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Quest for Glory 3 (w/PapayaChemist)
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Ben, Jess, and Alice (special guest Papaya Chemist) discuss Quest for Glory 3, its great music, its different map, and one of its best deaths.
Quest Quest podcast is Ben Vigeant and Jess Morrissette.
Editing by Ben Vigeant
Show art by Kevin "WilcoWeb" Wallace
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Transcript
Introduction to 'Quest' Podcast
00:00:29
Speaker
Hello, everybody, and welcome to Quest Quest, the adventure game podcast. That's right. I stole it from you, Jess, but I'll give it to you one more time. Welcome to Quest Quest Quest.
00:00:44
Speaker
The adventure game podcast about town.
00:00:54
Speaker
ah Hello. Hello, Ben. And hello, special guest. Hello, special guest. Hello. Hi. Yeah, no, yeah. speak You're in You're here.
Introducing Papaya Chemist
00:01:09
Speaker
This week, special guest, we have ah our friend, papaya chemist, Alice.
00:01:15
Speaker
Hello. Joining us. Welcome. Also, now you know my real name. Everyone be sure to follow Papaya Chemist over on Twitch. a Terrific streamer, plays a lot of adventure games, plays a lot of other stuff as well. You will not regret it. Be sure to make that happen. But we are so lucky ah to have you joining us today. I'm lucky to be here.
00:01:39
Speaker
Now, now all is I'm actually I'm really interested where you you were at ah Adventure X. Is that correct? I was. I'm actually wearing the shirt. you're oo Oh, there is. That's why it was on my mind. yeah This is the first time I'm wearing the shirt.
00:01:55
Speaker
Wow. Yeah, I broke out the shirt just for this podcast. Thank you. Now, um had had you been to Adventure X
Adventure X Convention Highlights
00:02:04
Speaker
before? where was that your first time? um This was my second time. I was there two years ago.
00:02:10
Speaker
And I loved it so much that I wanted to go back. And for and for the the listeners who may not know, what what is Adventure X? ah Adventure X is a it's a convention, I guess you'd call it, um specifically devoted to narrative games or like adventure games. um And it's in ah London.
00:02:33
Speaker
Mm-hmm. um It's in like different parts of London every time, I think. I don't don't don't know i don't know if there's like a specific if there's like one place that it's in, but both times I was there, it but it was in two different places.
00:02:45
Speaker
The first time I was there was in Greenwich. And then this last time it was more, it was in the South Bank area of London. um You know, I never get FOMO with conventions and things like that, but I have to admit Adventure X every year triggers some real FOMO for me. Like normally conventions aren't really my scene. Yeah, same.
00:03:06
Speaker
It looks so fun and such a good group of people that someday I'm going to have to get to to Adventure X. It looks like a blast. Yeah, I would highly recommend it. I'm not really a convention person either. Like, I've been to a few before, like, mostly anime conventions. But, like, Adventure X is, like, I mean, it's our people, right? like Yeah. we're We are the adventure game community, and, like, we like it is just full of the most...
00:03:31
Speaker
warm like the warmest most generous loving family of people that you could ever hope to hang out with um i i believe uh you you met and got to spend time with uh previous guest uh richard cobbett is that right uh yes i hung out with him briefly i actually i hung out with him a little more extensively um two years ago um i actually like sat down across the table with him and we just kind of like shot the shit for a while um and he's a lovely man um And i
Video Game QA Insights
00:04:03
Speaker
I caught up with him briefly this year and just kind of like, just like, hey, hi, it's me again. And like, because I had recently played the demo of his game Nighthawks.
00:04:11
Speaker
Yes. On stream. yeah I streamed it for Halloween. and so And then I'd like gone on this and then I'd like talk to him a bunch on Blue Sky about like, oh, here's what I thought about it. And here's blah, blah, blah, blah. blah gave all my like my nerdy opinions. And um I have a QA background. I've actually worked in video game QA before. Oh, really? So, yeah. So I have QA brain forever now. And so, like, i had I had all these, like, thoughts about, like, you know, oh, maybe this could be done this way, blah, blah, blah. But, so, yeah, i talked about, I just gave all my, like, you know, knee-jerk opinions about what I thought of his demo. And then he responded. And so we talked about that. And then he's like, oh, yeah. At Adventure X, he said, oh, yeah, thank you for playing my game. And thank you for for your opinions on it. And, yeah.
00:04:54
Speaker
And it was nice. someone who did... did QA for games and like you know you you look at like you were able to look at the the demo of Nighthawks and it is is it hard to turn that off and yes enjoy something? yeah Well I can still that's the thing like I can still enjoy games but once QA always QA like I will always like I just have the QA brain now um and it yeah I cannot turn it off.
00:05:25
Speaker
But that doesn't mean I can't still enjoy games. Well, that's why we brought you in to talk about Quest for Glory, a series that's notoriously bug free. Just start to finish, you know a a glitchless series. so and So you wouldn't have to think about it. We're we're not going to talk about Quest Glory ah ah just yet.
Culinary Conversations
00:05:49
Speaker
The most important thing is have you had any interesting meals lately? um Well, so so the funny... um Or in London. Well, it's currently 6. It's a little bit past 6 p.m. for me right now, and fiancé has a steak dinner planned tonight. That's why you were asking. That's why I was asking. We're done recording. Because I know there's really good food waiting. We can get this over in like 20 minutes if possible, yeah. Yeah.
00:06:17
Speaker
Um, let's see, but, uh, other than that, let's see, I, I, um, I, I always like hearing about, uh, Ben, what you've been cooking, oh and some of that, and, uh, I, I also, I, I enjoy baking myself, um, and so, like, I just, I, I, given the holidays of course there's always like a you know cavalcade of like baking and cooking and stuff like that but i didn't do a whole lot of that this year didn't do as much like christmas cooking as i had wanted to this like this holiday though uh my my boyfriend uh
00:06:55
Speaker
like baked like his mother's recipe of like these cookies with like coconut with a maraschino cherry in the center and I was just in my head i was just like I don't believe I would like this but but I love you so let's try it out and ah he made them and then like I demolished them nice delicious ah like just not the kind of thing that I would have thought entire like i'm not I'm not a coconut hater right
00:07:31
Speaker
right um with like my father who like coconut but my uh but my dad is a remarkably uh picky man um but uh like i'll i think i think uh coconut it has to be used judiciously yes i agree i don't hate it but it's yeah it's got it's got to be in moderation Jess, are are you, where are you on coconut? Do you strike me as someone that doesn't like coconut?
00:08:02
Speaker
No, you know, actually I am a coconut man. You're a coconut man. I'm a coconut. That's what they've always called me. um this is From the time I was a bit, no, like growing up, my birthday cake every year was a white cake my mom would bake with white icing covered completely and coconut in uh, in shaved coconut. So I grew up as a, give me all the coconut in the world kind of kid. Uh, my mom is that person. Yeah. I'll eat a mounds.
00:08:33
Speaker
I'll eat a, I'll eat an almond joy. I'll eat a macaroon. Yep. Uh, just, yeah, give it, give it to me. Uh, yeah, no. So I'm all about coconut. Nice. um and And I just want to note here that, yeah and this is breaking news.
00:08:49
Speaker
do today did to do do but but I got a text from my mom. Oh, but like news I got a text from my mother. um And she's like, ah with a photo of the latest Cooks Illustrated magazine that she received, which i she also has gotten me a subscription to with check out the creamy orzo with hot Italian sausage.
00:09:18
Speaker
So I got to like, listen, this is breaking news. Yeah. I got to check out in the, let's see, November and December edition of Cook's Illustrated, ah creamy orzo with hot Italian sausage.
00:09:32
Speaker
I like that we interrupted this discussion of what Ben has been cooking for a discussion of what Ben might be cooking. I haven't made anything particular. The meal I made this week, I wasn't particularly happy with. Yeah. You know, and like sometimes, and then and you have to live.
00:09:49
Speaker
It was ah because you want to know what? This is some bullshit. They didn't have miso at my my cool grocery. grocery is cool. They should have miso. What?
00:10:00
Speaker
Like Kroger has miso. Yeah. Come I was baffled. I like had started everything. And then I went around the corner. I was like, okay. And I just will get the miso. And didn't have miso. And I was just like, I tried to figure, figure some shit out. If I had miso, everything would be different.
00:10:17
Speaker
Everything. Everything. Everything. It all be different. But instead this. Your life has taken a different turn. Yeah, yeah we're we're now in the sliding doors universe where Gwyneth Paltrow did not make it onto the subway or whatever. If if my ah medium-sized, independent city grocery had miso, which honestly it's baffling that they don't have miso. They have everything else, ah like, you know, they have a ah pretty, they have,
00:10:51
Speaker
both American and Japanese produced Kewpie mayo. You could go. So that means you can get the version with MSG and the version without you. You want to get the one with MSG. That's the chip. Of course. Yeah. of Yeah. But like for some reason they have two different types of Kewpie mayonnaise, but they don't have me. So what's going on?
Gaming Experiences and Anecdotes
00:11:15
Speaker
What's with these people? Oh,
00:11:19
Speaker
hey They had to kick me out of the grocery store. i just started screaming. it's Just ranting about it. The injustice in this world. This actually, have you ever, either of you, have you, either of you ever seen someone have a breakdown in, and let's not, let's not like a sad breakdown, but like a breakdown in like a store of some kind, because I saw someone have a breakdown in a comp USA in the nineties. Yeah.
00:11:48
Speaker
Not that I can remember. Yeah, i I can't think of a good store breakdown. like But, you know, i spent a lot of time at Disney World, and it's just people having breakdowns, like, all around you, like, in stereo at any given moment. We're talking adults. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, adults. yeah Kids are usually pretty happy there. It's a magical place. But the adults, ooh.
00:12:09
Speaker
Yeah, no, they... like this this this woman like you know i think just some piece of technology was not entirely working and they were not going to accept it as a return but she just raised it up in her hand and just started walking back and forth and just screaming they won't honor the return policy just like waving it around wow ah And that's why CompUSA isn't around anymore. I believe it. It was the first domino. Their empire collapsed six years later. So speaking of collapse, what have you been playing?
00:12:53
Speaker
Alice. Oh, me. was like, is it me? Is it me? Yes, but now there's not direction. Right. Okay. Well, let's see. I've been playing...
00:13:03
Speaker
yeah yeah okay um well ah let's see what i've been i've been playing I've been playing Vampyr, the Don't Nod,
00:13:14
Speaker
a i guess i guess you'd call it an RPG? uhu Maybe? Kind of RPG. um And I've been very excited to play this game because I watched... um I don't know if you're if you're familiar with Ikifu.
00:13:28
Speaker
I watched. But he's a fellow streamer, and he played Vampyr on his stream a while back, and I kind of half-watched it because I already knew that I wanted to play and didnt want to spoil myself.
00:13:40
Speaker
oh And now the time has come, I'm finally playing it for myself, and i just he has a bunch of like really funny clips from his time playing the game on his channel, and so now I have context for all those clips, or I will once I get to those fep those parts of the game.
00:13:58
Speaker
ah But yeah, it's i'm I'm really enjoying it. um It's... ah but Again, my QA brain is is active because there's a lot of text problems with that game. Like, Donut is a French studio, right? Yes. And I'm assuming that like someone didn't quite localize some of the text in that game properly, because I've been finding some real weird word choices that make it a little difficult to pick like the right dialogue option in some circumstances.
00:14:33
Speaker
But other than that, It's fun. it's It's got a cool premise. It takes place in the it didn London during the Spanish flu epidemic.
00:14:45
Speaker
hu And you play a doctor who has like recently come back from the war. And then he is turned into a vampire for reasons unknown.
00:14:57
Speaker
ah and then there's this whole like system about how you have to like kind of decide
00:15:06
Speaker
I think Richard Cobb had actually called it Vampire Facebook. where like So everybody in the city, there's like a little like character profile and you can you can like unlock hints to determine, like oh, here's, like learn ah learn about their backstories. And then the more you learn about them, the better their blood quality is. oh And so you can choose, if you if you so choose, you can you can suck that person's blood.
00:15:32
Speaker
you can like just eat them, basically. And then you get a ton of experience based on how what their blood quality is, which is determined by how much you've learned about them and also whether they're healthy or not. And you can also play the doctor and be like, let me prescribe you this medicine for the people that whatever ailment you have. LAUGHTER It sounds very fiddly and weird, but it's don't know. It's better than it sounds. Maybe I don't know. i'm Probably not describing it very well. no That's fascinating. yeah I don't think I realized I was familiar with this game. i don't think I'd ever connected. This was a don't nod game like ah I knew. Remember me. And of course, life is strange and some of the stuff they're more known for recently. But somehow it just I don't think this never popped up as one that I realized was their work, which makes me immediately. They are a little bit.
00:16:20
Speaker
Yeah. I feel like this is definitely one those games I own from a bundle somewhere, but don't recall purchasing. I'm almost certain this is sitting in my library somewhere. Yeah. I think it came out after Life is Strange. It did. I'm looking because I had to look it up because I, this is like, yeah, it rang a bell, but I was also, i was like, I'm ah aware obviously of Life is Strange and aware of Juicent.
00:16:47
Speaker
And that's about it as far as their games. And then I was like, oh, right. They did. They made other games. Yeah. Remember me is pretty fun. It is. I jumped in on that early. Like I actually pre-order that game.
00:17:01
Speaker
and I like it a lot, but it did not do so well, which is a little which which is a shame. Yeah. All right, Jess, you're in the hot seat. Oh, man, I'm in the hot seat. It's come to me.
00:17:13
Speaker
Well, what I've been playing is at some level a product of what I've been watching.
Fallout Series and Modding Discussion
00:17:18
Speaker
And now that Amazon's Fallout series is back for season two, I am deeply, deeply hooked onto it.
00:17:29
Speaker
Have you seen this series, y'all? Yes. Have y'all watched it? Yeah, I've now watched it. I should, but I'm What do you think, Atlas? Like, what's your take? I really enjoy it personally. I do too. Yeah. I've only, so it's funny because, so my fiance and I have played different Fallout games. I've played one, two, and three, and he's played three New Vegas and four. ah so we were watching the first season and we both like do like the Leonardo DiCaprio, you know. right yes snap fingers, point of the screen thing at different parts of the show.
00:17:59
Speaker
yeah um And we're kind of doing the same thing now in this season. But I haven't played New Vegas yet. It's very New Vegas heavy. And I kind of I'm marginally familiar with it. So I kind of like know some of the references, but I'm not as as up on on yeah new vegas as i am with uh some of the other games like the production quality on it is fascinating to me like when you see locations recreate or even like little detail what the curtains in a vault looks like yeah and before this came out it's like you know i don't need this to look one-to-one exactly like the games i just want to be a good story with interesting characters but now that it looks one-to-one like the games i'm like i'm so glad everything is just like perfectly recreated it is yeah it's constantly uh the leonardo dicaprio mean but that got me i recently replayed uh last year new vegas i thought maybe i'll jump back into fallout 3 and give that try and the game i've been playing is not fallout 3 i've been playing get fallout 3 ready to play uh which is related just about to say speaking of q and a yeah
00:19:05
Speaker
Cue a whole Fallout. Any day now, I'm gonna be playing Fallout 3. It's just a matter of time. I'm like several hours into modding this thing out. I just have similar experience when I play New Vegas. And and it's a vanilla plus. I'm not even going for anything fancy. It's just like, I want this to work.
00:19:25
Speaker
and work smoothly. And even that is is a labor. Now we'll say with New Vegas, when I played through that, I used a ah collection called Viva New Vegas that automated installing something like 106 mods that again kind of gave like a vanilla plus experience. it like It still felt like the original game but didn't like add a ton of features or anything that would make it, you know, weird or anything like that, which is typically how I want to play a game. I don't want something that adds a whole new vibe. I just want something that makes it play like I remember it playing when I had it on my Xbox 360, only now it's in higher resolution. yeah But yeah, so I'm almost about to play Fallout 3 and I can't wait to see how it goes. I loved that game. That's...
00:20:15
Speaker
I kind of bounced off of Fallout 1 and 2 when I played them at release. Like, I read amazing reviews. Everyone I knew loved them. And the... Sorry, the RPG engine was a little fiddly for me, and I ended up not spending much... I loved the setting, loved the story and everything, but 3 really clicked for me in big way. I need to go back and replay 1 and 2 now that I... They're kind of rough.
00:20:38
Speaker
Yeah, they can be. yeah Yeah. But I would like to at least be able to say I played one. two i hope I really like putting the time on it. But yeah, soon. I've also played Brotherhood of Steel, not Tactics, but Brotherhood of Steel. was also going to ask, have either of you played Tactics? I have not played Tactics. I didn't enjoy it. I played it for like maybe 20 minutes and I was like, no, not for me.
00:21:03
Speaker
Yeah, streamed a couple hours of Brotherhood of Still. You did, I was there for that. It's fun. mean, it's not it's not good, you know, but it's there are worse games on, like, the Xbox and PlayStation 2. I think that's what it was on, right? Original Xbox maybe? I played on PS2, yeah. Yeah.
00:21:22
Speaker
There's worse games. Great reveal. ah Believe it or not, you have to. Well, that's nicer than most people have to say about it. You know, it's that there's a lot of hatred out there for Brotherhood of Steel. And I'm going to tell you, it's a solid five out of ten. been once you playing so I've been playing this game.
Rhythm Games and Performance Anxiety
00:21:44
Speaker
Have have either of you heard of it in box.
00:21:49
Speaker
Bit and box. It's in box. No, no.
00:21:55
Speaker
It came out ah one month ago on December 9th. I'm playing on Steam. I think it's only on Steam, but I could be wrong. It is, it feels like a game that is probably, if it's not on the Switch, it will be. Wow, I just saw Lightning.
00:22:12
Speaker
It's January. I saw that too on your feed. Yeah. um Oh, and you might have heard that. I didn't hear it, I did see it.
00:22:29
Speaker
familiar with the Nintendo, like I got to know it on the DS game Rhythm Heaven, it is Rhythm Heaven-em-up.
00:22:42
Speaker
It is a...
00:22:47
Speaker
So Rhythm Heaven is a game where there you see like cute little like cartoon scenes of like some sort of event and you have one or two buttons that you hit to like ah the the beat of like a little tune that it plays that the cartoon reacts to. So in Rhythm Heaven, it is like one I like is there's like this one where you're tweezering off beard hairs and the tweezer is running along like horizontally along a man's face and it's going like,
00:23:33
Speaker
Dink, dink, thinkk okayk dink, dink. And you have to like hit it like bing, bing, bing. And it's great. On Bits and Bops, it's a very similar thing. ive I haven't gotten too far because I'm not.
00:23:46
Speaker
i I'm someone that likes rhythm games. I'm not. good at rhythm i just like them I love the idea of a rhythm game. Like, wouldn't they be fun if I could play them?
00:23:58
Speaker
And so, yeah, like, so one of the early ones like you're a, like a cruise
00:24:09
Speaker
trying to take photos of like like a dolphin jumping up. And that always shows up on the feed. So you have to like click snap, click snap. It's really neat. That sounds I might... dream di that there's There's a thing, there's a problem that I have with, there's a lot of games that I love that I'm just...
00:24:34
Speaker
yeah out Oh, yeah. That's most games for me. Yeah, know. It's relatable. And so, like... That's okay. You know, and yeah, that's that's totally fine. But I'm like... I would i would like to to stream this because it's a game that I i think more people should know about. It's ah a very cute little rhythm game that's fun.
00:24:58
Speaker
But it's also... It's like, I don't know if... Like, there might be more... interesting vision to it, watching someone who's good at it. And that performance anxiety goes even further to stuff like like civilization, where it's like, I'm terrible at civilization and I don't want anyone,
00:25:19
Speaker
Me playing Civilization is very private. so Yeah, yeah. It's like, I have 20 plus years of experience on this series. Come in and watch me play Chieftain difficulty and still struggle. Yeah, I mean, that's that's my experience. That's why don't stream Civ. Yeah, it's like, that's, yeah.
00:25:34
Speaker
I don't want people to know how much time I put in to be so mediocre and not understand basic mechanics in the game yet. I think should a bits and bops question. Yeah. How long are the mini games? Are we talking like, like WarioWare or are they a little longer that? They're, they're like, I would say like, I don't know, two minutes.
00:25:52
Speaker
Okay. So a little longer than the average, like, yeah. so and It's not like a WarioWare, like, uh, because that's what, like four seconds or five. They're short. Yeah. we Insanely short.
00:26:05
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. The length of a song, I would assume. Yeah, it's the length of a song. Yeah. One song long. love WarioWare.
00:26:16
Speaker
ah you Where were are you two on WarioWare? I've never played it. I have very limited experience with WarioWare. ah Like less than probably an hour across the entire franchise.
00:26:28
Speaker
i I don't like Wario. I don't like how he is an affront to Mario. How do you feel about Waluigi? I love Luigi. can't get enough of that guy. Cause I hate Luigi. You see, that's the thing. I love Mario, which makes me hate Wario, but I hate Luigi, which makes me adore Waluigi.
00:26:48
Speaker
she't be friends anymore
00:26:52
Speaker
I bring big Luigi energy, so I can't be too critical. So no, no emails ah this this week. But before we we get to discussing Quest for Glory 3, Wages of War, let's ah let's let's do a little ah Prices Right here.
Quest for Glory 3 Exploration
00:27:14
Speaker
uh, which I don't have a tune for. Here's, here's a, I'm so tempted on archive.org. And I even like posted this the other day. ah Grayson found me, somebody posted 1979, uh,
00:27:30
Speaker
ah recording of all music cues from Price is Right. And it's like every single like kind of lounge music variation of the Price is Right theme that they play on Price is Right.
00:27:45
Speaker
Or at least they that in the early Bob Barker era. I'm sure they don't use these anymore. and so And so it's like ones where it's like it's a little more jazzy or one where it's a little more, you know, trombone focused or one where like And so I want to play those, but I'm i'm worried that John Law is going to come. So just, you know, to take a more fun version of the Price is Right theme, because the basic Price is Right theme, we're all, you know, we're all tired of.
00:28:13
Speaker
We've all heard it too much. Yeah, too many times. But one of the fun jazzy variations. um So that's playing right now. So I have ah right here. ah This is Sierra Quest for Glory 3, wages of war, hyphen three and a quarter and five, or or a three and a half and five and a quarter.
00:28:38
Speaker
Okay. And that's DOS. Pre-owned. ah PC. So, ah and I'm looking at ah the, I'm looking at the, the, the thing here. It looks like We've got all the manuals. We've got all the discs.
00:28:57
Speaker
the the The Sierra discs have have that like kind of weathering on the white labels. that Okay. The older ones. We've all seen that. um But ah it looks like we've we've got a box. It does look like it's been sat on. Yeah.
00:29:15
Speaker
And, but we have the the classic Sierra game manual, your basic. Then we have the the famous Explorer's Correspondence Course, the Quest for Glory 3 technical manual. So this is probably how to make a boot disc.
00:29:31
Speaker
ah All right. So we're talking complete and smushed box. Complete and smushed box. C-I-S-B. Professionally smushed. Yeah. Professionally smushed. Erotically smushed.
00:29:44
Speaker
so So the nice thing about this Price is Right is actually that we can actually have a little bit of a bidding here. um Oh, yeah. Price is Right rules closest without going over. Ooh. Okay. So I've got a value, and it is – we have – and it does have cents as well.
00:30:06
Speaker
Okay. It's not just a round dollar. Okay. All right. How much for – smushed but with with manuals ah and uh two different types of floppies alice would you like to guess first or second i'll give you the choice as our guest well i am trash at prices right so i may as well get mine out of the way first okay um i'm gonna go with three hundred and thirty three dollars and thirty three cents all right
00:30:42
Speaker
333.333. Okay. Jess. Okay. jeff cause this's must be laie three okay For the purpose of the game, I'm going to say $1, but I want to put in actual guess. Yeah. Don't, don't, don't give a $1. Give me, give me something. 64 99. All right. Let's see. Judges. Whoa.
00:31:03
Speaker
all right let's see
00:31:11
Speaker
what's the, what's the first list you're both over. So we're going back to Alice, Alice. Give me, so it's, it's lower. How much did you say? was it 60? 64.99 was my guess. So under
00:31:24
Speaker
okay um all right let's not do a joke answer this time um Under $64.99 for a smushed copy of Quest for Glory 3.
00:31:35
Speaker
Complete in box. Presumably. Yeah, there might be or might have been other stuff. I'm not cross-referencing. But we have like I'm excited to see this famous Explorers correspondence. i didn't realize realize it was famous Explorers in QFG3. That's right, it is. It's not Famous Adventurers.
00:31:52
Speaker
yeah i think oh because it's after yeah we yeah for yeah um okay right jess 34.99 twenty eight dollars and seventy four cents twenty eight seventy four i'm writing this down i'm putting in her oh nice okay all right jess thirty four ninety nine okay We have a winner.
00:32:18
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The ah price on this condition, colon, acceptable 59.95. um is fifty nine ninety five Whoa. Hey, you were close first time.
00:32:35
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Yeah, you were you were just over. oh there you go. So so we'll theyll we'll we'll do that. That's right. Today we are going into Eastern Fracana.
00:32:49
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We're talking about Quest for Glory 3, colon, Wages of War. The game that wasn't supposed to exist.
00:33:00
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Yeah. It's another sliding doors situation.
00:33:07
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I was preparation this. I was rereading the digital antiquarian who he spoke with Cori a little bit about the production of Quest for Glory 3.
00:33:27
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And so it reminded me of a couple things which I'll pepper in, but I'm just citing my source now. Yes. if you I'm curious, Ben and i are both on record as huge Quest for Glory fans. Alice, can you tell us a little bit about your experience with this series? I am also a huge Quest for Glory fan, um which is one reason why i was i I wanted to talk about this game. um Yeah, I basically like I'm sure like you, I grew up on Sierra games and Quest for Glory was just like one of my favorites. Like that was the one that really like stuck in my mind. And like um I frequently say that it um kind of became a formative. It it was like really it was became like a formative part of my personality. um ah Or that's not what I say. Whatever. It's close enough. okay
00:34:18
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it Yeah, it was very important to me during during my my growing up years. um And I just played, played the games over and over and over and over again. um And they're one of those series that I can keep playing and every time and I will still learn stuff about the games that I didn't know before. um ah So yeah, they're just they're very they're very dear to me. ah They will always have a special place in my heart.
00:34:44
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what What class do you usually play as? Magic user. Magic user. Three is, but like, three is perfectly good for that one. i usually yeah play as a thief. Yes. Ooh, too bad. And three is not so friendly to thieves. Yeah, that's enough, yeah.
00:35:06
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and And Jess, you're usually a magic user slash... ah It depends. I go back and forth between thief and magic user. I've never really spent much time playing a fighter. I've never successfully made it to Paladin. and Oh, you haven't? Quest for Glory game. No, I just, every time get ready to play, I'm just like, I don't want, I don't want to be a fighter. I think when I have gone through a Quest for Glory 2 play as a fighter, somehow I managed not to get Paladin anyway. So it's like, wow, I'm never doing this again. Did you know it is, it is actually possible in Quest for Glory 2 to become a Paladin as a magic user?
00:35:40
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Oh, really? Yeah. Ooh. Oh. how How would one endeavor to do that? is it is it Basically, it's just the same way you do it as a fighter. Just do all the honorable stuff and don't do anything dishonorable.
00:35:51
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um That's my problem. Yeah. If you're playing as you're playing this a thie and you screwed yourself out of Paladin Hood. so Yeah.
00:36:02
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Which is a valid, you know, path. Yeah. Like, and the paladin gets so much, like, ah ah gets a really interesting quest line in Shadows of Darkness. Yeah. yes He has a fun one here, too, with the honorless thief, right? Like, the the thief that you catch in the marketplace that you're not supposed to have pity on. Yeah. Yeah, like, that's kind of nice little paladin moment as well.
00:36:30
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Every class gets its moment in Quest for Glory 3, except thief. yeah Well, Thief does. It's just not as good. you Walk the tightrope and you can ah break into, like, ah you break into the the hut in the Simbani village.
00:36:48
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And, like, there's there's a couple little sneaky things that you do, but it's not quite... ah as ah it you you don't have the you don't have a like a house that you can break into and and get goodies. You just can't terrorize little old ladies or anything like that. Like a proper quest for glory game. Where, so, so for both of you, where, where do you put ah quest for glory three? Because it's, it's, it's, it's a little, I would say it's mildly maligned mildly. Yes. And I, and I, I actually, so I actually re-listened to your quest for glory one and two episodes oh in preparation for this. And Jess said in the quest for glory two episode, that three is better than people say it is.
00:37:36
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Yeah. um Which I agree with. um i I think for a long time it was my favorite one in the series. um I think more recently I would probably put one or two above it still.
00:37:49
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um But three is like, i can never I can never decide whether I like one or two better. Same. Same. Yeah. But I think three is at at the very least a solid like second or third place so one of the like so jess as you were saying uh this was originally not supposed to like originally shadows of darkness was supposed to go here and uh you know which you can see at the end of uh two yeah like they say next game shadows of darkness and then ha yeah they they didn't lose they they didn't the the coals felt that the hero wasn't quite ready for that type of story yet so getting govern this triumphant you've just become a prince of of shapir straight into now you're in the midst of uh of all this uh evil demonic vampirey kind of stuff right yeah horror yeah And so they they start working on on three, and three was largely as a design, um and this is me ah ah getting into the the Jimmy, is...
00:39:10
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Three was largely Lori over Corey because ah Corey was working on, ah I think it was like trying to make the SEI engine work on like the Sega CD or something or the Genesis. Yeah.
00:39:29
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Really? Yeah, was some sort weird port project. yeah um That didn't happen, obviously, but was... He came in toward the end of the project, right? He came back. Yeah. Though, like, so this is mostly...
00:39:41
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um though like so so this is mostly a lorry joint ah with with no Corey kind of like mostly off on the side and ah like he was more kind of puzzles and lorry was more of the story and i think that's very kind of represented in this game right it yeah super that would make sense yeah maybe that's why i like it so much yeah it has a very rich uh uh narrative and uh yeah and and in story and so what what is the story of of quest for glory three it's been long enough since i have played it that i cannot bring it immediately to mind let's see okay so you start out yeah you've just like you said you've just been made prince and then
00:40:36
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Rakesha's wife, Kreisha, contacts someone. Him? You? No, him. No. Who does she got? It doesn't matter. yeah she She basically tells says that like, oh yeah, okay, I'm i'm bringing the intro sequence- Vaya, what's her name from Aziza? to Aziza. That's right. Okay, I'm bringing the intro sequence back to mine now. I'm recalling the imagery. um Right, so it turns out recall that imagery yes that when you when you defeated Atavis at the end of 2, his death caused like this massive release of energy.
00:41:12
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um And apparently, I guess this caused like demon... There there was there was like a a threat of demons showing up there in Tarna. Demon leakage.
00:41:23
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Often, big problem. Classic demon leakage. That's your classic demon leakage right there. Yeah. i gotta get that Get that plugged up as soon as possible. That's right. um And that's what you need a hero to do that.
00:41:35
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so Yeah. So yeah, I think. And then so yeah, so basically so Cresha was like, okay, so now we need some we need someone to help deal with this demon leakage. Yeah. And then yeah, turn. you you as the hero are the one who ah goes to do that.
00:41:50
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Yeah, and the the game takes place in kind of a like, African pastiche of, yeah like, the Simbani-speak, which is like a... Swahili. Yeah, they like Swahili, and the Liontars, like, live in this, like, big grand city. There's all... Egypt-coded. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.
00:42:16
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Um, then the leopard men are in a more jungle, uh, part of, of the, I guess what the Simbani are on the Savannah. Yeah. Uh, and then you move into more of a, uh, rainforest type area where the leopard men, uh, are, uh, are, uh, hanging out. But yeah, you basically find yourself in the midst of, uh, of these three factions that are on the brink of war with one another.
00:42:41
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Right, that's the other thing. is not It's not just demons, there's also possible war between the Simbani and the Leopardmen. And yeah, as a ah hero, it is up to you to to stop the war.
00:42:53
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Right. um And yeah, it's it's it's kind of a, like, it's ah a little bit more of a complicated, certainly a more complicated story than the previous two.
00:43:04
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Yeah. Which are, like, the first game is There's a Witch. And...
00:43:13
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And Briggins. Yeah, and Briggins. Yes. um and And the of second game is... ah there's There's a wizard. Yeah, there's a wizard.
00:43:29
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And eventually it becomes Casablanca. ah yeah Yeah. Makes sense to me. Sounds like a video game. so One of one of the things i remember...
00:43:41
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ah ah ah when I was a kid playing Quest for Glory 3 and I remember being so excited and by ah fighting a T-Rex for the first time and I thought that was the coolest thing A big upgrade over ah just a regular Saurus or a Terrasaurus. Or like a goblin. Like, yeah yeah i just... Being able to beat up a T-Rex in Quest for Glory 3 when I was... um ah Single digit, probably. Maybe 10. Wow. um ah Like, I thought that was the coolest thing. Because especially because...
00:44:24
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The first couple times they they ate my lunch and... And your face. Yeah. Now, I'm curious. Ben, I think I know this answer for you. ah But I'm curious, Alice, did you play these games in order ah when you were younger? Yes.
00:44:42
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Okay, and does that mean you started out with the Equestria Glory 1 EGA? Yes, I did. Okay, so you probably your life okay yeah so you probably had a similar experience to me. Was this your first point and click Quest for Glory then? Yes. Okay. What did you think about that transition? over to like Do you feel like it works well for Quest for Glory?
00:45:03
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I think it does. um i think Quest for Glory does pretty well with point and click. um In hindsight, Quest for Glory 3's combat system is probably my least favorite.
00:45:15
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Mm-hmm. But I think at the time, like I was I was feeling it. I was all over that. Yeah. Yeah. Now, that was me. Yeah, I feel I still prefer um the the parser from Quest Glory one and two. But I think I feel like considering how complicated these games are, the fact that they were able to.
00:45:37
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cram all of those elements that wouldn't be in most Sierra games into the standard SCI i one interface. It's pretty impressive. Like having a magic interface and having like character sheet and your ability to rest and all these other sorts of, all these other sorts of bits. Yeah. You don't have to worry about in Kings quest five or space quest four. Yeah. I never, I never thought of that. Yeah. Like that's now that you mentioned it. Yeah. That is very impressive that they actually managed to, yeah to do all that.
00:46:06
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And with fewer icons than Gabriel Knight one. One thing that makes me really laugh about Quest for Glory three is the the communication staff.
00:46:28
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which i don't know and and maybe someone uh can correct me i don't know if it makes a like a big gameplay difference as much maybe in like haggling which yeah think it's mainly haggling But it is really funny because if you have bad communication, some characters will just remark upon it and just say, like, but I agree with you, even though you didn't say it well.
00:47:01
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Yeah. yeah ah like Yeah. Like, it really makes me laugh. Yeah. Come on.
00:47:13
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Like... i i the the communication stat is is very like amusing to me. you feel about feel about The transition, this is the only Quest for Glory, well, not entirely.
00:47:32
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of of this This game has the the big overhead map as opposed to in 1, 2, and 4, the a bunch of wilderness- Interconnected screens, yeah. Screens, it is, you're kind of Indiana Jones-ing around, leaving a red dot behind you on a massive map.
00:47:52
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how how How do you feel about this change? Because I know some people despise this. Really? i i think it's fine. I like it. um I guess it this is something I never really thought about in in comparison to the other games. But like yeah, it's it's very different. um It does make it easier to like know where you're going, for one thing. Like, here's this big you know landmark on the map.
00:48:18
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I'm going to go there. There we go. Easy. um So I guess maybe that is that why people hate it? Why do people hate it I think when I've heard when I've read people have complaints with it, it's it's largely because if you don't and all three of us have played this like 500 times. So we know exactly where everything is. Like I know where the bees are. know where like and so if you're playing it for the first time.
00:48:45
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Some of the stuff is a little more like kind of obvious on the map, but some of it isn't. And you just kind of have to stumble upon it. And okay, that's fair. burn Rations and stuff like that as you're going, I guess. But, you know, I think for me as a kid and you know, just sort of experience it the way a kid would.
00:49:04
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To me, this just felt like a massive opening up of this series. It's like Quest for Glory 1 felt relatively small. Quest for Glory 2 felt significantly bigger. And now just this idea that like I'm traversing across this, this large landmass. And yeah it like, to me, it just felt like it's like, oh, his adventures are really scaling up. Like the way you imagine like the old,
00:49:28
Speaker
I think of like the old Dungeons and Dragons box sets from the, you know, the 80s. It's like, here's the one that's like levels one through five. And then by the cover art of like the fourth or fifth one, now you're thinking about building your keep and getting henchmen and things like that. I think that's how it felt for me. It's like, okay, now the hero is like, these are bigger stakes.
00:49:46
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Yeah, yeah. Yeah, this this map reflects the fact that this is a bigger adventure now. Hmm. As a kid, I mean, I think now it's just like, yeah, it's probably a good way, you know, from i understand,
00:50:00
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Sierra didn't anticipate how much the cost of, you know, doing 256 color higher resolution art would, would inflate their budgets and some things. I suspect also it helps save the money of having to draw a whole bunch of, you know, interconnected scenes and things like that. Yeah. I mean, there there is the, there is like the, the, the close in screen that you get when you are that's right in one, but like, it's all pretty like, they're not, um,
00:50:29
Speaker
the individually created screens like they are in quest 1, 2, and 4. It's like here's your generic uh savannah screen here's your generic jungle screen and then we're just gonna stick like savannah elements and jungle elements on the screen at random which probably saved costs.
00:50:46
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Yeah I think also the big like scale allowed them to have its like if you're If you're stringing all of that along like together, it would be a little more difficult to have all of a lot of savannah and then a ton of jungle.
00:51:05
Speaker
Yeah. either otherwise Or you're to have the thing where the Lost City is like six sky rings from Tarna, which isn't going to be great either. Yeah. yeah like yeah because uh because the lost the lost city is you know that like yeah if it's if it's if it's not that far then it's not it's like why did they find that yeah why they find that yeah it's right over there i believe that was the original working title of the game wasn't it wasn't it quest for glory 3 the lost city am i imagining that that sounds like something i might be imagining
00:51:39
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So only because i think in, I've, I've seen other Sierra. Oh, it's in like one of the built Sierra that like they plug it somewhere. They plug it in another game coming soon.
00:51:52
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Quest for glory three. Which game? i don't, I can't remember now. You know what? Jess and I have psyched ourselves into believing that something that like exists that, that doesn't exist.
00:52:08
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But, uh before so you know it's possible that this isn't true but i well let me put it this way uh when you search for quest for glory 3 the lost city uh there aren't results uh which is not a good sign okay let's see here now i'm oh seekers of the lost city seekers of the lost city okay that does ring a bell yeah okay A reference this title can be found in the about pages of Shadows of Darkness. Oh, that's right. It's so confusing. That is right.
00:52:42
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Yes. Yeah. So Shadows of Darkness, the fourth game that came out after the third game, as is tradition, um is refers to the game that has a title that we know about as Seekers of the Lost City, which is confusing.
00:53:02
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but That is weird. Yeah.
00:53:05
Speaker
Maybe it's like an Abbey Road, let it be thing. And like, you know, one was like created, but released then out of order. You know, maybe that's just the part of the puzzle we haven't figured out yet. Maybe Quest for Glory 4 was made first and we still don't know. That's why i was so buggy.
00:53:19
Speaker
Yeah. It was like placeholder text and they never fixed it before releasing that. according whatever it was to um According to the the Quest for Glory fandom page, like the the wiki, which...
00:53:35
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ah I, you know, I'm i'm sure is always good. it says, it is a proposed subtitle for re-releases. Huh. Because they thought Wages of War might be so so a trademark issue. we go. Secret of the Wall City seems misleading, though.
00:53:55
Speaker
so So here, just like HeroQuest, so you want to be a hero, ah Quest for Glory 3 Wages of War had a similar problem with copyright issues after the game was released. course. Of course. This is from fandom though.
00:54:10
Speaker
Given that the Kohl's are like talk to people all the time and stream. Like I'm just going to assume that somebody asked them this on a. Yes. On a stream or something. Yeah. Sierra online and the Kohl's originally showed the game at a gaming convention.
00:54:23
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i At the time, another company claimed the trademark on the subtitle and told Sierra they had to change the title. ah The general manager decided to drag his feet a little on the grounds ah that Quest for Glory 3 would no longer be in stores by the time they had to change the title.
00:54:40
Speaker
Checks out. Yeah. strategy So that maybe that's why it's referred to. and i guess by the time the anthology came out they just didn't care anymore because as far as i know it's still referred to as wages of war everywhere in the anthology yeah the the person that came up to the coals uh threatening legal action mysteriously disappeared um
00:55:05
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i don't want to suggest there's a conspiracy huer in the basement yes in the redwood building in oakhurst yeah just a lot of people buried under that parking lot slice open the talking bear oh god what is this dagger heaven raw yeah yes yeah yeah that's right balls note
00:55:27
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what is this ah dager rim and raw yeah yes yeah yeah it's right i So, okay. um and We're right down. ah Talking Bear stuffed with dead bodies murder mystery is a possible idea idea for a future game to create. Just, just I'll be back in a minute. one of my favorite things about Quest for Glory 3 is that, and it's hard for me to say that it has my favorite Quest for Glory soundtrack because it doesn't.
00:55:59
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Right. Because all of them are really... good. um But it does have a remarkably good score. um Yeah, I played ah one. I have a couple other teams prepared.
00:56:15
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So yeah here's one that I really like. This is when you meet the captured leopard man. Yes. Yes.
00:56:29
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This song slaps. Right? Yeah. It's so good. Yeah.
00:56:37
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I you could drop this into into Gabriel Knight. Yeah. Yeah, it Gabriel Knight-y. It also... It's the bells.
00:56:47
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Shadows of Darkness has a lot of synth guitar. Yeah. It's a lot of synth guitar in Shadows of Darkness.
00:56:57
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like this. And
00:57:00
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so like, you know, this is a little preview of all the cool synth guitar that you're about to get. It's one game later.
00:57:13
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And also, like, you know, it's a... I mean, this music to me makes it so... For context, if you don't recall or if haven't played this, you're looking at this captive leopard man, which is, like, you know, both literally and figuratively a sexy furry man.
00:57:42
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And this guy... Like he's just like this ripped, like, you know, cheetah man. Leopard man.
00:57:55
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Yeah. Leopard's just a slow cheetah. Like, just like zoologically. Yeah. And it's like a very dramatic You're looking, it's this closeup.
00:58:11
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He's in this cage. The Leopard Man, who you haven't met up to this point. I believe that this is the first leopard person that you've seen.
00:58:21
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Yeah, I think so. And they're viewed by absolute suspicion by all the members of this village that have captured them because they're magic users in this yeah village that does not use magic at all.
00:58:37
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um And so like, I remember like, it's like, it's it's cool, ah but it's also like kind of sinister and scary. Who's this yeah sexy furry man that's in cage? And the music really supports that. Yeah. it Yeah. Sexy scary is the vibe I'm getting there.
00:58:56
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ah Can I also say in that, that same scene, you get a really good closeup view of the hero um yeah and he looks really good in that one shot. So you got two sexy men yeah yeah staring at each other.
00:59:11
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through a cage and um one of my other little favorite tunes ah is is this tune when ah you're you're first after they they capture like a ah thief who is ah made a robbery at the bazaar you go into like this like the the seat the throne of power in turn on yes
00:59:52
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And he is condescending to both you and Rakesh. And deeply, like...
01:00:03
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Like, he's, like, angry and regal, and he's also surrounded and, like, flanked by these sexy lion cars, I believe, that are just kind of, like, squamed with him.
01:00:16
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Draped on him. Draped on him. That was a really good piece of art there in that scene as well. It's another close-up.
01:00:27
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This game has... Very good dramatic music for close-ups. Yes. Now that I think about it. Yeah. Very cinematic.
01:00:38
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Yeah. And what I like about, like, this music and and the previous piece with ah the Leopard Man is that they they really, eat like, a they they help elevate the scene because it really communicates, like, your your situation. Mm-hmm.
01:00:57
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like this this kind of regal ah character who's also kind of a dick. Yeah, going to say, he's little shit. I...
01:01:08
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So, and then also the in theme, but I didn't rip that one. So you're not going to get to hear it. But the, could you hum a little bit of it? Oh, that's not a hum. but Yeah. It's more of a dude.
01:01:23
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It's pretty good. That's pretty good. Um, you can tell Ben has the empty 32 patch installed. Yeah. but Actually, i think that was just one voice.
01:01:34
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I'm layering. I'm layering. and Okay. Yeah. So are there any other music pieces that that jump to mind for for either of you or ah like the the art, which is really striking in this game because this was the first 256 color that they a color game that they did Well, of course, the it following Quest for Glory 1 VGA, which had the perfect melted clay faces.
01:02:02
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Yes. Yes, of course. um Yeah, I mean, one that always enjoyed was the apothecary music. Oh, yeah.
01:02:14
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big and I just kind of found the apothecary charming in general. Like, I i thought that, like, the stoner deadhead apothecary was a, was a fun concept for this game. Uh, it's something that like is, was always one of my favorite parts of these quest for glory games is coming to the new city and just like seeing who my new merchant friends were going be, you know, like I, I, you sometimes yeah you get a piece of media that you feel like is so narrow casted to your interests and things like that that just had to be made entirely for you.
01:02:50
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When I walked through Tarna for the first time and encountered Sanford and son as the junk merchant sellers, as a kid who like religiously watched reruns of Sanford and son on TBS, I was just like,
01:03:02
Speaker
I have to be the only person enjoying this right now, but I am enjoying it so much. Like this is this game is made for me. ah They get they get the like Sanford and theme too, don't they? Yeah, let's see here. um do I don't know Sanford and Son, so I couldn't tell you. Neither do I.
01:03:23
Speaker
yeah i didn't I didn't get the job at the top. It's quite the Severin's Son thing. I was just listening to a second of there, but it is good. i mean, okay all of the it's just a game full of, I mean, it's a series full of great music. I think that, yeah, Ben, I think we talked about this before when we've talked about the Quest for Glory series. It really does just maintain, I feel like, such a high level of quality relevant relative to lot of Sierra's other series that maybe had off games here and there. I'm not quite a Quest for Glory 5 believer yet, but I've only played through it once. I need to need to give it another playthrough at some point. Yeah, I need to play through. i played it twice and I should play it again. um It's not favorite either. let Rekish die in my playthrough and I still feel guilty about it. Yeah, how could you do that? You monster. know. It felt like it was him or me in the moment and I had such a i had like such a destiny in front of me. you know ah just like His life is over already. He's old. true.
01:04:21
Speaker
A lot of gray hairs in the mane. Yeah. You know, he'd lived his life. Yeah, he's done his time. I was hoping he'd drop his flaming sword since I wasn't a paladin. I was like, I won't take that. Thank you. But it didn't work out. I was planning on looting him as soon as he was down. But oh well.
01:04:40
Speaker
One of ah i one of the the other really beautiful and scenes is like the the the big mystical tree.
01:04:52
Speaker
Yes. Oh my God. Yes. That's like one of my favorite parts of the game. it's ah It's a really, it also kind of feels very kind of that era of early 90s. Like it's this very like kind of like environmentalist, like early 90s, like Fern Golly kind of vibe. Yeah, that into an EcoQuest game. Yeah, i was I was into that kind of thing back then.
01:05:17
Speaker
You loved the rainforest store at the mall? Back then, I loved the environment. I mean, yeah, these days. can get enough of it.
01:05:28
Speaker
Now it's terrible, though. I hate it. It's gotten so much worse. the I remember also when I was a kid playing for the first time, the the sequence where you have the bizarre trip. um and i was going to mention the temple. Yeah, that's my favorite. i there Go ahead, Alex.
01:05:51
Speaker
Oh yeah, um yeah the the Temple Sekhmet probably one of the the the better just visual ah presentations and that game one of one of many Yeah, it does like this pixel cycle kind of psychedelic thing and you get like a Ultima four series. of Yeah, yeah.
01:06:16
Speaker
Choose your virtues kind of thing. I choose what you were. just day i have no idea what effect that actually has on gameplay, but I still really like it. thirty two I wanted to discuss this, which is to say, does that actually change anything? have no idea. I don't know. I don't know. just cool i don Oh, actually, so I think there so there is a way to fail the test. like if you Like, there's, you know, there's like five answers to every question, and like one of them is obviously the wrong one.
01:06:46
Speaker
um And if you, because the reason you do the Sekhmet trial in the first place is to get like a quest item for some other thing. um And so obviously if you answer all the wrong questions, you they kick you out and they don't you don't get that item.
01:07:01
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um But if i were if I recall correctly, you can always just go back and do it again. ah So it's just kind of like... Like most prophecies, you just have to try until you get it right. Yeah.
01:07:12
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But it doesn't matter which one you pick. like As long as you pick something that sounds that's like vaguely correct yeah and not the obviously wrong answer, I think i think you still pass.
01:07:22
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on on ah On my stream this week, we were discussing like the the funny adventure game thing where it's like you go up to someone and like they're like, ah we ah in order to come in here, you have to have an ID. And this is exactly what you need to have an ID, but you don't have one, so you're not allowed in. And then you you walk back and you have an incomplete ID and the person looks it and goes, that's not an ID. That doesn't have all the correct parts. And this isn't, this isn't you. That's not your name. And it doesn't have your photo. So this is obviously not you. And then, so you walk away and like have someone take your photo and glue it in, hand it to them and go, ah, right this way, sir.
01:08:05
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yeah And so, you know, it's like that with prophecies ah that you get from drinking, ah you know, apothecary's bong water. Yeah.
01:08:25
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That's a different, that's a death. yeah That's a really cool death. You can. Oh, yeah. Yeah, when you spoke here at smokeka hookca yeah you can just get one of the deaths you just get too high and have a cool rest of your life. yeah Doesn't it have like a don't do drugs kids like death message attached to that too? oh it's been so long since I've died, gone through that death. I think it does have like ah kids.
01:08:51
Speaker
you This is all fun and games, but this is something to take seriously. I don't remember what exactly it says in that death message. Or maybe I'm confusing with like the passionate Patty ah smoking weed and floating up into the air over a chasm and then falling to her death.
01:09:07
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Well, Quest for Glory 3 does have Smokey the Elephant. That's right. That's true. Which isn't technically a death.
01:09:17
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but how do you How do you get Smokey the Elephant? ah If you are out in the savannah and you light a campfire and then you leave without putting your campfire out, ah you get a fake death message that basically says something like, oh, you burned down the savannah or something like that.
01:09:36
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random encounters in this one are so fun. Yes. Like that. I mean, of course, the awful Waffle Walker. Yes. thought was I was going to that's actually my favorite music piece in the game. Yes. i thought I was having a fever dream as a kid, which is always has how I felt when I accidentally found an Easter egg in games as a kid. It's like, first time I saw the Batmobile in King's Quest 2, I was like, did that really happen? Yeah. Did I just imagine that? I hallucinating this? Yeah. Same thing with the awful Waffle Walker. There's an aardvark, right? Yes. There's Arnie. Arnie Sackguston.
01:10:06
Speaker
Yeah, there's there's Arnie. There's rhino. Arnie is like, it's one of those kind of references that unfortunately has has gotten bad. Like, because I believe that he's a reference to ah the indie comic Cerebus.
01:10:26
Speaker
Yeah. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. And if you're familiar, like at that point, I never read it in 1992 when this came out, it was just kind of this cool like indie comic. And it was before ah the creator of it, like just lost his mind in the last couple of books of the Cerebus, ah ah like comic are just like anti-feminist screeds. Um,
01:10:56
Speaker
But at that time, was just like- That is very reflective of aardvark culture, though. It happens to aardvarks. It's just what happens. It's what they do. yeah And it's awful. It was awful. and It's awful now, but aardvarks get it straight, you know, come on.
01:11:15
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Um, and it has a very light Arana garden because like, since the story wasn't kind of planned out, like it's, it's like she visited here, right? Like there's not like a big story. Yeah.
01:11:34
Speaker
Yeah. Uh, Because obviously she gets so much more in the the next game. So it's just kind of like, yeah, here's this place. It's kind of nice. It's not my best work. yeah When I played this, and this is the same how I loved a Quest for Glory 1 when I played it as a kid. What I liked about Quest for Glory 3 a lot when I was a kid was I liked it as a place.
01:12:00
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Yes. um Yeah. Same. And so like the way that I played quest for glory three is like, you know, when I, whenever I played 1993 four,
01:12:12
Speaker
three or four um was I would just kind of wander around the Savannah and fight monsters then just go back to Tarna and talk to everybody until I ran out of dialogue options. Like that was pretty much like and go back to the Simbani village, talk to everybody there. Like, and then just ah power level the the hero all the way up to, you know, max everything because I was just like,
01:12:37
Speaker
I'm not really, like, I'm just having fun. do dod do do you yeah The thing about 3 is that, like, if you do that, you are, you you have a pretty good chance of finding new dialogue options that you haven't seen before. Because, like, some of the characters will say different things on different days.
01:12:52
Speaker
Or, like, ah you'll you'll meet different characters at night that you won't see during the day. So, like, there's kind of a ah good reason to, like, exist in the world like that. that I didn't know that, or maybe I knew that as a kid, but I don't know that now because I haven't played it like that since then.
01:13:12
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One of the things that really drove me nuts as a kid was I so desperately wanted to see. So the thing in Tarna is that there are line tar sections of the city that only they can go into. Yeah. Yeah.
01:13:31
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And like you get this, overview view of the the city when you enter it and so i was always like trying to be like all right well what are the parts that that he he can't go into i wonder if that could have been cut beef content or something you know like because it feels surely the lack of thief stuff wasn't a choice i'm guessing this had to be just like we ran out time budget etc um and
01:14:02
Speaker
the thief part was undercooked. I can't imagine they would choose after working so hard to balance out the content for the classes in previous games, which makes me wonder if maybe some things like that could have been thief content, if the thief would have needed to sneak into that. Also, game creators. There's your fan game idea.
01:14:19
Speaker
Yes. A side quest for the hero in the Lintar district of Tarna. Do not get caught. do not get caught. Or maybe there's a wacky lion tar costume.
01:14:31
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oh Oh, a lion tar firm mustache that he the hero uses to sneak into. people do need to go in there with Harami, the the the the honorless thief. And both of you need to be in the lion tour costume. Yes. yeah Yes. Yes. There you go. a Two person job. Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:52
Speaker
Yeah. Classic. Yeah. It's a heist. It's a, yeah. yeah don't know we're heisting, but we're heisting. you You have to argue over who gets to, who has to, or who gets to be the the the back end. Yeah.
01:15:05
Speaker
So I think maybe the the last thing ah that kind of comes to mind is for me with Quest for Glory 3 when I think about it is the very dramatic ending.
Reflections on Quest for Glory 3
01:15:19
Speaker
And I remember being scared watching this as a kid. Yeah, me You, so, you know, you you you finally have successfully seeked the lost city and you, you know, ah ah sneak by these big monsters and you end up in this this room with a whole bunch of mirrors and you see, and everybody who walks up to the mirrors, all the all of your friends that you've amassed during ah your adventure walk up to a mirror and you see the evil version of yourself.
01:15:56
Speaker
in them and they have like red eyes and the extra evil powers and so you have to and yeah do do a fight and this was the first time had ever seen and i know that a bunch of rpgs have done this like even before quest for glory 3 i think it's like in fantasy star 1 even the fight that you're not supposed to win.
01:16:20
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Yeah. Yeah. Even when I know what's happening, that fight stresses me out every time. Like you are, you're, you're fighting an evil version of yourself and it is impossible to, to win and just like real life.
01:16:37
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yeah And I remember the absolute thrill spoilers on a old game, the absolute thrill of when Harami like shows up but behind your evil version and stabs them. Yes. And that also, it was so cool to me as a kid, because I was like, another character can show up in the fight screen. Yes.
01:17:06
Speaker
That's breaking the rules. That's only just two of us. Yeah. In this nebulous dark void that we're in. Yeah, that's right. The dark place where I go to fight people. yeah Yeah. The fight zone.
01:17:19
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The fight zone. Welcome to the fight zone.
01:17:25
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Uh, yeah. I mean, you know, that, that, that moment in the end has always stuck with me, especially because like playing it as a kid, I was just like, what? No, what? What's, what's happening? Like, because at first I was terrified. Yeah. And then the end end is so abrupt. Like after the last two games end with like big celebrations where you're, everyone's gathered together to honor all of your heroic actions. You just get like, ah you're there sort of,
01:17:53
Speaker
having your moment of victory and then just get like creepy teleported away. Uh, and it has that just very abrupt ending in quest for glory three as well. Yeah.
01:18:04
Speaker
Yeah. You're with all your friends. They're like, congratulations, you did it. And then you turn green and fall like, vaguely yeah yeah yeah you yeah yeah, you dance like that guy at the park and police quest three, then you, uh, then you vanish. Yeah.
01:18:21
Speaker
the so in my story from that was like that really like upset me as a kid like it and it ends on like this cliffhanger of it's like now you're going to see him in uh shadows of darkness and i remember this is as like i was like oh my god what and this will this all right so this will date when i i played it which was then we got an issue of computer gaming world, not too long after that, in my memory, it's the next day, but I'm probably, you know, mashing it together for, for convenience sake, uh, opening up,
01:18:59
Speaker
the computer gaming world and there was an advertisement for coming soon. Quest for glory, four shadows of darkness. this paul Like running to my brother and being like, it's coming. It's coming soon. Was it the Baba Yaga advertisement? I feel like that's the one that I remember seeing the most is like her,
01:19:20
Speaker
I guess, concept art or original portrait. I think sometimes it would have the tagline immortal combat attached to it. They really wanted to play up the idea of the side view of the combat. I remember like seeing those ads too, for quest for glory four. And we'll talk about quest for glory four eventually, of course.
01:19:36
Speaker
But I remember seeing those and like the side views of the combat and thing. It's like, oh my God, this is going to just like Street Fighter. Finally, we're going to have like this amazing combat system. And then you get the Quest for Glory 4 combat system. I like the Quest for Glory 4 combat system.
01:19:51
Speaker
I'll take it over there. I'm a Quest for Glory 2 combat system guy myself. Yes, same. That's the best. I would literally just like hang out at the at the guild and just fight a hurrah just for funsies. Oh, man.
01:20:05
Speaker
Yeah. That's let's me in one VGA just going back and forth into the goblin. yeah we We gotta do the goblin. Like stamina potions in my bag and just going back and forth and like, you know, to the point where I can't move because my pocket, like my gold pouch is overflowing. You're a big winner at last night's poker match. Yeah.
01:20:34
Speaker
Doesn't um v the Quest for Glory 1 VGA use Quest for Glory 3's combat system? Very similar one, at least. It's very, very like this. Yeah, so the combat in 3 and this...
01:20:48
Speaker
as this uh square with like uh the four points the top left is like thrust the top right is swing and then you have dodge and block on the bottom left and right and then you can click the center it gives you ah magic attacks right that's true of both of them yeah um and that's why it's my favorite because it's very easy it is yeah You don't have to do very much. And little me loved that. Like just smashing the button like again and again and again. Like it's like, wow.
01:21:27
Speaker
this Most of the time, like dodges and blocks don't work anyway. So like, why bother? just That's right. In any game, TBH. Yeah, you should never block dodge or parry. That's for suckers. And it's never going to get you anywhere.
01:21:39
Speaker
Yeah. Um, but, uh, any, any final, any final thoughts on, on, or any, any other things that we haven't spoken about?
01:21:52
Speaker
I do think it's interesting to me that this game, you know, I don't, when we say it has a negative reputation, i don't know if they're like haters out there. I think people still think this is a perfectly cromulent Sierra adventure. You know, i don't think it's like the people thinking of it as trash or anything like that. But I do think as we started out saying it is better than its reputation. There's a lot to love here. I mean, if you love Quest Your Glory,
01:22:19
Speaker
I think that a lot of what makes that series so enjoyable to me and so easy to revisit. And just, again, as we've always said, what's great about Quest for Glory game is it's usually a fun place to hang out in.
01:22:31
Speaker
And Quest for Glory 3 has all of that going for it. And has Manu, the talking monkey. Yeah. It does have Manu, the talking monkey. um Like...
01:22:45
Speaker
Yeah. And it is, it's such a ah pleasant hang. I remember Jess, when you and I were both doing our full stream through of ah one through five.
01:22:56
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um And we finished, it's also the shortest. Yeah, you can you can jet through it. um And ah I remember like, at the end, I was like, wow, that was really short. and then I was also like, and I had a great time the whole time. It was just yeah thoroughly like just pleasant.
01:23:20
Speaker
That's all I need. Yeah. Any, anything, any, any final thoughts on a quest for glory three seekers of the lost city? ah alice hum i don't know. I think I like, I, yeah, like it's, it's similar to quest for glory too. I like that. It goes somewhere.
01:23:43
Speaker
it kind of takes you to a place where you, where, games don't often go. Like, the the African setting is, like, something that, you know, you don't really see very often, similar to, like, how 2 did, like, a... ah i middle Middle East isn't really the right term these days, is it? It's a...
01:24:03
Speaker
so Yeah, I mean, I think, mean, what, Southwest Asia? Yeah. I mean, yeah, bill I think at least it's, but mean, it definitely, you know, I think to the Coles' credit, something we talked about in the Quest for Glory 2 episode is they go to these regions and considering these games are made in the ninety s manage what is largely a ah fairly culturally sensitive take on it. You know, i mean, it's it's pretty impressive that that these hold up as well as they did when that's like a minefield for most pop culture that depicts those regions in that era, right? You know, it's, the yeah, there's so many areas where so many pieces of pop culture go wrong. Yeah. I mean, you can tell that
01:24:46
Speaker
the Coles were doing in Quest for Glory 2, their sort of loving pastiche of an Arabian Nights sort of fantasy setting. And then here, you know, that sort of pastiche of of African and Egyptian ah fantasy and myth. So yeah you can tell all of this comes from a place of love of of these sorts of stories on their part.
01:25:10
Speaker
Yeah. And, you know, we're a bunch of white people talking about it, so maybe we have no right to judge. but like That's absolutely true. Also a very good point. yeah I mean, I think it's for i think it's pretty good. It could be a lot worse, that's for sure.
01:25:21
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i don't find myself cringing every every five minutes, which is more than I can say about some
Ending Remarks and Future Episodes
01:25:26
Speaker
adventure games. so Yeah. Like say Big Red Adventure, Jess? Like Big Red Adventure. Yeah, that would be a great example of one. Yeah, no. Yeah, I've played some recently that that I felt like I needed to sometimes like crawl under my desk and just take a little little breather before I went back to it. So yeah, no, that that's not these games. No, Quest for Glory 3 is good stuff.
01:25:50
Speaker
Everybody go play it. If you haven't played Quest for Glory 3 in a long time, go back and replay it and see if now that we've told you how to enjoy it, you like it more. or last Or less. And if you like it less, you know, play it one more time and then get back to us. Play it three times. One free quest for glory. Yes. Yes.
01:26:10
Speaker
Well, thank you so much. Thank you so much, Alice, for joining us. Thank you for having me Sorry for bullying my way onto your podcast. No. was a pleasure. This was awesome. It absolutely was. And please, everyone go follow Papaya Chemist on Twitch. Is there anywhere else they should hunt you down? I'm on Blue Sky, also Papaya Chemist. um That's about it these days.
01:26:31
Speaker
where does Where does Papaya Chemist come from? Or is that just a fun internet? Yes. a Great question. Great question. ah So um it is it comes from my first playthrough of Final Fantasy Tactics. Hmm. um the in in your starting party i don't know if this is this happens with with with every game but in my starting party um there was a character who had the job class of chemist and her name was papaya and for some reason that stuck out to me so i just went like all right i will adopt that as an online moniker and i originally used it on twitch because i was um
01:27:08
Speaker
I wasn't streaming at the time, but I had made a Twitch account. This was back when I was working in QA and I had it. i I needed a Twitch account for some reason, I think because I was like assisting one of our community managers with a stream that they were doing. And so I had a Twitch account. I'm like, I'm just going to make this throwaway Twitch account. I'll name myself a pie chemist. And then it stuck. And then I started streaming myself. And so I started using that and that's who I am now.
01:27:35
Speaker
um And actually, someone pointed out that it works out well because I mostly stream PC games ah ah and point-and-click games. Ooh, fun when that all kind of... Yeah.
01:27:48
Speaker
That's great. It is a great name. It's funny, too, because I don't like papayas very much, and I am not a chemist. So it has nothing to do with my actual life. I mean, I drink a lot of caffeine, but in my defense, I also do wield the power of the force. So, you know, it's sort of like halfway. you and Can confirm. And I'm just plain simple Garrick. It's true.
01:28:13
Speaker
i But ah thank you so much and thank you to the listeners. If you have any any thoughts, if you have anything you'd like to say about Quest for Glory 3 or anything else, shoot us an email at questquestpodcast at gmail.com. Please rate and review this podcast and be sure to join us next week when we discuss Space Quest 4. Only you can prevent Savannah fires.
01:29:00
Speaker
so So, Alice, what are what are you what what are your thoughts on Space Quest 4? you like Space Quest 4? Before i tell we end the podcast, yeah. what You do. You're a Space Quest 4 lover. i'm yeah i'm I'm a fan of Space Quest 4. I think 3 and 4 are my two favorite Space Quests. You're 3 and 4.
01:29:15
Speaker
And who would you say, other than Gary Owens, does the best voice work in Space Quest 4? Who's your favorite vocal performance? And Jess, this question is coming to you next.
01:29:27
Speaker
I think I know your answer because it's mine as well. Might be all three around. Oh. Oh, um. Maybot. Maybot.
01:29:39
Speaker
Who's that? Maybot. Maybot? Okay, Maybot's a good answer. Yeah. is Is that Jane Jensen? Yes. Yeah. It was someone from Sierra and I couldn't remember it was. So thank you for that. That is also my favorite non-Gary Owens voice performance.
01:29:55
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Yeah, that's mine too. So let's just lock it in. All right. Locked.