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jamie peacock: Welcome to The Loan Machinist, which is you, the work, and the machines. Welcome from the past. a Kurt decided to go on holidays or vacations, so this episode's going out while he's away. But we had a guest last week, so we're not covering what happened.
jamie peacock: So when he does get back, it's going to be a hell of a catch-up. But anyway, how are you this fine day, Kurt, and what have you got going on? Thank
Curt: I'm doing good. I'm so confused now. It's a different startup. Yeah.
jamie peacock: you.
Curt: ah This week, future, past, whatever it is, I'll talk about some titanium anodizing experiments. um How small is too small? And ah HTML website,
Curt: jargon. How about you? What are you going to talk about, Jamie, besides coughing and dying?
jamie peacock: I'm going to drink more of this stuff now tired of this. um Yeah, we're going to talk about cross-drilling 950 parts in like two hours, um how manual chucks suck, and my smaller, vast workflow that I've been adopting on the LK.
jamie peacock: But yeah, how are you this fun day, Kurt?
Curt: Nice. but I'm doing good. You sound like you're still... fighting whatever demons have crawled down into your lungs.
jamie peacock: No.
jamie peacock: I'm healed. I finished my antibiotics, therefore I am healed.
Curt: Oh, okay, that's how it works. so You sound perfectly healed, yeah.
jamie peacock: Yes.
jamie peacock: Yeah, I've just got a lingering cough now. It's much, much better.
Curt: oh Oh, okay.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Well, that's good.
jamie peacock: Yeah, no, like I slept fine last night and didn't wake up hacking a lung up all night.
Curt: Oh, that's good, okay.
jamie peacock: Yeah, so it's just now a lingering cough and having a bra yesterday afternoon didn't really help with all the smoke, but it was tasty.
Curt: Fair enough. Nice. Yeah. that's Whenever you describe those, they sound so delicious. i was like, that sounds fantastic.
jamie peacock: Yeah, and we didn't we didn't cock around. I think there were six of us and we had like seven or eight kilograms of meat.
Curt: oh That's a decent amount.
jamie peacock: South Africa style. No, but that's South Africa. because I think I ate like a kg and a half of steak. Like while I was cooking.
Curt: so much.
jamie peacock: Yeah, South African bra. We don't we don't fuck around. Yeah.
Curt: Nice. Yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah, so Carl and I only got back at like two yesterday. And then his wife came through and Danica's friends were here. So we got here, we bra-ed, and then then his wife pitched up with a whole other thing, like with their meal prep for the week. And he bra-ed all their meal prep quickly on the bra. Yeah.
Curt: Oh, nice. Nice.
jamie peacock: know, it was lacquer.
Curt: That's
jamie peacock: We had had a lot of fun yesterday afternoon.
Curt: sick. That's good. I'm glad.
jamie peacock: And there were other doggos, which was fun. I got to meet Danica's friend's new doggo. It's standard poodle. His name is Dragon. He is super cute.
Curt: But it's such an aggressive name for a poodle.
jamie peacock: Yes, I understand that poodles are frickin neurotic as hell. So her one dog had cancer and got put down like not even a month ago. But when he was diagnosed, she organized another one so that She would have a dog to fill the hole in her heart.
jamie peacock: And Griffin was very, um very, very neurotic.
Curt: Sure. Yeah.
jamie peacock: And this is the first time I've seen Phoenix, also known as Fluffetron. He has the same hairstyle as me, also a standard poodle. um It's first time I've seen him since Griffin hasn't been there. And the dog is a totally different dog.
jamie peacock: He was feeding off of Griffin's new neurotic behavior.
Curt: Oh, really?
jamie peacock: So he was always like super skittish.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: That doggo was having such a blast. Like I was the only one who could walk up and touch the dogs on the head. Like Shaz couldn't even do it. Like I would walk up and I could touch them on the head.
Curt: Hmm.
jamie peacock: No one else was allowed to touch them on the head. And since since griffin was yeah Griffin was put down, Phoenix has become a much more like chilled doggo. He's a lot happier, like a lot less neurotic.
jamie peacock: Which was quite interesting to see.
Curt: Wow.
jamie peacock: Yeah. Okay, we're having such a blast with the Rottweilers running and fetching and playing. And yeah, it was great.
Curt: Oh, that's good. That's awesome.
jamie peacock: but don anyway um Yeah.
Curt: So I say, his yeah other than dogs, how's Machining World been treating you?
jamie peacock: yeah. Yes. Yeah, machining world's fun. I'm not going to the workshop today. Because it's a Sunday.
Curt: No? ah oo you're going to do it.
jamie peacock: Danica won't let me work on Sundays. Yes.
Curt: Good.
jamie peacock: ah Doesn't mean I'm not working.
Curt: Good. That's nice.
jamie peacock: I've got anode to run.
Curt: Okay, fair.
jamie peacock: Like literally before we started recording, I went in through 400 parts in the Tumblr.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: Because as unfortunately my Tumblrs, well most of my Tumblrs, are still here. They require me to build little tables and things to move them, so I haven't moved them yet.
Curt: Okay. Well, I mean, I'll give you a little bit of a pass on tumbling because at least that's fairly like passive, like throw parts in and come back.
jamie peacock: Well, the issue is it's a it's my vibratory tumbler and it's got a bucket underneath it with a filter and a pump so that it flows water through the vibratory tumbler. To keep the media cleaner, it makes a world of difference, but it's bolted to the wall.
Curt: Mm-hmm.
jamie peacock: So now I need to build a little cart for it that I can cart it in and out at the new shop.
Curt: Oh, okay.
jamie peacock: So I can put it an outside area to let tumble.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: And I just haven't got around to it yet.
Curt: What do you find the difference between like the water flush? Does it, does it just cut faster or do you get a better finish or?
jamie peacock: Dude, like it takes takes a five hour tumbling down to like an hour and a half.
Curt: Oh, really?
jamie peacock: Yeah, it's wild.
Curt: Interesting.
jamie peacock: So I think I've got it set up every three minutes. It pumps water for like 10 seconds or so. And then I've drilled hole in the side of it it drains back to the bucket.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: And then I've got a one micron filter, I think. Like just a canister filter that it sucks the the water through from the bucket.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: So it just recirculates, but the water coming in is pretty clean. And it it cuts the time like wildly.
Curt: Huh. Okay. Good to know.
jamie peacock: Yeah. Yeah, no, no, i dude, like a game changer.
Curt: Hmm.
Curt: Hmm.
jamie peacock: Nothing compared the big tumbler, but for the little ball tumblers, drill a hole in the side of it and put a drain pop.
Curt: Interesting.
Curt: Interesting. Okay.
jamie peacock: Yeah. No, because the problem is you, you tumble and you make dust and then the dust gets stuck in the media and then the media is now smooth. So just having that constant water flush, literally it's less than a third of the time tumble stuff.
Curt: Well, I guess I wonder if it'll, cause all my, like most of my media that I tumble with is like non abrasive. Like it's all ceramic.
jamie peacock: Yeah, it's all polishing media.
Curt: So I don't know. Yeah. it's all So I don't know if it'll, I mean, it'll probably make a difference.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: but It's going to be better.
jamie peacock: worth a try.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Anyways. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Yeah. Totally.
jamie peacock: Yeah, because I used to, I used to run it wet.
Curt: Cool.
jamie peacock: And then you would see it would do really well. And then would drop off after about an hour or so that the you just get no more progress, because the media is all clogged.
Curt: Hmm.
Curt: Right. Yeah.
jamie peacock: And the water was brown, or brown, gray, from all the aluminium particles.
Curt: I mean, I guess even though mine's not abrasive and I throw all the titanium parts in there. Yeah. After a few hours, like you do get a great, like great water coming out of it. So obviously it's still braiding just differently.
jamie peacock: Yes. But yeah, the flush the flush made a world of difference.
Curt: Yeah. yeah
jamie peacock: Because I used to tumble the knives for like eight hours. I would literally throw them on before I went to bed and wake up in the morning, take them out and throw another set in and then take them out. And then I'd be running the tumbler 24-7 on eight-hour shifts.
jamie peacock: I think it was eight or ten-hour shifts.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: um Because the the performance would go down after after a few hours.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Now I throw them in there for like two hours they're done.
Curt: Sick. Okay. Interesting.
jamie peacock: and made It made a huge difference.
Curt: interest Nice.
jamie peacock: it's all It's all these little things you don't think to share.
Curt: Hmm.
jamie peacock: a
Curt: Yeah. I just, yeah. I mean, i I knew it would help, but I just like, same thing. I just throw them in and not, yeah, not worry about it, but I'm getting to the point now where, well, I'm getting a different Tumblr, but we're not going to turn it back to the Tumblr cast because I think I've been saying for years, going to get a different Tumblr.
jamie peacock: Didn't know how much
jamie peacock: Yes.
Curt: So just gla glaze over that until it actually happens.
jamie peacock: I'm excited the day that you're talking about, Ralph.
Curt: yeah i don't probably a thousand years from now so
jamie peacock: Yeah, it's one of those things that it's annoying, but not annoying enough to fix until you fix it and then realize you've been an idiot for five years.
Curt: yeah that's the thing like yeah it takes me days to tumble all the parts but like i i do exactly what you do i throw parts in there then i go do something and i throw and it's it's just it's not a bottleneck to my procedures that i don't care but like i should care because yeah
jamie peacock: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Well, I need this tumbling done this morning so that I can throw in barnacles because I need to tumble some barnacles because I just use tumbling to break all the sharp corners before I anno them today because I'm going anno six of them, I think, or eight of them.
Curt: Right.
jamie peacock: I'm just going to do as many as I can fit in in one cycle. Then going to do some risers and some other pods and ends.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: It's nice. I like having that anno set up. I need to move it to the shop, but problem for another week.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Like...
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: I think this time, I'm going to actually put a sink in my ano setup for washing parts.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: Oh, yeah.
jamie peacock: And that just drains to a bucket with a float switch and lights that if the light turns on, you need to empty the fucking buckets.
Curt: Okay. Nice.
jamie peacock: Because right now I've got a bucket, you know, you need to empty it when you hear it dripping onto the floor.
Curt: was going to say, I foresee Jamie flooding his shop a lot.
jamie peacock: Yeah, I've flooded my shop a lot. So I want to put a bigger bucket at the bottom with the the float switch or something in it to just tell me when water level is getting a bit higher. You might want to dump this out.
Curt: for uh for in like in the shop here i found these like excuse me um like portable sinks and they have a self-contained like water so you can you fill up with water and then you like pump it with your foot or you it's like an electric pump you just put it you step on it like a little accelerator pedal and it pumps water out and can wash your hands whatever and then drains in so the thing is like if you have so much water like it's not going to overflow because it
jamie peacock: OK.
Curt: it drained like you yeah you put 10 liters into it you have a 10 liter waste tank you can't actually fuck it up um so i was gonna buy one of those and then i looked at the price and i'm like for that price like if i if i equate that to time i'm like i could just like i have copper pipes like just 10 feet away i'm like and i have a drain already in here i'm like i could just do a proper sink in here i'm like that'd probably way smarter so i'm like and once again it's just it's not annoying enough so it's just kick it down the road perpetually
jamie peacock: It knows ya. Yes. Yeah.
jamie peacock: So like when I upgraded the anode setup, I put a 25 liter drum of RO water with a pump because I used to use a spray bottle to wash the parts. And then your hand gets sore.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: Then I had a pump up bottle.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: But then halfway through, the thing would run out of pressure and you'd have to pump it back up. So I then went to just a little like 12 volt pressure washer type story.
Curt: Right.
jamie peacock: And that I don't get runs anymore. it You just, you don't give a shit. You just fucking wash until the parts clean.
Curt: Yeah. Yeah.
jamie peacock: But that's got a five liter bucket on the drain that gets fed from a 25 liter container.
Curt: Okay, yeah, so you're constantly gonna be flooding yourself.
jamie peacock: So it but becomes a problem. So yeah, i want to use ah a much bigger drain bucket. And I might just buy a little pump, put two limit switches with the float switch.
jamie peacock: And when it gets to a certain level, it turns the pump onto the hits other level, the low level, and just pumps it into a drain automatically that I don't have to think about it.
Curt: yeah, yeah.
jamie peacock: But I don't want to do any permanent plumbing modifications at the new shop.
Curt: Yeah. I get that. Yeah, no, that makes sense.
jamie peacock: So, like, even where the shower is, I'm putting the RO system in there.
Curt: Oh, okay. Yeah.
jamie peacock: We don't need a shower at the shop. I haven't even turned the geyser on. If you to wash dishes, I want to boil the kettle. I'm not running a geyser for no reason.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Like, screw that shit.
Curt: Fair. Yeah. If you don't need it.
jamie peacock: Yeah, no.
Curt: Sure.
jamie peacock: Electric water heaters chow a lot of power. And now I have power monitoring. It's a problem.
Curt: my game now running around your house and or running around your shop turning off lights.
jamie peacock: Oh, I'll run around the shop, yeah.
Curt: Oh.
jamie peacock: Yeah, phase one is getting pummeled because ah yeah i need to i think the the good way is on phase one.
Curt: oh
jamie peacock: I think I need to move it on to phase three.
Curt: Okay. Okay.
jamie peacock: I also put one of the little transform the little clip-on transformers the wrong way, so it was reading negative.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: Oh, gaining power.
jamie peacock: So I had to open the panel and turn it around. A little annoying, but you not the end of the world.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: um But yeah, that's now in, but it only works with the Shelly app and well, it now works with Home Assistant, but I don't have remote access to that yet. And I haven't set the dashboards up and all that fun stuff.
Curt: Oh.
Curt: Yeah. Yeah.
jamie peacock: And then I'm also deploying my ERP as a Home Assistant add-on page, as an add-on that hosts a webpage.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: Oh, oh, cool.
jamie peacock: Yes, because we have the power on the network.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: Why not have it host the web page? So yeah, Claude built it out as a Home Assistant add-on.
Curt: I guess it's light enough. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie peacock: I need to check if it actually works the want it to work. I don't want to have to go to Home Assistant to get to the page. I want to be able to just go to an IP.
Curt: Sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie peacock: So I'll see how it's gone about handling that and then go from there.
Curt: Cute.
jamie peacock: that's on the agenda for this week is getting that all all integrated and running so that we can very quickly validate pricing on jobs.
Curt: Right, yeah. No, that makes sense for both you, yeah.
jamie peacock: Because Carl, yeah, Carl's busy with the job, but 400 pieces of hollow bar. And there's not a lot of money in the job. And he's having to load them with a manual chuck. It's quite ah entertaining for me.
jamie peacock: I'm not loading them.
Curt: Ugh.
jamie peacock: But yeah,
Curt: ah
jamie peacock: I think hydraulic chuck is going to get prioritized now on his machine because it fucking sucks. It was taking him just over a minute to clean and load a part. And the cycles, the op one is only a minute and a half.
Curt: Ugh.
jamie peacock: Like we don't have that much time on the job. So he's now going to impact driver to loosen the chuck and tighten it up again. Then he used a torque wrench and just tighten the last little bit.
jamie peacock: But now the hollow bar comes in, it's rather dirty and it's clogging his coolant lines.
jamie peacock: Like from the scale is like it's causing sludge in the coolant line. So we're redoing this coolant system tomorrow so that we can try and alleviate these issues.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: ah Yeah. And that's yeah how many are you doing, sorry?
jamie peacock: Yeah. 400 of them.
Curt: Oh, yeah, okay. So enough. Everything kind of starts to add up.
jamie peacock: Everything starts to, you start seeing problems.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: um But yeah, we're build new coolant system for them and then, or new coolant lines and then you'll be fine.
Curt: Okay. Yeah.
jamie peacock: His pump is plenty strong enough, but we're restricting it down because we're using eight millimeter pneumatic line to run to the cooler nozzles. So now we're going to go buy some some fittings on Monday morning and just build a bar that bolts to the table and has the lines, but like out of 15 millimeter galve.
jamie peacock: So decent sized pop and then just screw the nozzle straight into that.
Curt: Okay.
Curt: Okay. Okay. Yeah.
jamie peacock: We also not really fucking run. We're taking like two millimeters per side on the ODI in one pass.
Curt: Oh, okay. Yeah. Okay.
jamie peacock: Like it's not and the ball as well.
Curt: Makes sense. Yeah.
jamie peacock: Like it sounds like a popcorn machine.
Curt: Oh, yeah. Yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah, no, we fucking sending it but but also the cutting is super inconsistent. And I was worried about that. And we had it stall the spindle on one of the parts because the part was like five millimeters longer than it was supposed to be.
Curt: Ooh. Ooh.
jamie peacock: So he was all of a sudden taking like a four and a half more facing pass.
Curt: ah
jamie peacock: So we've not added another facing cross, so we're cutting air on most of them, but rather cut air on most of them than crash on a few of them.
Curt: Yeah, like and that's enough parts where it's just yeah enough and it's short enough that it's, well, yeah, you don't want to put another, like, you don't want to, like, swipe through a gauge as you're loading it because, like, it's still such a short cycle time here.
jamie peacock: Yeah. You want to have to worry about it. Yeah.
jamie peacock: No. So...
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah. So we're now are doing op 1, then we're going to switch chucks to my chuck, because I've got more soft jaws than him. And then he's going soft jaws for op 2, where we're going to turn the other side, face it, then thread it. So only op, and then threading square thread with a square grooving tool.
Curt: Oh, OK, OK.
jamie peacock: But that's going to take a couple minutes per pot. It's a ah quarter-inch pitch. It's 4 TPR. Yeah.
Curt: Oh, whoa.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Yeah, OK.
jamie peacock: it's It's going to be yeah it's going to be ah a properly fun job, but it's a recurring job that if we can do the work, let's do the work.
Curt: Yeah, beefy.
jamie peacock: like we don't get It's not paying super, super well, but hey, that 400-part run is enough to buy a chuck and put hydraulic chuck on his machine.
Curt: Right. Yeah, yeah. yeah
jamie peacock: We're prioritizing now, I want to get a chuck on his machine so that we don't have to deal with this manually tightening shit anymore.
Curt: Yeah, that sounds tedious. Yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah, it it is. It's fine when you're doing like one or two parts or 10 parts, but 400 is, it's unpleasant.
Curt: yeah Well, that's ah that's a lot of wear on that little gear for a chuck.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Like, that's that's a lot of work. Yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah, so I think hydraulic is the thing. i can let I'm literally just going to go buy one locally, pay the bit extra and just buy it locally. um And then we've just i think we're just going to have to make an adapter to adapt his draw tube to the whatever the threads on the chuck are.
Curt: Hmm.
Curt: Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie peacock: Fortunately, we have a chuck in the machine already.
Curt: What do you... How do you mean?
jamie peacock: But we have a chuck. we The draw tube's not in there.
Curt: Oh!
jamie peacock: So yeah, we have a chuck.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: We can make whatever the fuck we need to make to make it work.
Curt: Yeah, okay, see what you mean.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Yeah, yeah. Yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Nice. Nice.
jamie peacock: And then, yeah, the good way is just shitting parts out now. I cut six seconds off the cycle, off a minute and five second cycle. It's great.
Curt: nice
jamie peacock: Yeah, we actually, the coal was topping up the coolant and the percentage dropped a bit and the tap starts squeaking because not enough lubricity.
Curt: Oh really? Oh cool.
jamie peacock: So we ended up having to mix up something like 17 or 18% coolant to try and bring the concentration back up.
Curt: Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah, so we got it back up and then that thing just keeps on running. Like it's, I think it's coming up since we've, since we moved.
Curt: Sick.
jamie peacock: It's coming up on like 6,000 or 7,000 parts.
Curt: That's a lot. That's a lot of parts.
jamie peacock: It just runs all day, every day. 2,000 parts per tap, 2,000 parts per drill, and it just runs. buck That's four four yards on just on four and a half days per tap.
Curt: That's awesome. That's awesome.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: okay
jamie peacock: So we are chugging through those right now. Getting another drill is actually problem. The local supplier for the drill we're using is out of stock. I'm like, how long until they get stock? I need one in like a week's time. because we have a spare but yeah like gonna order more i've been told run all 10 000 of these pots in one go so let's do it
Curt: Right.
Curt: Yeah, nice. Yeah, dude. Well, you can
jamie peacock: if i can do them more in one month i'll invoice them all in one month i don't care gets us some nice cash flow so yeah got coal running running lathes non-stop but yeah what's happening on your side it because i've just been fucking talking and talking and talking
Curt: Yeah, yeah. Nice.
Curt: That sounds tedious.
Curt: but Excuse me. No sweat. No, I've caught whatever demonic thing you have through the microphone.
jamie peacock: Yep.
Curt: Um,
jamie peacock: I emailed it to you.
Curt: Yeah, exactly. i i Anyways, um no, I've been pissed around with ah titanium anodizing. I was for that laser thing. ah I needed to project and I'm doing one in rubber and it's just it's annoying and I'm not fired up about it. So another thing I want to do is see how small or sorry, see if I can ah fiber etch away the titanium anodize, which I'm sure I can. There's no reason I shouldn't be able to do that. Like a blade it away.
Curt: Um, but doing that, seeing how small, uh, of texts I can get, cause the anodized layer is like pretty nice to, it's not like you're a blading material. You're just like, it's just like paint almost.
jamie peacock: Taking off the oxide, yeah.
Curt: Right. So yeah, I want to see how tiny and how, like how I can hold legibility. Um, so yeah, I think I could probably make some, in so like I'm going to make my logo, but I think I'm going make my logo like one millimeter tall and just see like through like a micro microscope to see how close, how small I can make it.
jamie peacock: Nice.
jamie peacock: Yeah, I managed 0.25 ticks that was still legible on MyFiber.
Curt: So yeah.
Curt: 2.5 millimeter,.25 millimeter. point two five millimeter
jamie peacock: 0.25 millimeter hard text on an anodized aluminum thing.
Curt: That's it's so insane.
jamie peacock: It's wild. But I had to turn the power right down. But then, yeah, it was a very fine balance of speed and power because too much power or too slow and you can't read it.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: So you had to find that perfect balance where there's enough power and it's going fast enough that it doesn't blow it out.
Curt: Yeah, that's, I'm going to do, ah the funny thing I'm to like little, those little swatch grids, like those little grids you can do of like a shape, whatever.
jamie peacock: Yes. And light burn down.
Curt: And it, you know, yeah, one size scales power, one size scale speed. and So you can kind of see where, but this, the little grid, like normally they're nice and big and you can see these grids are going to be like, you know, three millimeters by three millimeters, like just and with, you know, like 10 little grids in there, just going to be ridiculous.
jamie peacock: Yes.
jamie peacock: Nice.
Curt: So yeah, i'm gonna have a lot of fun with that.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: ah So that was, ah I was more excited about that. so
jamie peacock: Playing with those kind of things is super fun. Okay.
Curt: Yeah, like i don't I don't know if I would... There is some things I want to use it for, but I don't particularly like like laser ablating away anodizing as like a final design choice for like a thing that gets handled so frequently because like you're going to wear the anodizing away off titanium.
Curt: It's just not that robust.
jamie peacock: Not that hard, yeah.
Curt: And if you have a crazy intricate design, it just kind of ruins the design really quickly. So it's like, it's probably not something I would...
jamie peacock: I'd be very curious to see what happens if you laser the titanium, so you etch the titanium and then you anodize it.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: I'm going to play that game too. And then I'm also going to tumble them.
jamie peacock: Okay.
Curt: Like I'm going bunch of things just because I'm curious about it too.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Cause it opens the door to, i want to go down the Mopa road of like doing color anodizing to get some crazy stuff.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: um
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: But I'm also not like, yeah, it's anodizing. It's, it just never feels titanium anodizing never really feels permanent for me. So, cause it isn't so.
jamie peacock: Yes. No, it's not. to jump It's not the strongest of coating, or not the hardest of oxides.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: Yeah, so, um yeah, I've been having a ton of fun with that, and just, like, trying to figure out why my... I always have issues doing green. Green is, like, the hardest color in titanium, just because it's a high-voltage color.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: You can do it grade 2. Grade 2 is a lot easier. Grade 5 is just annoying to get it vibrant, and to get it not teal, and to get it to not, like, to be, like... I want it to look like paint. I want it to be green throughout.
Curt: um I don't want it to look weird.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: um So, anyways, I have a ton...
jamie peacock: Is it super tight voltage range for green?
Curt: No, not really. Like, um I get a nice green at around, I think, 92-ish volts is where I get a nice toxic green. um But the funny thing is if I take a piece of raw titanium, like let's say it's just like mill finished bar stock, um and i clean I put it through my cleaning process, and then I anodize it, um I'll get a lovely green like throughout.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: It'll look great, even though like the bar is kind of just, the it's mill finished.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: um I'll get a great green. But if I take that same titanium and face the ends, and then like I'll polish the ends, and then put it through the exact same cleaning process,
Curt: I get a splotchy anodize on all the machine faces. Obviously, I'm contaminating with coolant oil. Something is getting pressed into either from during the cutting or from the polishing.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Anyway, so i on this last Friday, I just went like, completely Howard Hughes, like Kleenex boxes on my feet, like psychopathically cleaning titanium little discs. And like, I've never done this in a sense of like, okay, this time I'm only going to do this. And this one, I'm only going to do this. And this one, I'm only going do this and just try to work out like how I could do this at an in mass. That's why I don't do a ton of green pens. Cause they're, they're not perfect for me every time.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Um, so I, I still haven't found the solution, but at least now I have a bunch of things that don't work.
jamie peacock: I thought your multi-etch was taking pretty good care of oil contamination. Oil cleaner. one Something you were doing was doing a pretty good job of sorting it out.
Curt: Yeah, I do. Yeah, I use Alkinox, which is fantastic.
jamie peacock: Elkinox.
Curt: It strips oil off great. There's just one process that I do for one of my pens right now where it's that polishing, that tumbling with the ceramic media, and I can never get a clean anodized after it without a bunch of...
Curt: I can get a clean anodized, but I have to do a bunch of finagling of like... I bring it out and like I manually clean it and then i run through Alkinox. Then I like, I'll anodize it and I'll etch it. And then like some them's off to etch it really hard. And like, I just, it's, it's not, it's not just like boop, boop, boop result, boop, boop, boop result.
Curt: It's always shifting on me. So i'm trying to figure out where, what's causing the issue. So, yeah.
jamie peacock: I'm wondering if it's not embedding bits of the porcelain into the titanium.
Curt: Well, see, and then i took I took that aspect out of it because I'm like, let's let's get rid of that.
jamie peacock: Okay.
Curt: um So i just I left the polishing aspect and I'm just basically like wet sanding titanium, essentially. And it's it's after that stage.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: I don't know actually tested one of just straight off the lathe yet. Anyways, I'm going to keep testing them and see what what stage is causing my issue. And then I can keep honing in on that because...
jamie peacock: Yeah. Okay.
Curt: Yeah. Yeah. It's something.
jamie peacock: Interesting.
Curt: It's something.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Yeah. Like cleaning, like cleaning it before I even like go to polish it. Like, let's say like base it on the lathe and then clean the part really, really well. And then use like perfectly clean, like sandpaper and then wet sand it with perfectly clean water and then run through my process and still get the same issues.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: I'm like, Hmm, what is causing, like something is causing this. So anyway, I'll figure it out.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Hmm.
Curt: But it only, if it only affects, as
jamie peacock: What, uh, what sandpaper are you I'm assuming it's, uh, aluminum oxide.
Curt: i Yes, yes.
jamie peacock: normal soundbob, yeah.
Curt: Normal side paper. Yeah, yeah, yeah
jamie peacock: Yeah, I'm wondering if that's not conta leaving particles that are reacting to your edge, or not to your edge, to your anodizer, that's causing a reaction, yeah.
Curt: yeah. That's a good point.
jamie peacock: So you're embedding a particle, and that particle's reacting during the thing and causing a splotch because it's now reacted and left something there.
Curt: Yeah, that's a good point. never really considered that could potentially, like the paper itself could have like an oil or and ah like whatever they're using to...
jamie peacock: or even ah and a piece of the abrasive being left in the pot and that reacting in your anodizing and causing a splotch because it's reacting before the titanium.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: yeah I mean, and the the the the effect the effect is only visible on, like every other color, solid, perfect. I get paint-like results.
jamie peacock: Yeah, it's green.
Curt: It's just green. Just the last color you can get.
jamie peacock: Is green the highest voltage you're running?
Curt: Totally, yeah, so it's the thickest layer, yeah.
jamie peacock: Hmm. Yeah, I think you've got something reacting at those voltages before the titanium moves.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: Yeah, and it's it's funny, because i can I can watch it go through all the colors perfectly. just It literally looks like you're just like you're scrolling a color wheel on a computer, like beautiful colors, right until you hit the last one, then it gets a little wonky.
jamie peacock: You...
jamie peacock: Yeah, so you're dropping the part in with the voltage preset and then the the voltage dips and comes back up to that voltage on your power supply.
Curt: So...
Curt: I've tried it all. I've done it that way.
jamie peacock: Okay.
Curt: I've done like current limiting. I've done voltage limiting. I've done like jump in five volt increments all the way up to like a hundred volts.
jamie peacock: Okay.
Curt: I've tried. Yeah. Same thing. I was like, maybe I'm just swamping.
jamie peacock: Tried all the different things. Okay.
Curt: Yeah. And then I got really small coupons that won't swamp my power supply.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: and it's all it just that last little bit is where it all goes fucking sideways.
jamie peacock: Still.
Curt: So trying to figure out what it is. I've known about it for like years now, um but I just, I could get around it, but I don't want to anymore.
jamie peacock: Have you tried a different etching, different anodizing solution?
Curt: ah Yes. Yes, but not recently.
jamie peacock: Okay. What are you anodizing in? Just baking soda?
Curt: I like using, I like baking soda, but I might flip back to TSP. I used to use TSP. I might go back to it again. ah
jamie peacock: Well, that would be something to test because it might be something with the anodizing solution that is fine up till that point and not everyone goes to green, so it's not a commonly documented issue.
Curt: Just to see. That's a good point.
Curt: Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. I should try that too. Cal, add that to my list.
jamie peacock: Because it might be so a case of the baking soda breaking down at those voltages or something to that effect.
Curt: That's good point.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: That's a good point. Yeah.
jamie peacock: No. Because I know guys used to etch.
Curt: Yeah, never considered that.
jamie peacock: Like baking soda is a relatively new thing that the guys use. It used to be like lovely chemicals that'll kill you.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: oh Oh, the actual etching well is is heinous chemicals.
jamie peacock: Oh, sorry, not etching, the anodizing.
Curt: Yeah. Yeah.
jamie peacock: um
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: and Like, it used to be acids that the guys used as the electrolyte. And then they switched over baking soda relatively recently. Like, I remember Grimsmo...
Curt: Oh, really?
jamie peacock: Yeah, I remember Grimsmo switching to baking soda. And that wasn't that long ago. It was like 10 years ago.
Curt: there Yeah, trisodium phosphate is what tons people... But that's not really all that aggressive. I mean, it's it's not a great chemical. well You don't want to drink it, but...
jamie peacock: No, but... i'm john I'd say try tro at that.
Curt: Hmm.
jamie peacock: That might just be your...
Curt: That's a good point. Yeah. That's a good point. I'll try that.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: Do you have the other electrolytes on hand or not?
Curt: Oh yeah, I got it.
jamie peacock: Okay, well, fuck them.
Curt: I've got every chemical known to man here.
jamie peacock: Here we go.
Curt: Yeah. like yeah Yeah.
jamie peacock: Simple solution. Try a different electrolyte that might solve your green issue.
Curt: I actually moved away from TSP because they were starting to add ah like an adulterant to it to basically change the color of it, which fucked with my anodizing.
jamie peacock: Okay.
Curt: So I dropped it because I couldn't tell when I was getting the good stuff or not the good stuff. But yeah, it's a good point. I'll switch to that. I'll switch to that and try and see what that is.
jamie peacock: Yeah, it would be very interesting
Curt: Or try like Well, I tried to do something dumb like Coke, like people have anodized in Coke, which is not what I would use for production. But like you could just try something wild and see if that fixes the issue.
Curt: So yeah, good idea.
jamie peacock: see.
Curt: Good point.
jamie peacock: Yeah. Yeah, it's a variable that you wouldn't consider because it works for all other colors. But it might just be a case that breaks down at that but at right at the end of the range, which most people are not going to.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: Yeah. Yeah, well it's funny. Like, I'm not throwing shade at anybody, but i go looking at any green titanium magnetizing, and everybody, I look, and I'm like, oh, yeah, you're like I can tell that part is not clean.
Curt: I can see it's not it's not a clean green across the part. Like, you have dips where it goes to teal, and that's like, it's it's nature of the beast, but, like, um I want to get rid of that.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Yes.
Curt: So, anyway.
jamie peacock: Yeah, you want it to be correct.
Curt: Yeah, wanted to be nice. Yeah, exactly. Without having to piss around with each one for, like, Because, yeah, if you order a blue pen from me, I can do 1,000 blue pens and not worry about it.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: purple. I can 1,000 purple. But to do 1,000 green pens, I would probably end up walking into traffic. So, yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah, no, that would be less than ideal. Um, okay.
Curt: Yeah. Anyway.
jamie peacock: Interesting.
Curt: yeah
jamie peacock: Do you want to grab one of mine, or are we going to another one yours?
Curt: Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to... Let's go with... a Milling 950 parts in two hours.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Because that's quick. Yeah. What you making?
jamie peacock: It was great fun. I was cross-drilling Dutchman Squeezebox buttons. To Constantina buttons.
Curt: Oh, okay.
jamie peacock: So they're actually, that's what's Tumblr now, 400 of the 5mm ones. So I had to make new fixturing for the 5 and 6mm ones.
Curt: Mm-hmm.
jamie peacock: So...
jamie peacock: got that all done. And then my program, ah you load the fixture in one way, it does the sensor drilling or the chamfering on the one side. In that time, I can loosen that fixture and take the parts out.
Curt: Mm-hmm.
jamie peacock: One moment, please.
Curt: While Jamie chugs coughs up syrup.
jamie peacock: Yeah, fuck what they say, I must have it, I'm just drinking it now. um
Curt: but say i don't i don't think you're supposed to drink it like that.
jamie peacock: Yeah, it'll be fine. So ah while it does the one, the first side, I have enough time to loosen the other fixture, pull the eight parts out and load eight parts in, but not tighten it. Then I put it on the table. The machine comes to the park position.
jamie peacock: I take the fixture out, turn it over, put it back in, tighten it, hit go. Then I have time to tighten the eight parts and nub the little ends off and then load it in the machine. And the cycle is like a minute and five seconds.
Curt: This doesn't sound fun. Yeah.
Curt: Yeah, that doesn't sound like a fun, fun day.
jamie peacock: I literally, ah put on podcasts and I just blasted through it.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: It's literally just over an hour to run 62 cycles makes for 500 parts.
Curt: So you could get, you could like get into enough of a flow where you could do it and still like listen to something. like it wasn't like brain taxing. Yeah.
jamie peacock: wasn't No, it's not brain taxing at all. But yeah, blasted through those and just over two hours.
Curt: yeah o
jamie peacock: Um, but yeah, it's like making the fixtures and everything took more time than running the parts. But also I had the fixtures just programmed already.
Curt: Yeah, right.
jamie peacock: Um, they're all done with slitting saw. So it's literally one op and then put them sideways to cross drill a hole for the little clamping fixtures. Like, yeah, it worked really, really well.
Curt: Gotcha. Okay.
jamie peacock: with
Curt: Sick. Cool. Well, you do those.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Those are like reoccurring for you, right? Yeah. Okay.
jamie peacock: So I've done
Curt: to
jamie peacock: 3,000 of them so far. But they pay.
Curt: Oh, okay.
jamie peacock: is a fucking cough.
Curt: to It's been like a month now.
jamie peacock: They pay really well. So, like, those are running, and we're making more on those than we make on the stuff that's running 10,000 parts at the moment on the good way.
Curt: Oh, nice. Okay. Yeah. So.
jamie peacock: They play pretty freaking well. So, like, I can don't mind running them. These are blanked out on the Emco in January, and I just haven't got around to cross-drilling them. The guy's like, needs them, so I'm like, okay, fine, I'll cross-draw them.
Curt: Oh, wow.
jamie peacock: He didn't need them, he just placed to order for 1,000 of them.
Curt: Okay, gotcha. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie peacock: No, he's probably got a supply for about a year.
Curt: Check.
Curt: Oh, cool. Okay.
jamie peacock: Now, each concertina takes, I think, 50 buttons or so.
Curt: Right, yeah, yeah, I guess you're using a lot of them.
jamie peacock: He used a lot of and it's like he made buttons, and it took him two weeks to make a set of buttons.
Curt: Right, yeah.
jamie peacock: It takes me a day to run, like, 400 of them on the EMCO.
Curt: Oh. thought
Curt: yeah we through Yeah, we're good for everybody involved.
jamie peacock: So it's like, it's worth it for him to just pay for them like that. Like when when we first when he first started getting to do stuff, he then realized, oh, shit, this is like a force multiplier. His friends who make on stage like no, no, you're paying so much to have stuff made.
jamie peacock: Yeah, except I'm not spending two weeks doing it. I get the parts from Jamie and they're done. Like I've made press tools for him.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: I made gluing jigs for made all sorts of stuff for him. To just make it easier to form to make more of these things.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: that it's a wild, like just quick segue to like, I was, uh, uh, packing up orders and stuff last week and I was doing one thing where I was creasing some cardboard and I just like had a flashback of like back in the day when I used to make like the pen boxes.
Curt: And I was just like, if I had to do that today, I'm like, I would, I would run out of hours in like, I just could do it.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: It's just funny how, when you think back, you're like, holy man, like, yeah, something's just like the, I knew at the time that wasn't going scale, but like you don't realize how like annoying it was until you know how annoying it was.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
jamie peacock: You don't realize yeah how much it doesn't scale.
Curt: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah. yeah
jamie peacock: Now, that's the thing, like I'm, yeah, there's all sorts of things that I do that I should not be doing, but for now, it's fine. Like, it is what it is.
Curt: Yeah. Yeah.
jamie peacock: Like, When we need to scale, we can scale, but I don't want to end up with like 30 staff. um The customer who's aided with the move and whatnot, he's like, no, when are you guys getting a mill? I'm like, calm your fucking tits.
jamie peacock: First thing to get out from the fucking loan that you gave us to move shops. As soon as we're out from that, then I'm kind going to tell you to fuck off because I don't want all your random fucking jobs.
jamie peacock: Because they keep sending us random shit to do and it's like, okay, cool.
Curt: Yeah. Yeah.
jamie peacock: And then I pull you and you fucking cry. Sorry, I can be running shit that's way more valuable than your dumb shit. But now I've kind of got to do their dumb shit because, yeah.
Curt: yeah
jamie peacock: So we're trying to strike a balance right now. I'm just keeping the lay department busy with their stuff. That's my goal right now is just lay department needs to be cranking the whole time with there with their work.
jamie peacock: And if we do that, we'll be in a very cash positive position in a very short amount of time, which will, yeah, that's that's the idea.
Curt: Cool.
jamie peacock: It lets me spend time and money on R&D on products for Nautical.
Curt: Right. Yeah. Yeah. While you're getting the bills paid.
jamie peacock: Because that's where I see them. That's where I want the future is nautical work holding on product.
Curt: Totally. Yeah. Yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah, so we've got we've got some stuff in the works.
Curt: this a
jamie peacock: Yeah, actually, speaking of product redesign,
Curt: is says
jamie peacock: um was chatting to some of the guys who were going to be beta testers, and they were asking dumb questions. And I'm like, this morning i was on the show, I'm like, it's not a dumb idea. It's not difficult.
jamie peacock: I'm trying to build it as compact as I can, whereas it doesn't need to be as compact as it can.
Curt: Sure.
jamie peacock: um So, yeah, so i'm I'm not going into detail yet on it, on the podcast, but, yeah, going do a redesign that it can go in a side lock holder.
Curt: Okay.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: Yes. So what why not? Like the redesign, it's not a super complicated redesign. I have the the whole thing designed around BT30.
jamie peacock: um When you want to go to Cat40, it becomes a problem. So we're now going to make a side-locked version for the Cat40s. Yeah.
Curt: Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah.
jamie peacock: because I'm trying to keep it as compact as possible. So yeah yeah there will be more stuff on that.
Curt: Sure. Yeah.
jamie peacock: And probably by the by the next episode that we record, there will probably be some stuff in the wild about that.
Curt: Perfect. Cool.
jamie peacock: Yes, because that's like, I want to say nothing.
Curt: Cool. Yeah. I was just, was just gonna keep quiet. Cause I'm like, I don't know how much you want to say. So I'll let you drive.
jamie peacock: But yeah, two weeks time, we should have two weeks from when we we're recording, I should have stuff on hand to actually release the product.
Curt: Gotcha.
Curt: Ooh, excite, excite.
jamie peacock: Yes. So yeah, I've got, I've got to print another set of the dinguses because it's like point two of a millimeter short. It was running yesterday, like it was working, but it needs a little more compression.
Curt: Ah.
jamie peacock: So I'm going print a new version today and then take those with me tomorrow. And then it is in and working.
Curt: Sick, sick, excited.
jamie peacock: Yes, it's very, very cool. But in it yeah, I'm kind of curious about your hate mail.
Curt: Uh, so, uh, I will not, whenever I do first come first serve sales, which I very infrequently do because this happens every fucking time I do it is I get a ton of, I get a ton of great messages from people.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Um, and I also get a ton of hate mail. Um, less actually direct hate mail this time. A lot of it was just people raging on Reddit, which is fine. That's what Reddit is for, people to rage. And like I tell a million people, if I was making insulin or artificial hearts or lifeboats or life jackets or airbags or something that like legitimately has an effect on people and like if they don't have them, it's it's bad for their their life in in the sense of living, um I would feel bad. I wouldn't sleep really well. But the fact that I sell a luxury good
Curt: to people that can afford it. I'm kind of like, if you can't get one, i I'm sorry. I'm selling to the world. I'm a single guy selling to the world. I'm not going to scale to the point that people like do you got to scale. I got to get business. I'm going to get a bigger building. and you gotta to go back I'm like, I don't want to do that. I want to make a great living doing what I'm doing, being able to have a ton of control out of my life. that To me, that is what I want to be. um Anyways,
Curt: Yeah, I just don't think I'm going to... If I didn't do first-come, first-served sale again, I think I'm just going to just not sell anything for like a couple months and just have an insane stock level and then be like, all right, first-come, first-served sale.
Curt: Hopefully, these don't sell out in like six seconds because people get... And then conspiracy theories come out. There was a crazy one on Reddit where someone was like, oh, you're selling... i' I don't want to repeat it because they're all dumb. um But they're so dumb that my wife is like,
Curt: ah like the guy was saying like, oh, he sells, he's giving to his friends and his friends are reselling it. And she's like, does this guy know that you don't, he's like, you have, Jamie is your friend in South Africa.
Curt: She's like, you don't hang out with anybody. So she's like, are you selling him? She's like, you can't even give, you can't even ship shit to him. So i was like, she's like, I'm going to do it. She's like I'm going to an AMA um' on Reddit and be like, okay, I, you know, I know me.
Curt: And then like, i was like, oh boy. So anyways, the cool,
jamie peacock: that's funny yeah the cons conspiracy theories get wild yeah
Curt: it's It's crazy. Like people get so bent out of shape. and Like I have so many lovely customers out there that just defend me. I'm nine times out of 10. I just read the threads. And then like occasionally I'll just chime in with some just snide comment of just making, just making things worse.
Curt: I don't ever want to feed trolls, but I just love putting something heinous out there. So yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah, feeding trolls is fine.
Curt: thank Thank you all. Yeah, thank you all out there who argue because you just... Everything... Like you said, bad press is great press because like anytime that shit comes out and like anytime there's like a hate thread on Reddit, like all my numbers across the board go up.
jamie peacock: Prixis press.
Curt: So it's like, okay, I can only thank you for it.
jamie peacock: No, exactly.
Curt: So anyway, I just won't...
jamie peacock: That's funny.
Curt: I won't sell by that method anymore. So not not likely anyways.
jamie peacock: No, it's...
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah, it's not, uh, every time there's, uh, there's, uh, negative feedback or there's blowback.
Curt: ah Yeah, totally. There's a lot of pause.
jamie peacock: need to Yeah.
Curt: There's a ton of, yeah. And I try to glean what I can from the negative feedback because some people legitimately have really good points. or I'm like, Ooh, yeah, I didn't consider that. That's a great idea. Or like, I'm like, Oh yeah, I understand that.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: And like, I can always pull something positive from it. um But some people just like to argue because that's the internet. So,
jamie peacock: Yes. That is the internet giving everyone a voice even when they don't deserve one.
Curt: but and you know what?
jamie peacock: um
Curt: I think, I think that's a superpower between like me and you and like people that were on YouTube. Like, 10 years ago, because like you would put out a YouTube video and just get the most heinous comments. You're like, how, like you would never say that to a person in public, like just the worst things you could think about and be like, that's what you're going to tell some random stranger. and you'd be like, you just get really immune to it fast. So I think it works out to the advantage.
jamie peacock: There's a college humor video we didn't start the flame war from like 2015 twenty fifteen It's a cover of, yeah, dude, I'll find the link out between the shows and I'll put it in the, it'll be in the doobly-doo.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: Spot fucking on.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: Spot on what you're saying right now. It's literally the comment section on a video.
Curt: Oh, really? ah
jamie peacock: It's so good. like so Like, so dead on for that era that it's like, yeah, it is wild.
Curt: Yeah. yeah
jamie peacock: Because, yeah, that was something special on the internet. Do you know what else something special on the internet?
Curt: Yeah, no f- What is special on the internet?
jamie peacock: it
Curt: What?
jamie peacock: Our Patreons. They make the wheels on the train go round and round. ah Yeah, all the pages all the paid patrons at $5 and above get access to the after show. The top tiers all get shouted out every week. And the top tiers going to all get sent something off to IMTS if they are not at IMTS to receive it.
Curt: and
jamie peacock: Finally, after like a year of promising this. um
Curt: No kidding, right?
jamie peacock: Yeah. But yeah, thank you to all the patrons. You do make the wheels on the train go round and round and are helping us with the Airbnb for IMTS. ah Our top tiers consist of Jade from Benchmark 20, Luke from Fabtastic, AJ from Subtract Manufacturing and 73 other companies, Jason Ares, AJ from Nocturnal Welding, Bazzi Machinist Christian Olson, sorry, EJ from Nocturnal Welding, should say Nautical Welding,
Curt: EJ.
jamie peacock: um
Curt: ah
jamie peacock: The Aussie Machinists, Christian Olsen, Charles Watt, Kyle from Curse Machine, Matt from Off-World Gear, Alex B, John from Turzen Performance and Engine Tricks, Matt from Modern Fuel, oh we've got two mats, Josh from Layton Machine, and Greg from Tabletop Machine Shop.
jamie peacock: Thank you guys again for making the wheels on the train go choo-choo.
Curt: Choo-choo.
jamie peacock: Choo-choo.
Curt: You made it through it this time.
jamie peacock: um
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: I did, and I only barely died. um Yes, i have a new workflow on the LK.
Curt: Okay, what is this?
jamie peacock: So I bought some of the little Zendai soft jaw vases.
Curt: Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah, I've got the 100mm and the 60mm.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: So my workflow lately has been ah two self-centrings for up one. my little Zendai for OP2 with soft jaws because know I have a bunch soft jaws and they're super cheap so machine a step, machine a pocket, whatever and I'm using those for OP2 instead of my 4-inch vases because I used to put the 4-inch vases in because that's all I had soft jaws for but now I've got like I literally had my self-centrings my Zendai vase and my 5-inch chuck because I was doing some round work in the machine at once and you can like literally just flop between them super freaking easily
Curt: Okay. Right,
Curt: right, right, right. Okay.
jamie peacock: ah yeah
Curt: Cool.
jamie peacock: I need to send some stuff to powder coats. I bought two more racks for pallets on my wall.
Curt: Ooh.
jamie peacock: Yes.
Curt: Ooh.
jamie peacock: But yeah, it's like, yeah, I love the anchor points and the modularity of it. They're just moving shit between. Super, super convenient.
Curt: i was ah I was trying to sling your anchor point to another. Some person chimed out that was buying an X5, and they were talking about zero points, and I'm like, oh, you have an X4.
jamie peacock: Ah, nice.
Curt: You're considering an X5, and you want a zero point. Well, have i got a story for you? oh yeah No doubt, yeah.
jamie peacock: nice yeah aj had his his one uh his anchor point in a six inch kurt fast i'm like hey you build kurt
Curt: Ah,
jamie peacock: he was messing around with it school but yeah that that workflow is like it's the way it really is those little zendai vases are really nice
Curt: it makes sense.
Curt: have to I've kind of wanted to piss around with one, so I should probably pick one up just to play with.
jamie peacock: So by the soft jaw one, like by the one that you bolt the jaws on, it's the way to go, I actually had the jaws offset and hanging out the side to do a job because I needed a bit more clearance.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: Oh, cool. Right.
jamie peacock: I'll slide it to the side. um Yeah, like the jaws I make are only, I think, 12 millimeters thick. Like if they stick out above. Some guys make like two inch thick jaws.
Curt: Totally.
jamie peacock: I'm like, yeah, that thing's just going to do this. Like be reasonable.
Curt: Totally.
jamie peacock: So I've got those. i was meant to load them on the website last week and I didn't. ah I'll get them loaded on at some point. that they offell They also have a key, so when you put them in, they lock again, or they reference the edge of the jaw.
jamie peacock: So you put them with both keys on one side or both keys on the other side, and if you want to put them back in, they at least reference in the and that axis of the bus.
Curt: Oh, okay.
Curt: Right, yeah, close enough to either probe or just for rough work.
jamie peacock: Yeah, like if you've cut a pocket in, there'll be the pocket will at least be aligned when you put it back in there.
Curt: Yeah,
Curt: yeah yeah, exactly.
jamie peacock: Yeah, so I've got those, I've got three or four sets in stock, and then ordered material for a bunch more.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: Nice. Okay. Yeah, going to check them out.
jamie peacock: Yeah, because I'm now just, I'm burning through them like it's going out of fashion.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: They're cheap, so just use them instead of the four-inch vase. And also, they're a hell of a lot lighter than the four-inch vases, getting them into the machine.
Curt: Oh, yeah, I guess that's an advantage for sure.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Huge advantage, because, ah yeah, the four-inch vases hurt my back.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: And also you can never get all the coolants off of them.
Curt: Fair.
jamie peacock: Like when you take them out.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Never ever.
Curt: Yes.
jamie peacock: So then I put them on a piece of cardboard and the cardboard soaks up all the coolants. um
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Because like there's a point of diminishing returns of blowing the thing with a fricking air gun to and get all the coolants off.
Curt: Yeah. Yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: and
jamie peacock: So.
Curt: I know I have a, I have some fixtures in the lathe where they just, they just never leave the enclosure. Cause like, I'm like, I can never, and it's oil.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: so I'm like, I can never get all the oil off. I'm like, so you're just going to live in here. Like I built a little like shelf where they just all stay in one side.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: I'm like, you just live here. Cause I'm sick of trying to clean you off.
jamie peacock: Yeah, no, that's the way to go.
Curt: So.
jamie peacock: Yeah, we are waiting for Eurostil to deliver stainless for us for the BT30 quick change things for lathes. It's another product in the works, but obviously now Carl's busy with a 400-part run.
Curt: Oh, right.
jamie peacock: um We're going to put one in as one gang block.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: i actually milled a key way into his gang block this week. because we were having shavings build up on the boring bar and then push the gang block because the gang blocks weren't keyed. So I'm like, strip it, give it to me now when I'm done with what's in the machine, I'll throw it in the four inch vase quickly, mill a keyway for you. So we mill the key into the one so that it stays where the fuck it needs to be.
Curt: Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.
jamie peacock: Yeah, because they were made by whoever had the machine before and they were made by idiots.
Curt: That adds. Yeah.
Curt: Yeah. Yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: ah
jamie peacock: And then going to put the BT30 thing in there for him as well so that his sensor drill, his drills can all just be in the BT30 holder. You spin the bolt out the back, swap the tool, spin the bolt back in and you've changed tools.
Curt: Yeah. That's a nice way to do it.
jamie peacock: Yeah, so that's because we've got lots.
Curt: Excuse me.
jamie peacock: We don't have enough things going on.
Curt: Exactly. Right. Yeah.
jamie peacock: More is always better.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: But yeah, I looked in anyway.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah, so tell me about your your fun HTML website timer things.
Curt: Yeah, I actually got you to help me with that. The stupid website I use ah has an integrated like timer system where I can like schedule products to go online at a certain time, um which would be ah perfect if it worked. They're just not precise. like it They'll kick on a minute or two either way, and in my world, that's just not good enough. So I talk to them. and This is not like a fly-by-night. This is Squarespace, and I talk to them, and I'm like, can this be better? And they're like, meh, it doesn't really work that way. I'm like, oh.
Curt: okay so anyways i i was like f it i'm like with the claude nowadays i'm like claude make me an html like timer that i can go my page that'll like it'll down count um and then it'll like and then without having to refresh the site it'll just immediately switch from once it hits zero to like a button that is linked to a page that i have hidden and that manually turns on that that i can do um anyways
jamie peacock: Yes.
Curt: So yeah, it's been ah spt me ah a bunch of code and I was able to mess with the formatting to kind of get it close enough to my, yeah, just so much better. Like I've used like third party sites in the past to do this that had, and then you don't have to refresh the page and it was clunky and it would like, it would count into the negatives and you're was like, this is dumb. So yeah.
Curt: AI for the win for that stuff. Worked great.
jamie peacock: I was using Claude's troubleshoot the Home Assistant remote access stuff yesterday to no avail, but we were making progress.
Curt: Just.
Curt: Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.
jamie peacock: um We just ran out of time. I've got a my thing for this this week I want to get it to do. I'm going to give it the manual for a T3D servo drive because they're cheap as beans from China.
jamie peacock: With servo, I want to put a like a probably a 750 watt on my fourth axis that actually matches the flange.
Curt: Right.
jamie peacock: um I want to put that on there and then I want to build a RS485 based controller for it. So with an absolute encoder on the on the fourth, when I tell it to home, it goes to zero every single time exactly the same.
jamie peacock: Like use the switch as a reference for the initial but I want to know like it must be right. And then I can give it two inputs. So it will go index index index.
jamie peacock: And then you put the return to home pulse and it goes back to where it was. So I just want to find out that drive supports Backlash Comp and all those fun things.
Curt: Gotcha. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie peacock: And then just a little ESP with a screen mounted on the front of my machine and a button. That's it. That's all it needs. Like super simple interface, index, and then like an index button and a home button that if I want to manually do it, I can.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: So I'm going to rebuild my fourth controller because...
Curt: Yeah, yeah.
jamie peacock: I actually haven't plugged my fourth in since I've moved. It's in the machine, I just haven't actually used it yet. And I want it a little bit faster for some shenanigans I have planned.
Curt: Yeah, fair, fair.
jamie peacock: I've got some part flipping I want to do with the fourth. So you put your pneumatic vise on the fourth, and for that I need it to be able to go both directions. You rotate your vise up sideways, grab it, flip your gripper, put the part back in the vise instead of having a flip station.
Curt: Right.
jamie peacock: Yeah, use your spindle as the flip station.
Curt: Okay, I get you. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie peacock: That's what Matt's doing on some of his parts.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: So I want to try to get that workflow sorted out as well.
Curt: Yeah, that's a good idea.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Yeah, that's a good idea. If you're parking, if yeah, if you're parking. work But honestly, if you're getting a spindle grip and a flip station, it's probably going to work that way too. It's not going to be like a foot high part.
jamie peacock: Yeah. I also have plans afoot for a flip station, a manually actuated flip station.
Curt: Oh,
jamie peacock: for if you're running very low on I.O.
Curt: okay.
jamie peacock: it's a solution for a low I.O. machine. So I'm thinking along the lines of a spring actuated gripper.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: So you print jaws for it, you literally slide your parts in, it holds a spring pressure. You then come up with your grip, push a plunger, it rotates 180, stays there, you grab your part and when you clamp your vice, it flicks back.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: So we have a pneumatic, a small pneumatic cylinder that just holds the lock in position.
Curt: yeah
jamie peacock: And then when you When you grip your your ah your work holding again, it'll invert the the grip station for or the flip station for you, so that you can literally run your machine with two pneumatic outputs.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: You've got your spindle gripper and your vase.
Curt: Right. Right.
Curt: i I always love the applications of like using the spindle to like, like when Grimsmall was doing it to like read screw heads to determine like what patterns to put on.
jamie peacock: Yes.
Curt: I love doing that, like using no extra whatever, it just the smarts.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: the It's cool. It's cool. Or like you said, pushing levers and buttons to to move things like that's cool.
jamie peacock: No, it's definitely, yeah. I know a company in Japan makes mechanical actual mechanical flip stations like that, where you buy it, it's a 15-degree station, and every time you push the button, it moves 15 degrees.
Curt: Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen that too.
jamie peacock: I was thinking of building something along the lines of that, but basically printed.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Like, it doesn't need to be more than that. it can just be a printed thing.
Curt: Right. Yeah. yeah yeah
jamie peacock: trying to lower the barrier to people being able to spindle grip stuff.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: Yeah. That's cool. I like that.
jamie peacock: So, yeah, that's in the word. feel like mulling over that, how I'm going integrate that. Because, well, yeah, that's the goal, like spindle gripping for more people.
Curt: Yeah, totally. yeah You have the machine already. It doesn't, yeah, exactly.
jamie peacock: you've got the machine ready if you can do spindle orientation bonus um like most or any machine that's got a bt30 or anything else is going to have spindle orientation it's all it's all changer
Curt: Do a lot more automation.
Curt: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
jamie peacock: And if you've got through spindle air, it makes life easy. um If you don't, you then need some IO to be able to do things like I know Joshua is using his air blast output.
jamie peacock: So M7 has to grip his chuck because that's the only output he has available on that.
Curt: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie peacock: sova So it's only output he has available on that machine. And that's a problem with all the machines.
Curt: No, totally. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
jamie peacock: I mean, my index for my fourth axis uses the chip conveyor on my machine, the chip conveyor output.
Curt: Right, right.
jamie peacock: because there, I don't a chip conveyor.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: I've got forward reverse, so there's my two outputs, and they're on M codes already. So that's how i do my indexing on my on my fourth axis, and wo it's done, but it works, so it's not done.
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah. So, yeah, it's interesting.
jamie peacock: Okay.
Curt: I'm just, I was just waiting for your new fourth access system where you're like, you've, you've set it up. It's working great. Your little touchscreen, you haven't thought about it for months and you're and then like, and then now you're doing some complex part, fourth access part and you're deep in a pocket just finishing and someone goes by and it goes like, Ooh, what's that thing? And it's like, it hits index and it is index 90 and just everything explodes. Yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah, no. People aren't allowed touch my wings.
Curt: the ah
jamie peacock: That's why it's up high on the machine that only I can touch it.
Curt: oh fair enough yeah that's the best method yeah and yeah
jamie peacock: Yes. But yeah, that is something I should probably integrate, but...
Curt: fuck it yeah i um yeah
jamie peacock: you Yeah. When it's a problem, I'll deal with it. um Yeah, that's... But I mean, yeah, we've got got a bunch of bunch things in the works that I need to give a little bit of focus to.
jamie peacock: but yeah finding time to do focused work is a challenge some days.
Curt: Yeah, yeah, only so many hours.
jamie peacock: Yep, exactly. um So what is the the pen giveaway you are speaking of?
Curt: Oh, that's a, can I think I hope I get this right. Um, it's the Canadian knife and pen group on Facebook, uh, CKG, I think.
jamie peacock: Okay.
Curt: Anyways, uh, they're cool people. I talked to few the guys on Instagram. Um, they usually reach out every year. They have dude, like a big meetup. I would actually like to go to the meetup cause just a bunch of Canadian dudes. And it'd be fun to hang out with those guys, except it's on the other side of my country.
Curt: So it's a bit of a flight for me. Um,
jamie peacock: Yes. Yes.
Curt: But with that sense, it's a flight. It's not like I can't make it there. um Anyways, they always ask for a giveaway. So I did giveaway for them, sent that out. The guy was super. I actually wasn't. a and The other year I sent them one of the prototype mechs.
Curt: I gave just gave one of those away.
jamie peacock: yes
Curt: Um, And that was a pretty good. I thought it was pretty cool. um This year I didn't have enough time. It was just right between us. was trying to get it and I was like, shit, I don't know have time. I'm sorry, dude. And he's like, oh, no sweat. And I'm like, wait a minute.
Curt: I'm like, why don't you just like raffle off like one of my pens, like just a buyer's choice.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: And then they can just message me and be like, this is what I want. I'm like done. So ah we did that. So then I sent that out to the guy. So he was super cool. I don't know I just love dealing with like people that are appreciative about it. And like this guy was super cool. I don't know. It's fun.
Curt: Fun do that kind of stuff. So. Like, don't know. Got to keep the Canadians happy. Like, it's, I'm Canadian and my market share, my market share actually has grown significantly in the Canadian world, which is nice. It's always nice to be away from one massive, like US s is still my monster for, but it's changed significantly in last year. I've got a lot more sales outside of that monster. So yeah, it's, it's nice.
Curt: I sleep better at night. Yeah.
jamie peacock: having all your eggs in one
Curt: Dude, right? Like all takes is one little like ah importing change or something like that. And I'm ah like, then i'm I'm hamstrung. So it's like, it's nice to, it's nice to diversify, especially in this day and age.
jamie peacock: eaten that 100% so we have two things on the butt but both them are like half cocked so we can cover one of them if you want and leave the other one or we can do both I'm easy
Curt: Yeah. Tell.
Curt: Okay.
Curt: Tell me about new coolant tests.
jamie peacock: Okay, so FlexiLube.
Curt: I don't know. i don't know what that means. So.
jamie peacock: So FlexiLube, the coolant I use, ah switch to the MC coolant. I fucking love it. The finishes I'm getting in aluminum are wild. Like, so much better than what I was getting.
Curt: Hmm. Ooh,
jamie peacock: It's got quite a high mineral oil content in the coolant. They've developed a new coolant specifically for aluminum.
Curt: o
jamie peacock: And they're like, we need people to test this. We will put it in your machine for free.
Curt: oh okay
jamie peacock: We just need feedback, please. Because not a lot of people just run aluminium here. And I run, I would say, probably 90% aluminium in my machine. Like, we do odds and ends. We do a bit of copper, bit of tool steel every and now and again. Like, it'll work for that, but it is tuned for aluminium.
jamie peacock: So I'm like, cool. They're dropping off a pail of it this week. And I need to suck out the machine and put in the new coolant and give it a test drive for them. So we will see.
Curt: cool
jamie peacock: Hopefully it works well and doesn't do anything stupid. But yeah, free... Free coolant fill. So now i need to go buy more buckets because I'm going to put my coolants into buckets because i'm not going to just turf it. It's still pretty good.
jamie peacock: Put it in buckets, store it for a week or two just to make sure this new coolant isn't back totally retarded. um
Curt: Right.
jamie peacock: And then we can use it to top off other machines.
Curt: Oh, okay. Yeah.
jamie peacock: But i wanted yeah I just want to have it on hand just for it a bit in case something stupid happens. But yeah, they've developed a new coolant for Ali specifically. So we will see how it works.
Curt: Oh, cool.
jamie peacock: because i use their i used to use their CU2, which actually wasn't a perfect match for my application.
Curt: Yeah. That's.
jamie peacock: And then I was getting staining on 7075.
jamie peacock: So they switched me, or switched to MC, they're even more expensive coolants, and 7075 comes with them magically. I get a little bit of staining on 6082 if the coolant is left to evaporate um on the parts. So it's not really a problem in production. It's like my fixtures have a bit of staining on them, but the performance is just out of this world.
Curt: Nice, nice.
jamie peacock: Like I'm getting stupidly good finishes with it. So yeah, but now we're going to see, maybe the new aluminium one's even better.
Curt: Cool, yeah, no, let me know, I'm curious.
jamie peacock: So we we'll y good should get that in the next week or so. And then, yeah, I also got a new toolsetter. Because remember a few weeks ago, my toolsetter was dumbing.
Curt: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie peacock: New one arrived, but I don't like the wire coming out the back of it. I'm like, that is going to fail and break. So tomorrow morning, I've got a pneumatic fitting that I'm mill a hex into and put a grub screw in that'll go over the electrical connector, get locked to the electrical connector, and I'm going to put a piece of eight millimeter pneumatic hose that runs out of the machine so that the cable's protected.
Curt: Gotcha. Yeah, yeah. Okay.
jamie peacock: And then I need to kind of get one of these working because I need a new ah new mount for the toolsetter because my mount is different.
Curt: Ooh.
Curt: Right, right, right, right. right
jamie peacock: But I'm trying to find a model of the thing. It's a WP600. I'm trying to find a model of it, a 3D model, so I can design a Bukkake shield for it. ah Before it even goes in, I want a shield on it.
jamie peacock: So I'm just trying to find trying to find a model of it but not being very successful.
Curt: Totally, yeah, yeah.
Curt: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie peacock: because it's a China special. What I might do is just get my friend Roger to come past and 3D scan it for me, that I have ah just where the things are in space, and then I can build a cover for it from that 3D scan.
Curt: Mm.
Curt: Yeah, that'd be, that'd be good use for it.
jamie peacock: Because, so yeah, i need to make some rudder pulleys for kayaks for them, or for canoes.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: So I'll do those and then get them come visit me, doing them out of scrap that I have laying around.
Curt: Oh, okay.
Curt: Yeah, perfect.
jamie peacock: Yeah, free material. um Yeah, doing them as a favour for him because he's doing it as a favour for one of his friends, so it's like a pass it along type of situation.
Curt: Nice.
jamie peacock: Because Zoke bought like 10 canoes that are fucked um to help someone out and now wants to sell them, but they don't have rudders, so we're now making the rudder pulleys.
Curt: Nice.
jamie peacock: Yeah, one of those ones.
Curt: Yeah, where everybody loses money to save one guy.
jamie peacock: Doing nice things. Yeah, that exactly.
Curt: Yeah. yeah
jamie peacock: that That's the one.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Um, but yeah, is what it is, what it is, I guess.
Curt: yeah
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Yeah. Karma, right? I think karma exists.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: So, yeah.
jamie peacock: Uh, no good deed goes unpunished.
Curt: Totally. Totally. Yeah.
jamie peacock: Yes. Um, just to see if there's anything new and exciting in my Google box.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Or we can see if people are going to realize that it's the same Google box from the previous, uh, I've got new stuff.
Curt: Yeah, we can
jamie peacock: I have new stuff in my Google box.
Curt: um we can. I know we both just ri like ripped through ours on the last episode.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: So yeah, we can cover it. Let me know.
jamie peacock: Well, in that case, Kurt, okay, well, in my Google box, we've got the DJI Matrice still, um sourcing RJ45 connectors, which are stupidly cheap.
Curt: What's what's in your Google Books? Oh.
jamie peacock: They're like 1.50 each, which is a ah stupidly small amount of money for something that you actually rely on.
Curt: My God.
jamie peacock: um That's nine cents each, US cents.
Curt: yeah That is pretty cheap. was cheap.
jamie peacock: Yeah, it's like stupidly cheap. Yeah, the definition of a square because of a meme.
jamie peacock: my ISP again, because we were checking, we had a bit of funny business with the incident yesterday. The Raspberry Pi config stuff. Then Bambu Lab printers from 3D Printing Store, which is very problematic. And then Googling when Carl gets the anarchist cookbook in Dungeon Crawler Carl and how he gets it.
jamie peacock: Because Carl and I were having a discussion about this.
Curt: Oh, interesting.
jamie peacock: And then a bunch of our things paying duties for stuff that I ordered from China.
Curt: Okay.
Curt: Oh, okay.
jamie peacock: Yes, I've got some D10 plunger screw thing, grub screws coming in and I've got ah some one way valves, four millimeter one way valves or one way line, one way valves for pneumatics.
Curt: Interesting.
Curt: Hmm. Figured out folks.
jamie peacock: Which going actually get put, they're going to get put it in an oiling system.
Curt: Oh, okay. Well, then don't figure it out folks.
jamie peacock: Yeah, the oil on that machine I retrofit, the oil's draining back down the lines with gravity. So we're just going to put a couple check valves in line. That'll solve the issue.
Curt: nice nice
jamie peacock: ah What is in your Google box?
Curt: uh the clod html code thing oh a good idea um i'll do it uh yeah adam's video go watch it folks adam the machinist he i'd love all of his videos uh reddit because of course uh not suspicious keyboards up for sale go check him out uh ferric chloride i haven't had to buy that in forever and uh
jamie peacock: Do it in the opposite order. Yes. yeah then there'll some you
Curt: it's ah With people not making PCBs, because just PCBs, like getting them from whatever company nowadays is so cheap and so fast. like Nobody makes PCBs anymore.
Curt: So just getting ferric chloride is kind of annoying. um
jamie peacock: Oh, yes. Okay, so I was trying to remember why you use ferroclaw, but now I remember. I actually have for the same reason.
Curt: yeah for e oh yeah yeah Yeah, for just anodizing titanium or doing crazy stuff.
jamie peacock: Yeah, well, yes.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Crazy stuff in titanium, yes.
Curt: Yeah. Yeah. Everyone always asks me about that finish. I'm like, how do you do like the ennthropic finish? I'm like, literally just YouTube it. There's great tutorials out there.
jamie peacock: I think I asked you how to do it a while ago, and then, yeah, I did, I think I did one fluck with this.
Curt: Yeah, it's annoying, but it's, yeah, there's great stories. It's hard to do, like, well. But anyways, yeah, so anyways, just buying ferret chloride, I had to call my local electronic shops, and I'm like, oh, just cash sale. They're like, oh, we only sell to businesses. i'm like, okay, I'm a business. They're like, oh, okay. I'm like, what?
Curt: Okay, you weirdos. um Anyway, ah titanium spectrum. Once again, I was too doing that. And yeah, clod code stuff. And yeah, nothing nothing else too interesting, I don't think. Oh, and rain, because it's been fucking...
Curt: We're trying to drown us here in a tail again today. And yeah, it's lots of fucking rain. Yeah. Like flooding our underpasses rain.
jamie peacock: um Yeah, traba, traba sulfuric acid.
Curt: So,
jamie peacock: That's a fun one.
Curt: Oh, that's, that's easy to get here for some reason.
jamie peacock: Yeah, um I've got it's easy to get now, but the guys the first time I bought that like what are you using it for? I'm like Anodizing they were very they were very worried. I was getting rid of bodies or something Yeah
Curt: I ah way back in my float tank days, I needed to buy like a thousand kilos of Epsom salt. And I'm like, how, like, how am I going to buy a thousand?
jamie peacock: Hmm
Curt: So anyways, I found a chemical supplier in my town and I'm like, oh, can I like buy this? Or like, oh yeah, but you have to be like licensed to like buy chemicals. I'm like, oh, okay. Well, I just fill out this form. I'm like, really?
Curt: That's all I got to do?
jamie peacock: yeah yeah
Curt: They're like, yeah So I just filled up this form and they're like, oh what do you want? I was like, what can I buy? They're like, anything. i'm like so like I can buy like a 55-gallon drum of hydrochloric acid. They're like, ah yeah, if we have it in stock.
Curt: i was like, Jesus, this is insane.
jamie peacock: yeah it's wild but ja yeah make sure it's above board but yeah that's freaking wild oh i got feedback on a custom extruded aluminium tube
Curt: like But I guess they're just trying to make sure it's yeah not creepers. but
Curt: Yeah.
Curt: Okay. Let boot it.
jamie peacock: five weeks for a DA, and then have to buy 250 kilos at a time.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: We have to order 600 kilos per batch, so non-issue.
Curt: Oh, nice.
jamie peacock: Yeah, so waiting for the go-ahead on the job and the deposits so we can order material.
Curt: Awesome.
Curt: Sick. That's the to go.
jamie peacock: Yeah. you gonna
Curt: Yeah, for sure.
jamie peacock: Six meter lengths. And then like Carl and were chatting about it, we did the maths on how many parts we can run out of a half meter bar. And it's like 8.2 parts or 7.6 parts. I'm like, okay, so we're going to optimize our cutting to make it because we can fit like a, with those parts, you could probably fit nearly a 600 mil bar into the Emco.
jamie peacock: We're going to be like, okay, how many parts can we get that we have a 30 millimeter remnant? And then we're going to cut the bars to that length to optimize to get the most parts and the shortest remnant.
Curt: Right, gotcha, gotcha.
jamie peacock: Yeah, so that should be ah should be a fun one.
Curt: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie peacock: We have to buy a left hand threading tool. um Because of the way the EMCO's turret works, it'll you have to run a left hand tool and spin backwards if you want it to lock the turret. like hard lock it.
Curt: Oh, OK.
jamie peacock: So I've always threaded other way around, but it's always been small threads. So the turret has enough locking force against the motor.
Curt: Sure.
jamie peacock: um But now we're threading like 2.5 pitch. So we need to use the other way around. So we go, let's spin the thing backwards, run backwards, like all the fun, all the fun shit we have to do.
Curt: Right, right.
jamie peacock: But yeah, we get that production code dialed and then it's literally load bar hit go, parts fall out finished.
Curt: Nice. That's awesome.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: That's awesome.
jamie peacock: And there's another 10,000 order.
jamie peacock: And those we make we make a bit more money on, so it's not not horrid.
Curt: Sick. I love lathes.
jamie peacock: Hopefully enough money to justify buying another lathe.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: Because i think that is I think that is the direction.
Curt: Nice.
jamie peacock: Colin, I've been discussing it. I think that's the direction we need to go is find another small one-inch bore lathe and just niche down on those size parts.
Curt: Mm-hmm.
jamie peacock: Put another lathe in. It's going to cost us, if we do another retrofit, it's going to cost us under 100,000 Rand, which is using my Paralyzer a lot today. that's two thousand So under $6,000, we can have a machine running the same controller with all new stuff, like running servos, running servo spindle.
jamie peacock: We may as well try find a machine to do that.
Curt: Yeah, yeah
jamie peacock: We now have space to do it. And then I would look at putting like a one and half meter bar feeder on it.
Curt: yeah. Yeah. Like said, automating a lathe so much better. Yeah.
jamie peacock: hundred 100%. So yeah, I want to go that route. But now if we've got coal running production flat out, it gives us the budget to put another machine in that he can it can run by itself.
Curt: Right, right. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
jamie peacock: Yeah, so I think that is the the direction we need to go in.
Curt: Cool. Yuck.
jamie peacock: But we will see in the coming months.
Curt: It sounds like a good plan.
jamie peacock: Yeah, no, we'll see in the coming months because like we've got production orders now.
Curt: Mm hmm.
jamie peacock: Goodway is basically booked out for the next two months on one job.
Curt: Sick.
jamie peacock: yeah And then the guys like make them and we will pay you for it. Like just you've got an order for 10,000. It's meant to be two and or thousand of each every month. to Just make them. Make them an invoice.
Curt: That's nice.
jamie peacock: Like, you know, just make the parts. We'll put them on the shelf and we'll order them more because they're now carrying stock so that there's no just no disruption to sp supply.
Curt: Sure.
jamie peacock: so they're going to carry two or three months stock on their shelves and then we just keep running one month's worth parts and now it's gone from like eight days to five days to make two and half thousand parts yeah because we cut cycle time so yeah it's it's been interesting adjusting to the high volume production stuff
Curt: That's nice then.
Curt: Ooh, okay. Sick. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Curt: I mean, it sounds, sounds like it's going well, so that's good. Yeah.
jamie peacock: i'm actually concerned about getting material in time to keep running this part number because we got material delivered, it takes like three or four days to get material delivered.
Curt: ah
jamie peacock: um I'm concerned that we're gonna have a day or two with no material and have to change jobs and I don't really wanna do that.
Curt: Feed override 70%. Yeah,
jamie peacock: Nah, let the machine sit.
Curt: ah
jamie peacock: Like, let it sit till the material arrives and then carry on running it.
Curt: yeah.
jamie peacock: Right, it's, but go I don't know, I think more machines are the correct choice here.
Curt: Yeah, no, exactly.
jamie peacock: Anyway, um what are you up to, well now, now oh first we're going do websites, but then you need to think about when this podcast comes out.
Curt: Cool.
Curt: Ooh. And, and, and, and,
jamie peacock: What are you going to be doing on that?
Curt: And imagine what I'll be doing that day.
jamie peacock: Yes, it's quite complicated.
Curt: Okay.
jamie peacock: Where can people find you and your things, Kurt?
Curt: It does sound.
jamie peacock: Where can they send their hate mails?
Curt: You could send your hate mail to confoundedmachine.com. I have a contact page. It's nice and convenient. And people do choose to do that. Actually, most people are pretty cool about it. so Most people actually just send me like memes or heinous things that bring joy to my life.
Curt: So yeah, foundamachine.com points everywhere points to this podcast, that podcast.
jamie peacock: nice
Curt: Uh, yeah. YouTube, all that jazz. How about you, Master Jamie?
jamie peacock: oh yeah you can find links to everything at jspeceng.com or you can find the work holding stuff at tapsandpatients.com which i think is freaking great aj hasn't actually reached out about that yet yes
Curt: yeah
Curt: I don't know. I don't know. well We'll, we'll point to something heinous then. If if we don't hear from them soon enough, we'll point. start I don't know what, I know a lot of heinous sites, so could point to someplace horrible.
jamie peacock: Well, starter only fans for them.
Curt: Uh, start or yeah carry on.
jamie peacock: There we go. Start.
Curt: Yeah. Yeah.
jamie peacock: and let's Just start.
Curt: already have one going. Okay.
jamie peacock: definitely doesn't exist already.
Curt: Uh,
jamie peacock: lovely
Curt: of
jamie peacock: We'll get an AR. We'll convince an AR to be like the one in Dungeon Crawler Call. It's all about the feeds.
Curt: That'd be amazing.
jamie peacock: Yes.
Curt: yeah
jamie peacock: Oh, fuck. Carl's not getting to book... He's in book six, and he's like, wow. The story is getting very interesting.
Curt: I'm going to, when we finish up here, going go for a walk. And even though I'm heinously behind on all podcasts, including ours, I think I'm going to listen to Dungeon Crawler Carl because I like it.
jamie peacock: It's a problem.
Curt: It is.
jamie peacock: Yeah, I end up doing the same thing.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: I've got six hours to go on book six.
Curt: I won't, I don't think I'll catch you, but
jamie peacock: And then I'll be...
Curt: Oh, yeah, we already did your what are you up to today in the future, future, future.
jamie peacock: Yes. Today I'm running Anodaz and cleaning workshop a little bit and prepping stuff to go to the workshop or to the factory.
Curt: Cool.
jamie peacock: So working, but not going to the shop because not allowed to do that anymore.
Curt: That's good idea.
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: Yeah, no fair.
jamie peacock: So yeah I've got some barnacles that need to ship out this week.
Curt: Yeah.
jamie peacock: um So I need to quickly anodize the last two risers. The last two 527, 4752 risers. They're 47 mils high, 52 millimeter spacing for the Lang stuff. I've got two of those that need to be anodized.
Curt: Cool.
jamie peacock: Yeah. What are you up to? Well, what are you up to when you are two weeks from now? Because I'll probably be anodizing two weeks from now.
jamie peacock: vacationing is what you're going to be doing. What are you up to today? um tomorrow.
Curt: Well, I don't know. I might be around. I don't want to tell people because then they'll come to my house and fucking rob me. um
jamie peacock: There we go. Good point.
Curt: Yeah. It's like everybody that posts their status on Facebook, like just landed in Mexico. I'm like, you're an idiot. What are you doing that for?
jamie peacock: Yeah.
Curt: It's everybody. Anyway. Yeah. ah ah Tomorrow I'm going to probably mow the lawn. It's getting a little jungly. and It's the weekend here for me still.
jamie peacock: Well, you'll all the rain.
Curt: So. and Yeah, dude, like, we'd rain, and then we'd get a bunch of sun, then we'd get a bunch of rain. Like, all the plants are insanely happy here, and so are the mosquitoes. They'll carry you away, so Yeah, don't know. Moodlawn.
Curt: Play with my rats.
jamie peacock: Nice.
Curt: Actually, it was my... It's my anniversary with me my wife today, so... Choosing to...
jamie peacock: Ah.
Curt: And it's it's evening, so just letting you guys know. the Patreons, everybody.
jamie peacock: Podcast is priority.
Curt: Jamie.
jamie peacock: Yeah, there we go.
Curt: Podcast is a part of my wife is is upstairs.
jamie peacock: Don't worry, I recorded on my wife's birthday the other day.
Curt: Ooh.
jamie peacock: She was very impressed with me.
Curt: I know it's always saying like me and you are really pulling out all the stops here. So just know this, know the sacrifices that we make for you people.
jamie peacock: Yeah. Yeah.
jamie peacock: Oh, jeez.
Curt: yeah
jamie peacock: Class the day is good. Oh, fuck. On that one, thank you, everybody, for listening.
Curt: Anyway.
jamie peacock: um Let's let Kurt escape so he can go enjoy his anniversary. um But, yeah, thank you for listening, and we will see you guys next week, where it'll actually be back to the normal schedule, because Kurt will be back.
Curt: Yay.
jamie peacock: And, yeah, this one is like...
Curt: Yay. nay
jamie peacock: yeah the The schedule is getting fun at the moment. Anyway, thank you, everybody. If you enjoyed, please consider liking, subscribing, all those fun things. And if you really enjoyed it consider sharing it with someone who you think will enjoy the podcast as well.
jamie peacock: And yeah, thank everybody. We'll see you next week.
Curt: Take care,
