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Episode 115: Good Boys
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This week the boys are chatting The Greatest Wrestling Match Ever! The second half of the ep they've included a bonus zone watch-a-long for Will Osprey, Ricochet, and Matt Sydal vs The Young Bucks and Adam Cole at PWG's Bola 2016!
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Transcript
Introduction and Manifesting Success
00:00:36
Speaker
Hey, everybody. Welcome to Predetermined. I'm your host, Garrett Callender. I'm your host, Derek Halpin. And this is the best podcast ever of all time. Yeah, like you lucked out. I don't know how you found us on the how long you've been listening to us, but we've officially been awarded the best podcast of all time.
00:00:55
Speaker
You just gotta say it and then hope to fuck it's true. I mean, isn't there like a whole philosophy about willing things into existence? Isn't that what Jim Carrey did? Like his career or a specific thing? Like he willed the majestic into reality.
00:01:12
Speaker
I mean, I'm sure there's some projects that he willed into reality. But I know for a fact that there's a story about him writing a check to himself for like millions of dollars before he did Ace Ventura. And then within a few movies, he was able to actually cash that check if he had wanted to. And he ended up putting the check in his grandfather's grave. This is a weird place to start this podcast as me justifying
00:01:37
Speaker
the career of Jim Carrey by his his power of will and mind. But yes, we are willing this into existence. This is the greatest podcast out there that you could possibly be listening to.
Personal Anecdotes and Apologies
00:01:53
Speaker
And we are thankful that you that you clicked play. And now you're listening to us. Some good old boys.
00:02:00
Speaker
Are we? Are we? We might be. I think we are good boys. Yeah, we're not good old boys. We're just good boys. We're just some good boys. Yeah. I mean, once again, maybe I'm saying something that I'm trying to will into reality that I'm a good boy. No, I think we're some good boys. I think that's fair. Good morals. I got some feedback. Apparently, people are not comfortable with the fact that I am a dry sandwich boy.
00:02:29
Speaker
People don't like that. I'm gonna argue that I think it's weird that you want moisture shooting into my mouth when I bite into a sandwich. I think that's more strange. Don't need a dry sandwich. What is the drink there for? I guess to wet your whistle. Yeah, I don't need fucking mayo and I don't need miracle whip. I have a beverage and it works just fine, because I'm a good boy.
00:02:58
Speaker
Is that a claw? That is a claw, Derek. Just because we're recording a little earlier than usual doesn't mean that there shouldn't be at least one claw in this recording. I feel a little guilty. I was drinking a beer just a moment ago, but I'm done and I don't have one. Do you want me to go grab one? I mean, if you would like one, you can. I do. I feel like I need to apologize to you. I had quite a bit to drink on the last show and I don't know how it went from there. Why do you have to apologize to me? You didn't affect me in any negative way.
00:03:28
Speaker
Okay, yeah, as long as it didn't bother you. Did you get sick? No, no, no, no, I didn't get sick. Did you have a good time? I had a great time, but I heard we gave some bad advice as far as relationships go. I don't know that we did. I'm not gonna tell you that we gave great advice, but I mean, other than jokingly saying that somebody should beat somebody's ass, which is when you write into a pro wrestling podcast, the greatest podcast in the world,
00:03:56
Speaker
and you ask for relationship advice, of course we're gonna tell you to beat somebody's ass. It's part of the deal, right? I don't know if that was the booze talking or if that was the real advice I'm giving, but I wonder if somebody got their ass beat because of us.
00:04:12
Speaker
I don't know. I have not heard back from the person who submitted the question on relationship advice. I have reached out in multiple ways and have yet to hear back. I will say that I did try to sneak in some real advice. I hope there's progress there. I hope it doesn't get hostile. Are you comfortable giving people relationship advice, Garrett, of any kind?
00:04:39
Speaker
I think so. I mean, I'm not like, I wouldn't say I... Well, where was that guy last week? Because if there's one thing the white claw takes away from you in that case, it is your ability to give sound relationship advice. I didn't hear a tidbit of, you should just sit down and talk it out, or maybe you should write a letter.
00:05:01
Speaker
and mail it to your roommate so he finds it and then then you can sit down and talk it out okay lance flowers that's what i think flowers and a note to your roommate yeah a note that says hey let's have a chat the flowers are just a nice gift they are a nice gift
00:05:21
Speaker
You think boys should be getting other boys flowers more often? I did it to my last boss just because I knew it would make him uncomfortable. That's fucking amazing. So on my lunch break I found out it was his birthday. I went bought a dozen roses and came back and sat them on his desk and wished him a happy birthday. That was a very kind gesture here. We are some good boys.
00:05:47
Speaker
So for the longest time, AJ Styles referred to Gals and Anderson as some good brothers. And I'm pretty sure the honky tonk crowd refers to each other as the good old boys. We're just some good boys. We're somewhere in between. Yeah, thanks for joining the good boys. The good boys of predetermined.
WWE Fallout and Hyped Matches
00:06:07
Speaker
And last night. Speaking of AJ Styles, can we talk about the fact that there's news out of
00:06:13
Speaker
WWE that I mean this is coming on the heels of Paul Heyman being fired as the head of creative for Monday Night Raw. But apparently the reason AJ Styles got switched over to Smackdown is he had a falling out with Paul Heyman really for realsies.
00:06:31
Speaker
over anything in particular or do we know? So what I have heard and cannot confirm because, you know, we don't have an inside scoop. I'm me. I wish we had an inside scoop. We're just more powerful. We would be we would be two good boys with the inside scoop and people would fucking believe us. But now we're just two good boys and that's it.
00:06:53
Speaker
Two good boys that give mediocre relationship advice and have a pro wrestling podcast. Supposedly, Paul Heyman could have convinced McMahon not to let Luke Gallows and Carl Anderson go.
00:07:10
Speaker
when they did their cuts a while back. And Heyman had kind of some influence. And he gave the, nah, let him go, get him the fuck out of here. And Stiles found out about that and was basically like, what the fuck, dog? Fuck this, I hate this place. And then they were like, cool, we're doing this intercontinental title tournament over on the other show. Hey, trades exist. So Paul Heyman eventually gets fired as the fall guy, as was expected.
00:07:38
Speaker
You know that announcement about the Heyman Bischoff stuff was under a year ago. Was it really? It was. It was like middle of the summer. So the way that it was right now, Heyman was on Raw and was Pritchard on SmackDown? Yes, up until a few days ago. And now he's just both. And now Bruce Pritchard is both. So that Seamus PP story that we were on on SmackDown, we could be getting on both shows?
00:08:06
Speaker
Think of all the wonderful things that have happened on Smackdown. There's the Jeff Hardy DUI thing. There's Roman Reigns getting covered in dog food. I mean, just quality storylines. Look, I like my wrestlers to get a little stuff on them. So yeah, so that's here's the thing. I'm here in reports that we could see a return of the wild card role.
00:08:36
Speaker
the the you mean aka just fuck it yeah the the fuck it rule whereas oh no the fucking ratings aren't where i would like them to be during a pandemic let's just have all my favorite people show up on both shows
00:08:50
Speaker
But for some reason, we have two times as many titles as we need, considering the size of the fucking roster. God damn it. Okay, so maybe WWE has some areas they need to work on. No shit. But last night, you and I, because we're recording on a Monday, so, you know. Do they need to know that? I don't know. Maybe they like it. Maybe they do. I don't know what information they want.
00:09:21
Speaker
That's why we are where we are listeners. We're two two plus years into doing this. We're like, what do they want? What would they like to know? They want to know what kind of topping you want on your pizza. They want to know what kind of filling you want in your sandwich. And they want to know what day are we fucking recording on? It's Monday afternoon. Settle in. We're going to talk some greatest wrestling match that ever happened.
00:09:49
Speaker
Yeah, I went into that thing very ready to hate it. Is that a bad look? Is that a bad way to go into something? They hyped it. They hyped it too much. Well, I mean, there's multiple ways to go about talking about this match. Number one, there was no doubt in my mind that you were going into that match wanting to hate it. You specifically.
00:10:16
Speaker
Yeah, I was really like, we're going to get some 1995 WCW bullshit out of this match. You had your fist on your hip in a defiant pose thinking, I watched New Japan Pro Wrestling. There is no way that this is going to be the greatest wrestling match that I've ever seen. And you adjusted your monocle and you watched.
00:10:39
Speaker
I thought from the beginning that it was fucking ridiculous that they were billing this as the greatest wrestling match ever. First of all, what was actually the most impressive thing is that they acknowledged that it's a wrestling match, that Vince allowed that to happen. That's all I could think about, because they had it posted everywhere, greatest wrestling match ever, as they were doing it. Match hadn't even happened yet, and it's being advertised. Yeah, that also included Randy Orton.
00:11:09
Speaker
Which is, okay, so that's a double-edged sword because I will say, for certain, Randy Orton is a great wrestler. When he wants to go, he can go. When he wants to have a great match, he can have a great match. I will tell you for certain that when that match started last night at Backlash, I saw Charles Robinson wearing the old school WCW referee uniform, and I said, well, there it is, they did it. Greatest wrestling match ever.
00:11:39
Speaker
Why are the fucking rafts not wearing the light blue button down with little black bow tie every night? Why was he wearing that? Because it was the greatest wrestling match ever, Garrett! You gotta get dressed up for the occasion. Should've broke out a fucking cummerbund.
00:11:57
Speaker
I should have put one on. Honestly, I'm a little upset I didn't put on a suit. No. So here's the way to look at this. It's not edge and unless there's some other story I don't know about, it's not edge and Orton's fault that WWE decided to build. This is the greatest wrestling match ever, unless
00:12:18
Speaker
in order to get himself back in like where he had pressure on himself to perform and live up to the expectations. Unless they decided to call it this to put all that pressure on themselves so they deliver. It's not their fault. WWE decided to do this. They thought like, no, there's no way this would possibly ever backfire. And if you're looking at it objectively, if you just take away the marketing of the match itself, damn good match. It was very good.
00:12:48
Speaker
It was fan-fucking-tastic.
Wrestling Match Editing and Authenticity
00:12:52
Speaker
But I was expecting, going in, I'm expecting it to not be great, and I'm expecting Randy Orton to believe it was the greatest match of all time, regardless. What signature qualities from a Randy Orton match were you expecting in this? Headlocks. You got headlocks. I got quite a few, because it was a 45-minute match.
00:13:14
Speaker
Yeah. But what made these ones work? What made these ones work? I think Edge in his selling. I really believe that Edge was getting his ass beat throughout that whole match. And he looked like he really wanted to win and just looked really bummed.
00:13:32
Speaker
I think, I mean, I guess you just spoiled the ending. No, I mean, throughout the entire 45 minutes, like Edge looked like he was being put to the test.
00:13:46
Speaker
I thought they did real, I mean, shit, they did such good. I mean, and given, here's the thing that taken, I don't know if you know this Garrett, so I may be shocking you. You know that they taped this, right? I did know that. And I can tell because of the crowd noise. Did you know that they did this match two or three times?
00:14:05
Speaker
I figured that they just filmed it and were cutting and having them redo stuff over and over again. But they- Apparently they worked, they had like two or three takes of this match that they pieced together. And the news coming out of the match is that Edge has a torn triceps that he got when he was doing a second or third take spot.
00:14:31
Speaker
And supposedly it's the one where he got the RKO from jumping from the top rope. OK, when he jumped up and twisted and it was an RKO. Yeah, I remember that one.
00:14:42
Speaker
Um, which is, I guess we're going to find out tonight where they're going with this. There's rumors. Christian may be there. I don't know. But, uh, this was, this match was so good for a multitude of reasons. Um, I did love the exchange of the different finishers that they had. Um, the pedigree from Orton and then the rock bottom from edge definitely caught me off guard. The angle slam. Yeah.
00:15:10
Speaker
go in for the sharpshooter. I was ready for a stone cold stunner in there. I thought we were just gonna hit all the big finishers. All the attitude error finishers. This really was a good match. And then so many times there were close ups on Edge's face. I swear to God, maybe I'm wrong on this. At one point, didn't he have Edge on like a table and did he lean down and say, I'm gonna fucking kill you or something?
00:15:36
Speaker
I've watched it twice and I don't remember that, but that's not to say that didn't happen. I swear he leans down and whispers something to him. Maybe it's not that, but it's something pretty sadistic. Does that mean Randy Orton had to blade three times?
00:15:51
Speaker
Maybe they used like the, I know sometimes they use like the blood packets, but fuck, I don't know. I hope they're like, okay, another take, wipe him down. Okay, put that blade in there. I do remember thinking after he bladed, like within a couple minutes, the blood did look dry pretty quickly. Okay, yeah, that, yeah. And yeah, the blood dried up very, very quickly on his face. And really the only other issue I had with the match was the crowd noise.
00:16:22
Speaker
Yeah, let's talk about that. I mean, how did you feel about them inserting fake reactions? I like when WWE gets to decide how many this is awesome chance and fight forever chance they get in a match. Even though the people surrounding the ring, the NXT superstars, their mouths aren't moving yet that this is awesome chance is happening.
00:16:46
Speaker
Okay, is that who was to rent was that the NXT like people like the that's like the per the performance center talent Okay, okay. I thought the crowd looked unusually attractive No, that's how it's been for weeks Like a few weeks back. They decided they're gonna start having people in attendance like AEWs had the whole time and they they've been putting the performance center stars
00:17:11
Speaker
at ringside. I think it's helped the show. The thing that's so weird about the Edge Orton match is that objectively, if the goal was to entertain and to put together a complete performance that was enjoyable, they achieved that and then some. It feels weird when it's taped several times and then crowd noise is dubbed in. They just now discovered that they could do that.
00:17:42
Speaker
I don't know, like I know that wrestling is predetermined.
00:17:47
Speaker
but that feels even amplified like when you're just fucking editing reality to that extent like kids because how like no matter how good this match is how do you hold it up against a match that you have to get right on one take that you don't get reshoots on exactly that it'll never be able to be compared to Kenny Okada because that I mean technically they did do it like three times but
00:18:12
Speaker
you know, not in one match. And I think we talked about on this before, I had heard rumors for a long time that some of the reasons that NXT takeovers are so good is because the talent get to rehearse those matches all week in the Performance Center before they take it out in front of the live crowd. That's not a bad thing though, is it?
00:18:37
Speaker
I'm not saying it's a bad thing, clearly it works, and I guess technically you know that guys get to work together and practice when they do house shows together and they build to a pay-per-view, so I don't know where the line is. I know that this is gonna be an oddball match. I mean, not that ratings or stars matter, but I mean, you went into it not expecting much, and you said you were highly entertained.
00:19:02
Speaker
So, I mean, I guess that's all that matters, right? Yeah. Last night, Leah walked by and she's like, what is this? And I explained to her as the greatest wrestling match ever. And she knew it was WWE. So she kind of was like, oh boy. And when she came back like 40 minutes later, she says, well, and I was like, and somehow it was good. Somehow.
00:19:25
Speaker
Well, and again, props to Edge and Orton. In a really weird way, I mean the whole... First of all, I loved the finish of the match with the punt being like the nail in the coffin for Edge. You mean because he won with a hashtag leg slap? The irony, right?
00:19:47
Speaker
Or is that him showing the young kids, see? You can slap your leg. This is how you do it, bitch. But make it matter. I punted that mother fucker's head off. I wonder how Randy Orton feels about Orange Cassidy. Actually, I just I should start going down a list of wrestlers that I wonder how they feel about Orange Cassidy. How does Mean Mark Callaway feel about Orange Cassidy? I bet he laughs at it. I think that Mark gets it. It's he better.
00:20:17
Speaker
What's his argument gonna be? This isn't believable. Hey, in fairness to Orange Cassidy, he stays in character just as well as Taker does. I agree. I would love to see that showdown.
00:20:33
Speaker
I hope Orange Cassidy is the one to retire Undertaker. If you've been watching the last ride series on WWE Network, I'm hoping that's what we're building towards, just finding out that that's gonna be the crossover match we didn't know we wanted. I'm not even gonna be mad when it turns out Orange Cassidy jumps ship and shows up over at WWE.
00:20:53
Speaker
if they're making him perform the same shtick him versus Roman Reigns all day all day what would what you get one take at this you don't get three chances what's Vince gonna rename Orange Cassidy when he gets to WWE Oh fuck lemon Steve
00:21:16
Speaker
Uh, I have no idea. Grapefruit Jim? Tangerine Tim.
00:21:25
Speaker
God damn. I don't know. I like that. I'm ready to see him fight Bobby Lashley, Braun Strowman, all of them. I'll tell you what you're probably more ready for, Garrett. What's that? You're more ready to see some live pro wrestling in person.
Planning a GCW Trip
00:21:40
Speaker
Oh, I can't wait. You're going to be doing that this weekend. Yes. I'm going to Indianapolis to the GCW's first show back since quarantine started.
00:21:51
Speaker
Yeah. It's going to be called. So how are the rules working for this? Like what like what do you know? How are they handling having all those people inside? Oh, it's going to be an outdoor show. So it's at a state park. Okay. It's going to be I think late afternoon. So it's going to be done before the you know, it gets dark out. They have very limited seating and the seats are going to be spaced out where only the seats that were purchased together or grouped together.
00:22:21
Speaker
And I got general admission, so I'll just be somewhere on a hill, I think. I think it's... But there's only... Can you live stream from there? Absolutely. Or can you at least record a video? I need like a panoramic shot of what the scene looks like.
00:22:41
Speaker
It's gonna be me and Teagum's fucking partying. Teagum's! He's like, Teagum's. Not anymore. We already branded you. You've been branded, my friend.
00:22:52
Speaker
What's this card look like the card when they announced just the names without matching up anybody? It looked awesome to begin with but then they started dropping some of the matches Nick Gage versus Nate Webb Shit alley cat versus Effie, which I'm very much looking forward to hope they go a little hardcore with it Blake Christian versus Myron Reed. So we're gonna get some flips and
00:23:18
Speaker
Hell yeah. Let's see, Ricky-Shane Page in one of his goons versus- Not Ricky-Shane Page. I don't love that Ricky-Shane Page doesn't put the title on the line every time like Nick Gage did. I think that's the idea, right? Yeah, and it's working. He should start listing every hour and second that he's been champion. Considering all the quarantine time that has passed, he should start counting that.
00:23:49
Speaker
Well, luckily who Ricky Shane Page is up against is Mance Warner and Matthew Justice. So we'll get to see Matthew Justice get his brain scrambled with a steel chair a little bit. And you get a little taste of Mancer. Get a little Mancer. Let's see what else we got. We got Alex Zane versus Jimmy Lloyd.
00:24:08
Speaker
your big Alex Zainmark big Alex Zainmark and what do you think do you think a show like this they're gonna be so excited to wrestle in front of people again that they're gonna be going all out or do you think we're gonna get hurt or do you or yeah the other question was do you think people are gonna be a little rusty I mean they're definitely gonna be rusty and somebody's gonna get hurt Jimmy Lloyd
00:24:32
Speaker
I mean, I'm sure Nick Gage has just been stewing to break something over somebody's head. Sorry, Nate. I am excited to sing Teenage Dirtbag again with my mask on. I want to know how many people are going to be there. I know. I want to know, too. I mean, I'm trying to decide if it's going to be 100 or less. How far is Nashville from Indianapolis? It's about a four hour drive.
00:25:01
Speaker
Not bad at all. Not for the, yeah, to be able to go see a bunch of wrestlers that I really love and get out of the house, not that bad at all. Are you leaving that morning? Yeah, I'm gonna drive there and back in a day. Well, I am assuming that that will be a primary focus of next week's episode. That, and also New Japan being back. I haven't watched the New Japan that's back yet, but trust me, I fucking miss it and I'm ready to wake up at 3 a.m.
00:25:31
Speaker
Well, I have heard nothing but good things and I'm excited that we're getting more and more stuff back. But we do have something queued up for the rest of this episode today that we promised we would deliver on. So Garrett, do you want to introduce that?
PWG Match Watch-along
00:25:45
Speaker
Yeah, we did a watch along a few months ago.
00:25:49
Speaker
right before quarantine started. We did a watch-along to one of my all-time favorite matches I've been in the room for, and I'm sure in this next thing we introduce it and everything. But it is PWG Bola 2016. Let's see, it was Osprey, Ricochet and Seidel versus Adam Cole and the Young Bucks. If you have not seen this match,
00:26:14
Speaker
It is a banger and watch it with us. It'll bring you joy during these hard times. Stick around and do a watch along with us. Where can they find this match? Is this Ring of Honor? Or not Ring of Honor. Is this Pro Wrestling TV? Is this a YouTuber?
00:26:30
Speaker
This one, we did this one on high spots. That's where we grabbed the match. But I'm sure you can find it somewhere online. We tell you the timestamp and everything once the next episode picks up. And I believe we're gonna bring you into a bonus zone. Well, that's pretty much out of us for, that's all you're getting out of us this week. Sit back and enjoy the bonus zone that we have on cue for you.
00:26:59
Speaker
Yes. Take it away. Us. B-b-b-b-bonus zone. It's another one. We're just cranking them shits out today. You've got plenty. You don't know what day this is. This is the day before AEW revolution. We are doing a lot of... That is a white claw being cracked.
00:27:19
Speaker
We are doing a lot of pro wrestling viewing and doing some watch alongs for you guys. And, uh, we're excited to have another one on tap for you today. Garrett, this is your specialty. Yeah, this I'm very excited to do. I actually couldn't remember if we'd already done one for this, but so you've never seen this man. I've never seen this match, but there's a 60 minute time limit. It's a six person tag team match with one fall from 2016 battle of Los Angeles. Who are we seeing here?
00:27:45
Speaker
This was one of my favorite pro wrestling matches I've ever been in the building for. Six Man Tag, Will Ospreay, Ricochet, and Matt Seidel on one team versus Adam Cole and the Young Bucks on the other. God damn. That is a lot. Think of the star power in this match.
00:28:02
Speaker
Like really the only person who isn't signed anywhere is Seidel unless he's still an impact. Yeah. Because he was in New Japan. I think he got arrested in Japan. This was four years ago. God. There's just thinking like how much has happened to these guys since then.
00:28:20
Speaker
Well, Ricochet has recently graduated from NXT to the main roster. Will Ospreay is killing it in New Japan. The Young Bucks are in their own fucking promotion right now as primary stars of the show and Adam Cole is basically, he's the fucking NXT champion.
00:28:38
Speaker
And yeah, I guess we don't know when this is coming out, but yeah, and you would know when we're recording this because he said it's the day before AEW revolution, not that that's even relevant to what we're doing now, but other than like some of these people are on that match.
00:28:54
Speaker
All right, so we have this queued up on the high spots network. Right now we have it queued up to two hours, three minutes, and 30 seconds. That's easy to remember. Two hours, three minutes, 30 seconds. 2016 Battle of Los Angeles. You should see a versus screen that has Will Ospreay, Ricochet, and Matt Seidel versus Adam Cole and the Young Bucks. So if you don't see that, you're at the wrong fucking part. Fix it.
00:29:24
Speaker
I'm just, this is one that you can see me standing losing my fucking full mind. Well make sure you point that out when it happens because I don't want to miss it. Oh, you'll see. I'm just, I'm excited to take you to American Legion Post 308. So where, okay, so were you living in Los Angeles at this time? I was. Was this, how long was this before you left to move to Nashville?
00:29:46
Speaker
This would have been my last Bola before I moved. So this is a special show for you. This was, this was, this was such a good- What building, what building are we talking about here? American Legion Post 308, may it rest in peace. May it rest in peace. I think it's a condo now, but all right, you got it queued up. We're going to go on three, two, one, go. Get ready. I'm so ready for you to see this one. Remind him one more time where we queued up at. You said it's on high spots.
00:30:11
Speaker
High spots network, two hours, three minutes, 30 seconds. Yep. Are you guys ready? Let's do it. Three, two, one, go. We are rolling. Got Chucky T and Ricochet on. Yeah. This already looks like a hot crowd. They're doing the elite thing, Garrett. Look at them.
00:30:42
Speaker
And Cole's wearing those bullet club tights.
00:30:48
Speaker
So for those who have never been in this building before, can you describe it to me and to the listeners a little bit, like what this is like, what it's, what the smell is like, the temperature, everything.
Atmosphere and Audience of PWG Events
00:30:58
Speaker
The smell is putrid. Okay. Uh, it is the smell of a horror convention, a pro wrestling show and a Comic Con all wrapped into one. Uh, there's a lot of beer. They serve beer by the pitcher. It is hot. See those air conditioning vents up at the top?
00:31:16
Speaker
Don't work? Yeah, they work. They work fine. Just Legion Larry is not going to turn those on for you. Isn't he making money off of this? Don't you see Mr. Rick Knox right there? I do. So from what I always understood, this is what I was told about the Legion Hall. That they basically were able to use the Legion for free and that the Legion just took the alcohol sales.
00:31:38
Speaker
How much was a pitcher of beer? Not much. Honestly, this was probably one of the cheapest places to get a beer in LA. I was about to ask, isn't there like a joke and what was that? 40 year old virgin or something about it. He's like, it's $9 beer night or something. I went to a bar once ordered Adam Cole, baby, ordered two whiskey diets.
00:32:06
Speaker
They handed him to me and said $42. And you thought they messed up. And I was like, for what? Oh, for these? Okay. Well, you already made them, but I cannot afford a second round. So I guess this is the only drink I'm having tonight. Really? That's not worth it. No, it wasn't.
00:32:28
Speaker
Who the fuck would agree to those drink prices? I do not like seeing ricochet in things that are not pants. I see Excalibur. And Chucky T. Got Rick Knox, who specializes in tag team refereeing. Do you look at this match and go, we've come a long way, baby.
00:32:52
Speaker
Yeah, everybody well this one fixed camera angle here. Oh, don't worry. There's some cameras going around I get that but this is the heart. This is this is the hard cam Let's see, I'm excited to see who you okay, there's Dave Meltzer there's Brody King Meltzer is Meltzer I promise he never had to wait in line as long as we did I
00:33:18
Speaker
Is that part of the reason why people hate him? Meltzer, boo. That's a fucking hilarious, because the only part of that story that makes it funny is that Meltzer was kind of excited that he was over with somebody for a second, and then found out the hard way that wasn't true.
00:33:38
Speaker
Adam Cole looks the exact same, but he's way cooler when he can express himself more freely. You think I'm like flipping the bird is saying suck my dick. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's. I think this match was the first time I saw them do that. The upside down super. Oh, this one.
00:34:02
Speaker
The people in the land of the e had never seen anything like that before I a super kicked to a man's temple while he's upside down. Oh My god spit right in the eyes and that's it's it's racial oof
00:34:24
Speaker
Sorry, I realize I'm going to have to speak at some point because this is this is one that there's just going to be so many people flying all over the place the entire time. That guy wearing like a WCW hat from when they were in WWE. Yeah. And he did it. Oh, baby face pose. God, I miss this room.
00:34:52
Speaker
Does it really break your heart you won't be able to see another show in this building? It does, but I'm more happy that I just got to experience it at all. That is a very mature thing for you to say. You know, good things like that can't last forever. Oh my god. And now, god, there was just so little room to do all this flying amongst all the people. Everything was in your lap. Oh! Do you remember that?
00:35:16
Speaker
Do you remember that? No. And maybe that's why he's the only one that didn't. Rick Knox made a face at that spot. Ricochet's looking at him like, you just stumbled right over the thing. He's like, well, could have been you. Look how young Osprey looks right now with that short haircut.
00:35:41
Speaker
Where are you in this room relative to what's happening? I would be to, so right now we're on hard cam. I'm to the left. I'm standing against the wall. So if the camera ever shows the side of the room that's cut, that wall's mirrored. There should be a mirror behind me that's just steaming the fuck up from my body heat. Your pit sweat. Because this had to have been in September. Whenever this happened, it's one of the hottest ones.
00:36:12
Speaker
KO is like, that's a good idea. I mean, at this point, KO would have been in WWE. What month is this? It's Bola, so. Probably September, I want to say. I want to say it's usually around September. So he literally could be universal champion right at this second.
00:36:39
Speaker
Because remember he had the universal title at the same time that Adam Cole had the ROH title. Because there's that picture of them sharing a hotel room and they're each on a bed with a different belt. Yeah, that's true. So. And they were the Bucks were still able to two suite at this point. I was booing the shit out of them and they were and they were legit heels.
00:37:08
Speaker
Was this the last time that they had like a run as heels? I'm trying to remember in Ring of Honor because they were heels in this room, but they got cheered. But in Ring of Honor, I guess when I started to actually tune in, they were pretty much baby faces the whole time. Man.
00:37:36
Speaker
I'm kind of jealous. Is that a bar back to the right? Yeah, that's the right corners of the bar. So there's normally a line that just goes around. Oh, I think in the front row, I think Shayna Baszler and the four horse women are in the front row. Really? Yeah, there's Shayna like right by us. Oh, I see her. Holy shit. Yeah, she was a regular. She came to all these. She's just sucking it in, taking it in. Sorry. She just bit a woman the other day.
00:38:09
Speaker
I wish that you could tell how hot it was in this room. I wish there was a way to. I believe it. I understand. Just look how packed everyone is in there. And here's the thing. I may be a little bit of a bitch, because I think that would affect my enjoyment of a show. We just got done off the podcast having a conversation about why I can't attend Lollapalooza. And it's because I don't like being shoulder to shoulder with people in sweaty environments.
00:38:36
Speaker
This place was although I did it for tenacious d and I had a damn good time So maybe I'm not giving myself enough credit And I like professional wrestling and this is definitely that oh That was pretty and he said yes be proud of yourself Matt let's see where where's Garrett at? Where's Garrett at he's over to the left. Oh
00:39:06
Speaker
Yabouche. Oh, sell it. There is just. And Meltzer's already over there like already five stars. He's just making notes. I think I'm trying to remember this is one where I don't know if it's on camera, but at the end, the crowd started chanting five star match and Meltzer like eventually holds a five up.
00:39:30
Speaker
or does it lose a point because of that botch that, okay, see that guy? There was a guy in a number 10 jersey. This guy with the 10. This guy would always have a San Francisco Giants hat on and he would get so wasted in the parking lot. He would have front row every time and he would fall asleep by like the second match and just be asleep the whole show. Well, he's not asleep now. Well, he has to be awake. They moved him. He had to pick his chair up.
00:40:00
Speaker
He had no choice. Can you imagine paying $100 for a ticket and going and taking a nap? Like every single time. That's how much it costs to get into this room? Well like front row would have been like $100.
00:40:12
Speaker
I mean, I'm not saying, I mean, if it's a fucking intimate show that provides quality entertainment. Well, especially for that, like, I'm just meaning going. Oh, I didn't mean that. I didn't mean that in a derogatory way. I think I was just having to wrap my head around like paying arena prices to get into the AC on. Yeah. Yeah. Like if I pay a hundred bucks, I expect to get into a building that has air conditioning. And the thing is, you when you go to this, you're doing that three nights in a row.
00:40:42
Speaker
and you're waiting in that match to Sweden himself on the apron and I just want to let you know that's the kind of content I'm here for how many nights in a row three damn and the last night is the one you're just so burned out on and it's the longest day because they have to finish like a round of the tournament plus the finals and
00:41:09
Speaker
But the energy's still there, right? The energy's always there. How far was this from your apartment in LA? I probably had to drive 20 or 30 minutes. Oh, that's nothing. Yeah. Was there hotels relatively close to this?
00:41:27
Speaker
uh there was keep in mind i've never been to la number one number two because of that i don't know i can't even imagine like where is this located is it in a good neighborhood a bad neighborhood kind of in the middle of nowhere it was a fine neighborhood i guess like it's a neighborhood i probably wouldn't like hang out in if i didn't have something going on okay like this the energy from this crowd is insane
00:41:55
Speaker
Look at the Walgreens across the street that you'd have to go take poos in. And they let that happen? They didn't like it, but they knew when a wrestling show was happening because there would be all of us just destroying their toilets. Especially you? Not especially me. I don't know if I've ever seen you get offended in that way from something I've said. I went over there to go to the bathroom once and ran into Ronda Rousey in the parking lot. Did you say hi? I did. Was she nice? Yes.
00:42:26
Speaker
Is it weird to think Rhonda had such a short stint in WWE? Like that nothing more came of that? That it was like a one year rental? And she lived out her dreams despite the fact that she was at a P... Oh! They kissed! They were gonna kiss Adam Cole on the cheek and fucking Will Ospreay. Oh my goodness. Ricochet is smacking that turnbuckle.
00:43:00
Speaker
Do some flips? You like flippy shit? I love flippy shit. Let me ask you a question here. What do you think is more likely that you'll ever see Young Bucks in WWE or that you'll see Kevin Steen in AEW?
00:43:29
Speaker
That's a really good question. I, I could see him leaving and going to AEW like after his, like, you know, when he's towards the end, if he doesn't have to do like a crazy schedule one year there. I just, I don't know. I don't see the bucks at going to WWU. I mean, unless like AEW has like a real XFL thing and only goes one year.
00:43:55
Speaker
Which are we already? That is a very interesting question. What does happen if AEW folds after a couple years? Because keep in mind, TNT just extended them for like three years. Yeah. So they got a nice period of time. Sorry, is this the time to be having this conversation while we watch this match? No, it's fine. I believe at the time these two were the IWGP heavy or tag champs. Okay.
00:44:25
Speaker
but it does pose an interesting question like keep in mind the thing with the bucks and the elite and Cody and all that stuff it was building over the course of what two three years sorry Adam Cole just kicked ricochet so hard in the face that he did a backflip
00:44:49
Speaker
Like, so if AEW were to go under tomorrow, where would all those guys go? Do they just go back to Ring of Honor with their tails between their legs? Like, sorry. And Ring of Honor's like, we don't want you. Just kidding. Get the fuck in there. We need you. PCO's been champion for three years now.
00:45:09
Speaker
fix it. For some reason Marty just keeps booking him as a top dog. You guys gotta get here Marty's been head booker for two three years now things have gone off the rails. I think Marty's I don't know if everyone agrees with me but I think Marty's gonna end up regretting this decision.
00:45:32
Speaker
No way! I'd take a thumbtack spot before I do that. Isn't that fucking dangerous? That's wild. No, that could shred your asshole in half. Yuck. Yuck, yuck.
00:45:50
Speaker
I'm still trying to recover. These are the matches that when you're watching it in person, you're like, oh my God, this is so awesome. And then you can't remember anything to tell somebody after you saw it. I just, I can only tell you that I may have saw a man's butthole get splattered. I
00:46:13
Speaker
I mean, the same night was another tag match that was one of the best matches I ever saw there too. Which was Chris Hero and Aleister Black versus the Lucha Bros. I think something that makes me
00:46:42
Speaker
I think is like I was saying that the process to get to where AEW is a thing and where NXT is as big as it is. I mean, shit. Well, will the indie scene ever be like this again?
00:46:59
Speaker
I mean, don't get me wrong, the indie scene's technically what, bigger than it's ever been? I think it's still thriving pretty hard. I just don't know if there is. But are there stars of this capacity? And is that even possible? Like where you could have a show that you can charge $100 a ticket for an indie show. Correct. Just because everybody's such a big fucking name. Correct. There's guys we can bring up on the indies that you like.
00:47:26
Speaker
Well, keep it, yeah. Cuz I'm trying to think, I started thinking, there it is. It wasn't even ricochet. Boosh. Style does that move in WWE sometimes. It's a back breaker there, or a neck breaker, whatever. I'm trying to see the curtain peeking through right now. Wait, where's it at?
00:47:56
Speaker
I'm trying to remember if this was these fucking like lanterns on the wall that are like crooked and shit. OK, you can see that somebody is peeking through the curtain. I want to say this was may have been the night that Seth Rollins was behind the curtain peeking through watching the matches. Really? Like he was there. Well, there's a guy with a Rollins shirt in the back over there, so.
00:48:17
Speaker
I don't think he would show up to a show wearing his own merch though, right? Well, he definitely sat there and like just peeked through the curtain so that he didn't show up. But there was another night that Becky Lynch came and just sat on the stage and just watched the whole show from the stage. While signed to WWE? Yeah.
00:48:37
Speaker
And that was okay. Did you see that child shit? Oh, there's gotta be Garrett somewhere over there. I'm right there. Tank top blues hat. Oosh. God damn. Oh goodness. Doing flips ain't shit. Doing flips ain't shit. That should have been either their tag team name or their shirt. That's a t-shirt.
00:49:12
Speaker
point to the guy in the front row you want to flip here you go you get a flip and you get a fucking oprah props to the guy wearing the backwards toronto bluejay's hat here in like the second room i was hoping that we would see uh is this the best best match you saw in this building you think
00:49:36
Speaker
It's so hard. It's really hard to say. I saw so many good matches and I can't remember anything from any of them. Exactly. Well, this one is one that I very much so remember the finish. It just, God, it had just such a memorable finish. But it's just when you're going there and it's just exciting spot after exciting spot.
00:50:07
Speaker
The reverse run always looks so dangerous. For the record, and I may get some heat for saying this, hey Melter, I hate the Spanish fly. Really? I fucking hate it. It's one of those moves that's so, it involves the other guy helping you so much that it kind of takes me out of it. I get that it looks pretty, but you don't just get to put your arm over a guy's chest and then do a back flip and he just comes with you.
00:50:38
Speaker
It's true. There's at least some principles of physics where it's like your momentum carried his body over with you as you tumbled. But with the Spanish fly, it's just like, and they both jumped. What about when it's happening from the top rope? I especially don't like it there because there's no way that guy would help you. You would just shove him off.
00:51:03
Speaker
I'm sorry to be that guy again. I'm sure there's some fucking person listening to this right now. It's like, Derek, there's a whole litany of moves that require the assistance of the other person. And I'm like, yeah, I get it. But off the top of my head right now, that's the one I'm criticizing. How do you feel about scene? Oh, my goodness. There you go, Melz.
00:51:37
Speaker
Oh, goodness. Meltzer's not happy that somebody kicked out of his move. He has to be so in love with the fact that there's a move named after him. I think that's why people don't like Meltzer's. There's always a vibe under him that he really enjoys the job he has. Well, he should. But I mean, like it's like. He's a little too close to the company, Inc.
00:52:08
Speaker
You know how they say don't dip the pin company ink? I'm totally glad I dipped the pin company ink, bro. Oof. No. Do you think you've seen enough pro wrestling to work like a two-minute match? No. Really? No. You seem very confident that you could, and I think you would do better than you think. You think that, well, I guess if how long's my entrance?
00:52:39
Speaker
I'm talking bell to bell. Oh, okay. I know you're not a big fan of the cutters, but what about an ops cutter out of nowhere from the top row? That's fine. What about this fucking side L cutter or the Meltzer driver? Let me see. Oh, shooting star Meltzer driver.
00:52:59
Speaker
It's not that I'm not a fan of the cutter, I just think it's overused. There is a difference. Get ready for one of the prettiest goddamn things I've ever seen in a pro wrestling match. Just in life, maybe? Ooh, that's pretty. In sync. Professionals wrestling.
00:53:20
Speaker
Like I honestly, no joke is that hit the three counts and the crowd popped. Goosebumps popped up on my arm. Just thinking about being in that room. Absolutely adorable. This man missed that place. Thanks for watching this one with us. That was fun. There's Shayna Baszler smacking the ring like a fucking Mark. Well, and it's funny because like Andy from every time I die, who's fucking the butcher, he's in there as just a fan.
00:53:48
Speaker
I think does that make you feel like you have a special connection when you see people like who have the same kind of passion for going to a show like this as just like you, Joe Schmoe. And then you're like, oh, those person like that person, those persons, those people turn it into a fucking like career.
00:54:10
Speaker
I do always like when some of my favorite musicians end up being pro wrestling fans. I actually got a concert dedicated to me once for wearing a Dean Ambrose shirt. You've told me that story. How come that's not something we talk about more often? You had a Dean Ambrose shirt.
00:54:29
Speaker
I had a lot of WWE shirts. Back up. You had to be reconvinced of your affinity for Jon Moxley. That's true, but I also did see him have that real stinker of a match with Lesnar at 32. Which, from what I hear now, is primarily Lesnar's fault for not giving a shit.
00:54:50
Speaker
Yeah. Ambrose basically had nothing to do with why that was bad. And now I believe they- Although Heyman would try to tell you otherwise, which I, he lost a lot of credibility with me when I hear. We're picking a weird time to break down other things, but thanks for sitting in with us. That was fun. Yeah. Thanks. Yeah. I'm glad you guys sat through this one with us. Can we do some more PWG shows in the future?
00:55:11
Speaker
Oh, yeah, I really would like to do... Can we go do a... bucks, Steen, bucks? Let's do it. We'll figure that out soon, but you know what? I'm not gonna lie to you. I have to go to the bathroom pretty bad right now, and we gotta sign out so I can do that. Alright, you know our usual stuff.
00:55:29
Speaker
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00:56:07
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00:56:36
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