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Predetermined: A Pro Wrestling Hangout- Episode 007- Very Indie... And My New Best Friend Roman Reigns
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During this weeks hangout we discuss a "very indie" wrestling show Garrett attended over the weekend, NJPW Honor Rising, the road to Wrestlemania and our new best friend Roman Reigns!
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Transcript
Introduction and Podcast Overview
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to Predetermined, a pro wrestling hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender. And with me as always, a man who they could never make a wrestling buddy of because he's just too fuckable and that's not good for a kid's toy. Derek Halpin. That's so sweet of you to say, and also really weird.
00:00:16
Speaker
It is a little weird, but today we're going to be talking about a Southern Underground Pro show I attended here in Nashville, Tennessee, as well as the New Japan pay-per-view Honor Rising. We're also going to be reviewing Raw and SmackDown because there's been a lot going on in the WWE this week as we get closer to WrestleMania season.
Social Media and Listener Engagement
00:00:34
Speaker
So yeah, we got a lot going on today and we gave you a bonus episode. So lots to talk about this week. Hit our goddamn music.
00:01:17
Speaker
All right, everybody, we are back. Thank you so much for tuning in.
Indie Wrestling Show Highlights
00:01:22
Speaker
Before we start, I just want to say thanks to all the new listeners out there. If you don't know yet, please follow us on at Wrestle Hangout on Twitter and at Predetermined Podcast on Instagram. Please rate, review, subscribe, do all those things that really helps us out, gets more people listening to this and would really just appreciate that. Thanks so much.
00:01:43
Speaker
We get more excited the more we see people are listening and interacting with us on social media, so keep it up, guys. Oh, having a great time with this. But I want to start off by talking about a wrestling show I attended this weekend. Is that what you want to call it? Hey, this was a very, this was a very indie show. It took place at Basement East, here in Nashville, Tennessee. Very indie is what we're going to call it. All I'm going to say is a very,
00:02:31
Speaker
I didn't really catch his name and I tried looking at the poster and it seemed like a lot of the names got changed on this. I swear to God they said the guy's name was Uncle Biff. Picture if a... I mean, my life flashed before my eyes as this was happening to me. But the man looks like Uncle Fester with less teeth. Very indie.
00:02:40
Speaker
a very large man this weekend, spilled a beer all over me, stole mine, chugged it, and then got in the ring.
00:02:54
Speaker
Very indie. This is going to be my new hashtag that I use. Hashtag very indie. The thing is, I did see some good stuff at this show. One thing I typically don't do at shows, I'm just not a big, I don't drink a lot of alcohol. But this show, when I walked in, I went by myself and I kind of thought, I probably need to put a few beers in me and get prepared for this. Because it was just a ring in the center of a concert venue.
00:03:22
Speaker
You're saying you boozed up for this very indie wrestling show. I got pretty boozed up. It was, uh, you know, I was I was feeling pretty good. And before I even talk about the matches themselves, I would like to say. Very attractive wrestling crowd. Really? Yeah, there were just like a good amount of just really attractive people there. Guys and guys and gals. Handsome. Handsome crowd. Handsome and beautiful wrestling fans around you at this very indie wrestling.
00:03:50
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, I think normally what goes on there is indie bands and things, so a little bit of a hipster crowd there. So some very pretty people. Not that you don't always see pretty people at wrestling shows, but just not your typical wrestling fan. So you boozed up and then you lost two beers because a big guy took them from you.
00:04:10
Speaker
I mean, if that happened to you, would you have tried to fight him back to get that, or do you just accept that that's $5 gone? I have openly told you that I would fight Brock Lesnar, so yeah. Yeah, but that's Brock Lesnar. You weren't staring down the eyes of Uncle Biff.
00:04:29
Speaker
I don't know if this was face paint, but I actually posted a picture on our Instagram. You can see a photo of this man. He did look like he was caked in dirt. That could go either way. Maybe they got him from outside. Maybe that's part of the gimmick. Maybe he didn't even know he was at a wrestling show. Maybe he was genuinely surprised when he walked through that curtain and realized he was gonna have to fight a man. He seemed real excited about it. Very indie.
00:04:55
Speaker
The first match of the night was a fatal four way, maybe there were actually like five people. I think people called out sick and they just started just putting people together. There was a kid named, I believe his name was Danny Adams. I shit you not. This looked like a 13 year old kid. We don't know that he wasn't based on what you told me.
00:05:19
Speaker
No, we don't know. All I know is I'm drunk and I'm like, is this kid 13 years old? He pulls his shirt off, I see a tattoo. I think he at least is 18, right? Or he can get a parent's signature for that. Or it was done in a basement somewhere because it's a very indie wrestling show. Hey, this kid, I don't remember where he was from, but I asked him afterwards, because I thought it was offensive to ask how old he was. I just asked how long he had been wrestling. And he had been wrestling for three years.
00:05:47
Speaker
And very first thing in that match, he just received the dirtiest looking German suplex I've ever seen. Like, this kid folded. Neck should have snapped in half. Like, I asked him, I was like, how did that feel? And that actually, he treated that like it was a dumber question than asking how long he'd been wrestling. That's because it's a work, Garrett. It's not real. It's predetermined.
00:06:12
Speaker
Oh, hey, there are definitely times that wrestlers have worked me to my face, meeting them after a show. One of the first PWG shows I went to, I was talking to Chris Hero afterwards, and I stuck my hand out and we shook hands, and he's like, ow, ow, ow, and he pulled his hand back because Zack Sabre Jr. had just heard it a lot in the match. And I was like, oh, sorry, man. And as I was walking out of the building, I was like, I didn't hurt his hand. He made me feel like I hurt his hand.
00:06:39
Speaker
Do you think that that's like something you have to practice like mentally to know that if the guy's been like working on a body part of yours that and up until the moment you leave the building you have to pretend that you're injured?
00:06:53
Speaker
I think some are better at it than others, but I bet a guy like Hiro who's been doing it that long, that just comes naturally. He's like, I really gotta sell this hand to Garrett. Or Garrett's gonna walk out of here thinking that this isn't real. What people don't know is that the kids who were good at convincing their parents they were sick so they wouldn't have to go to school make the best pro wrestlers.
00:07:15
Speaker
Holy shit, I did that all the time. Yeah, so you still have a career in pro wrestling if you want it. Yeah, I was really good at working up tears. You're an asshole. I could really make myself cry. Dry heaving. Oh, a lot of dry heaving. Working the parents. The thing is, if you got those tears, you can leave in the middle of school. Like, if there's something coming up you don't want, you can get out of it. Wow, years later it comes out. You were working the school, you were working your parents, you were probably working me.
00:07:44
Speaker
I've got to apologize to Mrs. Scranton, Mrs. Rylander. I've really gotta, I need to get on that apology tour and, you know, just let them know. I worked you. I hope to fuck their listening to this podcast right now. That'd be weird, because they would know that you're too fuckable to be a stuffed animal. Yep, but they already knew that. So, what happened at the rest of this show?
00:08:06
Speaker
Jesus Christ one of the other guys in this match I wish I had any other names like I can pull up the poster but as I look at it I'm like I don't think any of these were the people I saw there was there was a guy who he was his gimmick was he came out in flip-flops
00:08:25
Speaker
Uh, he was fun. There were these two guys that called themselves the carneys and they were actually pretty good. And one of them, a guy was doing a topi suicida through the middle ropes and he caught him in an RKO and RKO'd him to a concrete floor.
00:08:45
Speaker
Like there were so many things in this that I was like, you guys are really taking years off of a career right now. And they were probably making, what, 20 bucks? I mean, it cost me 15 to get in. But there was a pretty big crowd. And the crowd was really into it. And I had a good time. I would definitely go back. Well, what was the venue like? Was it just like a bingo hall or?
00:09:05
Speaker
No, it was a concert venue. The stage was in there. I've been to concerts at this place, so they're literally just sitting a ring on the floor in the center of it. No seats. You're just standing around drinking. You were right there in the action. Nice. Let's see. What else? What was the bathroom situation like? Bathroom situation? Good bathroom. Good bathroom. It was clean. But this also took place at 2 o'clock in the afternoon before
00:09:32
Speaker
Before it was officially time to get shit-faced. Exactly. It was like a little pregame before more wrestling later in the day. I like to know what the bathroom situation is when I go to a venue. Just so you know, if you eat and you go there, maybe you gotta poop while you're there. You can do it. You can do it, man. It's gonna be all right. It's not a scary bathroom. Very envy. First time I went to PWG, they clogged all the toilets. Couldn't use the bathroom all night. It was awful.
00:10:02
Speaker
Oh, so you had a good time. I did have a good time. I saw my first dog collar match, which the dog collar broke almost immediately in that match became find any weapon you can and just beat the shit out of the other guy. It's a go to.
00:10:17
Speaker
One of the guys in it was the guy who actually runs the show, I'm told, as one of the founders of this organization, and the guy he was fighting was one of his best friends, so they were very, very willing to just beat the piss out of each other. When you're friends with the guy you're working with, it seems like you don't have a problem laying it in pretty hard, which is, you know, I'll do that to you. I know you would. I goddamn know you would, you son of a bitch.
00:10:45
Speaker
But I, actually, just bringing that up, over, I believe it was last Friday, Chuck Taylor and his best friend Trent Beretta had a match for the PWG title. And those two, you always think it's gonna be a comedy match, but then they just get so brutal on each other. And he actually tore, I believe he tore Trent's peck or bicep. He was wrestling hurt over the weekend at that New Japan show.
00:11:14
Speaker
and still tuft it out overseas. And he ended up tweeting out like, I have to take a break, tore my pack at PWG.
Bullet Club Drama and Speculation
00:11:22
Speaker
See ya. That's what he put on Twitter, just see ya. Here's the sitch. But since he's out, I believe that means Chuck Taylor actually gets to step into a New Japan tournament. Nice. So it's going to be, you know, kill your best friend, take a spot. Good for you, Chuckie T.
00:11:39
Speaker
Yeah, that dog collar match, man. Those guys, like, a lot of unprotected steel chair shots to the head. One of them took a computer keyboard and smashed it over the other guy's head. I really thought that thing was just going to shatter and explode, but that made just a real hard thud that created blood out of the top of this ball, man.
00:11:59
Speaker
So if you're looking for a good weapon around your house for an intruder, it really seems like a computer keyboard is going to get you there. I bet you that's visually stimulating too, seeing all the keys fly everywhere. Oh, if they had flown anywhere, they didn't. What? But they didn't budge. It was like he had, you know, maybe a computer keyboard from like 1984. Those things were solid. Oh, Jesus.
00:12:21
Speaker
Yeah, this thing, like, it cra- it just cracked the top of this dude's head. Uh, let's see, I saw a lady named Ally Cat wrestle a man named Slutty Cat.
00:12:33
Speaker
Then, oh, holy shit, yeah, I do need to bring up this match. This is probably, they said, if you thought the dog collar match made you squeamish, wait for this. The guy's name was Kevin Koo, and the lady's name, let me see if I can find it on here. Her name was Angelus Lane. I guess this was the third match in a series for them. And she came out wearing a shirt that said, I broke Kevin Koo's neck.
00:13:02
Speaker
And I guess in their match they had had six months prior, she broke his neck and they came back to do it again. And that was match two. Oh no, this was just like, this was towards the end of the night. This was closer to main event time. No, but I meant, but I meant, you said it was, it was a, it was like the third match in a series. So match two in the series was six months ago. Yeah. And she broke his neck.
00:13:25
Speaker
So these two beat the absolute piss out of each other. One thing that always makes me uncomfortable, especially if it's a wrestler I've never seen before, is knowing, can this person give another person a pile driver and me not watch somebody die?
00:13:41
Speaker
So you still tense up any time that someone breaks out the pile driver. Oh, even when I saw like Chris Hero giving pile drivers somebody that I'm like, I trust that he can do this. I still get worried, especially like in this match. I watched this guy lay down a folding chair like actually unfold it to the CD, you know, towards the sitting position and gave this lady a pile driver through it.
00:14:04
Speaker
onto onto the seat part. Yeah. Well, that's a great segue because I was going to ask you were saying they were they were given unprotected chair shots to the head. Is that something that like because they've kind of done away with that a lot. How do you react to that when you see that now?
00:14:20
Speaker
In a lot of indie shows now, I've seen them more recently like in a Gorilla Warfare match, but at those matches, a lot of the chairs are kind of plastic seats. So there's like, you know, I'm sure it still hurts like hell. I'm pretty sure you can still get a concussion from getting hit with plastic. But there's still something about seeing and hearing that steel chair just collide with another, just with a human being's skull. You know, it's funny though, with those chairs, there may actually be a little bit more given those than the plastic because the plastic doesn't like bend.
00:14:51
Speaker
And that's true. Every time you see him get hit with the steel chair, like it is bending and giving, but it just makes such a horrific sound or audibly it's it's stimulating as hell. It is something that's pretty shocking still. But either way, if you're in the Nashville area and you see that one of the Southern Underground pro shows are happening, absolutely worth the 15 bucks to go fill your body with some beer. Enjoy watching these guys beat the shit out of each other.
00:15:18
Speaker
Don't let them steal your beer. Don't let them take your beer or you're going to be a little bit pissed off because you spent a little bit more to go to this very indie wrestling show. You're not going to let very indie go. Very indie is my new favorite thing.
00:15:35
Speaker
There's your t-shirt. Very indie. Very indie. All right, man. So I had you watch some New Japan. You gave me homework. I did give you a little homework. I gave you the New Japan password. I was like, you get on there and at least watch the main event of night two. This was a two night show. It was kind of a ring of honor taking some of their guys over to New Japan and putting on a series of matches over the span of two days over in Japan.
00:16:00
Speaker
So I got to see some of the drama playing out between Kenny Omega and his former Bullet Club teammates. So what I saw today was a really damn good match. And I'm liking the way that the storylines playing out where it doesn't seem like anyone else other than Cody is excited about Omega like not being in the Bullet Club anymore.
00:16:24
Speaker
So I don't know. There was a lot of cool back and forth in this match. And I my favorite I think my favorite part was towards the end of the match when Cody blatantly leaned in and kissed a bushy. And that place went apeshit. I think well because so Kodo bushy and Kenny Omega are a group called the Golden Lovers.
00:16:47
Speaker
Yes. They are, we are led to believe to be lovers. And I believe when Cody kissed him, if I saw somebody write a caption for that, and Cody said something along the lines of, he'll never love you like I love you, or something along those lines, as far as just the match quality, because I know you haven't seen a ton of New Japan. What did you think?
00:17:14
Speaker
Really good match. You see a lot of spots that you don't necessarily see, at least with WWE wrestling. A lot of putting guys up on each other's shoulders. A lot of spots where they did diving out of the ring. I think at one point Marty scrolled at a crossroads. I don't know. There's just something about their matches that you feel like there's a little more, it feels a little more like a fight and it also feels more dangerous.
00:17:44
Speaker
I think the way the crowd is for the New Japan crowd is a little bit, it adds something to the match because there's a lot of, I don't know, I guess it's quieter, so you're able to hear the guys talking to each other more, which we talked about a couple episodes ago, which I actually, it's an element to pro wrestling that I wish more guys did, which is just being able to hear guys have exchanges in the ring and shit talk each other. And there was a lot of that going on in the match.
00:18:13
Speaker
No, I think... I don't know. This is such an interesting time to kind of follow what's going on with New Japan and Ring of Honor just because the Bullet Club is splitting even though people keep saying it's fine.
00:18:29
Speaker
I don't think it's fine. I think after this weekend, we officially can say the Bullet Club is not fine. It's not fine. I told you it's not fine. Hey, I was just going with what Cody was telling me. Why are you going with what Cody? You've picked your side. I didn't pick my side. Cody's never lied to me. Why should I believe that the Bullet Club isn't fine? If Cody tells me it's fine, it's probably fine. So now you know that it's not fine and that Cody was lying to you and you got what? Well, I mean, now I'm learning that Cody isn't trustworthy.
00:18:59
Speaker
I mean the suits and the blonde hair I really like I look at that man and I think like he seems like a real straight shooter you were tricked sir we're playing along right now we're playing along with a really good storyline I don't know you had mentioned to me the other day that you think that maybe the direction this whole thing is going is that the Bullet Club is gonna be one group and the elites gonna be another group and
00:19:22
Speaker
See, because they still have the OG Bullet Club, or some of the OG Bullet Club in Japan, and a lot of those guys don't wrestle a lot over here. And I could easily see, because the thing is, every time the Bucks have come up with something and WWE's taken it away from them, they find another way to get over. Like these guys can just make absolutely anything work. And I could see where they're a group of like five guys right now who, this is probably like the silliest version of the Bullet Club that's existed.
00:19:51
Speaker
you know it's always been a little more serious than this I feel like and we have this group of guys calling themselves the elite and I could easily see them ended up taking on you know the original Bullet Club and parting their ways because also right now is not the best time to be selling t-shirts with guns and bullets all over them yeah probably not you had brought that up and I had been wondering that for a few months actually um if that was gonna factor in at all
00:20:16
Speaker
I only have one Bullet Club shirt, and I do feel a little uncomfortable wearing it out in public. Like, I wouldn't do a wrestling show, but, you know, just a shirt with bullets and guns. Like, right now, it's not, you know, it's just, it is a little uncomfortable. There's some negativity around it. So, yeah, I get that. That's totally something they could end up doing. I just think it's such a, like, it's a ballsy maneuver, regardless of whatever, whatever else you want to talk about. It's a ballsy maneuver on their part for their building towards this, you know, all in show.
00:20:47
Speaker
And in the process of building towards this show, they're essentially fracturing this stable that has actually transcended the wrestling industry as a whole because you can't look into a WWE crowd in the background without seeing three or four or five Bullet Club shirts.
00:21:05
Speaker
So it's I mean yeah and as you look around it's it's not even like you're just seeing the young bucks when you're looking around you're seeing hangman page you're seeing a lot of villain shirts which I believe the villain ones were actually some of the higher selling shirts correct
00:21:20
Speaker
Yeah, I just I know I watched the match. I liked it. Interesting to see where it goes. I think I think they're splitting it in the right way. I think it makes sense that Skrull was teamed with Cody.
00:21:35
Speaker
Yeah, because Marty, he's really he was really struggling with wanting to fight Kenny on that. Yeah, he was. And then eventually I think he just gave in and went for it. And I liked that he was hesitant to it. And I had said to you, like, I feel a little bit bad because it feels like Cody's the way they're portraying this. Cody is essentially orchestrating this this friction. And Marty's not happy about it. The Bucks aren't happy about it. Hangman's not happy about it. So I guess we'll see how it plays out. But I guess the one thing I didn't say this
00:22:05
Speaker
Omega seems to have moved on. He doesn't seem to be that haunted by the split here. Yeah, I'm sure that when Kenny Omega sent Kota Ibushi that video challenging him, that he had no idea they were gonna be a team nine years later. Right.
00:22:22
Speaker
No, but it's it's one of the things that's on the table. Like you cross paths with a guy later on. I think if you go back to the fuck, I don't think people, you know, five years ago would have thought they would have seen Goldberg and Lesnar have a program again after the way the first round ended. But I wouldn't think anyone would have wanted to book that. No, you would have thought.
00:22:42
Speaker
but also i just think with this one of the coolest things is how many promotions have two of their top guys is gay characters and actually they get treated as athletes and not as a joke kind of like gold dust in the attitude era well i mean i guess they're not treated as a joke but it is part of the it is part of the the shtick
00:23:03
Speaker
I mean if you're gonna have the name golden lovers you're you're alluding to that it's not like it's not as though they're treating it like they're not addressing it but no it's definitely something that you don't you don't see it's not something where you know one of the top stars in the company is by and everyone is like
00:23:23
Speaker
That does not matter to me. We are going to buy this t-shirt. And that's awesome. Right. It makes me really happy. It makes it seem like, you know, wrestling fans have progressed a little bit from, you know, chanting awful things at people like during the Attitude Era. Oh, they're still doing that, by the way.
00:23:38
Speaker
Oh my god, I heard what happened with Kyrie saying recently and that was very upsetting. Yeah, so I mean, you're specifically, this is one of those things that it probably works so well because it's happening in Japan. Which is sad that we have to qualify it with that, but yeah, it probably works so well because it's not happening here in the States.
00:23:58
Speaker
I see WWE having a much harder time with that, but then also, you do see like an NXT, one of their most over guys right now, is a very flamboyant character and that's Velveteen Dream.
00:24:09
Speaker
Right. I wanted to talk about this with you when we were talking on our last episode, I think. I think there are certain things that for whatever reason, because of the environment they're in, they work. And I think there's stuff that works in NXT that I sometimes, it's not because I haven't any personal issues with it, but I look at it and I go, oh, this works at NXT because it's a smaller stage. I wonder how this will work when it gets to the main roster and it's on national television every week.
00:24:38
Speaker
And I don't know, man. Like you said, the thing is, I've been surprised with some of that stuff, though, because somebody like Elias, I'm like, this does not work in NXT. How is this going to work anywhere? But then, you know, it ends up getting to the main roster and Elias is huge. Well, I guess apparently, you know, Triple H had told him that this is a main roster gimmick.
00:25:01
Speaker
So at least they're aware of there's a difference between how things get handled between NXT or the main roster, or how things get handled between New Japan and WWE. Yeah, I do agree with that. I feel like bigger characters belong on Raw, or at least they see it that way.
00:25:25
Speaker
Yeah, I think, I think, I think like you, yeah, more outrageous. You know what I mean by big? I don't mean like powerful. I mean like. No, yes. Just a more character-y character. Yeah, when you're, when you're more of a character than you are just a name wrestling, then you're, you're meant for the main roster. And that's it. But, but I guess, but I guess then like you said, then I guess if a guy like Velveteen Dream, that's a, that's a character.
00:25:50
Speaker
That's, I mean, maybe he, but I think that guy is just so talented that he is gonna, he's just gonna make it work. Right. Well, how do you think a guy like Alistair Black would transition to the main roster?
00:26:02
Speaker
Well, when I see, like I saw Alistair wrestle a whole bunch as Tommy End, and I think that guy's just a cool badass. But now they've kind of transitioned him into maybe he's a dark wizard, I don't really know. He's definitely got something occult going on, like he maybe, dude has a spell book. Like whether or not he bought it as a joke, maybe he got it as a joke gift from somebody, dude owns a book of spells somewhere. What are the odds they call him up and immediately put him in a feud with Bray Wyatt?
00:26:30
Speaker
Oh my god, he's gonna kick Bray Wyatt's head off. And that should be his first match. Bray Wyatt comes out, turns upside down, he kicks him in the face, just wins. Black mass over. Because it seems like we need to just rocket this guy into the Undertaker's spot. You would've thought that they would've done that with Wyatt, but they seemed a little hesitant to do that. Don't know why, but... Well, do you think they saw Tommy in, saw his tattoos, and were like, hmm. Taller.
00:26:57
Speaker
I'm glad you said they, but then you did Vince's voice. He is they. He is the boardroom. Well, speaking of Vince. Yeah, let's get into it, man. This was a busy week for Raw. Like, we finished talking about that pay-per-view, and God damn it, if things did not just switch so fast in my mind. Did they? Did they really switch? Well, let's just go ahead and get to it. Let's not bury the lead on this. We're talking about Roman Reigns.
00:27:25
Speaker
Yes, it was a very good addition to Raw. It was actually a really good addition to SmackDown this week, too. Break it down what happened? On Raw? No, break down just what happened with Roman. Well, Roman Reigns comes out on Raw, and he's supposed to have a face-to-face with Brock Lesnar. And Reigns comes out and says that he's not going to cover for the company. Lesnar's not there, and that he's going to say some things that are going to get him in trouble.
00:27:54
Speaker
and proceeds to cut this worked shoot promo, like the best promo that Reigns has ever cut in his fucking life. Bar none. He had some good stuff in his program with Cena, but this, nah, this is the best thing he's ever done with a mic. And he proceeds to shred Lesnar and says that, you know, Lesnar's hiding behind his contract. He says that Lesnar doesn't respect the audience, anyone in the back, he doesn't respect, you know, the WWE.
00:28:22
Speaker
and says that he doesn't respect him and he doesn't fear that bitch. And Roman Reigns said bitch on live TV, which is funny because there was just so much swearing in the Attitude Era, but now they curse so little that every time Roman Reigns says bitch, and it is only him saying it, and it's usually to Brock Lesnar. And you know, it'll happen every six months or so. It is jarring.
00:28:50
Speaker
Well, so let's talk about why the promo was awesome. The promo was awesome because Reigns tapped into something that
00:29:01
Speaker
You know, people have been asking him to do his whole career, which is he needs to be more charismatic. He needs to learn how to cut a promo and he does it and he hits it out of the park. And I think part of the thing that really sold it to me was it wasn't that he was just putting himself over. There was a moment where he goes, me and everyone in the back were our asses off. Well, sure. It was the first time that he made it feel like, you know, he was part of the team.
00:29:29
Speaker
Yeah he was definitely tapping into not well not just for you know everyone presumably working for the company but he was speaking for the fans and that's why it resonated so well is because there's a lot of fans who feel frustrated with Brock Lesnar's part-time schedule with him getting paid a whole bunch of money to to not make all the dates and
00:29:47
Speaker
I don't know, I mean, he got the reaction. Every year around WrestleMania, we have to deal with him like hanging out with the UFC in front of the WWE, trying to get them to give him the exact same contract again, if not for more money and less dates.
00:30:02
Speaker
I mean, you and I could do a whole episode where we talk about how we truly feel about Lesnar's status with WWE. But the fact that Reigns was able just to tap right into that and say, well, we're not going to avoid
Roman Reigns' Promo and WWE Storylines
00:30:15
Speaker
that. We're just going to address it. And that's how we're going to build the hype for our match at Mania.
00:30:21
Speaker
and it worked. Um, it was very, very fucking effective and it got me excited and it was made me happy to see him finally like kill a promo. Um, it was to a thing that when he came out and he says, I did exactly what I said I was going to do. I was going to win the elimination chamber. I was just like, Oh boy, here we go. Here's a Roman reigns promo.
00:30:43
Speaker
And by the end of that goddamn thing, I swear to God, I was wearing a Roman Reigns t-shirt and had a little pennant with Roman Reigns name on it, just waving it around on my couch, where I'm like, fuck yeah, it's the big dog, it's his yard. You're going down, Lester. Let's do it, WrestleMania 34. Fuck you. You got worked. Oh, I got worked so hard by the end. I'm punching the air. I'm like, he is going to spear him. He's going to spear me. He's going to Superman punch him. And he's going to send him out of this company. And he's doing it for us, man. Yeah. He's going to do it.
00:31:13
Speaker
Yeah. Um, yeah. Needless to say, I'm the biggest, I'm the biggest, like I posted a thing where it was just like, it really was that stepbrother is like, did we just become friends? Yep. Yeah. So I, it's safe to say you're 110% sold on Reigns Lesnar now.
00:31:32
Speaker
I mean, there's a lot of time for him to just go back to the same promo, but if they're just like, if every week they're just like, go out and shoot on Lesnar, tell him what you really feel. I think like by the end of this, like, I'm gonna wanna go get a beer with Roman Reigns, and that's not something I ever wanted.
00:31:49
Speaker
here's my here's I guess my question response to this is you know from raw do you really think they they told reigns he could go out there and cut a shoot promo and Brock Lesnar and that when Paul Heyman and Lesnar finally do show up that they're not going to get the opportunity to do the same thing right back
00:32:06
Speaker
Oh, they're definitely going to get their chance. But do you think that Lesnar really didn't show up? Do you think that was all a work or do you think that was just? At that point, it's just a dude not showing up to work. I hear conflicting reports. I keep hearing conflicting reports. Meltzer had reported that there were versions of the script for Raw that involved Lesnar being there.
00:32:30
Speaker
And then I heard that there was like real complications and there were real reasons why he couldn't show up and then they just, they, they winged it. Um, it was a work shoot. I, like, I don't, I'm sure reigns probably is annoying. I'm sure there's a lot of guys back there who were annoyed by the Lesnar schedule and whatnot. But I'm also pretty sure that reigns probably has something of a relationship with Brock.
00:32:54
Speaker
and that they're courteous to each other backstage. And so I don't think that Reigns just got frustrated and went out there and cut like a real shoot promo on Brock. But it is cool that they're letting everybody say this, because Alexa Bliss kind of had the same thing before Elimination Chamber when she came out and said, wait a minute, the men's champ never is here, and I have to defend mine in the chamber?
00:33:20
Speaker
Oh, fuck yeah. I mean, if you had given me the book Monday after Elimination Chamber, this is exactly how I would have written it. So they're handling it, in my opinion, the best way they can. And it'll be interesting to see, like I said, when Lesnar and Heyman come back, what their response is. And God, I'm going to a Raw House show this weekend in Chicago at the United Center. And I'm kind of interested to see if that will get addressed at all when Lesnar's there because he's supposed to wrestle Kane for the Universal Championship.
00:33:50
Speaker
Which is weird because I guess Kane has been backstage at the last couple shows. Right. But hasn't been working. Wasn't he written off TV because of Strowman attacking him and flipping the announce table on him? That's true. I was wondering if the match you end up seeing really will be Kane versus Lesnar if it ends up getting changed. Well they just released a video yesterday advertising the event this weekend and they once again
00:34:15
Speaker
They're saying they're doing Roman Reigns versus John Cena, and they're saying they're doing Kane versus Lesnar. Holy shit, if you get Cena versus Reigns, that's a pretty big match for a house show. Correct, and that's not even the Finn Balor's and the Seth Rollins's.
00:34:32
Speaker
Damn, you are going to get a good show. I am getting a damn good show. Is there anything else on that card that is worth mentioning, like a special event? They haven't announced anything beyond those two matches. So I don't know. I guess we'll see. And it's just such a stacked roster right now that any number of matches are going to be worth watching. I'm going to a house show in the States that has Cena and Lesnar on the card. So I can't complain.
00:34:59
Speaker
Oh yeah, and I believe, what, you said you're sitting on the floor for that? Yeah, I got a cheap floor seat, so pretty excited to be back on the floor for a WWE show. Yeah, that'll be, I'm excited to hear about that next week. Yeah, so Rob was good this week.
00:35:14
Speaker
It was a lot of the Miz getting the shit beat out of him. A lot of the Miz getting the shit beat out of him and then not giving any clarity on what's going to happen with the Intercontinental title because Rollins and Balor both end up beating the Miz, both potential. I mean, it could end up being a triple threat. I know that we had talked about this two or three different times on this podcast, but the rumor was that Strowman was going to face the Miz for the Intercontinental title at Mania.
00:35:38
Speaker
It doesn't look like they're going that direction after all, you never know. But at this point, yeah, it looks like they could end up putting Strowman in the main event even. It's hard to say at this point. That's actually a rumor right now is that between, okay, so we have to address something that's been kind of rumbling on the internet and we haven't really talked about it. There's rumblings going on that rains could get popped for HGH or steroid use any day now.
00:36:07
Speaker
Well that's what we were sitting around waiting for at Elimination Chamber, where we're like, this could happen, this could be why Finn Balor wins. And I don't know if you heard me say that sad, because I'm still thinking about it. Yeah, no, you're gonna lose sleep over it still too. No, I've heard that they're keeping Strowman there as a backup option in case either Reigns gets popped, or if Lesnar refuses to do business for Vince, which would be fucking insane.
00:36:36
Speaker
Can you imagine the night before WrestleMania or the week or the month or anything in the midst of WrestleMania? And that would get mainstream publicity. And I don't know if it would be negative or positive, but it would be fucking publicity if Lesnar just fucking like because, OK, since it's a work, all the like all the mainstream news outlets are going to definitely make us feel like, oh, Lesnar's saying, fuck this, you know, fake sport shit and going back to UFC are going to do whatever.
00:37:06
Speaker
But I don't know, man. You have to believe that when Vince agreed to put the belt on him at last year's Mania, that this was the game plan from the get-go.
00:37:18
Speaker
No, so, fuck, I forgot about, he really has held it for a full year. Yes, and it was the rumor back when Owens was still Universal Champion. The rumor was Owens is gonna drop the title of Goldberg, Goldberg's gonna drop the title of Lesnar, and Lesnar's gonna hold the belt for a year and then drop it to Reigns at next year's WrestleMania. It's been in the works for over a year, this game plan.
00:37:41
Speaker
So, Lesnar does have a lot of fucking leverage here. And he can just at any time be like, yeah, well I don't like that game plan. I don't want to do it. Was there real goal in that to make Brock Lesnar so boring and not there? That you're like, I would rather Roman Reigns have it because at least he's around. There's two schools of thought I think you can go down when you're talking about the Universal title.
00:38:06
Speaker
you could be on my side of the argument, which is that if you're trying to establish a new world title, shouldn't the title be on the show weekly? Like people should be seeing it and shouldn't people be like getting used to it like as far as like embracing it? And then there's made the thought process they clearly took, which is no, we'll keep it as a commodity and keep it off the show and he'll defend it four times over the course of the year and make it special. And it just depends on which one you buy into more.
00:38:35
Speaker
Well, I will have to say, if he had been there more often, or if the belt had been present, the Miz probably wouldn't have gotten to where he is now. Probably not. So you're not gonna complain. His belt also meant something because he was one of the only dudes around with one. Right. Yeah, I mean, and I guess... Thanks, I guess. I guess. But again, I think I asked this question on our podcast that we recorded yesterday, which was,
00:39:06
Speaker
Why would Vince allow himself to be in this situation again, a few years later, where the title is on the guy who could potentially leave? It's like, it's like the fucking Bret Hart screw job situation. Why is the fucking belt on a guy who's getting ready to walk out the door and now you have to negotiate with to get the result you want? That's stupid business.
00:39:35
Speaker
yeah I don't I don't get it like it I know we're trying to say be nice no and I'm not even ripping it I'm just trying to figure it out like maybe I get it like I think to just
00:39:51
Speaker
I don't know, Lesnar's star power doesn't mean as much as it did a year ago. Or two years ago. For three years ago. I feel like he shouldn't have as much leverage anymore. And honestly, if he were gone at this point, I wouldn't be super disappointed. Like I said, if he popped up for special events,
00:40:10
Speaker
where like sign him off for a one-off where he comes on and has like a really cool match with somebody special you know like a WrestleMania like he's a dude that pops up WrestleMania season and it's like oh who's gonna have a Brock match this year in other words he could be the new Undertaker he could be the new Undertaker or like you know once a year we get a Triple H match
00:40:32
Speaker
Yeah, except I would actually be more interested in a Lesnar returning once a year as opposed to Hunter. But, yeah, I don't know, man. I'm not gonna be negative on it because like you said, it was the right way to go with Reigns cutting the promo and taking all these real life feelings that people have about Lesnar and his time in WWE and his title reign and kind of bringing them to the forefront. So, I mean, and this is the other thing, there was a lot of good stuff on Raw.
00:41:03
Speaker
I don't know, man. Rollins dove almost goddamn corner to corner doing a frog splash on the Miz. Rollins dove across the country to land on the Miz. And it was a great fucking spot. And again, another great match. That crowd was hot. This is something you see Seth Rollins do. This is something you see on 205 Live. Right. Plugging 205 Live in the middle of Raw. Yeah, I mean, I guess, I'll give you this.
00:41:28
Speaker
I am more excited for Reigns Lesnar today than I was on Sunday night. And I guess that's the only goal. Honestly, you know how we talked about yesterday how a lot of people were saying, well, at least I can go to my car early or at least I can go home early and go to bed or whatever. I feel like less people felt that way yesterday for sure. Absolutely.
00:41:51
Speaker
I mean, they were in Anaheim, I mean, you know, right outside of LA, so the majority of the crowd is a Los Angeles crowd. And that's a tough crowd. They've seen a lot. And they normally, I've been in that building when they're booing Roman Reigns.
00:42:07
Speaker
He got cheered pretty hard last night. Honestly, and I've talked about this already, but if they were smart, they would come right back and Paul Heyman would shoot on reigns and say, it must just eat you alive that you've been pushed to the moon for the last four years and you still can't hold an audience in the palm of your hand.
00:42:30
Speaker
that you're still not getting the respect you think you deserve. Heyman should just come right out and say all the things that fans think about Reigns and take this shit up to 11.
00:42:39
Speaker
He might even be able to do it in a way that makes us all feel bad for the way we've treated him. He probably can, because he's like, you are here every single day working. You come in, you grind, they boo you. Because that was part of it, even when he's like, I'm here every day. And I'm like, oh, shit, you are, man. And I'm sorry.
00:43:03
Speaker
Well, but here's the thing. I think if you grabbed any like fan that they I mean, there's only probably a few people who would tell you they would rather have reigns or have Lesnar as champion over reigns. Because and one is Brock Lesnar guy. Yeah. But no, Rob was good this week. Big news on Smackdown tonight.
SmackDown Highlights and WWE Fastlane Build-up
00:43:24
Speaker
I have not seen any of SmackDown so what you're going to tell me is news. SmackDown has suffered in the creative department over the last month or so but shame on you for not being loyal to SmackDown and being caught up on what's going on in the blue brand because some great stuff happened tonight.
00:43:44
Speaker
The New Day and the Usos cut one motherfucker of a promo on each other, another shoot-style interview. Usos basically saying that the New Day prance around in bright, colorful shit and that they've been there before and that they have to evolve. And the New Day fired back and said, you know, we've been on top of our fucking game here for, what, five years now. We hosted WrestleMania while you guys were eating and catering, I think it was one of the lines.
00:44:12
Speaker
Oh shit they weren't even on that show were they? Well that was part of the promo. The Usos says they have been there for I guess they said nine years and they have never been on WrestleMania. Like the main card. Holy shit I mean the first year I went they were in the pre-show. Yeah they've never been on the main card. The Usos have been overlooked every year.
00:44:31
Speaker
So is this their year? Are they finally getting one? It seems like they're alluding to that. So then they're having this kick-ass promo and then the Bludgeon Brothers come out and both teams just kind of bail. Then we have this awesome main event match between AJ Styles and John Cena. If John Cena can beat AJ Styles, he gets added to the WWE Championship match at Fastlane.
00:44:51
Speaker
They go back and forth, have a pretty damn good match for a main event on TV. It goes almost like 20, 25 minutes, I think. Good. I'm loving that they're giving us these longer matches lately. That's what I wanted a match. I want to watch a match as long as a TV show lasts.
00:45:10
Speaker
Well, speaking of TV shows, they had to plug that new, whatever the new show is on USA that's about the murderers of Biggie and Tupac. So that's probably one of the reasons they had such a big SmackDown Man event was to lead into that. But John Cena, I think he hit three attitude adjustments. One of them threw a table on Styles and then pinned them. So was it a no DQ match or what was the stipulation?
00:45:37
Speaker
Well, it was just a regular match, but as far as WWE rules, the table is not.
00:45:45
Speaker
If you throw somebody through the table, that is not against the rules, because you're not technically... Oh, you mean the announced table? Yeah. Okay, sorry. I thought Cena pulled out a table. Sorry. My bad. Cena, it's okay. No. They're like, have you seen him lately? That guy's moping in the halls. Don't disqualify him. He needs this. Well, that was the cool thing. During this match, this was a different John Cena. This was a guy who was, he was all business tonight, because running out of time, I still think, the rumor is they're still doing John Cena versus Undertaker at WrestleMania.
00:46:14
Speaker
but he said it's impossible. Of course he did. But apparently Undertaker's training for the match and have to assume that at some point during the sixth, which is now a six-man match in Fastlane, I have to assume at some point either during the match or right after, Taker's probably going to accept the challenge.
00:46:34
Speaker
And for sure. Are you excited about this again? That was something that last night. Did you hear the crowd when he said there is nothing more WrestleMania than John Cena fighting the Undertaker at WrestleMania? That's a great thing. I'm glad you brought that up because I knew that there was something I was leaving off of the raw recap, which is that the crowd reacted like they fucking wanted it.
00:46:56
Speaker
And there's a lot of people saying that they don't, but that crowd last night was fucking hyped for it. And it wasn't like they were just doing it because they were hyped for Cena, because that crowd was still doing the traditional 50-50 reaction to John Cena. But. But I also think this, like I was saying, this new John Cena that we're getting, that I like, I'll call him sad boy Cena, because he just, he loses a fucking match and then he comes out and he has to be like, well I got knocked down again and I gotta try.
00:47:25
Speaker
I think Cole or somebody said, I've never seen Cena so downtrodden that I wrote that sentence down when he said it because I'm like, oh, I have. Every John Cena promo now should just have the sad harmonica in the background. That's literally it's just this sad boy Cena. And I think the crowd is just like.
00:47:46
Speaker
a little more behind him because it's like Cena's been humbled a little bit. But just like when he said that Cena's never been so downtrodden, do you remember a couple years ago when there was the match that if the authority lost, they were no longer the authority and they were gone and it was just like a perfect fantasy land? It was Survivor Series, wasn't it?
00:48:05
Speaker
Yeah, but then something happened and the authority came back. And it was John Cena's fault. And when they came back on Raw the night after that pay-per-view, Cena was in the middle of the ring with the entire roster and had to just announce that the authority was back in charge. And I remember like crying laughing at how sad he looked.
00:48:27
Speaker
you're an asshole well he was because it was just like oh I was just letting Cole know like when he had never seen John Cena so downtrodden here it's like oh I know there I was there for it I wish that I wanted somebody to put together a package of three or four years ago all the times John Cena and promos whether it was with Bray Wyatt or Kevin Owens he would say
00:48:48
Speaker
The next generation, if they want to make it here, the road runs through me. And I just want to splice all the times he said that together in a package and then cut to now where the road did run through him and he's really, really sad about it.
00:49:03
Speaker
because the thing's just going to look like Stiles Clash, coup de gras. Papa Power Bomb. Papa Power Bomb. Superman Punch. Fucking Power Slam from Brock Strowman. It's going to whatever Elias' finisher is, Kinshasa. It's just one after another of just seeing a losing over and over. That is a long, tough road there, Jon.
00:49:27
Speaker
And the thing is, I still like seeing it at this point, but there is something about him telling me like, this is the most WrestleMania thing that could possibly happen. You have not seen this. This is like our last chance. That's the thing is that I was in the camp, I think we talked about this. I feel like they're too late on it. But the way he cut the promo and just kind of made it seem like, dude, we're two icons.
Undertaker's Legacy and Future Matches
00:49:52
Speaker
This is WrestleMania.
00:49:54
Speaker
Like, let's be fair, Undertaker's sendoff last year like the way the show ended was fucking awesome.
00:50:01
Speaker
Oh, it was great, just everybody was crying, like goodbye, Taker, it was awesome. The match itself? Eh. Eh. Like it was kind of sloppy, it was a little, you know, but it was also a really long show and it was a slower match to end the night. Sure, but let me propose this idea while we're talking about it. Do you believe that John Cena, even with Undertaker's marks with his old age,
00:50:27
Speaker
Do you think that John Cena can squeeze one more really good match out of Undertaker before he rides off into the sunset? I think those two can put on a good match together because I think they can work like a main event style where taker doesn't have to do you know big spots like where he's not gonna be I mean I guess he didn't really do that with Reigns either but I just think the two of them are so iconic that they can just do they could just be themselves in there and it's gonna be fine. So you think it could work?
00:50:56
Speaker
I think it could work. And I also think that like I know some people are kind of mad that it's happening and that it's happening late, but it's one of those things where maybe I would like to see it just so that it happened. Fuck it. Yeah. You know, because the other option is we just never ever get to see it. That's where I'm at. I don't want to miss out on something.
00:51:16
Speaker
That's what that's where I'm at, man. And that changed last night. And I realized, man, I really don't give a fuck at this point. Like he's going to he's leaving at some point. Both of them are. But Undertaker is leaving soon. He may he may not even come back. We may be getting worked. Who knows?
00:51:33
Speaker
Since he's leaving, why not? He's already lost twice. It doesn't fucking matter. But those are two names. And two of the biggest names in the history of WWE. So. And they're like, they're basically two legends that are still around. It's a WrestleMania match. And I went from not really giving a fucking feeling like it was too late to being like, fuck it and make it happen. I'd like to see it. And that's one that whoever wins is fine. Like nobody, I don't feel like you can be mad at the outcome of that match.
00:52:03
Speaker
Yeah, I guess we'll see. Because it's two guys who, like, Undertaker's been beaten at WrestleMania twice now. So it's not a big deal if he gets beaten a third time. Right. And Cena gets beat every week. By anyone. Cue our conversation from two minutes ago. Like, as we speak, I'm pretty sure Rhino's penning him somewhere.
00:52:27
Speaker
Well, I flipped on that. So now that's something I'd like to see. But, uh, Rhino versus Cena? No, Undertaker versus Cena. You knew that, you son of a bitch. Okay, that might be bad. No, I agree. It's just, you know, it's two big entrances. The crowd's gonna go nuts for both.
00:52:43
Speaker
They're gonna still boo Cena more than they will Undertaker. But I feel like the crowd is coming around a little better on Cena. Like he can get the crowd to cheer for things. Obviously he did last night. And I think the fact that Cena and Reigns both got that crowd to cheer for anything they said last night is an accomplishment.
00:53:02
Speaker
Absolutely. And it seems like from what I watched tonight on SmackDown, SmackDown may have turned a corner too. They may have something figured out, especially now that they have Cena over there. That's going to help them a lot. Maybe he'll give them a kick in the ass. And actually, I'm kind of looking forward to seeing Bobby Roode versus Randy Orton because the US title is a title that Orton has not held. And oh, is that going to be is that heading towards mania or is that a fast lane? That's fast lane.
00:53:29
Speaker
Right now they have a guess could answer a question like what's going to happen with Orton at Mania. Sure. And it does seem like Jinder Mahal may get involved in this match at some point, whether he gets added to the match or whether he interferes. So the thing is, I actually can't get mad about Randy Orton being around the US title. Me, me either. I said it like a month or so ago that I thought that that was a good idea because it was something that he hadn't done before.
00:53:53
Speaker
That spot's fine for him. That's a belt, it's a belt, so it makes Randy Orton feel important, but he's not the most important part of the show. So if he's putting on a Randy Orton match, you're like, that's fine. He can win the US title with a Randy Orton match. Well, that's the thing, is that I think Orton can do the same thing for the US title that Cena did for the US title, because they're both established veterans of the same era who have held a billion world titles between each other.
00:54:21
Speaker
They don't necessarily need it, but it does add prestige to that second, you know that second tier title. So Yeah, I mean a lot you know we were really negative on elimination chamber and I still think there's some things to be negative about and as far as I Don't know lack of creativity or aggressiveness on what's going on, but we're all made a world of difference And I actually would like just a good example of like, you know, you don't know what's coming next
00:54:48
Speaker
Correct. So you can have a reaction to the pay-per-view and it can put you in a mood, but they just prove to us how quickly they can change our minds. Right. Or at least give us the idea that they know where they're headed.
00:55:02
Speaker
So if I were to suggest to you that maybe they're going in the direction of the Miz versus Seth Rollins versus Finn Balor in a triple threat for the Intercontinental title, would you be up for that? I'm way more up for that than like six guys fighting for it. This is two guys who are going to put on a really stellar match and a guy who's going to be really entertaining throughout all of it.
00:55:26
Speaker
Yeah. Because you know I love the Miz, but Rollins and Balor are just going to put on a killer WrestleMania match while the Miz does some fuckery and tries to retain.
00:55:38
Speaker
I think what's exciting is that we're, you know, we're sitting here. We, we did this podcast every week and as we get closer and closer to WrestleMania, we're going to have a lot of stuff to talk about every week is because like, there's going to be exciting updates to give and give our thoughts on kind of where they're headed. And it's WrestleMania season, man. It's always fun.
00:55:57
Speaker
This is, like, this is Wrestle Christmas for everybody, you know? Like, this really is the build-up to Christmas. For sure. Like, even, like, regardless of what's happening, it's fucking WrestleMania. We're on the road to it. It's gonna be so much fun. And doing this podcast is a whole bunch of fun. But before we go today, man... This is the shit we were gonna chat about, so I love it. We would have done this anyway. I just, I'm happy that y'all got to join us. Thanks for listening every week. Before we go, man,
00:56:25
Speaker
Say something nice. Ooh, who's somebody I haven't said nice things about? Okay, switchblade Jay White. Are you familiar with Jay White? I'm not familiar with Jay White. Jay White is in New Japan. He's from New Zealand. He's a white guy with long black hair. He looks very emo. He's got little leather gloves on too, carries a switchblade around. Really makes you feel like if Jared Leto were a wrestler.
00:56:54
Speaker
And Jared Leto is the kind of guy that I don't want anything good to happen to him. And since he doesn't have anything to do with wrestling, it's okay if I shit on him. But anyone that wears those little gloves, I'm just like, you shouldn't, you don't deserve this.
00:57:09
Speaker
It's kind of like when Jared Leto has those little gloves on and I know that he can hold an Oscar in them now. I'm like, fuck you. But Jay White, he's another wrestler I just never really got. And at Wrestle Kingdom, we made a fun game out of it that got Leah a little drunk, which was every time he pushes his hair back out of his face with his hand, he had to take a drink.
00:57:31
Speaker
Oh man. She was just, she was pretty good by the end of that. The Australians had a lot of fun with her yelling at her to drink every time he touched it. But he had a pretty good costume going into. My favorite thing about these segments every week is that in order to get to the point we're trying to make, you do have to set up everything that pisses you off. Like you can't just be like, here's a person I don't like and let me say this nice thing. You have to say why you don't like them.
00:58:01
Speaker
So next week basically just gonna be like Bob Holly seems like a dick hell of a chop though
00:58:11
Speaker
But yeah, Jay White, going into that Honor Rising show, he had on this cool leather jacket thing. He had his little gloves going. His pants have little marks on them from where I guess he's cut everybody. I've beaten this guy. Beat Kenny Omega? That's pretty good. That's pretty good. Not everybody gets to beat Kenny Omega. Hey, good outfit, man. Good outfit. I'm sorry about the things I said.
00:58:35
Speaker
Good on you. I think you've got to say something nice. I'll say something nice. And for this week's episode, I'm going to pull one out of left field. It's going to kind of catch you off guard because he's got a reputation of being a little bit of an asshole. And that's right. I'm talking about JBL, John Bradshaw Layfield.
00:58:54
Speaker
This guy has a reputation of being a bully and a fucking dick, and supposedly there's rumors that he had bullied Mauro Ranallo, and that's an asshole thing to do. I also don't think that he was that talented of a wrestler. I think he was damn good at getting heat. I thought his clothesline was pretty brutal. But if I had to say one thing nice about JBL, and it's going to catch you off guard, his entrance music as JBL always makes me smile.
00:59:25
Speaker
the dollar signs and everything. The New York Stock Exchange bell ringing and then the sound. It's basically, it sounds like the soundtrack to Back to the Future Part III. And then there's a cow mooing in the background. So JBL, you got an entrance music to stop trying to be a dick. My favorite thing about what you said about that is that may be something that was completely out of his control.
00:59:52
Speaker
Well, that's what I'm giving you. Because I would like to imagine that Jay White picked out his clothes, and I'm like, hey, man, you looked good. You had a good look, and you're like, JBL, good song. And he's like, I didn't write it. JBL, I could do a whole episode on how much I love JBL.
01:00:14
Speaker
No one is gonna agree with this. I have never enjoyed a heel commentator more than JBL. If you- Well he's gotta do what he's gotta do, Byron. If you get inebriated in any way, smoke if you like, smoke if you got him, drink if you want, listening to him just be like, well why would he do that?
01:00:35
Speaker
with his southern accent and just being the blatant dick. Oh, that he made me want to be a heel commentator. And I think I might be the only person that that feels that way about it. I liked J.B. on commentary more than Booker T. at least. Dude, why don't you take us out of here?
01:00:52
Speaker
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01:01:23
Speaker
Hashtag very indie. God damn it. Well, I guess I know the title of this show. Hit my goddamn music.
01:02:04
Speaker
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