Transcript
Denis Tyrell: Hey folks, welcome to another Triple T for Knife Makers Podcast. Jared is out gallivanting on a work trip, so I have my good buddy Rick Hall joining me today from Rick Hall Knives over in Reno. Rick, how you doing?
Rick Hall: I'm great. How are you? Greetings and salutations.
Denis Tyrell: i'm good i'm good uh i I made a breakthrough today on my bill that I was working on, so I'm in a much better mood. If you would have talked to me an hour ago, there would have been cursing and swearing.
Rick Hall: Now how many holes in the shop wall?
Denis Tyrell: Um, No, no holes, but my my You would know it was ah it was a bad day just from how dirty my shop is.
Rick Hall: i've got ah I've got a specific area in my shop that I throw stuff at.
Denis Tyrell: All right.
Rick Hall: When it's not going a hundred percent It looks like a fricking battle zone.
Denis Tyrell: Uh... Yeah, I... I have tossed things across this the shop, but not very often. um Yeah. I... and I don't want to give it away because I think it's one of the coolest things about this build. But.
Denis Tyrell: There's... There's some electronics. I'm doing the sci -fi challenge build and there's some electronics in this build. that were giving me some grief and i bought the little part that i needed fucked it up.
Denis Tyrell: and then bought two more. a Good thing they weren't expensive. Fucked one of those up. So I had one left And if I messed it up, I don't think I would have got the. another part in time.
Rick Hall: Yeah, yeah
Denis Tyrell: to get the build done. So, what but. It did. It did come through, so...
Rick Hall: It worked. I can tell by the way you're talking. You're not all pissed off.
Denis Tyrell: Yes, exactly. I mean, I'm not out of the woods yet. but the the only I think the only thing I have a little bit to do on the handle. uh, like Like. some lacquer and stuff. and then final etch on the blade.
Rick Hall: Final etch.
Denis Tyrell: ah I'm going to show it to you, but I don't want you to tell everybody. what you're seeing because Um, you'll You'll know when i when I do it, what I'm talking about.
Rick Hall: Okay.
Denis Tyrell: that This part. So I'm showing him the sword. Everyone knows I'm doing the sword from Alita.
Rick Hall: Right.
Denis Tyrell: but
Rick Hall: Uh huh. uh -huh
Denis Tyrell: That part.
Rick Hall: Okay.
Denis Tyrell: ah
Rick Hall: Alright.
Denis Tyrell: That part took some doing.
Rick Hall: So that's the electronic problem that you had, huh?
Denis Tyrell: Um,
Denis Tyrell: That's the electronic problem. um
Rick Hall: Gotcha.
Denis Tyrell: So... Yeah, but I got it to work. and
Rick Hall: I gotta say, I... Couldn't have been that hard.
Denis Tyrell: Uh... Mm. There's some finicky shit in there
Rick Hall: You're not an electometrician.
Denis Tyrell: Well, I mean... It's been a long time since I picked up soldering iron. and ah and played with a circuit board. And... ah There was some some of that involved.
Rick Hall: i yeah
Rick Hall: I've had my own experiences with electrical stuff.
Denis Tyrell: So.
Rick Hall: You know, if you're a knife maker. You've got to learn how to do electronics. Plain and simple. That's it.
Denis Tyrell: I mean, electrical work, yes. When it gets into electronics and like soldering things on the boards.
Rick Hall: Mhm.
Denis Tyrell: It's been a lot of years since I've done that.
Rick Hall: Yeah, I'm talking like 221 you know 110 120 Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Oh, yeah, yeah, like wiring, wiring and doing that stuff.
Rick Hall: Yeah. Yes, and I'm still...
Denis Tyrell: I agree. Every...
Rick Hall: i still have managed to shocked the shit out of myself a couple times. you know If I would have had hair, it would have been straight.
Denis Tyrell: Have you ever have Have you ever shorted a 50 amp? Breaker? Like a.
Rick Hall: I did a 60.
Denis Tyrell: Oh.
Rick Hall: I did a 60 and I melted a screwdriver.
Denis Tyrell: Wow.
Rick Hall: I've been turning this breaker on and off all day long. And I... I will. and It was like, okay, I'm going to turn it off, and I'm going to go do this, and then I'm going to turn it back on. Check it. And then I went and turned it off and turned it back on.
Rick Hall: well somewhere along the line i turned it on and forgot to turn it back off and i went over there and grabbed the wire threw it in there put the screwdriver to it and The screwdriver ended up a puddle in my feet.
Denis Tyrell: Uh,
Rick Hall: So.
Rick Hall: Go ahead.
Denis Tyrell: Um... that Yeah, that is scary. I had one. um I had a short um on the I have a 50 amp that's that.
Denis Tyrell: I have one 50 amp. outlet. which is what I plug the big oven into. It's also what I plug my... um Bye. Uh, press into not that it needs 50 amp but it's just closest to that outlet but I've had a bunch of like grinding dust or whatever it was short out.
Denis Tyrell: and plug that thing in and it it, just about lit me up.
Rick Hall: That's a good safety concern you just brought up there because I put... um tape all around my boxes because that stupid grinding dust will get in there and it'll cause a fire when you're not there I've heard of a couple of people having any issues with that.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: And. No. Pretty soon you get enough in there that it. Does a short, and that's not good.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, every... every I'll say. maybe six months i'll go around with compressed air and i'll blow out all the outlets uh exactly for that reason um
Rick Hall: Yeah. yep
Denis Tyrell: Just to get all the... the shit out of it in fact my uh mini splits overdue to
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Get all the crap.
Rick Hall: your mini split.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, the air conditioner.
Rick Hall: Yeah. um I was gonna put one of those out there. But I decided I think I need one in the house first. And they're... you know. You guys talked about my air conditioner on the last episode, so I had to bring that up, you know.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, exactly.
Rick Hall: Jared bagging on my AC. Well. Next time he comes down to golf, guess what? He gets to sleep in the living room.
Denis Tyrell: We're just used to super air conditioning here in the ah Bay Area. You don't need as much air conditioning. Well, actually, it gets pretty hot there.
Rick Hall: It does get pretty hot, luckily. when we did our class, it was super nice.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Couldn't ask for better weather. We got lucky.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, we had the shop open the entire time.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: which Which is... unheard of in like middle of August.
Rick Hall: Exactly.
Denis Tyrell: All right.
Rick Hall: And we were worried that, you know, we were going to have to smell Dennis all day, but it was good. It happened. It was fine.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, that was that was a good time, though.
Rick Hall: It was. Mike gave a really good class. He's a great instructor. I kind of felt sorry for him because... We all kind of just took off and started doing stuff. He says, okay, go do this. Well.
Rick Hall: I was running around trying to help. a couple of the newer guys gotten. Jim. um get their stuff done. And you were as well, actually. um but what ended up happening is we all had different stages of the build so i felt sorry for mike because he he'd get one knife it was to one point and then he'd get the next guy over and it was to another point And it was just like.
Rick Hall: But, you know, he took it in stride. He knew all the things that needed to be done to those knives.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: and He's very good at identifying everything.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, and part of that is my, I am, you know, I'm not a patient person. and i cannot sit on my hands.
Rick Hall: No
Denis Tyrell: you know When I get one piece done, I want to go to the next step.
Rick Hall: Yeah. oh
Denis Tyrell: And as.
Rick Hall: Yeah, i got I knew that when you knocked me out of the way to get into the mill. Yeah, I felt that.
Denis Tyrell: All right. And. Yeah, four -person classes, I realize I'm... that's not a good scene for me i i need i prefer the one -on -one because i need to go to My pace.
Rick Hall: Right. Right. Well. You know, when Mike starts talking, everybody kind of huddles around. there's And, you know, my shop's a pretty good sized shop, but it's not. It's not conducive to four people.
Rick Hall: It really isn't. A two person class would have been just fine.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: and two people that were about the same level.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Cause we had a couple of guys that were just learning this stuff. I mean, they had done a couple of knives before, but they weren't. They're they're not really proficient at it. they're they're a little slower and they really want to.
Rick Hall: learn all the ins and outs where you and I, we kind of. we kind of know what we're doing a little bit. You know, so it was ah it was hard.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: I mean, and we got it done. everyone Everyone, I think, got the concepts. Um, I think almost everybody, everyone had their action pretty much working at one point. I think you had to.
Rick Hall: End of the day.
Denis Tyrell: redo one thing and
Rick Hall: Well, it's because of that bit that went up in the mail. I thought I was down on my DRO. And Mike goes, well, did you check it? I'm like. No, was I supposed to check it? Did you check yours?
Denis Tyrell: What do you mean check what?
Rick Hall: Did you? He wanted me to check the depth on the pocket.
Denis Tyrell: Oh. I didn't check mine, but it was...
Rick Hall: with like a calipers. I'd say.
Denis Tyrell: But mine I was not having problems like
Rick Hall: Nobody.
Denis Tyrell: Like you were.
Rick Hall: Well, I didn't have enough room for the spring. I put it together and it's like...
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, but...
Rick Hall: u Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: yeah but i was the first one so i think that thing got pretty well used
Rick Hall: Yeah, you messed up the bit, I know.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. I, took um, I did fine, by the way. So this is a... to i'm explaining for the audience. we were we were using these special it's like a tiny little hole saw And it's like a three eights hole saw.
Denis Tyrell: and It's to do the pocket for a coil spring. The problem is these coil spring... um
Rick Hall: Bit.
Denis Tyrell: hole saws.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: are high speed steel and we're trying to go through titanium a titanium frame and that was really wearing it down
Rick Hall: Right.
Denis Tyrell: And we only had two of them. ah We did get through everybody on one of them. I was very impressed.
Rick Hall: Well, I was last. That's why it had no teeth.
Denis Tyrell: Right. And, but.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: I did find that set online. Fur.
Rick Hall: I got it.
Denis Tyrell: I'm
Rick Hall: They're here.
Denis Tyrell: Oh, did you put the ones I got?
Rick Hall: Oh yeah. Oh, yeah.
Denis Tyrell: So. I actually...
Rick Hall: I've got everything.
Denis Tyrell: I ordered a... um Uh, 316th. Counterbore Pilot from MSC.
Rick Hall: Sure.
Denis Tyrell: That's a 1 8th. um Uh... center.
Rick Hall: ahh
Denis Tyrell: And then I'm just going to redrill through that main thing and just widen it to one eighth. And then it should be perfect.
Rick Hall: Right. I mean because it doesn't need to be skinny like that.
Denis Tyrell: You know.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: In fact, it'll be more sturdy because it's 1 -8 instead of 3 -3.
Rick Hall: As a matter of fact, you don't even have to use that little hole saw. It just kind of gives support for the spring, the little inside shelf that it leaves.
Denis Tyrell: Mm hmm.
Rick Hall: you could actually just use a regular counter board and just flat flat bottom it.
Denis Tyrell: I. I have done that before on my little Keychain Auto? That's what I did. it's a It's a three maybe seven sixteenths um, counter bore.
Denis Tyrell: And yeah, it was the 716s counterbore. The problem is that spring. it does kind of have a little play to it.
Rick Hall: right
Denis Tyrell: it's a lot harder to put the knife together because the spring has a little left to right play.
Rick Hall: who
Denis Tyrell: So the the pocket the circular. Donut. pocket, whatever you want to call it, works.
Rick Hall: Oh, it's handy! Yeah, it's handy.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, it works really well.
Rick Hall: It just kind of supports the spring from going left and right. um
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: around a 3 16 pivot because the center of the hole is a little bit smaller than 3 8
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: the the spring hole, maybe 5 -16ths or something like that. but it holds it in place
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. I... um So I have the... The knife that the next now that I'm pretty much done the sci -fi challenge build i'm starting to plan my next builds and what i'm bringing to austria which is now mostly folders um And the next one.
Denis Tyrell: is the one i showed the one of the one i brought with the cocobola handle the
Rick Hall: Oh yeah, that's a nice knife. That one came out good.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, well... the sister to that one which is going to be even nicer
Rick Hall: Mm hmm.
Denis Tyrell: i'm doing that one and then the next one i'm deciding do i want to do a bolster release auto Or do I want to do a button release auto? Because I have designs for... I've already designed... that oceanic model with a bolster release.
Denis Tyrell: And my the other model I have, the Silky... them I've designed that with a button.
Rick Hall: Mm hmm.
Denis Tyrell: an auto button release.
Rick Hall: I don't know You got time to do a button release? Those are finicky.
Denis Tyrell: Oh, it'll be the button release is quicker than the bolster.
Rick Hall: Okay. Well, what about that? Well, I'm sure it's quicker than the bolster release. What about the scale release?
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: We've been talking about doing that.
Denis Tyrell: I don't think Mike's ready. to teach it yet.
Rick Hall: Okay.
Denis Tyrell: Um, And even if he was, it's not something I'm going to do before Austria because Austria is two months away. I can't take a class and make one.
Rick Hall: Wow.
Denis Tyrell: I need to make some knives before Austria or have nothing on the table.
Rick Hall: right
Rick Hall: You're not bringing any fixed blades?
Denis Tyrell: I am. I'm bringing... um that that wing damascus one that one hasn't sold yet so i'm bringing that one i'm bringing in the stainless damascus buoy
Rick Hall: Uh huh.
Denis Tyrell: And the dagger, the dag...
Rick Hall: I haven't got to see that. I haven't got to see that stainless one yet.
Denis Tyrell: What's that? Yeah, that's... but I showed you the picture of the handle. That's the one that's got the...
Rick Hall: I saw a picture, but I want to get my grubbies on it.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. that. Well, Maybe I'll bring it... in two weeks when I come up.
Rick Hall: Yeah. Now bring that thing.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. Um,
Rick Hall: They're allowed in Nevada if If we're not all burned up by then.
Denis Tyrell: ah That is by far my favorite handle I've ever done.
Rick Hall: Right.
Denis Tyrell: I think it just melts in your hand.
Rick Hall: okay Yeah, you were telling me about it. I want to feel it
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Yeah, you heard about the fires out here, right?
Denis Tyrell: But... um Uh, I, I, someone else told me and, uh, Kim might've said something. and asked me a you know how how you were doing with them and i didn't even know so well are they close to you
Rick Hall: oh
Rick Hall: No, they're on the other end of town. But. like if you're i'm not north end of Reno. And it's it's pretty bad. It's got like 32 homes already.
Denis Tyrell: Wow.
Rick Hall: Yeah, it was on national news and whatnot. And I get 87 people calling me. Are you okay? What do you mean?
Denis Tyrell: Yes.
Rick Hall: guys Yeah, I had dinner. What what are you talking about? oh you mean the fire yeah it's nowhere near me
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, i well, I get even worse. i get If there's a fire in California... my Canadian family will call me and say, oh, I heard there was fires. I'm like. That is fucking 500 miles away from me.
Rick Hall: How close are you to Mount Shasta?
Denis Tyrell: ah yeah No, no, it's like there's a fire in San Diego and they're calling me.
Rick Hall: ah Right.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, it's like eight hours away
Rick Hall: It better be a big fire. That's a big fire if it's getting you.
Denis Tyrell: But you know, they're worried. What can I say?
Rick Hall: Yeah, well, we've had quite a few of them around here. I had one behind my house before this one started, and they got it out quick. but Wow. When the wind's going. that That cheatgrass below that sagebrush is just like...
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: It's just terrible.
Denis Tyrell: Tinder.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: The faster the wind's going, the faster the fire goes.
Denis Tyrell: yeah
Rick Hall: For sure, it's pretty bad I feel sorry for the people that have all the animals and stuff. and They've got the light. the livestock event center opened up so you can bring your animals down there and whatnot but that's got to be it. Shit show.
Rick Hall: down there
Denis Tyrell: ah Yeah.
Rick Hall: You know what I mean?
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Well, anyways, enough about the fires. So are we going to talk golf or?
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. That's one thing we're not going to talk about.
Rick Hall: We had a little conversation about that, throwing Jared under the bus about his golf talk.
Denis Tyrell: Yes.
Rick Hall: Aren't you a knife maker? Come on, Jared.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: I know you're going to be listening to this.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: No more golf talk.
Denis Tyrell: No more golf talk. um
Rick Hall: This is Knife Talk Podcast, not the PGA.
Denis Tyrell: the That's right. ah But big reminder, this weekend is the Sci -Fi Challenge release. So Saturday morning, all of the Sci -Fi Challenge builds.
Denis Tyrell: um will come out i'm a i'm I'm pretty excited about mine. I think it's going to do pretty well. I'm pretty happy with it. It's got some...
Rick Hall: Looks good.
Denis Tyrell: snazzy things I haven't done in a blade before.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: um, And it... it's It's actually a cool sword to swing around.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: It's a little just... the problem with fantasy a lot of fantasy swords and sci -fi swords is that They make them for movies, right? And they have no...
Denis Tyrell: you know, it's some artist drawing a sword. And. You know when you actually make the sword to those specifications like the weight the balance everything is off
Rick Hall: Right. Right.
Denis Tyrell: Um, So.
Rick Hall: no prototyping you know you're just making
Denis Tyrell: right Well, it's just... Like the sword, have you ever seen the sword from He -Man? like the the cartoon.
Rick Hall: e Mm hmm.
Denis Tyrell: It's like... I swear it's like... a half inch thick yeah
Rick Hall: Watched it yesterday.
Denis Tyrell: it's such a terrible movie it's so bad
Rick Hall: ah
Rick Hall: It was the the humor, the dry humor in it. I was getting some of that, but...
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. Feel it. But the sword if you were to make that sword in real life, it would be so heavy.
Rick Hall: Keep going.
Denis Tyrell: It would be so forward heavy. There's no... it would be awful
Rick Hall: Yeah, it would.
Denis Tyrell: Um, And.
Rick Hall: but Does it still work if if the batteries go out?
Denis Tyrell: Does what?
Rick Hall: Does the sword still work?
Denis Tyrell: The He -Man sword?
Rick Hall: No, no your sword does it still work if the batteries are dead?
Denis Tyrell: of course it's still sharp
Rick Hall: Okay. Okay. There we go.
Denis Tyrell: yeah
Rick Hall: That's what I wanted to know.
Denis Tyrell: um But it is it's a little forward heavy. um Just...
Rick Hall: Okay.
Denis Tyrell: the way the design is. um there's a lot of you know where the way the bevels on that sword are there's a lot of meat in that sword so it's a it's a tiny bit um
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: forward heavy. But what can you do?
Rick Hall: Which is great for the swing and not so much for recovery.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, no, it's... You better hit him and sever a limb.
Rick Hall: Right. Yeah, well, if you get them good, you know, then they'll be.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Limping at you.
Denis Tyrell: it It is a cool -looking sword. If you guys are not familiar, you'll see it this weekend. but uh and it's a cool movie if you've never seen the movie elita battle angel you should watch it it's
Rick Hall: I like the blade design. It's pretty cool.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, it's it's a lift directly from the movie link Yeah, it's...
Rick Hall: Sure.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: And you know if you ever go fishing you can use it as a boat anchor.
Denis Tyrell: the the
Denis Tyrell: It's not that heavy. Come on. I should weigh it. It's probably... I'm guessing. Let me hold it up. Yeah, it's probably... Yeah, it's probably three pounds.
Denis Tyrell: Which is... Which isn't crazy.
Rick Hall: Heesh. Three pounds.
Denis Tyrell: Because like I But a full -size katana is like... with the um Um, Maybe not. I don't know. maybe two and three quarters something like that but a full -size katana is like Two and three quarters, two and a half.
Denis Tyrell: um And this is more steel.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: There's more steel in this thing than a katana.
Rick Hall: Yeah. And don't forget the batteries.
Denis Tyrell: So.
Denis Tyrell: they're They're only triple A's.
Rick Hall: ah Okay.
Denis Tyrell: They're not D's.
Rick Hall: All right, well. I'll cut you some slack on the sword then.
Denis Tyrell: yeah
Rick Hall: So how about the Master Smith stuff? When are we going to get jumping back on that?
Denis Tyrell: uh after um Austria.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: I got to get this Austria stuff out of the way. I'm still going to try and... um fix the The story I talked about last week. I am going to try to. fix that sword and straighten out that tiny little warp at the end.
Denis Tyrell: Um,
Rick Hall: Yeah, poor guy he brings it all the way down here and he goes that wasn't there
Denis Tyrell: so
Rick Hall: I looked at it. I'm like well it's there now.
Denis Tyrell: ah Yeah.
Rick Hall: He saw it before he left.
Denis Tyrell: i
Rick Hall: You saw it before you left and you thought it was just a lighting thing and then you brought it down here and I confirmed it.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: That's okay though. That's a beautiful knife. Here, let me hear.
Denis Tyrell: Better now than handing it to judges.
Rick Hall: Yeah, well if you can get it straightened out, you know I'd say go. with it.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: I mean, I mean everything else on it. Not.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, I think so too.
Rick Hall: You know what I mean?
Denis Tyrell: but
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: it's it The one thing I didn't do is look down the blade after I had... grounded and I'm pretty sure it warped after I ground the the front.
Rick Hall: What make what gets me going is you'll spend all this time on that thing and you handle the shit out of it and then somebody else picks up on something that you absolutely should have saw.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: And it's like, why didn't I just look at that?
Denis Tyrell: Well...
Denis Tyrell: Yes.
Rick Hall: Why don't I look at it?
Denis Tyrell: I mean, I was there with the, I was doing the mirror trick for the. for the The guard, I was making sure, like. everything else. but just did not look tip to Tip to end.
Denis Tyrell: And that was the only way you see that even if you look from like But to tip, you you didn't see the...
Rick Hall: right
Denis Tyrell: ah Only if you look from the front and that's the one thing I just didn't do.
Rick Hall: And the only reason why... I saw it is because I was looking at the depth of your plunge cuts. for the for the clip.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: I was looking for evenness of those. And I'm like, What's going on here? And it is very small.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Very small. It's easy to miss.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. We'll see. Hopefully I can... I can get it back in line. and
Rick Hall: You know you'd like to get one under your belt, right? you know
Denis Tyrell: Exactly. i'd like to get I'd like to have one done.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: um So then I know I only need to make four.
Rick Hall: Right.
Denis Tyrell: Because one of those has got to be a dagger so I may actually One of the first ones I do. Just to get some... i don't know call it confidence is just to do like a hunter
Rick Hall: Mm hmm.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: A small hunter just to say, okay. Got this one done one of five twenty percent done kind of thing um And then because I'd like to have at least three by March.
Rick Hall: Yeah, well, I mean shit I would I would do the easy ones first Period. and make sure that they're. Perfect. you know and then move on because then you're kind of in that mode you're doing the straight stuff and get those in the bag
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, but i I got to do the dagger before.
Rick Hall: Hey y 'all.
Denis Tyrell: The dagger's got to be done before March.
Rick Hall: Right. Right.
Denis Tyrell: because I have to get feedback on the dagger at Blade Texas.
Rick Hall: Right.
Denis Tyrell: And if that fails... I'm probably not testing in June because I don't think I'd have time. to do a dagger and two knives. Um,
Rick Hall: No.
Denis Tyrell: Bye.
Rick Hall: No.
Denis Tyrell: By June. Probably not.
Rick Hall: Now, unless you're Will Stelter.
Denis Tyrell: how'd that How'd that work out?
Rick Hall: but We love you, Will. We're just... pulling your leg there. um I... I've started on a couple of them. That.
Rick Hall: I think or, you know, I'm not even close to being. guard fit up yet but I just want the blades to be perfect before I even continue. Why? you know if there's anything that i see That's not going to make it or.
Rick Hall: you know that i'm thinking is going to take a while to fix i'm just going to put it down and make another one
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: You know? They make more steel.
Denis Tyrell: Yep. I mean... I told myself and I told you that all my knives were going to be takedowns. The only reason I didn't do this one is a takedown is because of the frame handle.
Rick Hall: And look what happened, a bitch in the ass.
Denis Tyrell: It bit me in the ass.
Rick Hall: Not yet though. If you can get it straight, then then we're good.
Denis Tyrell: Well, no, I'll eat Um... I don't think I'm going to be able to get it straight without. Fucking up the finish. I think I'm gonna be pulling that thing apart.
Rick Hall: well It's so minute. It's so minute that I think that you should try.
Denis Tyrell: Oh, I'm... believe me i'm gonna try but i think there's gonna be some swearing and then i'm gonna be
Rick Hall: Yeah
Denis Tyrell: um busting out those two pins and
Rick Hall: Yeah, well...
Denis Tyrell: and fixing it.
Rick Hall: Luckily, it's just those two, not all. heat of them around the frame.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. yeah Exactly.
Rick Hall: But yeah, it was a beautiful job. I don't know. There was that one little spot on the handle that I think some... He can fix that too.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: um But, uh... other than that it was i mean i haven't gotten one that close yet so what's that say I saw.
Denis Tyrell: oh man
Rick Hall: I think that. Jared's going to enjoy this podcast because. he He doesn't have to listen to himself.
Denis Tyrell: ah Ugh. Yeah.
Rick Hall: You got any other classes or anything you're doing like hammer -ins or any of that planned?
Denis Tyrell: I have a folder class I'm teaching in... Two weeks? um No, not two weeks. Three weeks. The week after I'm in Reno. um for that i I remember where we were going.
Denis Tyrell: There's a hot air balloon festival. That's why your friends wanted to go.
Rick Hall: the great Reno balloon races.
Denis Tyrell: Yes. that.
Rick Hall: Yeah. Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: um But the weekend after, I have a folder class. um, So I'll be teaching just the liner lock class.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Rick Hall: want One -on -one or you got two guys
Denis Tyrell: One -on -one.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: oneon one -on -one
Rick Hall: I like the one on ones.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. And I don't even mind. I don't mind. Two -on -one, I've got Ryan from... Hustle and grind Ryan and, um, Walker from Walker and Ives.
Denis Tyrell: I think they're coming in January.
Rick Hall: Well, those guys both know how to make knives too. So it's not going to be.
Denis Tyrell: Oh yeah, yeah.
Rick Hall: A newbie class, a newbie class.
Denis Tyrell: No, it's...
Rick Hall: I mean, not that people are newbies, but yeah.
Denis Tyrell: It's folder class. so Yeah.
Rick Hall: I mean, if you got ah somebody that's made some blades and stuff, it makes a little better. Um, for a class because you We were talking about this before that I've had a couple of guys come in and they didn't even know how to use a tool.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: And that's hard because you've got to teach them how to use a tool and then. teach him how to make the knife with it. then it gets a little rough.
Denis Tyrell: right
Rick Hall: So.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, I mean... i've warned people like i've told people i'm not teaching a folder class And less. You're competent. ad. Like I can hand you a blade and say go grind the bubbles and I'm not gonna give you any instruction
Rick Hall: Right.
Denis Tyrell: like you got to be able to do that because it's only a two -day course and
Rick Hall: Well, that's the hardest thing to teach knife making anyways is grinding bevels.
Denis Tyrell: Right.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Right. So or or you just hate you're gonna go home with a knife that You know the action works, but you got to do the rest of the finish work kind of like what we did
Rick Hall: Right.
Denis Tyrell: for the class last week.
Rick Hall: Well, I mean all the machining and stuff you do on a blade, you don't want have to worry about the bevels being ground after you do all that work.
Denis Tyrell: Right. That's just a... I just a go do it kind of thing. It has to be.
Rick Hall: Mhm.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: yeah Me and the small tools do not get along. I think I broke. I broke three of my own bits. You broke a couple. Jam broke. Jim broke three.
Denis Tyrell: Three.
Rick Hall: Mine was stupid. Yeah, he broke three bets.
Denis Tyrell: oh Oh, bit, like like drill bits.
Rick Hall: Yeah, drill bits and one was a... Counterbore? No, it wasn't a counterbore. Countersink or something like that he broke. um But...
Denis Tyrell: oh
Rick Hall: I mean, that's inherent with doing those little things, you know. You've got a 16th -inch mill that you're milling a pocket. um you know, three eighths long and it's got to go down.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: What? 20 thou each pass or five thou each pass. Yeah. The first thing I did, I didn't have the machine running. I just snapped it right off because I ran into it.
Rick Hall: ah
Denis Tyrell: And that's basically when i I broke one of your end mills.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: um If it would have been on my mill, I wouldn't have made that mistake, but I was using the quill and it just went. further than I'm used to. And I ran the quill right into the work piece.
Rick Hall: Right.
Rick Hall: Yeah, I'm gonna work on that quill a little bit.
Denis Tyrell: Um,
Rick Hall: It's a little stiff for me.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: And for you too. Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: You're talking about the quill on the big mill.
Rick Hall: The big one, yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, I did it on the other one though
Rick Hall: Well, you have no excuse
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: I understand the other mill a little better. The knee mill.
Rick Hall: Right. It's more like yours, yeah.
Denis Tyrell: the Yeah, it's more like mine.
Rick Hall: Right.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: You liking that Precision Matthews?
Denis Tyrell: I love that meal.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: I finally put the power Z. uh, um, feed on it.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: just the other day.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: that That was a game changer.
Rick Hall: Yeah, well, I love the power feed it makes your It makes your work so much cleaner.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: No, no, not a next I already have the power X.
Rick Hall: Oh, you do have the X, okay. You have a power quill.
Denis Tyrell: i It's the power of Z.
Rick Hall: Oh.
Denis Tyrell: no No, the Z. Power Z.
Rick Hall: Oh, okay. Okay.
Denis Tyrell: I think yours already has that
Rick Hall: Yeah it does.
Denis Tyrell: yeah yeah so mine didn't come with that and i had to add it as a like a
Rick Hall: Okay.
Denis Tyrell: like an ah an afterthought.
Rick Hall: right My big mill has the power. um Quofi, too.
Denis Tyrell: Hmm. That's nice.
Rick Hall: i'm not I'm not brave enough to use it.
Denis Tyrell: Why not?
Rick Hall: There you go. know you got to know exactly how fast you want you're going to come down and You know as well as I do, the stuff with knife making, you're doing titanium and then you're doing...
Denis Tyrell: Oh yeah, I wouldn't use it for like...
Rick Hall: heart and steel. I mean, yeah, it just, it just, and you're going down such a minute amount. It doesn't make sense.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. Yeah.
Rick Hall: If I was drilling a but ah block of aluminum that was three inches thick, then yeah. But.
Denis Tyrell: yeah
Rick Hall: And even then I probably wouldn't do it. because i I like feeling it.
Denis Tyrell: Well, you know, if... ah If you break... tooling and you need replacements. uh maritime knife supply has end mills has drills has all kinds of stuff in addition to knife making stuff well i mean most of it is for knife making as well so uh go talk to lawrence at maritime knife supply he's got a whole folder section he's got equipment he's got tooling he's got abrasives got steel You name it, he's got it. So go check him out.
Rick Hall: And if you're forging.
Denis Tyrell: Maritime.
Rick Hall: Got to use them hammers. From Two Bastards.
Denis Tyrell: That's right. Uh,
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, if you guys need a hammer, go check out Frank at Two Bastards Texas Smithian Supplies. Get yourself one of those nice fat peen hammers. Straight peeing, cross peeing.
Denis Tyrell: Crisscross, peen, you name it, all the peens.
Rick Hall: Yeah, just don't ask me to say Jared's Lane. I'm not going to say
Denis Tyrell: Oh, no, I was just gonna do it. Come on, do it.
Rick Hall: No, I'm not doing it.
Denis Tyrell: Do it, Rick.
Rick Hall: And a grand I have. Jarrett say.
Denis Tyrell: Rick likes that. Rick likes having a fat peen in his hand.
Rick Hall: Oh, my God.
Denis Tyrell: That's what he likes.
Rick Hall: You you went there. Why did you go there? We didn't have to go there folks.
Denis Tyrell: Hmm.
Rick Hall: That's all right. You know, what i'm I'm looking forward to maybe going to Texas with you. You talked me into it because you said how great that shows. become. i want I want to see for myself.
Denis Tyrell: um yeah i could i could not believe it like because that used to be like my thing to get to do with parker So we did it two years in a row.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: yeah um when In one of those years, we saw you there. and um And it was cool. And I liked the show. I loved the venue. I like Fort Worth. It's a cool town. Lots of great restaurants.
Denis Tyrell: Everything's a walking distance.
Rick Hall: Mm hmm.
Denis Tyrell: Um, and then when I got there this year I could not believe the size of it You're going to be surprised.
Rick Hall: That's what you're saying. No, I'm glad because I was, you know, I love Texas and I love.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: going down to knife shows. and the last one that i went to quite quite a few years ago but i didn't like it but it was like i could have went I could have went to a local knife show and I've been bigger than that.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: But but now I guess it's been. upgraded.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, I'd say. It's... It's not that far off of Like if you took all the tables in the main room.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: at Atlanta. It's not far off that size.
Rick Hall: Wow, really? That big?
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Wow, I didn't think it got that big.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, yeah
Rick Hall: Yeah, that's that's a lot of table
Denis Tyrell: Like it. Yeah. It... I mean, the whole show is about the size of all where all the tables are in Atlanta. You know, there's a couple of booths, there's booths and stuff, but I mean.
Rick Hall: Sure.
Denis Tyrell: I could not believe the size of it. I walked in and I was like, holy shit. it was It was big.
Rick Hall: Was a was there
Denis Tyrell: And there was a lot of... but
Rick Hall: Was there a lot of ABS guys there?
Denis Tyrell: Yes. There is a lot of ABS guys that a lot of master smiths that go to Texas.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Rick Hall: For you people that don't know what we're talking about, it's American Bladesmith Society people that do the...
Denis Tyrell: That's why.
Rick Hall: traditional buoys and hunters and whatnot.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. um And that's why i've I always recommend if you're testing for journeyman or you're testing for master. March is the perfect show. Texas is the perfect show because it's in March.
Denis Tyrell: It's three months before the the June show in Atlanta. There's tons of master smiths there. You can get feedback and you got time. to either make a new knife, fix your feedback, fix your mistakes or whatever you need to do before the June show.
Rick Hall: You fix mistakes. You have to do that as a knife maker.
Rick Hall: isn't that Isn't that what makes you a good knife maker? How good you are at fixing your mistakes? Because they're going to happen.
Denis Tyrell: here Yes.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: They're going to happen.
Rick Hall: We were talking about that too. It's like. These guys that have been doing it for a long time, they're not really. Better night bakers? They're just better at fixing all their mistakes.
Denis Tyrell: yeah Or they're they're better at spotting them early and knowing what to do.
Rick Hall: That's it.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: ah Speaking of... Good knife makers. Man, I've i've been... looking at the brazilians man they're killing it They're killing it.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Some of the stuff they're putting out is phenomenal.
Denis Tyrell: They...
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. Amazing.
Rick Hall: you know cast knives and Julian Antunas, those guys are rocking it.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. The... The only... and this is This is not a slight, but The one thing I do find. with the Brazilians.
Denis Tyrell: I'll say them as a group. is that... They're starting to look... Um, There's a couple makers. that I'll look and I'll go, oh. He's definitely from Brazil.
Rick Hall: Mm hmm.
Denis Tyrell: just from the shape of the guard and the shape of the knife and like the carving and like, I don't know if they're just taking. Like.
Rick Hall: They're kind of going on the Fantasyland world.
Denis Tyrell: Cast knives.
Rick Hall: the fantasy knife world.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: And... They are starting to like. you know They have a niche. And they have a look. And I just...
Rick Hall: hope
Denis Tyrell: you know i would like to see them just be great knife makers from Um, Brazil but not all. and ah And all their styles are starting to meld together to me.
Denis Tyrell: um So that was one thing I noticed.
Rick Hall: is so... Is Sofredo? Brazilian?
Denis Tyrell: I think he is.
Rick Hall: Rodrigo?
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, I think he is, but I'm not sure.
Rick Hall: Because he doesn't do a lot of that. funky stuff i mean i haven't seen a lot of stuff come out of his shop lately but the last few things I i saw. Um, it looked like okay i got master i did i did my stuff and now i'm going to start putting out some knives in.
Rick Hall: Not that his quality went way downhill, but I could tell the difference.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Honestly. I'm not trying to bag on anybody. but you know Why not? You know, you you've done all the show stuff. You've won all the awards. Why not make some money on your knives and and put some stuff out there with your name on it?
Denis Tyrell: Absolutely. like i will I will commend the Cass brothers. like I cannot believe that those guys. Like. Reinvent. like basically they pick a technique or ah a bunch of techniques every year. And they just dive deep.
Denis Tyrell: Like.
Rick Hall: For sure.
Denis Tyrell: Like lash and this year was folders. Never seen them do folders before.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: and they're killing it
Rick Hall: Right?
Denis Tyrell: like new frame lock folder that just looks spectacular coming out like every month from those guys now.
Rick Hall: Right. Yeah. it It makes me mad.
Denis Tyrell: Like first it was like.
Rick Hall: but They're doing it so good.
Denis Tyrell: Like the really cool shaped. Buoys like the really artistic boots
Rick Hall: Mm hmm.
Denis Tyrell: And then it was like. Beautiful takedowns, beautiful. And then it was keyholes.
Rick Hall: andha
Denis Tyrell: And doing like. ah Still, I think...
Rick Hall: double keyholes. and and
Denis Tyrell: Vids.
Rick Hall: pommel keyholes and
Denis Tyrell: The... The most spectacular knife I've ever seen from the cast.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: brothers. is that one i still don't know how he did it or they did it The one that has. Spiral. Fluted. wire inlay Handle.
Denis Tyrell: That's... goes into a double keyhole. And it's carbon fiber.
Rick Hall: Oh wow.
Denis Tyrell: like So he must have made it removable from the keys.
Rick Hall: Wow.
Denis Tyrell: so that he could hammer it out of the keyhole. and then add the wire inlay and then hammer it back into the keyhole.
Rick Hall: Alright.
Denis Tyrell: Have you seen that knife?
Rick Hall: I have not
Denis Tyrell: Oh.
Rick Hall: But i can I can just imagine, you know, I know how hard that stuff is already. And. uh you know getting those wires tight i mean how are you going to do that in the keyhole You know?
Denis Tyrell: Yay. It's an unbelievable Like...
Rick Hall: Mhm.
Denis Tyrell: I look at like there's very few knives these days that I can look at.
Rick Hall: so
Denis Tyrell: and just like... Have no clue how they did it Like I don't even know how I would approach something like that
Rick Hall: Yeah, some little trick that they learned or... you know, I love that about. older makers you know they've got a fix for everything that you can show them And.
Rick Hall: They've got the little tricks, and those little tricks is really what makes you good. It really is.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: It's what. set you apart. you know. Anybody can go out there and make a little hunter. the one that has a you know keyhole or or you know a really nice swoopy grind on it that's not easy to accomplish.
Rick Hall: you know. that stuff you know I love it I love getting the the tricks and the trade from other people. That's why I like going around and talking to the knife makers. Like the knife shows, you get all these little...
Rick Hall: tidbits of information. I was like, that was worth a trip right there, just that one thing.
Denis Tyrell: Yes. For sure. But... um If you guys are looking to up your game in the steel market and you want to get some fancy steel.
Denis Tyrell: Go check out Baker Forge and Tool. Um, They've got some premium steel i don't know what the drop is this week because uh I'm... Not prepared like Jared. is um but go check them out on the use the app get early access to what their drop is um and they also have the core line so always check that uh what's what's in stock for the core line
Denis Tyrell: While you're there, pick up some gator piss of all the varieties, some... ah uh grime reaper and some gator skin Check it all out. Put it in your cart. Use the discount code TTT10. get it in there, get some money off and make some cool things.
Rick Hall: Yeah, Baker's killing it, man. Clay, he's awesome.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: I haven't met him personally.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: but you know i've watched him enough on tv that i think he knows me
Denis Tyrell: Really?
Rick Hall: You ever get that?
Denis Tyrell: Well...
Rick Hall: You watch somebody enough, you feel like you know them. You go up and say, hey, what's going on? he's like You expect them to know you.
Denis Tyrell: oh
Rick Hall: I watch you all the time.
Denis Tyrell: Well, ah pretty much we hung with coy and the boys the entire time we were in texas like we went out
Rick Hall: you know
Denis Tyrell: drinking, we played pool. Um,
Rick Hall: Tight glove.
Denis Tyrell: ah Yeah, I think that's who we hung with the most. of ah most of the weekend. um And those guys go, that's the one show they go to that. ah Well, like...
Denis Tyrell: They go to the Texas show and they go to Atlanta, but they have a table in Atlanta. and Texas show is... for them is just enjoyment.
Rick Hall: Yeah. I like Atlanta. I mean, I like the show. But that's an expensive ticket just to go hang with your buddies. The next time I go, I'm going to have a table.
Denis Tyrell: right
Rick Hall: So I got to pay for my trip.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, I mean...
Rick Hall: I got to do it.
Denis Tyrell: ah Tables are expensive now. Holy crap.
Rick Hall: I know. So you're nice.
Denis Tyrell: They've gone up like 50 bucks a year. Every year for the past... five years.
Rick Hall: Mm -hmm. Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: They're up in the $700 range now.
Rick Hall: Now, what was it when we tested? when we did our journeyman. It was like 550, right?
Denis Tyrell: I want to say $475 or something.
Rick Hall: 475, yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Something like that.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: 500 maybe? ah when we Yeah, that was four years four years ago.
Rick Hall: Yeah. Almost five.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: So.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Seems like it's been... not It doesn't seem like it's been that long.
Denis Tyrell: i know Well yes and no. But...
Rick Hall: Well, we talked every year. Are you going to do your master's yet? you gonna do your mattress yet no no i'm gonna wait until i feel like i got a good one and then i'll probably start on the rest of them. That's kind of where I've been, and I've been playing since I...
Denis Tyrell: well known for my
Rick Hall: So I got my met my journeyman. Now, it's just like... Can it take me that long to get a perfect knife? Come on!
Denis Tyrell: ah No one from our class has, except for Will, has attempted, but...
Rick Hall: Right.
Denis Tyrell: No one from our class, which was the biggest class. has um
Rick Hall: has gotten mastered yet.
Denis Tyrell: Has gotten master yet.
Rick Hall: I am not in a hurry.
Denis Tyrell: No.
Rick Hall: Other than.
Denis Tyrell: I think there's a bunch of guys that are going to test me.
Rick Hall: I'm getting old.
Denis Tyrell: There's a bunch of guys that are going to test next year, though.
Rick Hall: Right, right. um i I don't think next year is my year.
Denis Tyrell: ah
Rick Hall: um i Well, it might be. It depends on how... how much of a fire get lit under my ass but um With the heat like this, I don't like going out in the shop. That's why I want to get a mini split. so i want to go out there more
Denis Tyrell: tell me how much How many square feet you shot?
Rick Hall: Thousand.
Denis Tyrell: A thousand.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, you'd have to get like the the one step up from mine.
Rick Hall: Yeah
Denis Tyrell: um But you'd be surprised. But is it in is your shop insulated?
Rick Hall: It is.
Denis Tyrell: like that So those doors are insulated?
Rick Hall: Those doors are not insulated, but the rest of it is. um i would just put styrofoam on the doors if i did that
Denis Tyrell: Yay.
Denis Tyrell: I was going to say you need to put something on the doors.
Rick Hall: Yeah. Well, I had Styrofoam on them, then I decided to forge in there. Open the door.
Denis Tyrell: What did you do, melt it?
Rick Hall: I melted. I'm standing there forging something. Here comes this drippy thing coming down on my head. And I'm like, what the hell? I look up and there's this. Big thing of styrofoam melting onto my head.
Rick Hall: I'm like, oh I guess it's kind of hot.
Denis Tyrell: ah That's funny.
Rick Hall: Duh. I figured the ceilings were tall enough to where it wouldn't matter, but boy, it gets hot up there.
Denis Tyrell: ah Yeah. you remember Well, you remember the the story of the the glass breaking in the...
Rick Hall: Your garage window?
Denis Tyrell: ah in my shop.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, and the window broke.
Rick Hall: Yeah, well That's that's hot.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: But I just i I don't want to asphyxiate myself because those things put out the. CO2 bad.
Denis Tyrell: But yeah you yeah, you need the door open for sure.
Rick Hall: Yeah. Right, right. And.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: I like to just roll my forge right out because I've got that carport.
Denis Tyrell: Right, yeah.
Rick Hall: I can roll it right out there in front and, you know, just try and. evacuate most of that heat. But it was snowing one day and I pulled it in a little bit and that's when I melted my insulation.
Denis Tyrell: yeah
Rick Hall: That's okay They make more.
Denis Tyrell: yeah Well, Talking about heat and he even heat kilns, if you guys need a kiln to... Get that. Get that heat up to... Heat treating temperatures, get yourself an even heat kiln. Family owned and operated since 1948. That's even older than Rick.
Rick Hall: Jeez, you had to go there.
Denis Tyrell: And... ah Even heat kilns, like ah Jared likes to say, the fluffer of the knife community.
Rick Hall: No fun.
Denis Tyrell: Hooray. I'll let you think about that.
Rick Hall: I've got two of them.
Denis Tyrell: one
Rick Hall: I've got two of them. It's great.
Denis Tyrell: I know, all the cool people have too.
Rick Hall: Mm hmm. You know And we still ended up tempering in my kitchen oven.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, I know.
Rick Hall: because we had so much stuff to temper on the, on the back bar and stuff on those. Bolts or lock autos, we have to temper the... the back bar at a different temperature than the blade. even though they're made of the same stuff, just to get not quite as hard and then we temper them the same. so oh Which made sense.
Rick Hall: I was just.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: curious about the temperatures i'm thinking well don't you critical is critical why would you why would you want to change that And Mike had a big explanation for it that I don't remember, but I know it's okay.
Denis Tyrell: Uh, yeah, no, I remember the, that was, that's a great one. Um, we were all confused. not confused. We were questioning. Why are we doing this? Why are we heat treating AEBL at 1725?
Denis Tyrell: instead of 19. 1950, 1925, whatever. And then. Um,
Rick Hall: tempering back.
Denis Tyrell: tempering them back. And the explanation actually made. A lot of sense. in that um And yeah I think you really need to you need to look at the curve.
Rick Hall: No warping Mostly no warping, yeah. yeah
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, you need to look at the curve. um Less warpage. uh still gets hard And this is you know this kind of thing I don't think would work in... Like. simple carbon steels, but for a stainless like this, it's still getting hard. Enough.
Denis Tyrell: At that 1725. but Um, not the 63 or whatever. and then 65 and then having to temper it down.
Denis Tyrell: um
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: And ah Mike's explanation is getting into that 500 to 600 degree temper. um can really make that blade brittle.
Rick Hall: They call it the death zone.
Denis Tyrell: So to invoke...
Rick Hall: you don't want it and so anything below that or anything above that you're good
Denis Tyrell: Right.
Denis Tyrell: right So.
Rick Hall: So if you if you do temper between 500 and 600... which I would go above anyway. I'd say 625. minimum if you're going to go for a spring hardness.
Rick Hall: you know, on AEBL, but...
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: um You know, the... The heat treating is definitely a game that... I am delved into pretty deeply. and Just enough to get myself thoroughly confused.
Rick Hall: Actually, I got a pretty good understanding of it. And we go back and forth on temperatures and stuff. And. it's It's good that it was really nice that Thursday that we got to sit.
Rick Hall: Um... not doing anything, sit on the porch and just. talk about that kind of stuff.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: You know, especially having Mike there because he's just a wealth of knowledge. um all the stories that he told. and Like the fairy flip thing.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, i i said I talked about that last week.
Rick Hall: That's it.
Denis Tyrell: I couldn't i had never never knew that that was somebody's name.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: I thought that was a fairy flip because...
Rick Hall: Tom Ferry, yep.
Denis Tyrell: I didn't know it was anybody's name. So.
Rick Hall: Well, he had gotten it from Tim Hancock, and Tim Hancock got it from somebody else, and then Mike showed it to Tom. So. you know but who's Who's to say what?
Rick Hall: You know. where stuff derived from. i They're not going to call it a rick flip. ever.
Denis Tyrell: It doesn't have the same ring to it.
Rick Hall: So. Right it does. Yeah. Really?
Denis Tyrell: All right.
Rick Hall: the rick flip neck Okay. Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: The dentist foot? No.
Denis Tyrell: now Definitely not. Um,
Rick Hall: The Tyrell twist.
Denis Tyrell: So you...
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Hey, that would work. It's got Ts, two Ts.
Rick Hall: Yeah. no
Denis Tyrell: ah you got to You got to get out and do some hunting on Friday. How did that go?
Rick Hall: I did. um Well? It was hot. For sure. We went like 160 miles. looking for antelope. And...
Denis Tyrell: Like from where you started, like you park you parked and said, okay, now we're hunting.
Rick Hall: we from where we started.
Denis Tyrell: Wow.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Like not from home you mean like
Rick Hall: Yeah. Where are we? No, I mean from when we got on the dirt. 160 miles in the dirt.
Denis Tyrell: well Jesus.
Rick Hall: So. Yeah, by the time we got done with that day my my ass was numb for one
Denis Tyrell: were you Were you in like a side -by -side?
Rick Hall: I was ready.
Denis Tyrell: Where were you in?
Rick Hall: Now, here in my buddy's truck, which is a three -quarter ton, beat the hell out of it.
Denis Tyrell: ah Okay.
Rick Hall: of us. so
Denis Tyrell: Okay.
Rick Hall: um But. yeah we went a long ways and i had hunted the area the year before so you know i knew where they all we're supposed to be. I can say supposed to be because they weren't where we went.
Rick Hall: And we finally found them at this one little area that. that uh I knew about. And we saw a lot of them. and Ended up. We were going to go home. and One's right in front of us.
Rick Hall: Jumped out and shot it. I mean on the road It was. It's too simple. but We got some meat.
Denis Tyrell: So you could have just started there and saved yourself 159 miles.
Rick Hall: It was, it was. 20 minutes out of town. you know Most of it. paved road and then we got on the dirt you know, went up in there and looked. Nothing. Good one to come out. There's one around the road.
Rick Hall: Not on the pavement, but on the dirt.
Denis Tyrell: Sure.
Rick Hall: And then. You know. The guys that I was with are pretty new hunters. and I got to test out some of my some of my knives. And.
Rick Hall: we did a comparison. and not to bag on.
Denis Tyrell: Did you, did you got him? Did you, uh... gut them with one of your knives.
Rick Hall: Oh yeah. Oh yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Nice.
Rick Hall: i quartered them i don't do the gutting thing anymore it's too messy and you don't need to You can get every bit of meat off of them without cutting them. But.
Denis Tyrell: What do you mean without cutting it?
Rick Hall: with
Denis Tyrell: What?
Rick Hall: without gutting them.
Denis Tyrell: Oh god, I thought you said without cutting them. I'm like, well, what do you have a lasers?
Rick Hall: No.
Denis Tyrell: ah
Rick Hall: No, without without getting them, you can do the whole job. everything just stays as one unit you know you take the back strap you take the rib meat take neck meat you can go in from the top of the rib get the um Tenderloins out.
Rick Hall: Um, It's pretty easy. You take the legs right off and you're good. Cough. But we used ah one of my knives for... Um, The second half of the pro process, the first half, we tried one of those Havilands.
Rick Hall: um Not trying to. Bad talk, Avalon, but... We got six cats out.
Denis Tyrell: It's okay. They're not listening.
Rick Hall: We had six cuts of that thing and it was dull. I used one of my little...
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, aren't those the replaceable blade ones?
Rick Hall: Yeah. Well now I know why they're replaceable. because they last for about six cuts. And you know. A lot of people swear by them, but. Um, we finished the whole thing with one one with one of my knives and it was complete job and it was still razor sharp when we got done.
Denis Tyrell: Nice.
Rick Hall: The hair on those antelope really dulls your knife. the hair does.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: So in all fairness, we did we did do the... First cuts is through the hair and that stuff just. Tears your knife up. but uh
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, I've heard that.
Rick Hall: He's one of my little... um one of my little skinny knives, I showed you that shape. that i that I make those out of.
Denis Tyrell: Yep. Mm hmm.
Rick Hall: and and Matter of fact, Jamie cut himself twice. um with that knife he goes yeah this thing's still sharp We had him all bandaged up.
Denis Tyrell: While he... book. While he was cutting up the antelope.
Rick Hall: What? Yes. Yeah. It's really easy to cut yourself when you're doing that because everything's slippery. You're trying to hang on to it. You're bent over. your You're shaking. You know, he was all nervous from from the hunt. This is only second his second big game animal.
Rick Hall: And, you know, his adrenaline was going. and and he slipped. As a matter of fact, it was right when I walked away to go get a bag
Denis Tyrell: Like it happened.
Rick Hall: Because I'd been watching like no don't do it that way you'll cut yourself and then he did it another way and i said don't do that you're gonna you're gonna take your finger off the minute i walk away He cuts himself. and then does it again.
Rick Hall: Um, When we got back to the... when we got back to our campsite. He did it again. so you know He was kind of...
Rick Hall: boning some of the stuff out because I like to bone it out and get it on ice right away. I don't let it skin over, get let flies get on it or I wash all the hair off and get it right in the cooler right away. Cool that meat out and it tastes phenomenal
Denis Tyrell: Did you have any that night?
Rick Hall: No. No.
Denis Tyrell: No.
Rick Hall: No, we didn't have a... We didn't have a fire. It was too dangerous.
Denis Tyrell: oh
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Oh.
Rick Hall: out there Yeah. And don't think that we started this one either.
Denis Tyrell: Hey, but wait a second. It was, you were Norse.
Rick Hall: Yeah, right. right Yeah. I it was way north of. Love lock. Nevada.
Denis Tyrell: oh
Rick Hall: Didn't Did you get any tags this year?
Denis Tyrell: I never, I... the The only, the only.
Rick Hall: You don't put in no more?
Denis Tyrell: the only turkey the only hunting i do is for turkey And I didn't even go out last year.
Rick Hall: Right.
Denis Tyrell: I got i got a... ah ah stamp or whatever a turkey stamp last year and i didn't even go out
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: So I'll probably...
Rick Hall: Well.
Denis Tyrell: No, in fact, I probably won't go next year either because I'm going to be like heads down. That's May. That's like right before Blade Show.
Rick Hall: Mm hmm.
Denis Tyrell: So I'll be. Um, well, May, sorry, it'll be March.
Rick Hall: You've been a busy boy making knives and doing classes. and being retired.
Denis Tyrell: Yep. well You're retired. What are you talking about?
Rick Hall: Hey, hey, hey, you know don't knock it.
Denis Tyrell: yeah
Rick Hall: I love being retired
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. ah You know what I spent the last week and a half doing? is learning that. Wazer water jet
Rick Hall: oh How was that?
Denis Tyrell: Um, i um I'm going to be honest here. And... So I've reviewed a lot of tools. Meg... TIG.
Denis Tyrell: Lasers aplenty. Um,
Rick Hall: o
Denis Tyrell: Mm. Maybe I expected this thing to be a little easier. Um, Having really...
Rick Hall: what What didn't you like?
Denis Tyrell: It's not that I didn't like it. um
Rick Hall: right
Denis Tyrell: Okay. the The water jet is a very complicated machine. Meaning. For a laser, It's just the laser cutting head. like there's With a water jet, you've got the water.
Denis Tyrell: You've got the abrasive.
Rick Hall: But darn it.
Denis Tyrell: You've got the air.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: You've got the cutting bed. You've got the the water level. You've got all of the drain filters. You've got the input filters. There's a ton of moving parts.
Denis Tyrell: There's a ton of things that can go wrong.
Rick Hall: Mmm.
Denis Tyrell: Right. And maybe I'm being hard on the guys.
Rick Hall: Okay.
Denis Tyrell: You know, because I just have no experience with water jet.
Rick Hall: mm -hmm
Denis Tyrell: And. I felt like in my first. Whatever. i I did two cuts of like folder blades. Okay. Cut a folder blade.
Denis Tyrell: Cut a folder blade. Went okay. Didn't have any problems. and then I was talking to Noah. Adieu. Hustle and Grind, Antioch River Forge. And I.
Denis Tyrell: He wanted me to cut a sheet. of knives. I'm like, great. I'll cut them for you because... I want to put this machine through its paces. So...
Denis Tyrell: He sends me a piece of... two pieces actually of 12 by 18. uh eighth inch aebl and a 16th inch aebl because he wanted to lay knives Uh,
Denis Tyrell: I think I've... I have. Put. Just about every error code that that thing can throw. it threw in that sheet.
Denis Tyrell: Um, like the you got to clean the filters you got to do the abrasives you get it like It was... It's a learning curve. And there are two different.
Rick Hall: Well, let me be clear. This is ah this is a machine that... that It's supposed to be for guys like us.
Denis Tyrell: Yes.
Rick Hall: Small. Right.
Denis Tyrell: It's small. the And when I do my full review on this thing and... you know And they said to wait six months before I do the full review, and I understand why now. Because there's definitely a learning curve.
Rick Hall: learning curve. No. Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: And. ah There are at least two times when I was ready to tell these guys to take this thing out of my shop. I'm like, how can this thing throw this many error codes?
Denis Tyrell: And I get it now.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: You just have to... understand.
Rick Hall: You gotta get it dialed. Yeah, you got to get it dialed first.
Denis Tyrell: You got to get it dialed in. There's things that go wrong. there's Like when you introduce water. into anything. Like it is so complicated because water just wants to do what it wants to do.
Denis Tyrell: Right. Like if.
Rick Hall: I had a hose break. I know about that. Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: If water gets in the abrasives, if if the cutting head hits... something like sometimes you cut something and then it's called a pop -up it'll You know, it'll hit. the cutting bed and after you cut it it kind of flips up
Rick Hall: Mm hmm. Mhm.
Denis Tyrell: If the cutting head then... runs into that you'll get a backflow and it'll backflow the water back into the abrasives and then it The abrasives don't flow. and Like there's. such a multitude of problems that can go wrong.
Denis Tyrell: Um,
Rick Hall: So you're saying it's not easy to set up is what you're saying.
Denis Tyrell: It's easy to set up it's just there's a lot of like little Like now, oh, if this happens, I know what to do. oh if this happens i know oh i just need to like clean the filter
Rick Hall: Okay.
Denis Tyrell: Which is like a two second thing. And there's. here's a simple little thing like where the back filter is the, when you When you pull that filter,
Denis Tyrell: What you don't see... is that there's a little sensor. That's under the water. which is a... Um, If the water gets too low,
Denis Tyrell: in the machine it will turn off. But you can't see that sensor. And it's right beside where the filter is. So if you pull the filter. too strong in you. Tap that sensor.
Denis Tyrell: The machine resets. Which really sucks if you're in the middle of a cut And it's cut half a knife. And then the machine resets.
Rick Hall: Hmm.
Denis Tyrell: Because now you have to start the entire cut over. Or you got to go edit your file and remove the ones you've already cut and da -da -da -da. Like, it's a fucking nightmare. um So you...
Rick Hall: what's What's the curve like on that? what Does it leave an angled curve?
Denis Tyrell: ah It's always all water jets are going to leave some angled kerf and the the width of the cut.
Rick Hall: Mm hmm.
Denis Tyrell: is about 38 to 40 thou. Um, Which isn't... Terrible? Um, That's just normal for water jets. You are going to have a ah slight angle on the... um on the cut.
Denis Tyrell: on the edges.
Rick Hall: oh Is it cut it pretty fast or? Is it a slow process?
Denis Tyrell: No. Does not cut it fast at all. here Here, let me put it in perspective.
Rick Hall: Okay.
Denis Tyrell: So the 12 by 18 sheet, and this is the Wazer desktop. This is... I think one of the problems is... um I'll say with our interaction I'm not sure expectations were set.
Rick Hall: who
Denis Tyrell: When I said, yeah, I want to cut knives and, you know, kind of sheet full of blanks and stuff like that. This is a prototyping machine. Okay.
Rick Hall: Okay.
Denis Tyrell: um The machine runs at about... Mmm. On eighth inch. It's about an inch. of travel? In.
Denis Tyrell: Hmm. maybe two minutes.
Rick Hall: Yes.
Denis Tyrell: So... To do. Um, 20 knives, 20 knives of of Noah's knives fit on this sheet. It was a 17 hour cut.
Rick Hall: Okay.
Denis Tyrell: 350 pounds of abrasives.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: And... um The problem is you'd think, okay.
Rick Hall: for that for them For those cuts?
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: 350 pounds.
Denis Tyrell: 350 pounds of a brace. Yeah.
Rick Hall: Geez, that doesn't sound cost efficient to me.
Denis Tyrell: No. That's what I'm saying. This is a prototyping. um It's not, you can do it like you can do. A sheet of... Knives. But... At that point.
Rick Hall: Yeah, that that would kill it for me right there, though, the time. if I mean, let's say it was fast. Then I can maybe. Deal with it a little bit more
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: But 18 hours?
Denis Tyrell: The Wazer Pro is twice as fast.
Rick Hall: Oh.
Denis Tyrell: Um,
Rick Hall: So six, so eight hours. Nine hours.
Denis Tyrell: ah Um, but hold on i haven't even told you the worst part because 17 hours i'm like okay Yeah, it's slow. I'll just let it go overnight. The problem is... The machine will stop every hour.
Denis Tyrell: And you have to... Dump the ah the abrasive the used abrasive buckets and add abrasives to the machine.
Rick Hall: Well that's what you got your wife for.
Denis Tyrell: Right.
Rick Hall: Sorry, Kim. I don't want to get killed.
Denis Tyrell: Um,
Rick Hall: Never mind.
Denis Tyrell: So.
Rick Hall: I didn't say that.
Denis Tyrell: So, I mean. As I was working in the shop, I just had it cutting and then it would stop every hour or so. I'd go over and change the braid, but it took me three days.
Rick Hall: Mm hmm.
Denis Tyrell: To cut that sheet.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: So I don't think I would be doing that all that often, but if I was going to do, oh, I need to cut four knives or whatever, I'll cut two now and two later, whatever.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: that car Or if I'm cutting a folder blade. Takes me half an hour. I just let it run. No problem.
Rick Hall: Nope.
Denis Tyrell: That's where the sweet spot is.
Rick Hall: It's no wonder they want you to have three months.
Denis Tyrell: Right. So that's the really the story.
Rick Hall: It's no wonder they want to want three months before you review it. It's going to take you that long to cut them.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. So the the sweet spot is really...
Rick Hall: Sorry guys.
Denis Tyrell: the one or two Whatever you're you're doing one offs or a couple
Rick Hall: Mm hmm.
Denis Tyrell: um Blades. or your're or at least for metal.
Rick Hall: Mhm.
Denis Tyrell: I think if you're doing glass or something like that it cuts much faster.
Rick Hall: Right.
Rick Hall: Now titanium is another animal because I eat cannot stand cutting that stuff on a saw it leaves that little ridge and it lifts up and it's But inaccurate.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: I'm going to be probably getting some of my folders laser cut.
Denis Tyrell: Right, that is the way to go for titanium
Rick Hall: From a guy. get Got one of those. Yeah. I think that would be a lot.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: more conducive i mean the we went through three bland bandsaw blades while i was there Come on.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, I mean...
Rick Hall: it's And it was a terrible cut.
Denis Tyrell: ah
Denis Tyrell: I'm going to try and I'm certainly going to try and water jet them. They're they're telling me that. um the new software you can spot holes and it'll just pierce. which is a 40 thou which is perfect so it'll spot all the holes for you Um,
Rick Hall: Okay.
Denis Tyrell: And then... you just real re -drill I think. $40 ,000 a little wide for a... um um, a lock bar cut on a on a liner lock.
Rick Hall: Yeah, they gotta be like 20.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, most.
Rick Hall: Or 15 even.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, I'd prefer 15 with those really thin abrasive discs.
Rick Hall: Yeah. Me too. look at those little jewel Those little...
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: ah Red ones. Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: I mean, it doesn't hurt it to do 40 thou. It just, because visually you don't see that. That's inside the blade. inside the knife but
Rick Hall: Mm hmm.
Denis Tyrell: um So I'm going to try it. But you definitely have to oversize your knife. um And then. i don't know how i don't know how i'm gonna do like oversize it and do the cut tried to do the cut of the um of the lock bar.
Denis Tyrell: i don't know I'll see how it goes.
Rick Hall: I mean...
Denis Tyrell: I have some playing.
Rick Hall: after After you start doing all that stuff, you know, you start weighing, well, I'm still going to have to do this. and I'm still going to have to grind this. You got to do a bunch more work on it. I mean, if it was a laser cut. you Put it on the knife.
Rick Hall: You know?
Denis Tyrell: No, I mean, you're still going to. Unless you're like getting your scale C and seed and like. For what we do? you're still going to end up grinding the... the profile.
Denis Tyrell: with Once you get everything together in the bolsters, you're still...
Rick Hall: Oh yeah! Wow.
Denis Tyrell: So who cares? I mean, who cares if it's water jet, you're going to grind the the profile of the knife with all the scales and everything on it anyway.
Rick Hall: I didn't know that it would... do holds that small. That's that's surprising.
Denis Tyrell: Well, if it's if it's a $40 ,000... Curse.
Rick Hall: ah Right.
Denis Tyrell: and you're just going to pierce with it, you'll get a 40 -thousandth hole.
Denis Tyrell: I mean, the laser on the other hand, it'll do... you know. 10 ,000 holes.
Rick Hall: Exactly, yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Um, Yeah.
Rick Hall: Do they have a machine that is... a laser that's about the size of that. water jet. cutter ah ah for home.
Denis Tyrell: Sure.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, the X tool.
Rick Hall: I was thinking about doing one of those.
Denis Tyrell: Metal Fab.
Rick Hall: but
Denis Tyrell: But they're also 20 grand.
Rick Hall: Yeah. Yeah. I know. They didn't want.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: It doesn't hurt to want, you know.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, that one's basically is a it's it's basically the the laser welder that I have. It's the exact same specs. 700 watt.
Rick Hall: Just mounted on an arm.
Denis Tyrell: Cuts. Just mounted on a gantry.
Rick Hall: Yeah. Yep.
Denis Tyrell: And the X -Laser Lab, the welder that I have that cleans...
Rick Hall: well
Denis Tyrell: um welds and um Cut. cuts
Rick Hall: Mm hmm.
Denis Tyrell: Same thing.
Rick Hall: you know for the amount of money that my guy charges me. for the laser cut stuff. You could make a lot of scales for 20 grand. There are a lot of liners.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Yes.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Even...
Rick Hall: more than I could make in a lifetime.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. I had mine. done with sand cut sand cut sand we'll do 16th inch titanium now.
Rick Hall: okay
Denis Tyrell: You get them in four days.
Rick Hall: Looks like it. Like I was saying, my neighbor next door. is one of the computer programmers for those guys. He's like, what do you need?
Denis Tyrell: Oh really?
Rick Hall: What do you need? Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: oh
Rick Hall: Right behind me.
Denis Tyrell: Nice.
Rick Hall: So he asked me if I wanted anything.
Denis Tyrell: Nice.
Rick Hall: He actually cut up. set up. liners for me but my design wasn't right so I got to not use those.
Denis Tyrell: oh
Rick Hall: Found that out later, though. And it was because of... uh, knife print. that knot snapping to center on the hole. Killed me.
Denis Tyrell: oh
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, I still gotta to email him about that
Rick Hall: Yeah, do that quick because I want to start using them again.
Rick Hall: But...
Denis Tyrell: Um,
Rick Hall: They're great for designing fixed blades, but... Folders is a different animal. You got to be really precise.
Denis Tyrell: oh I use them for folders all the time. There's there's a couple of what I...
Rick Hall: I know you do.
Denis Tyrell: what I would. Now that I'm doing the um getting them laser cut.
Rick Hall: Mm -hmm.
Denis Tyrell: I really need to know exactly the distance between the center of the pivot. and the center of the crescent.
Rick Hall: mm -hmm
Denis Tyrell: Um,
Rick Hall: Yeah, and I know we both design folders on. on there but it did bite me in the butt once and
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: it in
Denis Tyrell: But I mean, even even if it did that, like... it I can't. it's not like fusion i can go to fusion 360 and i can put that because that's what i ended up doing when, um,
Denis Tyrell: I so rigged them up. Sorry, when I set up my knife to get Waterjet. I actually, I exported the DXF, imported it into Fusion 360 and redid that arc in Fusion 360. So it's exactly the size that I needed.
Rick Hall: oh wow so you you designed the knife on knife print because it's quicker and then just imported the dxf to fusion
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, and then just redid the the the pivot and the crescent.
Rick Hall: Right. Right.
Denis Tyrell: so that it was perfect.
Rick Hall: Yeah
Rick Hall: Yeah, I mean
Denis Tyrell: But it took a little doing.
Rick Hall: I would love to do that. the stop pin track and do all that stuff by laser. It would be great.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: You know stop pin tracking the blade
Rick Hall: As long as you have it. designed properly, it'll be great.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: with as accurate as they are. i was concerned about that curve but If it's not that bad and you can touch it up. No big deal.
Denis Tyrell: I mean, for for folders, it's perfect. Like, that is not a worry at all because you're using such thin material.
Rick Hall: Mm hmm.
Denis Tyrell: Even if you're doing frames, it doesn't matter.
Rick Hall: Right.
Denis Tyrell: Um, because you're going to touch that up anyway. But. You know who gets all of their parts laser cut?
Rick Hall: Yeah, well...
Denis Tyrell: for all of their machines.
Rick Hall: oh
Denis Tyrell: A mere braid. They have their own label.
Rick Hall: Some air brakes, yeah.
Denis Tyrell: They have their own laser cutting. basically business that also cuts all their parts for their um ah for their grinders. If you guys need...
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Rick Hall: Good grinders.
Denis Tyrell: And.
Rick Hall: I've used pretty much all of the top end grinders and it's right up there. It's right up there with anything that I've used.
Denis Tyrell: Oh yeah.
Rick Hall: so I mean... as long as you can You know, get ah get a knife done with it. You're good.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. Yeah, and they have some of the best attachments Really, really.
Rick Hall: I do agree with that.
Denis Tyrell: Top notch stuff.
Rick Hall: They've got they got that Mareko platen. They have that really nice surface grinder. I like that with the magnetic chuck and all that stuff.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: there's There's quite a few attachments that... I have on mine. but um a different. maker.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: different brand. um
Denis Tyrell: Well, let's pay off
Rick Hall: I like the... I like the large wheel on the bottom on the platen.
Denis Tyrell: Sorry.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Um... I... I had that platen. I have that platen for the Ameribraid. My preference is the, in fact, you probably have never even used it, is the drop -away platen.
Rick Hall: No, but I like it because it's so much easier than taking the bolts out and having to realign everything and all that stuff.
Denis Tyrell: Absolutely.
Rick Hall: Yeah. Yeah, that's a slot time saver.
Denis Tyrell: Ah. Yeah, um... You know, I'm all about lazy when it comes to changing attachments and just flipping that switch and dropping that platen away i find myself using the slack um belt way more than I ever used to.
Rick Hall: Mm hmm.
Denis Tyrell: when I'm doing handles and stuff like that. so much easier and i have another grinder that has the big wheel on the bottom um So I don't need it on.
Rick Hall: Oh yeah.
Denis Tyrell: On the Ameribread, I prefer having the drop -away platen as my main platen.
Rick Hall: Sure. Well. I don't need it because... i've got six grinders and i set them all up with different things so that's how i save my time i just
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: go to the grinder that has what I want on it. And I very rarely, very rarely change out. You saw my grinding room. It's pretty set up.
Denis Tyrell: Except for when I come over in it. And I bitch and moan about it. Not having the exact setup that I want.
Rick Hall: You cry about everything. What are you talking about?
Denis Tyrell: Hey, i'm I'm used to...
Rick Hall: You don't have one of those?
Denis Tyrell: I'm used to using what I use. and ah
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: You know. Stuck in my ways.
Rick Hall: But I did have everything you wanted.
Denis Tyrell: Of course, you just had to set it up
Rick Hall: Yeah. Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Um,
Rick Hall: you know, you had to deal with the prima donna over there grinding.
Denis Tyrell: That's right. All right, well, let's finish paying off all these bills. If you guys need some... primo handle scales uh go check out grip tech composites at griptech official or griptech .com makers of grip x That nice grippy. yeah handle material i bet you guys wish he had grip x on that uh on that knife used to uh To skin that.
Rick Hall: skinny animal i was just gonna say i've got A couple pieces of that.
Denis Tyrell: Yes.
Rick Hall: grip tack and I'm going to make one of those skinners that I make.
Denis Tyrell: Absolutely.
Rick Hall: with that.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: And...
Denis Tyrell: That that's what to me, um, kitchen knives and, and that application for doing, um, processing game.
Rick Hall: Mm -hmm.
Denis Tyrell: It's like the...
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: some of the best usage of that and it just looks really cool i've done um I've done some really... high finish on those and actually buffed it. And I love the way it looks.
Rick Hall: oh we yeah
Denis Tyrell: i I like to pair it with, um, with carbon fiber and grip tech. And I think it looks amazing.
Rick Hall: Oh yeah.
Denis Tyrell: And they have a lot of really cool colors. So, um, they even have the grip X three D's. They've got 3d printed molds and then he, he pours the grip tech into it. So you get like, you know, the honeycomb and the different kinds of patterns, skulls.
Denis Tyrell: and whatever you're into.
Rick Hall: Right.
Denis Tyrell: yeah so use the discount code triple t10 go get yourself some grip x Um, And. Yeah. Use the discount code.
Rick Hall: How about make our spotlight?
Denis Tyrell: You'll save money. What's that?
Rick Hall: Maker Spotlight. Don't forget your Maker Spotlight.
Denis Tyrell: Oh, I know. i know
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: ah yeah so let's do some maker spotlights you want to go first and want me to go
Rick Hall: I'll go first. Mine is the same guy that I did last time I was on because he's got. 282 followers so you guys need to get out there and follow this kid he's really a good guy He makes some really nice knives and he just started doing a Cerakoting business. He was in construction, but now he started doing Cerakoting. He's doing some really nice work.
Rick Hall: His handle is IamStarForge. at Instagram. It's I am S T A R F O R G E His name is...
Denis Tyrell: And what's his name, what's his first name?
Rick Hall: quiet. Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Why it?
Rick Hall: Wyatt. Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: Very cool.
Rick Hall: Good kid.
Denis Tyrell: uh yeah i'm just looking through his profile he's got some cool knives
Rick Hall: Yeah, he's done some nice stuff.
Denis Tyrell: Oh, hello.
Rick Hall: He's one of my students. Um, you know just starting out he's just starting on his journeymans
Denis Tyrell: I like that. um Um... it's like a buoy it's got a star well i guess star is his uh that's his maker's mark, but, uh,
Rick Hall: that Yeah. Yup.
Denis Tyrell: He's got a buoy down there that looks really cool. Um, it's kind of like harpoon kind of Point on it. Looks cool. I like that one a lot. Shapely handle.
Rick Hall: Yeah, he's a he like I said, he's really a good kid. He could use some followers and any... any Cerakoting work if you guys could throw it his way, that'd be great, too
Denis Tyrell: Very cool. I already follow him.
Rick Hall: And who's yours?
Denis Tyrell: Um, This... Now I lost mine. Hold on. um This week I have... um Uh... Alexander. Kosinek.
Denis Tyrell: um It's Olek. Oleksandr is his actual name. O -L -E -K -S -A. Anyway, it's A -L -E -K -S -A -N -D -R. k i K -A -S -I -N -E -C.
Denis Tyrell: Just read them. notes. Alexander. Kasanick. and uh He's... um Here, I'm going to put this in the show notes so you can...
Denis Tyrell: I'll put it in the chat there so you can click on it and look. Um, Just some really, really cool. really nice um knives. i'm a big fan of these like the the ones he does that has the like the mammoth in the center and it's like 11, 12 pieces.
Denis Tyrell: uh like little shims and the one that's In the second row, third one. Just an amazing piece.
Rick Hall: Yeah, those are pretty, really nice segmented.
Denis Tyrell: where
Rick Hall: with some light with some ah spacers in between the segmenting.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: It's beautiful.
Denis Tyrell: And every one of those segments is and is a curved segment.
Rick Hall: Right.
Denis Tyrell: And they all separate. It's a takedown. So they all go together with lineup pins. You can see it in the one. the first.
Rick Hall: Mm hmm.
Denis Tyrell: The first one, he he actually puts it together and you see how many. pieces. And everyone has. um little lineup pins. it's Just an incredible build.
Rick Hall: Did a really nice box for it too.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. I love how he did the top of the guard, how he's got that. Done. in inside radius.
Rick Hall: Mm hmm.
Denis Tyrell: uh right at the top of the guard you see what i'm talking about
Rick Hall: Yeah, right where it meets the blade.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, that's really cool.
Rick Hall: Yeah. Yeah, those are nice
Denis Tyrell: I may steal that at some point. Um,
Rick Hall: That's what we're for.
Denis Tyrell: Yes.
Rick Hall: stealing stuff from other people that do a good job.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, and just...
Rick Hall: I wonder who he stole it from.
Denis Tyrell: the Yeah, just the way it clicks together with all the lineup pins and just a stellar job. This one I think has got some Tomascus. Um,
Denis Tyrell: shims spacers in there And everything's so shiny, shiny. It's a beautiful, beautiful knife.
Rick Hall: Yeah it is.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah, he's Russian, I believe.
Rick Hall: Russian, yeah.
Denis Tyrell: but Really really nice Very classy looking
Rick Hall: Well...
Denis Tyrell: So. Yeah. And he's only got 4 ,000 followers, so go check him out. and um Yeah, just some really, really quality work. Uh, There's a, if you look. One, two, three, four.
Denis Tyrell: like mine Like eight down. He's got a guard. and That he's holding in his hand and then a couple Posts way you see the the knife made from that guard. I love that guard
Rick Hall: Yeah, that's nice.
Denis Tyrell: You know what I'm talking about has liked it
Rick Hall: doing some Doing some quality work. you know
Denis Tyrell: Yeah. Yeah, really really nice So. Things to strive for.
Rick Hall: Right, exactly.
Denis Tyrell: yeah Really, really clean stuff. But... um Yep. So this week I'll be finishing my sci -fi challenge, getting that video done.
Denis Tyrell: Um, Don't. Think there's going to be a triple T this week. I'm kind of slacking about, about the, I'm actually, that's not true. I may do one Wednesday.
Denis Tyrell: One of my Patreon members, we were talking about... And you would relate to this, Rick. We were talking about. ah White lines. getting white lines in your Damascus and how to fix that when you restack.
Denis Tyrell: And.
Rick Hall: Yeah.
Denis Tyrell: um And I'm you know soaking in it. whatever 1800 degrees for 20 minutes or whatever. It's a really simple fix.
Rick Hall: Yep.
Denis Tyrell: but um I may just. Do a really short video. tip on on that.
Rick Hall: Yeah
Denis Tyrell: I mentioned it in passing in other videos.
Rick Hall: You know. What they're looking at is carbon migration that hasn't finished migrating.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah well they're they're looking at decarb on the outside when you restack especially when you tile. Um, is what you're seeing that decarb and you need to let the carbon migrate back to those areas so that it normalizes a little bit.
Rick Hall: Yep.
Rick Hall: Yeah. If you get those white lines, it's pretty easy to soak it at temperature. um And they will go away.
Denis Tyrell: They will. Take some time, but it's easy especially you do in the oven. Just let it
Rick Hall: Right.
Denis Tyrell: Let it soak in there.
Rick Hall: Well, and you know, a lot of times normalizing it and doing all that stuff will get rid of it.
Denis Tyrell: So I might do...
Rick Hall: But if you still got it ah when you do your test etch, then you have to just do another cycle of heat.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: Maybe two.
Denis Tyrell: I usually don't, I don't want to go through the whole. normalization grain refined. Until. I've test etched it and those are gone. because i don't want to go through normalization and then those still be there and then have to go through all of those cycles again.
Rick Hall: Mm -hmm.
Rick Hall: Right.
Denis Tyrell: i Because it's going to blow your heat treat because you're way up it. 1800. So. I'd rather just... fix it with the 1800 a few times until they're gone and then go through my normalization and all that stuff.
Denis Tyrell: So anyway, that's probably what my video is going to be about this week. so It'd be something mostly just talking and a few pictures.
Rick Hall: i don't know
Rick Hall: Yeah, I mean, you've been very helpful to the community. I got to give you a little praise. You know, Dennis goes out of his way to find all this information for you guys. and He's killed the learning curve on a lot of stuff for me. and also you know We've talked.
Rick Hall: extensively together about problems that we've had and come up with a solution to it. And most of the time it works. Not all the time.
Denis Tyrell: Yeah.
Rick Hall: lots of time
Denis Tyrell: Oh, yeah. You've helped me many a time. Don't worry.
Rick Hall: Well, I'm sure it won't be the last.
Denis Tyrell: Alright, man. No. i'm sure we'll be bouncing things back and forth when we really get into these master knives
Rick Hall: Exactly.
Rick Hall: Alright, Dennis.
Denis Tyrell: All right, I think we paid all the bills. we've um Talked about everything. I got one thing I didn't mention. We'll talk about that next week.
Rick Hall: All right. Save something for the next show.
Denis Tyrell: Alright. It's been a blast. Thank you for joining me this week. And um we will see you folks next week. I think Jared will be back. I'm sure he'll talk about golf.
Denis Tyrell: hopefully among other things.
Rick Hall: let me He better not.
Denis Tyrell: We'll see.
Rick Hall: I'm going to call up to the podcast when you guys are recording. I'm going to give him crap.
Denis Tyrell: ah Please. Alright, guys. Thank you. We will see you next time.
Rick Hall: And that's a wrap.
