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Speaker: It isn't so good just because it's this time of our life. I think it would be good no matter when you are in your life stages because of the experience.
Speaker: Hey, everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Unprofessional Opinion. I'm Heather, and I'm joined by my friend Kara today. Yay. Yes. Thanks, Heather, for having me. Welcome back to my living room. Yeah. Love your living room. I missed it. I know. I know. Since last night. It's good to see you again. I know. I know. Last night was so fun. It was fun. I'm glad that we got together. So Kara's visiting from London, for those that don't know.
Speaker: Yeah, it was a rainy day, very dreary. Brought the London weather. Oh my gosh. With me to dollars. Right? Yeah. Cool. But good for us to get out and about. I know. On a rainy day in your late 20s. Yeah. You know, sometimes you just want to lay in bed and watch a show on a Friday night. I know. I know. I'm glad you guys came out and I met the new boy, Spud. Spud. Even though he doesn't look like a potato. His name is not Spud, but we're calling him Spud. This is the nickname to be fun. No, it does not look like a potato. No. It's an inside joke from
Speaker: New Girl, if you guys watch New Girl, it's one of the funniest shows ever. Oh, yeah. It's so good. It's so good. But no, it was so good meeting him. But you met my boyfriend. Yes, he is wonderful, which I'm not surprised, honestly, because you're wonderful. Oh, you're so sweet. No, it was great, though. He's so nice. He's so great. Oh, my gosh. And you got to meet our UK friends that just came here, so that was good. Yes, I'm so excited. Yeah. They're going to love
Speaker: It's so much different though. I was asking them the difference between, you know. It's going to be a culture shock. Yes. Yeah. For sure. But I think they're going to have a lot of fun. Just same as you've had fun in London too. Yeah. Yeah. No, for sure. It was good. Bring in the worlds together. Yeah. Which was nice. I know. And then your sister was there too. Yes. Your sweet little sis. It turned into a little party. I know. With eight of us. I know. It was a solid group. And then we went to get drinks afterwards. Yeah. Something like going.
Speaker: We're cool cats. We are cool. It's about time. It's only been almost 30 years. We pick at 30. The best years are yet to come. Exactly. The time is now. Okay, but I'm so pumped that you are one here in the States, so we can record this. Virtually would have been just as great, and I would love to have you on later because I'm sure there's other cool things to talk about.
Speaker: But it's awesome that you're here and we could talk about this specific topic about living abroad. So you've been in London a year and I know you can go into it. But for today's episode, a question that I know you personally have been asked that you've told me is someone's considering moving abroad. What should they do? What are the pros and cons to moving abroad?
Speaker: et cetera, and what better person than my friend from London who's literally in town in Dallas to have this conversation with? No, for sure. I mean, one, I think if anyone is considering moving abroad, what I would say is just do it.
Speaker: Don't think too much about it, because if you think too much about it, you're going to scare yourself out of it. Or you're going to have all these thoughts in your head of like, well, what if this happens while I'm gone? Or what if this happens when I'm gone? And then you might not ever do it. And it's like, you only live once. When else can you go? Are you using a yellow? A yellow moment. Yes, a yellow moment, bringing it all the way back to like 2006. Yellow. I was going to say, that feels like a sixth grade thing I've said.
Speaker: Yeah, 100%. Was it sixth grade or were we a little bit older? It's always easy to remember. So 2006, 2006 grade, 2007, seventh grade. And our, because you're 29? Yeah. Yeah. So that's how it was with us growing up. Makes it easy. All the years before and after. So sorry, guys. You don't get the benefit of being able to track your grades this way.
Speaker: Yeah. At least that was sixth grade, but it was when we were younger. It was when we were younger. Not exactly when, but yeah, you do only live once. It is true. If you get the opportunity, 100 % take it. It was other than marrying my husband, the best decision in my life, truly. That's awesome.
Speaker: It is completely natural to have those fears of, I'm going to miss out on milestones for my friends and my family. That has been extremely difficult with Kylie being pregnant and expecting the first baby of the family. It's hard to miss that. And you're going to be abroad when she has the baby, too. Yes.
Speaker: But you can always come back. Yeah, for sure. And the life experience, one, we're only there temporarily. So we're only there for two years. So that makes it easy. Anyone can do anything for two years. Yeah, no kids. No kids. Your parents can watch the dogs. Yep, parents have the dogs. You're able to be flexible, fortunate enough at this time. For sure. Yeah. For sure. No, it's been such a blessing. I think just the experience that we've had and
Speaker: Also, just getting to experience a different culture. I think you think of the UK and London, and it's an English -speaking country, so you think, oh, it'll be easy. They're just like us. Yeah, they're just like us, but it is a completely different culture, and that's been so cool just to be completely in it, and then working with a lot of people that are from the UK or from different countries. Not just traveling and embracing yourself.
Speaker: living there and immersing yourself. What was the difference between traveling to say London and then living there? Is it just you just feel more immersed in, I guess, the culture and the difference? Oh, 100%. I mean, when you're traveling, I feel like you're going, you're seeing a lot of things. You might get a little bit of it. You might get a bit of the pub culture and just the hustle and bustle of London, but I don't think you really understand how
Speaker: the people are until you're like in it for a while. And then I think you just start appreciating it even more once you're truly immersed in it and living it day to day. So I think just anytime you get a chance to like live abroad or go someplace for a long period of time, just do it. I think it's just going to help you develop and grow so much. That's awesome. Yeah, you and I were talking about this and we were comparing notes for today's episode and
Speaker: I have this toxic trait of any time I travel anywhere, whether that's domestically or internationally, that I'm moving there. I can move there. I can do this. I can make this happen. My job can be transferred. If not, I'll find a new one. Honestly, and I feel like, okay, I'm the exact same way. Every time I go someplace, I'm like, we went to Madrid, Spain last year, last year, and I was like, all right, Dean, this is next on the list. We're moving to Madrid.
Speaker: I love it. I can learn Spanish. I can do it. But I'm the exact same way. I feel like once you do take yourself out of your comfort zone and live abroad, you do feel more confident that you can do it. I feel like it's kind of opening a can of worms a little bit, but in a good way. It makes you feel more confident in yourself and accomplish that you can be brave. You can go do something that's hard and make it really special and great.
Speaker: But no, I'm the same way. What was it like when you first moved? Let's say the first couple of weeks. Oh, gosh. One, you're jet lagged. Two, you don't have a bank account. You don't have a phone. It's all the basics. Yes. You need to go get towels, little things like that. Because really, what could you bring with you? What did you bring with you? So how it worked is they did an air shipment and then a water shipment by boat.
Speaker: All of our stuff came like four weeks after we moved for the most part. And so we just packed up, I think four big suitcases of what we could fit in those four big suitcases to last us for a month. Wow. And yeah, so pretty much just clothes. And your car inside. You sell your cars? Yeah, we sold both cars. We were just renting. You sold all of the Priuses that Dean has.
Speaker: Jesus. Does he still have the Priuses? No, thank God. The Priuses are our IP. Can you share this side hustle about the Priuses? I think it's super cool. He did well, right? He did do well, yeah.
Speaker: Okay, so you were like, I wasn't prepared. I wasn't prepared for this. And it's still a soft spot. Obviously, I'm so I heard I saw the big sigh. I'm sorry for bringing up the soft stuff. No, it was just so funny. Okay, so my husband, he's from South Africa. He is one of the hardest working people I've ever met. Like he just wants to do well. And he's extremely motivated of like,
Speaker: He wants to not work for someone someday. He has this very strong mindset of starting a new business and all this. Well, when we first started dating, I was like 23, 24. So we were pretty young. Well, Dean all of a sudden is telling me, yeah, I bought a couple Priuses. I mean, it's a car. It's not just a small thing of change lying around. And I'm just going to rent them out to people. And I was like, what?
Speaker: What? I mean...
Speaker: Why? Why? He's a modern day hurts. Yeah. He's a modern day hurt. So like, yeah, we had all these like little Priuses out front of our apartment and people would come and rent them and was it short term or was it a little bit longer? Sometimes it was long term. Like people would have it for like a year better. He made a profit. Oh yeah. The short term would be, I think it's, what is it? There's some company, anyway, like the short term, it's like, that's a thing now people can do. It's like an Airbnb or verbal. Yeah. Yeah. But that seems more, more liability.
Speaker: I mean, there was definitely some issues with it. Yeah, people wrecking the Priuses, you know. Oh, the poor Prius. I know. Oh my gosh. They took a hard hit, but that's no more. I mean, he's doing other things now. But it was a cool thing that he did. Yeah, it was some extra cash. The Priuses are now gone. They're now gone. We sold all of them. I think there was like eight. Wow. Yeah, he really had a fleet. Truly a fleet. I didn't realize it was that many. I thought it was like three.
Speaker: No, I think it started off pretty small. He just kept buying. I think he started selling them all off. Then his family was wanting to buy some. It just kept growing, I don't know. He's just monopolizing all the Priuses in the DFW area. By the time we have a house, we got to move on from the Priuses. Can you imagine us have a little circle driveway and all these Priuses were just parked inside?
Speaker: That's the dream, right? That's the dream. It did work out though. Okay, but we were talking about sold all the cars. Sold all the cars. Sold our personal cars as well. Yeah, just picked up and moved. It was crazy. It was so fast and furious. I think leading up to it, there was just so much to do when it comes to the visas. My parents were taking our dogs, which was like
Speaker: just a lot to think about having the apartment subleased and I don't know, it was a lot. Getting there, it felt stressful, but I had the benefit Dean's moved from a different country before. That's true. Him coming from South Africa to the US, he already knew
Speaker: What things we need to do right away and also he just had like a calmness to him cuz like I felt like my life was getting flipped upside down and even though I was excited about it. It's a huge change. It's a huge change. But he like helped ground me through it which I think made it a lot easier. It's just a moving in general the moving process. It's so stressful and having a partner.
Speaker: And just the community around you, that's chill. Yeah. It's not going to stress you out more. I feel like it's so helpful. It really is. But moving internationally, there's so many little logistical pieces. I feel like that just make it more stressful. And just not having a car over there. Yeah. It's like you just get used to things. You got to get around on foot. Is that all you do, is just walk around? Oh, yeah. Is there scooters there?
Speaker: Yeah, but I don't skitter. I'm not good on wheels, you know? You're one of the people that the helmets needed for. Yes. Yes. Okay. No, walk on foot everywhere or just take the tube. Awesome. Yeah, on the tube, of course. Yeah, which is too crazy. I have to take the tube in case I went there. Yeah. No, but it's been wonderful. I think it's been
Speaker: challenging, but in a really good way. Yeah. Okay. So what's the... Well, I guess one question I have. Did you ever have a feeling of I made the wrong decision or did you feel pretty set? You had made your decision ahead of time and you weren't really going to go back on it.
Speaker: Honestly, I didn't. I feel like I was really lucky not to have that because I did hear other people that have done this before, say after the first six months having this, should I have done this? Which is the hardest part of anything. Yeah. I think it really helped because as soon as I moved to the UK, we immediately had to go to a work trip to South Africa. I got to see Dean's family.
Speaker: having that right off the bat, even though it was hard landing and then like a week or two later having to fly all the way to South Africa.
Speaker: It kind of made it feel just right. This is why we're here. Dean's getting to see his family so much more because we're over here, and it's worth it. So I think having that happen right off the bat, even though it was stressful, helped ease that. But honestly, we've been having such a good time. Work's been tough, but life -wise, we are just maximizing it. You may be peaking. Do you feel? Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. I mean, I'm so jealous of all the trips that you're going on. I'm living through you. It's crazy. Even just at drinks last night, we were talking about skiing and like, oh yeah, I'm going to the, was it the French Alps? Yeah. Yeah. We're going to the French Alps over the holiday or what was it for? Yeah. My friend's turning 30. Turning 30. Yeah. And I look over at Spud and I go,
Speaker: So casual. I'm just going to the French Alps. That's so crazy. That is such a pro. I mean, you're already there. If people want to go to the French Alps from the States, it's a whole trip you're planning out there. It's just much different. It is. You're already out there to explore new countries. I feel like with work, you're able to do that. For sure.
Speaker: It's just awesome. If you lived in the States and you didn't take the sleep to go there, you would have never seen all these countries for a fact. It would have always been like a what if. If we didn't do it, we always would have been like, what did we miss out on? I'm so glad we're getting to do it. It was honestly such a good point of our lives, but I even think talking to one of my friends who was living in London who I was working with, she grew up in a family that
Speaker: lived abroad in several different countries. And talking to her more about it even made me realize that it isn't so good just because it's this time of our life. I think it would be good no matter when you are in your life stages because of the experience. And I feel like even - I know you're talking about, and she's talked to me about it before too. And that's really interesting though, because sometimes you can hear of the challenges of growing up in different countries and cultures. But when she's talked about it, at least to me,
Speaker: It's always been positive. I think she really had a positive experience from it. And I'm sure it was hard. And I'm sure it was hard on her parents at certain points, 100%. But the pros outweigh the cons. Yeah. And I think of who she is as a person is because of these experiences. And that's why she's so great, you know? And why she can interact with so many different types of people so well. That's a good point. And all of her experience that she has has made her so well -rounded. Yeah. And I think she truly sees that. Oh, go ahead. She doesn't see it as like,
Speaker: Oh, my parents were always moving us. We never got settled. I think it's still a benefit even if you have kids or single or whatever. Yeah. Your husband or wife or you get an opportunity to go and you have kids, it shouldn't deter you. It could be a positive as well. For sure. From your kids' perspectives too. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Biggest con, what would you say it would be living abroad? Oof.
Speaker: The biggest con is you do miss out on important milestones for your people. And they miss out on important milestones for you as well. It's harder to get back here because it's expensive to fly back to the US. And I think that can be tough. But then your people are always going to be your people. And you're always going to stay in touch with them. And you're going to make up that time.
Speaker: But that is the hardest part, missing out. I'm going to try your sister's pregnant. Yeah, my sister having a baby, going to miss out on that. And I'm still going to be there, but not in the way that I imagined I would have been if I were to have stayed in Dallas. And I don't know, just things like that. My friend last year got married, one of my best friends. And she was going through all this wedding planning and things like that, which I knew if I was here, I would have partaked in a lot of maybe more discussions.
Speaker: being there and I was really only there for the bachelorette party and the wedding when that would have been different. But overall, still no regrets. That's the hard pill to swallow sometimes. I could definitely see that.
Speaker: I don't know. That's out. I mean, if I were asked to move abroad, it would be really hard to convince me just to be honest. Yeah. Even, and I know like just do it. It would be great. But for me, at least sharing my unprofessional opinion that no one's asked before my, I mean, you've met my mom. She's literally an angel that's not walking on earth. She's amazing. She's incredible. And she told her, yeah. And if I were to move abroad, what if something happened? Yeah.
Speaker: So that is the biggest piece for me. Even just moving further away from Dallas, because I'm from Arkansas, that is what's most scary. Just because we've talked about life is short, things can change on a dime. But at the same time, you can't be scared of
Speaker: the what ifs. Yeah. I mean, you just can't. We're not promised each day. Yeah. And regardless of age. So I don't know, but that's just honestly, that's what scares me the most. I totally would do it, but that's the number one thing. And so it's from missing out. It's like missing out on what if you only have one more year with someone? Yeah. No, 100%. That is warranted. Yeah.
Speaker: I totally understand where that's coming from, and I think it's always like, at the end of the day, you got to make the best life decision for you. I thought the same thing. More about my grandma, though, to be honest. I was like, okay, what if, because I didn't spend Thanksgiving at home, things like that. It's like you're missing out on holidays with these people.
Speaker: But I think for at least my family, they were very supportive of me doing it. They were like, we do not want you to hold back for us. And we would not want you to hold back this experience for us. But it was having very real conversations with them because that was something where I was also, what if something were to happen? That's like you also can't live that way because you get stuck where you're at or don't fully exert yourself
Speaker: like you fully could, you know? So, I don't know. It's tough though. I know. It's a tough balance, but you just have to sit with yourself and think about it. Spend a lot of time on it and make sure it's the right decision for you. Yeah, it's never an easy decision for sure. And there's definitely like, you see it and you're like, oh, yeah, you're traveling, you know, it's so much fun. You see the Instagram and all like the photos, but it is like to be lonely sometimes and missing out on holidays and seeing all your friends together. You're like, dang.
Speaker: I miss them. So it is constantly remind yourself like, Hey, I'll be there when I'm, I'm going to be there in like a year. The pros are out way in the cons. Yeah. The pros are out way in the cons right now. Yeah. And speaking of pros, okay. We've talked about being able to travel. What would you say is like the biggest pro of living abroad? Being able to travel. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. A hundred percent travel. I think it's like all that comes with traveling too. So I feel like.
Speaker: when you travel, you get to experience a different culture, you get to experience the food, the vibes, how people do things. That was one of the biggest eye -opening things for me because I grew up in Oklahoma. When we went on vacation, we would go to vacation to Florida or South Carolina. We went to Branson, Missouri. Yeah. Did you go to Branson? I have before. What did you think of it? It was fine.
Speaker: I mean, yeah, those were our vacations that are Florida. Yeah. It's like, which I loved, you know, growing up. But it's different than your vacations now. Yeah. It's like, you're always around like the same type of people, you know, a lot of the same mindset. Yeah. And that was really interesting, getting to spend more time abroad, just because you kind of get to see how different cultures handle family and how they raise their kids.
Speaker: and how they interact with each other and how is that different from how we interact with each other here in the US. I think we've gotten to see what we like, what we don't like, what we want to bring back here with us when we go back to the US. You've even told me when you do move back eventually that you don't want to just come back to the people you were when you were in Dallas. You want to just have the same mentality of still traveling a lot and exploring
Speaker: just have keep that mentality when you come back to the States. For sure. For sure. And I think too, I feel like over in Europe and the UK, there's like such a beautiful thing that they have going on of just like simplicity. They don't need a ton. They don't want a ton. And they live close together. And they truly seem just so much more tolerable of each other over there, which I find
Speaker: so nice. I feel like sometimes like in the US, you have your own, your big house, your yard, and it becomes kind of central focused. And that's something that Dean and I have talked a lot about, of like, we want to make sure we move back here, we keep that sense of community, of like having dinner parties, having people over, spending a lot of time together. It's not about how much money you have or anything, it's just the people that you're with. Yeah, that's what's important. I love that. Like those memories that you're making, that's at the end of the day,
Speaker: all you're going to take off this earth is that. And that's the benefit to travel in general. So definitely travel, get out there, explore other cultures. Um, but yeah, even outside of that, being able to go to South Africa and see their culture and obviously been there many of times with you, but that's just so cool. It's amazing. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Do you have any crazy stories or fun stories while you've been there? Jeez. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure I can think of a 10 something about like,
Speaker: London, which I absolutely love London, I love the people, I love the culture, I love everything about it. But sometimes it really does feel like an alternate universe. You want to see people doing stuff and you're like, if I saw that here, I'd probably be like, what in the world is going on? But you see it then you're just like, oh, just another day in London. What's an example of this?
Speaker: This is such a stupid story. It's probably like you had to be there, but I was with friends and we were sitting outside of a pub and we're just sitting there talking and there's this guy who comes up and he has, I swear to God, probably like freaking 40 books in his hands. Like I don't even know how he's holding all these books, but he just like comes up right behind me and like touches me and is like, you want a book? And I'm like, just sitting there at the bar, like just crap like that happens all the time.
Speaker: No. Was he weird? Yes. Okay. Very strange. But like, I don't know, just weird stuff like that. Was he weird for London or just weird? In general, no. Okay. No, just anywhere. So it was a weird thing to happen in general, but that's normally what you're saying to happen in London. Yeah, you just have like weird stuff where you're like... Huh? Did you just shake a book? No. I'm trying to pub. I don't know. I'm trying to do it myself. I don't know. Maybe it's a light read at the pub.
Speaker: True. True. Maybe they had thorns and roses. Maybe they had fourth wing. Yeah. You could have discovered fourth wing. If he would have had that, I would have grabbed a book for sure. But if he had had the last copy of Iron Flame. Yeah. Yeah. Freaking love that book. But I don't know. I don't know where he got the book. I don't know why he thought to touch me.
Speaker: Just like random stuff. Yeah, just like touching someone you don't know, you know, it could be just odd. Okay, I get that. No, I mean, there's like a lot of things where you just are kind of like, you just kind of laugh. But I can't even like - Please go with it. I can't really even like think of anything on the top of my head, but yeah. But it's just different. It's just different. Cultural differences. I don't even know if that was a cultural difference. I think it's just like a big city and like some, you know, if you're in New York, you're gonna see some like interesting things happen and some interesting people. It's probably the same thing. Yeah.
Speaker: where you're just like. London's a big city. It really is. It's huge. Yeah. It shocked me, which might show my lack of travel before I moved there. But I did not realize how massive London was. Is it compared to Dallas? Or is it bigger? Oh, it's bigger. It's bigger. New York City. Really? Yeah, it's huge. So I think I told you that I went there for 23 hours. Grace and I had a layover after Italy and all of that. And we were like, let's, because she had studied abroad there. And she walked by the FSU area where she had stayed and all of that.
Speaker: So anyway, she was like, let's extend it as long as we can to slay over and 23 hours is the longest that you can extend a layover for.
Speaker: And we didn't sleep. I think we had a hotel, but we maybe slept two or three hours because, I mean, we just walked around all of London. Big Ben was under construction at the time, so that was kind of like sad. And you could see on the outside a little bit, but it was so fun. I mean, I loved the tube. I thought the tube was the coolest thing ever. So much cleaner than New York. Oh yeah, for sure. Oh my gosh. The whole city is cleaner, honestly. I've seen homeless men pee on the subway in New York before, right in front of me. That won't happen in the tube. No, it won't.
Speaker: Those are things that yeah, so the different levels of weird. Yeah
Speaker: between New York and London. Yeah, there are different levels. Still, you know, London can be weird, but honestly, in such a weirdly good way. Yeah. What's like a like a Friday night or Saturday night at London? What do people typically do? Well, I'm sure people do a lot of things. I think it just depends on your interests. And that's like such a cool thing about the city. There's always something to do. There's so many shows that you can go watch. There's always going to be events or comedians that are there if that's what you like.
Speaker: There's tons of clubs. I'm not girl. No, I'm not clapping. I like the answer to that
Speaker: I'm not clubbing. I'm like a girl that wants just to get like a half pint at a pub where I can talk to someone. Which half pint is new to me. When we were at a, getting drinks last night, you're like, I'm so used to a half pint. It's so much better because I don't want a full heavy beer. I just want like half a beer. It stays cold the whole time. You can like drink it easily. It's just half a beer. Yeah. That's all it is. And I'm like, genius. Why haven't we thought of this? So everybody gets, like if you order a beer in London, you're getting a half pint. You can order a pint. Okay.
Speaker: I mean, I drink a half pint. You drink a half pint. Well, the fact that they offer that. Yeah, it's nice. It is nice. I mean, in America, we overindulge. Yeah, a little bit. Especially Texas, things are bigger. Yeah, I do miss the text mix. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Text mix. Yeah, what's the food like? It's a lot of beans, no? Beans? I think I had breakfast there one time. Yeah, I guess they'd be beans for breakfast. It was like beans and eggs and, well, eggs is normal. But it was that, yeah, mushrooms and veggies is different. I mean, it was all good and healthy stuff. Yeah.
Speaker: Yeah. I mean, the food is great in London. Yeah. I don't know if like, I love British food. Okay. But just they have all different types of cuisine. But they have all different types of food. Yeah. And like some British foods are really good, but I feel like in London, you have all walks of life from all over. So you have a really good Italian and Indian food and Thai food. It's just the food's amazing. Sushi would be good too. Yeah. Sushi's good. Yeah. It's good. I love sushi. I know. But probably not Texanex is good out there.
Speaker: I don't even have any Mexican places, do you? They actually do have a Tex -Mex place. I think it's called De Grande, which is so crazy. It's actually a guy that's from Dallas who lives in London with his wife, and they opened De Grande for a big D. Oh my gosh. And it's a Tex -Mex place. That sounds awesome. So went there. It was actually pretty good, but there's not like a ton of Tex -Mex. Yeah. And it does taste a little bit different because the ingredients are like
Speaker: think a little bit better in the UK sometimes. So just tastes a little bit different. Yeah. Not as greasy. Okay. Yeah. That sounds better. Yeah. You know what we have here. Yeah. That's awesome. Okay. Well, to wrap up this episode, what would you say main takeaways are if someone's thinking about moving besides just doing it?
Speaker: Yeah, I mean, honestly, my recommendation because I have done it, yeah, is just do it. I think just because despite the fears, despite the what ifs, it really does feel like such a good experience. And even when it's hard, it still feels like the right decision. And I think if you do get the opportunity, and if it is right for you and your family, and the timing seems doable, just take that leap of faith. I think it's going to work out for for you and
Speaker: in the best way. That's awesome. Well, thanks so much for sharing all this. Yes, thanks for having me. This has been so fun. I know. I'm so glad that we were able to record this and just hang out even more. I know. Me too. Before you leave at NPM today. I know. I was actually excited when you said that you were leaving later. Yes. It's great. I can see you today. Hang out for a bit. I know. Do a quick podcast and then fly home. Fly home. What time are you going to get back then? I land at 12 PM tomorrow. Yeah, so sleep on the flight. Yeah, I'll sleep on the flight.
Speaker: got iron flame them and be rooting through. So, you know, I'll be able to keep myself busy for a bit. Yeah. Well, you're probably finished a thing because you're almost done. I'm almost done. Wow. You go girl. I love it. Well, thanks so much for listening guys. We'll see you next time. Bye. Bye.
