth off the table or off Sammy's knee, and immediately covers his mouth and is clearly talking to Sammy, saying something along the lines of, my teeth hurt.
00:03:12
Speaker
I think the blow off for this is gonna be a singles match, Sammy and Sting. But instead of Sting, like Steve Borden actually wrestling the match, they're just gonna bad grandpa up Darby and just have him work the match just so no one gets seriously hurt. No senior citizens get seriously hurt.
Sting's Retirement Plans
00:03:33
Speaker
Sting is my favorite wrestler. He's ahead of Logan Paul now because they both had botched ladder spots in the last week.
00:03:43
Speaker
Like he said, Sting tried to kill himself on a ladder. I'm going to do it better. And did that on Saturday. And that's why AEW is better than WWE because like when Seth Rollins almost killed Sting, it wasn't funny. Whereas this Sting is hysterical.
00:04:02
Speaker
He's hitting his three Stooges era. He's like, really like, he just spinning around in circles going, whoop, whoop, whoop. I think the retirement is no nowhere in sight at this point. I think he asked him, he was like, nah, it's going to be a bit. He's always said, right? He's been saying since he joined AW that he has a specific story and match in mind to end the career with. He said that it's going to be a tag match that he's done with singles unless they bad grandpop Darby.
00:04:30
Speaker
So I think it's just like, eh, we'll get there when we get there. But he has it in mind. Does he have a final spot that kills him in mind?
GCW Event Critiques
00:04:42
Speaker
Yeah. He's going to literally be crucified in the ring. He's going to come down from the rafters. No one thought that he was going to take the inspiration from Brandon Lee that literally.
00:05:00
Speaker
Jesus Christ, he's, we're gonna- You soon, Garrett? The guy that died 28 years ago? Well, I've never seen a guy get shot to death in the ring, and you know what? Fucking XPW. Hurry up, buds, because- To be fair- Things are gonna beat you to it. To be fair, have you ever seen Eddie Kingston against Dilfboy?
00:05:24
Speaker
Because I think that would get there. I don't know if that exists. I hope not. XPW's got to bring their game, because GCW's stealing Dilfboy from them. Guys, GCW really made a fuck out of me on the 4th of July. We had guests over, including Hardway Heater and his wife, Kelly, the only other people who gave, and our friend Kevin, who gave a shit about watching GCW Backyard.
00:05:53
Speaker
And everybody was bored. And if the wrestling fans are bored, can you imagine what it's like being a non-wrestling fan watching backyard wrestling? That is what they think we watch. And they caught us doing it. Yeah, that DILF boy Joey Janela match. Was that longer than Tremont versus Neil Diamondcutter?
00:06:15
Speaker
It seemed like it was 40 minutes. God, I said that the Dilfboy Janela match was longer than the finale of Succession. That shit. I saw your chat about it. I was at a barbecue, so I didn't watch it. And then when I got home, I was going to watch it. But instead, I just watched a video of Chris chopping kale. Far more action packed.
00:06:41
Speaker
Spoiler alert, that kale goes over. Clean. And I confirmed, yes, 31 minutes, 31 minutes. Wow. Joey Janela just slowly beating the fuck out of Dilfoy while Dilfoy gets two hope spots.
00:07:00
Speaker
Dilfboy got too much action. Like, I think we all tuned in because we thought he's just gonna shoot me the shit out of Dilfboy. We wanted him to get the MAGA butcher treatment on Dilfboy. Already I was mad from the beginning of this because I saw Grimstoyko on my TV. He had a gold chain on, and he was kind of Dilf's little guy. I mean, they do feel like they go kind of together.
00:07:27
Speaker
They are a pair, but here's the thing. If Grim has a video about backyard wrestling, you're going to get to see it, Garret, because YouTube is going to feed it to you. Oh my God, you're right. I didn't even think about that. I'll get to watch that terrible match twice, but from worse angles.
00:07:46
Speaker
It had to have felt good, though, for Mittens, that he was the least annoying. He was not the most annoying person in Backyard. It was definitely Grimstoyko. Are we sure? Because Mittens was shirtless in American flag shorts. I loved it. I loved it. That's hero Mittens. That's surfer Sting. That's his surfer Sting. You know? Sure.
00:08:09
Speaker
I, yeah, I think it's just kind of like, I like it. I want a variant mittens, right? He looks exactly the same all the time. Any, any variant, particularly like now mittens can't do this every show. He starts doing a different outfit, every show I'm out, but like, I think fourth of July, he wants to throw on like a sleeveless Santa shirt, uh, for a Christmas show or something like a couple of times a year. I like it. So if there was a GCW video game, mittens has to have like alternate attire.
00:08:39
Speaker
And by the way, I'm in the red, white and blue ice pop prime in honor of our country's. Pants and pants. Yeah. He's just like mitten pants. Oh.
00:08:59
Speaker
Yeah, that show. And then JJ Allen was a little bit of a disappointment because I mean, backyard one, he brought all the excitement. He got his dick blown off as the finale. He got hit by a car before that. And then this one, he didn't really bring much to the table, though they did blow up a whole bunch of firecrackers on his head, which put him out of the match for a little bit. Yeah.
00:09:23
Speaker
Yeah. It was, it was something, uh, you just, do you know, I just kept throwing Delph boy out of places. Like he threw them like off a ledge onto like a children's toy thing. And then he threw them into like some, a ball pit and then he just threw them off the roof of what I guess is Brett Lauderdale's house.
00:09:46
Speaker
And then he didn't jump off onto him from there. We watched him throw him off the roof, climb all the way down a ladder, walk around the house and pin him. It was... Honestly, this was fucking embarrassing for everybody. I'm... Including the people who watched. Like, Mittens was like, this is too much, guys. Mittens didn't even have a flag for it.
00:10:14
Speaker
My wife was watching it with me, um, cause we were going to watch, uh, some finish up better call Saul. And I was like, don't worry. This will be over in five minutes. And then 20 minutes later, still going.
Independent Wrestling Highlights
00:10:27
Speaker
She, but she thankfully shouldn't, she just didn't even pay. She's just like, I'm on my laptop over here. You just let me know when whatever this is is over. And I was like, do you want me to explain about the history of Dilfoy? And she's like,
00:10:39
Speaker
By the way, by the way, that actually sounds like the name of a GCW show, just whatever this is. Right. Yes. Yes.
00:10:51
Speaker
Um, just speaking of other indie shows, before we get into some other stuff, um, I think he does want to come on and chat about it. I would say over the weekend, I ended up not making the show. There's a lot of storms in Tennessee this weekend and I didn't make it to the show, but heater had like, I would say what is one of his first like certified fucking banger matches.
00:11:18
Speaker
he went up against John Wayne Murdock in ICW. I would say probably his biggest opponent up to this point, other than, I mean, Hoodfoot, who he came up with and is the champion of the company. But I don't know, who do you think is the top guy in deathmatch right now? I think it has to be John Wayne. I think I would put John Wayne Murdock, I think at least a half step above Hoodfoot, just across the industry.
00:11:45
Speaker
Yeah, I think Murdoch's at least top three, I feel like. And that's what Heder and I were talking about that and like he's like, I don't even put Tremont in the top three because he's just like legend status. Nick Gage is like legend status. I don't know. I Murdoch might be the number one guy right now. So the one when when did when did they start doing those sting spots then if they're at legends?
00:12:14
Speaker
But Heater took a move I had not seen before, which is Murdock. Murdock made him look fucking awesome. It looks like you have to kill Heater to beat him in this match. He sets up a pane of glass in the corner of the ring, gets Heater on all fours with his head face first into it, runs across the ring and double knees Heater's face first through the glass.
00:12:44
Speaker
So now what it's interesting, I really, I really want to chat with heater about our respective matches. And I hope the match that I had on Friday night or someone who looks like me, um, is up on IWTV by then because we were both heater and I think we're both covered in red at the end of our matches heater was his own blood. I was covered in the face paint of my opponent.
00:13:14
Speaker
on a white shirt. It happened to be red face paint. So I was also covered in red. It was a little bit less violent though. Heater went through panes of glass and I made dad jokes. So, you know. He said that he is ready to talk shop with you. So next week, if we want him on here, he said that he'll come on and you guys can break down your matches together and, you know, really get into it.
00:13:44
Speaker
Yeah, let's discuss it. I'll talk about the headlock takeover I learned that afternoon. He did also want to know if it was possible for him to get booked at XSW. Absolutely. He's very funny. We know Heater's funny. He could get booked at XSW anytime he wanted to. He said that he would like me to be his little guy for XSW as well. Maybe you and Heater have a match there. I don't know.
00:14:10
Speaker
Sure. Yeah. Maybe it's a, maybe it's a, maybe it's a, uh, or he could, or he could work someone else who actually knows how to wrestle, but, um, to be determined, to be determined. But yeah, if he, if he's next time we have a show, if he's up in the city, we'll get him, uh, I'll get him booked. Sweet.
00:14:33
Speaker
I think that'll be great. It was actually interesting weekend because some of the guys on the XSW show were then on the Casanova Valentine Great American Trash Show the next day. Oh, my God. I didn't catch that one. I did not. It's such a great name. First of all, just a great name. The Great American Trash. That's just that. Yeah. Mm hmm. Was it a bar show or was it? It was a bar show. I think I think Casanova
00:15:01
Speaker
I think Effie was on, it wasn't Casanova and Effie, the main event, it was Casanova and someone else, but it looked like a good time. It looked like a fun time. He's gonna finally be here. I've never seen Casanova live. He's gonna be here for Circle Six. Okay, yeah, it seems like he, the great American trash and the slingshot house guys are doing stuff. When did Circle Six come into Nashville? I believe it's August. Okay. And it's a no ring show, right?
00:15:29
Speaker
Yeah, it's back at Cobra where they did, where KOBK did their thing last. And I mean, the people on the show, I think there's only three matches. I think there's three matches and two bands. And honestly, like the people that are on the card, I don't think they've announced the official lineup yet, but the people on the card have me very excited. Who else? Who's on it? I've been here.
00:15:55
Speaker
Heater, Hoodfoot, Justice, AJ, Casanova, and I'm missing one. That's a pretty stacked lineup, yeah. Yeah. For a deathmatch bar show, that's a fun Friday night. Mm-hmm. That's like top tier, Circle Six, I think, basically. Yeah.
00:16:16
Speaker
So
AEW Video Game Overview
00:16:17
Speaker
speaking of top tier guys, we should really like this has been a big, big week. I mean, it's been so big that I've been texting on top about how I'm not watching the Pope's Exorcist. I ordered it. It's sitting on my Amazon Prime Rentals list because there's just too much else to talk about. We'll talk about the Pope's Exorcist. We got the game is out. The game is out. The game that and John Moxie in Japan.
00:16:46
Speaker
We've got a Japanese game with Jon Moxley in it, and then we've actual flesh and blood Jon Moxley in Japan. Both of those things are happening this way. So I'm curious, again, I have not played the game yet. How's the game, guys? Let's start with this, this base level. Are you satisfied with what you got, with what you've been waiting for? Yes. I mean, I think I definitely got my money's worth. I was sold a bill of goods by Kenneth Omega.
00:17:15
Speaker
Uh, about two years ago, where he basically, and not so many words said, what you're getting is no mercy. A game that was released in what, like 2001 or something like that for Nintendo 64. He's like, you're just getting that game, but updated for modern consoles and with the AEW roster. And that's pretty much exactly what it is. And therefore from a gameplay and what the game is.
00:17:40
Speaker
I'm very satisfied. There are lots of things that do feel kind of budget and incomplete and unpolished. Some of them are kind of funny, which makes that kind of fun. But it definitely feels like, and going back to No Mercy, if you played like WCW world tour, then revenge, then WrestleMania 2000, then No Mercy, you see that it wasn't really like the first one world tour is kind of dog shit.
00:18:07
Speaker
And it was really WWE revenge, the second one where they really got the formula right. And then the WrestleMania game was better and then no mercy was the pinnacle. So I do feel like it's there.
00:18:18
Speaker
And we can talk about some of the specifics, but that's my general take is if you don't want a simplified game, if you're like, I love how complicated modern fighting games and WWE games, the UFC games are, this is not for you. If you want a more arcadey game, if you want something like those old throwback games, this is absolutely the game.
00:18:42
Speaker
That sounds like it's for me then. Yeah. No, I don't want it to be hard. I just want to play the wrestling game. Someone mentioned that they felt some of the aspects like the momentum thing was actually kind of closer to the WWE games on GameCube, including like Dave Reckoning, which I saw that and I was like, maybe I'm really in if that's the case, because that sounds...
00:19:03
Speaker
That's my favorite, one of my favorite games ever. Yeah, I mean, that was still a close-up error that they're very similar, right? Like No Mercy? Right. It's very similar. I would say that you load up the meter quicker.
00:19:15
Speaker
Um, and it probably makes a bigger impact. Cause it's like finishing moves in this are fucking murder death kills. Like you hit finishing moves. Like when you're playing the computer and like you're winning the whole match, but you're getting a little cute. You're like, I want to finish with a frog splash. And then all of a sudden they hit like a couple of moves on you real quick, or they do one of those reversals. Like the young bucks do when you play against the young bucks, you'll hit a finisher and they'll immediately low below you.
00:19:42
Speaker
And it just completely swings the momentum, even though you just hit a finisher. And then like MJF is very much a similar situation. Like MJF is always going to hit your dick when you think you're about to win. And when you get hit in the dick, the momentum like flips like completely. Like you go from wherever you are to the lowest momentum, like in the danger zone. So like Brock Lesnar in an Undertaker match.
00:20:08
Speaker
So like they'll hit a finisher on you right after that. And you're like, fuck, I just lost this match. I spent 18 minutes on. Yep. For me.
00:20:19
Speaker
I do like all those games that you mentioned, but the era that I played all the WCW WWE games, but once we hit PS2 and got to SmackDown just bring it, which is not un-similar to the others that you mentioned,
00:20:38
Speaker
um it just this feels like that to me that that game was like coming home after a day of high school and like i'm gonna play that till it's fucking bedtime and this is giving me the same feelings i got playing that game i love that
00:20:57
Speaker
I can just press a button and punch. I can press a button and kick. You could pick it up and in one match, quickly figure out how to do a finisher on somebody. Yeah. It's very intuitive too. And like they give you little like toasts of like when you, you get your, your meter to where you get his special, like it'll literally tell you on screen.
00:21:18
Speaker
every match not just like your first match as like oh yeah hit this button because different guys hit finishers from different positions you kind of need it because it's like oh i'm gonna play with orange cassie for the first time i wonder does he have a top rope finisher does he have like what what kind of finishers does he have and you just go to that position see if the finisher button comes up
AEW Game Story Mode
00:21:38
Speaker
I am curious facts, what was your first match? Like you get the game on and what is the first thing you go to? So my first match was, so I like you did go starting with Kenny Omega and hitting a one-winged angel was my absolute first objective.
00:21:59
Speaker
However, knowing that it's a new game and I might not go over, I wanted to go against somebody who could get a little bit of juice from beaten Kenny. So I went with the Murder Hawk.
00:22:12
Speaker
Um, oh shit, because I love his music. Obviously great music. Wanted to see how the music translated to the game. Entrances, by the way, not great. They're very, like they're real. Like they're there, but they're like really short, which is kind of strange. Um, but they have a murder. Hawk only punches like one young boy, not, not like four. Right. Exactly. And, but he does have the music, all the real musics there, including by the way, the music for guys, not in the game.
00:22:38
Speaker
The 2.0 music's in there. Those guys aren't in the game. The Acclaimed are not in this game somehow. But they're all over the soundtrack. Not only is their song something that you can put in to create a player, like Castor is rapping over like every single screen in this game. During to create a player, it's all him rapping about create a player mode.
00:23:01
Speaker
Which is incredible. It's better than being in the game. But why isn't he in the game? But nonetheless. And I'm glad I did that because I did not go over. The Murder Hawk took me. I lost my first match. I did an immediate rematch. I did hit the one-winged angel the second time around. And that did get the one, two, three, of course. Very nice. And who was your opponent? Because I know you started with Kenny. Or did you go bye? I did.
00:23:29
Speaker
I started with Kenny in the exploding barbed wire death match and me and Chucky T had probably the bloodiest wrestling match in the history of the business. I didn't figure out how to do the finishers right away. I did end up going over, but a surprisingly long match for Chuck Taylor on television.
00:23:49
Speaker
Speaking of Chuck Taylor, so the story mode is hot garbage. It's again, and Gary, I know you said beautiful. It's clearly written by a Japanese man who's never watched wrestling, right? Like not even like he watches New Japan, like he's never watched any wrestling of any kind. And also doesn't think highly of us as wrestling fans. He thinks our intelligence levels pretty fucking low, which to be fair,
00:24:16
Speaker
Yeah, if you want a good like story mode, WWE has got them beat by a lot there. The story mode in the WWE games is far and away the best part of them.
00:24:25
Speaker
But the actual gameplay sucks. So tell me about your journeys, guys. Well, I want to jump to my second, because I'm in my second time through, because it tells you it's broken down into each pay-per-view. So you start, it always starts at double or nothing, and you're signed by AW and immediately thrown in the casino battle royale. That's how it always starts. Then depending on how you do each pay-per-view, it tells you you're at block 1A, block 2B, block 3C.
00:24:54
Speaker
And so I wanted to go through again and see how it was different. Now that said, first time through I did create a player facts because that's also the way you get to power your guys up so that your actual creative player can be competitive.
00:25:09
Speaker
Did you give him gringo locos moves? No, no, no. I did all like strong style because there's so many good, like the creative player, the move set and creative player is so good. Like it has, like they, Kenny Omega clearly gave direction of like, I want to be able to create every all Japan guy from the nineties and early two thousands and every current NJPW guy.
00:25:33
Speaker
There's Desinos, there's Rainmakers, there's Meteora. So I did a total, I basically did a strong style guy, but with a bigger top rope, flippy arsenal. And I closed that with the belly to back to the haymaker, keeping wrist control. That was my finisher.
00:25:57
Speaker
Um, so again, the games were all very fun. Second time through I go, Oh, I'm going to play as a tag team this time and see what the tag team mode is. So when you get to the selector player, it starts with your singles and you click like the L button or R button and you go to tag teams and I go, I don't want to be the box. That seems like that'd be like cheating. Oh, best friends. So I select best friends as my team. Then it's like, which one do you want to be your primary guy?
00:26:26
Speaker
And of course Mount Sinai is two towns over from where I grew up. I had to go with Trent. So again, it starts with the battle, the casino battle Royal, right? And depending on whether you win that or not determines what your next block is. Now I lost both times. I'm assuming most people are not winning the casino battle Royal on their first match. Um, it's very, my second time through I eliminated like 11 guys or something crazy, but I still lost.
00:26:56
Speaker
So it goes to the exact same- You're making me feel like a badass. I won that shit going in at number two with Darby. Ooh. I don't know how you got in at number two, because I was always number one. I just assumed you always started as number one.
00:27:10
Speaker
I got two, but I eliminated like everybody. And I really didn't think, I was like, there's no way I win this. And I fucking made it to the end with Darby. Oh, wow. So I didn't do that. I thought I was going to do it because I'm just hitting finishers and throwing some people out left and right with Trent.
00:27:27
Speaker
Um, but then again, somebody just got hot, hit a finisher, threw me out. What are you going to do? So anyway, the first time I play through, I lose and block one B is it's called like an unexpected partner. And my unexpected partner with John Moxley, it kind of worked. So it's facts and mocks.
00:27:46
Speaker
thing. So I'm like, Oh, Trent loses. Well, he already has an actual tag team partner. I guess I'm an, and block one B ends with you getting to the tag title match. So facts and mocks won the AW tag titles. When you play as the best friends, I also won the tag titles with Trent and Matt Hardy.
00:28:09
Speaker
Chuck hasn't showed up. They didn't let me have Chuckie win the title. They were like, I feel like if I did choose Chuck as my top guy, they would have been like, nah, it's Trent. They would have been like, no, you can't be Chuck or you just can't win. We can't see gold on him.
00:28:27
Speaker
You mentioned the young bucks a bit ago. I do want to mention this one. They made the young bucks very fucking fun to play as like those guys are like end bosses even when you were them. Like I love that they made it to where like a super kick is a punch basically like you can throw super kicks like you wanna with the young.
00:28:50
Speaker
I love that everybody is just as fun as you think they're going to be. And in the exact ways they are like because like you mentioned Darby is a lot of fun in very different ways. But basically you just once you kind of have the basics of the controls down, you can just play like I remember I played my first game as Darby and I'm just like, what do I think Darby can do? And I just did it. And yeah, that's what he does.
00:29:22
Speaker
You fight sting a lot by the way in the story mode they really want you fighting sting frequently
00:29:31
Speaker
Okay, so we gotta mention the story mode and what is stupid about the story mode. So, I'll go ahead and say, my first story mode I mentioned I played is Darby. It opens with Darby lifting about 20 pounds of weight on a barbell, and he gets a phone call, and I'm gonna go through both sides of the conversation here. It's basically like, ring ring, and he looks down, he's like, oh no, I missed a call from Tony Khan.
00:29:59
Speaker
And then he calls Tony Comics, hey Tony, I'm sorry I missed your call. Tony, it's okay Darby, I know you're a busy guy. Darby, one second Tony, let me find a quiet corner of the gym. Watch guy walk to quiet corner of gym and take phone call.
00:30:21
Speaker
It is insane. Like, it's funny that it's just like copy and paste dialogue for no matter who you play, but making Darby seem like such a simple person is fucking hilarious. And whoever your opponent is, because now that I'm playing through it second time, if you play through the same story, it'll assign a different random opponent to you, right? Like, so again, like Mox was who they kind of randomly assigned the first time through, and then they did the exact same thing with Matt Hardy where he said the exact same lines.
00:30:50
Speaker
with nothing different. It's really weird. And also, there's little things you can do between dynamites and between matches for different power-up stuff. But you can only use it if you have a creative player. Otherwise, it's like, oh, gain these points to power up and add additional moves. And then when I did it as Trent, it's like, oh, no. Trent's Trent. You can't add moves to Trent. And it's like, oh, but what if I want to?
00:31:20
Speaker
I want to give Trent a more powerful finisher.
00:31:24
Speaker
Chris, the shit you have to do in between, where it's like, hey, you got pretty fucked up in that casino battle royal. It doesn't say it like that. It probably doesn't say, you got hurt real bad. You need, so your options before you go to your next match, you can work out, but that will hurt you further. You can pay the money you just made to go to the hospital, because in the game, the workers don't have healthcare, I guess. It's accurate.
00:31:53
Speaker
It's And then what is it's like you could take your meal Which that's the worst dialogue is that you talking to the same waitress in every city? It's the same restaurant the same waitress you sit in the same seat but each one has like a different fun name and Different local delicacy and it's and then you get to hear Darby Allen going num num num num num. Yeah, you're like
00:32:19
Speaker
Although I will say there was one where Brian Danielson did come and critique me for eating unhealthy, which that actually felt very realistic. That's amazing. This is a wrestling game, right? Is there a mode in which you end up doing coke and banging the waitress? I haven't gotten there yet. I haven't played as Moxley though.
00:32:42
Speaker
I am gonna play as a woman next to see, because I'm really curious if the women is also gonna be exactly the same. And it's just instead of Mox or Matt Hardy, it's just Nyla Rose now. Or if they bothered to write a second story for the women.
00:33:01
Speaker
The best thing though, Chris, is yeah, you feed him to raise his health. But next it's like, you just like, I want to wrestle. So you click wrestle and it's like, are you sure? Are you sure you don't want to take Darby Allen sight scene? Yeah. And I was like, okay, I guess I'll take Darby Allen sight scene. I click the thing and then Darby.
00:33:22
Speaker
Basically, honestly, I guess he's kind of running the path across the country as Forrest Gump, saying shit that maybe Forrest Gump would think.
AEW Game Features and Customization
00:33:33
Speaker
Guys, I'm not joking when I tell you this. I took Darby to the Lincoln Memorial.
00:33:41
Speaker
And Darby Allen, I get a behind the shoulder shot. He's in face paint mind you this whole time. So he's at the gym in face paint, he's at the restaurant in face paint, he's at the Lincoln Memorial. He never takes it off. He's looking at it and he goes, Abraham Lincoln was the 16th president of the United States.
00:34:02
Speaker
the things he did had a lasting impact on this country. And when I'm W a W champion, it's going to have a lasting impact on this company. And it's like, yeah, this is what Darby thinks. Like these are sure. Darby thinks about Abraham Lincoln all the time.
00:34:20
Speaker
Just constantly. And another thing too is like, and I'm sure at the Lincoln Memorial, cause I went there twice in my two, both times, both times Pac was there. And then you take a picture of Pac and you're like, Pac, you're British. Why are you here? And it's just a whole thing.
00:34:36
Speaker
Also, like, do you both, in both cases, do you have Fanny packs? Cause I feel like from the nineties, there's always like pictures of like the wrestlers by like a roadside and they're just, it's just them in like really short shorts and Fanny packs. No, they do generally outside of Derby's face paint do a pretty decent job of like putting people in street clothes, but no Fanny packs. That's probably DLC that they're charging extra for. Um, also weirdly FTR. So I did Garrett, did you get, you got like the pre-order back where you get Matt Hardy and FTR.
00:35:06
Speaker
I have the Matt Hardy. I don't know what I also got the legendary edition. Also for fans that want to figure it out, Cody is not unlocked in the game by default, but you have to buy him from the store.
00:35:25
Speaker
using $10,000 that you get beating one match. Yeah, it's really weird. You can buy absolute. I didn't even know there was money in the store to use until I'd already beat in story mode. And then I literally won time and I literally bought every single thing in the store. And it was like, why is this even anyway, though, with FTR. So I get FTR. It has FTR has both guys music and everything, but it doesn't add them to the tag team list.
00:35:53
Speaker
So you have to create FTR as a tag team. And then when you create FTR as a tag team, you could choose their music. There's a tag team entrance for them. There's double teams. There's double team taunts. They have all of the FTR stuff, but you have to do it yourself for some reason. That's what I mean. Like there's a lot of things like that that are just like unpolished, but we gotta, gotta talk about.
00:36:15
Speaker
The real reason why this is great is the ladder match is far and away the best ladder match in I've ever played a video game. And the exploding barbed wire match is phenomenally fun. It is so fun. It is probably the most fun I've ever had in a wrestling video game.
00:36:37
Speaker
Yeah, there there's so much good about it. And honestly, the good like so far outweighs the bad for sure. And really like it has definitely shown me like they've said that they're not going to release one of these games every year. But the plan is to just do a lot more DLC.
00:36:55
Speaker
And I would I'm so excited for when they start adding like cage matches and different because there's really I want a lot of options as far as matches go. I want the forbidden door DLC like again, neither Jim nor Jimmy are so you can put in any name you want in the creative player, right? You just write it in. But then you have to have the ring announcer, right? Only as a set number of things that he can say. So then it has a separate field for you to put in your name for him to say no, Jimmy.
00:37:25
Speaker
No gym, no Timmy, no Tim, but there's Shingo, there's Kazuchka, there is Minoru, right? Speaking of real quick, I don't know if I said this, but when we were watching Forbidden Door, my wife goes, that's Okada's first name? He doesn't look like a Kazuchka.
00:37:50
Speaker
I think he looks like he's good, but yeah, so like I'm hoping that that's not just so you can create a player them. Like I know that that's there at a minimum, but I'm hoping there because again, there's things like like again, like the two guys music being in the game and the claims, like clearly two and the acclaimed are going to be coming as as deals and like a bunch of like there's one of the current champions because I remember I tried to get that was one thing I don't know, but I'm OCD. I tried to get the right. I'm like, okay.
00:38:19
Speaker
I have the Chris that lander when the TBS belt. Now I got to have Luchasaurus when the TNT belt and I'm trying to think, Oh, there's no hook. I couldn't have hooked when the FTW belt. So hooks. One of our first DLCs. Okay. Cause that's been announced when, when, when we pre-ordered cause like it's called the elite edition, right? Like the, the fancy one. Yeah. That's the one I got. I got the fancy one.
00:38:42
Speaker
Yeah, same. Uh, when I ordered it, it told me the things I was going to get up front and we've only gotten FTR. Cause it, so apparently these are in the next two is going to be, uh, the bunny and Keith Lee and then hook and Dan house. Keith Lee's going to be in the next two. Keith Lee is going to be real fun in a video game. Hook will be real fun. Cause Taz was always a lot of fun in, in the WWE video games back in the day.
00:39:07
Speaker
And actually, Dan Housen is probably like, I wouldn't want to play a full story mode with him, but I bet he's really fun to play with like once or twice. I'm mentioning that they've got like a specific story mode for hook and it just involves having dinner with Taz a lot. So it don't pay attention to that waitress hook. You've got to focus. Let's talk about submission.
00:39:35
Speaker
submissions and the Long Island lacrosse scene. I'm also so with the DLC so far, it's all going to be like just they're adding guys so far. They're not adding like modes or.
00:39:50
Speaker
Well, that's kind of the modern fight game. Like if you buy a Mortal Kombat game, you get like a set 10 guys and then you either have to pay for the season pass or essentially pay like it's like buying a digital action figure. You got to pay like five bucks a guy. And like like Adam and like action figures, you can buy a playset. So I'm sure they'll be like arenas because the arena selections really lackluster. It's just like changes the very basics.
00:40:18
Speaker
for the paper views to kind of match the graphics, but the actual arena is like exactly the same. So hopefully they'll add some. I'll let you guys know I put some real bangers on on dark, though. Yeah, I I definitely I know you would hit a five star match before I did. I still have sick. I still haven't hit a six star match, so.
00:40:40
Speaker
Now, I've only gotten it with the books. I've always been told is the Tokyo domain. No, that'll be in the. So that's definitely. Yeah, that's going to be forbidden door. And one forbidden door gets seven and forbidden door. The show isn't even here as a pay per view. It's just the AEW pay per views, you know.
00:41:01
Speaker
But we have to think too, like when they started playing, like building the game, like a lot of these people, like the acclaimed weren't even really a tag team yet when they started this game, right? Yeah, but you don't start the game by building the roster. That's the thing you do last. So like the claim not being in the game is inexcusable. And for a game that cause again, this elite edition costs us like what, 80 bucks or something like that. And the normal, the normal game is 60. So it's like you're charging full price.
00:41:30
Speaker
And like, you know, not for nothing. And I guess it's kind of cool that Cody's still in the game. Um, so you do have it both ways, but it's like there it's, I mean, they claim literally wrestled more matches than any team in the history of AEW. They've been there since day one. Like, how do you not have the acclaimed in the game? But yet the big shows in the fucking game, he's wrestled what one match? Is he somebody you can choose in the regular roster?
00:41:58
Speaker
I think so, I haven't tried. I think he's gotta get unlocked. I think he has to get unlocked. I think you have to beat him in story mode or something, I think I saw. Okay. I've definitely beat him in story mode, so maybe that's why I think he's unlocked.
00:42:09
Speaker
Yeah. And I saw that you also can unlock Owen Hart at this point, too. I haven't done that. I haven't seen anything to that nature. You unlock him and then you have to buy him where you bought Cody is what it is funny because I did. And I texted you guys this like the big show feels like a boss character because like you can't slam him anytime you try to do any of the grapple moves, even if you're not trying to slam him, you go to the slam thing and then your guy grabs his back and can't do it until you have enough momentum.
00:42:36
Speaker
he blocks everything so you can't strike him and then he for what and those two things like okay that the big show that kind of makes sense but then he reverses everything
00:42:45
Speaker
which is like what I've never seen him reverse anything ever. But they do a good job of like the size match ups where if I'm playing Darby and I'm trying to fight powerhouse Hobbs, if I try and do top rope stuff, he's going to catch you every single time and not let me land a top rope move. So I don't know if if you're listening to this and you're on the fence about buying it,
00:43:13
Speaker
To me, this is the wrestling game I've been waiting many, many years to play. Like it is just, it's a pickup and play wrestling game. It doesn't make me feel like an idiot unless I play story mode. And then honestly, the creative player is for us. It doesn't have as many options as the modern WWE games, but it's the exact options I want. Cause like things like that anti aerial defense, you can choose that for your guy and you have a limited number of things. You can't just choose every.
00:43:38
Speaker
Right. So it's like, Oh, I, this is what I want to play as. And again, the move set is incredible. You could do all kinds of different moves. It's really annoying to find the right move when you get to things like finishers, where it can be any type of move in any kind of position, because there's no way to search them. And then you can look at things and it's like, Oh, I want a moon salt. And you're like, I don't see moon salt. And then it's, Oh, it's diving moon salt.
00:44:02
Speaker
Like really that's not under just moonsault and I can't find it under moonsault. But again, there's a lot of these little quality life things that they need to improve on, but like it's so worth it. Is there an online story mode? Like could we all be at, could we be a triple threat group? I don't think so. We could create a group. So you, there is an online mode and you can create your own teams and factions. Um, I don't believe there's a story mode aspects to it though.
00:44:30
Speaker
Because again, you're just going to team with Matt Hardy or mocks regardless of who your actual tag team partner is. That's disappointing. I want us to like all of us with new Japan moves just. It's just it's just me, but I had but people like Ishi. That's. They definitely don't have that. They'll definitely have that for you. I just I love that because I think right now, like I've got a 10 month old kid
00:44:57
Speaker
video games i do not have like i got the new zelda game and i've gotten to play it like two hours and this is a game that's going to take me you know 100 hours to beat and by the time like i get to pick it up again and play it i've already forgotten the controls it's nice for me to have a video game that like i'm going to be able to pick up and play for 20 minutes at a time throughout the week when i have the the free time
00:45:22
Speaker
Well, that's my only thing about like modern video games is like, but I used to love that video games. They were like relaxing, you know, like I could play Tecmo Super Bowl and my brain could go off because I could, I could physically just do that without really thinking, even like those, again, the no mercy and like game cube games. Like you could, your brain could go on autopilot a little bit. Like you might have to think about certain things, but like.
00:45:46
Speaker
Mentally, it was not that hard. It wasn't taking that big a load. So it sounds nice to play something. Yeah, where like you can just
00:45:53
Speaker
play the game and like forget about your day and, and visit, visit the Lincoln Memorial. And like the easy mode is super easy. And then they have like a super easy mode where like you don't even need to hit buttons other than lockup and strike and it'll mix up lockups and strikes for you. I haven't tried that one because again, normal easy mode and even the normal mode are both easy enough. Like easy, but it's easy right away. Normal modes, pretty easy. Once you have a couple of matches in you, um,
00:46:24
Speaker
So it gets to be mindless. My thing has been like, you can absolutely play this game for 10 minutes and probably do at least two matches, maybe more. But like also I found I'll put it on like at night and all of a sudden my wife is walking in and being like, you know, it's like one in the morning and you've been playing this for like two and a half hours. And I'm like, Oh, I didn't know that.
00:46:47
Speaker
Also, why is an avatar of you on the screen hanging out with this waitress? Is your character giving her your number? What are you shoving into your penis hole?
00:47:03
Speaker
Did you just offer the waitress a room key out of Ramada? That's actually would be good DLC, right? So they have to create a player DLC. They have to play the character DLC. They have the arena DLC. And then on the road, like there's certain locations that I don't know you get it. So like you go to New York, New York, right? But like they should have one that's like.
00:47:23
Speaker
You know, they did a show in Atlantic City, do Atlantic City DLC. And like, when you go to the restaurant, it's not a restaurant, it's just a strip club. And the meal, instead of being food, it's just cocaine in a bathroom stall. And, but then they have the nice picture explaining, cocaine is the national pastime of Atlantic City.
00:47:43
Speaker
You're actually selling me on whatever they're doing for Grand Theft Auto 6. It should take place in the 70s and star a professional wrestler. Cocaine will improve your energy level, but may hurt your health long term.
Rumble Slam Board Game Introduction
00:47:58
Speaker
By the way, there was a God damn it, you're going to beat whole Kogan. There was a really good comic book. Its name is escaping me as an image comic a couple of years ago, where it's about a wrestler, I think in the 80s. And he's also like selling cocaine and working for cocaine dealers. You've been doing a lot of cocaine on the side. I think it was called like a ringside or something like that.
00:48:19
Speaker
Just a little plug. Do you just call it a cocaine dealership? Yes. It was the 80s. They just they were very open about things. They had storefronts. The cocaine dealership was Delory. They would have.
00:48:33
Speaker
You can get a Ford or some cocaine. I'm also going to, by the way, plug another wrestling game I played in the last week that I really love as a long time listeners to the podcast. No, I'm a huge tabletop gamer. Chris, I am demanding that you come over and play this with me. It's a game called Rumble Slam, and it is a tabletop miniature game with pro wrestling. Now you can play as orcs or dwarves or humans or unicorns, even.
00:49:02
Speaker
So it's like fantasy, but it is pro wrestling and it feels like pro wrestling. It is everything I've wanted. I have bought almost every wrestling board game ever made. And they're almost all, they're all somewhere between dog shit to barely playable. And this one is actually really, really good and feels like you're playing a pro wrestling match with, with dice.
00:49:26
Speaker
Yeah, we played hero clicks together. That's the one, right? Hero, hero clicks, the game I love and is a very fun game. The wrestling adaptation doesn't work great.
00:49:38
Speaker
But this game, Rumble Slam, which is a standalone game is great. So it comes the box that comes with like a team with like humans and hobbits against orcs and goblins. I already bought additional factions so that I'll have some dwarves and some vampires. So this sounds like something Cindy would be into. She'd be like, bring her over. You know, there's rules to up to a four way dance.
00:50:05
Speaker
Facts. Yeah, I was going to say you were saying a combination of words that I'm interested in and a combination of words that my wife is interested in. Like I'll also pack it up next time I'm in Nashville. Again, it's it's it plays. The core rules are for two to four players. So you play two players, play three players. And even if you do two, by the way, if you want to do couples thing.
00:50:30
Speaker
You each just, you do, it's a tag team match. So usually me and my friend Johnny did the starters that is five on five. So it's kind of like a survivor series match. So you can even easily do you and your wife control a team together and you just take these two and she takes these two. Like I'll take the wrestler and she's like, I'll take the vampire.
00:50:53
Speaker
You're like, and there's a Vince McMahon character, but he's all wrong. And that's real. I mean, not literally Vince McMahon is a Balrog, but I bought, there's a macho man. That's like a dwarf.
00:51:05
Speaker
There's a orc Hogan, that's clearly a Hogan. So there's a, but I bought both of those, of course.
WWE Records and Events
00:51:11
Speaker
The game has made it in the UK. So they won't be here if you come over this weekend, Chris, they won't be here yet, I don't think. But I ordered a lot of them. There's an orc China, that's clearly China, like has like a chain mail, brassiere. It looks very evocative of late, late WWE China, not late, late China.
00:51:33
Speaker
Um, is there a magic powder? I haven't seen all the special rules, you know, cause you don't get the characters special rules, um, until you buy them. Right. So it has like, I guess when you buy the guy, there's a little figurine of them that you play with the little miniature and it comes with their card, their special abilities. So I will find out, but I'm hoping between the Hogan one, the Savage one.
00:51:55
Speaker
Maybe there's a Ric Flair. I honestly don't remember. I just blacked out. Next thing I knew, I had to charge for 120 pounds on my PayPal account. I paid 120 pounds and I was surrounded by little men. Sorry, I'm trying to look something up right now that I thought was kind of an interesting fact that happened in a
00:52:23
Speaker
in WWE. I saw that over the weekend at Money in the Bank. Oh, yeah, that Guinness Book of World. Yeah, it did that the Guinness Book of World Records came and presented Natalia with six Guinness Records for drinking or cosmetic surgery. No, like
00:52:45
Speaker
It was, I mean, she had been in the most paper views of any woman. She had been in more Wrestle manias than any woman. She had wrestled more raws. I actually, she might have been just wrestled more matches on raw than literally anyone. Like, I don't even think it was female. I feel like there's almost no way that that's true, right? I mean, like, if you think about her Instagram or
00:53:16
Speaker
But yeah, I so will before we get into Jon Moxley in New Japan, because we're going to need some time on that. I will say money in the bank was kind of garbage, but I did enjoy I did enjoy the main event with the Bloodline Civil War. The first 10 minutes are the slowest 10 to 15 minutes of a match in history. Like literally, if you're I would say fast forward to that match.
00:53:45
Speaker
Um, you, if you want to see the very end of the first mattresses, the men's money, the bank, you can see like Logan Paul and Ricochet almost die. Um, but not, it's not funny, like staying, but then fast forward to the main event and then just fast forward literally like 15 minutes into the main event. I think the match is something like 38 minutes or something crazy. Like 35 minutes, but the first 15 minutes, they don't are like a triple H match.
00:54:13
Speaker
It's not even, it's like, it's like, you remember those, that young bucks match where they didn't actually do a move and they just kept, but it was funny. And then they did like a lot of athletic stuff. This was the opposite of that. We're like, they kept being like, should I lock up? Should I lock up? Like, Oh, am I gonna, like, you guys have been feuding for fucking two months. Like just fight. And then once they started fighting, it was great.
00:54:37
Speaker
They looked like me trying to do anything in WWE 2K. Yeah, exactly. That's what it looked like. Where it's just like, I just want to hit the fucking punch button, but it just keeps changing poses. And I start half doing a taunt and then stop.
00:54:54
Speaker
Because legitimately, I I picked up the show somewhere in I forget what a match was on when I when I turned it on. I had no idea it was on in London. So I found out when you guys were talking about I'm like, oh, shit, it already happened. And it was like seven p.m. Eastern. And I'm like, oh, I'll put on the replay. And it's seven p.m. Eastern the day of it. You couldn't get it on fucking because the replay didn't come on until about nine p.m. Eastern.
00:55:21
Speaker
when I watched it, but sorry, I interrupted. So I watched for a while, because I was like, oh, I'll see if the Cody match is on. I watched the Cody match, which.
00:55:30
Speaker
was really nothing, like he kind of squashed Dom, it was fine. And then I had it on for a bit and finally I was like, in like 10 minutes into the Bloodline match, I was like, nothing is happening. I've watched too many like commercials and this has been too long. I watched John Cena talk about London for like 15 minutes and then beat up a guy I needed to Google. So I turned it off and then you were like, wow, that was, that Bloodline match was really, really good.
00:55:56
Speaker
And I was like, you mean like, like after the first 10 minutes? You're like, yeah, yeah, specifically. Yeah. So it's like almost like the first 10 to 15 minutes is negative three stars. It is not like building drama. Good. It is really bad. Just fast forward through it. The rest of the match is really good. Nothing else on the pay-per-view.
Jun Kasai's Impact in New Japan
00:56:17
Speaker
was better than powerhouse hubs against Dustin Rhodes on collision. And I didn't think that was a very good match just to put in perspective. I'm not saying, oh, that powerhouse versus Dustin match was a fucking banger. It was fine. But I'm just saying, like, an average AEW show, every single match on that is better than every single thing on Money in the Bank, except for the main event. And the main event, once it got going, was really good. And it had a really good finish, too.
00:56:51
Speaker
I'm excited to hear you guys talk about New Japan because I didn't get to see either of these matches from the week. So I haven't seen. So we're recording on July 5th. I have not seen today's match, which was the final death match. Final death is the name of the match, to be clear, between Despy and Mox. I did see yesterday, which was the demolition, no DQ match.
00:57:17
Speaker
Exciting encounter. Exciting encounter, not a match. But it was Demolition, no DQ, not just no DQ, which was June Kasai and Despy against Homicide and Jon Moxley. And I, like, woke up yesterday and didn't have my phone on me. I remember, like, I went back upstairs. I'd been up for, like, an hour. And I just see all these messages from Chris. They're like, he's already watching the show. He's already loving it. And I'm like,
00:57:47
Speaker
I wasn't gonna watch this, but Chris seems super enthusiastic about it. And I put it on and I'll be God damned if it wasn't one of the, and Garrett, I don't use this lightly. It was one of the God damnedest things I've ever seen. It was, and I'm not even saying like one of the God damnedest things I've seen this week. I'm just saying full stop. Like there were so many incredible things about this. And the fact that this is happening in Corrigan Hall is just blowing my mind.
00:58:15
Speaker
Right. That was my next question is where it was. So it's Corrigan. June Kasai wrestled Corrigan on a new Japan. So and it's a very bloody deathmatch that has a razor wire crucifix in it.
00:58:29
Speaker
In Corrigan Hall, and I'm watching it at like 10 in the morning, in Corrigan Hall, in an actual New Japan show, it's America's birthday, by the way, but this is in Tokyo, and they bring a bunch of American dresswords. And here's the thing about Junkusai,
00:58:47
Speaker
is I'm just like, well, what are the people in Corrigan think? Because for anyone that's been to a show there, there's the bleacher seats, which are just the ones just the left, right of the ring. And you can't buy those. They always get sold out instantaneously to the same people every time they've season tickets. So these same people go to every single show. And that's like a lot of the kirk and faithful. It's like the same people that just watch every New Japan show.
00:59:12
Speaker
Yet you saw people in the stands here. I've never seen this at any New Japan show or any show of any kind of kuriken. People are yelling about June Kasai. They are up, they are moving around. I've never seen kuriken hall swaying like this, how much they loved Kasai.
00:59:31
Speaker
Yeah, it definitely feels like it brought like a different crowd to New Japan, which was kind of fun that it was really these people who are like, love Jun Kasai and are like, holy shit, we're going to get to see Jun Kasai wrestle a New Japan match against Jon Moxley. Yeah. I mean, that is.
00:59:47
Speaker
Did Homicide get in on the blood and violence? Oh, of course. Lovely forkwork from Homicide. Really artistic. Yeah, no one. So Despy comes out, his mask is already ripped. Not like he even rips it during his entrance. It is ripped before his entrance starts. That's how we set the tempo for this match. And all four guys are on the receiving and dealing end of punishment.
01:00:13
Speaker
Yeah. There's a fork board. I feel like they go into like a brawl early and it's kind of like, Hey, they're brawling in the crowd. It's good. Okay. We're building. And I don't know about you, but I'm thinking like, Oh, is this going to be like the watered down core conversion of a death match because of that of like, Oh, brawling in the crowd. Like they don't do it a lot in Corrigan, but like I've seen that. But no, it, and then they get to the, yeah, it's a fucking death match. It is a death match. It is. If you did not know it was new Japan, you would never think it was new Japan in Tokyo.
01:00:42
Speaker
There's literally facts like gloss, kind of gloss passes. There's literally something that could best be described as a, um, what did I call it on our text? Right. Eraser board crucifix. Yeah.
01:00:57
Speaker
It's something. They go quite hard. The other thing I loved is that there are two tags in the match and they are both hot tags. Yeah, so they're all just brawling any other hardcore match, but twice, even though all four guys are in the ring or fighting the whole time, and both times it's the Japanese guys. And I think Kasai gets one and Despy gets the other. Yeah, they both, it's literally, they're clearly the baby faces as they get both the hot tags.
01:01:24
Speaker
But the fact that they both like literally they're just both in the ring and then one, I think we're kasai gets hot tag. He's just like in the ring, like drops an elbow on the fork board and then just kind of rolls out and immediately goes to the corner and reaches to heck. And it's, it's great. He gets that tag.
01:01:40
Speaker
Chris, did you watch today? The one for least please call it final death. Let's call it final. Final death. I have not watched final death yet. I literally actually have up right now. It's like skimming the prior matches. I'm going to as soon as we finish, I'm going to watch. So I want to watch Willow Knight and Gilligan's Julia, which seemed fun. I want to watch Eddie against Kensha and then then I want to watch final death.
01:02:06
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, it's today's card is top to bottom better than yesterday's card. But if if anything is able to top that that tag match from yesterday, which was a tag match, although no DQ. That it's going to be a hell of a show. You'll get the only thing that could possibly top it would be final death. And we know Mox can do back to back death matches. He's done that before.
01:02:34
Speaker
And Despy I love also this just Despy is just now he's just a deathmatch guy I think that that was how it like I think Despy was just like listen to Japan I'm going I'm a deathmatch guy now and they're like All right, we'll just well We'll let you do death matches on our shows just corkin on the pay-per-views or anything He's like I want you and Kasai to be my partner. They're like god damn it, Despy fucking god damn it
01:03:04
Speaker
I hope we get June Kasai at Wrestle Kingdom.
01:03:07
Speaker
I, I just like the idea of what, what Despy matches, what matches Despy's pitching. It's like, okay guys. All right. Now I want to wrestle master Watto in a death match and master Watto is just crying in the corner. He's like, no, I mean, the, the, the new Japan executives are always a weird and mysterious lot that you can never, a lot of times you can't really understand the decision-making and it's never explained. Um, I suppose the Vince where you're just like, Oh yeah, you just poke penis hole. Got it. Um,
01:03:36
Speaker
But you would think based on the reaction and the pops he was getting and like stuff like that and like the online sentiment that I've seen, you'd think June Kasai's gotta be back pretty soon in New Japan. I don't know that they would sign him because like, I don't think New Japan is going to be like, we're going to do a deathmatch every fucking show. And I don't know that June Kasai knows how to do a hip toss. Um,
01:04:01
Speaker
unless it's onto a fork board. Just if he doesn't have the fork board, he just mentally can't do it. Like, actually, the winner of Best of the Super Juniors, Jungusai. Jungusai and I are both gonna, together, we're gonna learn headlock takeovers. And then he'll teach you and Heater how to not gig. Wink. Wink.
01:04:29
Speaker
Well, also the other thing that I loved about this match is that they had Suzuki on commentary. And I just really want to hear what Suzuki in Japanese was saying about this match. I just want like, can I just get a running translation of what like that's.
01:04:44
Speaker
Like Ian Riccobani and Chris Charlton did a totally fine job. They were, they were good even, but neither of them is Minoro Suzuki describing a June Kasai. So as you know, I have a friend, uh, you know, that, that speaks Japanese. So I don't know when I can get him on the horn to give us the translation, but I am going to ask him immediately what the Japanese word for pussy is so I can listen to it in Japanese commentary and see how many times Suzuki uses that. Cause I bet he, that's what he's calling them.
01:05:13
Speaker
But Jun Kasei versus Suzuki at Wrestle Kingdom? That just writes itself, right? That is two men of a very specific look. Beaten on each. I don't know. Well, I guess he's got to be involved, right?
01:05:32
Speaker
They did announce, by the way, Wrestle Kingdom is is a one night again. Thank God. So it's going to be a big ass show. But yeah, yeah, put Despy in a tag match. Despy, June Kasai and Suzuki against three guys who are. I like it's so insane to me that all this Despy deathmatch stuff started in Nashville.
01:05:56
Speaker
like it's just it was like it was a match I actually thought I was gonna leave early for
01:06:04
Speaker
You know, and like go to summer slam and I saw something special that I want. I want the, you know, like dark side
Dark Side of the Ring Critique
01:06:12
Speaker
of the ring. I feel like this season's been a little weak. I want light side of the ring, which is like good, high, highly produced wrestling documentaries, but about positive stuff. And I want season one. I want an episode of like the journey. Despy wet through.
01:06:27
Speaker
Took him here like did he just agree to do the Nashville match for some money? Like did you think I know maybe I need to do this other thing like I'm not getting over with crowds outside of Japan he obviously had a huge moment in the the after he won best in the Super Junior like the rip mask and like or the mask completely came off and like that kept him over for a while, but like he never really
01:06:49
Speaker
got over that hurdle. And like now he's way the fuck over that hurdle, right? He's a totally different guy. Yeah. He's like, he feels like a much more mainstream wrestler or maybe that's just us. Um, but he definitely is a much larger audience. He's definitely selling more merch, right? I own a Despy shirt. I had watched years and years of Despy. I even liked Despy. I took on this very show about how much I liked Despy or on a previous show, maybe. Um,
01:07:14
Speaker
I never bought a Despy shirt until recently. I wanna see that transformation of what went through his mind that's let us down this thing, that he's now just the Japanese deathmatch guy. Meanwhile, Dark Side of the Ring is like, someone thinks someone murdered Doink. Yeah. Speaking of, I haven't watched that episode, but you said Light Side of the Ring, and I thought that was the Light episode because it was how much a clown loved cocaine.
01:07:45
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, that was really the returning story. It's like, well, he tried to clean up, but man, did he love cocaine and he was so fun until he was pulling someone's eyeball out in a bar. Yeah. It was fairly dark, fairly dark. Well, clowns are fucking scary and most of them are on cocaine.
01:08:09
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, but it just seems like that one was kind of the lighter episode because everything else this season has kind of felt like let's just do something about this period or this guy, find everybody that's still around from then that we can get, and then let's have them just talk shit about one person. We're just going to pick someone that all the old wrestlers in their recollection of something happened in 1983 are all just going to shit on somebody.
01:08:34
Speaker
The one episode I watched was just like one guy's like all of his neighbors being like, he sure did kill himself. I'm like, Jesus Christ. Like my wife watched it with me and she was like upset that at the end that I had her sit there and watch this like whole family commit suicide on Vice television. Oh, the mic, the Graham episode. That was the Graham episode. That was really. That was dark.
01:09:02
Speaker
Yeah, because I was you know, and that's one that I I thought was one of the more interesting episodes because I feel like I knew less of that story. Like I knew that how it ends for both Grant, both if anyone Mike, I didn't. Well, I didn't know about the kid.
01:09:17
Speaker
And my great grandpa and great grandpa and his brother, apparently they all just killed themselves at Gramps. Um, yeah, I didn't know about that. And so I was like, that's interesting. I think it was texting with you and I was like, but I want to be clear, Garrett, this is sad. I recommend this episode, but I just, I just want to be clear. You've got to be in the right mood for this because it's really, really sad, like aggressively sad. Like I just, I don't want you to just casually turn this on.
01:09:47
Speaker
And I casually turned it on anyway. And I should have casually turned on the clown doing cocaine episodes. Much better, much lighter episodes. Yeah. I mean, they can't cancel the show yet. They have to at least do one live episode where they just get Dilfboy in studio and they just go live to him and they just go. Just kind of motion to him like, come on, do it.
01:10:11
Speaker
Do your thing and he's like, do what? And then just everybody takes turns hitting him. Or they, they just put a, they just put a loaded gun in front of him and they go. I thought it was going to be like, they put a fucking toys for Todd's Ben and they're like, what are you going to do with that? He just started sneaking the toys in his pockets. Him and grim. Oh shit. All right, guys.
01:10:37
Speaker
I think that's it for this week. We're going to end on Dolph Boyz demise. Jesus Christ. We kind of opened on, on, I mean, him having a bad match with Joey Janela and that's, you know, that's not Janela. So that's the biggest stage Dolph Boyz been on. And all he has to show for it is a friendship with Grim Stoyko and a lot of dirt. I think he's got a lot, I think it's got really dirty gear. I hope he was able to get it out.
01:11:04
Speaker
Next time we see him, he's going to be just as filthy. Like he will have not taken a bath between now and then. All right, everybody. Thanks for listening this week. Give us a follow on at predetermine podcast on Instagram at Chris Miggs at Jimmy facts at Gartet. Uh, anything else? What do we got going on next week? Pope's Exorcist. I'm talking about it, whether you guys have seen it or not. All right. I might go to sit back down. I don't know. We'll see.
01:11:35
Speaker
The bloodline might be there. Oh yeah, very exciting. Hit our goddamn music.