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#268 Building Community with Clay w/ Rich Brown
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Who says you can't make a living doing what you love? Today, we're sitting down with Rich Brown, a full-time potter who has managed to turn his passion for clay into a thriving business. However, for Rich, pottery is far more than just a source of income - it's a way of building and nurturing relationships within his community, fostering connections that are as enduring as the pottery pieces themselves.
Prepare yourself for an intimate look at Rich's unique journey, starting from his decision to commit to pottery full-time. Through his unwavering determination and the support of his friends and pottery companies, he has been able to navigate the challenges posed by the pandemic and embark on a dream tour to meet potters across the United States. You'll be inspired to hear how this journey, despite its initial postponement, has deepened his belief in the importance of community and personal intentionality in his work.
However, this episode isn't just about pottery and passion; it's also about practical approaches to building a successful pottery business. Rich shares incredibly insightful tips on how to effectively sell pottery and the role of small conversations and relationships in business growth. You'll also hear stories from his experiences with students, his artist residency, and his enlightening chat with Bill Strickland, a community-focused potter. So, sit back, relax, and let Rich's story inspire you to build a life around your passion, value your relationships, and be present for your loved ones. You can learn more about Rich by checking out his instagram here @pottery32
Top 3 Value Bombs:
1. Rich Brown emphasizes the importance of building relationships for the growth of a business. He shares that small conversations can lead to bigger conversations and how these interactions can be leveraged to help sell pottery. He urges aspiring potters to reach out and connect with people, not just within the pottery community but beyond it.
2. Rich provides insight into how he successfully turned his passion for pottery into a full-time career. He highlights the role of determination, community support, and intentional focus in his journey. He also shares how his work has allowed him to spend more time with his family and how his energy and intention are imbued in each pottery piece he creates.
3. Rich shares practical tips on how to effectively sell pottery. He discusses the importance of finding a market, ensuring the price point is reasonable for the time spent creating each piece, and understanding the feasibility of your work as your only source of revenue. He also emphasizes the importance of being genuine and authentic in conversations, rather than focusing solely on sales.
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Transcript
Introduction to Rich Brown and Pottery
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I want to have a community. And pottery just happened to be the conduit for that community. So when I make pottery, I'm just thinking about the community, thinking about the family, I'm thinking about the friends. I'm thinking about people coming together. So that's the fundamental aspect about my work.
The Transformative Power of Pottery
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What if you could change lives through clay and through your pottery?
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What is up, shaping nation? This is Nick Torres here. And on this episode of Shaping Your Pottery, I got to interview Rich Brown. Rich is an amazing person.
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He, in this episode, you will learn how Rich thinks about service first for his pottery. You'll learn about how building relationship is the best thing that you can do for your business, for yourself, and to inspire others.
Creativity and Relationship Building in Pottery
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And finally, you'll also learn about not getting stuck with one single style and also being able to go back to that style you used to have before. And there's so much more in this episode. It is jam-packed. I hope you guys enjoy it because I know I did. I'll see you guys in there.
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If you love pottery and want to take your skills to the next level, you're in the right place. Find your own pottery style right here on Shaping Your Pottery with Nick Torres. Let's get started. Rich, welcome to Shaping Your Pottery and share with me what is something potters should be doing to have success in pottery? Thanks for having me on Nick. What are some of the things that potters should be doing to have success? I would say is like build relationships. Get out there and build as many relationships as possible because
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that will help you when it comes to revenue. And that's how I really grew my business by getting out and talking to local people. I get out and talk to people nationally and even internationally. I'm like a social butterfly, I'm everywhere. Yesterday, we spent some time in North Georgia, some friends and I.
Documentary Journey Across the U.S.
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So we were getting footage for a documentary that I started in April of last year, changing lives through Claywhere we traveled across the United States and visited potters in different places.
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of people who made pottery to just build those and form those relations. Yesterday we were at the Folk Pottery Museum of North Georgia, and then we went to a store called Mark of the Potter that's been there forever in Clarksville, Georgia, and I actually sell stuff wholesale at Mark of the Potter. So it's just about getting out, building relationships, and building this pottery community. I would tell all potters, because we get stuck in our studios to get out of your studios, and just
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build relationships with everybody. Absolutely. I love that so much. We're going to talk more about changing lives you play in just a bit. But for now, tell me the story of how you got
Rich Brown's Pottery Journey
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started in Surround. The story of I started at the age of 32. That's the first time I ever can recall seeing a potter's wheel was at the age of 32. So probably before that, I saw a video on YouTube of a guy making mugs for a coffee shop.
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And I said, I was just amazed at seeing this ball of clay be transformed into this mug. And he put the logo on it, the handles on it. And it was six weeks later, there was just maybe 60 coffee mugs. And I just thought that was just amazing to see that process from, from mud or clay to a finished product. So there was a store that I would pass. Well, a studio I would pass, it's called Mudfire in Decatur, Georgia. And I would pass it on the way to the farmer's market.
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and it said pottery lessons inside. So one day I just decided to take a quick lesson and from that lesson I was just hooked.
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And that was the start of pottery. It was from a YouTube video to a pottery class to now being a full-time potter. I absolutely loved it. I can't wait to hear about it in a little bit more. But for now, as you mentioned earlier, you mentioned changing lives to Clay. Tell me the story about this. Well, I had this vision from about maybe 2017 to hit the country. I always wanted to take a road trip across the United States.
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And I wanted to take that road trip, I think it was 2017, 2018 and visit different potters and just different things just set it back. And then I was about to take the trip and the COVID happened, it set it back again. And all of these things happened on purpose because in 2017, I didn't know as many potters and I didn't have as many connections. And it's the same thing as 2020, I didn't have the connections and the potters.
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And I also didn't have the friends that assisted me on the trip by taking the video in the film. The universe knew what was going on and postponed the trip year after year until I was ready to actually execute the trip properly. Though it was 25 states in 26 days and over 41 interviews. And it's not finished yet.
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Wow.
Pottery Community and Support
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Over these 25 states that you visited and 41 interviews, what is something that you have learned that just kind of really stuck with you? How wonderful the pottery community is and how accepting the pottery community is because there's no one that I asked that said no. Everybody was inviting. We stayed at people's homes. They brought us into their homes for individuals that they didn't know. But pottery brought us together. And
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and definitely
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You mentioned that you had plenty of setbacks, but what helped you with preparing for you to actually get this off the road, off the ball rolling? Friends, friends, just I have a really tight knit group of friends and it's great because a lot of them are videographers and photographers.
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the help of friends and the help from people who follow me on social media because I got a lot of, I got a lot of funding just through fundraisers through social media. And there are many companies that helped me out. Giff and Grip helped me out. Speedball helped me out. Amaco helped me out. Standard helped me out. So there were different companies and I apologize if I don't remember anybody. Diamond Core helped me out. A lot of these companies trusted in what I was doing and helped me and assist me on getting this adventure underway.
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How long has so how many more states do you hope to hit and how many more? Oh man, it's gonna probably it's it's probably gonna be so we have 41 interviews it no, we have more than 41 now we might be at about Close to 50 We didn't do the East Coast and then my friends are like we have to well We have to go to Canada and we're talking about going overseas This is gonna be something that's just gonna be really really big
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and we're just gonna have this and we're just gonna put it in a location where everybody can see it. But it's really changing lives through clay and people can see how my life has changed through clay. We're still collecting footage of my life and my journey through this whole entire clay process. So how has your life changed through clay?
Pottery as a Life Choice
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I started to understand who I was because I was a teacher for 17 years. And when you have a job that's gonna pay you, we got paid monthly. When you know that check is coming monthly,
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You just know that you're gonna be all right. Now, I don't know what's gonna happen the next month, because I'm a full-time potter, and I have a family of four. Pottery has really made me focus on what I wanna do. I'm intentional about everything I do. It's given me the freedom to spend more time with my family, because as a teacher, I might go to work at seven, and then I might come home. So I was spending a lot of time raising other people's kids, but since my son started,
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kindergarten that's how I know when I started full-time because he's in the fourth grade now this is year five of me going full-time I've been able to take him to school every day it's given me that opportunity to have time that I can be with my kids and it's just like us it's almost therapy and meditative every day because I'm in the studio by myself
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And sometimes it's 12 hours and you're just in your thoughts about what your next move and what you plan on doing with your life. And it's a lot of moments to think. And I get that by being a full-time potter. Absolutely love
Pottery Style and Creativity
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it. We're going to talk more about you becoming a full-time potter in a little bit. But for now, let's talk about your pottery. In one sentence, can you tell me what you make? Functional pottery that should be used on a daily basis.
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So tell me the story how you started making the pottery that you make today. Well, it was from that first video, just seeing the guy making mug. So I was just into that mug thing. And I still am today because it's something that's being used every single day by many people. And I try to make it as classic, as simple, that people feel that they can use it daily. And I try to make it comfortable as well.
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So it's something that they go to every day because now I'm a part of their conversation and I believe in energy. So I believe that my energy and my intention is with that person every single day. I'm a part of their conversation every single day. So I just try to keep it to the fundamental, classic, affordable, where somebody feels that they can't even use the product. And that's the lane that I stay in.
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I love that shaping nation, the intention, the energy you put into your pottery is going to show off to other people that actually buy it and see it. I love that so much. You are inspired by people as you have mentioned before. How does this impact the way you make your pottery? I was thinking about this the other day, maybe about two days ago and
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When I first started pottery and I took that class at Mudfire, when I took the class at Mudfire, I never said to myself, I never had the thought to say, let me do pottery for myself. My intention was at Mudfire, I just love the pottery community. So from day one, I said, I want to have a community.
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And pottery just happened to be the conduit for that community. So when I make pottery, I'm just thinking about the community, thinking about the family, I'm thinking about the friends. I'm thinking about people coming together. So that's the fundamental aspect about my work. It's about bringing people together. And that's my take on how I create things. Can I create things where people can gather?
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And people are going to I love that. I love that so much. I love that approach because that's like you're not just thinking about yourself or your part, you're thinking about other people and like how to bring them joy, live, get bring them a little bit more happiness in life. I love that. Something I found interesting from your website is you said your mission is to provide functional art that can be used on in a daily basis. Can you explain this to me some more?
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Yeah, just, you know, when you get up in the morning, when I get up in the morning, the first thing I have is either tea or coffee. I want my mug to be that vessel. And I'm thinking about it not for me, I'm thinking about it for someone else. Because for the longest, I never used my own stuff. Like, it was almost taboo. I never felt comfortable using my work. Because I just think it's for somebody else. And I think I should, I live a life of service. So I don't think about me, I just think about the other person. A lot of people,
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You know, they make work that resonates with them. The way my work resonates with myself is through other people using it. So do you use your pottery now? Once in a while. But it's not something that I do.
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It's very weird. And I couldn't even explain it to you.
Overcoming Pottery Sales Challenges
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Can you give me a brief explanation on how you use the slip to add to your pottery? Well, I've used slip in the past and then I just brought it back. And it just gives different variations, different original marks in my work. And I really just got into that again. And now it's crazy because I'm kind of stepping out from it again.
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I get into phases where if you look at my work, you can tell my work, but it always, it always changes. I don't want to ever get stuck into one style. I just want to be able to create, I just want to be a creator and just create different things and create what I want to create for the day. And there's not one thing in particular, like the slip work that I just recently did. I just won't always do that. I'm going back to basics.
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because with the slip work too, it's more advanced, takes more time. So I have to raise the price point. I understand where a lot of people are financially. I know where I am financially. I ease back sometimes to create that one glaze, affordable piece of art. And I'm always, I'm thinking of these things. I'm thinking of, am I making something that I can share that I can even afford?
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I know sometimes it's not the best way to think about it, but I'm thinking about it in the business sense of trying to survive as well. And just thinking about, can the teacher afford this? Cause I was a teacher. So I'm making things that resonates and people can access. And I know you were asking me about slip, but slip is something that I, I might do it this month because next month I'm going to be doing gas firing. And then after that I'll be doing soda firing for like the next two months. I'm here in there with my work.
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How do you know when it's time to change up your pottery? Because you say you don't want to be stuck with one style. You want to keep it evolving. How do you know when it's time to change? It's just a feeling. It's just a feeling. It's what I feel like I need to do at that particular time. There's no logic or reason behind it. It might not be the best thing to do because people can get stuck on a certain style and financially that might be the right thing. But I also want to be.
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I wanna have that creative freedom. So there's not, I don't say, well, I'm gonna do this at this time. Now, when it comes to the wood firing, soda firing, those things, I select those based on if I can get to the facility that I can do those things. So I have a residency coming up at the Hambridge Center next month, November 7th to the 19th, and I'll have access to a gas kiln. And then in December, I'll be going to Queen City Clay in Cincinnati, and I'll have access to soda fire.
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So those things are shaping how I'll be doing my next batch of work.
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I love that shaping nation. You don't have to be stuck doing the same thing over and over again. And you can always go back to the things that you've done previously before. You're never stuck. You can always keep evolving your pottery. I love that. Let's talk about the business side of pottery. Can you tell me about the moment when you decided to go full time with your pottery? Well, it was five years ago. My stories are really different because I had Patreon Zach Brown. He's a country singer, a Grammy Award winning country singer.
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And I was selling my work at the farmer's market and he would see me all the time. And he said, have you ever thought about doing this full time? And I said, yes, but I have a family to think about and I didn't want to lose insurance. I couldn't just make that jump. So he told me, he just came to me one day and he was like, you know, have a big company, whatever assistance you need.
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I can help you start your career. And I didn't think, you know, I just thought he was just talking to be talking, but I didn't reach out to him and he called me. He said, well, where's the phone call? And I went over to his house and he said, what do you need? And I had all the equipment that I needed, but he helped me out by providing insurance and providing me with a salary to begin the journey of clay. And then I did that for two years. And then I've been independent for the past three.
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You know, Instagram was once where they'd share your work with everybody. Now they don't. The algorithms change. The people who actually follow you to see what you do don't even see your work. I get so many DMs and was like, I didn't even know you were still creating pottery. I don't see your work anymore. You have to do the due diligence of collecting the email list and just being persistent, persistent, persistent. So it's always about the sale. So with me and the other full-time potters that I talked to, it's just about how do you always get that market to sell, to sell, to sell, so you could provide for your life.
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I absolutely love it.
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And what people don't realize is they see your work. Social media is just a big scam. They see your work. They see that you're selling stuff. But I don't think people put it together that you're selling your stuff to live. It's almost like they think you might be selling your stuff to just hoard money. But the work you make, you're paying rent.
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you're paying insurance, you're paying when the car breaks, like you're paying for your children in school. It's always about just being able to get into the market where people can see your stuff, you can sell your stuff. So it's always the obstacle for me is always sales. And I think once you're in any business, that's what your obstacle is going to be.
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unless you're just a very, very big popular brand. But as a small business owner, more than likely there's always how to increase your sales. Absolutely. You have mentioned building relationships a couple of times. How can other potters build relationships with people? Just talk. And a lot of introverts, that's really hard to do. But practice.
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I'm not, it's not going out of my way now, but I just talk. If it's the person at the cash register, I'll say, how are you doing? Like, how was your day? But I think, because I generally care about how somebody's day is going. So that just small conversation can lead into bigger conversations. So how do you, how was your day? How was your day? Oh, thanks for asking. A lot of people get that like, Oh wow. You asked me how I was doing. We live in a world where we don't ask people how they're doing. Just start with that.
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because it just leads on to different things. It just leads on and it will just keep leading. And if you can consistently do it, it'll come back. More of it will come back and build relationships with everyone. Not just potters, just everyone.
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Absolutely love that shaping nation if you are maybe overthinking about how to build relationship The first step is just to just start just to start talking just to be interested into them And it'll start snowballing eventually and then I love that you don't have to but if you're in a business To be good at business. You have to have relationships and you have to have people who want to purchase what you're creating and
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in the business where as small as potters are in the business where we have to forge those relationships. How do you leverage relationships to help you sell your own pottery?
Building Authentic Relationships
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It's never a leverage and it's not a game. It's just being authentic. How are you doing today? And it's not like I'm not thinking about pottery. I'm not thinking about pottery when I'm talking to you. It's just how are you doing? And the conversation might come like, what are you doing? I do pottery. And at that point, I still don't force the issue. I'm not forcing the issue to sell anything.
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It's just maybe this is what I do. That might come up in the conversation, but it's just being genuine about who you are and who they are. That's it. Absolutely love that. What are the steps someone should be taking if they want to start being able to start selling their own pottery? I would say if you're in a job already, get out to your local, it could be a farmer's market, craft fairs, social media, build a website, and start to see if you can create work.
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that people are interested in buying. So see if there's a base first, and see if you're making work in a reasonable amount of time for the price point, because if you're making, if you spend so much time on one piece, if you're spending 10 hours on a piece, and you're gonna sell that piece for $120, you have to realize in a 40-hour week, you don't have that much. You just have to think, is your work and time, is it feasible?
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because that's going to be your only revenue if you're going to go in a pottery full. So these are just the things you think about. And when I first started watching like pottery videos on YouTube a long time ago, maybe about 12 years ago, I believe Simon Leach was like, you know, in a production pottery kind of setting, you want to be able to create at least 20 things an hour. And my things are really basic in terms of the adornment of it, the aesthetics of it, except for that, like the slip collection I had. And like this pumpkin stuff took a lot more time.
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If I'm doing the basic fundamental stuff that I normally do, I can easily crank 30 mugs out in an hour. I know that I can generate that revenue as well. I love that. Let's talk about discovering your voice.
Finding a Unique Pottery Voice
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Can you tell me about the moment when you knew you were heading the right direction with your pottery? Well, the studio where I started at Mudfire, there was over
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I think there could have been 150 members at that time and the members were people who are really well known in the pottery community. On the cover of Ceramic Month I could be sitting next to somebody who's been doing it forever, really good at it. I'm a beginner. So I was in year three and a studio rule is you don't touch anybody's work. I'm in the back and I'm looking at the glaze returns and I don't see my stuff in the biz stuff and I don't see my stuff in the glaze stuff.
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And I'm walking back and forth and just looking at people's work because the work was amazing. So we had beginners and professionals there. And I saw a bowl and inside the bowl, it looked like outer space. And it was a beautiful bowl. It was yellow on the outside, black on the inside. And I can't find my work. And rule number one, don't touch anybody else's work. I picked up that bowl, but it was my bowl.
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I love that so
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We're going to come back to, you contribute your growth as an artist to traveling and meeting other potters. Can you tell me more about this? You get inspiration. You get stories. You see where people are coming from. You see different backgrounds. And that goes back to that whole community aspect of my work. I'm inspired by people. On the trip, I was inspired by a student at a school in Kenosha, Wisconsin, Bradford High School, Kenosha, Wisconsin.
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He was a black male student. There were two students on the powder's wheel. And when I came in the classroom, I said, can I throw with you? And I threw with him. And he said, I'm no glad you're here. He whispered. He was like, I'm so glad you're here. And I said, I said, OK. I said, why? He was like, I'm glad to see somebody who looks like me. So that inspires me to keep going. That inspires me to keep sharing because people are looking up to me. And I taught a class at Penland in North Carolina, the Craft Center.
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And there was a, there is a young man doing an artist residency there as well. And we had a conversation for about 45 minutes. And at the end of the conversation, he said, I have one favor to ask of you. And I said, what is that? And he said, can I get a hug? And I was like, yeah, sure. Because he was another black male who saw maybe a future through me because of what I was doing and the outreach that I was making. And then the last thing that was really inspiring was Bill Strickland, who has a Manchester Gill craft in Pittsburgh.
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And he's a 75 year old black male. I'm looking at him as, wow, I can actually, I can actually dream as big as he can because he has a learning center. He is the entire community comes to him to learn on a super high level. And he owns a lot of property in the area and he's giving back so much to the community and where he grew up.
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And I never dreamt as big as what he has. And just seeing him just made me say, oh, I can really do a lot with this pottery thing. If I'm in my studio and if I don't see that on social media, because social media a lot of times doesn't share good news, most of the time it's not going to share good news. So if I didn't get out there and I didn't explore and find this good news and find this positive imagery,
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I would never know those things. So I have younger people looking up to me and then I have older people that I'm looking up to. It's a continuous thing. It's generations because he could really be my dad and they can really be my sons. Just seeing that progression makes me continue to do what I do. Absolutely love that shaping nation. The more relationships you build, the more people you can inspire and the more you can learn and the more you can get inspired as well. I love that so much.
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What advice would you give to someone that is looking to discover their own unique voice with their pottery? Everybody has a different road to take. So everything that I'm saying works for me. It might not work for the other potter. And that's the thing, you have to be authentically you and you have to find what works for you. Somebody, the way I'm talking about relationship, the other potter can find that peace with solitude and being totally isolated. So I can never make that decision. But what I can tell you is that
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If you're really passionate about what you're doing and what we're talking about as pottery, you're gonna be guided. And you can say it's God, you can say it's the universe, but something is gonna guide you in the right way if you're truly passionate about this craft, this art that we do, and you'll find your own voice. But I think you should be authentic and just be who you are. So you might be listening to me. And my advice is, it's just my interpretation and it's my journey.
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It's, it might not be your journey. And I, all I could do is just share my opinions with you and you can take it and you can try to implement it or you can just follow what your destiny is telling you to, you got to really follow your heart. Absolutely. As we are coming to a close here, what is one thing you want to hammer home with my audience today? Just, I would like to hammer home. Think about people. I always say sometimes I'm not the best person for
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a talk like we're having about pottery because I don't, I jump away from the clay because creating pottery is secondary to the life and the people that we are.
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the relationship that we're having right now, this whole talk of you sharing this with other people. Even though it's about Clay, it's about you introducing the community of Clay with people who are in Clay. The premise and the first and foremost thing is the people. Because you could have just had a blank screen with a piece of my pottery there. That's not helping anyone.
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but it's this conversation and it's this dialogue that we're having that's helping. I would just think of people first. There's so much going on in the world and we're just blessed to be in a place where we can sell a mug for the prices that we sell it for. And people will even listen to us because a lot of people, that's the least thing that they're thinking or having to worry about. People are just thinking about how to survive day to day. And we're blessed that we could be here talking about pottery. I really focus in our Hammer home life. Just think about,
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Think about being present. Think about your family, your friends, your community. Think about you.
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Yeah, just, yeah, just think about, I'm about the people first. Excellent. I love that. That was some excellent parting words of advice. Rich, it was really great channel today. Where can my arms go and learn more about you? Oh, well, hey, thanks. Pottery32.com is a website. I'm always putting stuff up on Instagram and Pottery32 will be sharing more footage and as the change you like to play things manifests itself because it's going to be a couple of year project. It's very short. It takes 30 seconds for you to take.
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my life. If you want to know how close you are to finding your own unique voice, go to ShapingYourPottery.com forward slash quiz. Hey, thanks for listening to this episode of ShapingYourPottery.com. I'll be right there at the top. If you want to discover how close you are to actually discovering your own unique voice with your pottery, I put together a free four question quiz. It's very short. It takes 30 seconds for you to take.
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If you want to know how close you are to finding your own unique voice, go to shapingyourpodtery.com forward slash quiz or you can simply go to shapingyourpodtery.com and it will be right there at the top. I hope you guys enjoyed this episode and I'll see you guys next time.