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Speaker: Is it showing anything on your side, like reconnecting or anything like that? And that's to Chris McGrew. Right. Take your time. You don't want to just jump into an answer here. Chris, is this the type of Internet connection your work from home job has approved?
Speaker: And again, take your time. Right. Don't just, you know, don't just say what comes to mind, actually. Well, did we ever? Well, no, I have heard. I've heard mumblings from Chris in the Zencaster audio, but I've never heard him say anything. What do you think, Chris? Oh.
Speaker: Yeah, I was thinking like, I was thinking 3%. I don't know. Based on what? One on five. One. I think it's four to one. Now that I laid the dog right now, I'm unsure. That false premise? No, you scared yourself. That's too far. Yeah, like, not many people could put up with that.
Speaker: I don't know, you'd be surprised. Let's say it was a recent video and it was a Medal of Honor. How do you get his hands on a Medal of Honor dog? He's a Medal of President. I don't think they give the Medal of Honors out. Yeah. Oh, so is this like an accident? Like he puts the metal on too tight or something? No, no, no. He put it on there. Oh, he puts it on too tight on purpose.
Speaker: No, no, later on in the day, he chokes the dog to death and then puts the, puts it around his. Why did he put the dog around his neck? The, the metal of water. Like he takes it back and puts it on and says something like a quip, like a real smart.
Speaker: Like Merry Christmas, dog. You know, it's funny that you, you like when you were sending out the premise and you said, well, let's say it's a dog. Cause that does, that is another category. You know, you look at pop culture and movies and shows, it's always, that's how, you know, it's, there's no coming back from that when you do something to the dog. Yeah.
Speaker: as you all know, I'm a big John, John Wick fan. That's so then the one specifically. Oh, that's classic, classic. So, uh, yeah, once that doing that, as opposed to, um, all those like Charles Bronson movies where it was always, you know, you had sequels of where the hero, his family members died or his wife got, you know, horrible stuff, but then.
Speaker: You know, with that same, it's a big, it's a bigger, it almost seems cliche to do that, but it's like, oh, they killed his dog. And it's like the ultimate, the worst thing that you could do. Yeah. Even in the movie, when the father got it, it was like he understood. When the father? Yeah. When the, the dude that killed the dog, the main guy. Oh, oh, oh, the bad guy. Yeah. When John Lickwizamo gave him the dog. Right.
Speaker: was like outraged too. Yeah. I mean, it's such a cliche. That is a term like a film term is kicking the puppy. Is it really? Mm hmm. And that means when like a bad guy does something just so like over the top bad to like kind of. Show that they're bad guy. And killing the dog pretty. You're not coming back from that. So there's your answer. Oh, but then John Wick kills a bunch of dogs.
Speaker: Oh, spoiler, man. What do you do? For sure. Aggressive spoiler. And, uh, I actually don't, I don't think that's true. Also a spoiler. He does team up with a bunch of dogs and they have an awesome sequence, but I don't, I don't remember any of the dogs dying. Hmm. Yeah. What about that movie to gray? I mean, the rules for that same, uh, no.
Speaker: No, I wouldn't say that. Yes. What about Kujo? Kujo died at the end, right? Spoiler, but... All these old movies, spoiler. The old movie, Man's Best Friend. It was like the... Oh, yeah, when they made a dog.
Speaker: Uh, well, I think they like cybernetically enhanced the dog. Oh man. Let's get this watch this trailer. Hold on one second. I don't know. I don't know that actually. You said man's best friend is the name of the, the, the actual movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. See they crossed, they bred him with tiger for some reason. Oh, it's a cross animals. Oh, he shouldn't be able to climb. Yeah.
Speaker: This is hard as worst. Oh, man. He didn't even chew that. So the literal end of the movie. So much. They left the asset. Yeah. I've never seen that. It's right up my alley though. I'm surprised I didn't watch that. That's right up your alley. You know how I feel about
Speaker: cross mutant animals. That's that's a niche I can get by. I think you just like you like you like films or media that play into your anti -dog stance. You just be like, see, this is what I'm talking about. My dog agenda. That's all they're good for. Is this what you guys want, huh? See? Yeah, that was
Speaker: That was a movie. But anyway, the question I was more interested in, Chris, than because I think I've stopped being interested in Trump questions back in like 2015. But the religion question, because Chris apparently had an epiphany. Mm hmm.
Speaker: Uh, like, like for me personally, my, uh, revolt against religion, I think happened over like 20 years or something or 10 years. I don't know. Look, a long period just slowly faded away, but Chris made it sound like there was just some moment. He just, you know, had a Eureka moment while like in the shower or something. That makes it way easier. Yeah. Is that accurate, Chris?
Speaker: No, I don't know. Next question. It wasn't a long time, but it was a multiple day t -shirt. Yeah. I'm saying for me, it was a decade plus. I consider days to be pretty immediate. Okay. Or not. I don't want to pick a fight here.
Speaker: Yeah. When you're saying that, because you are you saying because as you grew up religious, Chris, and then oh, yeah, are you like, like you went to church every Sunday and you were involved in the church and all that? Yeah, church every Sunday. Oh, wow. Okay, I didn't know that. Yeah, it's definitely involved the Catholic school. That's true. Yeah.
Speaker: goes all day. Is there anything you want to you feel comfortable talking about? Look, I think you were you were asking the other other people there. No, I think it was you had a you said there was
Speaker: Cause you were doing, you said some of the long lines of you were doing the church stuff in Houston, but then something happened around then. Oh, and then I was like, let's save it for tomorrow. And you were like, Oh yeah, let's do that. And now it's tomorrow. And now we're having a conversation about the conversation we had yesterday, but still have not gotten to what exactly happened. Oh, so I think it was both. I went in and actually started reading.
Speaker: parts of the Bible myself and started thinking about it a lot. And I was like, ah, this doesn't make sense. Ah, this is this tough. Wait, I remember you reading the Bible. Like, I feel like I saw at like freshman or sophomore year, I vaguely remember you having like a Bible study group. Yes, that's why I'm saying reading them myself because there's the sugar coated parts.
Speaker: And then the deep down parts that like kind of contradict. Oh God. So you like, you chose what to read and not somebody told you exactly. Yeah. Hmm. Yeah. And that was it. So just, uh, just, uh, reading the, uh, the small print, you're like, Oh, wait a minute. And you're like, your independent study, I guess you, yeah, you didn't.
Speaker: It didn't all jive, I guess. Yeah. Reading some of those and then looking at the story of Joe and other things around that. Who's the good guy here? And that was it. You just close the, close the book on it. Like metaphorically, literally whatever. Yeah. I was, I was like, this is throughout the Bible. This is not the same God throughout the story. So I felt like
Speaker: No, this can't, this book can't trust. Right. What would I even base faith? I feel like, you and I went to church at some point. Yeah. When you were saying your description of it, Doug, I was, I kind of had the same experiences as you where over, I just became disillusioned after so many, you know, after decades, cause I had go to church every Sunday. My, my.
Speaker: It was me and my three brothers. We all went through all the different parts of Catholic Church going through First Communion and Confirmation and all that. And I didn't even make it through the end of that. I didn't even get through Confirmation. I baptized First Communion and then I didn't do any Confirmation. But I did go through Wednesday School and Sunday School. Never went to Catholic School. And I would go to church all the way up to
Speaker: through high school. And then when I'd go home from college, but then kind of on my own, I kind of drifted away. It was not, it was no big epiphany. It was just over time. And I didn't go, I didn't realize how involved you were, Chris, too, to actually your own, you know, studying and, um, uh, you know, actual Bible study and everything like that. But that's, yeah, I didn't have nearly as a, a personal relationship. Like it wasn't so
Speaker: it wasn't involved in my day to day. So I didn't have like this all of a sudden reaction. And it, and like Betty went to Catholic school, but she, um, you know, we, we, we didn't bring the kids up. We're not bringing the kids up, um, with religion, really. We're not, I didn't have them. I didn't even have baptized, which is that devastating to the family.
Speaker: That's a world exclusive here, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Well, um, no, I mean, they don't really, my, my mom has that is aware of it and is more of the mind of just, um, cause my, my brother who had, you know, his seven kids, they all went through all the first steps and all my Frank, my brother, his kids, my brother, Bobby, they,
Speaker: all went through all the different steps with their kids. They baptized and started everything, but it wasn't really part of Betty's upbringing, and it wasn't so critical for me. We really never had even a conversation about it. We just kind of sidesteped the whole ordeal. I assume your mom just thinks that you guys are just going through a phase. Kids rebel. It's fine.
Speaker: Uh, yeah, we didn't, we didn't have too many conversations about it to be honest. It was just like a non issue. We didn't, she didn't make a big deal about it. I didn't really make a big deal about it, but, uh, you know, it's more about, it's not that we're, you know, godless people. We, we pray at, at the dinner table. Well, we can each judge for ourselves. All right. Yeah. Godless or not. So what you, what you lost faith in is the Catholic
Speaker: I I guess so yeah, yeah all the the ceremony around everything didn't seem nearly as important as I don't know it was more important just to Be good people and instill values and lessons and things like that, but I've been using you know text of the Bible to do it or feeling I need to have go through all the same way that I I
Speaker: grew up doing. It just wasn't as important to me. It wasn't like, well, this is tradition and I got to do it because I went through it. It just didn't, it was not critical for me to do that. And because it was foreign to Betty, she didn't, I mean, it just seemed like a no brainer that we had to go through all those steps with the kids.
Speaker: I guess it's like an important follow -up. And this kind of applies to everybody. Does anybody here not believe in dinosaurs and or believe they were planted to test our faith? Is that a thing? I hadn't heard that TV. Yeah. There's your answer. I don't know. I like it though. I like that.
Speaker: Uh, his girlfriend at one time, which girlfriend, uh, right before she was like a white chick with blonde hair. Um, I think that was right, but it was right after, but it was doing this. Yeah. Yeah. Right around that time. So the years earlier, I knew her through student government and her and another
Speaker: uh, chick whose name I also don't remember. Uh, they're like, Hey, let's go. Let's, let's go get coffee together. Three of us. And I was like, all right, let's see where this is going. And you would take a three. So already, right? Hold on. And so then, you know, I got there and then we sat down and the conversation immediately went to saving my soul. Uh, can you, can you, don't size set that. Can you like paint a picture? Like you sit down and
Speaker: Like that's funny to say, but what was the actual like words that came out? Uh, I mean, we are talking that that was 2005 or six. This is, this is a long time. So I definitely don't remember what the first words were. I do just remember that the conversation immediately was asking like, do I believe in Jesus? And then, uh, no. And I was like, uh, I kind of at that point was already starting to,
Speaker: Uh, drift into like a more agnostic mode where it's like, I thought I don't think that there could be anything. It's just, I, you know, I, I think of myself as like a person who has a more scientific, logical mind. And I kind of want to see evidence or proof or whatever. And anyway, so it kind of went down the path and then they kind of just came back with all these arguments. And then like, I brought up, I literally brought up dinosaurs, dinosaur bones and like the process we use to test bones and how that's.
Speaker: It's pretty robust. And then they immediately came back and said like, yeah, but what if that's just a test from God? And that's just kind of how the conversation went was just. Oh, man. How come that never came up? That's that's well. Well, I probably did. But again, Matt doesn't remember anything pretty. I don't remember this week. I keep on.
Speaker: That's like an old goldfish man. Yeah. Just another great day here. He just respawns every day, just smiling. Yeah, this was almost like a booty cross scenario where you think you're gearing up to have a threesome and it ends up being them talking about saving your soul. It's every time. I'm surprised you didn't get lost in the universe there.
Speaker: I don't know if I, uh, I don't know if immediately in my head that is explicit, like I can frame it that way now, you know, 15 years later or whatever, but, uh, I think, I don't know. I didn't know what it was, what was going to happen, but I did not expect that. That was very like. Yeah. At the time, it's funny to say, to say now by the time where you like, uh, I'm sure you were taken aback, but were you, were you, do you, was it did when it made a turn, was there?
Speaker: it was adversarial and angry, or did you felt like it was an intellectual conversation, just like a discussion? Or were you so taken aback that they accosted you that you had to, were you angry? No, I definitely, I think even at the time, I took it as more of an intellectual conversation.
Speaker: I have found, because I've actually been in that exact scenario, not exact scenario, that'd be ridiculous, but I've been in a scenario where I've been kind of caught off guard by somebody pressuring religion on me a few times. And in general, I always find it fine and it turns into like a bit of like a intellectual exercise, but there's a certain point where they don't know to like, all right, you're barking up the wrong tree here in a way that
Speaker: I've always found, including that time, I remember getting pretty uncomfortable at a certain point. I'm like, how do I exit this? Right, right, right. Maybe the idea of, like you said, now you've had another situation similar to that. Has anybody else had that? It brings a different situation with me, but that same idea of you
Speaker: you very quickly, you start to realize that this is not what you signed up for, what you signed up for. And then it kind of changes somebody's pressure and you to do a, um, what it, uh, I'm thinking like, it's like, um, like a, like a timeshare scenario or something where they're trying to sell you something. It's very, uh, you know, like in that type of, uh, that type of framework. Right. But nobody else, I feel like I had the,
Speaker: Well, at least when we were younger, like college age, I think the religious conversation, maybe it was just like a time in the culture where there were more people, there were still a lot of religious people, but there was also a decent amount of people starting to drift. And because I remember that conversation happening quite a bit. Oh, really? Okay. Like, well, meeting more people, I was surprised by how many people I met that were very religious. Yeah. As opposed to now, which is like, no one.
Speaker: at least that actively express it. Right. Yeah. No, no one are. I have a friend who just got back into it. How does that happen? I don't know. I was pretty surprised, but I think it's just how people can get into any car. That's why I mean, that's yeah. I think that's just how stupid people operate. I wouldn't even say stupid people. I'd say any, any, it can happen to anybody.
Speaker: Well, yeah, if, um, right, you know, well, people that have, have, um, maybe when they grew up religious, but then in a time of need, right? That's when you go back, when you time desperation or a particular tough time, your personal life or a family or there's crisis, then you go back to, that's when you found God or, or a moment of like, uh, you know, there's a dictionary that I don't know. There, there's going to be a whole host of things, but that's, there's every time I'm at Chris, like we're near,
Speaker: No, I will. So I, yeah, but I wouldn't even say it's going back. I'd say it's going to be sold because this is, this is why this has happened. This is coming to religion is the answer. Yeah. And in that moment of week, like, and maybe it is, that's, that's when they got you back for at least a little. So you're saying you could fall for it again in a moment of weakness. Yeah. I want to say.
Speaker: Uh, if, if, if I was shown believe to see some quasi miracle or something like that, maybe that could trick back in. When's the, when's the last time you, uh, went to church? Uh, Oh, 11, 12 years ago. Wait, 11, 12 weeks ago, you said? Yeah. Years. Oh, years. That's a big difference. Yeah. I was in church on Christmas Eve.
Speaker: See, you're even better about it than I am, because the last time I went was for one of my nephews, Chris, since that's really it. Wait, Chris, didn't you get kicked out of your Bible study group for fornicating too much? Or you couldn't stop, and that's why you couldn't be a part of the Bible group?
Speaker: No, that's not why I was kicked out. Where did they get their information? That was what we disagreed on. They kept asking you to not drink and not sleep with these hoes. And you're like, no, I gotta be me. No, I think it was me saying that I couldn't stop doing those things. And that's why I can't. It feels like we said the same thing with slightly different words.
Speaker: Chris is saying is you wouldn't commit to stopping. There's just, they're like catching him red handed and he's like, I just can't stop. It sounds like, it sounds like what you're saying is they went to, they went to fire you, but you're like, no, I quit.
Speaker: Because you're like, oh, I know what I'm doing. I think they were reminding him of the HR policies and he's like, yeah, look, I know I don't follow those HR policies. It's not really my thing. It was 2003. I don't know how many HR policies were pretty lax. I'm actually surprised that you were in it at all.
Speaker: It always felt crazy to see all the shenanigans you and Steve were up to. Me? This sounds like character assassination. You and Matt. I won't stand for this. And then, you know, you do all those shenanigans and then come Sunday or Tuesday or whatever, right back at it. It all washes away. That's part of the deal. Yeah. You go in on Sunday and then you just, you top off and say,
Speaker: How do people not realize that's such a human creation? This is great. So this is always the deal. This is always how it's set up. This is a perfect system. Do whatever I want, as long as I feel bad about it. I think when you're talking about when the Lutheran church split, part of the thing is the Catholic church was charging people.
Speaker: Yeah, but that explains all the gold. Like the Catholic Church got rich off of people's faith. Yeah, you had to pay to pay to play. Matt, I feel like you were never I don't remember you ever being particularly religious.
Speaker: I had a face. I mean, we didn't grow up religious, but I peeked around freshman year, I'd say. Yeah, I kind of remember that. Yeah. Well, I do. I definitely remember Matt being like a like a fucking sailor during the crash. And then all of a sudden he was just like a real clean cut guy. That was the time. You got to try it all out. You know, you dip in.
Speaker: I was crazy. You just busted, busted into my dorm room, spit on the floor. You're like, I'm Matt. This guy actually said, I'm fucking Matt. Jesus freak. And later I was. Yeah. Was there a particular was it just you wanted to try it or was it like somebody was this like a another.
Speaker: another body we're trying to collector i think after i got what what a way to put it. You can take a picture with words i mean it was like a year and a half that was just stacking bodies every time i would say where such and such is like i haven't been dating her for a long time.
Speaker: Oh, that was freshman year, right? Check the charts. They called him Matt Bulldozer -Caliar, which is weird. It's like they knew. Oh, yeah, you were putting them dumb. Yeah, toe tagging left and right. Crazy. It ended with such a funny one. I'm the morgue. That doesn't make sense.
Speaker: I take coverage with the metaphor, but it's just so funny. It's like it dehumanizes the object, but it's so funny. The worst possible thing is stacking bodies.
Speaker: We better call the coroner. At no point has Matt denied any of this. No, no, no, no. It's 100 % spot on. I guess what I was talking about. Wasn't there a thing like an old Wall Street where you get a sale, and then you take the tag off, and then you put it on a thing, and then you ring the bell? I was like, you got another one. Put it on the board. Call it in.
Speaker: Oh, man. So at the time, I thought Matt had lost it. It's like he already. Right. I believe so. Yeah. That's your story. Yeah. I gave them. So I gave them so much power. It's almost like I saw that as being caught. Yeah. Wasn't all right. Well, you might have been trying to do.
Speaker: the one up actually, right? Cause he was dating a woman, always. That wouldn't, that wouldn't, I don't know what one ended up in this age or not in my book ages, uh, nothing but a number, right? That's like the old saying. Yeah. Wait, did you say aid a ideas? Okay.
Speaker: Oh, age. Okay. I thought you know, cause like, uh, for who you were talking about though, that like it was, uh, I don't even know what the roles were. Cause you're saying, uh, Oh, that she, uh, she was a RA. No, no, she was like a program assistant, right? Like a P somebody. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Which is why she was allowed to sleep with children.
Speaker: She wasn't an RA. So was that in? Preff? Or was that after? Yeah, the end of Preff. The end of Preff. And then when they came back... That's bad. I just in the hallway when they were... Shaking his head. That smile the whole time. You know, I'm sad, but I'm also happy.
Speaker: He was always trying to save people and he just saw the sin constant. Was he religious? Is that why we called him? Oh, it's super really good. He invented Catholicism. Okay. Hold on. All this, all this, uh, uh, a tray talk, uh, we never, what, what, how did you get into religion? You said it wasn't a body. It was just a,
Speaker: No, I just, well, I think after being exposed to people who weren't scoundrels like you guys, I'm like, oh, there's actually some goodness in this world. There's some decency in humanity.
Speaker: Let me get some of that. So some of the people that I met in some of these clubs and stuff, I'm just like, oh, this person's really nice. I like being around these types of people. And it turns out they were all in these religious clubs or whatever. I was like, oh, well.
Speaker: You know, I, I like the, the behaviors. I like the principles. You know, let me, let me see what this is about, but couldn't, couldn't get past the, you know, you got to accept things that you can't necessarily know are true or are real. And they almost got me with, you can't see love. How do you know that love is a real thing or how do you,
Speaker: How do you bank on or trust or have faith in love if you can't hold it in your hands? You haven't seen my stack of bodies, I guess, but they almost, they almost got my toe tags. I'm going to also bleep out all of the names that aren't ours because that's,
Speaker: Like, yeah, that's smart. We didn't say last names, right? Uh, bleep out last names. Oh, keep first names. Um, you said, wait, you're saying like Matt has collected so many dog tags that he, you can just say first names and you're like, wish, oh, wish, uh, which one was it? I mean, that works. No, was it?
Speaker: Which **** was it, right? I think that's the one you can say, yeah. Why are you guys making me have to bleep so much here? I thought this was dead, dead air anyway. Oh, that's right. This is all b -roll. This is all for the Patreon.
