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thedfsdeli: Week six has concluded its shift. And yes, this is an imp prompt to podcast because your boy Sully, the owner of the DFS deli has a lot to say non DFS related after a shift, you know, chill when you gotta, you gotta clean up.
thedfsdeli: And you got to take out the trash at the end of the night to get ready for your next shift. Well, this is what we're going to do tonight on the DFS deli because we got a lot of trash to talk about around the NFL. So join us tonight on the DFS deli sign is open.
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thedfsdeli: i And welcome in to the DFS deli. I am the proprietor of this delicatessen Salih Alisha heed. And I am joined tonight on in an impromptu conversation about the state of certain teams and situations in the NFL.
thedfsdeli: My man Chill has decided to jump on with me working a little overtime shift for your boy as we get prepared to watch the Guardians take on the Yankees in game one and the conclusion of the week six slate with the Buffalo Bills taking on the New York Jets. Chill, welcome man. Thanks for picking up the shift tonight. I appreciate you. How's everything going?
Chilly: I mean, it's going good. You know, I had the day off from my other job because of the holidays. So I figured I'd pick up some holiday pay, you know, on a Monday here for, you know, indigenous people day or Columbus day or whatever they call it now. I don't know. I just got the day off.
thedfsdeli: Yeah, I was told ah today, surprisingly, that it was Indigenous People Day.
Chilly: Yeah.
thedfsdeli: What? then I don't know.
Chilly: Yeah.
thedfsdeli: but
Chilly: I know, I know a couple of years ago, they changed it for Columbus day because he was a piece of shit. You know, whatever again, that's political. We're here to talk about football. Uh, you know, again, you know, I think there is a lot of trash around the league.
Chilly: Um, you know, we'll, we'll, we'll bounce, uh, you know, we'll just get ready to, you know, we'll get the big bags, the hefty bags we need, uh, you know,
thedfsdeli: oh Yeah, oh yeah, we're gonna need some hefty bags Yeah
Chilly: You know, we need a like a John Cena escaparance, you know, for him doing them hefty commercials, you know, but, uh, you know, let's get ready to dive on into some trash. You know, we got a lot of trash here locally. Um, you know, and, uh, I'm sure we'll cover that. So, uh, you know, wherever you want to lead us and, uh, you know, we'll go from there.
thedfsdeli: Yeah, absolutely. And um normally what we do here on the DFS deli is that we like to talk fantasy football. And that's you know the state of the game here on the channel. But at the same time, I would like to switch some things up, do some recaps, do some non DFS related things. So if you're not if you're if you're not here for that, I completely understand. But if you're here for another topic, just to hear me and my man Chill talk about the state of the NFL and some certain teams and situations,
thedfsdeli: then by all means stay hit the like and subscribe button. It helps me a lot. Trust me. And this is a way to vent some frustration as it were because the DFS season for me isn't going too great.
thedfsdeli: the The other side of fantasy, the yearly side, that's going, it's going swimmingly actually. So ah at least there's a a positive aspect of fantasy football that is going well. But um I was inspired this morning while I was at the gym.
thedfsdeli: Cuz my one of my better friends Matthew John Studer texted me um related to fantasy football and then it got on to real life football. And I was sending him books of text about certain situations around the NFL, who deserves to get fired, who deserves to to to be benched, who deserves everything that they need, that they deserve around the NFL.
thedfsdeli: And it just kind of sparked a trendy conversation that I wanted to have with ah with you, of course, and you, the people at home. Well, those of you who are listening on the audio version, of course, by all means, like I said, do the things that help your boy out and make sure you subscribe. And whenever we upload a episode of the DFS deli, you'll be notified because normally you see us on Wednesdays. But this, a Monday night, it it still feels right. You know, there's still NFL in the air.
thedfsdeli: It's still a lot to talk about. So thank you, Matt, for inspiring this particular conversation. Because last week, we couldn't upload an episode and due to technical difficulties. And we spent about 20 minutes talking about the Deshaun Watson conundrum situation um problem, as it were. And I think we need to break down a few things. So where I want to start because the Browns aren't the only thing we need to cover because Jacksonville, you're trash. We need to talk about you for a little bit. Dallas, you're trash. We need to talk about you a little bit. And I'm pretty sure there's some other situations that we're a harp on when we get to it. But let's start locally in Cleveland because as bright as the sun of the Cleveland guardians are shining, there's a dark cloud.
thedfsdeli: still hovering above our little spotlight right there. And it's called the Cleveland Browns. So, Joe, where do you want to start actually? Because I deviated to the topic of the Browns. Do we start with Watson? Do we start with the front office? Do we start with? Where where should we begin of this discussion?
Chilly: I mean, if we're being real about it, the Browns have been one of the worst run organizations since they came back in like what, 99, right? Is that when they came back? and um I mean, this all stems from ownership, right? Like ah we'll, we'll get the Watson here in a second, but like Watson, it's not like, it's not like Watson pays himself. um It's not like,
Chilly: you know, we had a quarterback here, actually like two, we had two quarterbacks here that did the job better than he did recently. um You know, again, man, this is a Haslam thing. um You know, you've heard the expression, you you can't fire your owner. um You know, there's, you know, you said the Cowboys, I'm sure the Cowboys would like to fire their GM, the owner, the owner's son, the owner's other son. Like your last name is Jones.
Chilly: You probably need to find your way out of Dallas. but that will We'll get to that when we need to. um This all stems from ownership. right like If it was up to Stefanski, this dude would have been benched.
Chilly: He would have been benched a couple games in. like Or we would have kept Flacco. But when you're sitting on this contract, which is the worst contract in the history of the NFL, um the Browns
thedfsdeli: without question, without question.
Chilly: the Browns literally, and this is not even like NFL based, this is sports base, soccer, hockey, baseball. They are in the worst situation out of any team in any sport. And I don't even think it's close. um It's apparent that the owner does not want Watson benched. I would be very surprised if he, I think it's gonna have to be weeks until he gets benched, but I mean, at this point, to me, this is a Haslam problem. Yes, Deshaun is awful. He's terrible. But if Stefanski has no power, what what can we do, right? Again, you can't fire your owner.
thedfsdeli: Haslam is the guy at the poker table that keeps losing and won't get up.
Chilly: Yep.
thedfsdeli: He just literally keeps reaching into his bankroll and keeps losing.
Chilly: Yep.
thedfsdeli: Every hand that he gets is a loss.
Chilly: Yep. Yep. He keeps rebuyin'.
thedfsdeli: He keeps going. Yeah. He keeps going all in losing and rebuying it. You're absolutely right. So he is an addict that can admit that he's wrong. This was like you mentioned the worst contract in NFL history, all guaranteed, all of it, every last penny guaranteed.
thedfsdeli: You thought that you were going all in for a guy that had problems before he got here. And I'm not talking about the off field stuff. That's, that's another issue. But even before he got here, I literally screamed from the top of my freaking lungs.
thedfsdeli: Every year that the Sean Watson was overrated every year that this dude is not good every year. And no one wants to listen to me, not a single person. It was stats, this and this stat and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And everybody wants to point out the one playoff win that he has under his belt was against a second year. Josh Allen. that That's That's the, that's your highlight reel.
thedfsdeli: So the Houston days are long gone and now we move to the present day where like you said, the owner made a trade to give up all this draft capital because they still have none. You get it back next year, but what are you going to do with it? You have to draft a quarterback next year with that pick and you still have almost a hundred million dollars on your payroll because of this guy, the backup quarterback.
thedfsdeli: Joe Flacco, who led us to the playoffs, who has more touchdowns in three less games than Deshaun Watson.
Chilly: actually has the the longest streak in the NFL for two touchdown games at eight, eight in a row.
thedfsdeli: Deshaun Watson hasn't thrown for over 200 yards this season.
Chilly: And he's faced some bad teams.
thedfsdeli: He is not thrown for over 300 yards in his Browns career. I saw Spencer Rattler put up 200 yards plus yesterday. A sixth round rookie from South Carolina. We can't get that out of Deshaun Watson.
thedfsdeli: So sans the contract, sans the he's bad. He's very, very bad. Remember, so we're we you and I are wrestling fans, of course.
Chilly: yep
thedfsdeli: This reminds me of when Shawn Michaels lost his smile.
thedfsdeli: The dude has no motivation. His teammates have no motivation to play with him. It's like he's stuck. Everyone's stuck. Omari Cooper, eight time pro bowler.
thedfsdeli: Okay. One of the best route runners in the league leads the NFL in drops because he just don't want to get the ball from his cat.
Chilly: Yep. Yep. Do you know what? I mean, this can kind of correlate. You think Amari gets traded?
Chilly: like Again, do you think he gets traded?
thedfsdeli: He should.
Chilly: like i don't They won't get rid of Judy, because obviously, so Judy would just go to number one.
thedfsdeli: He should.
thedfsdeli: Right.
Chilly: But like i could I could see Amari getting traded.
thedfsdeli: Yeah.
thedfsdeli: Amari needs to be traded. He needs to be traded to the Kansas City Chiefs.
Chilly: I don't even know if he needs to be traded. They won't trade it to him, but ah I think Amari Cooper needs to get traded to the Ravens.
thedfsdeli: Listen, if it I like, I actually like the Ravens idea, but if it ain't, if it ain't, if he does, if he does get traded, it'll be the chiefs or the jets. If they can't, if they can't land Devontae Adams, if they don't get Adams, they'll call Cleveland like, Hey, we need your boy.
Chilly: I don't think they're getting Adams.
thedfsdeli: Cause your boy would be motivated and he would be the, he would be the guy that can compliment Garrett Wilson.
Chilly: He could go.
Chilly: He could...
thedfsdeli: Even though for some reason, Aaron Rodgers loves the shit out of Alan Lazar. And I don't know what that love affair is all about, but Oh yeah.
Chilly: and Well, we can we can get to that situation too, but... um um I mean, I guess, I mean, maybe the bills too?
thedfsdeli: The bills are a candidate as well. But yes, like I said, they need to trade him, but at the same time, to your point ownership, why would Haslam admit he's wrong?
Chilly: Millionaires never admit they're wrong.
thedfsdeli: He's wrong. Flacco openly admitted he wanted to come back.
Chilly: Yep.
thedfsdeli: He said, nah, nah. And I love, I love James Winston. Baker loves James Winston. There's a lot of us that love James Winston. Hell, James Winston is probably the most popular quarterback in Cleveland right now.
thedfsdeli: And he ain't played a damn game minus, you know, quarterback sneaks, but it's always the backup quarterback. And what makes the situation worse for Browns fans?
thedfsdeli: and ownership and coaching and everything is that if, if the NFL decided to name an MVP today, Baker Mayfield would be top three.
Chilly: He's up there.
thedfsdeli: So you let an MVP candidate a third of the way, see a third of the season. a third of the way through the season go. I, and I understand that he would not be the same guy here.
thedfsdeli: And that's everyone's argument. There's no way Baker would have been the same guy. He's playing with a chip on his shoulder, et cetera, et cetera. That's great. But comma, they recognize the talent that they had in the guy.
thedfsdeli: The bucks gave him a chance and then said, you know what? You're the guy. And they didn't even give him that much money.
Chilly: No, I, so like, I think to that argument now, like, listen, I wasn't the biggest Baker Mayfield fan.
thedfsdeli: It's like a $30 million. Like,
Chilly: So like in terms of some of the stuff he did in Cleveland, like I was right, but I'm still wrong. Um, I mean, like he, he obviously, I think he had a mature maturing issues here, but like also that last season, like he was playing with one shoulder, like he needed to be benched and then they could have paid him whatever.
thedfsdeli: Yep.
Chilly: And then, with Stefanski, he put up numbers. like Again, I wasn't a Baker Mayfield guy. He proved me wrong. Kudos to him. um I think that one year or that like little part time he had with McVeigh and with them, and I think how bad he saw Carolina was, I think it just opened to his eyes to be like, you know what? this this Wow, it it can go downhill like pretty quick.
Chilly: um
thedfsdeli: Yes.
Chilly: But like you said, like millionaires never admit they're wrong.
thedfsdeli: And so your other point about coaching, what is the fast he's supposed to do? What is he supposed to say when he's not calling the shots? Hell, he's not even calling the shots on his own offense.
Chilly: No.
thedfsdeli: Ken Dorsey has a different philosophy than Stefanski. They both can't see eye -to -eye because of the guy taking snaps from center. That offense was fine.
thedfsdeli: Thriving almost last year with Flacco. They won a game with PJ Walker. They won a game with DTR.
thedfsdeli: They were still doing the things that we wanted to see, but yet Deshaun Watson can't do that anymore.
Chilly: like yeah I mean there's just a couple there's just a couple things right so like when he first got here from from the rumors that I heard from what I read like Watson wanted to be an Atlanta Falcon he did not want to be here in Cleveland but when you get thrown some astronomical number he basically traded
thedfsdeli: He can't do it.
Chilly: his career for the money, essentially is what he did. And then the other rumor is like Bill O 'Brien is on record of stating like, we couldn't run my offense. We needed to run Clemson's offense. It's apparent this dude can't read defenses or nothing. Like what the Browns need to do is take a look at another team in their own division. It's only about two and a half hours that way.
Chilly: All right, because you got Pittsburgh out here winning with duck Hodges, Justin Fields. We know Russ is eventually going to start a game here. That's only a matter of time. Mason Rudolph. Again, it's it is at the end of the day, your quarterback situation. Yes, you need talent at the quarterback position, but it comes down to coaching and ownership. If those things are stable, your quarterback just needs to do very little.
Chilly: Very little.
thedfsdeli: right I mean, I, I a hundred percent agree. Again, look at the top of our division Baltimore Ravens. Yeah, I get it. You got a two -time MVP and Lamar Jackson.
Chilly: one
thedfsdeli: They dedicated their entire offense to that dude.
Chilly: Yep.
thedfsdeli: And that was it coaching stable ownership stable. All they did was build around them. So it's like, and we'll get to the other situation here, but then when you add The league's leading rusher the leads leading touchdown scorer the leads leader in carries who wanted to be a Dallas cowboy speaking of ownership Literally came out and said I wanted to play with Dallas and he never picked up the phone And now you got Dallas as a bottom three run game without King Henry They have no running
Chilly: they have they have they They have no run game. like I don't even think literally none. um But no, you're 100 % right. like look at and look at I think Joe Burrow is having a great season.
Chilly: Obviously, like, if Cincinnati had a winning record, he'd be the MVP right now.
thedfsdeli: Mm -hmm.
Chilly: Statistically, he'd be the MVP. um But obviously, since I mean, they won last night. So were they like two and four now? Two and four?
thedfsdeli: Uh, yeah, they're up to two and four, correct.
Chilly: Two, two and four.
thedfsdeli: Mm -hmm.
Chilly: I mean, look at their owner. He don't want to pay Higgins. He barely wants to pay Jamar Chase. That dude paid Burrow and was like, you know what? We're OK.
thedfsdeli: Yeah.
Chilly: I mean, but like, I mean, but that's why these organizations consistently struggle.
thedfsdeli: yeah
Chilly: Joe Burrow is winning despite his owner. DeShawl Watson ain't that good. Stefanski can't do it. Um, so yeah, it's just,
thedfsdeli: but That's the thing, though. That's the thing, man. You have the oldest offense in football. You have one of the highest paid offenses in football. Yes, a lot of that is the Sean Watson. The majority of that is John Watson, actually. But you have a two time coach of the year. And you have statistically the worst offense in the NFL.
Chilly: and andy And Andy Dalton is a starting quarterback in the NFL.
thedfsdeli: You have not cracked 20 points.
Chilly: Just want to point that out.
thedfsdeli: Andy freaking Dalton, who, by the way, threw two touchdowns yesterday. You're saying, you know who didn't? Sean Watson. He has over the course of the amount of starts that he has statistically, one of the worst bottom five in NFL history.
thedfsdeli: re
thedfsdeli: QBRs that that surpassed eight. He put up an eight. QBR against Washington. And guess what? That was the second worst of the season. He was worse than that. He was putting up numbers that rival Joe Marcus Russell.
thedfsdeli: we We have a problem. We've always had a problem. The literal second that we traded for Deshaun Watson, everybody was screaming for the heavens, all Browns this Browns that, and I literally came on this podcast and told everyone that would listen, the Browns we're done.
thedfsdeli: There is no shot. None. Everybody wants to know why all this Buffalo shit came out. The second we traded for the Sean Watson, cause all of this, this Bill's blanket, this, this, this Bill's shit, this cup, this Jersey was all Brown stuff. But the second the Browns got to Sean Watson, I was done.
thedfsdeli: Done, I left town. I still live here, but my allegiance to the Browns cut off right then and there. I was and done. And now we want to see the light that we messed up. And every week that goes by, it is more evident that we messed up. The ownership messed up. The Stefansi is going to get himself fired because he's forced to trot this cat out week in and week out.
thedfsdeli: A two time coach of the year is about to get fired at the end of the season because that two, that two and 15 record, you know, it's raps.
thedfsdeli: It's over the only thing. And I hate that. I hate the wish this upon anybody. The only way the Browns somehow bounce back is if Watson gets hurt.
thedfsdeli: Simple as that.
Chilly: Yeah, again, not wishing injury upon anybody, of course, but um that's the only way they could maybe make a playoff run.
thedfsdeli: He has to get hurt.
thedfsdeli: Of course not. No, of course not.
Chilly: Like, I seen, they have a ton of talent.
thedfsdeli: Because they have talent. Chill, they have talent.
Chilly: A ton.
thedfsdeli: They they have the coaches. They have them.
Chilly: Yep. So, I mean, if Kevin Stavanski gets fired, he'll be on the market for about a week.
thedfsdeli: They're there.
thedfsdeli: Oh, God. Right.
Chilly: like
thedfsdeli: Right.
Chilly: I mean, if we're looking at teams like ah New Orleans would hire him, because Dennis Allen's getting fired.
thedfsdeli: Without question.
Chilly: no New Orleans would hire him. I think the i think the rate a Jacksonville would hire him.
thedfsdeli: Jacksonville.
Chilly: I think the Raiders are inclined to fire Antonio Pierce.
thedfsdeli: I think he gets another year.
Chilly: Oh, dude, I don't know, man.
thedfsdeli: He needs a quarterback.
Chilly: Yeah, but if you fire Pierce and then you bring in Stefanski and rookie,
thedfsdeli: o What about the what about the Jets?
Chilly: Um.
thedfsdeli: Who gets that job?
Chilly: Whoever Aaron Rodgers says gets the job.
thedfsdeli: You're right. You're right. You're right.
Chilly: I mean it.
thedfsdeli: What about, uh, go ahead. Go ahead. ah
Chilly: I was gonna say if Aaron Rodgers could have made Nat Hackett the interim head coach, he would have.
thedfsdeli: Facts. Facts. What about, uh, what about Dallas? Because McCarthy's gone. He's gone.
Chilly: Do you think Jerry Jones is somehow, because if they do bad, right? Let's say they go off the sheet bad, right? You think Jerry Jones would bring in Bill? We've seen this, we've seen this run in Cowboys history. They do bad, they got Parcells. They do bad, they got Jimmy. They do bad, they went back to Parcells.
thedfsdeli: Yeah, yeah.
Chilly: I mean, again, you haven't been since the you haven't been to the NFC Championship games since I was like two.
thedfsdeli: Yeah.
thedfsdeli: Facts.
Chilly: So I think the Cowboys would bring in Bill.
thedfsdeli: Facts.
Chilly: I think the Jaguars would bring in Bill Belichick. That's who I think they're going to hire.
thedfsdeli: every remember every year is their year every year and it guess what it ain't it ain't that year it's just not it's just not
Chilly: No, no, but I think I think the Jaguars would bring in Bill, because I think their owner doesn't care about personnel as much. So I think he could defer that to Bill. Bill can coach. Bill would make Trevor Lawrence look relevant, because he ain't going to let him throw 30 times a game. Let's be real.
thedfsdeli: facts.
Chilly: so
thedfsdeli: This is true. This is true.
Chilly: and And they would be in an easy division, in my opinion, minus Houston. but
Chilly: you know
thedfsdeli: Yeah, I mean, well, obviously Houston is built, you know, from the ground up, but you know, the the trend remains, you got to have the quarterback in place, so but at the same time, like, and before, before I switched to the quarterback conversation, and because we'll get to overpaid pieces of trash and what the NFL is kind of trending to maybe their outliers, maybe they're not. But the last thing I'll harp about the Brown situation is that sitting at one in five, you host Cincinnati next week, three division games back to back to back. And then your bye week. The only reason, the only reason while why there won't be a hundred percent booze
thedfsdeli: in that stadium is because Nick Chubb is coming back.
Chilly: yep
thedfsdeli: If Nick Chubb doesn't come back this Sunday, the second, the split millisecond that the Sean Watson gets off that bus.
thedfsdeli: Boo. You suck. You're trash. Get out. You overpaid piece of shit. This, that and the other. If it wasn't for Nick Chubb, this would be the biggest boycotted game.
Chilly: Yep. All right.
thedfsdeli: Not the fans will come, you know, cause they want to, they want to, they're going to see the, they're going to see the Bronx, but literally every second, every snap, every throw, every incomplete pass, heaven forbid, he throws an interception.
thedfsdeli: You will hear the loudest booze. Ever, for any quarterback, ever, ever.
Chilly: I do. I got, I got one, I got one suggestion for head coach for the Browns, which I think makes the most sense. Uh, it'd be Mike Rabel.
thedfsdeli: Rabel, yeah, that does make sense.
Chilly: Yeah.
thedfsdeli: That makes a ton of sense. um so And I was thinking about this today, actually. Oh, you know what? Hold on. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta shout. I gotta shout somebody out real quick. Hold on. Let me grab my phone because I have a, I have a thread with my buddy Jimmy and Evan because we talk a lot of, a lot of good stuff, you know, about, uh, about the Browns and and football in general. And, um, this man, Evan,
thedfsdeli: talking about the shot watching because I literally said I'm going to jump on and you know talk about the the state of the NFL. you know Again, the DFS episode of us taking out the trash to get ready for the next week. He said, um what do you say? Let's see. Because I want to read this verbatim because I don't want to i don't want to mess up his words.
thedfsdeli: His passes that travel more than 10 yards downfield have the accuracy of me playing darts after smoking two blunts and downing five shots of Jager. Then he says, actually, I'm more accurate on five shots and two blunts than Watson.
Chilly: it doesn't take much probably
thedfsdeli: That's saying a lot.
thedfsdeli: That's saying a lot. And as, and and as a Browns fan coming from him, he's probably one of the nicer ones. That was probably a nice comment.
thedfsdeli: Anywho, so the state of the quarterback position, we're seeing these guys get astronomical money and we're wondering, is it worth it? Trevor Lawrence obviously just got the bag one in five.
thedfsdeli: Is that coaching? Is it Trevor Lawrence? I think it's a hybrid of both. Why'd you give him so much fucking money? Obviously the Deshaun Watson thing. He's up there with trash. I mean, he's the pinnacle of the trash. And then Dakota Prescott. $60 million dollars a year. And he looks like absolute shit.
thedfsdeli: Like his stats are kind of padded from the Ravens game because all they've done was just try and come back because they said NFL record for, they've been down at halftime at home by more than 15 points for consecutive games that ties an NFL record in front of your home fans. After you've gotten absolutely eviscerated,
thedfsdeli: Four straight times. And he is not helping the cause. His first interception yesterday, that awful throw. And when he was trying to hit CD lamb in the back of the end zone, $60 million. dollars That's what you paid for. You didn't want to call King Henry. No, no, no, no. You pay that guy. Trevor Lawrence multiple times throughout the season. You paid that guy.
thedfsdeli: Meanwhile,
thedfsdeli: you're two leaders in the AFC or the NFC West. Geno Smith journeyman, you don't pay him nothing. Brock party who's going to get a bag at some point, but more knows what San Francisco is actually willing to pay the man winning football games. Sam Darnell journeyman undefeated.
thedfsdeli: a perfect five and O looking like he should be the MVP of the league. He don't make shit. And the examples go on and on. CJ shroud on his rookie contract Anthony Richardson, rookie contract, the Raiders stink.
Chilly: Yep.
thedfsdeli: So he can't even bring their journey men's play. So whatever they, they want to lose.
Chilly: I mean, Aidan O 'Connell's rookie contract, and then I don't even know what they paid Gardner -Minchu. Couldn't have been much.
thedfsdeli: It can't be that much.
Chilly: No.
thedfsdeli: It can't be that much.
Chilly: No, no.
thedfsdeli: But then you go back to the cold situation and Joe Flacco again, who makes nothing has more touchdowns than the shot Watson in three less games.
thedfsdeli: What are we doing? What are we doing? I don't understand in your own division. Like you mentioned earlier, chill the Steelers brought in two guys.
thedfsdeli: They say find it out for the QB position. We'll be aye. They're second to division with a winning record.
Chilly: Yep.
thedfsdeli: Justin Fields might have a new home.
Chilly: He may. He may.
thedfsdeli: Yeah, they they took took two guys off the scrap heap. They're winning games.
Chilly: Yep.
thedfsdeli: But. The Cowboys fan, Dakota 60 we're paying to show wherever we're paying them all guaranteed. I'm doing nothing but losing football games.
thedfsdeli: Again, Sam Darnold, Sam Darnold is undefeated.
Chilly: you
thedfsdeli: Bo Nix is 500. Like what are we doing?
Chilly: just
thedfsdeli: So I want to ask because we saw this trend years ago when teams were paying running backs, the astro, astronomical amount of money. And they said, you know what? Nah, we're done with this. We're just going to draft a guy in the later rounds and pound him until his freaking wheels damn near fall off. And then CMC was the last mega deal and he ain't played a snap this year. So I'm pretty sure they're regretting that at this point. I mean, yes, he was phenomenal last year. They got to the Superbowl and everything, but like,
thedfsdeli: They just stop paying running backs. Like King Henry don't make that much anymore.
Chilly: no
thedfsdeli: Again, league's leading rusher. Don't pay him shit. So are we going to get to the point at the quarterback position? Unless your name is Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Josh Allen, maybe throw a couple of guys in there where they say, you know what?
thedfsdeli: We'll get a rookie, Jay Daniels. Ricky contract.
Chilly: Hey Drake, hey Drake made it look that bad yesterday.
thedfsdeli: Caleb Williams.
thedfsdeli: Jake made even look bad, right?
Chilly: He threw three he threw three touchdowns more than the Sean Wilson.
thedfsdeli: Damn right. You know who didn't? Deshawn Watson.
Chilly: And Houston's a better defense.
Chilly: yeah um
thedfsdeli: Right.
Chilly: So to answer your question, um the answer is no.
thedfsdeli: Right.
Chilly: Um, you got to remember, yeah so like, let's take my team, like, let's take the dolphins. Let's take the Jags. Um, let's take the Raiders when they had Derek Carr, when these teams are in quarterback mediocrity and the Browns can go into this too. When they think they have their guy, they're going to overpay.
Chilly: They're gonna overpay, they're gonna overpay. Kirk Cousins has made a fortune off of this. Now, I think Cousins is a good quarterback. I don't know if you're winning a Super Bowl with him, potentially.
Chilly: um the The last quarterback to kind of get paid and win the Super Bowl actually had to get traded for another quarterback who got paid that didn't win the Super Bowl. And that's Stafford.
Chilly: Other than that, all of these teams were winning on rookie contracts.
thedfsdeli: sans Patrick Mahomes four years ago.
Chilly: Up until when? Like, when did he actually get the bag? Because he's won three. Because he's won three Super Bowls. He's been to four. So, like, did they make the first one on his rookie deal?
thedfsdeli: Yeah. He's only got a big contract one time. Like no, no, he's not.
Chilly: Yeah, and and now currently, I don't even know if he's in the top ten.
Chilly: Yeah, so he's not even getting paid the most.
thedfsdeli: as Because the bag, the bag started escalating with Daniel Jones.
Chilly: Who should have never, right?
thedfsdeli: Oops.
Chilly: So none of the, yeah, right. um Until one of these teams takes a stand and has one of these QBs who they keep for, and I'm not even gonna say they get the franchise tag, right?
thedfsdeli: Whoops.
Chilly: yeah They make you play out that full rookie deal. And if you want to go into a contract situation, they tell you to, you know, screw off and you sit or they just release you. Miami should have did that with Tua. This final year, they should have put him on the, on the franchise tag. He would have made us 37 million or whatever the hell it is for a year.
Chilly: But like I get why these quarterbacks don't want to do it, because they don't want to get exposed. But until one of these teams tells these tells one of these guys no, they're going to get the bag. like Yeah, Jordan Love is having a great season, but like we don't know. I've seen Derek Carr have great seasons.
thedfsdeli: Yeah, but that's okay. So the love for the city is one thing. Merchandise is another thing, obviously, but even relating to the green Bay situation, Malik Willis was winning games and he looked good.
Chilly: Yeah.
thedfsdeli: So like,
Chilly: Matt LaFleur is a good coach. You know, he, Matt LaFleur and Kevin Szafanski basically come from the same tree, except one of them is allowed to play their quarterback. The other one's not.
thedfsdeli: Yeah facts facts, um He's
Chilly: Again, PJ Tucker, DTR, Walker.
thedfsdeli: a Walker, okay the former XFL superstar, okay
Chilly: All right. But what I mean, so nancy he was winning with these guys. But like until one of these teams tells until one of these teams grows a set and tells their QB no, ain't never going to happen.
Chilly: This has been going on since Sam Bradford. How many times that dude got paid and made and made more money than we will ever make in a lifetime.
thedfsdeli: and Sam Bradford had one good year But was it wasn't like his decent year after he left the Rams though, then you go to the Vikings and was like good but Oh, was it Eagles?
Chilly: Well, I thought the Eagles signed him, right?
thedfsdeli: Okay, it was the Eagles.
Chilly: I think it was the Eagles.
thedfsdeli: It was a you know, it was like um yeah, and then it was over Who was the other guy for the Eagles
Chilly: And then he got hurt. Then he then he got hurt. Shocker. um but Nick
thedfsdeli: Winston Super Bowl. No, no, no. The guy that got hurt.
Chilly: Carson Wentz.
thedfsdeli: Carson Wentz.
Chilly: Yep.
thedfsdeli: That's the last big bag. And they're like, shit, we messed up, didn't we?
Chilly: Yeah. Yep.
thedfsdeli: But yes, I 100 % agree with you.
Chilly: but I don't think so. I think Carson Wentz was pre the guaranteed money so it wasn't even that big of a deal to get out of.
thedfsdeli: That's fair. That's fair.
Chilly: because
thedfsdeli: I think like, They have to. So teams, and I agree with your point a hundred percent. Either a team puts their foot down and says, go F off, or you're not getting 250 million guaranteed. Bitch, you're going to get a normal ass contract. And then if you start to suck, get out.
Chilly: Yeah.
thedfsdeli: Simple as that. Like the only, and I know the trend is going to increase the amount of guys that are going to be like the guy for their city. I know it's going to happen as the years go along, but as we sit here today,
thedfsdeli: Josh Allen Buffalo. That's your guy. Patrick Mahomes in Kansas city. That's your guy. Houston with CJ shroud. That's the guy as of now, Jayden Daniels.
Chilly: And Jaden Daniels is gonna break the bank.
thedfsdeli: That's the guy.
Chilly: Because Washington, you know, no.
thedfsdeli: Maybe, but he's on his rookie freaking deal. So there is time for him to go old RG three and suck.
Chilly: I don't think so.
thedfsdeli: I mean, I think he's great.
Chilly: I think he's great, but with obviously new ownership group, if they think that's the guy for new ownership, he's about to get he's about to break the bank.
thedfsdeli: I think he's great.
thedfsdeli: You might get paid next year. safe This rookie deal.
Chilly: yeah if they if they win If they win the division and win a playoff game at home, but I mean,
thedfsdeli: You're a lifer.
thedfsdeli: I mean, I. I agree. Oh, and add, ah add, add Jared golf to that as well, because Detroit loves this dude loves him.
thedfsdeli: I mean, I know he just got paid.
Chilly: yeah.
thedfsdeli: He just got paid again. And you know what rightfully so. I think Jared golf is a really good top tier quarterback in the NFL.
Chilly: I mean as of right now I think Detroit's making the Super Bowl out of the NFC.
thedfsdeli: I agree, especially the absolute hurt they put on the Cowboys on frigging Sunday. They're running trick plays to lineman. They're running double reverses to their tight end.
Chilly: i mean
thedfsdeli: Like they toyed with the Cowboys in front of their own fans. They toyed with them. They were literally chance across Cowboys stadium of Jared Goff.
thedfsdeli: loud chance as well. How, how do you feel if you're Dak Prescott and you're hearing your home team, your home fans chanting the other quarterback's name, that's like cheating on your wife. And she's literally screaming another guy's name. Like that's what happened. That's literally what happened.
Chilly: thing like the thing The thing is, is like I don't think those dudes care. They got paid.
thedfsdeli: That's pathetic. That's sad.
Chilly: They're just gonna come to the press conference, be like, oh, we had a bad game, we all gotta do better, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and they don't care. I mean, right now, the the the Lions are basically the new San Francisco 49ers.
Chilly: Weapons everywhere, good defense. Obviously, with the loss of Aiden Hutchinson, that's gonna be
thedfsdeli: Yeah, that's that's a huge blow.
Chilly: But you know you know when Detroit goes out and trades for Max Crosby, they'll be fine.
thedfsdeli: That'll be fine. You're not wrong, you're not wrong, you're not wrong.
Chilly: yeah Speaking of another team that has poor ownership, yep.
thedfsdeli: oh
thedfsdeli: Yeah, it's ah it's a little pathetic, isn't it? It's a little bad, it's a little bad. um I heard, what was I listening to? I think I was listening to the Four Letter Network um on YouTube today, and they were talking about, to to go back to the Deshaun Watson point is,
thedfsdeli: that he's lost all of his confidence, right? So he's seeing ghosts in the pocket. He can't deliver an accurate ball. And it's because there is zero confidence. Like when you play with confidence, when you play with swag, when you play with I'm the best person on this field and you're all about to feel my in wrath, you're a completely different person. Right? So like the perfect example for me is Baker Mayfield. Again, this dude talks shit, all game.
thedfsdeli: And then he just drops buckets on you. Like once he got into Tampa situation, once they paid him, like even before they paid him, he knew he had a chip on his shoulder. Speaking of teams that beat the living breaks off the Cowboys, the Bucks, same deal. you know it's the It's the same concept. If you don't play this game, if you don't play any game,
thedfsdeli: with confidence, you're going to lose. I don't care how much you get paid. You're going to lose. You're going to look like shit. So form a real life example. And I know, you know, my boy, Evan and Jimmy are listening is that, you know, I'm no pro athlete, obviously, you know, but I do do some recreational sports until you've bold with me before. Once I get the chirping,
thedfsdeli: Y 'all y 'all about to feel it. You know, I'm not the best bowler in the county. I'm not the best bowler in the state. I'm not the best bowler on the US. But when I get to tournament, everybody knows when I walk in the damn door, period. And on those lanes, nobody is better than me. I don't give a damn what the stats say. Nobody is better than me.
thedfsdeli: And I fucking prove it because I got the confidence to say in the back of my mind, I know I'm not the best one out here, but I'm not going to let nobody see it. I'm going to keep chirping. I'm going to keep talking. I'm going to talk a lot of shit on route to dropping, you know, two fifties, two sixties, two seventies on your ass. But if I didn't have the confidence, maybe one 30, one 40, one 50.
thedfsdeli: You know, and I curl up in a little ball and then at, and when we talk later, I'm like, I just got to do better. I got to pick up spares. I got i gotta to hit my mark. I got to do this. Now that when Deshaun Watson plays football, that's literally what's going on is that he has no confidence, no swagger, no amp, no hype, no nothing. And his teammates feel that shit.
thedfsdeli: and And it goes downhill. It starts at the top and goes downhill.
Chilly: I...
thedfsdeli: I was bowling um i was borning with a group last year at States for doubles and singles.
Chilly: I agree.
thedfsdeli: And um my buddy Alex, we're very close friends. We are good friends. But as soon as those lights cut on, we are mortal fucking enemies.
thedfsdeli: You would think that like we want to fight one another. Every misspere, every shot, every bad strike. It is bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, back and freaking forth, man, the entire time. So the group that was with us, with Alex and I, because he was my doubles partner, they didn't really know me. They knew my name, because like I've won a county championship before. I talk a lot of shit and can't. So like around that area, they know who I am. But they never bowled with me. And they got to see that shit firsthand.
thedfsdeli: They're like, this motherfucker is out there. And I'm like, you damn right. Because I may not have the skills to say, I am a 200 plus three, you know, two 50, whatever average bowler, but at the same time, if I come out and act the part, I am the part. The Sean Watson does not act the part anymore. And ownership coaching ah ETC,
thedfsdeli: They need to realize he is not the part any more. Period. Guys like Trevor Lawrence, I think he can get it back. A little coaching change. Think he'll be I deck. I think the guy's mediocre at best, but maybe if he plays like he's not mediocre at best, get that confidence back. Cause I mean, you can see visually on the sideline between him and CD lamb. They ain't on the same page.
thedfsdeli: I don't think these dudes like each other.
Chilly: No, no.
thedfsdeli: I really don't.
Chilly: I mean, I mean, they both got paid. I think CD is, I think that's just a competitive thing. Obviously we know a really good wide receivers shirt. I mean, yep.
thedfsdeli: You can tell CD is a gamer. You can tell he's a gamer.
Chilly: Um, but at the same time, um, and I mean, this was probably statistically proven. I mean, if somebody could fact check me, if they want to, when Dak basically has like 30 or more attempts in the game, like they're below 500 by a lot.
Chilly: You want, like when Dak was at his best, that's when they had Zeke running.
thedfsdeli: Zeke. Yeah.
Chilly: They, they, Dak, Dak needs to play complimentary football.
thedfsdeli: Tony Pollard. Yep.
Chilly: he I think he's a lot like Tua where when that read isn't there They can't go make the play There's no imagination. There's no Mahomes. There's no Josh Allen There's no burrow there's no Lamar there's not like they can't Make something happen. It's like okay reads not there reads not there. It's not there and and then they're getting sacked or throwing it away. like but Dallas needs a running game. Point blank. Before they before they want to come back to relevancy, they need a running game. They need to play complementary football, period.
thedfsdeli: Oh, did I also mentioned that the Sean Watson is the most sack quarterback in the NFL?
Chilly: Not a bro.
thedfsdeli: And it's not close, like not close.
Chilly: Listen, I understand that they had a bad O line, but like at the same time, like You can go back to that Washington game. He's missing dudes wide open.
thedfsdeli: Yep.
Chilly: That's not on the line. That's not the line's fault.
thedfsdeli: You know, has off, you know, as a horrible offensive line, the Cincinnati Bengals, you know, who's just fine.
Chilly: You know who...
thedfsdeli: Joe burrow.
Chilly: Yep. You know who would be the MVP if they were above 500? Joe Burrow.
thedfsdeli: Listen, man, I saw the opening, was it the opening drive of last night's game where literally pocket collapses. Everybody went that way. And Joe burrow hit him with the Kansas city shuffle and went 46 yards to the house with his feet.
thedfsdeli: The Sean Watson is not capable of that.
Chilly: Nope, not at all.
thedfsdeli: Dak Prescott is not capable of that.
Chilly: Tua is not capable of that.
thedfsdeli: these these elite quarterbacks, they can do shit like that.
Chilly: Yep.
thedfsdeli: And the sooner the Browns realize that the more the better off they'll be.
Chilly: Well, listen, 99.
thedfsdeli: And again, the hard one your point from very that the very beginning of the show. The Cleveland Browns are in the worst situation in professional sports.
Chilly: Period.
thedfsdeli: I a long shot. And it's because of number four.
Chilly: Yep.
thedfsdeli: period. What were you saying?
Chilly: Uh, I mean, but basically like, yeah, like two way making that play. None of these guys are making that play.
thedfsdeli: Yep.
Chilly: Um, and 99 .9 % of the organization knows what the problem is. But that 0 .1 % that is that controls 51 shares of the team says, nah, we ride.
thedfsdeli: wa Facts. Facts.
Chilly: I hope Haslam just sits back in his chair and just goes, come on.
Chilly: Come on.
thedfsdeli: Come on.
Chilly: He's not that bad.
thedfsdeli: Come on. Give the guy a chance. Come on.
Chilly: but The stadium still sells out.
thedfsdeli: Right. His bank account's still fat. You're right.
Chilly: Yeah.
thedfsdeli: You're 100 % right. And it's 100 % wrong of the ownership to do the fans this way. Like from, you know, and I'll wrap this up here in a second because we got an actual good Cleveland team to watch here in a minute.
thedfsdeli: but it's not fair to Jaguars fans to be in the situation they're in. It's not fair to Cowboys fans. And I, you know what, I, as much as, you know, I'm not going to put Dajon on blast because he has definitely reeled it back. He he's literally done with his own team. Just like I was done with Cleveland.
Chilly: Yep.
thedfsdeli: But like it's not fair to the Dallas fans that they have to deal with terrible ownership and quite frankly, bad QB play. And it's certainly not fair to the Browns organization where they saw a modicum of success last year by making the playoffs. And they wanted to continue that success and they are unable to.
thedfsdeli: because number four is the QB of the Cleveland Browns.
Chilly: Yeah.
thedfsdeli: It's not fair.
Chilly: I mean, to kind of come back to your point, um it's it like the NFL is better, whether you like it or not, when the Cowboys are good, when the Raiders are good.
Chilly: Like even the Browns like.
thedfsdeli: yeah definite Definitely the Browns, the Browns have so, they have support all across the country.
Chilly: I mean, no.
Chilly: Right. I mean, and these are historic franchises, whether you want to look at them in that way or not. It's not fair to the fans now. I will give the Jacksonville fans some credit when their team sucks.
Chilly: They don't show up Like that team that team has had um that team is a high candidate team to be relocated So I don't blame them in the slightest but When that team's good, they'll they'll maybe show up maybe but
thedfsdeli: You right. That's a good point.
Chilly: Again, you know, it's...
thedfsdeli: That's all fair. That's all fair. All right. Uh, closing thoughts for the night as we, as we clean up the deli, getting ready for our show for Wednesday, when we actually talk, you know, DFS, the trash I feel has been taken out the Cowboys, your trash, Jacksonville, your trash and Cleveland. You needed the extra large hefty bags because there is so much trash to be taken out.
thedfsdeli: in this franchise. The owners, y 'all can go straight to Rumpke.
Chilly: rok
thedfsdeli: Watson, you can go straight to waste management. Whatever third party Kimball, that's another one. Yeah, Kimball. Yep.
Chilly: Watson just has to go to the dump, man.
thedfsdeli: And go there too.
Chilly: Just not even a company to the dump.
Chilly: He needs to go to the land. He needs to go on 77 to the landfill.
thedfsdeli: Like, uh, we remember that episode of spongebob when, uh, what was he doing? Uh, like he was a painter and like he had that, or he was a sculptor and like Squidward was trying to teach us some shit and, and it just like stopped working.
Chilly: He would just hit it.
thedfsdeli: Yeah. yeah And it stopped working after he lost his confidence because Squidward literally took it out of him. That's the Sean Watson. And he needs to put on that trash bag above his head and go scampering off to the dump, to the dump, to the dump, dump, dump, to the dump.
thedfsdeli: to the hey He took off. That's the Sean Watson.
Chilly: Literally.
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