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The Importance of Podcasting: A Conversation with Casting Views
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In this episode, Satsunami is joined by Dan from the Casting Views podcast! From the landscape of modern gaming to what makes podcasting so important. Let's find out!
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Transcript
Introduction and Guest Welcome
00:00:05
Speaker
Welcome to Chatsunami. Hello everybody and welcome to another episode of Chatsunami. My name's Chatsunami and joining me tonight is none other than the fantastic host of the Casting Views podcast as the one and only Dan. Dan, welcome back.
00:00:32
Speaker
Hello and thank you for having me back on, really looking forward to this. Yeah, I was saying this to you before and I think I was probably saying this in one of the other episodes I did in your podcast that I was really surprised I haven't had you on yet for one of these interview type episodes.
00:00:48
Speaker
Yeah, I was wondering, no, no, I'm joking. Yeah, no, well, you know, all good things come to those who wait.
Past Collaborations and Social Media Interactions
00:00:54
Speaker
I've had you on my show a couple of times, so we were talking quite a bit and we're always rabbiting on Twitter, aren't we? So probably just assume that we've probably done more episodes than we have done. I mean, every time I see a Mass Effect GIF on Twitter, I just think, yeah, Dan would love this tag. Just send it, there you go.
00:01:13
Speaker
It's actually still my favourite thing whenever I see you ask a question about sending a question. I normally always say to you, what's your favourite
Gaming Discussions: Mass Effect and Sci-Fi Interests
00:01:20
Speaker
game? Why is it Mass Effect? And I do it to you every time, I think, don't I? Would you be surprised I've yet to play the sequels to it? I've played the first one and I think I rushed through it. So I don't really get the full experience. I thought, oh yeah, this is all right. But second and third one, I still need to play them. Right, three things here, right? One is play the first one again and don't rush it.
00:01:40
Speaker
Second one is absolutely Play The Sequels 3. I think there's a themed month coming up for you. There is, but not a Mass Effect one yet. Oh no. No, but that will be on the cards maybe. If I play it and I love it. It's weird because I absolutely love sci-fi. Mass Effect is one of those games that I look at because I love Star Trek. I love Star Wars. You know, that kind of actiony sci-fi and I'm going to tick off a lot of Trekkies by saying actiony sci-fi for Star Trek. Bear with me here.
00:02:09
Speaker
But yeah, it seems like it's right up my alley. And yeah, I never really got into it initially. And it's not even because I disliked it or anything. I think it's just more the curse of the backlog. Absolutely. I'll always have a soft spot for that because I'd stopped console gaming for a while, had gone onto PC, and then I got fed up with my PC.
Console vs. PC Gaming Preferences
00:02:31
Speaker
It kept falling out of date with all the graphics cards, et cetera. I was fed up spending money.
00:02:37
Speaker
at the time I'd always had, you know, like that meme, that picture of the guy walking in the street with his girlfriend and he's looking back to the other woman. That was like me holding onto the hand of a PC, but looking at the consoles behind me again. And it was mainly because there were three games at the time. I was jealous about not being able to play Bioshock, first one, Mass Effect, because I'm really into these action RPGs and it was GTA IV at the time. So.
00:03:02
Speaker
I got myself an Xbox 360, about a year or two into the life I think it was, and those were the first three games I've gotten it. So Mass Effect would always hold a bit of a sentimental spot because it was one of the first games that got me back into consoles, yeah. And I take it that was Xbox. Yeah, Xbox 360, yeah. I just had to fact check. That's okay, you pass the test, it's like...
00:03:23
Speaker
I mean, I got a, well, I'd say a gaming PC. A PC that can do things better than my old laptops, which are currently lying six feet downstairs. But I always prefer consoles, I have to say. I mean, don't get me wrong, there's some games that you can really play as well on a console compared to a PC, but I totally agree with you. It's annoying when, and again, this is quite an obvious thing, technology evolves, water's wet, that
00:03:50
Speaker
to think but it's the fact that when you buy a game for a console it should theoretically work because you're buying something for the console and you know it's going to work 100% whereas if you buy it for the PC you're completely right the amount of games I've bought and it's just chocked along and you're prodding out going why isn't this working? I'm looking at you cyberpunk.
00:04:12
Speaker
It's when you get to the point where you're in the shop, and again, people screaming at me, it's my fault because I was never putting the latest cards, sound cards, CPUs, et cetera, so I admit that. But it's when you're in the shop and you're spending half hour looking at the recommendations of specs on the back, it's like, well, I won't even look at the recommended. Let's just go straight to the lowest ones, what the minimum specs are, and you're trying to work out, can you squeeze it into those specs on the back of the lowest end? But also, sorry, we're really digressing here already, aren't we? No, your faith.
00:04:41
Speaker
That's just what the podcast is for. The other thing is also, well, desktops used to be everything right, but then they're not now. And yeah, I know you can get gaming laptops, but I'm not spending a fortune on a laptop. At one point it was like, yeah, well, we can get rid of that huge machine that's sitting under the desk there. And, you know, the huge monitor that was on the desk. And yeah, just plug the console into the back of the TV and away you go.
00:05:02
Speaker
No, I absolutely love it, because I have to say, I got the desktop in Belgium where I think it was my mum saying to me, oh, you're just getting that for gaming. And me as, well, now I'm in my 30s, but back then I was kind of like, no, it's for work. And I mean, it is technically for work, you know, I do podcasts and editing, that kind of thing. In fact, I'm recording on it right now, so not gaming.
00:05:23
Speaker
yeah I've always had a dream of having a decent PC that I could play games on but the funny thing is I play a lot of indie games on my PC so it's like oh I can't wait to play all these amazing games and don't get me wrong it's not at least not anymore it's a couple of years out of date now but it still plays games that are relatively alright standard but you know I go back to the old games I play games like Sonic Adventure or Coffee Talk
00:05:49
Speaker
or To The Noon I played, which is a game that was made in RPG Maker and things like that. I play a lot of low-end games anyway, so yeah, it doesn't really matter. But I ended up, I think it was last year maybe, I went out and got a really good deal on an Xbox Series S. And I've got to say, I absolutely love it.
00:06:09
Speaker
It's just, it's so small and portable and this sounds like an advert for it, but trust me, Chatsunami is not that big though, we're getting sponsored by Microsoft, but you know, Bill Gates, if you're listening, love your stuff. Yeah, I absolutely love it, although a lot of people do complain about it because they say it's not as powerful and everything, and then it actually reminds me of the old console war. Like, do you remember this, the old console war argument?
00:06:35
Speaker
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I'll go back to the day of the Commodore 64 and the Spectrum and the Asdrads. So yeah, it was the same back then too. Again, this was because of my brothers. They had NES and the Sega Mega Drive or Genesis for the American listeners. And yeah, you would always have that between Sega and Nintendo, but I think
00:06:55
Speaker
When I was growing up it was the tail end of the Sega Nintendo rivalry and that's when Sony and everyone started coming in and now really it's a three-way tie, isn't it? You've got your Nintendo, you've got Microsoft and now you've got Sony just fighting for top place.
00:07:12
Speaker
You know, it's funny as well, you know, people do say about the Xbox and it's not as powerful, but it's funny what you were saying about the PC is even me, I really enjoy playing all the indie games and, well, I say retro, but the older games, even like the Xbox 360, I still, I get a lot more enjoyment, it seems, from the indie games than I do kind of looking forward. I don't think there's many AAA games or even AA games that I tend to overly look forward to now, although when Mass Effect 4 drops, obviously, I'll be all over that.
00:07:40
Speaker
but the game pass is just great to be able to dabble in a game I've not tried before yet in the indie scene as well and I know you get it on the PlayStation as well those games but the power thing is irrelevant I think a lot of the time. Funny enough I was actually watching a video today about and again this is a cheery subject about people complaining about the state of modern gaming nowadays and they were mainly focusing on triple-a games as you said it's like
00:08:07
Speaker
people aren't looking forward to it because they're not catered to the casual fans anymore they're targeted more towards live service models you know like your fortnights all the battle passes so you've got overwatch you've got god forbid fall guys has a battle pass for some reason call of duty as well halo all the old games that you used to love growing up they're all following this mold and it's just it's weird to see it growing up with games that had to be
00:08:37
Speaker
I was going to say it's a problem that we're getting older.
Modern AAA Games and Industry Critique
00:08:40
Speaker
But no, no, I do agree with you. I mean, and I think I messaged him. I've been Jerry from two blokes from blight in game cup pod, but I was really struggling recently to get into games. You know, I can't remember what I was playing, but I'd finished it and.
00:08:53
Speaker
I went back and played actually the Ezio collection, the remastered collection of Assassin's Creed 2, so there's three games of Ezio. I just really loved doing that. Now, I think they're actually from 2010, I think, 2011, maybe a bit later, but yeah, I had really good fun playing them. And like I said, because they were self-contained, okay, borrowing a couple of bits of DLC, self-contained single-player focused games.
00:09:17
Speaker
It seems as if there is an emphasis now on getting people online and this was actually something that I tweeted slash xt. I actually don't know what the term is now that they changed it to xt, xting, I don't know. But anyway, I tweeted, I'm going to say that for a brevity's sake, but I tweeted that earlier because I was actually quite interested to hear what people had to say about it. The fact
00:09:40
Speaker
to the nowadays gaming companies don't really have much of a priority, I suppose is the right word, in creating a good first impression. They'll put out a game that will be absolutely terrible and then they'll try and build on that really bad foundation. And by the end you might have a house but you know it's on a wobbly foundation to begin with. But do you feel like that as well?
00:10:04
Speaker
Yeah, I do think so, but I think they tread a fine line because I guess it all depends on the money and the focus behind it. So for example, Cyberpunk, that launched atrociously, didn't it? They worked on it. And actually I played it a couple of months ago again on the Xbox and it wasn't too bad. There were some still funny glitches and bugs, but it, you know, maybe I'd avoided it. And the same thing happened with Mass Effect Andromeda. I remember that launched to a lot of funny memes and jokes on the internet. But by the time I got around to
00:10:33
Speaker
it was a solid game but then look at something like the golem game actually it was your message wasn't it saying there's part me that's really tempted i want it honestly how bad it is but yeah and i think he said yeah get it second hand oh yeah don't give them money don't support that
00:10:48
Speaker
But, you know, that's not going to be fixed. And I think there's a real, you know, if it's a fee for a college, you know, it's going to get all the patches. So I think you could be confident being a day one purchaser.
Gaming Nostalgia and Collector's Editions
00:11:00
Speaker
But yeah, I don't think I want to be anymore. Because I mean, even when I was younger, I always remember being excited when I preordered a game. I remember going into, I think it was Debenhams of all places. This is how long ago it was, going into Debenhams and there was like a game in there.
00:11:16
Speaker
the game shop for anyone wondering. Not just like a single game in the middle of the floor. Yeah, just in case we were like, what's a game? And I had pre-ordered, I think it was Pokemon Sapphire, like around 2003. Jesus Christ, that was 20 years ago. Anyway, sorry. Existential Crisis Aside. I remember pre-ordering that and then I got it and I was so excited to play it. Popped it in, loved it, just thought it was an amazing game. And that's the thing.
00:11:41
Speaker
I don't feel that way about many modern games as much, and this isn't me trying to be a hipster or anything, but generally, unless it's like an indie game, I think I brought this up before, but there was a game I think I played recently called Spark the Electric Jester, and it was like this platformer that was very akin to Sonic. I know Surprise surprised me bringing up Sonic in conversation, but
00:12:04
Speaker
Yeah, I just loved it because it was absolutely just a lot of fun really. It was just prioritised to play really well, to have fun. But when I go back and look at the games that say pre-order now and you get all of these skins for your multiplayer characters, can I remember if I messaged you about this or I think I tweeted it out. It was about the new Call of Duty game.
00:12:28
Speaker
The new one, not the old one, and ยฃ99 for the special edition. And I've got to say, the pre-order stuff was terrible. It was like, oh, you get 20 levels or so many levels on the Battle Bash, you get this skin, you get this coating for your gun. And I think, see, once that game's out of date, you can't use those anymore. Back in the day, you used to get, oh, what do you call them? The goggles. Yes, the night vision. You had the night vision.
00:12:55
Speaker
Yeah, you used to get the night vision goggles and things like that, or you got a camera or something, or the RCXD car and the Black Ops one. But now it's like, oh, you get a code for Doritos or something. That was one of the things for Modern Warfare, the 2019 one. It was like, you've got 20 packets of Doritos in a really horrible, twisted plastic model of Captain Price.
00:13:19
Speaker
No, this is enough of a really good point. So firstly, yeah, like you, I'm not overly excited anymore about pre-ordering things, but there's a couple of things there. And I will say with me, honestly, I think the stage of life I'm at now in the sense of I probably, and podcasting is a huge cause of that as well now. I tend not to have too much time now dedicated to gaming, not like I used to. So there's an element of knowing that too. So if it's a huge sprawling game, there's a bit of a, I really want to play it, but I'm not sure if I do.
00:13:48
Speaker
then there's the I don't want to spend 55 quid on a game that I probably due to backlog won't play until it's reduced to 25 pounds on mine by that point anyway so there's an element of that but you've hit the nail on the head it used to be quite exciting and exhilarating pre-ordering games for the collector's editions now I could never necessarily get them all brand new because they were far too expensive but they used to drop quite quickly so I remember having like the fable three collector's edition and it came with like a deck of
00:14:16
Speaker
cards and some sort of trinket. Fallout 4 came in like a metal lunchbox which had then figurines, books, makings of etc. I think it was Batman. I can't remember. One of the Batman games that came in a beautiful collector's box with I've still got it on the shelf here like a Batman figurine. It was a DVD of one of the animated adventures even through two
00:14:39
Speaker
This game didn't get much love, but I stand by it. That's a great game and fight me if you disagree. But Driver San Francisco, I don't know if you ever played that. I'm not pleased, but I have heard of it. It's bizarre, but I love it. But that came with a car in the action pose and a comic book, etc. But now, like you said, you're paying more than they used to cost then just for digital things. And I don't know if they still do it, but there was a phase where you wouldn't even get the game in the collector's edition. I don't know if you remember that. Yeah.
00:15:07
Speaker
Oh, well they just gave you like a code inside the box. I didn't even get that. Sometimes you just bought the collector's gear but it didn't actually come with a game, which was amazing. That kind of blew my mind. It's like you're not actually getting the game with it. That is weird. Although the one thing I'll say is the one game that I hope they didn't do that for was for Dead Island. Do you remember the controversy behind that one?
00:15:30
Speaker
Oh, was it that the bus that came off? Yeah. But what a metaphorical idea that they clearly pulled for obvious reasons because it was in very, very poor days. You know what? There's an episode here. I can't even remember if I've covered it now, but about the Bizarre Collectors Edition Capcom, I think did some great ones, like really expensive ones. I think one of the Resident Evil, I think you could buy the leather jacket. I think Leon Ward, the edition cost about ยฃ400 or whatever.
00:15:59
Speaker
Oh my god. I mean I remember being shocked at paying ยฃ30 for the limited edition for Gears of War 3 and that was fantastic. I don't know if you've seen that. It's not like anything too flashy but you get a small flag of the coalition in the game. It's like a steampunk version of the European Union flag. You know, just imagine that.
00:16:21
Speaker
Did that not come with the actual gear? Yeah, it came with the gear. Yeah. I like that. I thought that looked quite classy. Stylish, sorry, is the word. And I always remember thinking I should have got that, but I didn't.
00:16:33
Speaker
Honestly, I love it. Actually, the reason I got it, and this is quite a weird reason why I got into Gears, but it was because a friend and I went to a game shop and we were just looking at the pre-owned. We were students at the time. We were scraping our pocket money. And I actually had the decision between that or Final Fantasy.
00:16:53
Speaker
I know my life could have gone a completely different way if I chose Final Fantasy. I would have been a PlayStation player, but that's a horrifying ult in the universe aside. But I remember I said to him what Skiers of War like, and he was recommended that completely. He was like, it's a great game, definitely go try it. So I got that and the sequel to it, because the sequel was there just by chance, and it was like a two, four,
00:17:16
Speaker
deal, just by chance the woman behind the counter had a limited edition version behind the counter. She was like, well, do you want the limited edition? And I was like, yeah, sure. And my friend also got a limited edition as well. So I can't remember what game he had, but it wasn't Final Fantasy. But I got that. Then I thought, oh, get the limited edition for the third one. And then by chance, a couple of weeks ago, I was in town and I was in a CEX. And I'm saying CEX. I refused to call it by its name. And I ended up getting the limited edition for the first one.
00:17:46
Speaker
You're completely right, it's amazing the amount of detail. For the first one, not only have you got an art book, but you've got the tin as well, you've got a DVD for the making of it. The same with the second one, you've got the extra stuff, the deleted scenes of the game and things. It is just so amazing the effort that you used to put in, and nowadays it's kind of like
00:18:06
Speaker
Yeah, here's a bag of Diddy Tools for nuts. Even funnier though, did you remember there used to be a huge market for, and I did get some and I'll explain why, but the walkthrough books are coming with the strategy guides for games. Now the thing is even they then started doing like the quote collector's edition of it, so where they would put 30 or 40 pages of designs and storyboarding for the game and it would come with again a trinket for the game you're doing. So I remember I think I had one for final
00:18:35
Speaker
It might have been Final Fantasy 13 and the covers were nicely padded, it was really glossy pages. I think I had one for Bioshock Infinite and again mainly because I wasn't necessarily getting them for the guide, they were just really good companions to a game series if you really liked it. It was amazing that the strategy guides then also were kind of starting to do that side of things.
00:18:57
Speaker
Yeah, they used to be everywhere right enough. Although they never gave good information, did they? They always gave you vague information and then they said, at least this was kind of 90s, early 2000s, they would be like, if you need more information, call this number and we'll tell you how to get through the level. We just don't get that anymore for obvious reasons. I mean, it would be a bit weird having a company nowadays get the other end to be like, oh, you do this and this when you can just look it up in Google nowadays.
00:19:24
Speaker
and use a phone to call someone. Now you don't do that, it's ticks and emails, you know what I mean? Yeah. Oh, I've perished, I thought. Yeah, oh, slightly off topic, but that does irritate me when I have to deal with a company and they're like, oh, just phone us on this number. I'm sorry. Is this not the 21st century? Where is my Star Trek utopia? I was promised.
00:19:43
Speaker
I want to speak to them, but then it's like, sorry, all our operatives are busy right now. Your call is important to us. Please hold the line. You are caller 248. Your call is important. And it's like, ah, and that hold music. Try have some variation in hold music. Don't have just the one song. If I'm going to be on hold for 45 minutes, various reasons I had to call the tax office today and my word, yeah.
00:20:04
Speaker
It's like, please, please, please have an album. I probably could have listened to an entire Spotify playlist by the time they're going to answer the phone. So there was another company years ago that would ask you, you're going to be placed on hold. What type of music do you want to listen to? Press one for pop, press two for classical, press three for rock. And I was thinking, you know, you're in for a long wait then.
00:20:25
Speaker
You know, it actually reminds me of, see those games and films especially where it talks about a dystopian future where everybody has their own humanoid android. And on the one hand, they say, oh, it's terrible. They're going to rise up. They're going to kill everyone. They're going to take over and everything. But on the other hand, they do answer the phone and make phone calls for you. Is that a good trade off? I mean, for me personally, yes, that's a risk I'm willing to take. I don't know.
00:20:55
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, like I said, I think, especially since the pandemic, I think customer service, phone customer service, anyway, has gone right downhill. So yeah, I do dread. It's always the thing in my house when she says, I know you're going to have to make a phone call. And I'm like, I don't want to see if the robots can do that for me. Or I'd happily actually talk to one actually on that side of things. But yeah, it can be so frustrating nowadays. But I mean, speaking of the pandemic, and that is just such a cheery segue,
Podcasting Journey and Community Experience
00:21:24
Speaker
I apologize.
00:21:24
Speaker
I would say. Speaking of that dark time, as I said before you had started casting views which is an utterly fantastic podcast. You talk about a wide range of topics. Surprisingly you talk about gaming as we just talked about for the last half hour there. You have discussed things about film, you've discussed tropes, you've discussed a wide range but is it right to say that you started it in 2021?
00:21:50
Speaker
Yeah, it's actually, well, at the time of recording, it's actually come up to my two-year pod-a-versary. So actually I started planning it June, July time, 21, recorded a number of episodes because I didn't know how well I would do or how well it would go or how long it would take me. So I remember recording about four, five, six episodes. And yeah, the first episode, I think it was the 19th September, yeah, 2021. So kind of slap bang in the middle of it.
00:22:16
Speaker
Was that the reason you started the podcast? Because of the lockdown? I was going to say yes, no and yes, right? So what had happened was I was actually involved in another podcast that is no longer about so I won't necessarily plug it but what happened was that the company I was working for before the pandemic I used to cash share with someone
00:22:36
Speaker
and the conversations we would have in the car were bizarre and then sometimes every now and then we'd have someone else in the car you know to bring to and from work and we always used to joke oh we should record this we should you know I didn't really listen to podcasts all then but we were joking oh we should put this out there we should record this and then Covid hit and I think it was January of that year
00:22:56
Speaker
A couple of the people at the company, the guy we've said, okay, why don't we put a podcast together? So that podcast there kind of got my training wheels on and I learned how to put it all together. And actually the main guy from that who put it together, Dave, is actually, I'll come onto it after part of my other podcast, the Just Football one. So he taught me how to host and as in the platform host and edit the episode, et cetera.
00:23:20
Speaker
Then while I was doing that and in the real midst of COVID, yeah, the pandemic, I was getting really frustrated. Like I'm sure we all were, because especially in England, we'd had a number of lockdowns. It was, do you remember that summer was like just such a beautiful summer. I was working, working from home, albeit, but I was working, so wasn't enjoying it. And then you would finish your day and then just sit down because yes, you go for your hour walk and that was it. And I was starting to get really frustrated. And at one point I tried to learn the guitar. That didn't.
00:23:49
Speaker
Well, it was starting to go well, but I just didn't have the patience for that. Then I did get a ukulele, like I think probably the sale of ukuleles went up about a thousand percent during the pandemic. And I still got that and I still enjoy playing a little bit on that. But it got to the point where I wanted to do something creative. But I was limited in what I could do both for time because I was working long hours and I won't create things. I'm not a great artist. I can't put things together.
00:24:15
Speaker
But I had the ideas of, you know, I've got a creative mind. So I thought, what can I do that's going to sort of exercise the brain during lockdowns? And having had the experience of how to put a pod together, I just thought I wanted to do my own one. Yeah.
00:24:29
Speaker
It's definitely been an experience, I've got to say, in like all the best ways. Would you say that podcasting has been a positive experience for yourself? I love it. We were talking briefly before you press record, but people listening might find this funny, but it is hard work.
00:24:46
Speaker
You know, it's very time consuming. So I was just saying that time recording, I've taken a couple of weeks break just because there was a lot going on and I've had a week's holiday and I'm finding the struggle to kick back into it is difficult. But when I was not doing it, all I was thinking about was the podcast because I miss doing it.
00:25:05
Speaker
Yeah, it's great. I mean, firstly, the one thing I know a lot of podcasters say it, but it's honestly so true. The community and the people I've met, you know, yourself included, it's just been brilliant. You know, the people I speak to regularly because of this podcast, I'll be eternally grateful for that because it's just, there's been so many people that the group of pods I fell in with, we've got a Twitter or x-red group set up for it, collectively called the Brain Trust. The support they gave me
00:25:31
Speaker
at the start the commenters and still are now so my music comes from one of them that familiar Wilson's a lot of the artwork comes from them and my cover comes from them it's just been unbelievable and the motivation for continuing to meet new people from that because there's always sort of it's not month goes by where I don't say jumping on a conversation of yours or Twitter on their nostalgic say and I start talking to another podcast because of that and
00:25:57
Speaker
The social element of it is great, but also I find it really has, when I'm right in the zone with it, I've probably as organised as I've ever been in the rest of my life when I'm doing it. It's incredible. You're completely right though, see when they were saying about how that consumes your life in a way, in the best way possible. I always used to find it funny when you saw, you know the stereotypes when it's a guy who's like, they're really into barbecues or cars or sports or something.
00:26:23
Speaker
and I always looked at them and don't get me wrong I'm not big into cars or football myself and I look and think oh how could you be so obsessed with a hobby how could you be so obsessed and then I look at myself and think Jesus I've just become a podcast guy haven't I going around being like so another thing about podcasts let me tell you
00:26:41
Speaker
That's all I talk about to my friends, they must just be sickled, maybe like, oh Jesus, here he comes, here comes Satsu talking about podcasts. It's funny you say that because a couple of my friends, because they aren't, so I've mentioned the Just Football podcast, so I talk to them about pods, but that's fine because their podcast is too. At work,
00:26:58
Speaker
I changed jobs back in November, so almost a year ago. I didn't mention podcasts for a few months because you're kind of working out what people are like, you know, is it the sort of thing where you want them to, you know, are you sometimes confident? I know it sounds funny, but do you want people that you work with to listen to the stuff you're putting out? And I try not to talk too much about it there because I don't want it, like you said, I don't want to be that person. But I just love talking about, or I love thinking about my podcast and working on it.
00:27:25
Speaker
like I said about the time consuming it's funny because I know there's two types of people there are people that get the episode they've recorded put it through a macro clean up the sound and put it out and that's brilliant you know I wish I could do that but I want to listen to it word for word because I know there's things
00:27:41
Speaker
I've said I very rarely cut much out if anything at all from the guests but there's bits that I'm not happy about with me when I hear myself back so I will listen to the episode a couple of times and edit it so you're looking at a day or a couple of nights to edit you know obviously the night to record it I might be doing a couple of episodes a week
00:27:58
Speaker
and then the worst thing for me is the planning for you as well. Now when I started I didn't know what way I wanted to do it either focus on a specific thing like gaming or music that was important to me too or go general topic so I went general topic thinking it would be easier and I'm not going to say it even ones easier or not you know in a way is easier because you can pick from anything you want but likewise
00:28:22
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Because you can pick from anything you want, you've got to make it also enjoyable to yourself and hopefully to listeners. So sometimes just planning ahead of what you want to do, that could be really, I'm going to say the word exhausted. I don't mean physically exhausted, but I mean, you know, do you know what I mean? Because you'll go round and round with ideas. Can I make it work? Can I not make it work? No, move on to the next thing. And it's just, yeah, it can be frustrating and difficult at times.
00:28:45
Speaker
Oh no, absolutely. I 100% know what you mean. When I did Twitch streaming, I very much fell into the same pitfalls where I wanted to do variety streaming. So I wanted to play games that I enjoyed. I wanted to play games that I grew up with. I wanted to share that experience with people. What I didn't want to do though was pigeonhole myself into one particular game.
00:29:10
Speaker
and that's how I feel about podcasting as well. This is a double-edged sword because on the one hand you can talk about whatever you want. You can talk about different topics in the case of Chatsunami from gaming the films to anime general interest and it's the same with yourself.
00:29:26
Speaker
You talk about gaming, technology, TV shows, films, things like that. And if you focus on one topic, you are going to get a more concentrated fan base. Zero and then on you. That is like 100% true. But the issue with that is that I found especially streaming is
00:29:44
Speaker
If you focus on one thing and then you want to move on from that thing, then your former fanbase is just going to move away from you. Not all of them. Some will be interested to see what you're doing next, but if you're consistent, like what you and I, of course, have been doing, just saying we're doing whatever we want, but
00:30:02
Speaker
having some kind of method to the madness that's the term I'm looking for but we're at least kind of planning it that way whereas a lot of people who stick to one topic have talked to a lot of streamers who have said that they focused on games like Team Fortress 2 or Call of Duty and then they tried to play other games but because people aren't interested in the new stuff then they're not gonna get the same analytics that they would get
00:30:28
Speaker
otherwise if this stuck to one thing. But do you feel as if your lessons and analytics, again, your numbers aren't everything, but do you feel as if they vary because you do different topics? Yeah, they definitely do. Now, I've recently changed platform host against my numbers are kind of a bit weird at the moment, but
00:30:45
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yeah it can also vary on the guest yeah the guest you've got but i think the topics very much so so i class it as general topic because yeah it is it can be anything so i have done some on the entertainment side of things but i've done
00:31:00
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cons, scams, and frauds. I've looked at social media, cryptocurrency. I try to do some really random things. I've looked at gambling, robots, and unusual jobs. So I do think there's an element of who you're going to kind of attract to that. But in the end, what I say to myself is I'm honestly doing this because as hard work as I've said it is, or time consumers as I said it is, I just love doing it.
00:31:26
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And for a while at one point I was looking at numbers and it was a wife that kept saying to me, she goes, yeah, but you're not doing this for numbers. And I said, yeah, you're right. But at the start, especially you want to make sure that it's nice to know that somebody, you know, that people out there are listening, right? But absolutely, if I look at say the last few months I've done, well, let's say the one I did with you, band advertising.
00:31:46
Speaker
Then the next one was sporting cheats and scandals. Now I've got to hope people like the people I've attracted with all bad advertising, that's good. Are they going to want to hear about sporting cheats and scandals? And then next week I've done medical advances past, present and future. So yeah, I think I'm happy knowing the fact that I'm going to have the core set of listeners who like that randomness each week and just hope that yeah, with each topic you might be able to attract
00:32:10
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X amount more listeners. It's a fine line, yeah. It is an interesting one now. I've not really thought about that, to be honest, in terms of numbers fluctuating based on the episode, yeah. I feel as if, especially for the industry of podcasts and marketing next to editing, and I know you love editing, so apologies, no
Indie Podcasting Challenges and Marketing
00:32:30
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offence. I know, actually.
00:32:31
Speaker
But I feel as if after editing marketing is probably one of the hardest things to do for a podcast, especially an indie podcast because people have, and this isn't just a podcast and this can be for any realm of content creation, people have this thing where
00:32:50
Speaker
they compare themselves to whether it be celebrities or people far above in a completely different world where they've got teams behind them or even social media stars that they've got a huge following and then one day they decide to flick on the mic and say oh I'm doing the podcast and then their numbers just shoot up automatically whereas a lot of indie podcasters have this not issue but just this kind of slow burn
00:33:17
Speaker
if that makes sense and it can be quite discouraging for a lot of people to find that they are worried that they're not doing as well because you know you might see someone who says oh I've got a million downloads or oh I've got this and that but they might have the exact same worries or doubts that you have if they're in the same sphere.
00:33:36
Speaker
The marketing side of things, the promotion you said is absolutely true. I know I probably could be doing a bit more. It's just so difficult now because, you know, I do joke about it on my episodes, but it feels like every week at the moment, there's a new platform, a new social media platform. You feel like you have to be on it, right? And yeah, if I could have someone, again, I'm working on trying to convince a wife, but if I could have someone that could do my social media all day, because I look at it, I think you do in terms of your social media presence. Yeah, you're excellent on it.
00:34:05
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and I think people do think that yeah you just do a couple of tweets and that's it but you know even you must have noticed as well in recent months that the Twitter interaction also has or X interaction has gone down hasn't it? Oh 110% ever since it stupidly got taken over and turned from Twitter to X. First of all thank you for saying I'm doing a good job. I wish I could tell myself that but
00:34:29
Speaker
Yeah, my engagement has gone completely down. I threw out tweets there and sometimes they do catch and loads of people reply and I'm like, oh fantastic, it's going to be one of those days. So then I send out a second tweet and then nothing or I might get one or two likes. Then I'll send out a third tweet and usually the third tweet or the fourth tweet, depending on the day, that will be a promotion one. I want to really win the game traction and no.
00:34:55
Speaker
Not a drop. And I know why it is, it's because of this verification system. What are your thoughts on that? Because it's just that it feels like it's a pay to win situation right now. Yeah, it's a really good analogy. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. And yeah, I get it.
00:35:11
Speaker
right I get why they want to do that it just it feels a shame having been there where it was a lot more the community side of things like I said I always found personal Twitter I'd stopped using because it can get quite toxic but I found podcast Twitter was just amazing
00:35:28
Speaker
But like I said, yeah, I think I need to, that's when I kick off the new season. I think I need to tell myself to do a bit more because like I said, you know, a lot of the pods I follow, you know, yourself included, you know, you are really visible. And I think as difficult as it's become, I think it does make a difference.
00:35:44
Speaker
I know it's just nowadays it is really hard to tell whether or not your stuff is visible. You know you would definitely note that I would say that I got more likes back in the day but you could tell that people were interacting a lot more but nowadays honestly I 100% agree with you. What annoys me more not only with X but I think what annoys me more nowadays as you were saying about the hundreds of other alternatives. You've got Instagram, you've got
00:36:13
Speaker
threads which actually isn't the worst. It's not picked up as much traction I feel but it's not the worst out there. It really depends on the kind of podcast I think that you're putting out there but the thing that annoys me is the amount of people who are trying to be the next
00:36:30
Speaker
Twitter and then you try it and it's just terrible. I don't know if you were on that hive. That was just horrific. It was ages ago they brought it out and it was supposed to be like the next big social media, only they were doing things like they were letting other people take your username. So you could have two chat tsunamis there, you could have three casting views, which isn't a bad thing.
00:36:53
Speaker
you know you could have all of these people just taking your identity essentially. That's what annoyed me because there was another app for Twitch that was supposed to be kind of similar to TikTok but it was like a gaming TikTok called Hover and then one day it just disappeared. I don't know what happened to it, like it was there for ages and they made a big
00:37:13
Speaker
think about oh it's gonna be the next blah blah blah it's gonna be the next tick tock and then it just shuts down and it's a shame that companies like Twitter slash X and you know Instagram and things they're just so big that there's not really many viable alternatives like there are alternatives but not ones that can really challenge what's already there as much
00:37:37
Speaker
I think the issue is that there have been people migrated over to other platforms now so I think X is probably still the big one but a large chunk of people I know seem to be more active on threads and I agree with you I think threads just need some tweaking.
00:37:52
Speaker
and it can be just as good. It's not bad actually, it's not bad, but recently I had an invitation onto Blue Sky, so I'm on that as well, and that looks quite good. So that's the thing, you've then got to be present and active on them. So, you know, just looking at my phone now in that folder, you've got X, you've got TikTok, Instagram, Discord, threads.
00:38:13
Speaker
blue sky for yourself you've got twitch and there's also youtube which you need to i think is for a lot of people youtube the episodes onto youtube is something i've started looking at recently i'm not sure if that's how they want to listen to my shows specifically but you know i'm gonna do it because you might as well be on it then not so it's just a reminder that the more times these things happen people do follow to a certain platform and you feel like you do have to maintain that presence on them
00:38:39
Speaker
Oh no, absolutely. The amount of social medias that I'm on just now, but I don't focus on them as much. For example, we have a Facebook group, but I've connected it to our Instagram page. So whenever I post something on Instagram, it'll automatically post onto Facebook. And then I've got the headliner app.
00:39:00
Speaker
which that automatically posts our episodes from the feed onto YouTube and it's great. Don't get me wrong, it's a really handy service to have but I totally agree we don't gain as much traction there either because I always put emphasis on promoting our website and things because I want
00:39:22
Speaker
one place that people can come and say all right this is where I'm getting all the information, this is what's happening, this is the central hub of cool kids, for legal reasons that's a joke. You know you're completely right it's so hard to juggle all of these different social medias and I've got to say I don't know about you but I'm getting very weary seeing when it comes to TikTok. I don't know if it's just I'm getting older or I'm yelling at the kids to get off my lawn but I don't understand it.
00:39:48
Speaker
Yeah, it's kind of no rhyme or reason as to what make a video viral, right? Use this song or use this filter. It's like, I just want to tell you about my pod. I believe wholeheartedly that for the most part, half of it is probably down to hard work.
00:40:04
Speaker
but the other half is just down to pure dumb luck because the amount of things that I have seen go quote-unquote viral or they've got millions of likes, millions of views and again this is no shade against the people who have created these things. They've created something, there's been a demand for that for some reason. I think the go-to one that really confused me was it was a video from YouTube of all people and it was these creators that literally they got famous because they grabbed all these
00:40:33
Speaker
paints, like felt-tip paints, and they ran it underwater and then they made silly faces and that somehow got millions of views. The one that really baffles me is I've got a video on TikTok that's got a million views and it's a concrete panda shitpost.
00:40:51
Speaker
That is the only way I can describe it. Do you remember that meme that was going around and it was the boys? Do you know, I still can't remember you doing that because I remember you saying about the video blowing up. Yeah, because it was going up and up and I think up until that point I'd go maybe a couple of thousand for a lot of silly videos and I think I got a thousand for one or two in my
00:41:13
Speaker
clips and I thought, oh that's amazing, I can't wait to see how well my clips do in comparison. And the one to actually go quote unquote viral is a Kung Fu Panda meme. And I was like, why? Why Krugo? Definitely down to luck, I think for some of them. Not 100% but I do think a lot of it can be down to luck.
00:41:34
Speaker
I'm the mystery of the algorithm. I know people complain about that, but I genuinely do think that if you're getting that algorithm cut in or whatever they call it, the wave, as it were, if you get on that, well done. That's great. But how do you get on it? Yeah, if someone can tell us Satsu and I, let's do it. Yeah. Someone get us viral. Get this episode viral. Share it amongst your friends. If your granny wants to get into podcasts,
00:41:58
Speaker
So here's a question for you. Going back to something you said earlier, you were saying how, as of this episode, you've been podcasting for just about two years now, which is absolutely fantastic. And by the time this episode comes out, you've probably done your whole diversity episodes as well. Did you think you would have been going this long at podcasting when you started?
00:42:22
Speaker
I'm going to say I don't think I did. That's not to say that I didn't go into it wanting to. I think what it is is I didn't realise I'd have so much fun, one with the politics of it, to have so much fun initially with the community. So I'm glad I started when I did.
00:42:37
Speaker
because you know everything we've just been talking about maybe if you start now it might have been harder to do that I think you know I absolutely had some luck falling into the group and a lot of that is also I kind of did reach out to a number of pods just to say let you know because I'm very much a believer that especially with the independent pods you know the indie pods if I like it I'll try to reach out just send a message just say look just want to let you know I love your pod well it does make a huge difference doesn't it
00:43:02
Speaker
So do I think I would have got to two years? No, I don't think I did. I mean, I'm still sitting here in disbelief thinking because it's the way I've timed it as well. And I've kind of cheated a bit. The episodes I'm releasing at the moment, I've cast them as bonus and not part of the mainstream episode, but I've done that. So it's going to be a combined a hundredth episode and two year pod-a-versary. And I'm just thinking that I've done a hundred episodes.
00:43:23
Speaker
And I know some pods have done four, five, six times the amount of that, but for me, I'm just thinking, yeah, no, do you know, I'm absolutely chuffed with it. And yeah, I probably would have thought maybe six months to a year, but the fact that yeah, sort of two years on still going, you know, might only be another six months. It might be another 10 years, but I'm enjoying the ride as it's happening. And yeah, I'm a little pleased that I have reached the two year mark.
00:43:44
Speaker
No, and it's absolutely well deserved because I'm not just saying this because you're on for legal reasons. I'm looking at the red panel lawyer in the corner and he's giving the thumbs up of approval there. But you do absolutely fantastic work on your podcast. And as I said before, you've covered just such a variety of topics that I find it hard to believe that people couldn't get invested in your podcast.
00:44:07
Speaker
I mean, even if they're not into jumping the shark episodes, for example. So they might think, oh, I'm into one on technology or I'm into topics about gaming or something like that. And you think, well, that is perfectly fine going to that one. But I feel as if there's definitely something for everyone in your show and all the successes that you do get from it, they're definitely well earned.
00:44:30
Speaker
Now thank you for the kind words, I mean what I would say is yeah, so in an episode I try to say right even if it's something that might not necessarily on the face of it be an obvious subject that might appeal to people I do try to frame the episode for it to be enjoyable in some way so I'll never take
00:44:48
Speaker
a serious subject and make it flippant and I won't necessarily take a flippant subject and try to make it serious but there's a line of trying to take something and hopefully some episodes there might be something informative in it but generally you can have a bit of a laugh with them.
00:45:03
Speaker
I think the big thing for me is going to be is, so at the start, you know, I was part of a duo now. I'm generally, well, now I'm solo, but I've had a lot of guests on. I think the next thing for me is to do, there will be some solo episodes, as in just me. And I think that's going to be a hard thing because there are people out there that again have done it and well, there are loads.
00:45:23
Speaker
do it but yeah I'm thinking for me it's gonna be an odd one to try do a few solo ones but you know I think there are certain subjects which will mean a lot to me or might not necessarily work as good as a conversation so I'm gonna try to do that as well but yeah I do try to have fun with the subjects and I want to say a lot of them are planned so I'm not gonna do myself a disservice so I've got a board here I've got a white board on the wall and I do write them down
00:45:48
Speaker
but it might be weird, I might be on a drive to work and there'll be something on the road, I'll see something and that'll trigger a sort, so get that down on the WhatsApp straight away so I can write it on the board and then see if I can work something out. The funniest one is, I can say it because it will have aired by the time this episode goes out, but the opener for the next season is on Bizarre Lawsuits. Now, it should be an obvious subject based on some of my previous matter, but I'd not sort of it, but whatever reason it was, I woke up one night
00:46:15
Speaker
And I just had bizarre lawsuits. Maybe I was having a very weird dream, but I remember at the time it was the middle of the night and I text Justin from the movie Y show because for him it would be sort of late evening. I just texted. I said, I've got the next episode you're being on and I texted. So it's weird sometimes where the inspiration or the subjects comes from. But yeah, as far as possible, I do try to get them planned in, but I like to mix them up. So I have done a few film ones. I have done some gaming's, but I've tried to not necessarily do two or three film ones in a row because one
00:46:45
Speaker
I'm not a film-based podcast, but the gaming, like yourself and Nurse Dalgic and Game Club Pod, you're doing far better than I could. For movies, you've got, yeah, like The Movie Wire, Cult Worthy, etc. So I try to have fun. So where I have done some movie or TV ones, like, again, it was kind of the episode you came on, Jumping the Shark, just because you can have a bit of fun with that. And I think we did have quite a bit of fun discussing that one. Oh, definitely. And for any of the listeners out there, if you have not listened to that episode,
00:47:13
Speaker
please after this episode go over to casting views and listen to that one that was a lot of fun to discuss you might say it was a walking out the shower moment we're trying to make that stick aren't we oh no it's sticking i've already printed the t-shirts it's too late now got our avatars heads on and everything
00:47:30
Speaker
And then again, with gaming, recently I had GameCube Pod on and it was what if video game logic applied to real life rather than being about games? Because I think, like I said, there are pods that do the specialised things really well. So my approach is do something a bit random. And also, like I said, to be able to have you come onto mine to talk about something that might be in your world, but not directly so you can have a bit of fun with it as well.
00:47:54
Speaker
I mean, that is the amazing thing about collaborating with other podcasters, especially in the industry, because I feel as if the bigger you get in podcasting, probably the harder it would be to try and get people to come on your show and be like, oh, do you want to do an episode on this wacky thing? And they'd be like, what? No.
00:48:13
Speaker
Anyway oh okay back to the drawing board but I feel as if as you were saying before India podcasters are some of the most friendly people you'll ever meet in terms of online communities. I totally agree that it is just so heartwarming to see people come together and collaborate with all of these topics that either you have or as you said if someone else has it and
00:48:37
Speaker
it doesn't fit into your show, but that's into theirs. You'll go into theirs and be like, oh, let's talk about this, let's talk about that. And it's a great socialization thing. Absolutely. And when I do guess myself coming onto this, initially it is a bit wary because it's funny almost being on the other side of things, although we are just having a conversation.
00:48:58
Speaker
is good to be able to do something slightly different to what you do. I encourage anyone who's listening who hasn't collaborated, it is, yeah, reach out. If there's a pod you like, reach out to them, reach out to Satsu or myself. And it's amazing the creativeness you can get from just bouncing ideas off of people. Some of my recent, well, quite a few of my recent episodes have come from the group I'm in because they'll message me and say, Dan, if you thought about this, this would be a really good fit for your show.
00:49:23
Speaker
It's really heartwarming because you know they've got an idea for a show but they're saying you know you have it you run with it because it's going to work for your show probably more than it would fit in theirs. It is great when you do get someone suggesting topics to yourself because in this season in particular Chatsanami we are definitely going to be trying to get a lot more suggestions and
00:49:44
Speaker
input from listeners for certain topics so yeah Dan I know you got your finger on the trigger for a Mass Effect episode there. Well yeah if you do did you know I like that so if you do have an episode there yeah let me know yeah. Because last week we did an episode on the Mortal Kombat film and that was suggested by one of our patrons Sonia and as part of that tier that they're subscribed to I said oh do you want to suggest a topic for us to do and Sonia said
00:50:13
Speaker
Yeah, why don't you do one on Mortal Kombat? And of course, my friend Craigie C and I, because we had watched the Mortal Kombat film together years and years ago, we thought, you know what, why don't we do that as, I suppose, the christening episode of season four? And it is amazing because it's something that you do get comfortable with your own topics, thinking, I'm going to talk about this, I'm going to talk about that, but then other people will come along and say,
00:50:39
Speaker
why don't you talk about this and that? Because some of the best episodes that I've done, and I'm wondering if you're the same as well, have been from people who have suggested them. For example, I did an episode with my Good Friend Craig you see on minion memes, which I would have never in a million years touched minion memes as a topic, but he suggested it. We had an absolute laugh, same with his suggestion for the Godzilla episodes. My friend Adam, when he suggested what remains of Edith Finch,
00:51:09
Speaker
and I would have never played that game if not for him, even my good friend Andrew as well. He suggested Tokyo Godfathers and Perfect Blue, again films that I might have touched but I wasn't too sure but because I was getting all these inputs. It's always great isn't it that you get that chance to explore new avenues and new topics.
00:51:30
Speaker
It is because like you said, it's just your mind. You can get, especially in the middle of a season, you can get very focused on maybe a specific area and you might not even know you're doing it. So to have someone suggest something completely different. So in recent episodes towards the end of season three, for me, a couple of standouts. So is the one on catfishing that actually came from the guy who co-hosted Danis who's on just football with me. And he said, you know, have you done one on catfishing before? And I said, no, let's do it. You're on.
00:51:56
Speaker
Because that's what I like doing. If they're a podcast, I'll always ask them, do you want to come on and do it? Because it's only fair if it's your suggestion to come on and have a chat with me. Another one was TV Finale. Again, that was from an old work colleague of mine. He suggested the films and shows based on video games, or it might be my idea, but I say I got him on for it. And I said to him, if you ever want to come on again, just let me know if you've got a topic or something. And he said, what about TV Finale? And we got him on.
00:52:21
Speaker
something I would have ever thought of myself but once you get that idea you then I then look at right how can I make it a casting views episode and then that's part the fun it's partly a relief as well to not have to think of an idea that someone's giving you a freebie
00:52:36
Speaker
but it's also yeah like you said it's nice to have someone else's thought process because maybe you've been you know that classic phrase you can't see the tree no you can't see the woods for the trees it's like you're so focused on a certain view and like oh I've done these kind of episodes oh these will come next you sometimes just need that stand back and look at the wider picture again
00:52:56
Speaker
and just going back to something that you were saying earlier when you said that your podcast is a mix of both more light-hearted comedic topics and more serious episodes, what would you say you prefer doing? Would you say you prefer diving into the more serious episodes or
00:53:14
Speaker
Yeah, I think I do and I think there might be, well I know I've got a couple of subjects I do want to cover that will be more serious. It's a mix. I think with guests I like to have the love but now like I mentioned because I'm going to do a few solo ones. I think that's one where I can maybe explore a bit more. I think what I enjoy doing is having the conversation and I think sometimes there's serious ones.
00:53:37
Speaker
Well, when I say serious, they're not totally sort of silly suggestions are the ones where you can probably dig a little bit more into conversation. So did one recently on reincarnation. Now, you know, it wasn't an overly serious episode, but it was a serious topic. So we had a great conversation around it. So I think I'm starting to enjoy a bit more of having the way I'll say is rather than serious, more informative, I would say having those kinds of conversations. I'm enjoying playing around with those a little bit. Yeah.
00:54:06
Speaker
Is there any particular episode you would say, whether it's from your recent season or ones you've done in the past, is there any ones that stand out to you as being a
Creative Topics and Favorite Episodes
00:54:16
Speaker
highlight? Because they're fresher in the memory, I think recent episodes I've really enjoyed doing. And I will start with one, not just because I'm on the show, but I do think the jump in the shark one with yourself.
00:54:27
Speaker
and the band advertising I think they were two great episodes and the subjects you know because jumping the shark is something that people talk about but we don't really I've not really heard too many episodes on it so it was great to be able to hear what you brought to the table and what I did because they were both very different and the band advertising because again you know we managed to pick brands that do seem quite family friendly or you wouldn't think were controversial so it was interesting to see that side of things
00:54:53
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One of my favourite ones, and it's also probably coincidental that it was the highest listened to episode so far, but it's with Justin from the movie Wire. It was the unusual sports part two. It was just hilarious from start to finish and some of the things he said.
00:55:09
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Sometimes what I'm thinking is if I want to have fun with an episode, I like listening to people who are enjoying themselves. And so sometimes that's what I'm trying to get in the podcast as well. And it's the same listening to yours and a couple of others that often it see. I can't remember, I said it to somebody once. They were questioning whether they should do a particular, they were worried about going off in a different direction for a couple of episodes. And I said, look, a lot of the time, for me anyway, I come back to the pod for the presenter. Sometimes it's not even the subject that week. I like listening to the host of the show.
00:55:39
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So yeah, I'm trying to have that kind of vibe on my one, where yeah, hopefully you like the subject as well, but you'll also be sort of taken by the chat that's going on. So yeah, I think band advertising, jumping the shark, unusual sports. It was quite a good one. Medical Advances I mentioned that had Leo Allen, who's been on high eights for a bit, but he shared quite a personal story about his daughter having a transplant. So always be grateful for him coming on and talking about that. So yeah.
00:56:08
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I just, I've really enjoyed it. I would say the end run of season three I thought was some of the best. I just need to keep that going into season four, basically. Oh no, I totally know what you mean. When you look back at your later seasons, you think, oh, my favourite children. And then you look back at your earlier episodes and you're like, Jesus, what was I thinking?
00:56:27
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But even the early ones did a couple of two parts, like there was one on the dark side and the light side of social media, which I enjoyed doing because that took a subject and took the two angles of it. You know, so I might look at doing a bit more of that and we did psychological experiments, but there's also something I'm doing now and it will have aired now and actually it's definitely aired now as we're recording, but the Black Mirror episodes we're doing
00:56:50
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This came again from a random conversation. So again, it's Danis, the sort of friend and cast of the other pod. Now he said to me, it was an innocuous message, you know, just a one off line. It was, have you ever discussed Black Mirror? And I said to him, no, some of the episodes I've mentioned it, or they've touched on themes, but I've never done one on it because it's just too big a subject. And then he said, why don't we do an episode review of it then? And I thought, yeah, why don't we?
00:57:15
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And it appealed to me. Now, I know I said earlier that, you know, I'm not a TV show or I'm not a music reviewer. But what appealed to me on that is that Black Mirror is a fairly concise series and we are doing reviews. So at the moment, one episode has gone out. So we kind of do review the episode, but it is more of a chance to talk about the technology that he's trying to feature or the moral themes of it.
00:57:38
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So the aim is to do all seasons of that. What I'm then looking to do is, is there something on a similar vein? So like I said, you know, I'm not looking to just do TV reviews or game reviews because like I said, there are pods out there like yourselves that do it really, really good. And I won't necessarily do it justice, but is there a way of taking something like that? And again, putting that casting views wrapper around it, which is I think what I'm trying to do with this series.
00:58:04
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so yeah hopefully that'll be well received and if so yeah i'll look at doing some similar things to that. Well if you're looking for another show that's on the summer vein inside number nine it's a fantastic one. You know i hear that a lot and it's one i've never got around to watching yeah.
00:58:19
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Ironically enough, I had never heard of it in this light of chance that any of the creators are listening to this, which I know they probably won't, but if they are, I apologise. But I genuinely had not heard of this show at all until it was my girlfriend who actually said, oh, Inside Number 9's coming on TV. And I was like, great, what's that?
00:58:41
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and she said oh it's a show that it's very similar to Black Mirror in the sense it's an anthology series you know it's like one episode takes place in one isolated story you know so you can watch any episode you want and it's a completely different story but it's all set in one particular set and if it starts off in a house then the whole thing's gonna be in the house if it's in a basement it's gonna be a basement etc you know some episodes are better than others that's the kind of
00:59:10
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curse of a show that runs for so long but it's absolutely fantastic. So genuinely if you're looking for another one after you get through Black Mirror, which don't get me wrong, Black Mirror is a chunky series and I'm honestly going to be really excited to hear what you have to say about the Bandersnatch special without giving any spoilers.
Reviewing Black Mirror and Themes
00:59:31
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That's more of an interactive experience so I'm going to be interested.
00:59:35
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It's going to be an interesting one on that. I think that's where I kind of got up to. I never did watch that. So I think what would be fascinating about that episode is the version of it I watched as opposed to what Dan watched. And we'll see what we come with. I don't know how interactive it is or how wildly different it is, but I think that would be fascinating. But yeah, I think that's what I'm enjoying doing about that is whilst it is, like I said, you know, at heart, it is a review of an episode of Black Mirror. It's really fun taking the element and we're saying
01:00:02
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Okay, if it's technology that is pure fantasy and doesn't exist now, would we want it? How would we deal with it? Can we see an episode and can we see technology that is reflecting what he was doing or what he was showing at the time? So already in a couple of the episodes, actually, well, I say a couple of the episodes, only one's aired at the moment, but there is one coming up where it was the second episode of season one where they were just cycling. Daniel Kaluuya in it. I don't know if you remember that one where he was cycling and they were earning credits by cycling.
01:00:31
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I saw a story from the BBC. Now, bear in mind, series one was 2011, I think, so 12 years ago. A year after a prison in Brazil offered prisoners like a day off their sentence if they would cycle on a bike for eight hours to generate power. And so it kind of trying to look at that sort of thing. So it's not purely just a TV review. I'm looking at to see what fun or what info we can get out of it.
01:00:55
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Yeah, I would greatly take recommendations and I might say to him once we've got through half the series, let's start looking at Inside Number 9. It'll be interesting to see, especially for the later series, because this is something I was saying to you when you were telling me about how you were doing this show. And I was saying how there's like a definite divide between when the show stopped airing on Channel 4 versus when Netflix took it over.
01:01:20
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personally I'm not a big fan of the Americanization for the show but it'll be interesting to see what you guys have to say about it whether the technology in that gets too fanciful because it's a lot bigger I would say in the later series not all of them but there is definitely a shift but I honestly can't wait to hear what you guys have to say about that because it is it's such a big series and there's so much to talk about and as the old saying goes reality is often stranger than fiction at times
01:01:50
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Yeah. I mean, the aim with that is to be, it'll be a bonus episode. So it's airing as a mainstream episode for a couple of weeks, just while I had my break. And then the aim is, as we're recording them, it will be a bonus episode alongside the main one. So maybe on the Wednesday we'll release it. So I'm hoping it's every week, but obviously pod permitting and time permitting, we might skip a week here or there, but yeah. So the aim will be doing a couple of episodes a week.
01:02:16
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a main one bonus but i'm also trying to look at a couple of different ideas for the pod in season four as well so and one i'm gonna get you on for as well i have done an episode ironically it was after i'd had a break another break i came back and wanted an episode quick so i don't know if you remember it but it was actually back in march and it was an episode with the cult worthy where it was the kind of the classic dinner party you've got three celebrities and three courses who would you
01:02:44
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I'm actually now looking to make that regular thing. It might be every month. It might be every six weeks, but I'm like this where you're getting pods on to interview them and find out a bit more. I thought, do you know what? That might be a good way to find out what goes on in people's minds. So I'm going to call it who's coming to dinner and I'll have a guest on.
01:03:02
Speaker
and it won't just be the same question each week, I might tailor it or I'm gonna look to tailor the guests or some of the other questions to more about what the pod that they present is so it won't just be a straight every week, three celebrities living or dead. I won't say anything now because there's a couple of people I haven't had on yet or it hasn't aired yet sorry but yeah it will be a slight twist to match more about what their show is so yeah I'm looking to get you on and I might
01:03:26
Speaker
actually make you part of a double guest. So we'll see. I'm not telling you any more spoilers now, you'll hear more. But yeah, I'm hoping to kind of throw that in to be able to interact more with some other pods and more on a kind of like a personal basis rather than having them come on and talk about a fancy for a funny topic. Again, it is like you're doing now is just trying to promote or get people to kind of express themselves a bit more.
01:03:48
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Honestly, on that note, I think that's the perfect place to leave it off. But Dan, thank you so much for coming on and, yeah, being a fantastic figure in the indie podcasting community. Thank you very much. Cheers for the invite, yeah. But before we wrap up, where can these lovely listeners at home find your content?
01:04:08
Speaker
You can find me on pretty much all podcast platforms, just look for casting views. You'll see the fun cartoon figure of myself talking into a microphone. Yeah, so basically on any podcast platform, just look for that. On social media, just look for casting views again. I'm, well, we've said them all, I'm pretty much on them all, so more active on X.
01:04:30
Speaker
Instagram and occasionally TikTok. But yeah, or you can also get me at castingviewspod at gmail.com. As I've said, you know, I am looking to have more guests on or if you've got ideas, yeah, just drop me a line, drop me a message in any of those platforms and let me know. And I know I've said it before, but genuinely go check out Cast and Views if you haven't already. Absolutely fantastic podcast. Fantastic guests as well. And I'm not just saying that because I've been on twice.
01:04:57
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But yeah, genuinely go check out Dan's podcast because it is absolutely fantastic. That would definitely be my endorsement of the night. Go check it out. Thank you very much. But if you want to listen to more episodes of Chat Tsunami as well as Dan and I's other collaboration where we talked about the game as Dusk Falls, which was a great episode by the way. I loved it, yeah.
01:05:20
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you can check that out on the website chattsunami.com and you can also check us out on allgoodpodcast.com so if you check out spotify itunes wherever you listen to your podcast just look for the red panda under the name chat tsunami and we'll see you there i also want to give a huge shout out to our pandalorian patrons robotic battle toaster and sonja
01:05:43
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