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Fall From Heights with Blackthorn Concepts
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Apologies for the late upload this week!
Recorded this episode with our buddy Keith of Blackthorn Concepts a few weeks ago for just this situation. Too much going on this week to record an episode. Please enjoy!
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Introduction and Sponsorship
00:00:01
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Guest Introduction and Summer in Jersey
00:00:47
Speaker
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to the show. Got a special guest with us today. Yeah. We're joined by our illustrious colleague, Keith Drennan of Blackthorn Concepts. Yeah. I was wondering who the special guest was. Keith introduced the special guest. Somebody else just walks in. How are you? We're doing well. Yeah. We're in this hot,
00:01:15
Speaker
Jersey hot Jersey summer. Yeah. I was driving here today. It was a hundred degrees in my car. Oh geez. Yeah. It's 91 degrees out right now. So this is a, we're recording this on July 12th and it will be released at a, a, uh, unknown time. Yeah. Date because we're just going to, I'm just going to put this one in the bank. Yeah.
00:01:41
Speaker
It'll never be released. It probably won't take long. No. Because given the opportunity, you know, when there's like next week, you know, so.
Kitchen Assemblies and Market Trends
00:01:51
Speaker
We'll be busy next week putting that kitchen together. Yeah. Friday, we have all the cabinet parts showing up for this kitchen. The drawers just came today. We got the doors are shipping on Monday, so they'll probably be here Tuesday shipping from. Was it Bluebell, Pennsylvania, something like that, New Holland?
00:02:08
Speaker
Mm. It's Lancaster. Meridian. Yeah. Yeah. They're in New Holland. New Holland. Yeah. So, you know, that's only a three hour drive. Um, so we'll have those either Monday or Tuesday. So we'll be, uh, also the wall in that kitchen going. Yeah. It's gotta be in by August 1st. Where's this kitchen going? Brick Tucky. Oh, Brick Tucky. Yep. Hasn't to store about a man named Jeff lived in Brick Tucky.
00:02:37
Speaker
That's all I got. Yeah. I don't know any others. Yeah. So that'll be our first kitchen in about, um, the other one was, I think this time of year we delivered August, but just going back two years or three years. Yeah. This will be first of the new breed. Yeah. Yeah. So I've got all the box parts cut, bought all the doors, bought all the drawers. This is what the consumer is demanding. Yeah.
00:03:09
Speaker
Fortunately or unfortunately, we must bend to the will of the consumer. Oh, doing kitchens. You mean just that doing them this way where, you know, we're not building, not really building anything. We're just kind of putting it all together. Oh, the customer asked for you to know it's just, well, the price point drives. Yeah. And their expectations, you know, this is, this is what fills the marketplace. Yeah. Like this to them is, is a great kitchen.
00:03:39
Speaker
The custom kitchen. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because all the sizes are custom. Yeah. Yeah, that's true. But, you know, it's like going to the auto dealership and just picking the color of your car and telling them you want, you know, bucket seats or bench seats. It's that kind of thing. It's not. I mean, not for us. It's not custom. No.
00:04:03
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But hey, we've got to make some money. Not everyone has that Green Street money. No. And this kitchen is not cheap. I'm a box store kitchen myself. Home Depot, IKEA, Lowe's. Yeah, this is easily triple or quadruple, like probably like an IKEA kitchen, the price. Yeah. But, you know, three quarter inch domestic plywood boxes.
00:04:31
Speaker
It's big too. I mean, there's a lot of stuff. Five base inch dovetail drawer boxes, solid three quarter inch hard maple doors. Oh, it's, I mean, it's a nice kitchen. Big kitchen. Yeah. Yeah. It's big. There's two islands. Two islands. Yeah. One's double sided. I got zero. I don't have an island. I don't have an island either. My kitchen's about 10 by 12. My kitchen does have a beautiful bankette though. This is my sink base right here.
00:05:01
Speaker
Oh, that's for your, is that for your kitchen? Yeah. That's, uh, I have two of those. That's for our back wall. And then I got the, um, I think there's two peninsula cabinets in here and two out there. I'm getting there. Yeah. Making strides.
Maker Swap Event and Prize Disparities
00:05:20
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I haven't made any strides in, in some time, but you know, this is what it is. Yeah. Work comes first. Yeah. At least, at least you understand that.
00:05:31
Speaker
Yeah. Like me. I'm building a little toolbox. It's taken me two months already. No time. Somebody's going to put a key chain in and win that toolbox. Some somebody is. Yeah. So that's for make we, uh, I always want to say make what you fear for the maker swap at, at a maker camp. Yeah. I haven't given it any thought. I'm not sure I want to take part. That's understandable. Have not been fortunate. Yeah. Yeah.
00:06:01
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Yeah. I got the box I got was cool from Dave. I don't know. Wait, I don't know what anyone gets. It was Dave Bauer. Yeah. And so box. Yeah. I don't know any. Yeah. I mean, so many things come across the table. Like I don't know what happens. Yeah. There's a big disparity between the prize prizes, but the entries you have like a
00:06:30
Speaker
a key chain that somebody cut on a laser in about 45 seconds. Yeah. Or maybe if it was like a diode laser, maybe it took 20 minutes and then you have like.
00:06:40
Speaker
Oh, I spent like 40 hours to make this hand forged knife. Right. Yeah. Damascus steel. Hand forged Damascus. So it's kind of, you know, you really, it's a really a roll of the dice. Yeah. I'm busy. Right. I'm trying to play it up this year for more skill involved in it, but there's no way to really police it. People show up like
00:07:03
Speaker
The joy of it is whatever skill level people are at, they should be entering at their skill level. And I think some people come in there and just try and play the lottery and put in whatever they can to try and get one of those hand forged knives. Yeah, if I had more free time, I might consider it.
00:07:22
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Yeah. But I'm busy. Then I got to put a lot of thought into it. It's got to fit in a certain size. It's no real size requirement anymore. We get rid of the dining table. You could, but I mean, you know, so it's hard for us to make something. Yeah, to start work, to make something and to make it sort of like at that price point, like what do we, what do you make? I don't know. Yeah. We don't make small. So it's like,
00:07:53
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It's not for everybody. Yeah, I feel like some people feel obligated to like they're like, oh, you're not you're not going to do make what you fear.
00:08:02
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not going to do the maker swap. And then that's when people put in just some random thing because they feel obligated. They're like, oh, I'm going to make camp. I gotta, I gotta, I gotta put something in. Yeah. I'd rather have somebody who either makes some item like hundreds of that item a year. Just bring that item. Yeah. Right. So if you have a kind of a salt box, right? Like a salt box would be perfect. Yeah. If you make thousands of salt boxes a year, putting one of those in would make sense.
00:08:30
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or pens or cutting boards or whatever your skill level is, show it off. Like me, who's a hobbyist. I don't really make anything all the time anyway, so. Going a little above and beyond, but I run it, so I probably should, you know? But like if you do hand carved spoons or you make knives all the time, it may be 20 hours for you to make 10 hours for you to make. And I don't know what it takes to make a knife. But for somebody who makes furniture, it's hard to put in something
00:09:00
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Like what you guys would have to be out of your comfort zone to make something put in there. Yeah. Like the first year I made salad servers, which we don't make stuff like that. I've never made anything like that before. And then last year I, I forged an all and turn the handle like people like that.
00:09:20
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and do that kind of stuff. So it's like, you really got to go outside of the box, which makes it even more difficult. What did I, I don't even remember what I made last year. Um, I know the first year I made like these bookends, like out of blocks of cherry and walnut. I remember those. I think Mike got those. I'm trying to think. I don't know. I don't even remember. Me neither. I don't know what you put in.
00:09:49
Speaker
I mean, you got that key chain, so you made out pretty good. Who doesn't love a good key chain? Do you still have the key chain? No, I don't have the key chain. The first year you got that butter spreader, tanto bladed wooden knife. Yeah. I still got that. That was cool. Yeah. What did I get the first year?
00:10:17
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Remember, first year I got the first year I got, I think that you can hear the Quincy. Yeah. Yeah. The first year I got a marking knife. And then the second year I got nothing.
00:10:32
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Yeah, cuz there was like a something wrong with the number. Yeah, I think somebody came and collected an item that didn't have the right number. Yeah, you get your hopes up to you put your thing in you're like, man, look at that. Like, I thought Rob DeMarco's thing was super cool. And Bill shaped bandsaw box like, man, I hope I get something like that. And then it's like, well, what I got was cool. I wasn't disappointed. But like, you know,
00:10:59
Speaker
You're almost, you know, the ratio of really cool stuff to stuff that's just like kind of mediocre is, you know, you're almost like sending yourself up for disaster. Yeah. If you're hoping for any one thing, your chances are you're not going to get it. Oh yeah.
00:11:14
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There's some wild stuff that comes in, but at the same case, there's also laser cut key chains that come in too. The hammers, the knives, the, um, yeah, there's a lot of cool stuff. Those sculptural metal kind of things. Yeah. There's running for a long time. There you go. Here it goes. Yeah. There's no, um, there are no parameters really for the maker swap.
00:11:42
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No, handmade. Show off your skill. I mean, you're getting paid. You're getting paid, Keith, thousands and thousands of dollars to run this thing. Yeah. I think that you think you think you can come up with something. I didn't know the goodness of my heart commensurate with your salary. Yeah. I think Tony may be collecting the paycheck because I'm not. Well, yeah, we saw what happened to you the first year. The makers talk to. Yeah, let's not talk about that.
00:12:10
Speaker
You guys wanted to get canceled with John Peters. We get into that story. I bet. So all in all, the maker swap in the last couple of years. It's good. It's good. Now I still like running it, but I get what everyone like, like the people's, um,
00:12:32
Speaker
What is it? What's the word I'm looking for, Rob? Apprehension. Yeah. Apprehension is a good one. Yeah. Because there are people that put in tons of effort and there's people that put in zero effort and it like, I feel bad turning people down. Yeah. Like that's not good enough for this. Well, then what is good enough, you know?
00:12:52
Speaker
And then you, what do you start separating them into like, Oh, yours is a level two. You're not in the level threes, you know? So level twos swap with each other and level threes, you know? And then, then you're going to be, you're going to be canceled real quick. Yeah. Who determines what level people are at, you know? Cause the level twos think they're level sixes. Yeah. Yeah. You know, if you want help, I can be that person.
00:13:15
Speaker
I've had a lot, I've gotten a lot of people offered to be that person. I don't have any friends anyway. They're like, wait, I get to tell these people how I feel. Trust me, I'm pretty good at being an asshole. But when you're looking at them dead in the face in some places, they put their hard earned time and effort into and you're like, you're a level one. Or whichever way it goes. We're going to put this with the finger paintings.
00:13:42
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. You're a bottom feeder. You know, I mean, the cool thing is that people enter from all ages and there's kids in there that'll enter and you know, the skill level. Oh yeah. It matches and that's cool. Cause then they can go home with, you know, a master bladesmith item or, I mean, giving a blade to a kid is probably a bad idea, but like a master woodworkers item, you know? Right. No problem if you're a child, you know, and you're given something that's rudimentary.
00:14:10
Speaker
Yeah. But when you're a grown adult who has a predominant social media following and you're putting in, you know, minimal effort made out of a two by four. Yeah. And there are some people who are pretty notable that have entered in the past with next and no talent in their items. And I'm like, I've seen what you can do and this ain't it. Yeah. And as an adult, you know better. I'm not asking for you to put in like, like you guys, I'm not asking you guys to put in a $50,000 kitchen.
00:14:40
Speaker
We can put in the R2-D2 tables. They're just collecting dust. Yeah. That'd be cool. You put in one, I'll put in the other. Yeah. There you go. And their flat pack. But yeah, it's just, it's a tough thing. So you just kind of have to grin and bear it, you know, let people do what they do.
00:15:01
Speaker
Yeah. You just, you know, I don't know if all the listeners know what this thing is, do they? Uh, we've talked about it before. It's, it's maker camp. Yeah. It happens at maker camp and everybody, uh, not everybody, but, uh, most people submit something they've made and, uh, you get a number and return and then it's like pulled out of a fishbowl and you get somebody else's handmade item.
00:15:26
Speaker
Yep. That's it. Simple and to the point, the maker swap, maker item swap, I guess is the better way to, but we just call the maker swap. Yep. Yes. It's good fun. It is cool to see what people can make. I do wish it was like, uh, I mean, we know the first year with the, the,
00:15:47
Speaker
That was the presentation was my Roku TV remote was delivered at my house. Is that a prime day deal? No. Well.
00:15:59
Speaker
So it's funny we're talking about Maker Camp. Maker Camp two years ago I came home. My wife had painted the living room. Yeah. But she didn't do anything like take off the light switch covers or the plate covers to the outlets or take the TV off the wall and paint behind it. So this weekend I
00:16:19
Speaker
I got, it's called a flex box or something from Xfinity. I have one upstairs and I got one for the downstairs. It's basically like a Roku that you just plug in. You get it for free from Xfinity if you have the internet. You plug it into the TV and you get your Netflix and all that stuff.
00:16:35
Speaker
through it. And my idea with hooking that up, because I have a Roku TV anyway, was that the remote for the TV is so destroyed, it's taped together in like six different spots, was that this thing comes with a remote. So I figured out, I'll hook this thing up and we could just use this remote. Well, it turns out that
00:16:56
Speaker
Oh, so I pulled the TV off, paint behind it. I ended up putting the covers so I could chase the wires through the wall, all that stuff. It was like a whole thing. And then come to find out, I still need a Roku remote anyway, because when you turn the TV on, it automatically goes to the, you know, the main Roku screen, not the Flexbox. So I had to order one. That sucks.
00:17:22
Speaker
Yeah, that was a long a long way around for that story. No, it was good. Yeah. But I was saying the first year, like the whole presentation got kind of botched. But I do think it would be cool if if it was actually done that way, where every item was presented and chatted up a little bit. Yeah. I mean, it would add to the whole. I mean, I know it's a lot of time.
00:17:48
Speaker
Right. But what else are we doing up there? Then you really would feel bad about, you know, if they were like, here's this. Yeah. Two inch tall acrylic cut key chain made by John Smith. John, raise your hand and just hear crickets. Wait, wait. Thank you, John. John. Feeler. Feeler.
00:18:15
Speaker
So, yeah, it's like a little bit of a deterrent from putting in something crappy. Yeah. I mean, I would do it that way, but, you know, there's 150 entries or whatever last year to call out 150 names and wait for the person to realize it's their number, stand up, walk up. That's a lot of names and a lot of time for people to wait around. You're talking four hours. Yeah, I was at least thinking, yeah, three minutes per
00:18:41
Speaker
That's 450 minutes. Oh, that's a long, long time or two minutes. Yeah. 300 minutes. So it's almost not feasible to do it that way. You're right. You have to cap the entries. Yeah. Only the elite. You have to, it's going to be invite only. That would be cool. Invitation only.
00:19:04
Speaker
No, none of these orange slices, trophies. What are they called? Participation trophies.
Film Trivia and Music Venues in New Jersey
00:19:14
Speaker
Speaking of Ferris Bueller, did you know that that part was supposed to be played by Anthony Michael Hall?
00:19:20
Speaker
That way. Really? Yeah. Who's Anthony Michael Hall? He's like the goofy kid in all those, um, that gingery kind of kid. Yeah, sort of. Um, yeah. Breakfast club. Yeah. It was in strange, uh, weird science. I don't know if he was in weird science. He was in 16 candles before your time, Jeff.
00:19:45
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Way before my time. Anthony Michael Hall. Yeah. He was the dorky kid in, in breakfast club who actually wrote. Oh yeah. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking of. Yeah. Wasn't he the one of the main characters in weird science? Okay. I don't know. Yeah. I don't remember weird science. I don't think I saw that one. That's the one with like the
00:20:05
Speaker
Kelly LeBrock, some kind of machine or something. I remember her. Yeah. Is that the one with the popcorn too? Don't they have like the popcorn? I don't remember. Is that weird science? It came out four years before I was born, so.
00:20:21
Speaker
What year did that come out? Eighty-five. Eighty-five. Breakfast Club. Sixteen Candles. Weird Science. He was in Edward Scissorhands, which I don't remember. Johnny Be Good. Halloween Kills. National Lampoon's Vacation. Pirates of Silicon Valley. Out of Bounds. Dead in Tombstone. War Machine. Freddy Got Fingered. Hail Caesar the Class. A Gnome Named Norm. I don't know half these movies.
00:20:45
Speaker
I don't know most of them. He was in the dark night. He was in Halloween, 2018. Halloween ends, 2022. All about the Benjamins with Ice Cube and, and, uh, my gifts. Never heard of any of these. Never heard about all about the Benjamins. No, no.
00:21:09
Speaker
This guy's been in a lot of movies. He's famous. I'm surprised he didn't know who he was. Well, anyway, not by name. He was supposed to be Ferris Bueller. Yeah. He was in hysteria. The deaf leopard story. You kid. In 2001. Who'd he play? What's got nine arms? It sucks. He played Mutt Lang. Oh, he played Mutt Lang. Yeah.
00:21:36
Speaker
I only got a 6.6 out of 10. Did you listen to our episode about where we talked about, uh, Burch Hill and Hunkabunka? Probably. I listen to all your episodes. Yeah. I think it might've been last week. You go to any of those shows? No. The Starland I had been to. Yeah. Yeah. That became, that was Hunkabunka. Yeah. I was never there when I was Hunkabunka though. Me neither. I've never been there.
00:22:04
Speaker
When did it switch over to the star line in the nineties, right? Maybe not even trying to type with a rubber band wrapped around my finger. It was a nice trip down memory lane. It was interesting that website you guys found with the, um, all the old shows and stuff. Yeah. The set list and every, they had the, um, the set lists. Yeah.
00:22:35
Speaker
It doesn't say 2,500 person capacity. I didn't realize it was that big. Me either. 2,500? 2003. It became Starlight Ballroom. It was Honka Bunka until 1987 to 2003. Honka Bunka Ballroom. I didn't even know that. It was the Journey Melon from 62 to 82 and Willy's from 82 to 87.
00:23:04
Speaker
I don't think I ever went to bunker. No, I didn't. I only Jersey place I ever knew was a pony. Yeah. Over the wonder bar. Yeah. I wasn't familiar with the wonder bar coming from New York. Um, was Asbury lanes doing shows back then or no? When in the early 2000s? Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know. Yeah. That's what I thought. Oh, and the same. Oh, the same. Yeah. Yeah.
00:23:34
Speaker
I think, didn't the Saint just sell? Yeah, I think it closed and then reopened as something. The rumor I heard was that somebody wanted to... Develop it, right? Yeah, reopen it as sort of like an homage to what it was in the heyday. I've been to a couple of shows at the Saint. They knocked down the Brighton not too long ago. Yeah, I played there.
00:23:59
Speaker
Oh yeah, I went to that show. That was like, remember there was like a torrential downpour. Oh yeah. That was crazy.
00:24:06
Speaker
There used to be a big venue, like, um, not where the headliner is, but like on that Island there, there used to be a venue there. Everyone, it was before my time, but everyone used to talk all the big acts used to go there. That's what, Belmore. Yeah. I think it's still Neptune, but yeah, on your way into Belmore. Um, then they knocked it down when they built that, that Island and made the, um, the townhouse out there. Yeah. I don't know.
00:24:32
Speaker
Yeah, it was before the bridge they built. Yeah. When they had like the old bridge, the drawbridge. Well, when's your band going to play the pony? I don't know. I quit. Oh, really? Yeah. I don't know. He's a solo act now. Yeah. We, we played, um, we played the pony about four or five times. Nice. Um, yeah, they wanted to do, they wanted to do covers.
00:25:03
Speaker
as well as the originals. All right. But that meant playing like these long cover gigs. Yeah. And I'm not down for that. We could play a gig and it's like, well, we're going to play one original song at the end after playing all of these. And, uh, don't forget to, um, the, the dinner specials are the veal asa buco and, and please be kind to your waitress.
00:25:30
Speaker
You know, remember to tip your waitress. Yeah. I don't want to hear like, I don't want to hear silverware clack. And I don't want to play any place where, you know, you got to set up in front of the waitress station. I did that 40 years ago. I'm 61 now. I'm beyond that. Yeah.
00:25:49
Speaker
You want to play where people came to see a band, right? That's it. Oh, we're having, uh, tilapia tonight over at Francesco's and there happens to be a band playing. Can you keep it down a little bit? No. The salad bar is open. Can you turn down the air conditioning? It's golden here. That's, that's not for me. And you know, they thought I was being like a prima donna.
00:26:11
Speaker
Well, I get it. I miss playing music with people, but that's too big of a come down for me. I'm not doing that. Yeah. But I mean, it's easier to get gigs in our area here on along the Jersey shore. Oh yeah. Everybody wants to hear the same 35 songs. Yeah.
00:26:33
Speaker
It's got to be hard as a what was a six piece band towards the end. You're not going to make any money. And they want two guys, two guys with acoustic guitars and bare feet. The other thing is it's pathetic. We're in our 60s. Right. No, but I don't want to see a bunch of 60 year old people up there playing bad versions of cover songs. I don't. Yeah. So if I don't want to see it, who wants to see this? And you're the guy in the band. Yeah.
00:27:01
Speaker
You haven't heard of a little band called vinyl traction. So I have a pretty strong opinion on the topic. Anyway, so one night I just quit. I get it. And they were all just sort of like, really? Yeah. Like, yeah, I, I quit. They're like, Oh, well, we're screwed now. Are they still playing together? I think they are. You know, they, we had just taken on a keyboard player that sings and he was kind of like,
00:27:31
Speaker
I would say that he was like the nail in the coffin for me. Oh, because that'll happen. It was sort of like I could see the way the band was going and it was getting like this guy was kind of cheesy and I don't want to be a part of this. Right, right, right. Let's play sweet Caroline. Yeah. So it's like coming up next. Build me a butter cup. Oh, and then Margaritaville by Jimmy. You guys have a good time. All the success to you.
00:28:01
Speaker
he's born to run but find a guitar player and go do your thing those acts are you know the one guy or two guys with acoustic guitar yeah you could throw a dart into a crowd and and every time yeah one of those guys oh my god because there's little bars all up and down the shore you know just in keen well keens bring out so much but
00:28:25
Speaker
Up and down the shore, there's dozens and dozens of bars and like Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday night, they all have some guy like that playing outside on a stool. And here's the thing I don't understand, right? Like when we were coming up and we turned 21 and we were going to bars when there was bands, right? Yeah. There was still bands on the radio like bands. Yeah. Right. So if it was a cover band, they would play new stuff and old stuff and it mixed in. It wasn't always acoustic.
00:28:54
Speaker
Right. But it made sense. Nowadays, it's all electronica type. Yeah. Imagine dragons. Right. Like you can't do that live. Like what are you going to have? Like a DJ up there with a guy singing like it. Yeah. Or a used to have
00:29:10
Speaker
the bands like a beat the clock they have like the nerds or somebody yeah or uh 90s night actually i was telling you about them you ever seen them 90s night no they play more up this way but they're playing um i don't know if they already i think they might have already played down at the uh there's like a little pavilion down there
00:29:28
Speaker
But they're good. They play all 90s cover songs, but they play them in like sort of like a pop punk cover. That's cool. Yeah. They're, they're good. I mean, they're really good and they're, they're like, you know, they're my age. So like in their early thirties, that's the cutoff. Yeah. You got to be in your thirties. Otherwise I don't want you to see you playing covers. Yeah. I could see that.
00:29:52
Speaker
I mean, I don't mind cover bands here and there. I'm not going to go out to see a cover band. Right. Yeah. It's bad news to, you know, but you were going to the bar anyway for other reasons. Yeah. You know, now if I'm going to go see a band, I want to go to like the pony and sue show, you know? Yeah, exactly. It's somebody you know, or somebody you've heard of. Or if I go to a bar and there happens to be an acoustic guy, I'll listen to him. I like that. But I don't want to see a band up there doing covers when I'm out to dinner.
00:30:19
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, you go out to dinner, there's going to be unexpected music no matter what, whether it's playing out of the speakers or is there some guy? So it's like, you know, as long as they're decent. Yeah. I ran an ad in Craigslist. I said, let me put my, let me just put an ad and put like singing guitarist looking. Yeah.
00:30:39
Speaker
And I put, uh, so that was my title. And then I put, um, something really showing your age, putting it on Craigslist. Well, I mean, I don't know what are the venues. Sure. I'm sure Facebook would do it. Oh, Facebook. Yeah. I don't have Facebook. So I got a couple of responses, but it's all people that want to do an acoustic thing. And I'm like, no, that's not for me, man. Yeah.
00:31:10
Speaker
I have not sunk that low in my life yet. Yet. So you're saying there's a chance you're going to get there. I don't know. I don't think so. And I have this other friend that he also invited me to come down and do that. Like he's got something like that going and I'm like, I didn't know what to say. I can try it out. Maybe you like it. No, so hokey. Yes.
00:31:38
Speaker
Like the false enthusiasm while playing acoustic music, which can be acoustic music can be whatever, but you know what that's good for. You're sitting around in the backyard and you got a fire going and you've had three or four beers and you want to get somebody who doesn't sing
00:32:01
Speaker
Singing born to run or something like that, you know what I mean? Like someone's not in a band. It's like, come on, I'll strum the chords. Right. And and you just it's like a fun. Yeah, it's like a show. Right. Or the music. Right. You know, it's not a performance. Right. It's a show.
00:32:18
Speaker
So there used to be this one guy he did, and it may work for you, I don't know, but he would at home, he would record every instrument for the song, right? And then he would set up the full setup, drums, guitar, keyboard, or whatever. And each song he would move to a different one and the backing
00:32:38
Speaker
music that he played, it was just him. The backing music he would play was something he recorded at home, but for each song he'd moved to another instrument. And he was like a one-man show, but he was the whole band at the same time. He's like Prince out there. Well, that's what I did. I mean, I recorded all the tracks. Yeah. So you could do that and just be a one-man show and not have to deal with people or a Hokie keyboard player.
00:33:02
Speaker
I don't know. I don't miss it that bad. Get a, get a looper pedal. Yeah. Yeah. Those are huge right now. Like the one man looper, looper pedal guy. Yeah. Yeah. I like I said, I'll miss it that that much because you got to let go at a certain point. Yeah. You know, it's like, what is, you can't, you can't be 30 when you're 60.
00:33:29
Speaker
You could try. You can. I question a lot of dreams right now, Rob.
00:33:36
Speaker
Yeah, there's a lot of 31 year olds going, uh oh. I mean, as long as you can keep your dignity doing it, you know, that to me, that's the thing. And everybody's got their own idea of what that is. Like for me, I could feel my dignity slipping away in that scenario. Yeah. And, and, and that was, that's my criteria. It's not, not everybody's criteria. Right.
00:34:04
Speaker
So, um, it'll happen. Uh, I don't know. What we gotta do is get
Music Distribution Challenges
00:34:10
Speaker
you off a band camp and put you onto Amazon. Oh yeah. And iTunes. So we can actually listen to your music without being on a website. Oh, Oh, you can, um, I can, I can just send it to you. Yeah.
00:34:22
Speaker
Nobody does that anymore. Yeah. Cause then it's gotta be like on your phone and some sort of, uh, I don't even know how to put music on my phone either. I wouldn't know how to play a song through my phone. Just like a file. What does it have to be on like Spotify or something like that? Spotify, Amazon. All right. I'll, I'll do that. Yeah. I think you can just like self publish, upload it. Like, yeah.
00:34:42
Speaker
It's probably like a podcast where you go, you have like a host and then it'll distribute out to whatever. Yeah. That's all do. Um, and do, you could do like live streams, play music live on a live stream. Oh yeah. Get a Facebook live stream. That's too much effort. Hey, just put your phone on a tripod. Just put your phone up and go for it. No, you had something like this. You could stream the audio. You get like high quality audio.
00:35:08
Speaker
Well, you know what you could do if you do a live stream? You could do covers. People would love it. Yeah. You know what song I've been dying to do? American Girl by Tom Petty. Oh, yeah. She was an American girl. But a full acoustic version. Yeah. He's rolling in his grave with a ukulele. And when he does that like, you could like slap the acoustic guitar. Yeah. Oh, God.
00:35:37
Speaker
Oh, I hate that shit. That slappy acoustic guitar thing. Yeah. Like, listen, that was cool in like 2006 when the first guy did it. Yeah. But now we're like 20, 17 years into the acoustic guitar slapping. It's over with. Right. Find something new. You get you got to wear your flat brimmed hat while you're slapping your guitar.
00:36:01
Speaker
No, I think it's transformed out of that. Did I send you that reel about the flat brim hat? Yes. You're 30. You got to put down the flat brim hat. Yeah. You look like an asshole. Oh, I've seen that. Oh, I love that reel. The one where he says, I don't like it, but you got to wear the dad cap. Yeah. Yeah. This is like the in-between dad hat.
00:36:23
Speaker
I never understood the flat brim. Me neither. Like just makes me think that you drink monster energy drinks all the time.
00:36:34
Speaker
Yeah. I think that's a prerequisite. I think they give away those hats with a case of monster. Yeah. Your name is Kyle, isn't it? The flat brim that goes over the ears. Oh yeah. What is that? I don't know. I never understood that. I always figured I was out of touch with fashion, which I usually was anyway, like by like two sizes too small. So it fits over your ears or too big. I mean, I've always been like the dad hat style baseball cap.
00:37:02
Speaker
Yeah. I like the low slung hat. Yeah. I'm more of the news boy cap though. I've been wearing one of those. I have those. Yeah. For a long time. I have the pub hat, not a news boy at least the pub hats.
00:37:14
Speaker
What's the pub hat? Is that like a closer fitting version? Yeah. Yeah. I think I like an Irish guy's hat. Okay. Like a kangol hat. Exactly. Yeah. Kangols. And, uh, yeah, I was wearing them and then all the hips three people started working on them. People were like, Oh, I hate that. You're a hipster with like a handlebar mustache. Yeah. I'm like, uh, put this down for a few years until this ad runs out. Do you have any IPAs on tap? Yeah.
00:37:40
Speaker
That was like in back in 1986, I came back to New York. And so that was back when holes in your jeans became fashionable for the first time. And my cousins were like, oh, wow, you got all these great pants. It's like, yeah, I'm poor. I've been wearing these for five, 10 years.
00:38:08
Speaker
These are my only two pairs of pants. Yeah. It's funny. You said I'm wearing these pants today. Like these, like, uh, I don't know what you call this style pants, but my jeans were all ripped and I had to go meet with clients today. I was like, I can't wear these.
00:38:26
Speaker
Oh man. I want to know what I wanted to ask
Fun Events and Go-Kart Highlights
00:38:28
Speaker
you about. Speaking of, uh, peripherally related to maker camp is the, uh, the go car event up in the same area. Cause you brought the CT up there. Yeah. I brought the CT 70. It was fun. Yeah. Yeah. I highly recommend coming next year.
00:38:43
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, it was hot. Yeah. Too hot for me. I'm not good in the heat, but it was a lot of fun. We left it like when it got real crowded and it was real hot and like there was no wind going. So I left them whenever the Blackthorn for beer, you know, how far from the Blackthorn is it? Oh,
00:39:04
Speaker
Two minutes. Oh, yeah. What do you go past the Blackthorn? Yeah, go past the Blackthorn. It's up on your right. I think I remember seeing signs for go carts. Yeah, it's not like an operating. No, no, he opens it up for this one day a year. You'd think that he would like, you know, maybe like reopen it. I would assume that the juice ain't worth the squeeze. There must be some sort of liability insurance and stuff like that. They got like a water park and shit up there. There's got to be tourists who could
00:39:32
Speaker
Yeah, maybe, but maybe the liability outshines. He was a little irresponsible to be owning a business and not having it open. He bought it for the building personally. He uses the building. So I don't know what's in that building, but that's why he bought it. But you know, it's a lot of fun. People come up with like, um, handmade go-karts or bought a go-kart and fixed it up. Did you have to sign a release?
00:39:58
Speaker
No, but rumor is you're going to have to next year. Um, yeah, it's like everything that more, more people start showing up. And then, yeah, I expected like 20 people to show up total and maybe five carts. And that was like, I'd say if not a hundred, close to a hundred people. Wow.
00:40:19
Speaker
a lot of vehicles that people had brought. Like I walked around and counted, but like there's a building in like in the middle, right? The parking lot is on one side and there's two sides you can enter the track on either side of the building. And then there's like pit row is on the opposite. So there's no real way to look everywhere. Like people still had their things in their car or went or took their go-cart out to their car to get water or something.
00:40:45
Speaker
So there was no real way to count, but I counted, I don't know, over 30. Yeah. I may have counted a couple twice by walking around or something. So not everything was really operational either. I'd like to build a go-kart. Me too. Who, any, any go-karts impress you? Um, yeah. Who had the fastest go-kart? That's what I want to know. This guy art Clements. Um, he runs Clements small engine on
00:41:13
Speaker
Oh, okay. I saw him tagged. Yeah. He's like the, I don't know, like the main guy for this go-kart event. What kind of motor was he using? He had two motors on his. Oh shit. One for each back wheel. Yeah. And it was pretty impressive. I'm telling you, I want to find a wrecked Hayabusa.
00:41:35
Speaker
put that 1300 cc or whatever it is motor back there. You could. I mean, just like a 650 single is probably like be out of control fast. I want to not never hook up. Like I just want the tires to spin until they explode. So before you spend that kind of money for this event, if you are going to build one, which I highly recommend this track is tiny.
00:41:58
Speaker
I, uh, the CT 70, I put it in one gear and just in second gear and I couldn't even wind it up before I had a break for a turn. Like it's tiny. So you can do a 600 CC Hayabusa and, and, and go right through the tires and into the woods if you want.
00:42:16
Speaker
It sounds like fun too. You're going to need a good helmet. Yeah, I got one for you. Do people wear helmets? You have to. Yeah. Yeah. At one point when we, when we had left, somebody had rolled theirs. Really? Luckily they were wearing a helmet. Yeah.
00:42:34
Speaker
There was this pair of guys and I didn't meet them. I don't know, but they had like two, I want to say identical, but they weren't, but like two of the same. Similar. Yeah. And those guys, when they got out there, they were racing each other and they were drifting into corners and they were going. Did they have like Briggs and Stratton motors in there? Pretty much everyone has a Briggs and Stratton motor. Yeah. That predator is like, that's like the go-to. I used to watch on YouTube a two guys, I forget the name of it. And they would
00:43:05
Speaker
I don't even know how I got onto this channel, but they would like build go-karts and they would build these crazy. It was really cool. Yeah. And they had like a track, a dirt track. Like if you go to Harbor Freight, there is a racing predator motor that you buy and they have racing kits and all different stuff. You go on YouTube and there's different ways to port and yeah, I think they're like 15 horsepower or something. Wow. Yeah. Pretty nuts.
00:43:30
Speaker
Yeah, tuned exhaust. Yeah. I want to build a cycle cart. That's what I want to do. What's that? I've been talking about it for a few years. So what is that? Chris sent that video. So a cycle cart is you take the motorcycle engine, like you like what you're saying, and you use like the taller motorcycle wheels or like it basically hearkens back to like the old school race cars are like the 20.
00:43:52
Speaker
Yeah. Remind me like the roadster that Chris has. Right. Right. Yeah. You build it around that and it has like the big wire wheel, um, uh, tires on it from rims. Um, and it's built, some people are building them now with the predator motors. Cause I mean, what else do you need? You know, for a hundred and $30, you get a pretty fast car and if it blows up, you pay another 130 bucks and drop it right in.
00:44:20
Speaker
But it's just a cool shape. It gives that 1920s car look. You can make it out of wood, too. You can make it out of wood, metal fiberglass. I want to build one. So I want to buy a cart so I have all the components and then just build the body around it. Right. So you can guess the chassis. Yeah. Yeah. I want to buy the chassis.
00:44:39
Speaker
The chat that that would be the thing to do that would sort of like make it fun and and accessible. You buy the chassis and so you have a rolling chassis and then you just sort of kid it out. We got a big welder right over there. Yeah, I don't know enough about the geometry of our go kart. You know, my problem is I want to build it and I want to do it. You saw like the ones they have. I have it in my head when I want to build and it's a little different than the ones you saw. But
00:45:08
Speaker
Where am I going to ride it around my house? You got a big yard. Yeah. I have one acre. It's not that big.
00:45:16
Speaker
So what am I going to do with it for the rest of the year? Like one day a year, like it's like, yeah. Throw a tarp over it in the garage and stub your toe on it when you're trying to worry. Yeah. Right. And then it's just going to be a hindrance for me. Yeah. But I do want to build it because I think it'd be fun. And I honestly think if I had a chassis, I could do it in two weekends, maybe, you know, it wouldn't be nice, but it would look cool. What's it take to get it street legal?
00:45:43
Speaker
A lot more than blinkers. You probably need a windscreen. Yeah. Well, I don't know. They got some of those things that those three wheelers and some people drive around that don't have. Yeah. I wonder. Just do what it did to make it a pedal car. I was going to say motor in. That's what I was thinking. Whatever happened to Ed's pedal car. I haven't seen any. Did it move in the move? I don't know if it made the move or not. Oh, wow.
00:46:11
Speaker
Uh, I never saw it like in operation. Yeah. He did a reel or two about it. And then he, he took it apart for the move. And I don't know what happened with that after that would have been cool up at the track now.
00:46:24
Speaker
I just got an email from Jill over at RT. Yeah. They officially did a podcast. They did. Well, congratulations to them. I think she said they released it. I'll have to, now you got to go out there and record with them. Just uploaded our first podcast. That's those guys, right? Yeah. Yeah. And you're going to go to falling water when you get out there. I'd love to go to fall in water one day. I don't know if they say it's real far from there. That was the thing I asked. It's, it's not as close as
00:46:51
Speaker
Is that they're near like Harrisburg. Harrisburg's a day trip. Falling water is not. Yeah. That's like almost Ohio. Come back. Yeah. You've been there. No, I want to. I was going to tag along if you remember falling water. Yeah. Cause there's, there's actually another, it's knob something or something knob, which is another Frank Lloyd Wright site that you could kind of piggyback onto if you go out to falling water.
00:47:20
Speaker
The other thing about falling water I've heard is the, you know, it takes so long to get there because the roads are small. Like you get to a certain point where you're taking all these back roads. When I was in college, the Dean of my like school that I was in the school engineering, he was a big Frank Lloyd Wright guy. We had a study. Everything was Frank Lloyd Wright. He held them on this high pedestal and you know, I was a 20 year old. You're like, screw you. You know, he took a trip out there. I was like, I'm like,
00:47:47
Speaker
I got to go to work. You know, I'm not one of these rich kids. And, uh, now I wish that I had taken all that Frank Lloyd Wright stuff in and like kind of grabbed hold of it now that I know more about him. I'm like, yeah, he's got some cool stuff. I mean, there was a, like a lot of his stuff has failed. Yeah, but it was pushing the boundaries. Yeah. That was the thing he didn't care. You know, it was like, I got the ideas, you know, if, if material science can't keep up with me, you know, that's, yeah, that's not my fault.
00:48:16
Speaker
His concrete stuff is cool. But I think they've kind of rehabbed falling water in particular. Yeah. It was closed for a couple of years. Yeah. It's a museum though, right? I think so. Yeah. You take tours. It was a private residence for a while. Yeah. Now you book tours and walk through Nakashima too. Still haven't gone to Nakashima. Yeah. Yeah. It was just a gamble house. Oh yeah. Green and green gamble house. Wow.
00:48:45
Speaker
Where is that? Colorado? No. Um, I thought it was in the Midwest. I don't know. Frank Lloyd Wright's got a lot of stuff in, in, uh, Oak park suburbs of Chicago too.
Craftsmanship in Modern Architecture
00:49:00
Speaker
Oh, wait. No. When I lived in Chicago, I probably should have went to him, but I didn't. It isn't Pasadena. Yeah. Which one? The green and greenhouse. Yeah. I mean, look at those doors. Whoa.
00:49:16
Speaker
Like who, like the, the billionaires today are the multimillionaires, right? Who's building their, their houses now? Like who do we not know about? Are they famous? Are they just cookie cutter? Like are the billionaires not hiring people like that? Is that just the lost art? That's just throw up a cookie cutter house and it's gadgets.
00:49:38
Speaker
Now it's not craftsmanship to that degree. It's, it's a house that's got gadgets. But there's gotta be some millionaire out there, right? Or billionaire who says, I want, I want to hire these craftsmen to work on my house for the next five or six years. Yeah. There's gotta be somebody. I mean, they have that kind of money. They do, but they don't have that kind of patience and they don't have that kind of taste. Well, the taste thing. Yeah. Um,
00:50:08
Speaker
I haven't, if there is somebody even wanting a house like that, I haven't heard of it. Well, I want to know, is there somebody out there who can do that now? Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Why not? I don't know. I think, uh, most architects now just do the structure and then interior designer. There's somebody who can design it.
00:50:30
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Like design like a full green and green house or the building and all the furnishings inside, right? They went right down decorations, decorations, everything Frank Lloyd, right? Same way. And there's the other guy. Um,
00:50:46
Speaker
whatever, but they did everything now. That's like, it's not done that way. Like there's gotta be somebody out there doing that for somebody. Yeah. And we just don't know about it. And it's going to come up 20 years from now that they died. And oh, look at all the houses they did for someone. So you're like, Oh, that person had that house. He didn't even know, you know, like they're working through that, that that upper echelon of people. Yeah. But I wonder if it may not be happening. I don't mean the last guy I know of that was doing like,
00:51:18
Speaker
I could say weird stuff was like Guggenheim. And when was that? That was a long time ago. Yeah. I mean, decades. Yeah. I mean, like now, is there somebody now? Well, I think it's such a, um, not undesirable isn't the word, but it's such, yeah, that
00:51:40
Speaker
People just don't know like there's definitely people out there who are doing these full design builds, architects or whatever. But nobody cares. So that's why I don't know because nobody's talking about it.
00:51:52
Speaker
Yeah. It's a throwaway culture nowadays too. I don't know if there's anybody who's doing like original designs like Frank Lloyd Wright was doing and the, and the greens were doing, they're sort of using already established motifs in these, you know, sprawling estates.
00:52:14
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's like everything, everything's been done. Even when those guys were doing it, it had all been done. You know, the grades were taken Asian style stuff, right? And putting it in front of people who had never seen it before. It's like George Nakashima. He was, no, not George. Um, who's the other guy? Maloof. He's like, I'm not a good woodworker. I'm just a good advertiser. Yeah. He was rubbing elbows with a lot of, a lot of, um,
00:52:43
Speaker
Socialites. Yeah. And he, I mean, he hired photographers and he knew they worked at magazines. Like he, he went about it. Like I'm going to weasel my way in. Wasn't that he was making the coolest stuff, but he was more like an Andy Warhol than a, correct. Yeah. Then a Nakashima Nakashima was, you know,
00:53:05
Speaker
friends with a lot of people like that too, though. I mean, you have to be if if you want to sell art furniture, you have to be friends with other artists and people who buy buy that kind of stuff. Yeah, it's you got to have an in. You probably experienced this, too, working in in, you know, where you did in the food business. Like when I worked out in San Francisco at this caterer.
00:53:30
Speaker
When I started there, you know, we were sort of like one of a handful of caterers who did some stuff, you know, some high level stuff. But then you do one or two events and you become the sort of like the it thing, you know? And so it's like.
00:53:49
Speaker
Oh, the San Francisco Opera is having a gala. Well, let's go to the higher. Well, not me, but the company. Yeah, exactly. So that's how I, you know, was exposed to all that stuff. I just happened to be there at the time when, you know, the blue haired ladies who lunch.
00:54:08
Speaker
Yep. Picked that caterer. I'm sure it's the same thing with what you guys do in your furniture stuff too. You know, you get in with a couple groups of people and then repeat customers and word of mouth. It's the same for everything. You know, the circle is pretty small. It's not, you know,
00:54:28
Speaker
for what you guys do. Yeah. I mean, not to say that the market isn't large, but like the people that we do work for, typically when a new client contacts us, they're connected somehow to somebody else. You know what I mean? It's not like a totally random event. A couple of degrees of separation. That's how my day job is. There's like, I don't know. I've been doing this thing for 20 years and it's the same 50 people I run into every day in my industry, you know? Oh, you're at such and such a company. You used to be here, here and here, you know?
00:54:57
Speaker
Yeah. It's the same people. Just the names change, you know, company names change. Yeah. Yeah. What's the deal with consumer cellular? We mean the fourth largest, uh, no, that's us cellular. Like I see their commercials now and they say they've got all this great coverage and it's super cheap. And is it true? Yeah. They're the fourth largest carrier in America.
00:55:23
Speaker
Who's the largest isn't T-Mobile? Probably. Yeah. Cause T-Mobile has bought Sprint Metro boost. Yeah. They don't own boost. They host boost. We got a boost and a T-Mobile. It's not T-Mobile, but it's something T-Mobile.
00:55:44
Speaker
in Keensburg. There's a Boost Mobile place right up here. Metro by T-Mobile? Yeah, that's what it is. Metro PCS. So Metro used to be Metro PCS. Now it's Metro by T-Mobile. Only the good cell phone stores in Keensburg. You need a burner account? Yeah. Yeah. That's what they're known for. Like Boost is all burner phones. But that's what we'll be getting a cricket wireless.
00:56:06
Speaker
No, you won't, not where you're at. But yeah, US Cellular, I mean, it's real, but I don't know how their network is done. We don't do any of that work. Supposedly they have their own network, but I'm pretty sure they're piggyback off Verizon. That's what I thought they were piggybacking. Yeah, like a boost piggybacks off of T-Mobile. Okay.
00:56:33
Speaker
Because they sort of tout that in their commercial. What? That they've got the same coverage and they're cheaper because they don't actually own the... Yeah. Yeah. But when you have... They don't own the towers. When I have Verizon and you have consumer, isn't the Verizon person getting priority on the network or no?
00:56:52
Speaker
I don't think that's legal. Huh. Cause I have Verizon. Do they lease them like a certain amount of, I don't know if it's called bandwidth. It is called bandwidth. Yeah. Do they lease some X amount of bandwidth? Yeah. So like on a site and I'm, I'm not too privy on the U S cellular and Verizon situation, but like there used to be a network called first net and it was, uh, for first responders. Okay. And that ran on, um, AT&T's network.
00:57:22
Speaker
And so every antenna structure may have up to four antennas. So they just removed one of their antennas and put up a first net antenna. So that antenna had the same coverage at all the same sites, but it was linked to first net. So only that antenna could go out for the first responders. I don't know if Verizon does that for a US cellular, if one of their antennas in an array is just for that.
00:57:47
Speaker
Uh, probably not. I don't know. Um, I don't get into the RF side. I'm more on the structural side, but, um, I mean, a lot of the antennas are the different frequencies. So say you have like your two dot five, your eight 50, whatever, you know, that's a different frequency per antenna. Like if Verizon owns all these things at one point, it has to be sort of against their interests, their self preservation to lease out too much of their stuff. Isn't it?
00:58:17
Speaker
I mean, I don't know. I don't understand the business model.
00:58:24
Speaker
it's really how many calls are each tower going to take, you know? So if us cellular is only a 2% of the populations got us cellular 2% of Verizon traffic, who cares? I'm getting paid by us cellular when if they didn't have us cellular, they're going to go to team mobile. And that's my direct competitor. At least I can collect a portion of that 2% money. So not really like the boost mobile. I mean that it's a different market, you know, like somebody,
00:58:55
Speaker
somebody like me who wants the phone with all the features, I'm going to go on a known carrier. I'm not going to get a US cellular. I'm not going to get a boost mobile, right? I want my phone to work when I need it to work for work. So it's different, you know, it's a different clientele. So they're still getting a portion of that money. And depending on how they structure their lease with that company, they may just be getting a flat rate regardless of what US cellular makes.
00:59:23
Speaker
So when's a 5G going to take over and kill us all? Hold on. Let me check my countdown. I have that countdown here.
5G Technology and Data Transfer
00:59:32
Speaker
30 seconds from now. Yeah. Yeah. T minus four days and three. We don't know when this is coming out. So I can't tell you the exact time. 6G. Yeah, there's no 6G. The 5G's will warm up when the 6G hits. Yeah. 5G has got some issues.
00:59:52
Speaker
Yeah. It makes sense. New newer technology. Well, it's the, um, you don't have to get into it. You want to give out the secrets of the deadly 5g. Oh, not deadly. It's just, uh, did you get your vaccine? My self-reception has been great since that booster shot. Yeah. If you didn't get your booster shot, that's that's the one that makes it all work. That's why your cell phone's been acting up my black rock booster. Yeah.
01:00:22
Speaker
Yeah, no, it's a, I don't know, 5g is weird. Then they have this thing called 5g millimeter wave, which is lightning fast, like ridiculously fast, but you'd pretty much have to be line of sight to the antenna and it'll move gigs in a second. But aren't they like, they're starting to put like, I don't know what they would be called like boosters on like telephone poles or something called small cells. Yeah. Yep. It's like a little jumper. It'll jump it back to the tower.
01:00:51
Speaker
Yeah. I mean, they've been trying to do that for years since I started in the industry. These little like boxes, they have like these little antennas and they're like, Oh, we could put one on every telephone pole and they all link back to one hub. They've been trying to do it for years. It's, it's.
01:01:06
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It's almost impossible to do it. So now they have these small cell networks, which are smaller. I mean, they're bigger than those antennas, but they're smaller than what you see on a tower. Yeah. Cause those things are frigging huge towers. Yeah. And they're putting those up pretty much everywhere now. And that's what's going to carry it.
01:01:25
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Moving forward. What's like the height that like one of those towers needs to be like, where do the antennas need to be off of like the ground? That depends on. Like in a city, I'm guessing it's got to be higher. No, not always. Sometimes they want to be around 60 feet.
01:01:41
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Oh wow. Yeah. Yeah. A lot of the towers are like the monopoles that you see are like 120 to the top. And I mean, it depends on the, uh, the topographical area that you're in, obviously as to how high they want to be.
01:01:56
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But it's not like a radio wave where they want to be at the top to spread it as far because they need to be at a certain height where your phone can transmit back to it too. So if you go too high, it's not that good. Right. So in New York, we do what's called vertical layering. So we turn the antennas on their side and point them up skyscrapers just to get those. So the people in the skyscraper, it can go down. It goes down. Oh, wow. Yeah.
01:02:25
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How much do you get for leasing your property to one of those big, tall things? Not as much as you think. Yeah. Cause maybe I put one in my backyard. Yeah. You have to get a variance. Remember when we tried to get a shed? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So years ago, they used to be, um, that's funny. They're like, yeah, 30 feet from the back and 15 from the sides. Like, okay, that's inside the house. Yeah.
01:02:53
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Years ago, it used to be a profitable venture to have one around now. It could just be a nuisance for you for what they're paying. I see. Jeff, that was funny. But most towns in Jersey now, they require the first, like we call them rings, right? So one search rings. So if you want to put up a tower in Keensburg, they'll put up a search ring. Like, all right, this is the area of population we want to cover.
01:03:21
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and you go out and you try and find the candidates. Well, the zoning laws in Keensburg may say you have to first try all public property first. So they get the lease rights. So whether it's a water tower or behind the police station, they want to put up a monopole, something like that. So the variance says it has to be on public property first. So they get the. They get the juice. I think that Middletown town hall might have one. Yeah, they probably do over on 35.
01:03:51
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So for it to be on, on private property now is pretty rare in, in, in New Jersey. So, um, but even then like,
01:04:02
Speaker
So that means they're going to lower taxes when they get money. Yeah. It's not much money. I'll tell you that. I mean, I mean, it is providing to not be so cynical. It is providing a service to the people that live in the town. You know, we all need cell phone coverage. So if Middletown said, yeah, we're going to put a cell phone tower in the corner of the park over there. Yeah. Fucking build it. Yeah. Yeah. Who cares, right?
01:04:24
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Yeah, I don't care. I'm looking at stupid bullshit over there anyway. I cared seeing a tower over there. We don't have water views. Yeah, no. Jeff and I both live on pretty good sized roads. Yeah.
01:04:43
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On some of those towers, there's some big antennas up there. They don't look big to you, but they're like eight foot tall. Yeah. Like they're big, you know, the one that's kind of like behind food town, Atlantic islands. You know what I'm talking about? That one seems like it's like 400 feet tall or something. I don't know. Maybe it's not cell phone, but.
01:04:59
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Yeah. I mean, maybe it is. Who knows? Yeah. I mean, it's super tough. Maybe they're shooting out into the water, you know, for all the fishing boats and stuff. Yeah. Or maybe, yeah, maybe mid, mid height. They got some cell phone stuff at the top. It's radios or something. It could be radio. It could be point to points too. So like,
01:05:18
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Let's say you're like, have you ever been driving up like to maker camp and you look off at the mountain and there's just a cell phone tower way up on that mountain? Well, all cell phone towers are connected to the grid. It's not like they transmit from tower to tower, right? They're all fiber connected around. Really? I didn't know that. Yeah, it's all a grid. Yeah. The fiber network is still just as important as the wireless is. So, so the wireless just gets it from the tower to your phone or computer or whatever you have, you know,
01:05:47
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But on top of that mountain that they may not want to trudge up fiber all the way up there, they can't. So what they'll do is a point to point microwave shot and they'll send all the info to another tower from a microwave. But 90 percent of the towers are connected to the grid and not.
01:06:06
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Hardwired. Yeah, they're hardwired to the grid. It's like Wi-Fi in your house. You have your router and you have Wi-Fi, but unless that router was connected to the network itself, then it wouldn't work.
01:06:20
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Right. Yep. Interesting. But microwave shots are interesting. They're point to point. So it's like a microwave beam that fires all the info. And I used to do that for a company where they just would go in and move data around. So we would put up temporary microwaves all over the place and move data. That stuff's got to be line of sight. All line of sight. Interesting. If you're ever on a rooftop and you see a round antenna, don't stand in front of it.
01:06:48
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Yeah. I was going to say, man, people worried about 5g. They didn't even tell us about the microwaves. Yeah. Um, but yeah, like I was doing it for one client. Um, like I worked for like it, like a carrier, right? Like somebody has to have the FCC license to run those microwave frequencies. Right.
01:07:09
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So like one company would kind of host it, but we were moving data for one company and I had to go into New York and then into Jersey and so on and so forth to move this data. And we could only do every other site.
01:07:24
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because they didn't want us to know where it was shooting in case we ever want. So I don't know what it was. They never tell you who it's for. But what they were doing is the building we started in in New York, right? Then we would shoot to another building and then leapfrog it, you know, and over to the next farm that they were going to put it in. So the reason why they did it all on microwaves as opposed to just moving the server farm is they wanted to destroy the servers before they left the building so no one could get the debt.
01:07:54
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This is so they moved it all wirelessly in like three days and then destroyed the service. So like what's the info there? Like who visits Epstein's Island or something? Oh, we're back to this. Here we go. Keith didn't know he was going to get ripped into this. Yeah, that's exactly who hired me. No, no, no. It is, um, I, I, I believe that one was some sort of wall street financial records, financial records situation.
01:08:23
Speaker
Yes. I mean, there's lots of stuff going on out there that we're not privy to. Yeah. But when we were doing that, I guess the majority of the roofs I go on in the five boroughs now are like apartment buildings and not that
Working on Rooftops and Safety Challenges
01:08:36
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fun. But when I was doing that work, I was like up on, you know, you know, the famous skyscrapers and stuff like empire state building and you go up to the top where the observation deck is and you go like another eight stories up. You don't even know what goes up that much higher than what they go up to. And then there's like,
01:08:53
Speaker
Just a bunch of antenna mounts up there for different communication stuff that they have up there. Do you go outside? Yeah. Yeah. Must be windy as hell. Some of them. Yeah. Yeah. That's scary. I don't even like, we go up on the roof or get on the ladder here and we're like 15 feet above the ground and we're like, easy there.
01:09:18
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It's weird. Like most of the roofs I go on have parapets, right? So there's like a wall at the edge of the roof, but some of them don't. And some of them skyscrapers like outside, like along like the big black ones that are around like a central park, they don't have parapets. So it's just a flat walk. And then there's the cliff. If you want to end it, it's easy right now, you know? Like I don't even have any effort when I get to the end of that building.
01:09:45
Speaker
And that's scary, but I just kind of... Do you tie off? Yes, of course. No, I don't tie off. How high are the parapet walls? Like three feet, two feet?
01:09:59
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Sometimes they're like eight inches to three feet, four feet. There's some that are 10 foot. Yeah. You know, um, it depends on the building. It depends on who the architect was. Yeah. Like I don't, I don't, yeah, I don't like the majority of them are about two, eight, two foot, eight inches, but now all new buildings are higher. Yeah. Two foot, eight. So high enough.
01:10:21
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I mean, you know, if I'm just on an apartment building like 10 stories or less, I don't even think about it. It's when you get up to the skyscrapers. But then you're on some and then you're on there and you're on the roof, right? And then there's a ladder going up the parapet or up a penthouse. And I got to get on top of the penthouse or bulkhead, depending on what it is and who you are. And then I have to get up there and then and then they want to mount it on the water tank on top of that penthouse. And then I got to climb up that ladder. And when you start going up there, you start looking down, you're like, this is rough.
01:10:50
Speaker
Yeah, I'd be shitting just worried about falling from the water tower to whatever's below the water tower. Yeah. I feel like the height, like for the building itself, like standing, looking over the edge, there's like a point of diminishing return where it's like, it's not scary anymore because you're at such a ridiculous height. That's like your brain can't even comprehend. Like when you're 40 feet up, you say that come with me to work one day. It's a completely different ball game.
01:11:19
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And the clouds are going by. It's like once you get over, over 30 feet, it's all the same. It's all, there's a definite change in your, especially on a windy day. Oh gosh. Yeah. I mean that wind can blow pretty good, but like most of the ladders, like we can't climb a ladder. I mean,
01:11:43
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are the rules. We're not supposed to climb a ladder. That's a 20 foot unbroken with a landing or 20 foot without a cage.
01:11:50
Speaker
Okay. I don't measure them. Like if it's 21 feet, I'll go. But those things are like straight up to it. So there's like, you know, when you're on an extension ladder, at least it's kicked out at an angle. Yeah. Now they're straight up. Yeah. Yeah. And sometimes like you'll be on your way up and there's a cage at this level. And then you got to get up to this area of the building. And then you got to walk across a roof to another area. And then you get up there and you're like 30% of the way up. And then you're like, well, now there's no cage up there.
01:12:17
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Like, they just stop putting in cages because no one's going to inspect it. And then I'm like, well, I already made it this far. But in some instances, I'm like, no. And most of these ladders have been put on this brick a hundred years ago. Yeah, so you're climbing up and you're like, there's no bolt there, no bolt there.
01:12:38
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One thing I would never do unless I needed to, like in all the movies that you see where people are like, Oh, on the fire escape, you know, I'm gonna go hang out and have a glass of water. No way. I get it. Unless that fire is burning. And I know that there's no way for me to go through. I ain't getting on a fire escape unless I have to. Those things are the most rickety things in the world in the city. When I was a kid that, you know, we, in the summertime, we put a mattress out there and sleep. Yeah. You're nuts.
01:13:04
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That's part of like the, you know, when you don't know any better, like I never heard of anybody like fire escape collapsing. Yeah. I, I've been doing this for like 20 years. And, and back then I used to take a lot more rest than I do. Like now, if I see something sketchy, I'm just like, I'm not doing it. You have to hire a climber for that. I'm not doing it. I don't have any tie off gear or nothing.
01:13:30
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But back in the day, it used to be like, you have to get into this building and get the work done. And when I used to be, I used to be paid per site, right? So if I didn't, like I could drive all the way into the city, find, I can get to the site, spend two hours trying to get in and not get in. So if I don't get in, I don't get paid, so.
01:13:50
Speaker
I make my way into that building, whether it's climbing up that fire escape from that building, doing this, doing that. And what do you do when you get up to the top of where you're going? I measure it, make a design. Okay. Yeah. That was a rare, those instances where you have to kind of finagle your way onto the right roof. But that's the goal is to get a measured drawing of the location. Yeah. Yeah.
01:14:15
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But one of the guys they don't do that with like a helicopter now and just drive by with some kind of Lidar and just scan and was on out.
01:14:23
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. I'd be out of a job. They give Keith $17 a day. I want you to duck tolls and taxes. Don't forget a $4 per diem. So you could probably use that stuff, but like these buildings are old, you know, like over a hundred years old. Plus if they're lower than the rest of the skyline, you know, you can't get a helicopter.
01:14:45
Speaker
Yeah. But I mean, even if you went up to the roof, right? And you took like a light arm machine, you just had somebody put it down and let it scan the roof and walk away. That's not going to get you the cracks in the parapets. And what is the makeup of the wall? What's on the other side of that wall? If there's something under it, is it like, if you're attached into a bulkhead, what's on the inside? Can you even through both? Like there's a lot of stuff.
01:15:07
Speaker
So you got to make sure it's suitable to build on. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty important. Yeah. Yeah. People's lives are at stake. You know, the thing's 60 foot up in the air. Yeah. And you hear your towers collapse. Um, I, there was one that collapsed. Yeah.
01:15:26
Speaker
Um, it wasn't part of us. They built it. Uh, they were in construction and it didn't collapse. It wasn't a tower, but one of my sites, it was in construction and they put everything up and they, it was supposed to be built with kickbacks. So solid. Like there's a mast coming up off the parapet wall and it was supposed to have kickbacks in.
01:15:46
Speaker
But in order to do the kickbacks, they had to get the landlord roofer. And the carrier that wanted to do it said, I need this thing on air tomorrow. And the antenna guys who were installing it were like, we can't, it's not built yet. And they're like the mass are up, put the antennas up. So they put the antennas up without the kickbacks into the roof because the roofer wasn't there. Harken came through and luckily it fell inwards to the roof and not outwards.
01:16:15
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So, a couple of extenuating circumstances. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another example of the corporate elites looking out for the little guy.
01:16:26
Speaker
Yeah, yeah. God bless them all. Thanks, Verizon. Yeah. Verizon, we care. Get up, get up that ladder. That was many years ago. It was just like a preschool playground underneath on the other side. Yeah. Some nuns were having a bake sale on the sidewalk for deaf children. You know, they wouldn't even hear it coming.
01:16:56
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We get a lot of crazy things. Like everyone's like, oh, the engineer always over engineers things and this works. I've done it before, you know, and they do it. And then you're like, well, the structural says that fails, you know? And they're like, well, I've done it before. I've done it on 30 other sites. Well, it looks great, but that's not per code. So tear it out and redo it. And they're like, I'm not doing that. You know, there's the argument back and forth. I can't sign off. Oh, you know, all that crap.
01:17:19
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like the code is written to for it to work. If this goes wrong, this goes wrong, this goes wrong, and this goes wrong. It still will hold. Yeah. Whereas we have five inches of ice on it. Right. A blizzard. You did it that way. And none of these things went wrong. Right. Yeah.
01:17:34
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And we have like this thing with, everyone likes to use Unistrut because it's easy, right? It's got all the holes on it. I don't have to measure nothing. I just go up there, I clamp it to, well, Unistrut for our purposes has to be up against the wall and they don't realize it and they'll span it between two mass. I'm like, it's not structural. You can't do it. Like there's holes, that's not how that works, you know? And they're like, well, I've been using this for years. I'm like, yeah, it's not passing. So.
01:18:00
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my Homer bucket full of Ryobi tools says otherwise. Right, right. It's essentially that. When I tighten this down with my Ryobi impact driver, that's never going to move. That's right. It's kind of like having an airbag in your car. You never want to use it. But if you do hit something, you know, like if, if you do have a hundred mile an hour wind with five inches of ice on that antenna, you're going to want it to stay.
01:18:27
Speaker
Yeah. Oh yeah. A so it doesn't kill somebody and B so you don't have to go up there and rebuild it. Yeah. Yeah. So there's a lot of, a lot of extra put into it, but there's a reason for each extra. Oh yeah. No kidding. I mean, it's not something you want to fool around with. It's like,
01:18:45
Speaker
You know, you don't go buy the cheapest motorcycle helmet you can find. Right. You buy the best one. Is this the best motorcycle helmet made? That's the one for me. Yeah. It's like, I don't know. Did you see that a couple of years ago? I don't know how many, probably 10, 15 years ago at exit 98 on the Parkway, they had that monopole.
01:19:10
Speaker
No, I don't know. So there's a monopole right there at exit 98 and we had one. It looks like a tree. No, this one's red and white. It's a state police pole.
01:19:22
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So they were welding at the base of it, doing a tower mod before they put anything up at the top. So there's all different ways to mod them. And they're modding this one and they have to weld tabs on it. And they were welding it and they lit the steel on fire welding it, you know, with the stick rod and it just burned the inside out. And luckily they were able to get it out, but it didn't, I mean, it didn't fall down because they had built it correctly. But that's one of those use cases where
01:19:50
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if this happens, you don't want it to blow out. Or I mean, it could have fallen right on the Parkway or probably not on the Parkway. It's not that big, but on that off ramp and could have killed who knows how many people. Yeah. Yeah. That one's probably tall. That's kind of tall. Oh man.
Communications Infrastructure and Social Media
01:20:12
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All this stuff's interesting. Cause you know, it's, it's like a peak into a world that you don't, it's a whole different world that you don't know exists really. Everybody, we use these things constantly. I mean, that's doesn't even encapsulate how often we use all this stuff, right? But nobody gives it a second thought. It's like, it keeps me employed. Yeah. Like how, how the information travels, you know, the, the physical infrastructure required.
01:20:41
Speaker
What's crazy to me is the guide towers. You ever see the guide towers? No, what's that? It's a tower that is like a little triangle and it's probably tiny and it goes up, I don't know, 1000 feet, 2000 feet. And then they're guides. So there's guy wires that come off kind of like when you're walking down the street, you see like a telephone pole at the corner and it's got the, it's called a guy wire that comes down and is anchored into the ground. Well, they do that for the towers. If one of those guy wires fails, that thing just crumbles right to the ground. Yeah, I've seen those.
01:21:10
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And they're like, you know, some of them are like 2000 feet in the air and some of them are big enough to have an elevator in it. Right. And, uh, a tower dog who is somebody who can only work on the towers. Some of them won't let you use the elevator because that's maintenance only. Like if they have to change the light at the top, so you still have to climb that.
01:21:31
Speaker
Oh my God. But you can only be on the tower for so long. So some of it is you climb up for four or five hours until you get to the work height. You do the work for 15 minutes and you climb back down. So you get your eight, eight, nine hours in. I saw a thing. It was like something like that. And it was like, yeah, this guy gets paid $40,000 every six months or something to go to the top of this thing and change your life. Yeah.
01:21:56
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2,000 feet. That's crazy. It could be solved with an LED, but that guy's getting paid $40,000 every six months. Then they'd have to go up there and change the socket. Yeah.
01:22:10
Speaker
Well, you have to make sure it's working and all that stuff. There's a lot, a lot more to it than just changing a light bulb. I wonder what kind of swaying is going on up there. Quite a bit, quite a bit. Yeah. Even just on the Hunter footballs, it's playing pretty good amount. Like if you're under them and you, and you look up, you can see them like you guys can never get to the bottom of a pole because they're always in fenced in, but you can see it sway just on a hundred foot one. Oh yeah. On a roof of a house and you can feel the house moving with the wind. Yeah.
01:22:40
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Like at the, you know, on the beach and stuff like that. That's gotta be like terrifying to a normal person.
01:22:45
Speaker
Yeah. Whenever I talk to the tower dogs, they're always like, yeah, once you get to a certain point, you're dead if you fall. So who cares? You know, it's those guys. That's what I'm saying. Right. And, uh, they've got a new career. Yeah. But they're like, anything over 300 foot is when it gets real scary under 300 foot. They don't really get too scared. I'm like, you guys are not. So I'm like, anything over 30 feet, you're dead. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe you could fall 300 feet.
01:23:12
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Yeah, a lot of these guys will use like boom lifts to work. But a lot of the guys that climb, I mean, think about climbing on a day like today, you got to be out there and work, right? So they may climb up and tie off to the pole and then a crane will come in and move the equipment up to them. Sometimes they have to hoist it up by hand if they can't get a crane to the location.
01:23:34
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So then they're up there all day, right? On a hundred degree day like this, you've got to hike up your water with you, right? Maybe the crane operator is nice enough. He'll lift your lunchbox up. But when you're up there, you're up there for eight, nine hours. You're all dizzy. What if you got to pee? You radio down and say, pee off the side. You gotta go. Watch out. Yeah. Hope the wind will just take it, you know, before.
01:23:58
Speaker
or pee in a Snapple bottle and drop it down. So these, so there are instances where you have to climb up like a ladder for six, seven hours to get to where you're going. Me know these guys. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you gotta be in some tall guy wire. That's what I'm going to look at. Like amazing physical condition. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, some of these guys, I'm sure the meth helps, you know,
01:24:27
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The tallest guide structure is the KVLY TV mast in North Dakota, USA at 1,987 feet. There you go. Can you imagine climbing 1,800 feet? No, I get out of breath like doing a weed whacker in the backyard there. What's that equate to? 1,800 feet.
01:24:51
Speaker
What do you mean? Like what else is 1800 foot? Oh, so this is like a list of the tallest structures. The Burj Khalifa, which is the tallest artificial structure in the world is only 2,700. So it's almost as tall as that. Yeah. Can you imagine climbing up that? And they're tiny. They're like, it's just a triangle or structure that you're climbing up one of those guide towers.
01:25:11
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Yeah. Let's see. There may be a ladder on it that you're tied off to, but you still got to climb it. Yeah. The whole thing. And you're wearing all the safety gear and the harness and all the clips, carrying the rope.
01:25:25
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Like there's a lot to what you're doing. It's not easy. This says there are dozens of radio and television broadcasting towers, which measure over 600 meters, about 2000 feet in height. And only the tallest are recorded in publicly available information sources. So they, they don't even, they don't even know the heights of a lot of them. Yeah. Um,
01:25:47
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So this is the, was the, I guess the second tallest in Poland. And yeah, it doesn't look, that's the ladder. So it's like, maybe like, you know, each, each side of the triangle is like, uh, well, no, that ladder looks like maybe 15 feet. If that's the ladder.
01:26:18
Speaker
You're looking at the side of the ladder. That's the cage that goes around it. Right. Isn't that the ladder right there? Maybe. How tall is that one? Um, it's a Warsaw Poland and it is, oh, 2,120.7 feet. And that's a self support tower. But it stood from 74 to 91. No, it's got guidelines right here.
01:26:51
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held the world height record since 1954. Could you imagine having to build that thing? I mean, think about the foundation.
01:27:05
Speaker
Yeah, the foundations are pretty good. But I've heard, I found out on the internet, I'm going to bring it to all the tower guys that dry pouring is the way to go. Yeah. Full steam, full steam designs has come up with a new way to do it. How many millions of views does he have on that now? I don't know. Wasn't it like 21 million? Was it that high or any? I think so. When I looked at it and that was a couple of days ago. Is that the guy that was doing the, he did the little pad out in front of his shed? Yeah.
01:27:36
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I don't have internet here. Let's see. I'll check it. That's what inspired me to get on to get to TikTok. Let's see.
01:27:52
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He's got one right here that's got 23 million. Okay. So that one only has 1.5 million. Actually no 12.7 million of him doing it. Then the one of him jumping on, it's got 1.5 million, but he's got one here. Um, where I think he did a test of dry poor versus mixed 23 million views. Unreal. That's crazy.
01:28:24
Speaker
the power of the internet. I saw it. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I, you know, I don't, you never on Instagram. I go on every day. You know, I like to check my friends, you know, see what's going on. Yeah. I go on often. We've got one cooking right now with 32,000 views and the most I have is 1.7 on Instagram.
01:28:48
Speaker
1.7 million. That's a lot. Yeah. Yeah. We have one on Instagram. I think 1.4. That was the best. That's one. Great. You never know what's going to hit. I did that one. I was making a, this is the coffee scoop. You're like, Oh yeah. I didn't get one, but I like it. I mean, if you look at all the stupid stuff that's popular,
01:29:13
Speaker
It's like, you know, we've put out dozens of reels that are better than than half the junk. That's, you know, it's just whatever the algorithm decides. Yeah. You know, it's like if they see some engagement, they start to feed it to some more people, feed it to some more people over here. And then it's just a self-fulfilling prophecy. Yeah, it's weird. Does Instagram monetize anything anymore? No, not anymore. They got rid of it. They're now asking you for money.
01:29:43
Speaker
Yeah. They want you to be verified. Which I think is dumb. What is that? That's that blue check mark. Check mark next to your name. Oh, I don't think I have one of those. No, you do have to pay 14 bucks a month, 15 bucks a month. Something like that. Why? Because they verify that you are who you say you are and you get like a preferential customer service treatment or something. Why don't they just get the people that aren't verified off. You get customer service.
01:30:13
Speaker
There is no customer service without it. That's true. What was that? Oh yeah. Big Harley guy. There you go. Is it true that a Holly won't stay running? If you don't flip the throttle, it'll stall right out. Not like a CT 70. That thing will power all day. All day.
01:30:42
Speaker
But you want to keep them moving as they're cold. Yeah. You should come next year, ride it around the track. Yeah. I'm going to go back down to your house and ride around your yard again. Anytime you want. Then we'll go swimming at the complex compound. Yeah. Anytime you want. That's for Rob, not for all the listeners.
01:31:08
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Hey, if you guys want to visit Keith at home, his address is 114 Main Street. 164. Thank you very much. Yeah. Um, and we've been on a beautification program these last couple of weeks. It's looking good. Yeah. Um, probably be done Friday. It'll be done before this comes out. Yeah. Well, yeah. Who knows when this come out? Could be next week.
01:31:34
Speaker
I don't know. This'll come out 20, 24, right around the time 5g takes over. Yeah. I thought it was three days from now. It is our buddy Lou from a shore pro painting. Yep.
01:31:49
Speaker
Uh, what are the colors we got going on? We got soft fern for the body of the building and see haze for the, for the accent color on the, on the brick. Yep. Now we got to get you guys a sign made. Yeah. I wanted to look into those corrugated, uh, you know, that corrugated plastic, like, like something like that. This big cheap for now. Now pop it up on the wall.
01:32:14
Speaker
Like a laser key chain, my friend. Listen, that's all we can laser cut key chains all we can afford right now. Let me borrow that laser. I'll just cut out all the pieces. We're working on getting a new laser. Yeah. You in the market for a laser? Sure. He's very amenable.
01:32:36
Speaker
I'm in the market for a lot of things. As long as the price is right. Long as the price is right. Yeah. Yeah. I reached out to several laser brands, only one of which I heard back from. Who's that? Uh, Monport. Never heard of them. Yeah. Either had I, but what about that thunder laser? That seems to be the hot ticket these days. Yeah. They, uh, I don't know. I reached out. I didn't hear nothing. They wanted cash.
01:33:03
Speaker
We're looking for a non cash transaction. No thunder didn't even get back to me. Oh, they didn't eat at the dome tech. Well, you don't want an unresponsive company. Yeah. Even if you are paying or not paying, they're all the same at the end of the day. All these lasers are the same. They all come out of the same factory. I'm sure they'll look the same different sticker on the front.
01:33:27
Speaker
I want a big high wattage tube. That's it. And a big bet. That's all. We're not doing tumblers. We're not doing fast engraving. We need it to go 12 millimeters a second through 10 hours a day and cherry. And that's it. Yeah. Yeah. So when do you get it? Uh, they're, uh, they're supposed to come back with a collaboration proposal.
01:33:57
Speaker
They said that they're definitely not going to be able to cover the whole thing. Yeah. It's like a $9,000 laser. That's fine. I'll give you a hundred dollars for this one. I'll get it out of here today. A hundred? We were only going to ask 75. Well, I want to use the forklift. That thing's heavy.
01:34:19
Speaker
And then, and then I didn't bring my truck. So I got to borrow the Toyota. We've pushed that thing in and out of the van a couple of times on our own. Home tech makes a 70 by 55. That's big. Yeah. This mom port is I think 60 by 40 mom port. Yeah. M O N P O R T. Interesting. Your buddy Jason files them on Instagram.
01:34:44
Speaker
Of course. You got those t-shirts for him. I don't have a bunny Jason laser. It is. Um, yeah. It looks like all the other lasers out there. Yeah. They're all identical. Where is it? What'd they take it off the website? They only had one. Oh, here it is. 64 by 40.
01:35:17
Speaker
Pretty big. They have one that has a chiller built into it, which is cool. Yeah. Cause he's going to need the chiller. Yeah. Yeah. I'm also going to need to rent that space where it's at. We'll just stack it on top of the other laser and a place to sleep. When I tell my wife, I bought a big laser, right?
01:35:44
Speaker
The machine itself is 85 by 59 by 35. 40 by 64. So 40 by 64, I think we can do about 18 boxes at a time. 64 divided by four is 16. And then we got another 10 inches left over on the top. So we can do 18.
01:36:06
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We've been doing three. Yeah. We did three the last time. Three boxes at a clip. Yeah. We did four the first time around. Yeah. That's what I saw. Yeah. A thousand bucks. I was here for that round. We got better smoke extraction with three. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you had the whole bed covered before. So maybe we could do, maybe we'd do 15. Yeah. On the mom or 17. Yeah. I mean, how much you only need one gap for the smoke to go through.
01:36:36
Speaker
Yeah. Or if we had a, you know, a way so that there was a little space between each one or something. That's easy to know if you make a grid. Yeah. And put a piece of MDF in there, cut it out and then just drop them in there. Cause it's nice. You need to have them go right into an exact spot anyway. Yeah. Well, if I did that though, then the MDF would be covered in anyway. Oh yeah.
01:36:58
Speaker
No border. So it's just two tabs. Like it locks in the wooden like that on both sides. Yeah. I can just like laser holes all over it too. Well, you don't need to get between every one. Maybe every other one you have the strip go across. So it holds shape or have the strip go across with holes drilled in it. Now we're talking. See with the Montport laser, you could do anything that your mind imagines.
01:37:28
Speaker
Get yours with affiliate code green street. Yeah. Green street 10 or 10% off your order at mom port, laser.com. Yeah. That's fake news at the moment, but it'll be here saying, yeah, it's just a sample mom port. If you're listening, um, you can have this and more. Oh yeah. Yeah. It comes with a honeycomb and a knife blade. I have a diode laser. I never use it.
01:37:58
Speaker
We never use that thing. I mean, if, if it's one of those things when we need it, we use it, but usually we don't need it. Yeah. Like when we had to do the sink cutouts for those countertops we did recently, I made a template on the laser cause it's the easiest way. I'm going to have you cut me a template. That's fine. Yeah, we can do that. My wife always sends me stuff. She's like, can you do this on the laser? I'm like, yeah. Will I is the question. Wow. I'll come over so I know it gets done.
01:38:28
Speaker
That's how you do it. You just show up with your stuff. I'll sweep. Can you cut this? This has a pass-through also. Pass-through is key on those. Yeah. I mean, you could do it. You could stick a whole sheet of plywood in there. It only weighs 1,036 pounds. That's not bad. No, that's nothing. Yeah. We got a 5,000 pound forklift.
01:38:59
Speaker
I hope you get it. When's the next run? Probably, uh, probably do the pre-sale next month. Yeah. You know, gotta deliver like around Thanksgiving time, Halloween, somewhere between Halloween and Thanksgiving. Right through a maker camp. Good luck kids. Same as last time. Last time it was like, yeah, we're going to finish before maker camp. No way. Nope. I left Manny there. Oh yeah. I forgot about that. Manny didn't help us out. Yeah.
01:39:29
Speaker
What's he been up to? He's taking a new job. Yeah. And he reached out, say hi. Yeah. He got off social media. Yeah. Good for him. Poisonous for your health. Yeah. What can you do? Yeah.
01:39:49
Speaker
Well, we've been going for an hour and 40 minutes. I could talk all day. I don't know about you guys. Yeah. We've squandered another two hours listening to us. Just wait till tomorrow. We got Jacqueline coming on. Who knows how long we will talk. I gotta be home at five 30 tomorrow. Just so you know. Be a long one. If we go that late, I got guests for dinner.
01:40:12
Speaker
Sometimes she'd come in. Is it the band? Yeah. The band's coming over. You want to know something? Now I haven't heard from one person since I left. I knew Dave like 10 years. But have you reached out and said, Hey guys, how you doing? No, they're probably saying, can you believe Rob's just still hasn't said hello.
01:40:37
Speaker
But they're still together. So what's the protocol? They're still together. I left. Should.
01:40:44
Speaker
Would, would I be the one to reach out and justice for the friendly? Hello? I think so. Oh, you do. Yeah. If you cut it off, then they would be on you. It is on me. Yeah. Cause you're the one who left. They didn't push. If they pushed you out, it'd be up to them to reach out to you. But since you left, it's up to you to open up. See how not in touch with social protocols. I am. Well, I mean, if you're asking me personally, I would just be like, I'm out. And then, and then, and just move on.
01:41:14
Speaker
No clue. And then if I happened to cross their cover band at the next bar I went to, then yeah, I would heckle them. I would heckle them. American girl, play American Caroline. Yeah. Buttercup. Wait till you do karaoke at maker cam this year. Oh, God. Yeah. I didn't partake this past year. No. At the brunt. Karaoke maker's happy hour. Is that when they do karaoke? No, I guess not. I think it's the night before.
01:41:45
Speaker
Are we going to go up early and have like a nice big dinner or something like that? As we were talking about. Yeah. And doing like a over open fire. Yeah. Is this breakfast sandwich competition happening? That's what I hear. Um, am I the only person entering? That's what I hear now. I don't know. I don't know. There better be a trophy. That's all I'm saying.
01:42:08
Speaker
I know Jake was talking about entering metal shift customs. Ed was talking a big game, but I don't know. Yeah. I don't know if he, Chad has his whole alfalfa sprout game. That's what he says.
01:42:24
Speaker
Didn't he say that last year? He says a lot of things. Chatty, daddy, chatty, daddy. You can call it. I don't want to drag this on any longer than I have to. All right, fine. I mean, it sounded like you were going to call it and then I started talking about the band again. I'll keep going. I don't care. It always takes us 20 minutes to sign off. Yeah. Yeah. So we don't know when you're going to be listening to this. Um,
01:42:53
Speaker
Yeah. Thanks for listening. It'll be sometime this summer. Yeah. I mean, it could even be next week for all we know. Probably. All right. Thanks for tuning in. Take care everybody. Thanks for having me on guys. All right, Keith. As always, Rob and I, thank you for tuning in and we'll see you next week. If you want to help support the podcast, you can leave us a review on Apple podcasts. Again, we appreciate your support. Thanks for tuning in.
01:43:36
Speaker
Hey.