The Pack

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Speaker: This particular episode of Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer covers and discusses subjects such as sexual assault and cannibalism, so please do be aware of that when you're listening.

Speaker: Previously on... Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Speaker: So this whole episode is about parallels, and this is where Buffy realises that she has to be two different people, and she has to sacrifice one or the other.

Speaker: So you have Owen, which is

Speaker: the Buffy who is the normal girl and then you've got the Giles side, the Slayer side.

Speaker: And it's that moment when Buffy kind of realises, oh, he wants the excitement, the danger, the sort of unpredictability and she hasn't got time for that.

Speaker: Hello and welcome back to Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Speaker: We're on to episode six of season one, which is called The Pack.

Speaker: So we're halfway through season one.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Time flies.

Speaker: And this is a particularly short season.

Speaker: It is.

Speaker: By Buffy standards.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: What do you think overall to this episode?

Speaker: I don't want to put everybody on a downer, but I struggle with this episode.

Speaker: It's very depressing in a lot of ways.

Speaker: There are a lot of moments that make me feel quite uncomfortable.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But, you know, it's well made and I get why things happen the way they do.

Speaker: There's a point to it.

Speaker: But I still, yeah, it's still a very uncomfortable watch.

Speaker: At times, I would say painful.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: There's a lot of very dark subjects that arise throughout the episode.

Speaker: But yeah, it's probably my least favourite episode of season one.

Speaker: So, interestingly though, this was Joss Whedon's favourite episode.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Which, yeah.

Speaker: That is interesting.

Speaker: Take that information away and

Speaker: do it with what you will.

Speaker: But yes, to be fair, there's a lot of not nice subjects about it, you know, and it is essentially it's about predators and them taking the forms of being bullies in school.

Speaker: And I think it's an important subject that they addressed quite early on.

Speaker: But yeah, it's so it makes it makes my skin crawl.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I mean, I suppose, you know, it's probably supposed to do that if it doesn't have that effect on you.

Speaker: then yeah, I'd worry about, I'd worry about anyone that isn't affected by this in some way.

Speaker: But yeah, the show does that so well in general, you know, all the metaphors for real life problems, I suppose, or situations.

Speaker: We see it time and time again throughout the show.

Speaker: And I'd say probably this episode is the one where the parallels are

Speaker: much more prevalent in the fact that this is the supernatural element and this is the natural parallel that this is representing in Buffy world.

Speaker: I think this is potentially the one that you can learn lessons from very...

Speaker: I say it's subtle, but it's not.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: In that.

Speaker: So this episode, it starts at the zoo, Sunnydale Zoo, because every town has its own zoo.

Speaker: And we're introduced to some new characters immediately.

Speaker: So we know that these guys are going to feature...

Speaker: And they are, I'm going to call them the twat gang until we can think of anything better for them.

Speaker: So these guys are just bullies and they catch up with Buffy who's having a little wanderer around and they try and picking on her, which is really rich.

Speaker: considering her ability to beat people up, which they even point out.

Speaker: And very quickly, again, the writers just explain they're at the zoo.

Speaker: It's a day trip for the school.

Speaker: Xander and Willow have to convince Buffy that this is a brilliant idea.

Speaker: because they're not actually having to sit lessons.

Speaker: Even Willow considers this a winning formula.

Speaker: And then we are then introduced to another character called Lance, who is the bullied person.

Speaker: And as we were saying, this is a really great episode for showing parallels, but this is just pure, this is not supernatural in any way.

Speaker: This is just pure arsehole behaviour from mean school kids.

Speaker: Lance is obviously a very quiet, astute and well-read student, and they're just picking on him because of that.

Speaker: And Principal Flutie, I love this guy.

Speaker: Scene-stealer.

Speaker: He does.

Speaker: He steals every scene apart from his jacket.

Speaker: His jacket steals the scene.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: So he definitely has the same outlook as Xander and Willow when it comes to day trips because there's no way that he would wear this jacket at school.

Speaker: So this is his going out jacket.

Speaker: Which I love about it.

Speaker: This is the best bit.

Speaker: And I think, again, you mentioned actually that you've been in situations like this where the teacher is aware that something wrong is occurring.

Speaker: And they put the bullied kid on the spot and say, is everything okay?

Speaker: Yeah, which is just the wrong approach completely.

Speaker: You kind of just, you know, everyone's looking at you.

Speaker: So you're like, oh, no, everything's fine.

Speaker: You don't want to rock the boat too much.

Speaker: Nothing's going on.

Speaker: Because you're just like Lance in this situation.

Speaker: He obviously thinks if I dump them in it, they're going to torment me even more.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And so Lance does what is essentially the wrong thing and says, no, it's fine.

Speaker: It's not a problem.

Speaker: And the gang, the twat gang, they go, oh, good on you, Lance.

Speaker: Well done.

Speaker: Come with us now.

Speaker: You're part of the gang.

Speaker: Let's head towards this hyena house because that's a really good idea.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Which, of course, is closed.

Speaker: It's all taped off and it has flashing amber lights and all sorts.

Speaker: It's, you know, it's a do not cross line.

Speaker: Buffy and Willow see them go in and you get again this very short interaction where Buffy takes over.

Speaker: She said, I'll go and sort this out.

Speaker: And Xander is the one who's like, no, no, no.

Speaker: It doesn't require a slayer.

Speaker: I'll go and sort this out.

Speaker: They're just bullies.

Speaker: You know, their bark's worse than their bite.

Speaker: I can deal with this.

Speaker: So he heads off and Buffy and Willow are like, yeah, we'll follow him.

Speaker: But they get stopped by the zookeeper guy who I really like.

Speaker: I don't know if you found this, but I sort of believed everything he told.

Speaker: Buffy and Willow in this particularly the first scene and he's explaining that it's really interesting it's actually I say interesting it's really interesting for the episode you really need to pay attention to it and you know he explains that they're in the hyenas are in quarantine they've just come out of Africa out of Africa that's the film isn't it yeah and he mentions the Maasai tribes and that they would lure

Speaker: their prey by calling their name and all the rest of it.

Speaker: Yeah, so we get this sort of really quick lowdown of what hyenas are capable of, apparently, according to myth.

Speaker: And then we move into the hyena house where the bullies are, they're just teasing Lance, but in the worst way,

Speaker: And well, literally threatening him to throw him over into the hyena cage.

Speaker: Which is horrific.

Speaker: It's so nasty and you think, oh, poor guy.

Speaker: And you then see the worst animatronic puppet ever.

Speaker: Very scary hyena puppet.

Speaker: Of all the things on Buffy, I think that is the most disappointing thing.

Speaker: They couldn't get a real hyena, really?

Speaker: I know.

Speaker: I mean, come on.

Speaker: Of all the things, you think it's fucking real for heaven's sake.

Speaker: You don't have to make it up.

Speaker: You don't have to build a hyena.

Speaker: You just go, I don't know, hire one or something.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And we get Xander coming to the rescue and showing his noble side for the last time.

Speaker: Yeah, sadly lacking in this episode.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Massively.

Speaker: And he stands up against them, which is good.

Speaker: Someone needs to defend the ones that can't be defended.

Speaker: And he's then placed in this position where the group of them, so there's now five of them, end up looking at the growling animatronic.

Speaker: And there's a massive great big thing on the floor painted on

Speaker: animal circle thing and then you think oh shit it's the hell mouth shit is about to get real yeah um their eyes glow

Speaker: The hyena's eyes glow, then the kid's eyes glow, and they're thinking there's a whole big glowing thing.

Speaker: And Lance runs off because Xander is staring very, very well at him.

Speaker: Like he's about to eat him.

Speaker: And yeah, it's all doom and gloom already, isn't it?

Speaker: And you think, oh, for fuck's sake.

Speaker: Yeah, they're all laughing at Lance Zander's laughing.

Speaker: He's very smirky and we have this unsettling close-up of his face.

Speaker: So it's like something's not right with him.

Speaker: He does it really well, I think.

Speaker: He does.

Speaker: Yeah, and then the laughing.

Speaker: It becomes part of the soundtrack for this episode.

Speaker: And it's interesting, actually.

Speaker: The actors begin laughing.

Speaker: So it's actually them that are doing that laughing.

Speaker: But as the episode progresses, they start to...

Speaker: mix in actual hyena laughs with the actors' voices and growls and what have you.

Speaker: Really great sound design.

Speaker: Yeah, it's really good.

Speaker: I mean, obviously as a sound producer, you're going to love that element of it.

Speaker: But I think it really adds to it.

Speaker: And it just makes your skin crawl.

Speaker: You sort of think, oh, God.

Speaker: I mean, I can't hear a hyena laugh now without thinking of this episode.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Not a fan of hyenas anymore.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: If I ever was.

Speaker: And then we get the opening credits.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Which, of course, the amazing theme plays...

Speaker: And we're back into, well, the main act one, which is the bronze.

Speaker: Yeah, our favourite place.

Speaker: So Buffy and Willow are there without Xander, but he is the topic of conversation.

Speaker: And Willow is asking Buffy, you know, did he seem quiet on the bus home from the zoo?

Speaker: So she's noticed that something is different about him.

Speaker: Buffy doesn't seem to notice as much.

Speaker: To be fair, she's a bit distracted now.

Speaker: Willow is telling Buffy about her crush on Xander.

Speaker: I think there's a very funny line about blood pressure.

Speaker: Yeah, bless her.

Speaker: 130 over 80.

Speaker: It's like, oh, oh, you have noticed.

Speaker: Okay.

Speaker: And she also starts to kind of push Buffy on her own attraction to Angel.

Speaker: But we don't see him in this episode at all, do we?

Speaker: No, we don't.

Speaker: Yeah, he's absent apart from his jacket.

Speaker: that Buffy is once again wearing very well.

Speaker: And Willow points it out.

Speaker: And I quite like the line that she says to Buffy, where she's like, oh, has it ever happened to you, you know, that tingly feeling?

Speaker: And Buffy's like, no, not of late.

Speaker: She's like, not even for dangerous and mysterious older men whose leather jackets she happens to be wearing right now.

Speaker: And Buffy's just, she can't even deny it.

Speaker: She's like, oh, well, you know, some girls might find him good looking.

Speaker: You know, if they have eyes.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And then she's kind of like, oh, okay.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You can't deny it.

Speaker: But I love how her main concern is that he's never around.

Speaker: And then when he is, all he wants to do is talk about vampires.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: He's just, he's just about the biz.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So he just wants to talk about work all the time.

Speaker: So, and then Xander arrives.

Speaker: Yeah, and Willow notices.

Speaker: She's like, oh, there he is.

Speaker: And Buffy's like, Angel?

Speaker: Like, no, Xander.

Speaker: So it's like, yep, she's got Angel on the brain big time.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: But from the moment Xander walks in, it's, yeah, he's behaving very strangely.

Speaker: Well, I suppose him eyeing up girls is not that strange, but there's just... Like their dinner.

Speaker: Yeah, yeah, that's a bit odd.

Speaker: And when he comes over to their table, he's...

Speaker: He's very hungry.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And he's trying to be the alpha as well, which in their group, Buffy is.

Speaker: And you can tell this is the beginning of their, you know, well, it's quite a primal thing, of course.

Speaker: But, you know, Xander's trying to get the upper hand on both of them because they're girls.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And Buffy's not having any of it.

Speaker: Of course, Willow is a lot more subservient and wants Xander in a different way.

Speaker: So she's more accepting of how he wants to treat them both.

Speaker: But yeah, Xander sort of goes, oh, girls.

Speaker: And Buffy's like, boy.

Speaker: Really puts him down straight away.

Speaker: And I really, I love this bit about Buffy.

Speaker: It's great.

Speaker: She just doesn't give him any, any room to, to maneuver.

Speaker: But yeah, you know, when he tears off a piece of her croissant, because it's the bronze and you can buy pastries.

Speaker: of an evening it is an odd choice yeah but yeah the dynamic is just different here because you know she would she'd put him down and he'd probably he'd kind of retreat or make a little joke or something but he's still there's just something about the way he's acting that there's a lot of you know they're just staring at him like what the fuck's going on here yeah and Buffy even says what is up with you

Speaker: And Willow, and I think this proves what we were just saying, Willow says, did I do something?

Speaker: So Willow is always accepting that Xander is never in the wrong.

Speaker: Buffy is holding him to account, as she does with all of her friends, but in particular Xander, because of course it's a Xander-centric episode and he's acting like an arsehole at this point.

Speaker: Yeah, the weirdest bit is when he sniffs Buffy.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Annie's like, oh, you took a bath.

Speaker: And she's like, yeah, I tend to do that.

Speaker: It's like, what the hell are you doing?

Speaker: Oh, she's like, I'm actually known for it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: That's okay.

Speaker: It's like, what the fuck?

Speaker: Yeah, you'd be like, I mean, even if this was a universe where you didn't have all this supernatural stuff going on, you'd be like, okay, you need to go and see a doctor or something.

Speaker: Yeah, it's just really weird.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And Buffy's one line, I think they actually use this quite a bit in advertisements and trailers where Buffy says, and the weird behavior award goes to...

Speaker: so we get some really good music actually by Sprung Monkey and that sort of triggers the the opening of the well the twat gang I don't know what else to call them yeah they they arrive

Speaker: And Xander instantly, his reaction when they walk in, it's like, oh, you see that he's just, it's like a weird telepathy kind of thing.

Speaker: He just senses them walking in and, I mean, their usual selves, they go over and start picking on this poor guy, but...

Speaker: At the same time, there's something that's just much more menacing about it than usual, I think.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I mean, what they say is awful to the guy.

Speaker: And then I think what's worse is the fact that Xander, after he laughs, and Buffy sort of looks at him and says, don't fucking laugh.

Speaker: That's not funny.

Speaker: Because they're commenting about the guy's size.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: calling him Goodyear, which is awful.

Speaker: Xander then says, the kid's fat.

Speaker: It's like, that fuck, what a wanker.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So then we have a little bit of light relief, I think you'd call it.

Speaker: Buffy is training with Giles in the library, which we haven't seen a lot of yet.

Speaker: This is a nice little glimpse into that particular ritual.

Speaker: Poor Giles is really out of his depth here.

Speaker: He's got all this padding on and Buffy is just really going for it and kicking the shit out of him.

Speaker: And yeah, Giles just looks very uncomfortable altogether.

Speaker: And then he says, okay, that's enough training for one day.

Speaker: Right.

Speaker: That's enough.

Speaker: No more.

Speaker: And, um, yeah,

Speaker: She goes off to class.

Speaker: He's like, yeah, you run off to class while I wait for the feeling to return to my arms.

Speaker: He's like, fuck.

Speaker: Yeah, he's a man in pain.

Speaker: Yeah, and that's the end of that scene.

Speaker: But what a nice little minute or so that was.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: As you say, though, it's actually quite nice to see because this is part of the Slayer training.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Which, you know, they begin to hint at, which is, I think, really interesting.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And then we get this mad scene.

Speaker: Oh, this is crazy.

Speaker: Low-level camera work here.

Speaker: Something's running.

Speaker: And it's very chaotic.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Something is running through the corridors and the students are all kind of going, oh, what's going on here?

Speaker: And straight into Buffy's arms, she picks up this adorable little pig in an American football helmet.

Speaker: Yeah, Principal Flutie comes over and introduces him as the new Razorback's mascot.

Speaker: I know.

Speaker: And he's, you know, he's a fierce Razorback.

Speaker: Yeah, because Buffy's like, oh, he's so cute.

Speaker: It's like, no, he's not cute.

Speaker: He's a fierce Razorback.

Speaker: Bless him.

Speaker: So he's escaped, hasn't he, from his cage?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I mean, this is mad shit that just did not happen in my school.

Speaker: We didn't have mascots like that.

Speaker: It's all very... No, we didn't have an American football team either.

Speaker: No, no.

Speaker: This is a real culture clash here.

Speaker: It's just like, what?

Speaker: They have pigs in helmets?

Speaker: I don't know what ours would have been.

Speaker: Our emblem was a swan.

Speaker: so yeah we're not gonna get one of those well our emblem was the same bridget's cross so that's about as boring as you can get oh yeah just walk around with the crucifix yeah so this pig is actually you know you might think this is a very random scene but this pig is unfortunately quite important the episode yes it comes up again yeah in a very traumatic way

Speaker: So then we get Willow and Xander sitting outside the school and she's trying to help him with math, as they call it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: With geometry specifically.

Speaker: And he's not having this at all.

Speaker: He gets very frustrated, which is so relatable.

Speaker: I was terrible at this as well.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I think he even says, it's like a big blur.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It doesn't make any sense.

Speaker: It's like, yeah, I can feel you.

Speaker: I know what you mean.

Speaker: And he it's even given him a headache, which I was like, oh, my God, Matt's headaches were just a thing for me.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Every day of my life.

Speaker: So, yeah.

Speaker: But he's getting quite aggressive about the whole thing, which is is not like him.

Speaker: So it's another hint that something's just something's off with him.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And he throws the book into the bin and the trash can.

Speaker: as Americans would say and just storms off he's like I'm not doing this anymore I'm done so end of we have a bit more of Principal Flutie who is my favorite character yeah he's amazing I love I would have loved to have had Principal Flutie as as it well we we would call them headmasters instead of principal but

Speaker: And he actually, it's actually quite a nice little scene between him and Buffy.

Speaker: It is, yeah.

Speaker: Where he even says, you know, back in my day, it was much better.

Speaker: There was more school spirit, that sort of thing.

Speaker: And he goes, and of course, when I was your age, I was surrounded by old guys telling me how much better things were when they were my age.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So, yeah, you think, oh, okay.

Speaker: So he sort of gets it, you know, he gets that there's a generational gap.

Speaker: And he's trying to bridge that, which I think is, it just shows you what a kind person he was or is.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Was.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: We've all seen it.

Speaker: We all know.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But again, we have Herbert, the pig that Buffy's holding on to.

Speaker: It's not even a pig, is he?

Speaker: He's a piglet.

Speaker: Yes, he is.

Speaker: Which makes the whole thing worse.

Speaker: He's a baby pig.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: He's just a little baby.

Speaker: And she's holding him like he's a baby.

Speaker: I know.

Speaker: She's in love with this little animal.

Speaker: He's so lovely.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And the poor thing starts to squeal and kick with complete terror when Xander walks through and past him.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So this is, again, we see Buffy kind of going, okay, what the hell?

Speaker: What's going on here?

Speaker: It's, yeah, there's something seriously fucking wrong with Xander.

Speaker: The fact that even a poor little defenseless animal is shit scared of him.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And things just get worse from there.

Speaker: It's lashing rain, it's thunder, and they're all in a, well, again, we would say P.E.,

Speaker: But so many Americanisms, this is gym.

Speaker: Yeah, they're doing gym classes.

Speaker: Well, it's all been postponed, hasn't it?

Speaker: Which I find is, this is hilarious because at my school, if it was shitting it down...

Speaker: like apparently it is, the PE teachers, they'd have just basically said, oh, go and do some cross-country.

Speaker: Because that means that all the kids just run off for however long the cross-country course is, and they can sit inside and stay dry.

Speaker: Whereas in America, they did dodgeball instead.

Speaker: Yeah, which we did as well, in fairness.

Speaker: But yeah, occasionally.

Speaker: And again, this is another scene that I just, it's like, oh my God, PTSD from my school days.

Speaker: Seriously.

Speaker: Yeah, because there were bullies in my school.

Speaker: And when you played dodgeball, of course, they'd use it as an excuse to just lash the crap out of you with these...

Speaker: So, yeah, a lot of very relatable scenes in this.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: I was very lucky.

Speaker: I think out of anything, I'm not saying I was Buffy, but I was the one who would look after others because I just, I find it so abhorrent.

Speaker: that someone can be so mean so I'd have fucking gone for Xander and this lot in this I say PTSD this angers me it gets to the point where I'm just like I'll fucking have you mate it's a very tense scene but the thing I can't relate to is the outfits that they have to wear

Speaker: when they're doing these classes it's like what it's now you see I love the Sunnydale t-shirt yeah this one so I even I have one um we'll have to get some made actually because I have an authentic one that was my husband is made for me so it's properly oh the proper font and everything

Speaker: as per the episode ones that you see.

Speaker: But yeah, see, we had a very old-fashioned PE kit.

Speaker: So this is a breath of fresh air.

Speaker: This is what I would have loved to have worn.

Speaker: Oh yeah, I'm definitely envious because we didn't have anything like this.

Speaker: But yeah, so there's a very tense scene, you know, dodgeball, they're all just licking

Speaker: lashing each other and one by one they get eliminated and Buffy is the last one left on her team conveniently and Xander and the twat gang and Lance are left on their side

Speaker: And then they all turn on Lance, who's supposed to be their teammate, and they just start throwing balls at him while he's on the ground.

Speaker: And it's all very, it's very aggressive.

Speaker: It is, yeah.

Speaker: And Buffy goes to Lance's assistant and stares at Xander properly, stares him down.

Speaker: And you can tell she's really biting her tongue.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And then we're, I think this is one of the most painful scenes where Willow is waiting for Xander to come out with his path.

Speaker: It's just, it's terrible.

Speaker: It really is.

Speaker: So yeah, he goes up to her and at first, well, you kind of know better, but Willow's sort of kind of hopeful because it sounds like he's like, oh, you know, my feelings...

Speaker: about you have changed and you think oh is this going to be a sort of tender moment where he's telling her that he feels the same way about her that she feels about him and meanwhile Buffy is at her locker so she's hearing all this

Speaker: And he tells Willow that he'll be dropping geometry so that he won't have to see her pasty face again.

Speaker: And they all just start laughing and he's laughing as well.

Speaker: And Buffy is just, I think, absolutely disgusted by what she's just heard.

Speaker: And Willow is very upset and runs off.

Speaker: And then Buffy confronts him, which I love.

Speaker: I love the fact that she did that.

Speaker: Again, it's the case of like, you say something to me now.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I'm going to have you because you know what you've just done.

Speaker: You would not get away with me.

Speaker: And you just, you want him.

Speaker: You just think, come on, just say something to her.

Speaker: So she just needs an excuse to beat you up.

Speaker: That is it.

Speaker: And I'm so glad that she actually does eventually.

Speaker: But yeah, it's awful.

Speaker: It's such a sad scene.

Speaker: And poor Willow just, she's crushed, isn't she?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: She's heartbroken.

Speaker: And in front of everybody too.

Speaker: It's just the worst humiliation.

Speaker: It is, yeah.

Speaker: And then we get the pack.

Speaker: They're on the hunt now.

Speaker: They're looking for food.

Speaker: They're hungry.

Speaker: And they walk over to this bench where some guys are eating hot dogs.

Speaker: And they just help themselves to their lunch.

Speaker: Throw it away because it's too well cooked.

Speaker: They're on the hunt then.

Speaker: But you get this moment where there's next level now, particularly with Xander does it a lot where he starts to sniff the air.

Speaker: Yeah, their senses are really heightened at this point.

Speaker: They all go stomping off.

Speaker: The actual character, Kyle, he climbs onto the table and stomps through all the lunch and then jumps back down.

Speaker: He is actually, his name's, I think it's, you'll actually be able to correct me on this.

Speaker: Is it Ewan Bailey?

Speaker: E-I-O-N?

Speaker: Never seen that spelling.

Speaker: I don't know how you pronounce it.

Speaker: Probably is, though.

Speaker: Ewan?

Speaker: Ewan?

Speaker: Ewan?

Speaker: Ewan Bailey, anyway.

Speaker: This is actually one of his first jobs that he did.

Speaker: And he was then later cast in Band of Brothers.

Speaker: So I know him from that.

Speaker: And I remember watching Band of Brothers and I was like, oh my God, he's from Buffet.

Speaker: But he's a really good actor.

Speaker: I think they're all really good.

Speaker: They are, yeah.

Speaker: And they start to morph into the animalistic hyena world.

Speaker: just the physical traits of them, you know, how they stalk and how they move and glide and, you know, they're looking around and they really work as a pack really well as well.

Speaker: So it's a really good, really powerful scene.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And, and of course, Xander has sniffed

Speaker: Poor Herbert.

Speaker: Herbert the pig.

Speaker: And this is just, for me, it's like the most devastating scene.

Speaker: Yeah, whenever there's an animal involved.

Speaker: Yeah, and you think, God, this cannot get worse.

Speaker: And of course it does get worse.

Speaker: It does.

Speaker: But they all bend down.

Speaker: And it's just how they all start shaking the cage and stuff and making those noises.

Speaker: And you know for a fact that that would have actually freaked the animal out.

Speaker: Yeah, pigs are very, you know, a pig squealing is one of the worst sounds, I think.

Speaker: But you can tell, it is actually, it feels as if it's in danger, which I don't know, there's just something about it that just really upsets me.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It's a great actor, that pig.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Thank you for that.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: It's all pretend.

Speaker: It didn't actually happen.

Speaker: But yeah, I can't help but think that the little pig was scared to death.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And Xander's line as well.

Speaker: Let's do lunch.

Speaker: It's just, no, no, not this one.

Speaker: No, sorry.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: Oh, I won't be eating a sausage roll anytime soon.

Speaker: That's for sure.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: And this is, personally, I think this is a really good cinematic scene.

Speaker: Yeah, it is.

Speaker: And the music really adds to that.

Speaker: And this is by a band called Far, and it's called Job's Eyes.

Speaker: And it's really heavy electric guitar and drums.

Speaker: And you just get this montage of the pack.

Speaker: They are the pack now.

Speaker: Zander is the alpha.

Speaker: He's the one in charge of...

Speaker: And they're all walking along.

Speaker: And like you say, with the sense of smell is heightened.

Speaker: His hearing becomes over-sensitized as well.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And just to kind of hammer that point home, you get this close-up of...

Speaker: Not his ear, but it's kind of his ears are sort of the focal point of that shot.

Speaker: And we can hear he sees Buffy and Willow talking from a distance and he can hear what they're saying.

Speaker: And yeah, this is just heartbreaking because Willow is just so upset and she's she's in tears and she just doesn't know what's going on with Xander.

Speaker: And I just love how reassuring Buffy is in this scene.

Speaker: She's such a good friend.

Speaker: And she says, you know, I think there's something wrong with him.

Speaker: Which, you know, should be obvious at this point.

Speaker: But Willow says, maybe there's something wrong with me.

Speaker: It's like, oh, you just want to say no, no, no, no.

Speaker: Yeah, it's like, oh, you know, three's company and, you know, he's not been like it with you.

Speaker: He's just sniffing you a lot.

Speaker: Yeah, because she knows that he's been fixated on Buffy.

Speaker: So it's... Yes.

Speaker: But I love the fact as well that she never resents Buffy for that.

Speaker: It doesn't impact their friendship.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: Because that could easily happen in some situations where you're just resentful of the other girl.

Speaker: But she never is, which I like.

Speaker: No, that's very true.

Speaker: But she also knows that Buffy doesn't see him that way.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And Buffy realises that something's going on, something weird.

Speaker: And again, I think this was used a lot for trailers and advertisements for the show where Buffy says those two lines.

Speaker: And I do like this where she's like, we're going to talk to the expert on weird stuff.

Speaker: Yeah, and we know who that is straight away.

Speaker: We know who that guy is.

Speaker: So we head back to the library.

Speaker: Where all good things happen.

Speaker: And I think we've agreed this is actually our favourite scene.

Speaker: Favourite line?

Speaker: Yeah, this scene contains each of our favourite lines and they both come from the same character.

Speaker: Surprise, surprise.

Speaker: Yeah, so yours comes up first, I think.

Speaker: Yeah, so I think, well, Buffy's basically saying to Giles, something is wrong with Xander.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And Giles is like, right, okay, so he is teasing the less fortunate.

Speaker: She's like, yes.

Speaker: And you've noticed a change in clothing and demeanor.

Speaker: She's like, yes, yes, yes.

Speaker: And he spends all of his spare time lounging around with imbeciles.

Speaker: She's like, it's bad, isn't it?

Speaker: It's devastating.

Speaker: He's turned into a 16 year old boy.

Speaker: I think it's just, it's fucking awesome.

Speaker: It is.

Speaker: And then he says, of course you'll have to kill him.

Speaker: Just so casually.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I think this is potentially the first time that Giles says, Buffy, you're overreacting.

Speaker: It's not all supernatural shit that goes on.

Speaker: Sometimes people are just twats.

Speaker: Yeah, he's kind of like, I've seen this before.

Speaker: It's like, yeah, I mean, he was a teenage boy himself.

Speaker: As we, you know, we know what he was like down the line.

Speaker: But yeah, he's just like, no, I'm this, there's something wrong.

Speaker: He scared the pig.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But yeah, I think he then, Giles then says, your favourite line.

Speaker: Yeah, he says, testosterone is a great equaliser.

Speaker: It turns all men into morons.

Speaker: He will, however, get over it.

Speaker: And, you know, truer words were never spoken.

Speaker: But yes, I love the reference to the X-Files as well, where Buffy's like, you're trying to skilly me.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So there is something supernatural.

Speaker: And Giles is like, look under, you know, what do you want me to look for?

Speaker: She's like, look stuff up.

Speaker: Look, get your books.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: He's like, well, what do you want me to do?

Speaker: There's nothing there that's untoward.

Speaker: But then he says, you know, it's natural teenage boy behaviour.

Speaker: And then he says this key line, they prey on the weak, which triggers something in Buffy immediately.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Takes her back to the zoo when the zookeeper said that very thing about hyenas.

Speaker: And then she realises, she's like, oh my God, that laugh.

Speaker: which Giles, again, he almost giggles at this.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And he's like, you're saying that Xander's becoming a hyena.

Speaker: Yeah, he just looks really, I mean, he's like, okay, I mean.

Speaker: Unbelieving.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I almost wanted her to say, look, you approach me about fucking vampires, all right?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So you can sit down and you can listen to my theory because I'm the fucking slayer.

Speaker: Yeah, and I really like this sort of shift as well because she's done this a couple of times now where she's the one who realises, oh, hang on, it's this.

Speaker: And we see that Giles doesn't always, he's not always so quick off the mark.

Speaker: Sometimes it's Buffy that kind of comes to this conclusion and she's like, wake up, Giles.

Speaker: This is what's going on.

Speaker: That's it.

Speaker: And very quickly, Buffy's point is proven when Willow runs in and announces that Herbert has been found eaten.

Speaker: Oh, man.

Speaker: Yeah, that word, eaten.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Buffy looks at Giles and says, testosterone, huh?

Speaker: And he heads, in silence, just walks over towards his office.

Speaker: They're like, where are you going?

Speaker: He's like, I'm going to get my books to look stuff up.

Speaker: And it's so unnatural.

Speaker: I love it.

Speaker: The way he's like, stuff?

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: I have to say stuff?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So Buffy was right all along.

Speaker: Mr. Flutey is unaware of the supernatural causes.

Speaker: And he's absolutely livid, as he should be.

Speaker: Finds the twat gang that are lounging around.

Speaker: And even this just, oh, because you just think, oh, they're literally, they're lounging because they're full.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And they're just, you know, stroking their hands and stuff.

Speaker: It's horrible.

Speaker: And he calls them.

Speaker: He's like, three kids saw you outside Herbert's room.

Speaker: You're going down.

Speaker: And they just taunt Principal Flutie by asking how Herbert is.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: One of them says crunchy.

Speaker: It's like, oh, it's awful.

Speaker: It's horrible.

Speaker: It is.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And he's like, right, that is it.

Speaker: My office now.

Speaker: And this is a really good line when he's like, you're going to have so much detention, your grandkids will be staying after school.

Speaker: Now that to me, I used to get that a lot at school.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I was forever in detention.

Speaker: And we then have the next scene where Willow and Buffy are researching about hyenas.

Speaker: And we get a few other interesting facts.

Speaker: Just to...

Speaker: Hammer home how horrible hyenas are and that they are really detested in the animal kingdom and in terms of being possessed by one sort of animal, a hyena is the worst thing to be possessed by.

Speaker: So Giles has found out about, and I like how he's at one point he says, I should have remembered this, which just reminds you that, you know, I don't always get it right.

Speaker: I dropped the ball on this one and Buffy saved the day.

Speaker: But he explains about animal possession of humans.

Speaker: It's something to do with an animal worshipping sect called the primal.

Speaker: And they draw the spirit of that animal into themselves.

Speaker: through transpossession.

Speaker: So Buffy just explains in English that basically it's like, so they start acting like hyenas.

Speaker: She's like, well, yes.

Speaker: Yeah, basically.

Speaker: So now Buffy, she's moving on.

Speaker: She's fast forward.

Speaker: She's like, okay, so...

Speaker: Once a person has the animal spirit in them, what happens to them?

Speaker: And Giles hands Buffy a book, which is an illustration.

Speaker: It's an actual illustration as well as of Dante's Inferno.

Speaker: And it's just showing cannibalism, basically.

Speaker: So lots of limbs have been bitten off and heads missing and all sorts of nasty bits and pieces.

Speaker: So Buffy heads over to Herbert's room to see if she can

Speaker: Go and find out where they've gone and round them up and do something about it.

Speaker: And it's the noise when she walks across the floor.

Speaker: It's all crunching.

Speaker: And it's like, oh, no, it's all the bones.

Speaker: Even when she picks up the bone, it's just and it's just a prop.

Speaker: But it's so...

Speaker: It really gets to me.

Speaker: It genuinely gets to me.

Speaker: It is awful.

Speaker: And she stands up and turns around.

Speaker: We know that someone is behind her and it's Xander.

Speaker: This scene for me completely put me off Xander.

Speaker: Yeah, it's awful.

Speaker: This is it.

Speaker: Well, I said this scene, the whole episode, really.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Well, there's two scenes, this one, and then there's a consequent one.

Speaker: Buffy actually tries to move away from him, and he stops her in that really horrible sort of na-na-na-na-na-na way.

Speaker: And you can tell it's really menacing, but it's just on the edge of being threatening as well.

Speaker: And Buffy, of course, can hold her own,

Speaker: But we already know, you know, he's got super sniff rays and his hearing is super heightened now as well.

Speaker: And I think we're meant to understand that he's actually now a bit stronger and

Speaker: And it's just what he says to her after... She does not delay at all.

Speaker: She literally rams him to the floor to knock him down and hold him down to overpower him.

Speaker: And he then says, been waiting for you to jump my bones.

Speaker: It's horrible.

Speaker: Yeah, it's awful.

Speaker: And we get that thing again where we cut between...

Speaker: that scene and also in the principal's office um yeah this is so disturbing as well the whole these scenes are just just ick yes both of them and i'm i know why they did this because obviously it's it's the height of the um the climax of of the episode really um or halfway through the the episode and

Speaker: And this is the catalyst for the remainder of the show or remainder of the episode.

Speaker: But I think if you were not to cut in between these scenes, they probably wouldn't have been able to show them without any respite.

Speaker: But again, it's just fantastic filmmaking where they've essentially gone, well, the censors won't let us show attempted assault in full.

Speaker: So we'll just cut it.

Speaker: with a horrible scene where a human gets eaten yeah um because that is what it makes it better you know it's softer on the eye it's like the fuck yeah um so i don't know what i find more upsetting but i'm devastated that mr flutie was eaten um

Speaker: Yeah, it's awful.

Speaker: And that while they're attacking him and you're hearing it and everything and you just get that close up of his picture on the desk and it's just like, oh no.

Speaker: Yeah, it's very upsetting.

Speaker: This whole scene mirrors the scene with Herbert the pig.

Speaker: And I think he sort of embodies what Herbert was like as well.

Speaker: I'm not liking him to a pig.

Speaker: Do you know what I mean?

Speaker: He's the prey.

Speaker: And he gets preyed on.

Speaker: It's really, really awful.

Speaker: But the actors in this are really good.

Speaker: They're really, really good.

Speaker: They terrify you.

Speaker: Yeah, they do.

Speaker: You truly believe that they're going to eat this guy.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I mean, even there's this one final line where Principal Flutie's like, look, I can talk to the counsellors for you.

Speaker: You can go and have some counselling.

Speaker: It's like, oh, you poor man.

Speaker: You try to help him still.

Speaker: Yeah, and he's mentioned counselling in past episodes as well, so he's big on his counselling, which makes the whole thing worse.

Speaker: It's just, oh.

Speaker: Oh, it's so, yeah, it's heartbreaking.

Speaker: Meanwhile, Xander is really trying to... Forcing himself on Buffy.

Speaker: I mean, there's no two ways about it.

Speaker: That's what he's doing, and it's just horrendous.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And this is the moment that obviously Buffy needed to kick his ass.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: She needed an excuse and everything cuts out.

Speaker: And this probably would have been an advertisement break.

Speaker: And we're back to the library.

Speaker: Willow's watching footage of hyenas just ripping various animals apart or doing what hyenas do.

Speaker: Which they were just doing to Principal Feetie.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And then Buffy drags an unconscious Xander into the library because, and she tells Willow that she hit him with a desk.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Good.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And she puts him in the cage, as you do.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And locks him up.

Speaker: She actually names it as well.

Speaker: She actually says, yeah, he tried his hand at felony sexual assault.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I'm really glad that she even- Called it what it is.

Speaker: She's aware of that.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And, you know, it's, oh, yeah, he, you know, maybe the height.

Speaker: No, he was being fucking inappropriate and he should not have done that.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: Things just get worse, really, because Giles comes in and immediately he's very shaken.

Speaker: You can tell something's wrong.

Speaker: And yeah, this whole part of the scene is very powerful.

Speaker: It is.

Speaker: And I think it's, you know, you just think you cannot, because it's got dark really quick.

Speaker: I mean, we've just had cannibalism.

Speaker: Attempted sexual assault.

Speaker: In literally the same scene.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Just, you know, cut in between each other.

Speaker: And how do, I mean, where do you go from that?

Speaker: And I must say, I think this is probably one of the best scenes in the show because as a viewer, you're like, fuck, the fuck has just happened?

Speaker: You know, and you think, God, it couldn't have got worse with the pig.

Speaker: No, they went to a darker place.

Speaker: And yeah, I think Giles, how he just very simply says, They ate him.

Speaker: And it's this, it's these three lines.

Speaker: So Giles says, they ate him.

Speaker: Buffy then says, they ate Principal Flutie.

Speaker: And Willow says, ate him up.

Speaker: And there's something about the delivery and it's something about, it's the same thing, isn't it?

Speaker: They're just saying exactly the same thing, just different ways.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: They're trying to process it in their own individual ways.

Speaker: But they allow you to process it.

Speaker: And Willow sort of pulls you back out and

Speaker: onto another level where you can go, they ate him up and you sort of go, oh, and you can't help but sort of laugh.

Speaker: You know, in an awkward way.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Where you just think, you know, it's just how she says it.

Speaker: It's like, is that meant to be funny?

Speaker: And it's very intelligent where it does genuinely make you sort of see the lighthearted side of it because at the end of the day, it's a TV show.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And they need to move the story on.

Speaker: But it's such a dark area, you know, that they've just literally within those three lines they've crawled out of.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: It's clever.

Speaker: It's really good.

Speaker: And Buffy's got that same look in her eyes as she did when she found out what happened to... Dr. Gregory.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: My guy.

Speaker: Yes, she does.

Speaker: And it's that same sort of the impact...

Speaker: And it's so sad.

Speaker: It really is sad.

Speaker: And Giles sort of essentially says, well, the official theory is wild dogs got into his office.

Speaker: And again, they move on quite quickly.

Speaker: They say, well, actually, Xander wasn't there.

Speaker: He's locked away.

Speaker: And Giles is like, oh, good.

Speaker: You know, great.

Speaker: And then Buffy moving forward, looking ahead.

Speaker: How do we get... Undo this.

Speaker: How do we undo this?

Speaker: How do we transpossess someone?

Speaker: We need to get this sorted.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And Giles, his reading material is very thin on the ground, he says.

Speaker: And he says, oh, I think there's a predatory act that would then trigger the ritual.

Speaker: And I've got a really geeky tidbit about this.

Speaker: Can I tell you about this?

Speaker: Yes, this is fabulous.

Speaker: I love this.

Speaker: So the book he refers to, and he actually picks it up as well, and it's the Malleus Maleficarum, and he actually says it deals with particulars of demonic possession, which may apply.

Speaker: Now, that particular book is real.

Speaker: It existed.

Speaker: And it was written as the late 15th century.

Speaker: And it was then banned.

Speaker: It was considered to be too much about demonology and too instructive, too informative.

Speaker: So the church banned it and tried to stop its circulation.

Speaker: However, in the late 15th century, the printing press was just coming to the fore.

Speaker: And it actually turns out this book was the second most read, most published book in Europe.

Speaker: at the time.

Speaker: So you can really understand the impact that this book had on people's outlooks.

Speaker: And of course, people were very suspicious of things.

Speaker: And it led to this huge witch hunt which occurred in the 15th century in Europe

Speaker: And one particular thing, which I think still exists today, but in a slightly different attitude, is the deep suspicion of redheads.

Speaker: And they were considered to be possessed by the devil.

Speaker: And this book, I mean, you can understand why they sort of banned it.

Speaker: This book sort of advised you on how you could kill a redhead.

Speaker: Wow.

Speaker: And there was a huge influx of drowning newborn babies if they had red hair, for instance.

Speaker: And, you know, if there were any redheads living in villages or whatever, they would burn them alive and what have you.

Speaker: And it was this particular book that really sort of kicked all of that out.

Speaker: up in Europe.

Speaker: So yeah, so this book is rightfully, very correctly described by Giles as having details of demonic possession.

Speaker: So yeah, there you go.

Speaker: But the redheads were not defeated.

Speaker: They weren't.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: But it's, yeah, it's an interesting thing.

Speaker: But that's where that's, that's where all that sort of suspicion comes from.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Because I knew there was a whole thing where, you know, people thought this about redheads, but no idea that it came from this particular book.

Speaker: Yeah, I think, I mean, another theory, which again is from this particular book, is that redheads, because they have very pale skin, they were therefore linked or associated to vampires, which is another thing as well.

Speaker: They really did their research with this.

Speaker: They really did, yeah.

Speaker: I don't know if it was a happy accident.

Speaker: I don't think it would have been, because I mean, it's a very, you can still buy the book now.

Speaker: And it was a very, very popular book at the time.

Speaker: And it has a lot of influence in sort of the supernatural stories that we now, like Buffy, you know, we're talking about.

Speaker: So, yeah, it has a lot to answer for.

Speaker: So yeah, Buffy suggests they go and talk to the zookeeper and she says, I'm guessing he didn't quarantine those hyenas because they were sick.

Speaker: So it's all kind of becoming apparent now.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: So Buffy and Giles decide to go off to the zoo and Willow stays behind to watch Xander, which considering the way, I mean, Buffy had a horrific time with him as well, but

Speaker: considering the way he's been so horrible to Willow through this episode, I wouldn't feel too good about staying there with him, even if he was under lock and key.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I mean, could Buffy not have knocked him out again?

Speaker: Just put him in a coma for the rest of the episode.

Speaker: You have to have these movements in the story.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But yeah, not a wise decision.

Speaker: And, and of course we do get this nasty scene where this lady at night, I mean, what the fuck is she doing running through the woods with a baby on her back?

Speaker: I mean, the hell?

Speaker: And she disturbs the sleeping pack.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And she backs away and thank fuck, she survives as with, you know, along with her baby as well.

Speaker: Yeah, we couldn't have any more.

Speaker: Oh my God.

Speaker: I don't think I could actually cope with this.

Speaker: No, no more things or people being eaten.

Speaker: Thank you very much.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You know, there's a very heavy drool moment.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: Which it just, again, just makes you go, oh my fuck.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I didn't notice that the first time I watched this.

Speaker: Oh, really?

Speaker: No, I noticed it afterwards.

Speaker: Oh, yeah.

Speaker: It's really good.

Speaker: It is.

Speaker: It's a good drool.

Speaker: But they're well and truly on their way to being the true possessed people now.

Speaker: As Giles has explained earlier, and then Zookeeper Man says they are possessed by the animal, and it sort of takes over.

Speaker: So we know what's coming.

Speaker: Xander wakes up and tries to talk Willow around.

Speaker: So yeah, he's considering, you know, this is a bit rich considering how he's been talking to her all along, but now he's all sympathetic, telling her he wants her to help him.

Speaker: He's trying to convince her that she's the one that he needs and not Buffy.

Speaker: And, you know, Willow points out that Buffy has actually saved both their lives.

Speaker: But he's like, well, you know, before she came along, we didn't need saving, did we?

Speaker: That kind of thing.

Speaker: Which is funny as well, because he's been so fixated on Buffy all this time.

Speaker: And now he's trying to sort of turn Willow against her in a way.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And we see Willow kind of soften or starting to soften.

Speaker: And she's telling him that she she wants to make sure that he's he's still there.

Speaker: You know, there's still the old Xander somewhere in there.

Speaker: And he's saying, you know, there is.

Speaker: But just as you know, she's getting close.

Speaker: He reaches through very aggressively.

Speaker: Then he starts screaming at her to let him out.

Speaker: So we see that it's all just, he's just playing mind games with her.

Speaker: Yeah, it's just a ruse trying to talk her around or win her around so he can get out.

Speaker: And then we're at the zoo in the zookeeper's office.

Speaker: And he's having a conf lab with Giles, which turns into a complete fanboy moment for them both.

Speaker: Which Buffy has to break up.

Speaker: I love her eye roll.

Speaker: She's like, boys?

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Can you stop flirting with each other now?

Speaker: So essentially, they're just comparing notes.

Speaker: They realize that this ritual has happened where the hyena spirits have gone into the Twat gang and Xander.

Speaker: I think what's interesting, though, is you get this thing where Giles is like, you don't seem surprised by this.

Speaker: And the zookeeper's like, well, I read about it because there was something weird about these hyenas.

Speaker: They're a very vicious breed.

Speaker: And he was like, yeah, creepy guys.

Speaker: And you sort of, you just think, oh, this guy is so good.

Speaker: You know, I think he actually, dare I say, I think he does the exposition better than Giles for this.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Because, I mean, Giles doesn't really have, he's got bits of the information, which is, of course, the idea.

Speaker: But, and this guy sort of ties it all in.

Speaker: But it's just how he's really interested in the whole thing.

Speaker: It makes you want to be interested in it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So, but yeah, anyway, sorry.

Speaker: I would be completely doing the same thing as Giles.

Speaker: We're like, oh, tell me more.

Speaker: He's found his tribe here.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And Buffy's like, can I just interject?

Speaker: Can we move off from this?

Speaker: And they're like, oh, sorry.

Speaker: So, yeah, I think Buffy would potentially need to tell me to calm down as well.

Speaker: And so they come up with a plan.

Speaker: So they have to get all of the possessed students into the hyena cage.

Speaker: To start the ritual.

Speaker: They'll start the ritual.

Speaker: Buffy's like, well, we have one, but I don't know where the others are.

Speaker: And he's like, oh, no, that's fine.

Speaker: They'll all find each other.

Speaker: Yeah, they need to track down the missing member of their pack and they'll come right to them.

Speaker: And it's like, shit.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So that means, yep.

Speaker: Willow is... Yeah, it's creepy.

Speaker: Very creepy.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So, and again, Zookeeper Guy pointed this out in the first scene.

Speaker: He was like, oh, they can call your name.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Which is exactly... Lure you.

Speaker: All that happens.

Speaker: So back in the library, that's exactly what's going on.

Speaker: And Willow says, Xander, stop.

Speaker: Because...

Speaker: She thinks he's doing it from the cage.

Speaker: And she sees... I'm not listening.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And she looks up from her computer and sees these fucking faces in the windows.

Speaker: Oh, my God.

Speaker: It would fucking... I would literally...

Speaker: I'd have run, but I would have run out of the school.

Speaker: I don't know why she decided to hide in a classroom.

Speaker: But yeah, she hides in a classroom and they're all sniffing.

Speaker: Yeah, I mean, they can smell her.

Speaker: She should have just left.

Speaker: And we know that Xander smells fear because he's turned on by it with Buffy.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So we know that he'll be able to smell Willow if she's terrified, which of course she is.

Speaker: And he does this, the classic ploy of leaving the room, closing the door.

Speaker: And she thinks, oh, it's OK now.

Speaker: I mean, Willow, stay where you are.

Speaker: Stay where you are.

Speaker: But no, it's, you know, your classic horror, damsel in distress.

Speaker: She comes out from under the teacher's desk and Xander is there, jumps after her.

Speaker: And this scene, the whole thing, I mean, when Willow throws that, the table chair thing, which is another very American thing.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: We used to have desks and chairs, didn't we?

Speaker: But I don't know what they're called, like the arm table thing.

Speaker: thing yeah and she throws that at him and that must have hurt because he launches himself into it and she gets out of the opens the door and then the other one is there one of the girls and she's just I think she probably has like the best hyena laugh mm-hmm

Speaker: And thank God, Buffy turns up with a fire extinguisher.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: And just knocks one of them out.

Speaker: I fucking love it.

Speaker: You know, you just think, come on, Buffy.

Speaker: Just set the thing, turn the hose on and fucking hose them down.

Speaker: So Giles is there as well.

Speaker: They run into the classroom.

Speaker: Mm-hmm.

Speaker: And Buffy, with her hyena knowledge that she's just read up on, she's like, no, no, they'll be looking for somebody weak.

Speaker: They're hungry.

Speaker: They're not going to come after us.

Speaker: It's too much hard work.

Speaker: So she knows that they've all gone crazy.

Speaker: And again, the next plan, they're going to lure them to the zoo to put a stop to everything that's going on.

Speaker: So Buffy goes off and then we have this other scene with a family getting into their car.

Speaker: And this made me laugh, actually.

Speaker: The mother says to the kid,

Speaker: Joey, you have to chew or you'll choke.

Speaker: Which, yeah, my parents used to say that to me all the time.

Speaker: And I did, I did choke on a couple of occasions because I was very, I was a very enthusiastic eater.

Speaker: Oh, riddle.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: I had to learn how many times to chew.

Speaker: Oh, okay.

Speaker: Like a steak or something so that I didn't like asphyxiate and die.

Speaker: Brilliant.

Speaker: Well, Joey, the little boy, you know, you sit there and you think, I know this person.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: He is actually an actor and he's in the film from 1994 called Little Giants.

Speaker: And it's a brilliant Disney film.

Speaker: And it's about an American football school kid.

Speaker: Yeah, he's in that anyway.

Speaker: And you get the taunting again where they sort of go, Joey.

Speaker: Joey.

Speaker: oh it's horrible they start pounding on the car and scaring the shit out of mum and dad and joey and and buffy turns up and she does this proper superhero stance yeah on top of the car she's just oh my god it's also and like the camera angle where you just get her feet and you know that she's standing with her you know her hands on her hips and um

Speaker: And she really does literally save the day because Xander and I think the others have crawled into the car.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: You know, through the windows and, you know, going into sort of a frenzy.

Speaker: So unfortunately they, well, she can goad them.

Speaker: She sort of say, you know, I know you really want this.

Speaker: You want me instead.

Speaker: Come and get it.

Speaker: And they chase her.

Speaker: And then we're back.

Speaker: we're at the zoo where willow and giles are waiting giles in a very fetching scarf it must be noted it's a now i reckon that's a two-tall scarf which um is a is a brand it's a british brand that sort of existed in the 30s um and they were they were very prevalent in up into the 60s as well and they sort of made paisley

Speaker: Paisley scarves, a very fashionable thing.

Speaker: But yes, it's a very, very dashing colour of orange.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But he's looking for the zookeeper and...

Speaker: He goes in and he's like doctor and then he goes zookeeper.

Speaker: He doesn't quite know what to call him.

Speaker: It's almost like he forgot.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So, you know, Anthony Hayes is like, fuck, I can't remember the bloke's name.

Speaker: And he's like, I don't even have IMDB to check.

Speaker: Zookeeper?

Speaker: Zookeeper.

Speaker: And then the guy, yeah, basically sneaks up behind him in his ceremonial garb.

Speaker: He actually looks like a member of Kiss or something with all his face paint.

Speaker: It's really, it's really cool though.

Speaker: It is.

Speaker: It's really well done makeup.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And it's, well, it's beautiful almost, you know, and the blue is really striking.

Speaker: And, you know, all over his beard as well.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And Giles notices the markings on the floor.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: The sacred circle.

Speaker: That's it.

Speaker: And he's like, oh, yes.

Speaker: And of course, you know, you can see the cogs working.

Speaker: You think, finally.

Speaker: He's like, this was already here when the students arrived initially.

Speaker: And then he's like, oh, shit, this guy is in on it.

Speaker: What am I going to do?

Speaker: And I think how he even says it is how terribly frustrating for you that a bunch of school children could accomplish what you could not.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And the actor who plays the zookeeper is just so good.

Speaker: And he's like, yeah, it bothered me.

Speaker: And you think more than that, the actor's name is James Stevens, I believe.

Speaker: And he's just such a good actor.

Speaker: I think he just steals the scene, I think.

Speaker: He steals Giles' consciousness too, as it turns out.

Speaker: He does, yeah.

Speaker: And he's got this massive stick, which is part of his ceremonial thing.

Speaker: And he wins Giles.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And I must say, you feel this.

Speaker: Yeah, you win.

Speaker: What a hit that was.

Speaker: Because he's definitely hit him.

Speaker: And I've got a theory with this.

Speaker: And I'd love to be able to get this confirmed.

Speaker: Maybe one day we might be able to.

Speaker: But very deliberately, Giles walks in.

Speaker: I don't know if, well, again, you rewatch this and you'll see it.

Speaker: But very deliberately, Giles walks in with his jacket done up.

Speaker: And he even checks it when he's looking at the circle and everything.

Speaker: And he's, you know, talking to the zookeeper.

Speaker: And he even sort of checks his jacket.

Speaker: And if you look at it, you think, is that padding?

Speaker: And I think he's probably got padding, protective padding underneath, which you can disguise with a tweed jacket.

Speaker: So I reckon he probably did hit him with quite a bit of force.

Speaker: Yeah, because it looks very, very real.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And then he hits him again on his back, but it's in the same position.

Speaker: So again, I believe that the padding is probably around his mid-drift.

Speaker: So I only say that because having worked on a few sets and things, you know, in costume in particular, you do get these weird and wonderful requests.

Speaker: and you think how are we going to do that and very simply if you can just say well can you just keep your jacket done up it sort of it solves a lot of problems and it just simplifies the whole thing so I don't know I mean I'd love to get that confirmed but I reckon that's probably what happened because it's definitely it's not a stunt double no that's definitely Anthony Head I swear one of these times you're going to wake up in a coma wake up in a oh never mind

Speaker: This is Giles' third knockout we've counted.

Speaker: It's becoming a habit now.

Speaker: It is a habit.

Speaker: And Buffy's on her way.

Speaker: She's running through all the woods.

Speaker: The hyenas are pretty much catching her up.

Speaker: And Willow runs in because she can hear them.

Speaker: And she goes in to warn Giles and zookeeper, Zoolander, we'll call him Zoolander.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And now we're at the end of the episode.

Speaker: And she's like, they're here, they're here.

Speaker: And then Zoolander sort of goes, oh, great.

Speaker: I need you.

Speaker: Gets his great big fucking knife like what's his face I love when Willow asks where Giles is and he says he's lying in wait

Speaker: Oh, do you know how I missed that?

Speaker: How funny.

Speaker: And, yeah, so Zoolander's got fucking Crocodile Dundee's knife and is holding it up against Willow's neck as a predatory act.

Speaker: And...

Speaker: It's the bit where Willow's like, are you going to pretend to slash my neck?

Speaker: He's like, yeah, something like that.

Speaker: And yeah, so he's getting ready and it becomes very evident to Willow because Willow is just super quick and she realizes it's a trap.

Speaker: The zookeeper knows all about it.

Speaker: Buffy comes running in and she's like, the fuck has gone off.

Speaker: And then Xander catches up with Buffy, tackles her from behind and all the others go in to eat her.

Speaker: I mean, it's exactly the same sort of setup as what they did to Principal Flutie.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And Zoolander actually, he shouts out this incantation, which actually saves Buffy.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And all the others as well, because all their eyes flash green.

Speaker: So we've got the green lantern as well.

Speaker: Fucking hell.

Speaker: It flashes into his eyes, all of them.

Speaker: So all the five eye flashes go into his eyes.

Speaker: And then he turns and growls at Willow.

Speaker: And then kind of giving Xander a chance to redeem himself at the very end because he's now back to normal, as it were.

Speaker: And he realises what's happening and tries to save Willow.

Speaker: Yeah, tackles Zookeeper, who's about to eat Willow's face.

Speaker: As if she hasn't been through enough, that girl.

Speaker: I love the fact that he's like, I don't need a knife.

Speaker: I don't need a fucking... I'm not going to carve her.

Speaker: I'm going to just eat her.

Speaker: It's horrible.

Speaker: Too much eaten in this episode.

Speaker: There is far too much.

Speaker: And there's a bit of a back and forth.

Speaker: Buffy gets involved, kicks Zoolander over the bars,

Speaker: He falls into the hungry hyena pen.

Speaker: And gets devoured.

Speaker: And gets eaten.

Speaker: And then Giles bursts in.

Speaker: He's all ruffled.

Speaker: Not looking nice at all.

Speaker: No, no, not at all.

Speaker: With his little toot-o scarf, hanging loose.

Speaker: He's like, did I miss anything?

Speaker: Just a little bit, Giles.

Speaker: Just a little bit.

Speaker: Yeah, and then we're back to the last final scene and it's back at school the next day.

Speaker: They're walking along this lovely balcony.

Speaker: We get quite a lot of, we never actually mention Sunnydale High, which is actually Torrance High School in California.

Speaker: It's still there.

Speaker: It's beautiful.

Speaker: Very sort of 30s, I think.

Speaker: Sort of Spanish deco architecture.

Speaker: And they're walking up the steps up to this balcony.

Speaker: And Xander is essentially basically saying, what happened with the principal?

Speaker: I don't remember any of it.

Speaker: And Buffy and Willow are basically catching him up.

Speaker: And Willow's like, you only ate the pig.

Speaker: Don't worry.

Speaker: And he's like, was it cooked and called bacon or...

Speaker: He's like, oh my God, I ate a pig.

Speaker: And he even then says, you know, I don't remember any of it.

Speaker: He's very specific.

Speaker: He even says, oh, I was on a field trip, went to the hyena house.

Speaker: And the next thing, some guy's holding Willow and he's got a knife.

Speaker: It's like, no, mate, he didn't have a knife.

Speaker: He was about to fucking chomp on her face.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And he shows himself again.

Speaker: He's like, nobody messes with my Willow.

Speaker: And hugs her and she's very pleased with this.

Speaker: And even Buffy is, you know, smiling at them like, oh, aren't they cute?

Speaker: Everything's back to normal.

Speaker: Despite what happened to her.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Which is, I mean, yeah, I don't think I could.

Speaker: I think, I mean, ultimately she knows that it was a possession and he was turning into an animal.

Speaker: But he was still Xander.

Speaker: Yeah, I mean, as true as that is, it would be hard to just go back to normal and forget about it.

Speaker: But she's very forgiving.

Speaker: She is.

Speaker: And I think this is the first time that Buffy forgives her closest friends anyway, or those closest to her.

Speaker: And Xander even says, did I do anything else?

Speaker: Did I upset either of you?

Speaker: Did I embarrass myself in front of you guys?

Speaker: And Buffy even says, no, no, you're fine.

Speaker: Don't worry.

Speaker: This is the bit, though, that I really don't like.

Speaker: I really, really don't like.

Speaker: It's not the fact that Xander actually tried it on with Buffy.

Speaker: That's beyond, that's not good.

Speaker: But the fact is that we then learn

Speaker: Because Giles comes along after Buffy and Willow head to class.

Speaker: Giles comes along and says, I've not found anywhere in my books that says memory loss happens with animal possession.

Speaker: And Xander's like, don't tell them, please.

Speaker: And he's like, your secret dies with me.

Speaker: And it's like, no, no, no.

Speaker: It shouldn't.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: And I think, I'm not sure if, and again, looking back, I don't think Giles knows what Xander did.

Speaker: Yeah, that's true.

Speaker: But Xander does.

Speaker: Yeah, and he's pretty okay about it.

Speaker: And he never apologizes about it.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: He never says, I should not have done that.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: And I think that was a, I don't know, I'm just really uncomfortable with that scene.

Speaker: Yeah, it's not.

Speaker: I mean, as you said, Giles doesn't know.

Speaker: And if he had known, I think that would have made it even worse.

Speaker: It's just not very characteristic.

Speaker: But we don't know.

Speaker: It's never confirmed that Giles doesn't know.

Speaker: I mean, he knows that Xander was locked away.

Speaker: in a cage and knocked out by Buffy but on screen Buffy does say that Xander sexually assaulted her although Giles wasn't in the room when she said that but I don't know it's just got all that guys together I'll stick with you and just make sure that and considering how he doesn't have an awful lot of time for Xander's nonsense in general it just doesn't sit right

Speaker: No.

Speaker: And for me, that is the one thing for Xander that I just could never, I just never repaired my opinion of him.

Speaker: So, and it's not to say that, you know, I don't find him a powerful character and he's, he is good and he's, he redeems himself and he puts himself into other bad situations as well.

Speaker: He's a great character like all the others.

Speaker: But for me, this one thing, I was just like, yeah, I can't really.

Speaker: I find it very difficult to forgive it.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So the fact is he genuinely, he preferred to not talk about it than own up and apologize to Buffy.

Speaker: While continuing to judge other people, but yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, because let's face it, he really, really puts Buffy through it, particularly later on.

Speaker: Yep.

Speaker: So, knockouts.

Speaker: So Giles gets knocked out.

Speaker: Bless him.

Speaker: Yes.

Speaker: Buffy's kill count is really low.

Speaker: But to be honest with you, I'm quite, well, there's a lot of killing in this.

Speaker: There's a lot of eating.

Speaker: Yeah, we have poor Herbert and Principal Flutie and then the zookeeper getting devoured by hyenas.

Speaker: But none of that is Buffy's work.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: Well, Buffy sort of kicked the guy into the pen.

Speaker: Yeah, she facilitated the last killing.

Speaker: Sort of by accident.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Yeah, there's a lot of killing in it.

Speaker: Is that why you're always cleaning your glasses?

Speaker: So you don't have to see what we're doing?

Speaker: Tell Noah.

Speaker: No removal of glasses.

Speaker: No, there is no.

Speaker: Giles doesn't.

Speaker: He consults his books.

Speaker: But doesn't feel the need to remove the glasses.

Speaker: No.

Speaker: So, favourite character.

Speaker: For me, I, well, I think Buffy is great in this for various reasons.

Speaker: Just how much of a good friend she is to Willow in this episode, particularly.

Speaker: And just how she managed to work out the whole thing when Giles was struggling for information and to remember things that he'd read.

Speaker: But I think Willow has to be my favourite.

Speaker: Well, first of all, because I feel sorry for her just the way...

Speaker: Xander treats her throughout the episode but also I think she does well to stand her ground with him when he's trying to convince her to to let him out of the cage and you know she wants to kind of give him a chance but then when he shows her that he's just trying to manipulate her she's like no you're gonna stay in there so I like that I think for me it's Flutie

Speaker: that poor man we're never going to see him again I know he's just yeah I think he every time he shows up on screen I'm like oh Principal Flutie

Speaker: When you rewatch it again, it's because you know that he dies in such a horrific way.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: But he's just a really great actor as well.

Speaker: And he was just a really nice character.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Short-lived as he was.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And it's sort of, you know, there is a theme that they have where...

Speaker: the authority figures for Buffy and to a certain extent for Xander and Willow, they get killed.

Speaker: So I get it, you know, and it shouldn't come as a surprise, but it really was.

Speaker: And it was such an impactful, for me anyway, it's still something I just struggle with.

Speaker: And so what's your, we've done the best line, which was obviously from that, the library scene with Buffy and Giles, Buffy convincing Giles that there's something wrong with Xander and Giles not really believing her at all.

Speaker: What's your favorite scene or do you have a favorite scene?

Speaker: I struggle to pick a favourite scene, even though there's some nice light relief with Giles and Buffy and stuff.

Speaker: But I think for this episode...

Speaker: I think it's best we can kind of speak in terms of the most impactful scenes because it's just so dark in general.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: And it doesn't necessarily mean it's a scene I'm comfortable with, but I can acknowledge how well done it is and the impact that it has on your emotions.

Speaker: So I've gone with...

Speaker: That awful scene in the corridor when Xander is just horrendous to Willow because I just found it so uncomfortable because, again, you know, it just really shows what it's like to be in that situation where you're being humiliated in front of people.

Speaker: whether it's you know bullies or in this case someone that you care deeply about so I just really felt Willow's pain in that scene and also Buffy's horror at what's going on when she stood up to him I thought that was very powerful so yeah I'll go with that one I think with mine

Speaker: It would be the one where they, Giles, Buffy, and then Willow, when they're talking about what happened to Principal Flutie.

Speaker: I think that, for me, it's just a masterclass on writing, because they didn't need to go into any detail.

Speaker: The word eight is repeated three times in three different ways by three different characters, and it sort of pulls you out of and makes you ready for the next step of the scene.

Speaker: It's just a really great scene, I think.

Speaker: Your favourite outfit?

Speaker: Yeah, it was nothing really stood out to me as much as, you know, at the beginning with the stripes because I love stripes and I don't have anything more profound than that to say.

Speaker: But I know there is an you have an interesting bit of information about the outfits.

Speaker: Yeah, well, as you know, I like my costume and I don't know if it's worth giving a bit of context.

Speaker: I have a clothing company, so I'm very keen on sort of seeing sort of the design aspects of the costume for each character and how it's used to facilitate and support a character through their story arc.

Speaker: And it's interesting, this particular episode,

Speaker: The costumes really facilitated the overall story.

Speaker: So you've actually pointed out very early in the first scene, Xander and Willa are both wearing stripes.

Speaker: They're very, very colorful and they deliberately stand out.

Speaker: They actually, more than anything, they really clash.

Speaker: Both of the stripes, they don't correlate with each other.

Speaker: They don't correspond.

Speaker: Buffy is also the same.

Speaker: She's wearing a lot of color, a lot of green.

Speaker: It's very floral.

Speaker: There's a lot of patterns there.

Speaker: When the change happens...

Speaker: to the kids, the twat gang with the possession, all of the colours have really toned down.

Speaker: It's all very subdued.

Speaker: They wear a lot of browns.

Speaker: Xander's wearing a lot of brown cords and dark jackets and solid colours.

Speaker: So there's no patterns there.

Speaker: And that's with every of those characters.

Speaker: And they sort of change from scene to scene, but there are essentially, as they descend into their animalistic...

Speaker: transformation that the the overall costume becomes darker and darker and darker on the other side you then have the characters such as Buffy, Willow, Principal Flutie even Herbert the Razorback he has lots of color he wears you know greens and reds and yellows Principal Flutie is wearing a lot of yellow

Speaker: Giles wears a lot of yellow and red and orange as well.

Speaker: And Willow, of course, she just wears every colour under her.

Speaker: Willow's a rainbow all the time.

Speaker: All the colors of the rainbow.

Speaker: And then Buffy, you have Buffy wearing a lot of purples, a lot of patterns as well, and a lot of green.

Speaker: So there's a lot of royal colors there.

Speaker: And you see that right up until the end of the episode.

Speaker: And then that's why Zoolander, he comes along in all of his blue colors.

Speaker: And no other character wears blue.

Speaker: And it really stands out.

Speaker: And, yeah, it's just a very clever costume choice by the designer.

Speaker: So, yeah.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Sorry, geek moment over.

Speaker: But I don't actually have a favourite outfit.

Speaker: I think maybe, I don't know, I'm liking Giles' scarf.

Speaker: I think that's got to... Yeah.

Speaker: And Buffy's scarf at the beginning.

Speaker: That's something I would wear.

Speaker: So there we go.

Speaker: Makes me feel like I'm included.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Part of the gang.

Speaker: Part of the gang.

Speaker: So what are we doing next time?

Speaker: We are watching episode seven, which is called Angel.

Speaker: And you may have gathered from that title that we're going to get Mr. Dark Mysterious Buffy Crush Man.

Speaker: Annoying in a kind of way.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: Mr. Annoying.

Speaker: Yeah.

Speaker: So there'll be lots to discuss about him and, you know, seeing the development of his character, finding out a few bits and pieces about him that we don't know yet.

Speaker: Yeah, looking forward to it.

Speaker: I remember...

Speaker: I never really focused much on this episode, so I'm looking forward to deliberately going through it again and re-watching it.

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Speaker: She's like, oh, you've got a little bit of blood on your shirt.

Speaker: Take the whole thing off.

Speaker: You know, these three guys who aren't there anymore.

Speaker: My mother came in perfectly safe.

Speaker: But you must stay in my room for 24 hours.

Speaker: Buffy's pillowcase.

Speaker: Has anyone else noticed this?

Speaker: It's a crocheted pillowcase.

Speaker: That's just going to leave a pattern on your face.

Speaker: Joyce also asks the question that everyone is asking.

Speaker: Yeah, quite reasonably wonders, why is your school librarian here?

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