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Episode 119: Ring Rust
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After a hiatus the Predetermined boys are back and shaking off the ring rust! This week we're chatting All Out 2020!
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Transcript
Intro and Beer Talk
00:00:36
Speaker
Hello, my friends. Welcome back to Predetermined. I'm your host, Garrett Callender. I'm your other host, Derek Halpin, and we are starting off this show the right way. Yes.
Break and Podcast Collaboration
00:00:49
Speaker
What flavor you got? What do you got? I've got a I've got a shock top over here.
00:00:56
Speaker
Nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong with it, but I bought... There's some things that aren't right with it. I'll say that. I bought... I think it was a 15 pack of these bad boys for $9.99 around 4th of July, and I've been working on them for a while now, as it is now early September, and we have been gone for a little bit, my friend. We have been... Yes.
Quarantine Wrestling Episodes
00:01:23
Speaker
We've been gone for...
00:01:25
Speaker
I don't even remember the last time. We did that intro for a bonus zone, but when was the last time we just recorded an episode? It's been months, to say the least. It's been maybe since May. Well, how does that make you feel? Did you miss me?
00:01:45
Speaker
I mean, I've still been in contact with you, so I haven't missed you. I've missed this. I mean, I miss you, but not like that. Fuck you. Not like I haven't been in touch with you since May. I have.
00:01:59
Speaker
But yeah, we it's been a while since we've done a full length, fresh episode to discuss pro wrestling.
Zoom Recording Experience
00:02:07
Speaker
I'm sure you guys know by now we've been collaborating a bit with the curtain jerks and the best there ever was podcast to put out some some
00:02:18
Speaker
I don't know what you call them, quarantine, the quarantine episodes. Yeah, we were the quarantine. Yeah. Are we, are we still the quarantine or was that, is that over? Did we already disband like Eddie Kingston's faction? I can't wait to talk about that. I had to text you about that because I, there's certain rules in pro wrestling that I think you got to follow. And I think one of them is you got to get your faction established before you start doing a breakup.
00:02:53
Speaker
You think that they're breaking new ground? I think if you start a faction with some guys that really just don't care for each other, that's a better story. They're trying to put it together. We're so used to just seeing it like they formed. They formed. They're bad. They're together. Now it's like, no, they're bad. They kind of don't like each other. So yeah. But I would like to think that we didn't have those kinds of issues.
00:03:23
Speaker
I would like to think that, you know, getting back together was like for this was a little, you know, natural and easy. You know, we're raving here. We're. Yeah. No tension. Not even a little. Not between us. Not even a little sexual tension. You did send me a kiss emoji earlier through text. That's true. It's because I missed you.
00:03:47
Speaker
Well, I missed you too. And now we're here together face to face. By
AEW All Out Highlights
00:03:51
Speaker
the way, I don't know if anyone at home will appreciate this because this is an audio podcast. This is our first time officially recording together face to face via Zoom. So cheers to hoping this works out with no internet issues. They probably think that's kind of weird, right? That we haven't been doing it to this point? Because we could have been the whole time.
00:04:17
Speaker
We could have. We just chose to look at a wall and listen to each other. Maybe it made us better. You said you used to stare at a KO pop when you were recording. I think I can see him from where I'm at right now. And I'm staring at Spider-Man. Kind of like you said, Miro had to really go through all the ringer at WWE before he could build up whatever it is he's doing now.
00:04:43
Speaker
Indeed. We've got so much to talk about, man. We got a big pay-per-view that's been kind of important to us the last couple of years. And I say that understanding that All In is not technically All Out, but All In was clearly the inspiration for All Out, and we just came out from AEW's second ever All Out pay-per-view, and that was probably going to be here in Chicago, right? I assume so.
00:05:11
Speaker
Where else would it theoretically? Theoretically, if there was no fucking pandemic, we would have been enjoying another Labor Day weekend celebration with wrestling. Trying to pull up the card to this show right now, because this this was a really fun one.
00:05:28
Speaker
I thought it was a good show overall. I saw there was like a lot of people on the social media who were saying it was one of the weaker AEW pay-per-views. I thought the show was like the first half of it was okay. And then I thought the back end of the show was just fantastic. A lot happened in that first half.
00:05:53
Speaker
Yeah. Did you feel like there was some filler or? If you count Matt Hardy's head bouncing off the ground as filler, then there was a ton of it. Jesus. Yeah, there was some filler all over the pavement. I honestly thought he was going to come on Dynamite tonight and retire.
AEW Roster and Booking Concerns
00:06:15
Speaker
He had a vibe like... It seemed that way.
00:06:19
Speaker
I know I had a really weird reaction and I don't know. This is kind of the thing you don't want to go on a podcast and say because it seems like it might get you in some trouble. But I know I had kind of a visceral reaction to his wife. What's her name Reba. Yeah. Rebi. I don't know whatever. But she was she was going after AEW.
00:06:42
Speaker
the night of that show for letting that go on. And I kind of wanted to be like, aren't we supposed to wait until after the show's over and we know all the details before we start going into what happened? If Matt said he was good to go, then they were like, nah, I don't think you're good to go. Dude wasn't good to go.
00:07:01
Speaker
If well, yeah, but nobody knows that I can tell I am NOT a professional and I can tell you But just based off of watching him stumble around he was not good to go Well, how do you know he wasn't just selling Garrett? I Don't I guess but that thud was sickening Yeah, that spot was um
00:07:25
Speaker
So early in the match to where and it was another one of the situations where they kind of wrote themselves into a corner where like it's like if Matt Hardy doesn't win this match he's leaving and then that happens. It's like well we didn't really want Matt Hardy to leave so this is a problem now.
00:07:40
Speaker
But that being said, if he can survive that and Sammy can't survive the fall he took, pussy. That's a receipt for the comments that Sammy made years back that got him suspended from AEW. Oh, yes. That's serious social commentary for our comeback episode here. What else was I going to point out?
00:08:10
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I thought the top half of the all out card here was I mean, there was some good stuff in here. I know I liked the Thunder Rosa Sheeta match. That was really good. I felt so bad that they had to follow that. Yeah. Yeah, they did an amazing job of following it, though. Yes. Um.
00:08:36
Speaker
What are some of the other things? You said you had the card pulled up. I want to know. Do you want me to start with the buy in? Or do we skip? I mean, I watched the whole thing. I had thought about buying it. And then you text me saying that you had access so that we could both watch it simultaneously. So I ended up watching it on my laptop and living room and ended up enjoying it. But what the buy in match was was that private party? Actually, before that, Janela opened the show.
00:09:06
Speaker
Okay. Janela and Sir Pentico, it was kind of a regular match. Janela went over. You and I were texting back and forth during this show. I kind of got that because we haven't really talked a ton of wrestling in the last month or so. I haven't watched a ton of wrestling in the last month or so. No, honestly,
AEW Matches and Storylines
00:09:27
Speaker
other than the GCW shows, that's really all I've been watching.
00:09:32
Speaker
Yeah I think the other thing that's been fucking with me is I'm a pretty I try to be a pretty regular AEW viewer but the NBA playoffs have kind of messed with the the time slot so it's moved around a couple times since NBA playoffs started and so I've missed it and then I've been like whatever I'll catch it next week and then it was a different time and yeah so I've just been in the last couple weeks been getting caught up but
00:10:00
Speaker
So, buy-in was whatever, right? It was fine. It was fine. Then we had private party versus dark order, which was also fine. Yeah. It was good. I think a lot of people are starting to give Alex Reynolds and John Silver praise as a tag team. But is that really gonna go anywhere? You never know. Now that they're kicking Colt Cabana out of that troop.
00:10:30
Speaker
But according to you, that's just the beginning of Dark Order then. They're just getting started. And you know, if that doesn't work out, they'll just head over to Eddie Kingston's and see what he's got going on. Yeah. Eddie Kingston's group is a parfait of talent. It's a parfait of indie talent. A delicious parfait though.
00:10:55
Speaker
It's delicious. I'm eating that parfait up. I know you said you had a little bit of a problem with that parfait for a minute. What did I say? I have a problem? I said I have a problem with the... I texted something to you the other day, and then as soon as I texted it, I realized, man, I'm gonna have to clarify what I mean by that later on, and that's a good thing
Hangman Page and Kenny Omega's Future
00:11:15
Speaker
that we have a pro wrestling podcast where I can do that. I texted to you, there's a part of me that kind of hates the AEW roster.
00:11:23
Speaker
And I don't know if you understood where I was coming from with that. It seemed like you were being negative and shitty. It's... This isn't Twitter, but close. It's a podcast.
00:11:39
Speaker
I don't mean that I straight up hate the AEW roster because I think it sucks. Part of the reason I've had such frustrated feelings towards WWE amongst many reasons is that it just feels like there's a clog of fucking talent and it just seems like AEW just keeps bringing people in and it's only been around for about a year.
00:12:05
Speaker
And I, it just feels like they keep hiring people and I, every time they hire somebody, I think, man, don't they have a guy that's just like that, that they hired three or four months ago and now that person's going to get lost in the shuffle? Like what, like Brian Cage was a big deal two months ago. And now we're back to pushing Lance Archer and now we were bringing in another person that's a big guy and, um,
00:12:30
Speaker
I don't know. I just I just worry that they're hiring people for the sake of hiring people instead of really having a nice long term plan for everybody. And the last thing you want to do as a new entity and as a new promotion like they are is start frustrating the talent that you bring in and start establishing that you have this reputation of hiring people and then doing nothing with them, which is one of the big complaints about the other
FTR's Impact and Tag Team Titles
00:12:53
Speaker
place. That's fair.
00:12:57
Speaker
I don't know. Maybe it's unfounded. Maybe they, they, I just, I don't know who's being underused right now though. I don't know. It's like, but like, what's, what's the name of the fucking tag team that wears the neon green that I just saw tonight. One half of wrestle orange Cassidy. Is that H two or whatever it is? Well, it's Angelico and Jack Evans. I don't remember what they're actually called though.
00:13:23
Speaker
Yeah. That was the first time I had seen them in months. Well, maybe if you watched E.W. Dark on the well, I shouldn't have to watch the fucking Internet show to keep up on their talent of 5,000 people. But, um.
00:13:40
Speaker
I don't know, I just feel like for a while there it was like they were hiring people just to do one-offs with Moxley and Cody. It's like they would hire a guy, it'd be a big fucking deal, they'd go get a title match and then they would lose, and then they'd pitch them and move on to the next guy. That's why they had to get the belt off of Cody fast. The roster was getting too goddamn cluttered. There wasn't any room in the locker room anymore.
00:14:03
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, I don't know. I just. If you were to get like there's guys and I guess they have gone through what a number of injuries. Is Cody legit hurt right now that. Oh, speaking of Cody. Speaking of fucking Cody after tonight's dynamite. Oh, that fucking promo. I hated that.
00:14:26
Speaker
Yeah, me too. They really worked me hard with that shit. You thought it was gonna be a huge pro wrestling announcement? I really thought it was, yeah, I was like, who are they gonna bring in now to fight Cody? Nope. Nope. He's got a show with Burt Kreischer on TBS. And Snoop Dogg.
00:14:45
Speaker
and Rosario Dawson. They flashed it during the ladies match and then I was like, oh shit, they didn't mean to flash it. What is this? What's this going to be? And it was not huge breaking news. But I do kind of want to see that man lasso that horse.
00:15:05
Speaker
So let's let's back up a little bit. We got off track. What's what was the first match officially on the all out card.
Orange Cassidy and MJF's Potential
00:15:12
Speaker
OK. This one it wasn't bad but I maybe wouldn't have put it first. It was. Oh my God. Yes. Big swole Britt Baker.
00:15:22
Speaker
Yeah, I completely agree with you. That was the first thing I thought I was like, I'm fine with this for what it is. I just think it's a weird opener for the show. To me, it would have made more sense to open with the Young Bucks than in Luchasaurus because that match was fucking fun as hell. Yeah, absolutely. I don't know if a cinematic wrestling bit works as an opener.
00:15:50
Speaker
And I'm sure somebody is where somebody is going to be like, well, WWE did this like five months ago and nobody said anything. Well, maybe, but I can't think of it right now. So you're like, well, maybe, but I haven't had the WWE network in a little bit. So, uh, I couldn't tell you been there. I really haven't utilized it much lately. Um, honestly, it might be the one wrestling streaming service I don't have right now.
00:16:16
Speaker
Really? I just, I let it go. It wasn't ever getting used. You're saving your $9.99? I could use that for something else. Movie theaters are back open. Movie theaters back open. There's chicken sandwiches from Popeyes. There's White Claw. Yeah. All of that is a pretty good use of $9.99.
00:16:37
Speaker
Um, no, I thought, I thought, actually I did think that the Britt Baker, uh, big swole, uh, cinematic wrestling. I thought it was fun. I just, this goes back to the whole thing about live wrestling and crowds and stuff. There's, there's, there's that, there's that fun feeling at a pay-per-view when it's the first match. It doesn't, it doesn't have to be WrestleMania, but the crowds amped for that first match at a pay-per-view. And then when it's like, and we cut to a dentist office where these two women
00:17:04
Speaker
are about to have a fight, but apparently one of them wasn't fully prepared for it, even though the camera crew was there. But I was not expecting Britt Baker to take a syringe into her body in this match. No, that's a GCW spot. That was a straight up GCW spot, and it made me shriek a little bit. For those of you who don't know, I am terrified of needles. Wrestling should give you the same feeling of watching Saw 2.
00:17:38
Speaker
Specifically, none of the other ones. Well, that's the one where she falls into the pit of hypodermic needles. She doesn't fall, she's thrown. And I screamed in my theater seat when I saw this. Yeah, the funny thing is that
00:17:56
Speaker
Yes we're gonna have to have this debate maybe a couple times while we're recording this but like going back they are finally getting around to some goddamn good character development with the elite
AEW vs WWE Show Quality
00:18:07
Speaker
like this is what I've been waiting for for a year instead of this white meat plain fucking bread babyface bullshit there is some character development and there are some storylines playing out and I enjoyed this Jurassic Express young bucks match
00:18:26
Speaker
Oh, that was great. So you're getting to see the bucks that you knew and hated in PWG. They're coming back, it seems. Oh, I have missed booing the young bucks so much. You see, this is bringing me back to where it's like maybe a time before coronavirus. You know, it's bringing me back to feelings that I didn't know I could have again.
00:18:53
Speaker
and I'm loving it. For those who don't know the story, a few years ago Garrett and I went to an ROH show here in Chicago and Garrett showed up fully prepared to boo the young bucks as he had done for a while and then found out that when the young bucks come to Chicago, they're actually the baby faces here. It was pretty disappointing to be honest. It made me look like a huge hypocrite. Oh, but then you had no problem turning around and cheering them. No. So, but we've been riding that wave for a few years now.
00:19:24
Speaker
Are you ready to boo those guys? Well, but I also think that this is something we've talked about in the past, which is that when they started AEW, we were kind of sitting around waiting for them to really make Kenny and the box and Cody and Hangman like stars of the show. And they've really spent the last year in different ways, but they've kind of held all of them back to a certain extent from what we know that they're capable of.
00:19:53
Speaker
So to basically do that for a year and then use that as like a on screen character frustration for them, that they feel like they're not living up to what they're supposed to be. Like the young bucks are now, you know, a year, a year into this company and have not held the tag titles. That's true.
00:20:15
Speaker
like that's a that's a nice juicy bit of story for them to work with. Even tonight we're recording this on a Wednesday. Kenny doing that one on one interview with Jim Ross where he basically ended like he ended the hangman Kenny Omega tag team. I like those that during single star I like during hangman's thing though he's like no we'll get him back.
00:20:40
Speaker
That was earlier in the night. And then fucking Kenny came in and squashed it. And I was like, no, that's not happening. So what? Okay. So if the elite is disbanded, what happened with Cody? He had no say in any of this. It's going to be so interesting when they come. But that's the other thing is that when they were having like the stadium stampede match, Cody wasn't a part of that. That's true. It was Matt Hardy. It's like the nightmare family broke off and became their own thing to focus on and the elite plus Matt Hardy.
00:21:10
Speaker
Can you picture a world where you take QT Marshall over Kenny Omega? Nope. I can. I've seen that world. We're living. I turn away when he comes on my screen. I told you earlier tonight, speaking of messages that we've exchanged, I am not comfortable with how often Brandi Rhodes is managing her brother-in-law. It just feels weird.
00:21:39
Speaker
Like, stop it, you're a married woman. Like, go take care of your injured husband. He's fine, he's doing a Burt Kreischer TV show. He's not fine, clearly. You think if he were fine, he would be back wrestling? He found another career. He gets to go hang out with Rosario Dawson now. Yes, the Miz, hey, have you been watching Cannonball?
00:22:07
Speaker
No, I haven't. I've been enjoying my life. How? It's quarantine times. There's nothing on. You have not been watching Cannonball? It's not nearly as quarantine as it used to be, number one. And number two, I've got sports back, baby. Real sports. OK, well, both of our hockey teams got knocked out really fast. So all we have is Cannonball now. Well, I have baseball.
00:22:33
Speaker
and my team is in first place for the first time in a long time. I didn't know that. Congratulations. Thank you.
Future AEW Booking Predictions
00:22:45
Speaker
So yeah, no, the Cody dynamic and the funny thing is there's nothing stopping them from maybe in the future even, there's that whole
00:22:55
Speaker
Was it you you brought this up when we were doing somebody brought this up when we were doing a quarantine episode recently. Do you remember when Cody was trying to take over the leadership role of Bullet Club. Yeah he really only had he only really only had hangman and Marty standing by his side. So it's going to be interesting when Cody comes back to be like what the fuck happened over here. QT Marshall is the yes man that Cody really needed.
00:23:23
Speaker
They really want QT Marshall to get over. I don't see it happening. I think this is going to be one of those things where he's going to get over with me on accident. You think he's the new hangman? Well, it was tonight after they beat the shit out of Dustin, they came in and were like, here's your shit, and then threw QT Marshall over the top room.
00:23:47
Speaker
Hmm. I'm going back to all out after Luchasaurus and Jungle Boy against the Bucks. What was next on this card. We had the casino battle royale.
00:24:02
Speaker
Did you have, oh my god. We gotta talk about it, right? I feel so bad. I feel so bad for the man. The look on your face does not suggest that you feel any sort of guilt. I met Seydel's from St. Louis. He was always very pleasant to me at PWG shows. He was in one of the best matches I've ever seen live. Only guy in the match that hadn't been signed yet.
00:24:32
Speaker
And how was his debut on TNT? Well, I guess it wasn't TNT. It was pay-per-view. He came out, gave his, his, uh, you know, peace signs. Crowd cheered. I cheered. I text my friend. Yay. And then immediately had to text. Oh no. Do you think it was, it wasn't really his fault though, was it?
00:25:00
Speaker
I don't care. I just know that that's not. We're talking Matt Seidel here. We years later.
00:25:09
Speaker
Talk about how awful that debut was for shock master. And I'm not going to say that this was that bad, but I mean, it gave the same feeling in the pit of your stomach of like, Oh no. If you're, if you're a flippy top rope guy, that is not how you want to start in your new company. First move. I was well, at first I was worried that he broke his neck. And then when I realized he was okay, I was a little mad. They didn't show that replay a thousand times like they did for Titus.
00:25:40
Speaker
Welcome to AEW. Look at this dumb piece of shit. No, I like Matt Seidel. I don't think he's a dumb piece of shit. I feel very bad for the man. I wanted him to have such a good debut. I was so excited. There were so many emotions in 30 seconds. Oh, yeah, it's Matt Seidel. Oh, wait, he's about to join the match. Oh, wait, no.
00:26:10
Speaker
And he never got a second shot to hit that shooting star press. He didn't need one. He doesn't. I think I text you like I really hope he's not scheduled to win this because that would be some WWE shit like the guy that they booked to win it just looks fucking horrible in the first 15 seconds. Did you have any predictions going into this like who was going to win the battle royal.
00:26:39
Speaker
I was kind of hoping Eddie Kingston, I just, in my heart I wanted to see him get a title shot against Moxley, but I don't think I would have guessed Archer.
00:26:51
Speaker
I could I would have said Archer and I knew that they just finished that Brian Cage Moxley feud. So I will say I will credit AEW. This is going to sound a little hypocritical but I got I just finished complaining about how they would like bring in talent
00:27:11
Speaker
and then immediately give them a title match and then when they were done, they kind of get shuffled aside. But one thing that we've talked about before, I love that with AEW, they don't do the WWE formula. You get a title match and when you don't win, that feud's over. There's not the three month formula where you have the match, the rematch, and then the rubber match. You get one fucking go at it and you get the fuck to the back of the line.
00:27:38
Speaker
And that's what happened to Matt Seidel in that battle world. You get one chance at that move. No, you're done. He's hit that move so many times. Why didn't it work that time, Derek? This is the biggest stage he's ever been on. Was it? He's been in WWE. Was he in a match at a pay-per-view for WWE?
00:28:10
Speaker
He had to have been, right? I don't know. I don't know either. You're his number one fan. I was a fan of Matt Seidel. I know nothing about, what was his name, Evan Bourne? Speaking of Bourne, did you check out any of Bourne's supremacy before AEW started? No, I didn't. I was eating my dinner.
00:28:39
Speaker
I was too while watching the very end of Born Supremacy. You always gotta tune in to see the last 10 minutes of the movie that comes on before AEW. That's important
Nostalgia for Pre-Pandemic Wrestling
00:28:50
Speaker
to me. What about the first 20 seconds of the movie that they show right after Dynamite? Oh shit, what was tonight? I missed that. I don't know, but I know I see the opening credits and I'm like, this seems like a good time, but I'm out of here.
00:29:08
Speaker
So I'm OK with Lance Archer. I know that there were a lot of people that were upset that he wasn't the first TNT champion. But I think Cody was the right guy to go with for that.
00:29:20
Speaker
Archer being a fucking monster and punishing Moxley. There it does give off like basically what they just did with Brian Cage maybe a little bit more violent but like it's another big guy who wreaks havoc that's about to take on the champion. So well before that it was wasn't it Brodie Lee. Yeah. So it's I'm not like I guess I'm not a huge Lance Archer fan. I'm going to say it.
00:29:51
Speaker
You don't like the murder hawk monster? I wasn't a huge fan of him when he appeared in New Japan and he hasn't won me over yet.
00:30:02
Speaker
Especially with Jake the snake's super dark mustache. Not a fan. Seems fake. It doesn't seem fake. I just know it got, it just made me think of, you saw the documentary, right? The DDP Jake the snake documentary when he comes out with his hair dyed jet black and Scott Hall makes fun of him. And then he goes in the garage and cries and he's like a goddamn baby bird man.
00:30:32
Speaker
Does he look a little bit like a Guess Who character? Do they have a snake around their neck? No? Okay. Click. Click. After the Battle Royal, where do we go from there?
00:30:49
Speaker
Uh, then it, let's see from the battle Royal, it went to, Oh, God damn it. Yeah. It followed. So basically we got to watch Matt Seidel fall on his head. And then we immediately watched Matt Hardy fall on his head. It was a bad night for the mats. Yeah.
00:31:09
Speaker
and the situation. So what I mean take me through your emotions with that thing. Were you really like were because I remember watching him hit his head and being like.
00:31:21
Speaker
Like he's probably concussed, and they should probably stop the match. But then, aren't you kind of depending on the guy to be like, yeah, I'm fucking concussed. Stop. No. He didn't say that. How do you know? I think a lot of those wrestlers want to fight through that shit and be tough guys, like a hockey player. Well, that's cool. That is really cool, but you got to take care of yourself if you've got kids.
00:31:51
Speaker
Mick Foley just wouldn't make it in today's today's wrestling if we have that attitude. I mean, I mean, that's obviously for the better, but I don't know, man. It's just like. I don't know what you do. He was so every time somebody gets right. It makes it weird that they put that stipulation on there, too. They mean, like I said, they really wrote themselves into a corner. So I can't have him live.
00:32:18
Speaker
You can work a storyline around that. If he had ended up going out there and retiring tonight, that would have been really shitty to just not have him lose that match then. Just make it official that Sammy Guevara retired Matt Hardy. It's just that when they threw up the X, I didn't know if I'm like, is this another one of those they know that I know?
00:32:42
Speaker
You mean like all in? Yeah, like all in when they threw up the X. They did it one fucking time and now you can never not think that maybe they're working you. Especially, yeah, like there was no reason for that specific match to need that.
00:32:57
Speaker
so yeah fuck I was more fucked up when they're just like never mind the match is still going they have to finish this thing yeah over there and then they're like no no it's really we're done this you guys don't have any chemistry you're gonna kill each other and then when they were making Matt Hardy climb that thing I was like he's gonna kill himself just climbing this thing
00:33:21
Speaker
Yeah, no. It sounds like tonight they're basically ending that because it just wasn't working. Hey, you go out there and you apologize to the people. You apologize to your family. Fuck. You even apologize to Sammy while you're out there. It's not a good look for Sammy either. That that feud was cursed from the get go.
00:33:49
Speaker
What was the, how was it cursed? Sammy busted Matt Hardy's head open with that chair.
00:33:57
Speaker
There was supposed to be like a specific chair that he used and he couldn't find it. So he just grabbed like a loose chair and threw it at Matt Hardy and it bashed him in the fucking head and actually busted him open for real. And then fucking Hardy gave him a fucking receipt and busted him open. And then the shit happened on Saturday at all out where they fell through the overshot the table. I mean we take it for granted. Do you remember that spot a few months ago before the stadium's tampede match when Kenny just climbed that that fucking
00:34:27
Speaker
The scissor lift thing. Yeah. Yeah. And then just just just without looking did the dive. Hey not every wrestler has great chemistry. I'm just glad that apparently Matt Hardy is OK. And that's all that matters right.
00:34:48
Speaker
You can't kill Matt Hardy. You can't. I mean, you can. That's why they should have stopped the match. We don't want somebody dying in this promotion that we love so much.
Pandemic Wrestling Show Concerns
00:35:02
Speaker
The next one after this is maybe if I could have cut one thing from the show, I might have. Which was what? The natural nightmares versus the Dark Order thing.
00:35:14
Speaker
had fun with this match you liked that one I did I think I was still fucked up from Hardy I thought I wasn't going to like it and maybe that's what helped it like I was really thinking against and I thought like this would be on the kickoff show if this was in WWE like this doesn't need to be on the main main show but I ended up having a good time with it especially watching
00:35:40
Speaker
First of all, actually this is a perfect example of what the fuck I'm talking about. There's a lot of stuff to talk about within the confines of this match. Colt Cabana.
00:35:51
Speaker
on the surface does not belong with the Dark Order on any level as a character. It's just a weird fit. But I get what they're going for, which is like the idea that even Colt Cabana can be lured by the temptations of the Dark Order and the sex cult. But even like with the arrival of Brodie Lee, members that used to be primary characters for Dark Order are now background characters. And then there's background characters to the background characters of Dark Order. There's a lot of layers in that fucking faction.
00:36:21
Speaker
Two, it was nice to see Dustin get a win, right? That's after doing a lot of jobs and shit, so that's fun. But at the same time, I hate to be the bearer of bad news. I could not give a single fuck that Zack Ryder is an AEW. I don't think he's officially signed, is he? That's what they keep saying on the show. He's like, I'm not even an employee. I got nothing to lose.
00:36:52
Speaker
Whoa, whoa, whoa. You make him more Rekion from CKY then. I remember when I was little. I used to eat them Skittles. I hope somebody enjoys that as much as I do. And then why the fucking Scorpio Sky a member of the Nightmare family other than that he's got really sweet fucking ringing music now? Did he have beef with the Dark Order earlier that I didn't catch?
00:37:24
Speaker
So it's it's dusty. It's it's Dustin. QT Marshall Matt Cardona and Scorpio Sky correct. Yes. Good job QT Marshall you just got the biggest win your career is ever going to have. You need to lay off of him. See I'm working you see I'm making you a QT. I'm making you a QT fan. Let me look up real quick does he have a shirt.
00:37:51
Speaker
Such a QT. I picture it's just going to be an apple with a worm coming out of it. That has to be what it is. Probably something stupid. QT Marshall shirt. Nothing on the AEWshop.com. Hell yeah, there's a QT. Apple at $25. Of course. Why wouldn't it be? Oh, this isn't even on... This is on pro wrestling tees.
00:38:21
Speaker
Well, yeah, but that's like the official distributor of AEW merchandise. Well, it's not on ShopAEW.com. It's because QT Marshall ain't shit yet. He doesn't get to move up to the main merchandise roster until later. QT Marshall would beat your ass. Probably, but he's not here. You hear that QT Marshall? Come on to show you. You hear that Zack Ryder? You fucking chicken. 50% of that winning team.
00:38:50
Speaker
Don't give a shit about I Don't know Matt Cardona is not catchy to me like I don't care like
AEW Dynamite Highlights
00:38:56
Speaker
I don't know You're just jealous of his action figure collection I don't think that's true. I caught you
00:39:11
Speaker
I don't know. There's just there's just all there was a lot in that match. I ended up being fine with it really what it really did was it planted the seeds of Brody Lee setting up Colt Cabana for the W and Cabana trying to go for his finisher and then getting rolled up by dust Dustin and losing. I planted the seeds of there being some dissension within dark order which is playing well now.
00:39:33
Speaker
Um, so I like what it did there. But, uh, no, this wasn't your cup of tea. I get it. It just seems like a thrown together mixed tag match, whatever. Fuck it. You still not on board with Dark Order? Have they won you over at all? The sex cult thing? Yeah. Do you like violence? Are you horny? This is the group for you. Join Dark Order. And it's joindarkorder.com on a Titan Tron.
00:40:01
Speaker
next match hit it Garrett FTR vs Kenny Omega and Adam hangman page like was this the point where you and I were texting each other and I was like this things need to start getting good like right now
00:40:18
Speaker
I feel bad saying that because the Sheeda Thunder Rosa match was really good. It's true, but I also think we were like, this is not like previous shows that have the word all in them that we've been to. We're of slightly higher quality. That's true. I think because of those two matches back to back, it did feel
00:40:45
Speaker
like it opened with cinematic wrestling then had a couple matches back to back that were. Are you blaming Matt Seidel for that. I'm not blaming him but I mean he's part of it. It's funny how just a two second thing can stick in your memory. Yeah it is weird how that works. So yeah.
00:41:13
Speaker
What did you think of FTR versus Hangman and Kenny Omega and the removal of the tag team titles from the latter? If they were going to drop them to somebody, that makes sense to pass them off to FTR, right? Especially when they were going to have a cake celebration the next night. So...
00:41:42
Speaker
Not every tag team celebrates with a cake. FTR, Tully Blanchard knows what to do. He gets you a fucking cake and you party.
00:41:51
Speaker
and you apparently hand out cans of what the fuck was it to everybody at ringside it was just it was just beer and i think it was just like Homer Simpson like on like just beer like that yeah because i think they even said something or i want to say JR said something when they had beers the other night where he's like well i don't care for that
00:42:16
Speaker
He was so used to watching stone cold all those years have bush non-alcoholic Coors light It is weird in that show to just show a you know a TV beer rather than a real beer Yeah, it does make it a little more TV. It stands out a little bit more. You're like I Guess this is as good as time I need to bring this up. This is one of those things where I
00:42:45
Speaker
It makes sense for so many reasons to put those titles on FTR. And yet there's part of me in the back of my head that still thinks back to that tag match at Revolution. And part of me also sits there and thinks about how unexpectedly good that Hangman Kinney tag team thing was.
00:43:07
Speaker
And it just, it feels, this goes back to me blaming the fucking pandemic, just ruin wrestling. It feels like things may have played out a lot differently if they had been able to do the shows in front of a live crowd. I feel like there was a bit, like the hangman Kenny story would have played out a little bit quicker maybe. It just feels like it, like, I mean, not that it's the story is over. Clearly there's more stuff that's about to happen.
00:43:35
Speaker
I don't know. I don't know. FTR came to AEW within the last couple months and their tag team champions. And I'm sure that helps drive the point home that the Bucks never won the tag titles to this point. I don't know. I don't hate it, but at the same time, it's like, fuck, man. That's over. That story that they were building, I guess the story is not over, but their tag title reign is over. We'll see if they follow up with it.
00:44:05
Speaker
Good happy boys are gone. They're broken. They're an Eddie Kingston faction at this point.
WWE Storyline Updates
00:44:11
Speaker
Yes. Remember at Stadium Stampede when they were sharing a drink in the bar? That was cute. It was cute, it was adorable. Well that's over. Those days are long gone my friend. I should have savored them while we had them.
00:44:30
Speaker
So they lose the tag titles to FTR they tease and it's partly because a misplaced V trigger nails Hangman in the fucking face, right? Oh, yeah, I think it was the back of his who kids a shitty fucking nailed it was the head get him in the head fuck and then fucking they lose and
00:44:55
Speaker
And then Kenny's about to lose his fucking mind. And this is playing out beautifully, so I really don't want to make it seem like I'm complaining about how the title reign ended too much. But Kenny being the one that's frustrated at the end of this makes so much sense. And Hangman being a little bit of a sympathetic character at the end of all this makes so much sense. This has been dealing with some alcoholism. It's just coming together so very nicely.
00:45:23
Speaker
we'll see where it goes but this this slow burn heel turn for the Bucks and Kenny that's all coming at once
00:45:34
Speaker
is gonna be so fucking awesome in like a matter of months when Kenny takes the title for Moxley and the Bucks take the tag titles and they just have like the elite or fucking full fledged assholes on their own show that's named after them. Will they get to be the elite still? I think so. They should be the ones to get to keep it, right?
00:46:05
Speaker
I mean. Well this is this is the other amazing thing. So they've already if you think about it long term booking it makes so much sense if Kenny turns heel to be the one to take the title from Moxley right. Like you're with me there. Yeah. Eventually the Bucks are going to have to take the tag titles.
00:46:26
Speaker
Eventually, so like maybe they'll hold them all at the same time Maybe they won't but the point the point I'm getting to Garrett is that there's a high probability this story arc with hangman and Kenny is Going to involve Kenny taking the title from Moxley holding it for a while and hangman winning it from Kenny Kenny I like that. Yeah, right. Are you writing over there yet? I
00:46:55
Speaker
I should be. WWE stopped accepting my applications every year. Tony Khan, though, he's giving out contracts to everybody who shows up at his doorstep. So you actually go there to you apply to be a wrestler. You leave QT Marshall's manager. You get to be QT's mouthpiece. I would get QT over in two weeks.
00:47:24
Speaker
I think we can. You doubt it? No. I think we can. Look what we did to Jizz. That's true. Did he ever cash in that briefcase? I think he and Otis are sharing it and by Otis. I don't even know the guy's other name anymore. It's been so long. Tucker. Tucker. It's Tucker and Jizz officially. No. Right? No. It's Otis and Tucker.
00:47:52
Speaker
Oh, it's good coyotes. Jizz always has the, not just the money in the bank briefcase, but he's got Mandy now. And what do you think is more important, Garrett? She's not a prize to be won, Derek. That's sexist. You asked Darkwater what's most important. They're like, come in. While wearing a mask.
00:48:24
Speaker
Halloween. So yeah
Future Episode Plans
00:48:29
Speaker
no I mean I would say that by by. Oh God what are the paper what what paper views does AEW have they've got all out they've got full gear double or nothing and revolution and they've revolution. I'm betting you. By.
00:48:55
Speaker
I'm betting you by all out next year. Hangman's taking the title off, Kenny. I'll take that bet. I'm betting. What are we betting? Take that bet. A couple boxes of Claws. That's a pretty steep bet. I'm in.
00:49:15
Speaker
Keyword being buy all out next year. I think that story is going to play. I don't think they're going to wait a full because I was going to say full gear is the next pay-per-view. I don't think it's going to be all the way until that one, but I would say by next fall. Anyways. Yeah. New tag team champions. FTR. Do you think that they're working well in AEW? I think so. You think so. I didn't mean if you like having totally with them like how he just dropped Sean Spears essentially.
00:49:45
Speaker
Did he drop Sean? Or does he just got multiple guys? I mean, it's one of those things where it's like if you're dating a girl, but she's hanging out with her guy friend more than you, is she really dating you? Yes. Okay.
00:50:03
Speaker
What are you saying? She's not dating me, Derek? I'm saying that Tully is more committed to FTR than he is to Sean Spears right now. And Sean Spears is another one of those fellows that you've forgotten about that is now lost in the shuffle. Wasn't he in the Battle Royal?
00:50:20
Speaker
Ooh, that's a pretty big spot. Ooh. Yeah, ask Matt Seidel how big that spot is for your career. You need to lay off a Matt Seidel. And QT Marshall. And QT... You need to lay off my boys, my faction. And Mandy Rose. I'm trying to... Who else is in my faction of QT Marshall and Matt Seidel?
00:50:49
Speaker
people that you just refused to give up on. So it's us and Kevin Smith. So after they drop the tag offs, what matches next? Is that the mimosa mayhem? That was mimosa mayhem. Oh my goodness. I had so much fun with this. See, I was ready to see a WWE like kind of shitty match. I wasn't looking forward to.
00:51:18
Speaker
I mean, it was still a gimmicky match, but I... No, it ended up being wonderful. It was just fun. I don't think...
00:51:28
Speaker
I just there's part of me that there's still the part of me like I'm a huge pro wrestling fan. But I also there's the technical part of me that just goes the logistics of them putting in so much effort to having two vats of orange liquid on each side of it like how like that was sitting backstage and then they had to wheel those out and then like attach them to the ring basically to do like four spots where they teased going into it.
00:51:58
Speaker
Like, that was, I mean, it was fucking awesome the way it worked. I just laugh knowing like to make that thing work took a lot of effort. Did you see the picture that Jericho put on Instagram? No. He's the one that came up with the idea for it and he drew it on a piece of paper what it should look like. And I guess he gave it like seven weeks ago and it just now finally happened.
00:52:26
Speaker
Well, it went extremely well. I don't know. It looked like Orange High Sea, and that's all I kept tasting in my mouth the entire time I would see those was McDonald's, Orange High Sea. The match was so much fun, though. I was so disappointed by the second Jericho Orange Cassidy match. I'm trying to remember what the second one was it on TV.
00:52:54
Speaker
It was on Dynamite and I just... Jericho can say that they didn't botch some shit, but it looks like... It looked like Orange Cassidy didn't know how to do a dragon screw leg takedown. And he did like several of those at the end where he just like grabbed Jericho's leg and then like fell to the mat and then Jericho fell with him. But it didn't, like there was no torque to it. And then the match ended when...
00:53:17
Speaker
Cassidy did like that linchpin pin thing combination and rolled Jericho up and beat him that way. It was just, it was just anticlimactic and it really didn't establish much. And it looked like a botch or whether it was or not, it looked like a, huh, I guess that's the end. I thought the mimosa mayhem match was a lot of fun. I thought it made up for that. Um, after the Jericho Cassidy stuff is orange Cassidy officially like a top tier star now on the show?
00:53:48
Speaker
Yes. Yeah. And what's interesting about this is one of the questions I submitted for our our PTI segment that we did with the curtain jerks, I had submitted. Do you think that somebody like Orange Cassidy or Luchasaurus could ever be a world champion? According to Tony Khan, the TNT executives are fucking in love with Orange Cassidy. That's insane.
00:54:18
Speaker
It is what it is. I think one of the things that I sent to you when we were watching that match, I was like, is it wild to think that a year ago at all out, the lights went out and best friends got rescued by Orange Cassidy, but making his AEWW and we had just seen him the night before and basically a beat up gymnasium.
00:54:37
Speaker
Fighting Gangrel. Yeah. Fighting Gangrel and losing. And then a year later he's in a major feud with Chris Jericho. It's going to go down as one of Jericho's major feuds from his career. Is it really you really think so. I do. I think it's going to be a top five one people talk about. Who else is going to be in that top five. I just want to know the company that Orange Cassidy is keeping right now.
00:55:03
Speaker
Uh, his stuff with like the rock, um, his matches that he used to have with like, uh, Jericho. Um, obviously his feud with Kevin Owens, uh, his feud with edge.
00:55:19
Speaker
So he's, he's in there with some names. Yes, he's in there with some names. I think it's, and I get that it's, it's not WWE, but it's also, I mean, I guess you could argue Jericho's rivalry that he had with Goldberg as another one that is like kind of, but, but I mean, it's one that's going to get brought up. I mean, it's relevant. Jericho really committed this whole summer to getting orange Cassidy to the main event. So who do you think, uh, orange Cassidy fights next? Who's his next big feud with?
00:55:49
Speaker
I don't know. I mean and that's that's the thing is that like I go I just got done saying like I could I could totally see them at some point going for that if he can keep the moment like Jericho wasn't going to spend the whole summer getting Orange Cassidy to a main event level if he didn't see a future in it you know I mean like if it was if it was I mean I mean I guess Jericho is also the kind of guy that if he thinks something's fun he'll do it but
00:56:17
Speaker
I don't know, man. Wouldn't it be funny to see Orange Cassidy take the TNT title from Brodie Lee? Yeah, you're right. It doesn't have to be the AEW title. But if it were even just... Or do you think they'll ever do a six-man title? That's possible.
00:56:37
Speaker
I could see it seems like I will say that it's one thing that has actually been pretty consistent in AWW since day one is they've had on paper a lot of three main groups whether it's SCU or whether it's Jurassic Express or whether it's the Bucks and Kenny or whether it's best friends and Orange Cassidy. There's a lot of three man teams available if they want to go that route. Death triangle.
00:57:06
Speaker
pox can eventually be revealed as another member which you were the one that brought up to me the other day like what the fuck ever happened to death triangle and tonight Eddie Kingston even said he's like where's your other guy from across the seas well me and Eddie Kingston are on the same page what the fuck don't act like I didn't see that promo bit where you guys were being creepy and shit I remember you guys were a thing for two weeks
00:57:35
Speaker
Would you say the main event was the best match on the show? The main event was the best pure wrestling match on the show, yes. For all of the right reasons. I underestimate MJF almost every time, I think. I would love you to elaborate on that because I still, I feel like we touched on it when we did one of our quarantine episodes, but
00:58:03
Speaker
I remember feeling so let down at Revolution by his match with Cody. Did you go back and watch that? And should I revisit that and give it another chance? See, I think because of that match, I had my hopes set so high. And we've seen MJF wrestle a bunch of matches on the Endys.
00:58:22
Speaker
It was always him on the mic that blew us away. It was never what was going on in the ring. So when I see him going up against Moxley, I don't immediately get that. I didn't have that excited feeling because I never even considered that MJF could win. And when I finally got this match, I'm seeing a competitive back and forth match where MJF could have actually won that match and it would have made sense.
00:58:51
Speaker
for sure and that's the mark of a really good wrestling match is when but but I also think that there's actually just really good natural like pro wrestling chemistry between Moxley and and MJF for for reasons that have been in pro wrestling forever which is just that like
00:59:09
Speaker
Moxley is like this what what's this character's name from fucking Oliver and Company the Disney one the the dog I don't know why I'm making this comparison but Moxley is a fucking mutt right like that's his whole thing is he's just kind of a scrappy like whatever fucking I'm still just shocked you pulled Oliver and Company out is the movie
00:59:33
Speaker
He's a street dog. He's a mutt. He's a dirty son of a bitch. He's mean. He's vicious. And MJF is like the classic heel. He's snobby, stuck up, little shithead.
00:59:50
Speaker
who's so pretentious because he's like, I'm the wrestler and you're the fucking stone cold cosplayer, whatever the fucking promo was. Um, and that's just, I mean, that's a classic pro wrestling story. Is this the heel telling the baby face that you don't fucking belong here. And I just thought that they told a really good fucking story and you're 100% right. That match watching it, it could have gone either way.
01:00:17
Speaker
They did such a good job of telling, that's a perfect example. If somebody were to ask you, what do you mean when you say that pro wrestling matches tell stories, show them that match. Because the whole theme of that match was, as long as the match stays in the ring, MJF has the advantage because he's the wrestler. And if the match turns into a fight on the outside, Moxley has the advantage because he's a brawler.
01:00:44
Speaker
and they stuck to that, down to when you legitimately felt Moxley was in trouble when they did the whole, oh, he popped his shoulder out of the socket and he's fucked. The way they teased every time he would grab and go for the paradigm shift, you were like, fuck, it's about, he's gonna lose the title over getting frustrated and using his finisher when he's not allowed to. They did such a good job with that.
01:01:16
Speaker
And honestly, the finish was probably my favorite finish of the night. Because of the ring? Oh, the ring followed by the paradigm shift.
01:01:29
Speaker
And just MJF having that look on his face like, Oh fuck. Like, like he tried, like he knew the ref's back was turns and he was trying to cheat, but the way he was trying to cheat didn't work. And then he was just kind of hung out to dry. I mean, yeah. And, and, and, and Mox, didn't Moxley give like a little shrug and be like, Oh fuck it. Like, like if the ref doesn't see it, it's fair game. It's we've never had the pleasure of seeing Maxwell with a title.
01:02:01
Speaker
And I feel like he would be such a fun piece of shit to hold onto that thing. I'm excited for the, and that's the other thing. I just sat here and booked you a year's worth of the world title being taken from Moxley over to Kenny over to Hangman. But like you said, I could have seen him walking out with that title. I don't know if I want to wait that long. I want to see an MJF fucking title run. Oh, then get him versus Jungle Boy.
01:02:31
Speaker
There's so much stuff they could do with MJF as champion. But I don't know. I don't know where they go from here is apparently so all out. Give me your thoughts on the show as a whole. We'll transition from that to dynamite this week.
01:02:51
Speaker
Rough start, full on picked up towards the end though. And really, like I'd say the last three matches kind of made up for anything that happened before it. Yeah, nothing to complain about as a whole. And thank you for letting me watch along with you. That was the thing I was not planning to do 30 minutes before the show. And then you were like, hey, log in. Enjoy with me. And I did.
01:03:22
Speaker
I liked it. Let me ask you this question. Would you have rather been in attendance for this one or last year's? Probably still last year's. For the historic purposes or for the matches. Like what stands out to you about last year's show that you were glad you were there for?
01:03:49
Speaker
Well, fuck, now I was getting ready to say, well, Orange Cassidy's debut, then there was the latter match, which at the time I didn't love, but have rewatched since and I was an asshole about that one. I remember you and Queen of the Ring being mad at me because I picked that as match of the night and that ended up being the case.
01:04:18
Speaker
Yeah. What was the main event during that one? Was that Hangman versus? Hangman Jericho to declare the first ever AEW world champion. Yeah, I'm glad I was there for that. Yeah. That means, yeah, because we got to be there for the first champ and the second champ. That's true. And it's weird when you stop and think about it. It's been a year.
01:04:48
Speaker
All out a year ago, they established the world title. They've had two champions, Jericho and Moxley. They kind of split that time evenly. And that's why going back to what we were talking about earlier, when you I don't see them putting the title on Lance Archer. Like, it just seems like if they're going to go this long with a Moxley title run, they're going to make it like whoever he drops it to, it's going to be a big thing, right? It's going to be like. One of the guys that they perceived as a star in this company from the get go, which is it's got to be Kenny.
01:05:17
Speaker
It's gotta be. They just pack, and that was the other thing, they just passed up on MJF. MJF was one of the other guys that I was like, if they were gonna take the title off Moxley, that might be the other guy they do it with. Just because of the heat. That would have been such a surprise. Especially going into the match, I just, I didn't see any chance in hell for MJF. God, that was a fun one. You know what I missed, Derek? What's that?
01:05:47
Speaker
I miss Southern Underground Pro.
01:06:07
Speaker
so basement east i believe is rebuilt i think like it's officially back i think it well you know there's no shows or anything but i saw a picture of the building it looked complete okay
01:06:20
Speaker
Uh, as far as Southern Underground Pro goes, they aren't doing any shows during quarantine, but they did get announced to be part of the collective GCW. Do you remember that? I was going to go down to Tampa for the collective thing. Well, they ended up moving it to Indianapolis.
01:06:38
Speaker
And they've added on like Glory Pro, Shimmer, Southern Underground Pro, Joey Janela's Spring Break, Effie's Big Gay Brunch. I saw that there's gonna be a Twink, Twink Battle Royal or something. That sounds delightful. What else? Josh Barnett's Bloodsport. So they have part of the shows back. But either way, Southern Underground Pro gets to run again, but they're gonna do it in Indiana.
01:07:09
Speaker
And when's that? That's coming up next month. I need to look and see this thing. I think it's Saturday and that doesn't work for me. But I know Warrior Wrestling is doing a show this weekend and there's a bunch of people showing up for that. I'd like to go. I just don't think I'm going to be able to. I still have to go to work on Sunday and the idea of going to a wrestling show late on Saturday night and then being up at 4.15 sounds miserable.
01:07:35
Speaker
So I doubt it. But ZeeLo Pro is doing a show at Joe's on Weed Street here in a couple of weeks. And I consider going to that. I think the attendance is like between 50 and 75. It's indoors. It's not outdoors.
01:07:53
Speaker
it's a it's at a bar like a big country bar so they're trying to limit the number is he and it was a little pricey and that's why I've been very hesitant but I don't know what he's going by now aid in English supposed to be there no shit for sure
01:08:10
Speaker
See, that was that's one of the reasons that the collective kind of chased me off because I still had my ticket. I never got a refund on it and you could transfer it over to go to the Indianapolis one. But I found out it's all indoors. And that kind of freaked me out a little bit. Not ready for that. I don't think I'm quite ready for that, even though I have returned to the movie theater.
01:08:34
Speaker
That's different. Like you said you're going to movies and you're the only one in there. It's 100% true. I've had private screenings of nearly every movie I've gone to. I think the thing I told you, and I don't want this to be like my advice to anyone listening to this podcast, but I said, I don't, but I, but I, you know, fuck it might as well because I stand by it. I, I said to you, if you've gone to the grocery store,
01:09:00
Speaker
to get anything that's probably far more risky than you going to a fucking movie. I agree with that. Like without question. Now somebody is going to argue that going to a movie isn't a necessity and I would say that's true. However still the drastic drop in odds of something going wrong at the fucking movie theater by yourself or even if there were two or three other people there.
01:09:26
Speaker
Like you can actually social distance in a movie theater. It's fucking big. You'll be fine. What the hardest part has been like at grocery stores, people still use the main aisle to get to places that that's by the registers. And so they have like you can social distance in line as you're waiting to buy whatever you're getting at the store. But people are weaving in and out in between the people that are social distancing, which almost negates doing that at all. Where am I supposed to go, Derek?
01:09:57
Speaker
You're you're supposed to do the best you can go wherever you want. Or how many months into this fucking thing like. Yeah. So what did you what did you what did you take away from dynamite tonight because there was a lot of big stuff that happened. Miro.
01:10:21
Speaker
Yeah so rusev is officially a part of AEW. They kept that secret from us. You didn't. Did you hear a leak or a rumor about that. Nothing. Nothing at all. That was a complete surprise for me.
01:10:34
Speaker
Good on them. My roommate, Chris, will appreciate that. He said I should have taken a picture of him when he made his debut and I should have used the picture with the caption, you listen to Kanye one time and then the picture of him. He was dressing like Kanye. Fucking bleach. How do you feel that he debuted with Kip Sabian?
01:11:16
Speaker
Yeah. But there's still the part of you from a wrestling storyline perspectives that that's kind of like I kind of hope Miro beats up Kip Sabian and steals his girlfriend. Because that would make for a really fun story from my perspective right now is Miro just showing up with that WWE money and taking Penelope Ford. He likes blondes.
01:11:23
Speaker
Do you think if anything it works in Kip Sabian's favor?
01:11:41
Speaker
He likes blondes and he gets and as the other thing, Ty Conchie. She officially signed an AEW contract. I think she's actually really going to help that women's division. I think that's a really another solid performer for them. I'm not super familiar with her. So this might have been my first time seeing her. I think I first watched her.
01:12:02
Speaker
Maybe it was during the May Young Classic. They had that tournament in NXT. Okay. And I think I watched her and I remember being really impressed. So, and I think she, I don't know. I think she'll get a nice run in AEW. What else? The bucks fucking officially committing to the, we're heels. Fuck you. We super kicked the announcers now. $10,000 fine.
01:12:33
Speaker
that's nothing that's like a week's worth of merchandise sales for them that's yeah that's not even you know they wrote that new book they're number one on Barnes and Noble they'll be okay they'll be fine they can kick anyone they want it's like back in WCW when they banned the jackknife powerbomb from Kevin Nash and Hogan was like hey keep doing it I'm rich
01:12:57
Speaker
I'll pay those fines, Kevin. Is that real? They banned. That was a real story. That was a storyline or? It was a storyline. So the story was that I can't remember what pay-per-view it was, but they had Kevin Nash tried to jackknife Powerbomb the giant.
01:13:15
Speaker
And he ended up almost breaking his neck because he picked him up. And the weight of the giant is just too much. And he dropped him on the back of his neck. And so JJ Dillon and WCW banned Kevin Nash and said if he uses it, they're going to find him and possibly criminally prosecute him. And I guess Hogan was like, I'm Hulk Hogan. I've got a lot of money. Keep doing it. It's funny to me. That was a story in pro wrestling history brought to you by your local pro wrestling fan, me.
01:13:47
Speaker
Man, this felt good to be back.
01:13:53
Speaker
You're not going to elaborate more on that cake party that FTR threw. Oh, fuck. Yeah, that cake party. Everybody got a piece. No one went through the cake. That might be the first cake in wrestling history that no one fell into it. That's true. It was just legitimately served up along with beer. Yeah, that's yeah. I mean, I've definitely had beer and cake before, but it's not my favorite.
01:14:18
Speaker
Sounds gross. I think I've had it too, but just saying it out loud. Did you notice that one of the FTR guys got his hand busted open and was bleeding? What happened? He rolled out of the ring trying to avoid the cake. It seems like a dangerous worker. They might want to get those titles off them pretty quickly. Did anybody check in on him? Did they stop that segment? He seems accident prone.
01:14:48
Speaker
Um, the, the, no, like I said earlier, the Kenny Omega one-on-one with, with Jim Ross was really good and has me looking forward to whatever dickish singles career Kenny's about to have. I also thought the hangman interview with Shivani was good. Um, cause again, now hangman's a sympathetic character with an alcohol problem. So.
01:15:11
Speaker
I'm excited for Santana Nortese versus best friends next week. That may be the best feud in AEW right now. We didn't really talk about it a whole lot, but they've done such a good job of blending like actual rivalry shit, but comedy because they just keep going back to the fact that Trent's mom's minivan got fucked up and there has been no retribution for that.
01:15:38
Speaker
like Santano and Ortiz have been true dicks. Um, and they have not got their comeuppance. I want that shirt so bad, Derek. Um, so I'll tell you this, I took off, I'm using some vacation time from work in about a month. And so tonight when they made the announcement that like, I think I can't remember what the, it's in the middle of October, October 14th or whatever, they're doing the Lance Archer, John Moxley match on dynamite.
01:16:07
Speaker
I'm looking forward to that. That's kind of cool. And this is what's so different from WWE who has a paper. What the fuck happened like three weeks ago. They did summer slam and then like the next Sunday they had another pay per view. Oh payback yet literally the next Sunday.
01:16:25
Speaker
Like, what the fuck? Like, there's a quarantine. You can literally schedule this shit whenever you want. You have the network. But they were like, nah, let's give them another one. So everything's going so well right now. Just throw some more shit at the wall. But what I was going to say about AEW, it's so cool because their pay-per-views are spaced out. They have the occasional really big dynamite where there's a title match that you can't miss because it's a big fucking show.
01:16:53
Speaker
And I'm already looking forward to a dynamite that's a month away. So. Are you looking forward to any raws a month or two from now? I saw clips of Kevin Owens facing Aleister Black on Raw Underground Monday, and it looked cool as shit.
01:17:12
Speaker
but I didn't watch raw. Okay, so yeah, I'm completely off WWE. I don't know what's going on over there. Did I see though that Roman Reigns is a heel with Paul Heyman?
01:17:25
Speaker
Roman Reigns. See, this is the glorious thing about social media. I don't have to waste three hours of my time watching a show. I can just go to WWE's feed and scroll for 30 seconds and I'm caught up. I know everything that happened. I got all the highlights. Maybe you guys need to rethink your business model and stop giving everything away for free. Um,
01:17:48
Speaker
Actually, if they didn't, I don't know if anybody would care. That's too much effort for what you're giving out. But yes, Roman Reigns came back.
01:17:58
Speaker
Bray Wyatt won the title from Braun Strowman and then Roman Reigns is like, I got a contract for my title rematch for the universal championship and the cash is an end. He's got Paul Heyman. Now he's the champ. Now they're just doing like they're turning Roman Reigns into the Yankees. Like they're just like, fuck it. That's how you view him. He's a, he's a Dick and Paul Heyman is with him. So now you're extra upset. Uh, he's the new Lesnar be angry. Um,
01:18:25
Speaker
So yes, Roman Reigns is finally a heel when it's like three years too late. So once again, that theme continues. Turn him heel. We hear you. The fucking delay reaction from the writers room. Well, the problem is we give them ideas and then they have to write it down at the end and they've got to get through everything before they can get to it.
01:18:55
Speaker
It's a very long process, Vince, to go through when he hears suggestions from fans. He's got to run it by the stockholders. He's got to run it by his kids. He's got to see if Paul likes it or hates it. And then if Paul hates it, he definitely wants to go with it.
01:19:13
Speaker
So yeah, Roman Reigns is the heel and he's the champ over on Smackdown. It sounds like Smackdown has been doing some decent stuff lately. They've got like a dual title situation where you remember how Sammy's aim was the Intercontinental Champion and then they like basically stripped him of the title and because he didn't want to wrestle during the pandemic. Well, now he's back and I can't remember who's actually Intercontinental Champion, but Sammy's got a title too. So now there's two Intercontinental Championships over there.
01:19:41
Speaker
And they're doing the whole, I'm the real champion. No, I'm the real champion thing. So it sounds like SmackDown's doing some okay things, but I'm not tuning in. It's Friday night, man. Like I got shit to do. I got shit I gotta do. It's a pandemic. I got to stay at home and not watch SmackDown. Yep. This has been fun, Garrett. I miss this. Do you think we shook off any of the ring rust yet?
01:20:11
Speaker
I think we have. And this was fun doing it face to face for the first time too. Are we gonna be back next week? If you want to. I think we should. What if I watch SmackDown? You're free to watch as much SmackDown as you want, man.
01:20:31
Speaker
Well, we can finally, uh, man, I'm just happy to be back. I'm ready to talk some GCW. There was a paper we were so late into this. We're not going to do it this time, but there was a GCW show over the weekend and there's a tag team I'm very excited about. Well, we'll talk about that and other things next week on predetermined a pro wrestling hangout hit our goddamn music.