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Episode 715 - Raw Finale
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We reach 100 raw moments on the list this week, finishing it up! What will end up on the complete list of the rawest moments in comics history? Only one way to find out!
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Introduction & Light Banter
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Righteous, I'm bored. What plaything can you offer me today?
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got more Rocket Ajax to bring back his body. Terminate, exit!
Exploring Sanrio Characters
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Hello everybody and welcome to War Rocket Ajax. This is the internet's most explosive comic book and pop culture podcast and we are your hosts. My name is Chris Sims. With me as always is Matt Wilson.
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And Matt, if I was any Sanrio character, i would be Batsmaru. ah Batsmaru. Yes.
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but what Why do you think that is that's the the right character for you? Batsmaru is one of the few... like animated characters or like oh like mascot characters that I feel like I bear striking resemblance to.
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Because of the hair? Is it like this the sort of like haircut that it that he has? ah well his His hair sticks up but Mine also sticks up at odd angles.
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um He always looks ah sleepy or otherwise kind of you know grumpy. And ah his kind of resting frown, I think, is often mirrored in my resting face.
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Also, Bat's Maru, he's the bad boy. and I mean, i'm not I'm not a bad boy. but But I do feel like being a bad boy in the world of Hello Kitty is, means you, like, I think it means you like skateboards, you know?
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That is exactly what that means, yeah. There, are I don't think I have any great choices
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ah for what I would be. Do you have something in mind that you, like, a character you think I am? Well, let's let's see. You give me, like, I don't, ah this is true, and I don't mean it rudely.
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Okay. You give me real Kuromi vibes. Okay. I was gonna go, I was gonna go ChocoCat. ChocoCat?
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Good Otama. Is Good Otama an actual Samurio character? I don't think Yeah, i guess Gudetama is a Sonryo character. Oh, is it? Okay. You could be a Gudetama. Yeah. All right. like Like, i I feel like I look most like Dear Daniel.
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Yeah, but you, don like, i don't think I dismissed you being Dear Daniel out of hand when I was thinking about this earlier. Gudetama isn't like part of the crew, though, right? Gudetama's not part of the crew, no.
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I could be Gudetama. I'm fine with that. The core gang? Yeah. Then, almost by default, you would be Kuropi. Okay.
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You said that like I said something mean! The frog. You're talking about the frog? Yeah, I'm talking about the frog. Okay, I'll take it, sure. and Adventure lover? I love adventure.
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Yeah. I don't think there's a great match for me in the Sanrio characters, if I'm being honest. But I'll take Karapi. I'll take Karapi. Yeah.
Pop Culture & Podcast Titles
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as As you know, Matt, and as listeners know, I love my wife very much. And lately she has been, and again, this is true and literal, ah she has been playing ah Hello Kitty Island Adventure.
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I might start playing Hello Kitty Island Adventure because last night she found out that ah Big Challenges is in it. And Matt, if you don't know about Big Challenges...
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Just look up Big Challenges. Okay. I will. In the meantime, Chris, ah we need to get to our episode for this week, which is ah Raw.
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Big Challenges is a crocodile. Big Challenges is a ah happy crocodile who looks like the most Homestar Runner thing. Very much so. That was actually created 1978.
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nineteen seventy eight And his name is Big Challenges. And I love him. And i he is my hero and my second best friend.
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Big Challenges being elusive, I think that's who I might be. Big Challenges, i think, comes off as a little too gregarious to be you. Okay, fine. you Matt, you're famously not gregarious.
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Isn't Karapi also gregarious? Yeah, but I Look, we'll we'll put it to the listeners. ah Go on to Friendster and hashtag MattDWilsonKarapi or MattDWilsonBigChallenges.
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i Look, I'm not gregarious, but once you get to know me, I'm very nice. I mean, Yeah. Anyway, usually here in a Raw episode, what I will do is have my most visited Wikipedia page open, which is list of WWE wwe Raw special episodes.
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Is it still your, like, did did you reset the count? Is it still your most visited Wikipedia page this year? Probably not as much as last year. Definitely not as much as last year. But I would still call it it my most visited Wikipedia page, because rarely do I ever go to a Wikipedia page twice.
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ye all right you You absorb it, and it's in there. it's it's It's locked in the vault forever. That's right. But because this might be the last episode of Thursday Night Raw, I'm reserving the title.
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If this is the last episode of Raw, I will pick an appropriate title for that. If it is not the last episode of Raw, somehow, I will figure out a different title to use for it.
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So, wait and see, everybody, as to whether this is, in fact, the final episode of Raw. I think there is every indication that it will be, because we are currently on the Raw list at 96 entries, which means we only need four more to be to the perfect hundred that we sent.
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Can we do it? can Can we do it? Yes. is Will this be Raw finale, which is what I'm going to call it, if it's the end? Only time will tell.
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Chris, before we get to that, before we get Raw, we do have some business
Patreon Support & Goals
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to take care of here at the top of the show. The first piece of business is thanking our newest supporters over on Patreon. That's right, Matt. no These are the people who have gone all the way down to 715 Gimmick Street. And of course, you know what's there.
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Do you know what's there? Well, it's it's, according to the wiki, it is next door to the British Consulate. That's right, yeah. The British Consulate was at 713. Yeah. yeah Oh, it's a pie shop.
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it It is a pie shop. It's a pie shop that has sweet and savory pies in honor of the British Consulate. How is that in honor of the but British Consulate, Matt? if you could They have savory pies. They have meat pies. Yeah.
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Sure. most yes Most American pie shops don't have savory pies. They have they have sweet only sweet pies. That's true. Yeah. That's true. But yeah you know what?
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You got it, Matt. And it is it's the it's Lizzie Deuce's old-fashioned English pie shop. That's right. Lizzie Deuce. Be honored with the name.
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And and they theyre they're cranking out the pies. What can people do if they go there, Chris? They had all the stars of Epyx's Pennyworth present for the grand opening. That's right.
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Who all do actually have diplomatic immunity. Which is why they had to come to the British consulate. Matt, if you go down to Lizzie Deuce's old... Did I say old-timey or old-fashioned?
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I think old-time is what you said. Lizzie Deuce's old-time English pot shop. Then, while you're there, get on their free Wi-Fi. The password is Lizzie Deuce, but the I is a one.
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Crown Jewels, but the the Z is a two. Well, that's the Matt, that's the business Wi-Fi password. Oh no, I gave it away! and they're going to have to change it. Apologies to Lizzie Deuce's old-time English pie shop.
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Get on the Wi-Fi, go to patreon.com slash warrocketajax.com. Where you can kick in as little as dollar a month to help fund these bits and help me and Matt pay those gimmicks they keep sending in the mail called bills.
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Go over to patreon.com slash warrocketajax and kick in as little as $1 per month to make sure that we do this show every week. Now, we did have to take a week off last week due to illness, feeling under the weather, but we're we're back at it now, and we do one of these shows basically every week.
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ah So... That was that was ah a little bit of a blip, but we're we're back at Roran now. It helps us do Every Story Ever monthly. It helps us do Comics Catch-Up monthly, which we're going to be talking about the first ten issues of the Andy Helfer, Bill Sienkiewicz, Kyle Baker Shadow series.
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which Which, buddy, Matt, you called it on that one. We got stuff to say about that series. We got stuff to say. ah When we get to it.
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um But I think we've both read it all, so we'll record that very soon. And then Movie Fighters and Snack Situation. Marlene and I have a great snack situation lined up for March.
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So ah all of that is made possible by your support on Patreon. Currently on Patreon, we have 406...
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paid patrons. We are 14 away from doing what we've promised at the Funny Weed number 420, which is taking an edible and recording some bonus content.
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I was thinking about this, Matt, and I think in order to get us over that that final, you know past the final leg of that journey, I think a fun thing we should do is we randomly determine that on a regular episode of Ajax, one of us will take an edible.
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That is risky, so but sure. And we won't tell anyone. would be up to the listeners to to sort out that mystery.
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But we will also do the Boko where we both do it. Yes, we will also do the Boko if we hit 420, but I feel like people don't know what that experience is going to be like. yeah So maybe we need to maybe we need to show them.
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Maybe we need to introduce them to Matt Weidson. Well, here's what I'm going to say. Christopher Spliff.
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Here's what I'm going to say. We are recording this March 2025. Mm-hmm. twenty twenty five The episode is going up on March 17th.
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So we have one month approximately, a little more than one month, before April 20th. Okay. Let's set a goal to have 420 by 420. I think that is a noble goal.
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And if that happens... Then we will record the BOCO on the day. On the special day with the special number, because we hit the special number.
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i think I think that's a good idea, Matt. I think that's great idea. Speaking of dates, by the way, you know that on Sunday, or yesterday, if you were listening to this on the day that comes up, you have to wear the vest all day.
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I do. I have to wear the vest all day. And I will be expecting pictures throughout the day as as photographic proof. Done. Done. yeah all right Marlene and I have already agreed to record a snack situation that night, so that's going to be real fun.
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I hope it does it's something that comes in two cans that you can smash together and pour onto your face. ah Done and agreed. Alright. I'm also going to wear it to...
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To an event we have coming up ah that ah guess we'll discuss at a later time when when we get closer to it. and But you make all of those things possible by your support on Patreon. And as a patron, you get every single episode of every show that we do completely add free. you get your own feed on Patreon of...
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The content where we take edibles, it will not be a the world's first edible podcast. Something to consider, though. At the $10 level, ah you get line-stepping privileges for our segments.
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which are right now just every story ever because Thursday Night Raw submissions are closed, but we're finishing Thursday Night Raw this episode most likely. So we'll start a new game very soon, and you will be able to step the line for that if you're at the $10 level on Patreon.
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Now that we have taken care of that, it's time for some checks and recs. What do you say? Let's do it.
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Chris, what do you have to check in with this week? Matt, people might be wondering. Hey, you guys didn't do the show last week. So what did you do with your time that would have otherwise been spent recording this show?
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And Matt, I'll tell you what I did, because I only did one thing.
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Watch Gotham. I watched all 100 episodes of Gotham. I cannot believe there are 100 episodes of that show. There are four seasons of like full network seasons, and then season five is, I think, 10 12 episodes. There are an even episodes nuts.
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If you're a long-time listener of the show, then you will know that Matt and I have ah dunked on the idea of watching
Gotham Series & TV Habits
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Gotham. The very idea of watching Gotham several times over the years. it would It's the ah plot of one of our many side-series podcasts that does not actually exist.
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but One of the oldest ones, I believe. Neighborhood Watch. yeah and Neighborhood Watch was going to be our Gotham podcast. And so I regret to inform you.
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Gotham, Gotham pretty fun. Gotham, Gotham good, actually.
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I watched Gotham because I had previously watched ah all of Pennyworth, the television show about, a allegedly about the origin of Batman's Butler, because that is the full title of the show, Pennyworth, the origin of Batman's Butler, that has plenty little or nothing to do with any version of Batman and is fascinating in its own right. We have talked about it on the show with Daniel Kibblesmith and Jen Ashley Wright, ah and I wrote extensively about it on ah my website, the-isb.com, if you are curious about that.
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But once I had watched all 30 episodes of Pennyworth, which is supposed to be, but is absolutely not a prequel to Gotham, I decided to watch all of Gotham.
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And several times over the course of those 100 episodes, I asked myself, if it was still my job to be mad about this, would I be mad at this?
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Because there's certainly a lot to be mad at. If you care about Batman. There's certainly a lot to be mad at, yeah. I believe textually or contextually, the weirdest thing that happens on Gotham is that at one point, Leslie Tompkins is a gang boss in a romantic relationship with the Riddler who shoots a woman in the in the head.
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if If you okay care about Leslie Tompkins, which I do... and which Batman does, then that may sit wrong with you.
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However, on the show, it's it's fun. i was I was able to be like, oh, this is just a weird Elseworlds.
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Jim Gordon is... Jim Gordon... is a bastard on the show, Matt. but like This show will reinforce ACAB, for sure.
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Okay. But, It's highly entertaining. Everyone's actually really good on it. you Like the the main cast, Ben McKenzie is Jim Gordon. Donald Logue is Harvey Bullock.
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Kid who plays Bruce Wayne is good. ah Fuckable Penguin, who we were at a convention with and did not speak to. we That's true. We didn't. we didn't no Not for any reason, but like he was like the big celebrity guest at a con.
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we had a We had a tense encounter with Tommy Dreamer at that show. i i wouldn't say it was tense. Yeah. Tommy Dreamer definitely wanted to know why i said the NWA title was ugly.
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That he definitely, yeah. What do you mean it's ugly? It's classic.
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I should have been like, okay, Tommy, would you made a title belt out of a license plate once, so let's you know let's be real here. He's great! Not Tommy Dreamer.
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Not Tommy Dreamer. that not the fo Robin Lord Taylor, who plays Penguin. yeah Penguin and Riddler on that show are a fucking hoot. I find it very doubtful, Matt, that there is anything that I could say that would get you to watch one episode of Gotham, let alone the whole series.
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It's a tough sell, yeah. kids Telling me that there are a hundred episodes is like, no way.
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Yeah. You and Benito watch movies. I watch TV and YouTube videos. And that is... thats I famously not a fan of the cinema.
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ah But if there's one thing I could tell you that I think might do the job, it's that Gotham is structured and paced like professional wrestling.
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Say more. There are... Heel turns, tag team tech teams forming and and breaking up. they' It's the only... Penguin and Riddler have every kind of relationship two people can have on that show.
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Okay. in In the way that only, like... That I have, honest to God, only ever seen in pro wrestling. Like, people go through... Like, it's it's a real Johnny Gargano, Tommaso Ciampa situation. Right, it's... They're a tag team, they're best friends, the tag team breaks up, and they're immediately...
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the most bitter enemies. They feud, then they're uneasy allies, then they're... Honestly, it's less Tommaso Ciampa and Johnny Gargano and more Kenny Omega and Hangman Page.
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I can see that. I can also imagine it being ah somewhat similar to a Sami Zayn-Kevin Owens situation. Very much so. Yeah. Very much so.
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But that that's that's more Donald Logue and Ben McKenzie, Bullock and Gorton. Okay. li Literally, there's like an episode where where Harvey Bullock is like, Jim, you're my best friend.
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And then two episodes later, he's like, Jim, you gotta suffer and live with what you've done. And then like three episodes later, he's like, I now pronounce you husband and wife, Jim Gordon.
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It's a fucking wild ride. ah my My favorite thing about it is that, um did you know that the Scarecrow's dad was also a disgraced college professor ah who serial murdered people and was obsessed with fear and made fear chemicals?
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Apple doesn't fall far. And so on. Yeah. Plus, Alexander Siddick of Star Trek Deep Space Nine plays Ra's al Ghul, which is great. He's great. Love him.
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Nothing but love. I want to know how many TV Ra's al Ghuls there have been. He's on Arrow, right? Different guy. Yeah.
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but Different guy on Arrow. Ra's al Ghul is... I think there were two different actors who played Ra's al Ghul on Arrow. Incredible. Yeah. I like that Alexander Siddick is in there because he is the the closest to Middle Eastern any actor has ever been playing Ra's al Ghul.
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Yeah. Yeah. and And he is a British man whose father was from the Sudan. What were you doing while I was watching 100 episodes of Gotham? have to do one of those things we occasionally do, where we ask our listeners for advice on something.
Personal Struggles & Pet Advice
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Because, i don't know if I've mentioned this on the show, but... um We left to go visit ah family in Pennsylvania over the holidays back in December.
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And when we came back, our two cats, Eleanor and Harrison, were constantly hissing and growling at each other. Somehow, in the time we had been gone, which is approximately a week, and when and when we came back...
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our two cats had, had grown to hate each other. i'll make they Their tag team broke up. they dead Yes, it was exactly a tag team breakup, but now they're bitter enemies. They're like absolute rivals.
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And so we didn't quite understand what was going on. We were trying different things to get them to like, get along better. And thankfully that has resolved itself.
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Um, Essentially, what we ended up doing was getting Harrison an arthritis shot because he's an old cat now. He's coming up on 15.
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ah But he's still kicking. He's okay. Don't worry. um But he is getting older. And so um it it seems like ultimately what was going on was he was having some arthritis pain.
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Our younger cat, Eleanor, would like try to play with him. and he was not feeling it, and so he would they would hiss and growl at each other. He would tell her to fuck off, and she would get mad, and that would cause the conflict.
00:26:08
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But through all of that, when we also got Harrison the arthritis shot, um we were also given anti-anxiety pills to give him. And let me tell you what that cat does not want to do.
00:26:22
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Take a fucking pill. Yeah. And I've tried every trick I can think of. I've put the pill in with his food. He will not eat the food, or he'll eat around the pill.
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Biscuit does that if we try to put mitts in her food. She will leave only... She will occasionally pick it up with her mouth and set it down outside the bowl, and then continue eating. Yeah. i have put it in a treat, and...
00:26:55
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That worked a couple of times, but it hasn't like really worked. The thing that I've tried to do lately is I've cut a piece of kibble in half. And I take the pill, and it's a very small pill.
00:27:10
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I take the pill and I wet it until it's basically like a paste. And I put the paste inside the split into piece of kibble, and then I stick the kibble back together, and I try to fool him into thinking it's just a regular piece of kibble that he'll eat.
00:27:27
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That worked a couple times, too, but he's gotten wise to that as well. Because the thing about these pills is and they must have a very distinctive smell, because Harrison will quite simply sniff the food, and if he sniffs the pill, if he catches any whiff of the pill, done.
00:27:45
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He will not eat it. So... Do any of our listeners have any tricks to get a cat to take a pill? Please let me know. Hit me up in the Discord.
00:27:56
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Hit me on Blue Sky. Message me on Patreon. However you best want to get in touch with me ah about whatever tips and tricks you might have for how to get a cat to take a pill.
00:28:09
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ah i am I am looking for it because...
00:28:14
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it is It is getting increasingly difficult to get him to actually ingest this medication. So ah that I am asking for cat pill tricks from our listeners.
00:28:29
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That is my check. Time for some recs. Chris, notably, your rec is not Gotham, so what is your recommendation? No, because I do feel like if you're the type of person who's going to watch Gotham...
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you watched You either watched it or hearing me say that I enjoyed it, you you will watch it. it's It's on there. If you've got Maxwell, it's free. oh It's not free. You know what I mean.
00:28:55
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It's included. you have You've already paid for it. you've already you've already spent That money's gone. Right. I do think you should watch it, Matt. And I also think everyone should watch Pennyworth.
00:29:09
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But ah of the two of us, Usually, I am the one ah who makes the the less serious recommendations.
00:29:21
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If there is a a serious recommendation or a serious check to be made, it's usually you. oh But I will say this, dear listener, you might be thinking to yourself, what you watched 100 episodes of Gotham in a week? Is that healthy?
00:29:37
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No. No, it is not. And part of the reason I did that was because I have, as listeners know, I have the depression, medically speaking, and it is very treatment resistant.
00:29:55
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My last visit to my doctor, we discussed this, and she made an adjustment to my meds. And one of the unfortunate side effects of that, and one of the reasons that ah I couldn't do the show last week, is it essentially knocked me out for a week. Like, I instill...
00:30:15
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incredibly tired. um I've had like foggy. I've had a really hard time doing anything. you know So so i I readjusted my medication back to where it was before, and I've got an appointment coming up with with my doctor to talk about it.
00:30:32
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i Because it did take me a few days to figure out why I felt so bad. Because you know i I just added in a another pill and kind of forgot about it as I take my meds every morning.
00:30:46
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ah All of which is to say, if you haven't in a while, it might be a good time to check in with yourself, check in with your doctor, check in with your meds, make sure everything is working, especially in a world where it seems increasingly difficult to know what the sane response to anything is.
00:31:09
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Perhaps it's to watch 100 episodes of Gotham. I don't think that's the case. but it But it didn't work for me, I guess. Got me through a week. ah so yeah, check in with you, Doctor. And if you're if if you're having a a rough time right now, as many of us are, ah for a variety of reasons...
00:31:32
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ah A lot of it can be situational, but some of it can be chemical, and sometimes the chemical can interact with the situational, for good or ill.
00:31:46
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So my recommendation for everyone this week, just check in. If you haven't, talk to your doctor about your meds in a while. Make an appointment. Just make sure you're getting what you need to get through everything.
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Matt? What do you want to recommend? Now you get to be now you get to be the guy who's like, uh, video games. Or whatever. That's right. I like this game about race cars, and you're like, charity.
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Look, I know you agree. I agree with your sentiment of check in with yourself. You absolutely should. like Here's my recommendation,
Movie & Comic Book Discussions
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though. It is, in fact, a movie that you can watch right now on Maxwell. Or you can also watch Gotham.
00:32:31
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And... I offer this recommendation with a caveat. And that caveat is, um I don't know if the movie itself is actually good. Okay. after After having seen it, I would err on the side of, well, here's what I would say.
00:32:48
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Don't go in expecting anything actually enlightening or that has anything trenchant to say about religion.
00:33:00
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Matt, hang on. Are you telling me this is ah this is a cult, not a bride? Yeah, it's a cult, not a bride. Okay. But I'm recommending it solely on the performance.
00:33:11
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the lead performance of Hugh Grant in Heretic. Okay, this is one that I asked you about back when it first came out. I asked you and Benito if you thought I would like it, because it did look like Hugh Grant putting people in a deathtrap house, which does sound like something I would like.
00:33:31
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Okay, it's not as much of a deathtrap house as you would want. What is? ah Yeah, it's more of a psychological trick,
00:33:41
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situation. And it's more like, okay, Hugh Grant plays a total freak in this movie. ah A real nasty freak.
00:33:52
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That's what's great about it. like if you If you don't know anything about the premise, the idea is that there are these two Mormon missionaries, both like... young women in their early 20s and ah they come to hugh grant's house he lives somewhere in colorado and ah they try to convince they you know he told them that he wanted them to come like proselytize to him and tell him about their church and so they come to his house and
00:34:27
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it becomes clear that he all actually wants to convince them of his religious beliefs. And at first it just seems like he's an atheist who wants to convince them that what they believe is wrong.
00:34:41
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But then the further along the movie goes, he proves himself to be an absolute freak who just has his own very strange conception of religious belief.
00:34:55
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And I'll kind of leave it at that. I think the last 20 minutes of the movie is kind of like fully not good.
00:35:06
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like It makes him into too much of just a pure monster instead of the kind of interesting character he is before that. But before that, where he like he he he makes a point very pretty early in the movie about how religion...
00:35:26
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now most of the major religions now are just copies, have just copied pieces of other religions that came before and piece them back together.
00:35:39
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um And the way that he makes this point is by saying that the Radiohead song Creep ripped off another song and then another song later ripped off Creep and Radiohead sued that group.
00:35:55
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And then he talks about the origin of Monopoly, which I never knew this before. There is a board game that predates Monopoly that was Monopoly.
00:36:08
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And then some guy just took that idea, sold it to Parker Brothers, stole it, sold it to Parker Brothers, and then it became Monopoly. ah That game was called The Landlord's Game and was created by a woman to show the ills of capitalism.
00:36:27
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Point proven. Yes. Now, there's also a thought that she stole a lot of the ideas for the Landlord's Game from a Native American game, which makes even more sense.
00:36:41
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um But that's not mentioned in the movie. um Anyway... Hugh Grant's performance is great. The other actor's performance in the movie is also great and worth watching the movie for.
00:36:54
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the The two Mormon missionaries are both really good. Chloe East, who plays Sister Paxton, um she plays this character that comes off as very naive and blindly believing the character.
00:37:09
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very naive and like blindly believing the church in every regard. And then she is over the course of the movie, revealed to be kind of much smarter than she appears.
00:37:23
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And to know many more things than she she originally appears to. And then also, there are two points in the movie where a quote is stated, and her point of reference for both of those quotes are comic books.
00:37:38
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Interesting. So, someone says, great power, great responsibility, and she goes, Spider-Man! True. and And ah then there's another part where she says the only way out is through.
00:37:51
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And Hugh Grant mentions some literary reference. I forget what it even is. But she goes, Swamp Thing.
00:38:01
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law So that there's there's a lot to like about the movie, but i don't ultimately I don't think it has anything that's all that interesting to say.
00:38:13
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um about religion, which you kind of think it may, but it it kind of doesn't. But Hugh Grant makes it worth watching. So that's my recommendation. Heretic. Do you think I would like it?
00:38:26
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I think you would think it is too scary. By the end. Okay. Because it does get pretty intense by the end. All right, Chris, those are our checks and recs.
00:38:36
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It's time to talk about some comics. Let's do it.
00:38:42
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Absolute Superman number five, I think, is the book we're going to give the texter's choice to this week. It's certainly a ah book we did text about.
00:38:54
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And has the trend been odd-numbered issues about Krypton, even-numbered issues about – I don't think it really has been. but this one is way more about Krypton than Earth.
00:39:08
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You get both – I think that's been the trend. yeah But this in in this one, we actually see Krypton's destruction in in this continuity. ah And I really appreciate the idea of Jor-El and Lara building a rocket big enough for like their entire community, or at least as many people as they can save, and not just their kid.
00:39:34
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Well, also, there's the element here of like other people trying to escape the planet. Yeah, ah there's the idea that the like ah the elite, the the one percenters of Krypton, kept the knowledge of Krypton's impending explosion from the people so that they could build their own spaceships and and get off the planet.
00:39:56
Speaker
Wow. Not any relevance to the world we live in right now. I love that we can imagine these thought experiments. yeah ah Yeah. The only thing that that doesn't ring true about that is that they would keep it a secret and not just tell you.
00:40:12
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And then just not let you on. Yeah. yeah One of the interesting things is we see the ship kind of bond with people, and it's the nanomachines that make up this Superman's cape.
00:40:27
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And so everybody on the ship gets it. So when the ship ah gets hit by a piece of Krypton as it explodes, we see it like each of the the people, like the the capes, form a spaceship around them.
00:40:46
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ah right And so we see Clark get separated from Jor-El and Lara and from everyone else, and we see a lot of those spaceships get destroyed.
00:40:57
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And ah Clark, or Kal-El, I guess, after after he gets through like that big explosion, ah shouts for anyone, and there's no response, and it's the only ship we see.
00:41:13
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Here's the problem. Crypto's in a ship. And I gotta say, I like a lot of this book. ah i ah I think everything about it is great.
00:41:25
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ah Rafa Sandoval's art in this, the way he draws Crypto is perfect. Because when the planet's exploding and Kal-El looks over at Crypto, Crypto's just sitting in the seat of a rocket ship with his tongue out and one ear up.
00:41:39
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And then we see Jor-El and Lara, and they've got their hands against the windows, and Kal-El's got his hand reaching, and Krypto's just got his tongue out over an issue in the background.
00:41:53
Speaker
It's real biscuit behavior. oh And here is what I will say. i dug Jason Aaron's email address out from when we had him on the show years and years ago.
00:42:09
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ah hu I emailed him. I don't know if it's still his email address or if it's still active, but I said, does Crypto live?
00:42:17
Speaker
Because I gotta know. Because we don't see Crypto explode. Right. and And Crypto would not be able, Crypto's a dog, so he would not be able to respond to Kal-El shouting for anyone But we also don't see that ship.
00:42:34
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And it's very um ambiguous. And if yeah ah Crypto doesn't survive the destruction of Krypton, this is the worst comic I've ever read. The end. That's fair.
00:42:45
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that's That's a fair assessment. I do appreciate, though... the door being left open to a lot of Kryptonians potentially still being alive, yeah including Lara and Jor-El.
00:42:58
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We see a group of them blow up, ah but I do feel like the potential is there for Jor-El and Lara to to still exist, which would be like a, a heat like that's as big a change as, as Martha Wayne still being alive, you know? Right.
00:43:14
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Yeah. Um, also the, the thing that fascinated me most about this, this issue is the, okay. So the, the, we see the nanobots that become Superman's cape, but they don't look the same when they're like getting on the ship.
00:43:35
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They look kind of just like energy surrounding people's bodies. The reason Clark's cape looks like it does, or Superman's cape looks like it does, is because he's emulating what the dirt of Krypton looks like.
00:43:51
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Well, it we also see, before that, though, we do see when Krypto saves him, when he's almost killed, Krypto's got the nanomachines as a cape.
00:44:02
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Yeah, yeah. Before Clark does. But that's the that's the nanomachines being surrounded by red Kryptonian dirt. Yeah. And i love that's the way that Clark now, on Earth, is honoring his own planet.
00:44:17
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And I think that's rules, actually. Yeah, no, Absolute Superman is, for now, an extremely good comic, um and could at any moment turn into a very bad comic. Yeah, time will tell. Maybe Jason Aaron will will reply to your email and we'll know. i have a Look, I have a lot of trust in Jason Aaron, and if that trust is betrayed, and and and this dog but didn't make it to Earth to become Crypto the Superdog, I will be extremely upset.
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00:44:47
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The next book we want to talk about is All-New Venom No. 4. Which is, has not, still not said definitively who the new Venom is, but suspects are being eliminated. Yeah, I mean, I think by the end of this issue, I'm pretty sure we're down to one of the ones that we thought it was.
00:45:10
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is i mean, i thought i thought there were still two left. Well, ah we do do we want to just get into it? Yeah, let's get into it. If you haven't read Venom 1 through 4, skip ahead, because we're going to have to talk about spoiler stuff to talk about this issue.
00:45:29
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Okay, so at the end... We know it's not Madame Mask. We know it's not Madame Mask. We know it's not Rick Jones. We know it's not Rick Jones. We know it's not Luke Cage.
00:45:40
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Okay, do we know for sure that it's not Luke? Someone said like when they shot at the symbiote earlier that whatever the symbiote body is, it's the person inside it is smaller than Luke Cage.
00:45:52
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And also, ah they say in this issue that Luke Cage was live on air the last time Venom was doing something.
00:46:05
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I think that there are ways to explain out of both of those things. Well, I mean, yeah, Matt, it's it's Marvel Comics. ah But yes, okay, so Robbie Robertson is maybe the only one left for sure.
00:46:19
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I also think that there's a way to explain out of Madam Mask. Like, that somehow the the the Venom symbiote, even though she's she and the Venom symbiote are seen together in this issue...
00:46:35
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ah that somehow like it's operating with her outside of it, but she's still Venom somehow. We do know now that it is not Rick Jones, because Rick Jones is the sleeper agent, as revealed at the end of this issue.
00:46:52
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Yeah. ah Which is which is pretty bonkers. This issue is also a lot about... like Or at least at at the beginning.
00:47:03
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It is a lot about sort of an ongoing effort to get get rid of symbiotes. Yeah, the Matt Wilson initiative, they call it.
00:47:19
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so So Ripcord and Flash Thompson are working for this organization that for now is just kind of like housing symbiotes. We see toxin at the start of this issue.
00:47:32
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It's called SCAR. It's called SCAR. Which is an acronym. That is correct. They're currently in the process of like figuring out a way to get these symbiotes off-world somewhere else.
00:47:45
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And essentially no other planet will take them at this point. And so, as of now, they're just kind of like sitting tight. I mean, look, that's fair, though.
00:47:58
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Yeah. And it it seems like Rick Jones is the sleeper agent is probably maybe a part of that, most likely.
00:48:10
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But I'm sure we'll find out more as we go. This is also an issue where MODOK gets fired out of a gun, and that rules. Yeah, MODOK has been shrunk down with pin particles, and then is fired out of a gun like a bullet.
00:48:21
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and then Out of had a better a Mask Gun, specifically. Out of Mask Gun, and then ah is shot into Venom's head, and then explodes out of Venom's head. Yep.
00:48:34
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That shit owns. That shit's great. Now, Madam Mask was not originally shooting at Venom. ah it Originally, Madam Mask is shooting at ah the leader of AIM so that MODOK can become the leader of AIM again.
00:48:50
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But Venom jumps in front of the bullet, and so... Little MODOK goes into Venom's head, yeah. ah It's great. it's It's very good. There's a scene where MODOK returns to his normal size, oh and before he bursts out of Venom's head like a balloon, Venom's head is shaped like MODOK.
00:49:13
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yeah Which is extremely good. it's great It's a great visual. ah this is This is written by Ewing. And Carlos Gomez is doing the art on this. And it is top notch.
00:49:26
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It's very, very fun. Here's the thing. I do feel like this has to have been a cheat. Because there's no way it's Robbie.
00:49:37
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Right? There's no way it's Robbie. It could be.
00:49:43
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I think there's still a chance it could be Luke.
00:49:48
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i i But you're the you're thinking it's you're thinking it's none of the four original suspects. I'm thinking it's none of the four original suspects, and that's the cheat. Yeah, yeah. Because, like, there's no way it's Robbie.
00:50:06
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Well, Robbie is only seen in one brief scene in this issue, where he's talking to Rick. yeah and and like I love it when characters have ah ah thought bubbles that are like very mysterious. They're like, but you know he's not Venom, don't you, Rick?
00:50:25
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Or am I the only one who knows that?
00:50:31
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I often think in in cryptic ah riddles, just in case anyone's listening. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. At the end of that scene, Robbie's like, hey, i ah hold my calls. I gotta go.
00:50:44
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Glory, hold my calls. I need to step out. Which might indicate that he's Venom. I don't know. It's more likely that Glory Grant is Venom. that would be That would actually kind of rule.
00:50:57
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Yes. I just feel like... Look, it's Al Ewing. I'm sure that he is fully capable of pulling off something that will be delightful and enjoyable.
00:51:09
Speaker
And if it's if it's Robbie, then it's Robbie. And I'm sure that will also be good. But I am i'm feeling pre-frustrated it being a cheat, because i that's how much I don't think it's Robbie.
00:51:26
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So maybe maybe I'll be wrong, or maybe I'm right and it'll be just fine. there'll be ah There'll be a ah way to do that twist that we didn't just didn't see coming. Finally, Chris, you wanted to talk about Batman Dark Patterns No. 4, which I have not read, but I'm interested to hear about.
00:51:43
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Yeah, I read the first issue of this, or i so I started to read the first issue of this back when it came out, ah which was prior to us reading the Sword of Azrael miniseries that we both really liked.
00:51:56
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Right. ah That was also written by Dan Waters. ah And I didn't finish the issue, but I read all four of them today. um i didn't finish ah the issue the first time I was reading it.
00:52:10
Speaker
And reading through number one, I realized that it was because i think on the first page, like first or second page, Batman, it's it's on page two, Batman is is talking about what's going on in Gotham City, and he says, ah these are vicious wild dogs who roam like wolves, killing cats and terrorizing pensioners.
00:52:32
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And I feel like that's where I stopped reading, because I was like, we don't call them that.
00:52:41
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We do not call them pensioners. and Retirees is what Americans would call them. Retirees. Senior citizens. That is what we would call them. I don't know that Dan Waters is isn't isn't from around here.
00:52:54
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ah But that would seem to indicate it. Here's the thing. I do not blame Waters for that. That's an editorial catch. Right. that Dan Waters is, in fact, English.
00:53:06
Speaker
Yeah. So you you caught it, yeah. ah But that that is absolutely an editorial catch ah that should have been made. I don't think I was like, I threw down the issue in disgust. I was just like, oh, I have like six other things I need to read before the show. Matt just texted me and told me to read.
00:53:20
Speaker
don't know. what whatever What comics do we read? to Or I was like, fuck this, here's Jenny Sparks. Also likely. But I did read through it all today. um i thought this was a miniseries, but I guess it's an ongoing, because we're into the second story arc.
00:53:40
Speaker
So either it's it's broken down into chapters, or we're getting just getting like another Batman ongoing. Either way. It didn't strike me, the first arc, as being as good as the Azrael miniseries, but it is very similar in tone and influence and the way that it's presented.
00:53:57
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But then I got to number four in the start of the second story arc. Matt, do you know what the second story arc's about? I have no idea. The second story arc is basically Block Mania ah from Judge Dredd.
00:54:10
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okay There's a like ah tenement that's going to get torn down, and the residents don't want to leave. And so a couple of cops go in to try and get him out before the building is destroyed, and then the cops get kidnapped and one of them gets murdered.
00:54:27
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And so Batman goes in only to find out that A... The acoustics in this building, because it's a Gotham City building, are such that nothing is where it sounds like it is.
00:54:42
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Which is a very interesting premise right from the start, and is also like really well depicted. The art by Hayden Sherman. That's problem number one.
00:54:54
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Problem number two is that ah this building is Scarface. The puppet. Mm-hmm. like They've got Scarface, and ah Batman like smashes up the puppet, and then... I'm going to send you this page.
00:55:15
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We see a but like a bunch of people putting on like Scarface masks, and then like leaning out of the of the balconies and like drawing, like spray painting, and somebody flips over their sofa and and shoves it through a balcony.
00:55:33
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and And, buddy, it's Scarface? theigar The cigar is is the couch. The couch is the cigar. The whole building is Scarface. The whole building is Scarface.
00:55:44
Speaker
Scarface is like, I got a new body. Or I got a new Gotti, I guess, so he says. ah And I'm fucking Scarface. And I'm a building.
00:55:55
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That's a pretty great idea. I saw that and I was like, got gotta give it up. Gotta give it up. I'm going to send you this so i've send you a screenshot of this page real quick. Okay.
00:56:07
Speaker
The sofa sticking out of the balcony to make his little cigar is... well Pretty good. might good Excellent stuff. oh But yeah, i this was the issue where I was like, that's that Asriel shit I liked.
00:56:25
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do Very fun Batman dark patterns. Also, Batman does wear his real clothes in it. He's got that he's got the the yellow circle, yeah. you know he's got it's It's not even an oval, it's a circle. Yeah, it's it's the it's it's like the the Batman trademark.
00:56:39
Speaker
this It's the keychain logo. hu It's the BatSignal logo, but yeah. Would you believe that on Gotham, there's just a part where Jim Gordon is just shining a spotlight from the roof of the GCPD with like nothing on it? It's just like a regular spotlight?
00:56:54
Speaker
I absolutely believe that, yeah. It's fucking funny, dude.
00:57:00
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The art in this is great. It's like really creative page layouts. yeah Hayden Sherman's not somebody that I was super familiar with, but the the layouts alone are like really engaging and like they're unusual, but not in a way that detracts from the storytelling.
00:57:22
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And more than anything else, what it reminds me of not in the style, but just in layout is J.H. Williams. The third. Yeah.
00:57:33
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Yeah. I see that. Yeah. All right. We we've got a little long here and we've got raw to get to. So but might not be able to do all four of them that. blurb We're going to try. Let's get raw.
00:57:45
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Let's do it. All right, Chris, before we get back to regular raw submissions, I do have two more submissions from line steppers whose submissions got lost in the shuffle somehow.
00:58:05
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Okay. So we're going to clear both of those out before we get to the regular raw submissions that will close us out. The first line step for submission is from Christopher Wallace.
00:58:19
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That's my name. Who submits this moment. Spy Family, Chapter 85. Okay. in Nightfall hits Wheeler so hard she breaks every bone in her own arm that whips him with her other dislocated arm.
00:58:35
Speaker
Damn, I don't know if, like, don't know if I got that far in Spy Family. Like, I thought I was caught up, but I don't remember that. That shit sounds good. It sounds pretty raw, dude. Yeah, man.
00:58:47
Speaker
There's a lot of pretty raw stuff in Spy Family for what is essentially a like comedy book. Yeah. let's Let's see here. What chapter is it?
00:58:59
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It's apparently in chapter 85. Yeah, man. That does happen.
00:59:07
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That... owns pretty hard, actually. Alright, I have not read this, so so this is this is entirely your call. Here's the thing. Human beings are prevented from unleashing 100% of their strength by subconscious mental inhibitors.
00:59:21
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For if they were to utilize their full strength, they would risk serious damage to their muscles and bones. This is also literally almost word for word what happens in the first three issues of ah Batman Dark Patterns, by the way.
00:59:36
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oh But in her brain, all the mental inhibitors have been broken. And that is when he's ah she's like, ah you have no hope of beating me.
00:59:48
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And he goes, what a load of crap. You've lost the use of both arms and one leg. If I can just put some distance between us, there's nothing you can do to attack me. And then she does whip him with her dislocated arm.
01:00:00
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I guess I did read this. This shit owns, man. Okay. I don't think I read this yet. i think this was I think this was a spoiler. I don't think I was caught up.
01:00:12
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I thought I was caught up. Well, this happened a while ago, apparently. this like chapter ah Chapter 84 is 2023, according to the Viz website.
01:00:25
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Okay, there have been... they're They're all the way up to chapter 112, from what I can see here. Yeah. So, I'm trying to remember, like...
01:00:38
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All I've been reading lately is One Piece. Yeah. so and And when I opened this up, no, when I opened it up, it was on the last page. So I definitely did read it before ah and somehow forgot about how hard it rocks.
01:00:52
Speaker
I guess I gotta reread Spy Family. i' Oh, no. Oh, no.
01:00:58
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Well, give me a spot. Give me a spot. don't know, man. Whipping somebody in the face with your own dislocated arm, that is... That's pretty tight.
01:01:12
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pretty That's pretty tizzite. So she broke her arm her one arm. How did she dislocate her other arm? She ah punched a guy so hard that, as the question says, she punched this guy so hard that are it broke every bone in her own arm.
01:01:32
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Right, but what happened to the other arm? It was dislocated in the fight. he The guy she's fighting dislocated it. Okay, okay, okay.
01:01:43
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Yeah, man. Spyfield looked pretty good. but I'm sorry, I'm just getting distracted reading this because it owns...
01:01:54
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God, that rocks.
01:01:58
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We need a number. We need a number. man Matt, you really want me to get through this entire list of Thursday Night Raw submissions and not just sit here and silently reread all of Spy Family.
01:02:10
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Yes, I want us to do the show while we do the show. ah i mean, it's pretty good. i would say it's... The fact that I didn't remember it, I think, it says more about me than the moment I don't know. I think it says something about it, too.
01:02:30
Speaker
Honestly. I think it means it's not in probably like the top half of the list. It's probably not in the top half. But I was thinking about um at number 73, we have One Piece Chapter 81, Luffy giving Nami his hat and going to fight Arlong, which is pretty rad. And I do have ah vivid, clear memory of that.
01:02:49
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her So this probably isn't as good a moment as that, but I think that's the neighborhood.
01:02:58
Speaker
Like, I think probably ain't as good as when Clea turned that man to bones. All right. Because she turned a man ah into of bones, Matt. There's bones inside you, and she did something, and that was all there was of that man.
01:03:13
Speaker
That man became... He was other stuff bones. And bones. And then he was just bones, yeah. She removed the non-bones. Correct, yeah. From the situation, which you cannot live without that stuff.
01:03:29
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Just Bones? I've never seen those be alive in real life. I've never seen them be alive in real life. yeah I've seen them be alive in a lot of stuff, but that's fantasy.
01:03:42
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Not in real life. That's ah that's a flight of fancy, is what that is. I think it's better than Ikari telling Daredevil try the red one. I don't know if it's as good as Liberty Bell stabbing Hitler with the Cosmic Rod.
01:03:56
Speaker
Okay, so this is the new number 85. The new number 85. But man, I gotta reread this. I gotta reread this whole arc of Spy Family. It's a pretty good moment.
01:04:08
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Just, ah even out of context, it it's pretty good, yeah. Alright, that's the new number 85. The final Line Stepper submission for Thursday Night Raw comes from Austin Wilden.
01:04:26
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And this is from the original Kamen Rider manga by Shotaro Ishinomori.
01:04:34
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It's Kamen Rider telling Batman that he pities him but can't allow him to live before staking him with a cross-shaped gravestone. Chris, are you familiar with this moment?
01:04:46
Speaker
Oh, I'm pretty sure I've written about that moment, Matt. Okay, yeah. Do you know that in the the first volume of Kamen Rider, Kamen Rider fights Bat-Men and Spider-Spaceman?
01:05:03
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Tracks. track Tracks for, for I think, that era of manga. Yeah. ah i'm I'm trying to... to to find where I, uh, I wrote, I did write about this on, uh, on old comics Alliance, which is not loading.
01:05:30
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There it goes. Rest in peace. Comics Alliance. Rod in purgatory. I mean, it's still like some kind of weird shambling zombie.
01:05:41
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It really is. It's, ah Where stuff gets posted on there, like stuff about like fucking Daredevil Born Again gets posted on there sometimes. but Yeah, this whole story arc kicks ass, actually. If you've never read Kamen Rider, Shatara Ishinomori, legend.
01:06:03
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Like, obviously. You know, guy invented Power Rangers. Yeah. I invented Super Sentai and Kamen Rider. like And did the best Legend of Zelda comic.
01:06:17
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ah ah But yeah, this is essentially that that issue of ah Mr. Miracle where he fights the whole apartment building, but they're vampires that have been taken over by Bat-Dash Man.
01:06:32
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Yeah, I sent you the panel. He stabs him with a... ah a giant crucifix gravestone and kills him stone dead.
01:06:42
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It is full-ass gravestone right through the chest. Yeah, and before that, right before that, he ah stomps on the back of his head and tears his wings off with his bare hands.
01:06:58
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Kamen Rider kicks ass. come right kicks ah In both a literal sense and a metaphorical one, like, he is a cool guy, but also, he beats the living shit out of people.
01:07:14
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Right. um Right. He just, like, doesn't fuck around, man. and oh In fact, that is the last line of this column that I wrote. ah Is that Kamen Rider doesn't fuck around? Yeah, man, it's pretty good! doesn't feel Doesn't feel conflicted about it for a second.
01:07:33
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Well, he's a dangerous monster. He's a a dangerous monster. He's to rip off his wings and stab him with ah with a crucifix. He made his decision. Kamen Rider made his decision and he stuck by it.
01:07:46
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He did. ah You got to. Hey, you got to stand for something. True. that's That's what Kamen Rider says. don't know, man. This is pretty hard.
01:07:59
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it's it's it's It's pretty hard. Where do you think it goes?
01:08:04
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i I feel it doesn't have... Okay. Some of the moments on the list have comedy. We've talked about that. like like yeah a good raw moment does make you laugh a little bit.
01:08:18
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Often, yeah. But you know that part of of um Godzilla, King of the Monsters? ah The recent-ish film?
01:08:30
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Where... ah Godzilla, after he beats up all the other monsters, just, like, stands there and, like, screams and shoots radioactive fire into the sky, and it cuts to bret ah ah Brad Whitford on the helicopter, and he goes, Jesus.
01:08:52
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Right. Which is my favorite moment in any of those movies, because it's the only time we're like, if you saw Godzilla, you'd be like, Jesus Christ, that's Godzilla. That's Godzilla. oh I love that because that's a very people should react in ways that we relate to to things like that um what I'm saying is there's no comedy in this moment it's just you see this and you're like Jesus Christ he fucked that guy up i i I might disagree that there's no comedy there's no intentional comedy
01:09:33
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But I think you might see this and laugh. I mean, look, nothing is as funny as the Golden Age Human Torch burning Hitler to death. No, I don't. i don't If that's not intentionally funny, then it's the most unintentional comedy I've ever seen in anything in my life, because I can't stop laughing at it months later.
01:09:56
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This is not that funny, but it is pretty funny, the way that he just like jams that gravestone right into Batman. you like See, that's the thing. I don't see that as funny.
01:10:09
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like I get it, though. It's the...
01:10:13
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i get it though ah yeah it's it's it's the
01:10:19
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exaggerated nature of it that makes it funny. i feel It is quite exaggerated, yes. Yeah. yeah I don't know. like Because what I was looking at was Punisher clang, clang, clang, squitching Doom.
01:10:32
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That is also a moment that that's kind of funny. yeah yeah that That's definitely intentionally funny. yeah like Garth Ennis thought that was hilarious when he wrote it. Like, 100%.
01:10:43
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ah hundred percent
01:10:47
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I was about to do a Garth Ennis impression, and then I realized i was just going to do like a bad Irish accent, and it would probably make people very angry with me. But yeah, he definitely thought that was funny. I don't know if Ishinomori thought this was funny, or if he was like, man, he fucked that dude up.
01:11:05
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Yeah, hard to say. Hard to say. ah I... e
01:11:12
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I don't know if this is as good as Lockheed ripping out Sebastian Shaw's fucking eye.
01:11:19
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That's pretty raw. That's pretty raw. That's pretty raw.
01:11:25
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But I do think it's better than Hulk telling Black Bolt he didn't come to the moon for a whisper. I would agree with that.
01:11:34
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So what number does that make it? I don't think it's going spark the good dog. I think it's the new number 65. So above Silver Surfer serving the moon into Galactus. Yeah, you ever tried to pick up a a Tombstone? They're heavy.
01:11:48
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i Yeah, i can um I can imagine as much. ah So, okay, the new number 65, Kamen Rider kills Batman with a gravestone.
01:12:01
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See, Matt, we're halfway through already, and you you thought we couldn't make it. i I did say I didn't think we could. i just said I didn't know.
01:12:12
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You didn't believe in us, and I did.
01:12:16
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Our next submission is from Ashley Steven, who ah gives us this. The first time Kinshiro says, you are already dead in Fist of the North Star.
01:12:30
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ah I know we don't have a lot of time.
01:12:36
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Matt, I know we don't have a lot of time. Yeah. Oh, oh, oh, oh. Oh, Matt, you didn't believe in us. Oh, Matt, you didn't believe that we could do it. Matt, I know we don't have a lot of time.
01:12:50
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So I think in the interest of making sure that we can speed this up, I think, look, there's a lot of talk about about AI out there and how it's bad and awful and gets things wrong a lot ah and uses too much power and oh people keep putting it in shit and nobody actually wants it.
01:13:13
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well and That's bad. But we, I will say, the machine is not powered by generative AI. No, the machine is is um just programmed with the reactions we know we have, we will have.
01:13:34
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Yeah, it's, it's yeah we well, it's and it's also objective. Correct, yeah. like There is a little bit there's a little bit of us in it in the way that there's a little bit of Dr. Noonien-Sung in Data.
01:13:50
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But Data is a a datas a living creature. Data is a unique. The mission of Star Trek is to seek out new life forms. Well, there it sits.
01:14:03
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Matt. So what I think we should do is just real quick feed this moment into the machine. And that way we can save, it'll save us some time, it'll save the listeners some time, we can automate this process.
01:14:19
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Okay. So, alright, let me put this in here. Okay. Which which chapter of Fist of the North Star is this in? it's I think it's in chapter one.
01:14:32
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Alright, I'll just, um I'm going to put in Fist of the North Star chapter one... Yeah, um because there's this guy who is ah about 15 feet tall, as some people are in Fist North Star.
01:14:46
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Right. ah He's ah kidnapped some kids oh here in the post-apocalypse. um This happens after Kinshiro kicks...
01:15:01
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These three guys, like, kicks once, hits three guys, does a backflip, and then those dudes' heads explode.
01:15:10
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And somebody watching says, Hokuto Shinken, the Divine Fist of the North Star. That's the name of the comic. Then Kinshira starts glowing and ah hits him hits his ah Meridian channeling points.
01:15:24
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As you know. Knocks that guy down. The guy is holding up a kid, and Kinshiro catches the kid. And then this old dude with the beard is like, long ago there was a terrifying art of assassination that came from China known as Hokuto Shinken, the divine fist of the North Star.
01:15:41
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And then that guy says, your punches are like mosquito bites. Guahaha, I'm gonna kill you now!
01:15:52
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Kenshiro, back to this guy. You know what he says. um motion there He says, you are already dead. That guy goes, irk, and then his entire fucking body explodes.
01:16:03
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I love that therere that all these dudes in Fist the North Star are always like, guahaha. My favorite thing Fist of the North Star is the guy who goes, guahaha, all this killing makes me want to piss.
01:16:22
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And I feel like anyone who thinks villains need motivation and sympathy needs to read Fist of the North Star and see that they are wrong.
01:16:32
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Gua-ha-ha. Like, gua-ha-ha is not an evil laugh. It's a dumbass laugh. Yeah. For sure. That's that's how a dumbass laughs.
01:16:44
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And it's how every bad guy in Fist of the North Star laughs. ah yeah just Do you have the machine? I put it in, yeah. I put in Fist of the North Star Chapter 1, You're Already Dead.
01:16:59
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Kinshiro fighting this guy. ah If you need the name of the chapter, the chapter is a Cry from the Heart. The guy with a Z666 tattoo on the side of his head. yep man.
01:17:16
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what else What else would he have? Everybody else in the gang has just the letter Z tattooed. That dude has Z666. So you know he's the one in charge.
01:17:28
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Alright, it's spitting out a card here. okay Wow, this is interesting. Oh, really? Because usually it says rules, right?
01:17:39
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This says raw. Can't argue with that. Can't argue with that. I would say, Kinshiro, this is his catchphrase.
01:17:52
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And to the point where like at one point in like volume six or seven, Kinshiro hits the channeling points on a guy and he says some dumb shit. And then a dude who's hanging out with Kinshiro goes, hey man, you're already dead.
01:18:07
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like And he's got this big smile in the panel. ah like It's his catchphrase, but every time he says it, it's great. Every time.
01:18:19
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ah the The panel of the guy exploding is so incredibly gruesome. it's It's so good. Like, you know how we talked about that that guy who got made into bones?
01:18:35
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Uh-huh. When Kinshira makes a guy explode in Fist of the North Star, it's like they don't have any bones anymore. Well, there is one move that he can do.
01:18:47
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that I believe he does later on in the first volume where he does hit a guy so hard, all of his bones jump out of his body. Yeah. But this guy, it's like, he doesn't have any bones.
01:18:59
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So when he explodes, what's underneath is just all soft tissue. It's just, it's just wet. It's organs and soft tissue and wetness. Yeah.
01:19:10
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Yeah. Uh, the, Fist of the North Star, to get back to what we were saying about Ishinomori, I don't know if Buronson knows Fist of the North Star is funny.
01:19:26
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But Tetsuo Hara, who does the art, absolutely knows it's funny. Because he like you could not draw the Looney Tunes.
01:19:38
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I've described Fist the North Star Looney Tunes could bleed. yeah if the If Wile E. Coyote had Viscera, that's what Fist of the North Star is like. It's the most hyper-violent thing in the world, and it's so fucking funny.
01:19:54
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Well, it it's that thing where like if violence gets too gruesome, too gory, too much, it that becomes cartoonish.
01:20:07
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And I think that is – I was going to say that's what Fist of the North Star becomes, but it's really what Fist of the North Star is from page one. From Jump Street.
01:20:18
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Yeah. like it's The more Fist of the North Star that I read, the more clear it is to me how much Fist of the North Star Kentaro Miura read.
01:20:30
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Because it's a similar level of violence, Mira's just like, what if I realistic this up enough, like just enough so that it's scary? Well, yeah. I mean, Mira like has talked about being a huge fan of Bronson. Yeah, i mean, he just offered ah ah like to work with Bronson.
01:20:49
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but They worked together briefly, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
01:20:55
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God, you are already dead. What a badass catchphrase. A great catchphrase, yeah. The coolest shit anyone could say. I don't know if there's any realistic martial arts maneuver like that, where somebody can like... Punch you so hard that your skeleton jumps out of your body?
01:21:17
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No, that's not the one I'm talking about. I'm talking about like hitting all the pressure points... And then the delayed reaction of, like, you collapse or whatever.
01:21:30
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But, like, Buronson being like, wouldn't it be cool as fuck if he, like, did all this stuff and then the person's okay for a minute and they'll be like, you tickled me.
01:21:42
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And then Kinshiro could be like, you're already dead. And, like, it is... Cool as hell, but again, like cartoonish and totally unrealistic, right? like i so I've read hundreds of pages of Fist of the North Star, and I can tell you, it is a book that reads like every creative decision began with the phrase, wouldn't it be cool as shit?
01:22:11
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But that's that's the shit we're here for, right? like yeahs like Yeah, man. This is top-of-the-list material. Like, you are already dead?
01:22:22
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Oh, yeah. That's like...
01:22:28
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The top ten is really strong. Number ten is, it was a nice piece of work, Kingpin, you shouldn't have signed it. And I don't yeah think it's that good. But I... I mean... Like, if but if we're talking about raw, if we're talking about just pure rawness...
01:22:46
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it's I think it might be more raw than Storm Stabbing Callisto with a with a knife. It is an animal raw. It is animal raw, yeah. like Like, the top ten is the top ten because those things are raw and, like, ah really good.
01:23:05
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Yeah. and I mean, this is also raw and really good, but it's also funny. it's It's certainly more raw than good. And it is good.
01:23:16
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Don't get me wrong. I like Fist North Star. Fist of North Star is a I think, pretty well-crafted comic for its genre. But it is more raw than good.
01:23:27
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Yeah. I think number 13, the new number 13, is a great place for this. So you would put it below Batman shooting Darkseid with a god bullet? I think that is more raw and more good than this.
01:23:39
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Okay.
01:23:42
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ah It's pretty good. It's pretty good. like we We talked about how that Storm moment that this is going just above is Storm saying, y'all forgot who I was, right?
01:23:54
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This is Kinshiro being like, you did you fucked with the wrong guy. is Kinshiro saying, here's who I am. Here's who I am. but But also, like every time Kinshiro says, you're already dead, what he's saying is, you fucked with the wrong guy.
01:24:11
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Which is great. Yeah, I posted on Blue Sky not too long ago, like, you and i we often talk about the wrongest person in the world who is anyone Usagi Yojimbo who says... um That Manji Ronan.
01:24:27
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he can't He can't take us all, he's just some Manji Ronan. yeah And then I posted the most correct person in the world, who is a dude who is in the process of his head exploding, saying, we messed with the wrong guys.
01:24:39
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Correct. You are right. You did. you You messed with the wrong dudes because you messed with a guy who can punch you so hard your head will explode in 30 seconds.
01:24:51
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oh Alright. This might be the last addition to the Raw list. And if it is, i think it is absolutely perfect.
01:25:04
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Okay. An absolutely perfect last entry. Okay. This is unless we already have it, but I don't think we do. Yeah, we don't have it. All right, this is from ah Joe Giamarco, who says, When it comes to raw stuff, I immediately thought of Kyle Starks' sex castle.
01:25:27
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Goon, you ever hear the phrase, you brought a knife to a gunfight? Shane's sex castle. This is worse than that. You brought a you to a me fight.
01:25:37
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That is one of the best lines ever written in comics. it's It's so good. i read that, and I was already a i was already at Kyle Starks guy when Sixth Castle came out. right like I've been on that train since Ricky Thunder.
01:25:54
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Legend Ricky Thunder, yeah. and But I don't know if i i knew Kyle at that point. Certainly I didn't know him as well as i as we know him today.
01:26:06
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But I remember reading that and laughing, getting mad, and then laughing again. Because that's that's so good.
01:26:20
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it's It's perfect. And it feels like
01:26:27
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the phrasing of it feels so effortless.
01:26:32
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I mean, that's the magic of that's the magic of Kyle. It was right there in front of us the whole time. Yeah. Like,
01:26:43
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for other people, they would write a line like, you brought a you to a me fight.
01:26:51
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And then they would be chasing that for the rest of their career. Trying to recapture that glory.
01:27:03
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And probably to diminishing returns, right? Mm-hmm.
01:27:11
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Kyle ken has just got those. He's, the like, yeah, like, it's ah it's a perfect line. It's a perfect line, but, like, Kyle has come up with more stuff that's as not a high point of his career.
01:27:26
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No, yeah. That's the wild thing about it. Like, I don't think childs Kyle's been chasing that ever since that. I think he's just been like, okay, what's my new thing?
01:27:37
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Yeah. Look, I know. I've accepted in my heart of hearts, I'm never going to top It Not You at Gambit. You carve that out of my tombstone.
01:27:50
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That's the best one I've done. the best sentence I've written. ah it's It's my wife's favorite line that I've ever written. people i've Someone got a tattoo of it, which I think is great. I love it.
01:28:03
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But like I've accepted i'm not I'm not getting that high again.
01:28:11
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Kyle, like this was just like... I don't know if Kyle stopped after he wrote that line. you know I don't know if he sat back in like And was like, what a great line.
01:28:22
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I think he just went on to the next page. Sex Council also has, are you okay? Just kidding. Fuck you. ah but But it's worth noting that but immediately after you brought it you to a U2Mii fight, there is a bit where a dude in a hot dog t-shirt...
01:28:46
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pulls out a gun, Sexcastle kicks the gun out of his hand, punches through that guy's stomach, the gun falls into Sexcastle's hand, he catches it, he tosses it onto a roof, and then he whips all the rest of those guys' asses, ending with a German suplex onto a Hummer.
01:29:07
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Uh-huh.
01:29:11
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Like... That whole sequence is raw as fuck. Yeah, man.
01:29:22
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You brought a you to a me fight. You brought a you to a me fight. Amazing. God, it's good. It's so good.
01:29:33
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It's like, and again, i love it. It makes, I smile and I'm mad.
01:29:44
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like
01:29:53
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Last time I saw a guy stupid looking as you was in prison. We called him dog fucking idiot. Yeah? Would they call you in prison? Pretty lady Cyclops? No. They called me sir.
01:30:09
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What a good comic. What a great comic, yeah. Also, the guys that he says that to are named Big Sur, E, and The Bus. The Bus, yeah. oh
01:30:23
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God. It's good, man. It's pretty good. man pretty good It's pretty good. Sex Castle also has the line, go fuck a polar bear. Yeah.
01:30:35
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Yeah, man. Like, this is this is the moment that we should have cited. Like, this is the text. Like, this, and you had your chance, now it's my turn, are the textbook examples.
01:30:48
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Because when we talk about it's like, it's badass, but it's also funny, and you know somebody's about to get their ass kicked, and they do. yeah Like, it's not as, like, it's not the, like, if you say a badass line and then don't kick somebody's ass, then that's nothing.
01:31:08
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You know, that's that's that's nothing. But this is like, yeah, these guys are about to get fucked up, and then they absolutely do. Like, it's... It is a perfect line.
01:31:23
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And it is a perfect Raw moment. And you're right, I cannot imagine anything fitting this list better.
01:31:35
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I think it's definitely better than the other Kyle Starks moment we have on the list. I think it's the perfect capstone to the list, yeah.
01:31:45
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Where are you putting it? I don't know. I think i think it's up around Kinshiro saying the guy's already dead. It might not quite be that raw.
01:31:56
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ah But I think it's above the Lone Wolf and Cub moment we have at 15. That shit's good, too. That shit's good, too. but it i i mean I think you're right. I'm just saying, that shit's good.
01:32:11
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Yeah. is this Is this top ten? i You brought Unimew fight better than it was a nice piece of work, Kingpin.
01:32:22
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I don't know. It might be number ten. I don't think it's above you had your chance, now it's my turn. I don't think it's above that, either. I don't think it's above Magneto putting the Red Skull in a hole.
01:32:35
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I mean, I don't think it's above You're Already Dead. Okay. Okay. But it might be just below it.
01:32:46
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Okay. All right. then Then, yeah. Yeah. I think that's i think that's where i think it's where it goes. Yeah. All right. The two greatest things anyone has ever said.
01:32:58
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ah And that gets us to... A hundred, exactly. do do we want to run down the whole list? We can. ah ah we're We're low on time, but ah we can quickly read off the list if people want to hear that.
01:33:14
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All right, here we go. Here's here's the the whole list of the 100 rawest moments in comics as submitted by our listeners and ranked by us. Number 100. Batman swoops down to fight Leviathan in the Suit of Sorrows in a prototype es exoskeleton while hopped up on Man-Bat Serum ah for Batman Inc.
01:33:30
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Tombstone spearing Spider-Man through the window into the next issue of the comic. ah Number 98. Hulk throws Blade, who cannot turn into a bat, into the air. Number 97. Punisher shoots a 100-year-old man in the face at his own birthday party.
01:33:48
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Number 96, Bombshell Big Barda beats Nazis to death with another Nazi. Number 95, Tippy Toe's Plan B is giving Squirrel Girl Mjolnir. ah Number 94, Earth to Invaders Drop Dead, which a crossword puzzle did inform me was a reference to an actual headline, which I didn't know when we ranked that.
01:34:06
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ah About LBJ, I believe. ah Number 93, Batman gives Joe Chill his gun back and tells him sweet dreams, and then Joe Chill shoots himself in the head.
01:34:18
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Uh, number 92, Aztec sacrifices himself to blow up Mageddon, the anti-sun. Number 91, Nix Wotan tells Ultraman's corpse that no one fucks with the judge of all evil. Number 90.
01:34:30
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That's from Final Crisis, number seven. The Avengers have words with Ultron from Ultron Unlimited. Number 89, Ikari tells Daredevil try the red one. Number 88, punching someone so hard you break every bone in your own arm and then whipping them with your other dislocated arm across the face from Spy Family. Uh,
01:34:48
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Number 87, Liberty Bell stabbing Dynaman, who has Hitler's brain the his chest with a broken cosmic rod. I believe after just a real hard kick to the nards.
01:35:03
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ah Number 86, to me, my Galactus. Franklin Richards having Galactus as his herald. Number 85, Etrigan deconsecrates a church in the pages of Hitman. Number 19. 84, Captain America grows to Kaiju size ah to fight Kang. 83, Green Arrow and the Atom killed Darkseid.
01:35:20
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82, Catwoman moves Prometheus right in the beanbag.
01:35:26
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81, the champion didn't beat the thing. He'll never beat the thing. That's from Marvel 2 and 1 Annual 7. We could switch off to 20s. Okay. Number 80, Clea ain't from around here and she turns a man into bones. That's from Strange number 1.
01:35:41
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Number 79, John Constantine tricks three devils into saving his life from Hellblazer number 45. Number 78, Hellboy beats the Crooked Man to death with a blessed shovel. That's from Hellboy the Crooked Man.
01:35:52
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Number 77, Professor X puts Sabertooth in a hole in House of X. Everybody agrees to put Sabertooth in a hole. They said he goes in the hole.
01:36:04
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Yeah, number 76, Luffy gives Nami his hat and goes to fight Arlong in One Piece. Number 75, the Phantom Lady throws a fencing sword through a man. One of our two Golden Age moments on the list. Number 74, the Glory Boat.
01:36:19
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Number 73, Moon Knight makes sure Man Mountain Marco won't see his daughter. That's from Devil's Reign, Moon Knight. Number 72, Daredevil declares himself kingpin.
01:36:30
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From Daredevil number 50. Number 71, Jetman tells Smack's, break her fucking neck, son. That's in top 10. Number 70, Punisher. Clang, clang, clang, clang, squitch Dr. Doom in Punisher kills the Marvel Universe.
01:36:44
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Number 69, nice. ah Hulk tells Black Bolt he didn't come to the moon for a whisper in World War Hulk number one. Number 68, Silver Surfer surfs the moon into Galactus from Silver Surfer, the 2014 series, number nine.
01:36:58
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Number 67, Kamen Rider stabs Batman with a crucifix-shaped gravestone. Number 66, Sparky the Good Dog drives a car into a cop in Dead of Winter. Number 4.
01:37:09
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Number 65, Lockheed rips out Sebastian Shaw's eye and spits it into a fire in Marauders. Number 16. Number 64, Ghost Rider rides Thor's hammer and kicks him in the face with his motorcycle in Avengers. Number 214.
01:37:25
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Number 63, Batman leaves a note for Dr. Hurt that says, Gotcha, in Batman and Robin number 15. Number 62, Dr. Doom steals the Beyonder's power in Secret Wars number 10.
01:37:36
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Number 61, Superman burns Mongol in Superman Annual number 11. He tells him, Burn. ah Number 60, we have the number one entry on the Thursday Night Harrowing.
01:37:49
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list. Doctor Strange sends a man to hell and then tells Johnny Storm that God and the devil are the same thing and there is no heaven because it's all just hell. ah Number 59, Batman to the Martians, ready when you are.
01:38:01
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JLA number three. Number 58, Ghost Rider beats ah the deacon to death with a big old Bible. Ghost Rider 25. Number 57, Damien says, I'm surprised the son of Satan forgot what they did to the son of God.
01:38:13
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That's a good one. ah Number 56, American Barbarian wants R-E-V-E-N-G-E!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
01:38:22
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and we're fifty five ah guess shoots a rocket out of the air because he can't shoot the dude who's firing at him from pluto ah number fifty four bruce wayne beats the dog shit out of three nazis while he's in prison number fifty three ah scrooge flips out and fights all the animals in the transvaal Number 52, Diamondback gets revenge on the Snapdragon by drowning her in a fountain.
01:38:45
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Number 51, Magneto fatally attracts Wolverine Zetabantium out of his body. ah Number 50, here is your hero, your protector. Take him and bury him.
01:38:56
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Number 49, instead I will simply break you. Should have done that also in the voice. ah Number 48, Jesse Custer fights Jody. That shit is good. ah Number 47, Batman vs. Prometheus Round 2, a problematic fave.
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ah Number 46, Gohan goes Super Saiyan 2 while fighting Cell. Number 45, Mr. Miracle stabs Darkseid to death with a knife made of godblood. Number 44, Cobra Sun pulls out the plunder.
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Number 43, Batman to Darkseid, everything you own, I'm taking it all, look up. Two different Batman fighting Darkseid moments on this list. Yeah. ah Number 42, Thanos asks Ben Grimm what time it is.
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Number 41, Doctor Doom completely suns the Purple Man. ah That's in Emperor Doom, yeah. ah Number 40, Constantine makes the devil drink holy water in Hellblazer. Number 42. Number 39, Cobra Sun and Lona Steel Rose hit the steel sunrise on God and make him bleed in Dua Powerbomb. Number seven, the second Dua Powerbomb moment on the list.
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Number 38, Spider-Man lifts the heavy thing and escapes Doc Ock's underwater base in Amazing Spider-Man. Number 33. ah thirty three Number 37, Captain UK annihilates the fury in The Mighty World of Marvel number 12.
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Number 36, Doctor Dooms gives Doctor Strange a gizmo as part of a secret plan to beat the devil in Triumph and Torment. Number 35, I'm not trapped in here with you, you're trapped in here with me, from Washington, number 6.
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Number 34, Batman turns a mud pit into an operating table in Dark Knight Returns. Number 33, Taya, that's Galactus' is hot mom, faces impossible odds and impossible gods to become the Phoenix in Defenders Beyond, number 2.
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Number 32, Balder takes up the sword and confronts Loki in Thor, number 344. Number 31, Jesse Custer says in The Voice, you better fight like hell in Preacher number 64.
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Number 30, Anton Arcane finds out how long he's been in hell in Swamp Thing Annual number 2. Number 29, KG Beast cuts his own damn hand off like an absolute freak in Batman number 419.
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Number 28, Nova punches Annihilus in his face and pulls his guts out in Annihilation number 6. Number 27, Batman fucks up the bear's dinner and puts a cloche down on a flaming dessert in Batman number 405. That's in Batman year one.
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Number 26, Thor hits the Midgar serpent so hard he breaks every bone in his own body. Thor number 380. Number 25, Son Goku punches a goddamned hole through Demon King Piccolo's torso.
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In Dragon Ball chapter 168. Number 24, Gaze into the Fist of Dread from Judge Death Lives. Number 23, The Entirety of Silent Interlude.
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G.I. i Joe number 21. That's pretty good. Number 22, Nightcrawler and Wolverine teleport into the sun to beat Mother Mold in House of X number 4. And number 21, God Doom pulls all of Thanos' bones out in Secret Wars number 8.
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A lot of bones! That's another person being made into bones. There's a lot of stuff with bones. Well, that's another one where it's like, Thanos almost definitely has other stuff in his body, but he just becomes bones. Yeah.
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And I mean, we got Fatal Attraction on there. He didn't pull his bones out, but he pulls out the stuff that's on his bones. Yeah. That's true. Yeah. At number 20, Trunks whips Frieza's ass in front of Frieza's own dad from Dragon Ball Z's Android Saga.
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ah Number 19, from Wonder Woman 2.10, Wonder Woman blinds herself with Medusa snake venom and wins. ah From Hellboy, wake the devil. At number 18, Hellboy snaps off his horns and says, screw you, kill me if you can. That's pretty good.
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ah Number 17, Cyclops says, does it need doing? Then it will be done in Powers of X number two. Number 16, Agami Ito makes Daigoro choose between the sword and the ball in Lone Wolf and Cub.
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ah Number 15, Storm stabs Kalisto in a damn knife fight on KDX-Men 170. 14, You Brought a You to a Me fight, Sex Castle. Number 13, The First Time Kinshira Says You're Already Dead, Covered It.
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Number 12, Batman shoots Darkseid with a god bullet in Final Crisis, Number 6. Number 11, Magneto puts the Red Skull in a fucking hole in Captain America 367. Number 10, it was a nice piece of work, Kingpin.
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You shouldn't have signed it. Daredevil 227. Number 9, Wolverine comes up out of the sewer and says, you had your chance, now it's my turn. From Uncanny X-Men number 132, arguably the most important moment in Marvel Comics.
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ah Number 8, where we started. Jim Gordon gives Flass the baseball bat in Batman 404, Animal Raw. Number 7, are you man or fiend from hell?
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says Ra's al Ghul to Batman, a shirtless Batman, in Batman 244. Number six, the end of the great outdoor fight, become the ruling body, dude. Number five, from Young Men number 24, what maybe you should be number one, the Golden Age Human Torch murders hitler's and Hitler, and Hitler's a real fucking crybaby about it.
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Ow! Ow! don't tell them I was killed by the Human Torch! Number four Batman digs his way out of his own damn grave in Batman 681. Number three, Magneto vs. Tarn in Sunspot vs. Iska in X-Men Red. Number three, a moment that made me and Matt flip the fuck out.
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A late entry that is so good, yeah. Number two, Scourge stands alone at Galibru in Thor number 362. A moment I did not think could be beaten until we got number one.
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Skull Knight crashing through the eclipse in Berserk Volume 13. Man. Man. If we had gotten more Berserk moments, there would be more Berserk moments on the list. But the fact that it's represented by that moment being number one is pretty great.
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