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Speaker: Welcome to Bigger Talks with Eric Bigger, a podcast dedicated to delving into unexpected conversations with a diverse range of guests.
Speaker: I'm your host, Eric Bigger, and I'm joining you each week to create an authentic space of dialogue about the subcultures of American life.
Speaker: Through engaging discussions with writers, actors, experts, and influencers, we will explore the strength of diversity and the transformational power of vulnerability.
Speaker: So let's dive in and discover the unexpected together on Bigger Talks.
Speaker: Bigger Talks, Bigger Talks.
Speaker: Back again for another episode.
Speaker: I'm so excited.
Speaker: I'm fulfilled.
Speaker: And I got a phenomenal guest.
Speaker: This is my guy.
Speaker: This is my brother from another.
Speaker: He don't even know it.
Speaker: You know, they call him Ahmad the Poet.
Speaker: He's a writer.
Speaker: He's a speaker, mental health advocate.
Speaker: And he's the host of the Breaking the Machine podcast.
Speaker: But I always say he's a new age thinker.
Speaker: He thinks outside of the box.
Speaker: He shifts paradigms.
Speaker: He's a chosen one.
Speaker: He's the one and only.
Speaker: Ahmad, welcome to Bigger Talks podcast.
Speaker: How are you feeling?
Speaker: My brother, I'm feeling amazing.
Speaker: My brother, after that introduction and just really sitting for the show, man.
Speaker: more 10 right now bro I love it man hey man it's been a journey I want to share with the audience you know I think I met you through my cousin if anyone know in the social media world or comedian world D Young show Dante Young I think he posted some of your content on his page I'm like man bro tap in like you know and I started following him I think one of your plays well I didn't even know I think it's the ancestral plane the Instagram a lot of motivation inspirational content viral content and I didn't know you ran that page and it was like
Speaker: creator Ahmad DePaul and I'm like Ahmad DePaul who's that?
Speaker: I was like oh it's bro like he's the guy and then you know we did a podcast probably like two years ago and I was just blown away by not only your age but just your wisdom you know to everybody listening go follow Ahmad DePaul on Instagram follow him he's tuned in he's tapping he's dialed in and I promise you the world gotta catch up with his content they gotta catch up to his thinking they gotta catch up the ideology that he has because I feel like you're chosen
Speaker: I feel like you're here for a greater reason.
Speaker: Not only shift humanity and raise people's vibration, but I think we like to consider ourselves the black culture, you know, the urban culture.
Speaker: But I feel like you're beyond that, like, you know, you're a universal human.
Speaker: It's bigger than being black for you and for me as well, you know, because I don't put myself in a box.
Speaker: I was inspired by your thinking, how you show up on social media, your content.
Speaker: I do know you're from Detroit, you know, born and raised.
Speaker: So if you give the list, it's just a quick synopsis of like, who is Amadi?
Speaker: Like, where did this thinking come from?
Speaker: And when did you start writing?
Speaker: Man, I appreciate that, my brother.
Speaker: But I would be remiss to say that I was raised in Flint, Michigan.
Speaker: I know a lot of my people from Flint.
Speaker: I'm like, he's from Flint.
Speaker: I do a lot of my work in Detroit, and I went to college in Detroit.
Speaker: So I've been in Detroit for the past couple of years and stuff like that.
Speaker: I was actually born in Alabama.
Speaker: A lot of my friends that I grew up with, they never believed that.
Speaker: I was actually born in Alabama.
Speaker: raised in Flint.
Speaker: But yeah, I do spend a lot of time in Detroit.
Speaker: But yeah, me, bro, I don't really know how to title myself.
Speaker: I definitely would say a writer, a journalist.
Speaker: Growing up, bro, all I wanted to do was write.
Speaker: So at the age of seven, I started writing short stories.
Speaker: And then I remember around eight or nine, I used to just watch TV and I thought that
Speaker: News anchors were just debaters.
Speaker: That's what I thought.
Speaker: So I wanted to be a journalist to debate.
Speaker: That was the only reason.
Speaker: So as I got older, people told me I should be a lawyer because I like to argue.
Speaker: I used to get into debates.
Speaker: I used to get in trouble a lot back in middle school.
Speaker: And I would always get my way out of trouble just by the way I talk.
Speaker: And I know it sounds like it might make sense now.
Speaker: But at that time, I didn't understand.
Speaker: Everybody like me, you got to give you got to be a lawyer.
Speaker: Yeah, so just a writer, man, a mental health advocate, podcaster, one half of Breaking the Machine, me and my guy Spank.
Speaker: Yeah, that's me, man.
Speaker: Just really just trying to empower people to understand their possibilities and understand that they don't have to do one thing one way.
Speaker: They don't have to make the choice that the world wants them to make, man.
Speaker: It's about you and your movie and your moments.
Speaker: I always tell people that like one of the biggest thing that hurts us as people is because we have multiple movie scripts in our heads, man.
Speaker: Like, dang, what would the star do in that one movie that I've seen?
Speaker: Or what would the cool dude do in that one movie?
Speaker: No, what would you do?
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: How would you show up?
Speaker: Like, just diving deep into what feels true to you.
Speaker: I know this might be a little too personal, but...
Speaker: I remember back in my previous relationship, I had made a mistake.
Speaker: I did something wrong.
Speaker: I had to make it right.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: And it was multiple movie scripts in my head.
Speaker: Like, man, you make it right like the cool guy.
Speaker: You make it right like this.
Speaker: But then I had to make it right like me.
Speaker: And I thought I was some balloons, a cake, and this.
Speaker: I'm playing slow.
Speaker: Because you've got to show up like you, man.
Speaker: This thing hit me.
Speaker: This idea hit me like, why would I ever show up as anything other than myself?
Speaker: Because I'm having all these scripts in my head telling me what the upstanding man would do or the cool dude would do with this.
Speaker: Man, you got to live your truth how you going to live it.
Speaker: And you got to live it to the point that it quiets the noise in your head, man.
Speaker: So a lot of people, we got a lot of noise in our head because we're not living the way that we want to live.
Speaker: And the way that's true to ourselves, man.
Speaker: So that's what I try to teach people, man.
Speaker: Just to empower themselves and understand that they can live any story that they want.
Speaker: If you want to work here, you want to do this.
Speaker: If you want to do that work that don't pay as much, if you want to do that, man.
Speaker: It's a game plan for everything.
Speaker: It's a game plan for every play that you want to make in life.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: You don't have to do it one way to win the game.
Speaker: We all can win the game, you know?
Speaker: You know, it's infinite possibilities.
Speaker: Just to piggyback off of that statement, why do you think people resist doing the things they really love?
Speaker: Or why do they resist being their true self, their authentic self?
Speaker: Where is the neglect or the challenge?
Speaker: Or the barrier there for people that you see or from your paradigm, from your perspective, for them to not be all in with themselves.
Speaker: You know what's deep about that?
Speaker: I can't remember who I was having a conversation with, but it was probably like a year or two years ago.
Speaker: And we was talking about love.
Speaker: And it basically was talking about how I received love and how sometimes people
Speaker: Growing up, we receive our parents telling us we can't do this as love or we receive this as love.
Speaker: So our definitions of love is so different.
Speaker: And that's what it is.
Speaker: It's what is holding us back from doing the things that we want to do is love, but it's not.
Speaker: It's our misdefinition of love.
Speaker: So it's just like, you know, if I do what I want to do, my parents is not going to support this.
Speaker: My people around me not going.
Speaker: And I love them and they love me.
Speaker: So since they love me, I'm going to do what they want.
Speaker: But that's not love.
Speaker: That's control.
Speaker: That's fear.
Speaker: Honestly, they're so scared of what would happen to them.
Speaker: They want you not to do it because they don't think you can do something that they can't do.
Speaker: It's fear.
Speaker: It's restriction in their own mind.
Speaker: Mom and dad, if you could do anything and you could be successful at it, what would you do?
Speaker: Answer changes then.
Speaker: Oh, man, if you could do anything and where do we live?
Speaker: You have to change the parameters.
Speaker: You have to get rid of all the noise and get down to, listen, I know, like you said, I'm part of the life force.
Speaker: I'm a God.
Speaker: Like I can do anything that I put my mind to.
Speaker: So I don't care if it's something that doesn't make the most money when you type it in on Google.
Speaker: I will be the most successful.
Speaker: I will break the trend.
Speaker: I will set the trend.
Speaker: I will go above the mark.
Speaker: So I think it's really just love, man.
Speaker: Our false understanding of love and just being held back by that.
Speaker: You got some people who never leave the city that they grew up in because they're afraid or the people around them.
Speaker: who supposedly love them are telling them, man, you got to stay here.
Speaker: You understand this environment.
Speaker: It's all these love chains.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: And love is supposed to set you free.
Speaker: People are weaponizing love to hold each other back.
Speaker: People are weaponizing love.
Speaker: I don't want you to work that job because you're going to be around this type of person.
Speaker: You're going to be around that type of person.
Speaker: It's so much love chains.
Speaker: False sense of love change.
Speaker: It's like, man, you got to let it go.
Speaker: So honestly, bro, it's just those chains that we associate with people that we really love.
Speaker: And we really love these people.
Speaker: Our family, our close friends who have been there for us.
Speaker: But we got to understand when even the people that love us the most, they're operating out of a different energy, man, because nobody's perfect.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And then, you know, that equation you said, you said a lot in that equation, that formula, right?
Speaker: Came back to love.
Speaker: And one thing I want to acknowledge is that, you know, we do things for our parents because we want them to love us, but it might go against what we love.
Speaker: So therefore we set ourselves back.
Speaker: And we set them up for failure because even if we're successful in the thing they want, we're not fulfilled.
Speaker: So guess what?
Speaker: We're sad.
Speaker: They might appear to be happy.
Speaker: But I also want to acknowledge that there's something where they say, well, someone's hating on you.
Speaker: They're not hating on you because you're doing the thing they gave up on.
Speaker: You know what I mean?
Speaker: And this is how I know you tuned in, dialed in, tapped in, because you don't even know.
Speaker: I screenshotted three quotes from your page.
Speaker: So it's funny.
Speaker: My spirit just picked one.
Speaker: And the first thing you said in this past equation, you said my past relationship.
Speaker: And then you brought up love.
Speaker: So I'm going to read the quote to you.
Speaker: I got it right here on my phone.
Speaker: So I want you to unpack this quote because you wrote it February 24th of this year.
Speaker: Love is what you do when the pleasure ends.
Speaker: Love is commitment.
Speaker: You wrote that.
Speaker: And we spell love.
Speaker: What does that mean, my brother?
Speaker: Love is when the pleasure ends.
Speaker: What I meant by that, like I said, man, it was just a time in my life.
Speaker: I didn't really understand love at the time, bro.
Speaker: And I did a video on my podcast.
Speaker: It tied into that direct thought of that tweet.
Speaker: It basically precursed that tweet.
Speaker: And I said, I'm trying to quote myself correct.
Speaker: I said that when you think it's over, what you do when you think it's over really makes it over.
Speaker: You know, speaking about love and what you do in those moments when you think it's over really makes it over because it's not over.
Speaker: But the way you move in those moments when you think there's no love is really the moment where you kill the love.
Speaker: The love was still there.
Speaker: But you just couldn't see it.
Speaker: You didn't have enough faith just to be still.
Speaker: You didn't even have to do anything.
Speaker: You didn't have to apologize.
Speaker: You didn't have to do nothing right.
Speaker: All you had to do was just be still and do nothing.
Speaker: And it would have came back around.
Speaker: But you did something and you destroyed love.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: And it could be something as simple as just leaving, man.
Speaker: Or something as simple as just blocking somebody on the phone.
Speaker: It don't have to be nothing that is probably in people's minds.
Speaker: It's just that simple, man.
Speaker: It could be something as simple as saying something in the heat of the moment that you shouldn't have said.
Speaker: But you thought the love was gone.
Speaker: So that's why you said it.
Speaker: You said it because you thought the love was gone.
Speaker: So therefore the love doesn't exist because unconsciously you said something out of, despite love, you said something that was hateful, you know, spiteful because you thought love wasn't there, but love never left.
Speaker: You put it in your mind.
Speaker: Is it leaving?
Speaker: So something left your aura in your space that wasn't love.
Speaker: And it really tripled the love.
Speaker: That's good.
Speaker: Now to get to the deeper meaning of that tweet,
Speaker: Because there's layers to it.
Speaker: You know, I done had experiences with my family and we all have where I know it's love because I got your back when it's ugly.
Speaker: I got your back when even when it hurts me and I got to show up for you.
Speaker: I done been through so many moments with my family where I had to show up and it's just like, man, we in the mud, man.
Speaker: We in the mud.
Speaker: It be tough for me to even speak because it get that deep, man.
Speaker: But I'm going to share this with you, man, just because I'm on your show, man, and we just going there.
Speaker: You're thumps, man.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: Real talk.
Speaker: Like my older brother who I talk about on the podcast sometimes, you know, I told the audience, you know, that, you know, he's incarcerated and different things like that.
Speaker: He struggled with mental illness.
Speaker: My brother growing up, he was like my hero.
Speaker: You know, he was like my dad, you know, my dad passed away or took on that role.
Speaker: Him and my other older brother.
Speaker: And when my dad passed away, it took a toll on him.
Speaker: And he went through a lot of different changes.
Speaker: And one of the things that took place was he started to physically harm himself.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So he was a little bit of an extremist.
Speaker: So if you wanted to see him now, he got like machete cuts all over his body.
Speaker: You know, it looked like he'd been in the jungle getting attacked by lions, you know.
Speaker: And, you know, it's even hard for me to talk about.
Speaker: But.
Speaker: When we would be hooping at the school, he would come up to the school and he would come up with a short-sleeved shirt on it.
Speaker: All his scars up there and the dudes in the gym would look like, damn.
Speaker: Just like, what the?
Speaker: You know?
Speaker: And me and my older brother...
Speaker: We would just sit next to him and stand next to him and we just wish somebody would say something.
Speaker: And it's just like, it's those moments.
Speaker: And I could give you like moments where it's just a hundred times higher than that.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: Where you got to stand next to your brother, where you got to stand next to your family and you're like, this is what it is.
Speaker: And it's just like,
Speaker: Even when it hurts you, even when the energy is against you, even when it's just like, yo, I know it's love because it's what I did when I didn't feel no love.
Speaker: I didn't like you, man.
Speaker: Like, there was no reason for me to show up for you.
Speaker: But I knew that.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: It's love.
Speaker: It's like what my homie Tunji said, man, on our episode of Roundtable with Rev1.
Speaker: He said, man, if we can't win, I lose with you.
Speaker: That's what love is, man.
Speaker: If I can't win, we're going to lose together.
Speaker: And everybody thinks it's about winning.
Speaker: It's like, bro, love is what you do when you can't win.
Speaker: How do you protect your partner when you can't win?
Speaker: How do you make it okay when we didn't get the thing that we thought we sought out to do?
Speaker: How can we make it okay for each other?
Speaker: So I think in a nutshell, just to try to condense it, man, like that's what that tweet was meaning when it hit me.
Speaker: It's just like, nah, man, like so many relationships are destroyed because we don't know how to be together when there's no love.
Speaker: What about duty?
Speaker: What about legacy?
Speaker: What about commitment?
Speaker: Commitment is deeper than love.
Speaker: And that's what I was getting in that tweet.
Speaker: It's just like, man, in the relationships in life and the bonds and the connection in life, the only way we stay together is if love is not the thing that can tear us apart.
Speaker: That sense of love cannot tear us apart.
Speaker: I'm going to be with you regardless if I got butterflies in my stomach.
Speaker: I don't care if you my homie, you my brother, you my sister, you my woman, you my parent.
Speaker: Like, this is it.
Speaker: I don't care where the love goes.
Speaker: We always going to be here.
Speaker: That's what that meant.
Speaker: And I think, you know, some people not ready for that type of love.
Speaker: Love goes beyond human comprehension because what I've discovered in my life of relationships and just love in general, people bodies can't receive that type of love because their nervous system is not safe.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: So just think when your partner or someone you're dating or you're with, they have a mental illness and it's really bad.
Speaker: They take medication, but you don't know.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And they say, no, just leave me alone.
Speaker: You don't want to know who I really am.
Speaker: You don't know.
Speaker: I'm in the mental health hospital.
Speaker: I take meds for severe anxiety.
Speaker: You don't want to know.
Speaker: They're not telling you that.
Speaker: Their body, their energy is telling you.
Speaker: You're like, no, no, no.
Speaker: Come here.
Speaker: We can go on.
Speaker: No, Amar, just go.
Speaker: You don't want to know.
Speaker: And you just stand there strong and silent.
Speaker: No, I'm not going nowhere.
Speaker: And everything.
Speaker: And they start breaking down.
Speaker: They start crying.
Speaker: You start seeing the prescriptions in the cabinet.
Speaker: You start seeing the scars on their arm.
Speaker: And you're hugging them and they're shaking.
Speaker: They're in their mind like, how can this man love me?
Speaker: I don't even love me.
Speaker: Just get away from me so they'll do everything in their power to sabotage it unconsciously because you don't make sense to their reality because it's too much love that they never experienced or felt in their soul.
Speaker: So they got to push it away.
Speaker: And you're like, no, I'm the fire you need when you think the fire is out.
Speaker: I'm adding to it.
Speaker: I'm going to ignite you with my love.
Speaker: Come here.
Speaker: cry, be upset, be anxious, be depressed.
Speaker: I love you.
Speaker: And I'm learning that most of us, or some people in that space that don't know how to be loved, not because themselves or their people world has told us that you can't be loved.
Speaker: If you have a mental illness, the world told us you can't be loved.
Speaker: If you don't look a certain way, if you don't have a certain social class and you're like, fuck that.
Speaker: We break them through the chains.
Speaker: I love you anyway.
Speaker: I'm standing in the fire.
Speaker: I'm standing in the rain.
Speaker: What's up?
Speaker: So I'm learning that a lot of people that run into someone like you, they don't know how to receive the water that's coming out of your cup.
Speaker: It's because your water is purifying them, but for them, it's burning them because they don't know how to receive it.
Speaker: Because their cup is not ready for just yet because it's like this water is too potent.
Speaker: It's too alkalized.
Speaker: What?
Speaker: But it's like the water is really purr, but then you know how you do that?
Speaker: And it's like, no, receive.
Speaker: It's okay.
Speaker: It's kind of like when you go pick up a pet or a dog who's been rescued and it's like in fear.
Speaker: So I'm not here to hurt you.
Speaker: Just tell me more.
Speaker: And then the next thing you know, they're crying and they get all out, you know, maybe an hour go by and you're like, you okay?
Speaker: You want to go get some food?
Speaker: Yeah, get some food.
Speaker: That's love.
Speaker: You know what I mean?
Speaker: Because you stood in the fire when they thought it was over.
Speaker: Remember, you just said it.
Speaker: You stood in the fire when they thought it was over.
Speaker: Because you committed to love and not their paradigm they was living through.
Speaker: Their paradigm didn't stop your love.
Speaker: Your love was like, no, no, no, I'm right here.
Speaker: The way you broke it down to like you helped me understand more of what real love really is.
Speaker: Unconditional love.
Speaker: Agape love.
Speaker: And people talk about it.
Speaker: But people, when they experience it, it's a different ballgame.
Speaker: No, it goes back to what I was saying earlier.
Speaker: It's just like one thing that hurts people from loving in those moments unconditionally is like my homegirl wouldn't put up with this.
Speaker: My homeboy wouldn't put up with this.
Speaker: What do you love?
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: Resonate with you.
Speaker: That's the thing that always messes them up.
Speaker: As always stops love.
Speaker: When you consider how other people going to show up in this moment, you know, you in this moment.
Speaker: This is just us in this moment.
Speaker: And it's just like, man, you just hit me, man.
Speaker: Like, whoo.
Speaker: I experienced that with a person.
Speaker: I know what it's like when people running from, yeah, I got a lot to give and be ready for and it's okay, but love ain't going nowhere.
Speaker: Now, that might not be a part of your life like I once was or how we might've thought we should have been, but guess what?
Speaker: My love is still in you and on you no matter where you go.
Speaker: You ain't got to be with me, but that's how much I love you.
Speaker: So you going to know when you get in that dark moment again?
Speaker: My love will still be there.
Speaker: You're going to think of me.
Speaker: I ain't running when it got hot.
Speaker: I stayed in the fire with you.
Speaker: We got cold together.
Speaker: You know what I mean?
Speaker: No one can break that chain.
Speaker: So sometimes separation is for elevation.
Speaker: And sometimes what's good towards is not always good for it.
Speaker: Like sometimes we got to have to serve it.
Speaker: And you got to know when it is time to leave because leaving too is love.
Speaker: Saying that was love too because outside of yourself, that's going to make that person better and you better.
Speaker: But if you stay, you might really just hurt both parties.
Speaker: But people don't have that information because they're holding on to something.
Speaker: They're afraid to release because maybe it needs to be released so we all can be free and then we can come back.
Speaker: Someone said something earlier today.
Speaker: I was on social media.
Speaker: I think someone put a meme.
Speaker: I was like, the real ones always come back.
Speaker: It's like, look at J-Lo and Ben and look at Nelly and Ashanti.
Speaker: You know what I mean?
Speaker: They come back.
Speaker: But it's a beautiful thing when we can learn and we can go through the stages and the phases and learn life lessons.
Speaker: I want to move to this next quote because this one was powerful.
Speaker: It was on March 28th.
Speaker: You're like, the only reward for faking strength is more burdens for more people.
Speaker: Relief is the reward for honesty and boundaries.
Speaker: We're like, honesty?
Speaker: Can you recall that moment when you wrote that?
Speaker: Like, what were you going through?
Speaker: What was the moment where the only reward for faking strength, the acting like you're strong, you just put more burdens on from more people.
Speaker: The real relief is just really honesty, which is authenticity and setting clear boundaries on where you really are.
Speaker: How did you unpack that tweet?
Speaker: Because that's deep.
Speaker: My brother, I'm telling you.
Speaker: If you really pay attention, a lot of those tweets that I put out on my page happened over the last two years.
Speaker: And it wasn't that I didn't have, you know, thoughts going on in my head.
Speaker: It's just I did a lot of videos.
Speaker: When thoughts would come in my mind, I would put it out in videos.
Speaker: But my thoughts began to become even deeper and more profound.
Speaker: Like I said, when I was in my previous relationship, I went through so much great moments and low moments at the same time, which just like it sparked so much intense thoughts because I'm a perfectionist and I always want to be better.
Speaker: I'm always willing to face myself.
Speaker: And being in a relationship is like a mirror and, you know,
Speaker: Not only will your woman marry you, she will marry you in a way where it's just like you can only see you.
Speaker: And then you begin to see yourself and you're like, okay, I understand why I'm getting this in my reflection.
Speaker: So in my previous relationship, it was so many different moments where I was under so much intense stress because that's why I even brought up the reference.
Speaker: I'm like, why did I went off on that tangent?
Speaker: It's because it was so many moments in that.
Speaker: I'm saying too much, but now you got me.
Speaker: No, no, you got to let it out because the cosmos need it.
Speaker: We need it in the collective.
Speaker: We're going to heal a soul.
Speaker: I promise you.
Speaker: Oh, man.
Speaker: It was really just moments where I felt like I had a lot on my plate, you know, and...
Speaker: I could not get relief because I didn't know how to ask for help or to even say that it's too much on my plate because I never saw my dad do that.
Speaker: And my dad might have done that.
Speaker: I just never saw it.
Speaker: So my dad not being here, he can't tell me the upgraded level beyond a 10-year-old perception of what a man is.
Speaker: My perception of what a man is is from a 10-year-old perspective.
Speaker: So it's very stoic.
Speaker: It's very, I don't want to say inhumane, it's not realistic in a way, in a certain aspects.
Speaker: So I will take care and provide for everything.
Speaker: I will take the brunt of everything and I will not express what I'm going through internally until I'm at a breaking point.
Speaker: And it's just like, that's not healthy for nobody, man.
Speaker: At the end of the day, if you want relief, you have to be authentic.
Speaker: People can show up for you.
Speaker: And that's another thing that I used to always say, like, you can never be surprised unless you become vulnerable.
Speaker: Sometimes people are like, man, I'm not going to say this because I know how they're going to react.
Speaker: People can surprise you when you're vulnerable.
Speaker: You're always going to have that same perception if you're not willing to be vulnerable.
Speaker: In the moments where I will be vulnerable, just say the truth, just say, man, this is how I'm feeling.
Speaker: I will always be surprised.
Speaker: It will always go left when I thought it was going to go the other way.
Speaker: Or I would always go right when I thought it was going to go left.
Speaker: And it's just like...
Speaker: Wow, I love you even more because I was vulnerable.
Speaker: And instead of doing what I thought you was going, it's a completely different way.
Speaker: And it's just like, oh, I'm relieved now.
Speaker: But imagine if I just wanted to be seen as the stoic guy.
Speaker: Relief is never going to come unless I'm honest, unless I'm vulnerable.
Speaker: Once I'm vulnerable in everything in my life, even at work, you know, when I'm doing my work and it's just like they want me to produce X amount of energy.
Speaker: And it's just like, yo, my granny just died last week.
Speaker: When I'm vulnerable, the relief comes.
Speaker: Now you can understand why the product is this.
Speaker: Now you can understand this.
Speaker: And I'm not here to make excuses, but at the end of the day, vulnerability makes everything make sense.
Speaker: Because my lack of production might look like disrespect.
Speaker: My lack of production might look like I don't love it anymore.
Speaker: But at the end of the day, I'm going through something.
Speaker: So when I'm vulnerable, it allows me to be relieved from what you expect of me.
Speaker: And what I feel the anxiety of what the world expects of me.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: Like vulnerability just lets the weight go.
Speaker: It's a superpower and it allows others to learn compassion and grace for others.
Speaker: And at the time of this, two days ago, I had a buddy of my childhood friend, man, hit me up.
Speaker: You know, I'm going to FaceTime running.
Speaker: Not going to face.
Speaker: I'm going to hit you back in like 10 steps.
Speaker: Bro, we're up.
Speaker: He like, you know, put his hand on his face.
Speaker: He no body language.
Speaker: Man, I just got a summons on my door, man.
Speaker: Talking about, you know, I'm a month and a half behind on my rent.
Speaker: Cut my gas and electric off.
Speaker: I said, okay, that's what's up.
Speaker: I said, what's going on?
Speaker: Talk to me.
Speaker: I don't know, bro.
Speaker: I just said, let me tell you something, man.
Speaker: I said, I'm your friend, right?
Speaker: What you need?
Speaker: Tell me the numbers.
Speaker: I said, I got you.
Speaker: And I said, hey, what?
Speaker: Look, I'm your friend.
Speaker: You can't call me and ask me for help.
Speaker: Then why are we friends?
Speaker: I know you since I was 10.
Speaker: So what I did was I went on FaceTime.
Speaker: I FaceTime all out child and friend.
Speaker: Hey, yo, hey, bro.
Speaker: You need some money.
Speaker: Send him some money.
Speaker: And I said, hey, next time I'll ever be afraid to ask.
Speaker: I said, don't let your pride kill you.
Speaker: Be vulnerable.
Speaker: He started crying.
Speaker: I said, cry.
Speaker: I said, yeah, that's what it's about.
Speaker: That's what we need.
Speaker: So then I called some other people.
Speaker: I said, hey, cash app him.
Speaker: Called him the next day.
Speaker: I said, man, how you feel?
Speaker: I said, your light's back on.
Speaker: I said, feel good, right?
Speaker: I said, feel good to get support.
Speaker: Yeah, man, it's just feel good to talk to someone when you're going through it.
Speaker: I said, man, don't ever let money or bill take you out of who you are.
Speaker: This life is made up.
Speaker: It's assimilation.
Speaker: Don't give it too much power, man.
Speaker: I said, what's the worst going to happen?
Speaker: You got to go back home?
Speaker: You still got your light?
Speaker: So again, because he was vulnerable and he could trust, I wasn't going to judge him.
Speaker: He got relief and everything I took him care of.
Speaker: All because he opened his mouth.
Speaker: And he had a nice listen.
Speaker: He said, bro, we're from B-Mobile.
Speaker: Everybody in the neighborhood grows up with that mentality of stoic.
Speaker: Be stoic.
Speaker: I'm good.
Speaker: You ain't good right now, bro.
Speaker: So guess what?
Speaker: It's right.
Speaker: I think it's good for people not to see you not good because it's time for them to help.
Speaker: It's time to see who they are.
Speaker: And I said, guess what?
Speaker: I'm good.
Speaker: I said, so you're going to always remember.
Speaker: I said, sometimes you need a breakdown.
Speaker: I have a breakthrough.
Speaker: And I said, this is your breakdown.
Speaker: But you need it because if you don't have it, you can't grow.
Speaker: Well, to go back to what you were saying, he had relief because I made him feel comfortable letting it out.
Speaker: Let it out.
Speaker: What else do you need?
Speaker: You good?
Speaker: You got some food?
Speaker: I said, bro, I've done that before.
Speaker: Never done that.
Speaker: And so at the end of the day, this is why these conversations are valuable.
Speaker: And we need to have these meaningful conversations because we got to get out of this space where I'm good, I'm good, when we really not.
Speaker: We tell a person, hey, I'm not good today, man.
Speaker: Can we cancel the podcast interview?
Speaker: No problem, bro.
Speaker: Get your rest.
Speaker: I'll let you know the time.
Speaker: And your shoulder strap.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: So, you know, you're a life speaker, bro.
Speaker: You speak life.
Speaker: And I think that right there, just those little subtle moments of authenticity with anybody will make the relationship 10 times stronger.
Speaker: Because now we know, if I know you're not going to leave yourself behind by telling me you're true, then you can never leave me behind because you never lied to yourself about how you talk to me.
Speaker: And so we got to make it okay and comfortable for us men to be like, I'm struggling, bro.
Speaker: I don't know what to do.
Speaker: Help me out.
Speaker: You know what you think?
Speaker: With no resistance, right?
Speaker: These conversations would be like, would be normal.
Speaker: We think it's a bad thing to be hurt, to have contrast, to have pain, but it's actually the best thing in your life.
Speaker: Because if you go back to the Big Bang Theory, all that was was light.
Speaker: And we wanted some darkness to experience light.
Speaker: Right?
Speaker: What's the relationship if you don't have contrast, if you don't have challenge, if you don't have disputes, if you don't have... I told people a relationship is not shared space.
Speaker: A relationship is shared truth.
Speaker: A real relationship when we're sharing our truth.
Speaker: Right?
Speaker: Then we can grow up.
Speaker: But if we're not bringing, like you said, my real self to it, I can't sustain the greater potential of it because I'm not coming with the truth.
Speaker: I'm coming with the half truth, but I'm really not.
Speaker: So I think speaking to your point of the relief comes from honesty.
Speaker: The relief comes from where you at.
Speaker: I don't got to fake it no more for who?
Speaker: He was like holding him.
Speaker: Buddy was holding back his cry.
Speaker: I said, man, what you holding him back for?
Speaker: Man, what you trying to hold him back for?
Speaker: That's me.
Speaker: I'm your boy.
Speaker: Let him out.
Speaker: Let him slow.
Speaker: You're going to feel better.
Speaker: I said, feel good, right?
Speaker: To cry.
Speaker: I said, man, that makes you a man, bro.
Speaker: You cry with no resistance, that makes you a man.
Speaker: Oh, the man makes you a boy.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I don't know that it's the other way around.
Speaker: You know, why are we thinking so much killing in the inner cities and from our peoples?
Speaker: Because there's no sympathy for being real.
Speaker: Like I'm hurting Peaky because I'm hurt and I don't know how to be hurt and voice it.
Speaker: So I want to move into the topic of, you know, the state of the black culture, the urban community, the paradigm of our, what we raised.
Speaker: What is your ideology of it or where do you see it being right now?
Speaker: I mean, you speak a lot on different topics.
Speaker: Well, where do you see as far as it's collective of where we at, to where we can go and what you think is happening or what could happen to make things greater in the future for everyone?
Speaker: It's a big question.
Speaker: It's layers to it.
Speaker: So it isn't one answer because it's completely different worlds.
Speaker: It's multiple worlds that exist in every community.
Speaker: In this world, there's multiple worlds.
Speaker: But in the black community specifically, there's multiple worlds.
Speaker: And in a lot of other communities that I've interacted with, it's multiple different worlds.
Speaker: In the black community, you have an affluent black community.
Speaker: That's a whole world that's worried about
Speaker: creating generational wealth and putting a foothold that can keep us out of the underworld that we grew up in.
Speaker: So we're trying to stay out of the underworld.
Speaker: So some people graduate and come out of the underworld and get into the higher upper class of society, and they don't want to go back down to where they come from or experience that, which rightfully so, right?
Speaker: So
Speaker: I would say there's a large portion of that, large portion of financial literacy that's been floating around, large portion of financial talk, you know, that sips into the relationships.
Speaker: Nobody wants to be, you know, impoverished or a part of the lower class or whatever the case may be.
Speaker: So that seeps into the relationship dynamics that we see on social media, which I don't really think is realistic.
Speaker: For a lot of people, I don't even think most relationships even have those different conversations for real.
Speaker: Like, man, regular people getting with regular people and loving each other to the best of their ability.
Speaker: I believe 90% of our community is doing that.
Speaker: It's another 10% who is just, you know, on social media, on podcast, or actually is living that life in real life.
Speaker: And God bless them.
Speaker: Then there is, like I said, the underworld.
Speaker: or the lower class of our community who are experiencing, on a day-to-day basis, they're experiencing the war zone, right?
Speaker: And the crazy thing about this is even the people in the upper class have experienced the war zone, and they're experiencing the PTSD of the war zone.
Speaker: The people in the trenches are
Speaker: are experiencing the constant stimulation of the war zone.
Speaker: So they haven't even got to the point where they make it out and then they have to see a therapist.
Speaker: So they make it out and then they're seeing it come out in their relationship to the point where you're a six-figure, seven-figure earner, but you're spazzing out at home or you spaz out at work.
Speaker: Will Smith at the Oscars, which is just an example of something that's happening a larger scale on a smaller level, you know what I'm saying, in smaller spaces of people who come from environments where their dad might have put their hands on their mom.
Speaker: So now you trigger in a way to make some type of reaction because of what you experienced in the underworld in that war zone.
Speaker: So I interact with those in the underworld in the war zone very often because I worked at
Speaker: My old high school mentoring a lot of young boys.
Speaker: So a lot of them, even though I don't work at the high school anymore, I still keep in contact with.
Speaker: I still see them on a weekly basis.
Speaker: I still take them out to have lunch.
Speaker: I still take them out to have dinner.
Speaker: I still, you know, pick them up to go to the park and shoot hoops and just stay constantly engaged in their life.
Speaker: We had a core group of maybe six boys who started summer camp with us.
Speaker: And then as we graduated and started working during the school year, because we used to just do the summer camp only during the summer, the group got larger.
Speaker: But that core group of six, I always stay in contact with them.
Speaker: And those who I interact with or I see around or reach out to me, I'll interact with them.
Speaker: But my core group, I keep in contact with them.
Speaker: So I know what's going on in our community.
Speaker: I live in the community, so I understand what's going on.
Speaker: And I
Speaker: It's just like that's a completely different world.
Speaker: We're not worried about high-value men.
Speaker: They're worried about getting another meal.
Speaker: They're worried about something that happened to them with somebody.
Speaker: It's so much trauma going on in these households, man.
Speaker: Just, uh...
Speaker: All types of stuff going on in the household, family trauma, just the struggles of as a young man trying to battle seeing your mom break down and seeing your mom not be able to provide for herself and the family the way she wants to.
Speaker: And now you're faced with energy inside of you that says, I got to fix that problem by any means.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: You might not be old enough to get the job you want, or maybe you can only get a summer job and it's the middle of the winter.
Speaker: And it's an energy in you that's boiling up for you to do something.
Speaker: So now you hitting me or you hitting somebody.
Speaker: And now we can't even help you the way that we want to help you.
Speaker: So now it's an energy that's pulling on you.
Speaker: Nobody can help me.
Speaker: Nobody.
Speaker: So now the energy got to go somewhere.
Speaker: So now we walking through downtown at night.
Speaker: Just, man, it's going to now we crying.
Speaker: Now we releasing.
Speaker: And it's just like, listen, bro, whatever you need, man, I'm going to help you to the best of my ability.
Speaker: I was there.
Speaker: I was where you were.
Speaker: I was where you are right now.
Speaker: I was there so I understand it.
Speaker: You just want to explode.
Speaker: You just want to destroy something.
Speaker: You just want to take because you feel like the world that you was brought in, you feel like you had done so wrong.
Speaker: You didn't choose this life.
Speaker: Why wasn't we born with all these resources?
Speaker: This makes no sense.
Speaker: This is not fair.
Speaker: My brother is not fair.
Speaker: It isn't fair.
Speaker: But at the end of the day, we can do to make it to another day because the blessing is tomorrow.
Speaker: We don't know what tomorrow comes with.
Speaker: And I always tell them that.
Speaker: I always tell the young boys, man, we never know what tomorrow comes with.
Speaker: My life changes it by the day.
Speaker: By the day, opportunities hit me, man.
Speaker: I connect with people every day and it's just like, yo, the next day I'm in California doing something.
Speaker: It changes every day.
Speaker: My brother, you don't know what can happen.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: By the day.
Speaker: So as far as the black community, it's so many different worlds.
Speaker: And the world that I live in is the world that I want to add and contribute to and help and build up.
Speaker: Everybody can worry about that other, but I'm in the underworld.
Speaker: I'm working with the students and I'm working with the young men and I'm working with the community to build those who have the anxiety, to build those who have the low self-esteem, the lack of vision.
Speaker: Right.
Speaker: And the reason I'm doing that is because that is my life's work.
Speaker: That is my passion.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: And that's why I speak in the way that I speak.
Speaker: It's funny because a lot of people who watch my videos and stuff, they might not know that I can speak in a more concise and precise way.
Speaker: Kind of like the way I write, you know, but I've trained myself to speak in a way that is receptive to my community.
Speaker: I don't want to speak in a way where I'm just using so many big words.
Speaker: And it's just so if you watch certain interviews, I might do that at times.
Speaker: And I do it at times unconsciously.
Speaker: It's just the way our vocabularies are built.
Speaker: But I try to speak in a way that can touch my people.
Speaker: That's one thing that Spank used to always tell me.
Speaker: But he like, bro, because the first couple episodes, I was just real like in like my box.
Speaker: He just brought, bro, you got to be you, man.
Speaker: You feel like you got to be you.
Speaker: And when I started doing that, I feel like we hit another gear because he's just like, bro, you can't be afraid of.
Speaker: the community that you come from, you know, because I come from the Muslim community from, you know, Islam.
Speaker: So it's just like certain things you can't say certain things.
Speaker: So it's just like, he's just like, bro, you just got to speak in a way that the people can understand.
Speaker: You know your truth.
Speaker: You know your heart.
Speaker: You know your intentions.
Speaker: So,
Speaker: Yeah, but we doing good.
Speaker: I don't know if you put it out on your page.
Speaker: Someone had it.
Speaker: I think it was, is it Nuzi Muhammad?
Speaker: He's from the nation.
Speaker: I'm getting it right.
Speaker: Nuri.
Speaker: Yeah, Nuri.
Speaker: So he put out a video that somebody else shared, and it was the Obama effect.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: Obama said they had a bunch of kids before he was elected to take a test.
Speaker: 80% of the children failed.
Speaker: After Obama was elected, 80% of the people who took the test again passed.
Speaker: And so basically his nursing was saying that it wasn't about that they learned anything, did it?
Speaker: The representation was new.
Speaker: Therefore, they had confidence that they could do more and better because they can see it.
Speaker: Most times where we come from, people go off what they see, not what they know.
Speaker: So I've always anchored myself in, okay, I'm going to be it.
Speaker: So my nephews and people looking up know they can do it.
Speaker: When I didn't go pro in ball, I told you this before, I had to go pro in life.
Speaker: And so the books, the podcast, the conversation, articulation, the code switching, the slang, however you want to do it, however you want to show up.
Speaker: You want to argue, you want to speak low, only to show our brothers and sisters and the people that's looking up to us that you can be it.
Speaker: You don't always have to do it to be.
Speaker: You can just be it and then you do it.
Speaker: But I think when we talked about passion, like you say, you're passionate about the world.
Speaker: You're in the underworld helping the people is because that's your passion.
Speaker: And most times in our community, we put the money before the passion.
Speaker: So then if the money comes before the passion, we try to get the money, they come back to the passion.
Speaker: But then we lost the passion from the passion because we got the money.
Speaker: We make the passion, the intention, the money will follow the passion.
Speaker: What we get so fixated on having the bag that the bag dilutes the passion when we get it because we lost touch of what the passion was.
Speaker: Right?
Speaker: Because we numbed ourselves.
Speaker: But if you keep the passion where the passion is and you give it the love, like you said when it's in a hard place, you keep loving this passion.
Speaker: Guess what?
Speaker: The money, the real money will come and then the money will be authentic money.
Speaker: It's not going to be fake, real money.
Speaker: Get what I'm saying?
Speaker: The money now you want to come spend it with us, but we don't even respect your money anymore because your passion left your soul.
Speaker: Sometimes life gets that way and it's not bad.
Speaker: It's just real.
Speaker: We got to kind of recalibrate or come back.
Speaker: Say, hold on, let me get my feet back in the ground.
Speaker: Sometimes I got to leave LA, go back to be more to get back in the energy.
Speaker: I got to remind myself where I've come from.
Speaker: I don't forget to get it twisted.
Speaker: I know what's up.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: I know the slang.
Speaker: Yo, shorty, what up, boy?
Speaker: Like, I'm talking a certain way.
Speaker: It's a slang.
Speaker: So that brings me back into the vibration of the underworld.
Speaker: Like, yeah, we used to get chicken box from here.
Speaker: We used to get the half and half.
Speaker: We used to go to mama's and get the penny candy.
Speaker: We used to flip off, you know, monkey bars and the mattresses.
Speaker: Like, you know, like, it's real life.
Speaker: That was real life for me at one point.
Speaker: Better makes me different because and relatable because I get it.
Speaker: So I just think what you're saying is beautiful because there are so many different layers, so many different cultures.
Speaker: And here's the thing.
Speaker: Just because we black doesn't mean we grew up the same.
Speaker: Just because we black doesn't mean we think the same.
Speaker: Because sometimes our culture want to put us in a box.
Speaker: Like, no, homie, that's not my path.
Speaker: That's your path.
Speaker: My path is different.
Speaker: So my path is to go be it.
Speaker: So when you see it, you know, you can do it.
Speaker: Because most people, 80% of people going off what they see, not what they know.
Speaker: He can do it.
Speaker: I can do it.
Speaker: And so that's what I think you're doing with your content, your podcast, and just how you show up.
Speaker: Let's talk about the benefits of content creation.
Speaker: And what is content creation to you and how do you use it as a vehicle to,
Speaker: to not only feed the passion and give it passion, but to kind of evolve your passion, evolve yourself because you put out a lot of content.
Speaker: What is it for you and your life?
Speaker: Yeah, that's a great question.
Speaker: Brother Ben X is something he says, and it's something that I always understood when I started making content.
Speaker: You have to give value.
Speaker: Your content has to give value to people.
Speaker: Whether you're cooking, right, let's say a content creator or
Speaker: They cook, but they only show the finished product.
Speaker: You're not bringing value to anybody.
Speaker: You're stimulating people, but you're not bringing value.
Speaker: But if you show us how you put it together and prepared it and what you put into it, then you bring value to people because you show people how they can produce something that'll give them that same feeling in their own life.
Speaker: So I have to give value.
Speaker: So I'm not just showing a nice car, showing a nice watch.
Speaker: I'm showing.
Speaker: That's what the value of this is.
Speaker: I literally started putting out content when I was a junior in college.
Speaker: And then you guys saw me grow from a junior in college to a senior to graduate to move to Atlanta.
Speaker: to work on shows in Atlanta, move to North Carolina, continue to work shows there, move to Detroit, buy my own studio, do this, continue to do more shows, interview bigger guests.
Speaker: Just like you said, you have to see it in order to know you can be it.
Speaker: Right, right, right.
Speaker: That's what all this is about.
Speaker: That's what gave me faith to know you could go and come on a podcast and give me this.
Speaker: Because your content was like, the more I saw, the more I believed it.
Speaker: Because the more you are, the more confidence you gave me.
Speaker: That's why us in this position and anybody, if you have a passion, constantly put it out.
Speaker: Don't worry about perfecting it because perfection is not real.
Speaker: Right now in real time, you and I are on the podcast.
Speaker: I'm on Zoom.
Speaker: You on Zoom.
Speaker: I'm on a Mac or whatever.
Speaker: We're not on social media right now.
Speaker: This is real life.
Speaker: This is the real.
Speaker: And it's beautiful because we got to do more of this.
Speaker: We got to connect in the moment.
Speaker: We can't worry about how it look or how it come out because that's not authentic.
Speaker: Authenticity is...
Speaker: What you think?
Speaker: Not how you should think because of who's going to see it.
Speaker: Like your boy was saying, you got to be you.
Speaker: And it's beautiful because your content has reached so many people that you inspire so much change in people that you don't even know.
Speaker: That's why I said the fact that you said that brother Ben X, I'll tell you like, you know, you can't just show people the finished process of the food.
Speaker: What's the ingredients?
Speaker: What it took to get the groceries and how did you cook it?
Speaker: What type of environment were you in?
Speaker: Was it hot in the kitchen?
Speaker: Like, you know what I mean?
Speaker: Give me the whole thing.
Speaker: Give me the whole setup.
Speaker: And value is always needed in the world that we live in because sometimes, you know, the value can be distorted.
Speaker: You know, especially if you ain't in a line or what they're saying.
Speaker: Like, you can hear people talk, but it's not catching you because the frequency behind it's not real.
Speaker: It's ingenuine.
Speaker: It's only to get some likes and some comments or some reaction.
Speaker: It's not authentic.
Speaker: It's just for that moment because I want this attention, right?
Speaker: So, you know, they always say some people don't want help.
Speaker: They just want attention.
Speaker: That's what social media does sometimes unconsciously to all of us.
Speaker: I mean, I've used it for that.
Speaker: I want it too, Che.
Speaker: But then I'm like, what am I doing?
Speaker: What am I really doing?
Speaker: And I've been on content for ages.
Speaker: But as I've grown, I realize, like, every time I pray, bro, and I pray before I wake up, I ask God to use me in such a phenomenal way.
Speaker: God allow me to post the right content at the right time that it impact the right people.
Speaker: Strengthen my vibration, strengthen my frequency that I hit and heal.
Speaker: God, work with me, work with me, work for me.
Speaker: Let's win.
Speaker: so now my content is that much enriched because I don't put some energy on it I'm not just going to my phone and like I think it should be cool let me put this quote up it's coming to me to put this quote up opposed to me thinking I should put the quote up right and
Speaker: You know, another thing I love about what you do is I can tell you a thinker.
Speaker: And I think the challenge in most people's lives is not that they're not thinking, they don't know how to think.
Speaker: What is your relationship on how to think about the content you create?
Speaker: And
Speaker: how do you get your thoughts to write?
Speaker: Where do they come from?
Speaker: Because before we got on the podcast, we talked about you dream a lot, but how do you manifest your thoughts to create content, to go viral?
Speaker: And even with something as simple as you can go to an ancestral playing page and you'll see something with
Speaker: I don't know, Denzel Washington or something.
Speaker: And I'm like, how do you know to grab that piece of content to put that music, put that 22 second, I look out.
Speaker: Where do you get that from?
Speaker: Like, who called you to do it like this and that?
Speaker: Like, how do you embody all that?
Speaker: Like, where does that ideology come from from you?
Speaker: That's another great question.
Speaker: I really can't say that I know exactly where that comes from.
Speaker: And I really, if I could, I would tell you where it comes from.
Speaker: It's just a vibration.
Speaker: That's all I can say.
Speaker: When I hear people talk, I hear music, right?
Speaker: So when I hear you talk,
Speaker: classical music is playing in my head so I know exactly the track to put on you you know I got like 10 tracks in my head my yeah my catalog of classical music is so extensive so when I hear people talk I hear music you know what I'm saying so even before our show sometimes I play a song I'll sit down before we on and I'll play a song for spanking I'll say this is the track so when you're speaking hear this
Speaker: Because I'm like, this is the track I'm going to use for our clips.
Speaker: So when you speak and speak in this energy.
Speaker: So it'll be good for me to do it in clips.
Speaker: So anytime I hear people talk, I have a soundtrack for them.
Speaker: I have a score for them.
Speaker: Oh, man, yeah, that's the one.
Speaker: He's speaking in that way.
Speaker: Oh, the energy revved up.
Speaker: I'm like, OK, I see it's coming.
Speaker: So that's just how my energy works.
Speaker: So I used to watch interviews and I'm just like, you know, we'll make this interview just another level if I could put this soundtrack in it.
Speaker: So then I just started making clips and I just started putting them out, putting them out.
Speaker: Then I came across the Agape song by Nicholas Brittle and Tracy Ellis Ross had posted it or she had reposted a post of this black couple kissing.
Speaker: And this is like years ago, like five, six years ago.
Speaker: And I remember I heard the song for the first time and I was like, yo, that is probably the greatest song I've ever heard in my life.
Speaker: I'm like, yo, I got to just put the song in my clips that I'm putting out.
Speaker: When I started doing that, skyrocket.
Speaker: Not only did I make that song the household hit that it is, because a lot of people don't even know that.
Speaker: When I first came across that song, it was not as big as it is now.
Speaker: And one thing I always will always appreciate Wallow for is he got on Drink Champs and he was like, because Nas had sampled that score in one of his songs that he did with Lil Durk on the King Disease One, I believe.
Speaker: And he was like, man, my man Muhammad, he made that sample hot, man.
Speaker: He made that sample hot on the Ancestral Plane.
Speaker: He says it at the end of his Drink Champs interview if you go back and watch it.
Speaker: And I remember hitting him afterwards like, man, people just kept tagging me on my Instagram like, yo, man, Wallo, he shouted you out.
Speaker: And he never said that.
Speaker: He never texted me like, bro, I shouted you out.
Speaker: It was just random.
Speaker: And that just showed like when people got loved.
Speaker: It's just like they're going to do it and they ain't going to say they ain't going to even acknowledge what they did.
Speaker: And I'm just like, yo, because a lot of people have made contributions in life and they'll never get the credit for it.
Speaker: And it's not even important to get the credit for it.
Speaker: You know what I'm saying?
Speaker: Because it's not my score or my music.
Speaker: But I definitely have an ear for music.
Speaker: You know, it's kind of why I make music now.
Speaker: I produce music.
Speaker: I play the piano, different things like that, because I have an ear for music, you know?
Speaker: Things are coming through.
Speaker: So take it or leave it, man.
Speaker: Honestly, bro, I don't know how you feel about it because you're so creative and so tuned and tap into the cosmos, into the frequencies of music and people and speaking.
Speaker: I think this would be a great business model to market, consult a company where people pay you, they trade the videos, and they send you the videos.
Speaker: You come up with the music, where to put the music in the clip.
Speaker: And I don't know, you can do 20 videos for $3,000.
Speaker: I don't know.
Speaker: I'm just saying that's a gift, bro.
Speaker: I don't know there's a lane for that.
Speaker: You got companies that'll take your stuff and they'll add music, but they're not intentionally like the way you are.
Speaker: I'm thinking if I sent you five videos right now, out of those five, you probably can at least like two or three go viral just off of how you tuned in to what you know, right?
Speaker: Mm-hmm.
Speaker: Like some heavyweights.
Speaker: So just think about some people who trying to come up like-
Speaker: Bro, I can make that.
Speaker: Just give me 10 videos.
Speaker: Give me a trial.
Speaker: Just give me 10 videos.
Speaker: You ain't got a payment.
Speaker: If they go, let's work.
Speaker: Let's do business.
Speaker: You know what I mean?
Speaker: I just think like, because now you're really activating that gift in the spiritual realm and in the physical with people.
Speaker: Now you're giving people, it's kind of like you're giving people a haircut or you're giving them a fit for their costume or for their uniform that they're putting together.
Speaker: You get what I'm saying?
Speaker: You're really producing their content.
Speaker: You know what I mean?
Speaker: That's how you build about music when you create content.
Speaker: That's powerful.
Speaker: I didn't even know you was into music.
Speaker: That's why I'm asking the questions because I'm like, hold on.
Speaker: I'm like, what?
Speaker: You get classical music playing or someone speaking?
Speaker: Well, imagine you did that for the Tracee Ellis Ross.
Speaker: That score went crazy.
Speaker: Imagine not only you in a sitting, but everybody involved.
Speaker: And I said, now we got people on retainers.
Speaker: Now, mostly because I send, bro, 10 videos a month, bro.
Speaker: It changed my life.
Speaker: I got brand deals.
Speaker: I'm speaking all over the world.
Speaker: All because you used your gift on that gift and you amplified their spirit in the world.
Speaker: Now everyone's winning.
Speaker: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker: No, that's a real thing, bro.
Speaker: That's what I did for Rev1.
Speaker: Literally, just exactly what you said.
Speaker: Yeah, because it was like some clips.
Speaker: I think I hit you a while ago.
Speaker: I'm like, yo, can you find this video?
Speaker: Because I was actually going through this exact thing the guy was saying.
Speaker: The music behind him was pulling me.
Speaker: And so I get into like, not the antics, but like, you know how you got beats?
Speaker: the music or the instruments behind the beat.
Speaker: There's something before that.
Speaker: We trade energy before we create something.
Speaker: Keep the energy so you don't respect it.
Speaker: I just think, yeah, man, that gift, bro.
Speaker: You got to exercise that, man.
Speaker: Even with some of your homies, I mean...
Speaker: Because I'm curious.
Speaker: If I just send you five videos, see what you think.
Speaker: But yeah, I'm blown away, man.
Speaker: But that's why I wanted to tap into your thinking, how you think.
Speaker: Now it makes sense.
Speaker: Yo, your page got 400,000 followers, bro.
Speaker: Almost, yeah.
Speaker: You got 400,000 followers on Ancestral Plane.
Speaker: That's your Instagram page.
Speaker: You created that with your energy and your aura.
Speaker: You got 20,000 on your page.
Speaker: So clearly you're doing something, right?
Speaker: It's not easy to just build pages, but this is all per your gifts and what you know.
Speaker: So, you know, I know it's late on your end, man.
Speaker: I don't want to take too much of your time.
Speaker: Is there anything else you want to add or anything you want to say?
Speaker: Anything you got coming up?
Speaker: We can find you.
Speaker: We can connect.
Speaker: Like, how do we get in your vibration and your frequency so we can just benefit from your gospel, man, of your course, of who you are?
Speaker: Like, I feel like you have a music.
Speaker: What is the thing you have at all?
Speaker: Symphony, yeah, orchestra.
Speaker: Like, you have that in your vibration.
Speaker: So, like, when you create content, it's like it's doing something to people's, like, energy like this.
Speaker: And people get more inspired by it.
Speaker: And I appreciate it.
Speaker: But how can we connect with you?
Speaker: How can we get into your frequency to learn more, build more and, you know, be of service to you?
Speaker: First and foremost, I appreciate you having me on, bro.
Speaker: This has been a powerful conversation, man.
Speaker: And every time we connect, bro, it always does something for my soul, bro.
Speaker: I feel lighter, man.
Speaker: I feel energized.
Speaker: I feel better, bro.
Speaker: And it's exactly like what you said, man.
Speaker: I feel like you was in my soul group, bro, as soon as we connected.
Speaker: I'm just like, bro, this brother is genuine, man.
Speaker: And he always just gives good energy.
Speaker: He always gives value.
Speaker: He's just an uplifter of people, bro.
Speaker: I really appreciate you, man.
Speaker: You have no idea, man.
Speaker: You are one of the people that I'm glad I connected with.
Speaker: And it's just like, man, I know we're going to continue to build, you know what I'm saying, as time goes, man, because I want us to be able to elevate and shed light on the people together, you know what I'm saying?
Speaker: Bro, it's just so much that we're going to do, bro.
Speaker: I can see it, man.
Speaker: We're going to be on stages.
Speaker: We're going to be on stages.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: Selling out arenas.
Speaker: You're reading my mind, bro.
Speaker: I didn't put together certain events, speaking events.
Speaker: And I'm just like, now that I think about it, I'm like, bro, I should have had you at that event.
Speaker: When I was working for the nonprofit, I would do different speakers.
Speaker: Then I'll fly people out and stuff like that.
Speaker: But yeah, bro, we're going to do great things, man.
Speaker: But in terms of following me, man, you can follow me on Instagram and on Twitter at underscore Ahmad, A-H-M-A-D, The Poet.
Speaker: Or you can follow us on Instagram at BRTheMachine or on Twitter at BRTheMachine.
Speaker: You know, watch the podcast Breaking the Machine.
Speaker: That's where you're going to get the majority of the information and just great conversations that I have with my cold spank.
Speaker: Man, some of the greatest conversations, man, you'll ever hear.
Speaker: Breaking the Machine podcast, man.
Speaker: Go check that out, man.
Speaker: But yeah, man, as far as me, bro, like I said, man, I'm really just trying to sharpen myself and strengthen myself for this next phase of my journey.
Speaker: And I'm really excited for people to continue to walk with me on my journey, man.
Speaker: I'm really looking forward to upgrading my content on Instagram.
Speaker: in terms of buying a better camera and stuff like that.
Speaker: I started to edit more intensely so I can give the people the content that's been in my mind for a while.
Speaker: I've been working on a book for a while.
Speaker: I've been talking about it on the podcast for a long time.
Speaker: And one of the biggest reasons I pivoted into producing because I want to produce the soundtrack for the audio book.
Speaker: I want it to be like an audio series and I want to narrate it.
Speaker: And I
Speaker: You can work something out, man.
Speaker: I would love to do some spoken word or like, so I don't know, but I feel like you can help me produce that when it's time to come out.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: No, absolutely, bro.
Speaker: Like, that's just what I'm focused on.
Speaker: So when this series come out and I've been teasing it on Breaking the Machine, it's a self-help book that I'm putting out.
Speaker: And then it's also going to be a murder mystery that I'm going to put out.
Speaker: based on a real crime that took place in my city.
Speaker: It was a serial stabbing that took place in my city.
Speaker: It's well known in the city, but not around the world.
Speaker: 14 black boys were stabbed.
Speaker: So it was targeted on black boys.
Speaker: And it's a story that's not very well known.
Speaker: It happened while I was in middle school.
Speaker: So I live the experience.
Speaker: I'll be a part of the story, not in the same name, but my writing prowess and my skills is going to be enhanced in this story.
Speaker: The way I narrate the story, I should send you a sample of it.
Speaker: You'd be like, yo, from the music to the narration.
Speaker: I don't know if you've ever watched Riverdale.
Speaker: But I really love the way I believe it's Cole Spruce or either him or Dylan, his brother Dylan, the way they narrate the show.
Speaker: I narrate my book in that way, in a similar ilk.
Speaker: It's just beautiful, man.
Speaker: So I want to be able to narrate it.
Speaker: I want to be able to produce it.
Speaker: And I just want when you're listening to it at night or in the morning, it just it feels like you're immersed in an audio movie.
Speaker: And it's just the beautiful, greatest thing you've ever heard, man.
Speaker: So, yeah, man, be on the lookout for that, man.
Speaker: But.
Speaker: More than anything, man, just be calm in your spirit and just know that it's going to be all right and that your brothers and sisters is in this thing with you, man.
Speaker: Yeah.
Speaker: And it's beautiful, man.
Speaker: And I love that.
Speaker: And before we end, I want to end with your favorite quotes that I came on today.
Speaker: And I'm going to say it.
Speaker: So people listen, tune in, tap in.
Speaker: He know.
Speaker: Here it is.
Speaker: God will make you untouchable, untouchable when you're doing his work until your purpose is served.
Speaker: No man or woman can stop you.
Speaker: Say that again.
Speaker: This is from Ahmad the Poet.
Speaker: Go follow him, underscore Ahmad the Poet on Twitter and Instagram.
Speaker: God will make you untouchable when you're doing his work until your purpose is served.
Speaker: No man or woman can stop forever and ever.
Speaker: Amala the Poet, thank you for being on Bigger Talks Podcast.
Speaker: Shout out to Simplify Impact, my marketing group who takes to all my content creation on YouTube, Instagram, and by the way, get your It's Miracle Season buddy at itsmiracleseason.co.
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Speaker: You guys be great.
Speaker: Follow Ahmad the poet.
Speaker: He's incredible.
Speaker: He's a beautiful, beautiful soul.
Speaker: He's here changing lives with his vibration, his vibradium.
Speaker: Check out his podcast and just do the work and it will work.
Speaker: So it is.
Speaker: More and more.
Speaker: Ahmad, thank you.
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