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S6 E13: Ya got any grease?
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With Disney's announcement they will cease selling physical media in Australia, including Star Wars and Marvel movies, we sit down to discuss whether this is the first sign of the death of physical media for Aussie's more generally, the sudden ability for studios to permanently bury something just to avoid paying licensing fees & royalties, and where it all might be heading.
Beers reviewed this episode:
- Six String Brewing - Wet, Wet, Wet Hop Pale Ale - 4.6%
- White Bay Beer - Up Top - Czech Pilsner - 5.0%
- One Drop Brewing - Hit Me Up - DIPA - 8.0%
- The Zythologist - Bromium - English Brown Ale - 4.1%
- New England Brewing - Marmo - Italian Pilsner - 4.5%
- One Drop Brewing - Hellenic Lager - 5.0%
- Black Hops Brewing - Code Red - Red IPA - 6.2%
- Six String Brewing - In Bloom Honey IPA - 6.4%
- One Drop Brewing - Bee Line - Imperial Pastry Stout - 10.8%
- Hawkers Beer - Oaty McOatface - Oatmeal Stout - 8.0%
- Shout Brewing - Left On - Red IPA - 6.3%
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Transcript
Introduction to Pixels and Pints
00:00:30
Speaker
Welcome back to Pixels and Pints. It's another fun-filled afternoon of episode recording. That's a sentence that I just made with my mouth. My name's Tom. I am one of your three hosts tonight. I have Dan with me. Hi. And I've also got Pete. Howdy. If you're expecting anything different, you obviously are new to the show. Yeah, because that's basically all we do. It's just the three of us. We rarely get a guest.
00:00:55
Speaker
Tonight, we're going to be doing the usual. We're going to review some tasty beers. What else are we going to do? Talk about some movies, some trailers, some games. Have a big long discussion in the latter half once we've had three beers and hope it doesn't go too sideways. That's us.
00:01:13
Speaker
Pretty much. To someone else.
Show Format: Beer, Movies, and Games
00:01:16
Speaker
There was like a distinct lack of, oh, we've lost a Dan. It was a distinct lack of enthusiasm, but you kind of got it back. That was the most enthusiastic thing I think I've done. In the last three hours. Today. Tom might be recording with a severe hangover thanks to imbibing in 11.3% stouts last night. They only served you nine. No, it was more than that. It was like 17%. They only served you 90 mils.
00:01:41
Speaker
Um, yeah, it was delicious though. Went down too smoothly. Um, but yes, we've lost to Dan. He'll be back shortly. Um, very well. I mean, let's just trundle on then with, uh, let's, let's, let's
Beer Reviews: Hoppy Flavors and More
00:01:55
Speaker
crack a beer. Cause that's the best thing for a hangover. Crack a beer. Hair of the dog. Yes. Um, I haven't tried mine. Pete, do you want to go first? You've had a sip or two can do. I am drinking.
00:02:08
Speaker
Six-string, all the way from New Zealand. Six-string, brewing's wet, wet, wet hop ale. Six-string from the Central Coast. Oh, well.
00:02:19
Speaker
Then it didn't come from here. I thought it was music. What am I thinking of? They're in Aarona. What fucking New Zealand beer brewing company am I thinking of that? Anyway, eight wide. Eight wide. Thank you. Numbers and guitar analogies. I don't fucking know. Anyway, yeah. So six string brewing, wet, wet, wet, hop, pale ale.
00:02:42
Speaker
I thought I'd go for something simple to start with, because I've got some big beers coming up. So 4.6% start up. And it's actually really good. I'm impressed. I mean, it punches well above its weight. It punches like an IPA for a pale. Yeah. Really dank. Lots and lots of hoppiness. I'm just looking them up on untapped chino-consentennial harvested from ryfield hops and brood on the same day.
00:03:12
Speaker
Yeah. Fresh hops accentuate the pure lupulin, providing a bouquet of pine and citrus alongside a grassy dankness depth that you'll only get in a wet hot brew. It's definitely danking. It's very, very hoppy for a, like I said, for a pale ale. It's surprising, so. Yeah. Hmm.
00:03:31
Speaker
What are we giving it Peter? Keep going. Yeah, sorry. I was just going to say it's quite bitter, like very bitter to finish. It's only 40 IBU, but it tastes higher than that. I'm going to give it a four. That's a pretty impressive for a pale. Nice. And you?
00:03:52
Speaker
I have gone with a Pilsner to start, the exact opposite end of what I was drinking last night. This is the White Bay and Freshwater Brewing, so a little collab. This is the up top Slovenian Pilsner. So this was brewed at White Bay with
00:04:16
Speaker
with fresh water. It's a little gold can with some, I guess, I'm assuming there's some, some Slovenian.
00:04:28
Speaker
references in the artwork, I'm sure. It does say that they were made with European malts and Slovenian hops, so they imported everything. This pilsner is a liquid high five and celebrates our shared love of lager and hops. That was brewed with the finest European malts they could get their hands on and hopped with an absolute mind bending amount of Slovenian grown Bobek and Celia.
00:04:55
Speaker
We put out all the stops with this one, a painfully long four step mash, extra cold fermentation, unfiltered, and naturally carbonated. Then there is a toast in Slovenian, which I am now going to butcher. Nazaravi? Nazgul? I don't know.
00:05:14
Speaker
I apologize to all our Selenium listeners. I have not yet to wrap my tongue head face around your delectable language.
00:05:26
Speaker
Pete was really scared where that was going for a second. But it is, look, it's a naturally cloudy, um, pills, not definitely not as, um, as crisp and see through. Yeah. We've seen some other ones recently we've had on here. Um, it does have quite a nice hoppiness to it. And it's a very strong Brady backbone of, um, of the malt. Um, it's very, very good. This is perfect. I feel rejuvenated. I feel like a new man from one sip from one sip. Imagine what's going to happen by the time I get to the bottom of the glass.
00:05:54
Speaker
I'll be several new men. I'll just clone myself. Multiple man. He was an X-Men. He was a cool X-Men. He was. Yeah. That is very, very good. That is the kind of Pilsner I quite enjoy when it's just a little bit hoppier. Yeah. I wouldn't say it's not like, yeah, still not. It's very crisp still, but definitely not as crisp as some of those filtered ones that we've had recently where it's like pure see-through almost water.
00:06:22
Speaker
Cool. Yeah, that is fantastic. Yeah, that's a four and a half straight off the bat. Yeah, nice. Very nice.
Gaming Discussions: Red Dead and More
00:06:31
Speaker
We'll have to revisit Dan's first beer when he comes back. He's currently in the middle of rebooting the street that he lives on. So I think we'll move into some news in the meantime. We interrupt this broadcast with some breaking news from the front.
00:06:48
Speaker
Go for it. You wrote most of these. Well done. I did. I even wrote your one that you like to talk about, which you will talk about. I just wrote it down. I know I saw that. I got a very warm glow. The Red Dead Redemption port has been released to PlayStation 4 slash 5. Noting there was already a backwards compatible version on Xbox Series X and Series S. So this is kind of the second port that they've done.
00:07:17
Speaker
It's a straight port. They have not done anything. Yeah. It is literally just update so that it runs on PlayStation 4 and walk away. But they're charging 70 fucking dollars.
00:07:29
Speaker
So it's not quite triple a brand new title price, but it's pretty damn close. Pretty close. Yeah. The game mechanics haven't been updated. The bugs haven't been updated. Like, you know, they got it to a pretty good state. Mind you with the game is like a decade old, but, you know, if, if there was a fuck up in the old version, there's a fuck up in the new version. Um, it ultimately just looks prettier because the PlayStation four and PlayStation five.
00:07:53
Speaker
Engine graphics engine has been up like is uses more modern shaders. Yes. So back in the PlayStation 3 days, they had some basic anti-aliasing algorithms that were kind of baked into the graphics engine. It used a kind of a soft filter over the top of that AI engine just to make it look
00:08:12
Speaker
less jagged and more pretty. And as a result, we're all familiar with the poxiness of the graphics, particularly if you look back at them now and do it side by side. So all of that's gone. It's crisp. It's 4K. The textures are a lot sharper and more legible. But they haven't updated textures. The polygons haven't been increased in the models. There's literally zero effort.
00:08:40
Speaker
I mean, that's kind of what I'm playing through with the Skyrim release I'm playing through at the moment. Like there were some slight upgrades to it, but the same thing. It's essentially the, it's the, but I, but I was looking for that, I guess. Also, I didn't pay for it because I got it through the, well, I did, I got it through the.
00:08:55
Speaker
PS plus subscription. Yeah. Yeah. But I totally agree. We come from that. It is. Yeah. 70 bucks for it out of the box. And I think that's the digital price. Cause it's, I'm pretty sure it's more as like eBay. I thought it was, I thought it was digital only to be honest with you. Yeah. It's been a few of those lately. Um, I did put a little note in it. I don't know if you saw it, but it also got released on switch.
00:09:17
Speaker
If you want to take it handheld, um, and look, it's one of those ones I never played. I think I played like the first little bit of it. Like when it, when it originally came out, didn't, didn't, didn't strike me, didn't, didn't grab me. Um, but now knowing how good those games are, like.
00:09:33
Speaker
I've kind of been waiting for a re-release of it in a way so that I can, I want to play that before I play too. I'll wait till it comes on the subscription and jump in, but yes. Throwing 70 bucks at it tomorrow. It's $70 for the physical at EB as well, but it's not released until October.
Impact of Strikes on Hollywood
00:09:50
Speaker
Right. The first one is far less in depth than the second one. The second one, you've got to oil your gun, you've got to clean your horse, you've got to
00:10:02
Speaker
maintain this, you got to do chores around the campsite. The first one doesn't have any of that. The first one's Wild West GTA. Yeah. It's still a brilliant story. Like the drama and the humour, the emotional beats in the story are fucking brilliant at this spot. That's what made it the series that it is. And one of the most amazing
00:10:26
Speaker
cinematic, fantastic endings ever. Yeah. Yeah. Fuck yeah. Um, so if you haven't played the game, do yourself a favor. It's just, I just think 70 bucks for a straight port with no effort is just highway robbery. It's like, it's offensive, frankly. Yeah. Anyway, um, moving on some sad news. Uh, Ron Cephas Jones has passed away at 66. He's kind of a,
00:10:49
Speaker
I don't know if you would know him immediately when you Google him, but you may not exactly what I'm doing. Nothing. He was Bobby Fish and Luke Cage. He was in Eddie's boss in venom eyes. Oh, yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Exactly what you said. As soon as I googled him, I was like, I know that bloke. Yeah. Yeah. That's sad. And 66 is fucking young too. It's been a few of those. Danny with us.
00:11:21
Speaker
Dan's kind of with us. Bethesda, continue to drip feed info on Starfield. They just can't help but just feed that hype train. Are you good now, Dan? Yeah, who knows, man? Who knows? That's why that's the now the fifth or sixth time tonight already. Yeah. Yeah, it's all good. Did you recognize Ron Surface Jones? I do. Yeah.
00:11:46
Speaker
Yes, Bethesda are just keeping up that hype train with Starfield. They just did a Q&A session with the developers on Discord, and basically dodged a bunch of questions, so we're very selective about what they answered. I read the transcript this afternoon.
00:12:01
Speaker
Which you would expect, obviously, but they did confirm that you can buy or acquire property in all of the major cities in the galaxy that you can play through, through either purchase or quests, which is kind of cool. And obviously it's a Bethesda game, so assumedly you can
00:12:20
Speaker
decorate it with all the shit that you collect along the way. What I thought was cool was you can smuggle contraband in your ship, but only if you buy special modules for your ship that allow you to smuggle. So you can do the full hand solo because you are subject to ship inspections and you will get thrown in jail if you get caught smuggling shit you shouldn't have, which is cool.
00:12:45
Speaker
There we go. Straight in. I don't know why that was such a violent requirement, but okay. Hey, come on. Ship inspections. Even he gets boarded sometimes. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Damn the man. Yeah. And they also gave you a rundown on a bunch of interesting factions. There's some weird religions. There's a religion or a faction that where ships are snake god. Are we still talking about the game or just life now? Just in general. Just in general, yeah.
00:13:09
Speaker
all bow down to the snake god. Dan, do you want to talk to us about your first beer, mate? Oh, yes. I'm going to tell you what it is, and then we're going to come back to it at the end of news because I need to sit on it for a minute and just get my head around it. Okay. So I've actually got a couple of one drop ones tonight. So I've got one drop hit me up, the thiolized double IPA.
00:13:36
Speaker
It has a New Zealand cascade in a mash hole, which is something different. It's got some spelt in it, but something different again. Some Nelson, some much awake, and some Citra. Double dose of Nelson.
Baldur's Gate 3 Success Story
00:13:53
Speaker
Oh, God.
00:13:55
Speaker
Yeah. I'm just going to sit on this. You'll be reading the hop list for most of the news. I'm going to sit on this and then when we get to the end of the news, I'm going to come back with my opinion on it. Yes, chef. Okay. And you managed to cut out just as I very publicly and incorrectly declared that six string was from New Zealand because I got them confused with eight wired.
00:14:20
Speaker
Very funny. It is very funny. Very good. I like that. It's like your actors names that you get almost, you get almost right. Just, just, you just, just not quite. You've got, you've got metal strings and a number in there and you just, uh, just, just got to mix up there somewhere. I just, I come from just a very slightly different universe from the multiverse.
00:14:43
Speaker
Everything's just just 1% different. Yeah, just one step off. Yeah. So, while the WGA and SAG-AFTRA strikes continue, don't ask me what they stand for. They'll be- Great Actors Guild? Yeah, which was, yes. Rightest Guild in America. Yes. Fuck yes. Yes. What is the AFTRA?
00:15:05
Speaker
Well, I didn't know that was part of it. Didn't read that far ahead, did I? Sag after. Anyway, the strikes continue. It looks, but it looks legitimately like there's a lot going on in Hollywood with these strikes at the moment. So there was a Mandalorian extra, a woman who has recently claimed that she was pressured by Disney or Lucasfilm into allowing them to digitally scan her.
00:15:33
Speaker
And she was basically, it was implied that if they didn't, if she didn't let them digitally scan her, she probably wouldn't get called back for any more extra work on the show. Now, ironically, she wasn't called back anyway after they digitally scanned her. They basically paid her 170 US dollars for a day of filming. She wasn't able to consult her union rep because Wallon said- Ooh, 170 dollars. US dollars for the day, yes.
00:16:01
Speaker
That's like petrol to get there. That's how much you get paid as an extra in Mando, yeah. So, you know, assume at least she didn't have any lines or anything like that. She would have been just an extra in the background, I assume. But all the phones are locked up on set. So while they're pressuring her to do this thing and making her an offer and implying that she won't get extra work if she doesn't, she also wasn't allowed to ring anybody for advice.
00:16:25
Speaker
So yes and then it came out recently as well that every background actor in one division was also digitally scanned. This is gonna come up again later on in the context of.
00:16:38
Speaker
removing properties from streaming services to avoid paying fees to actors. But essentially these digital digital scans allow studios to digi-double characters or actors, particularly background actors where you don't need, they don't need to pass the litmus test up close because they'll never be up close. They're just background people. You don't have to pay extras anymore. You can just scan them once and then you've got a catalog in a library somewhere of a million of these extras that you don't have to pay anything for.
00:17:09
Speaker
Hence, I mean, that is one of the reasons why everyone's striking or the actors are striking at the moment, is streaming rights and digital scan and AI and those sorts of things. So it's all kind of coming to a head. Well, we're definitely going to get into the weeds on that later on. Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:28
Speaker
The flash in case anyone was at all surprised the flash officially bombed so it took two hundred sixty eight million in the theaters box office with a reported budget of two hundred million before advertising basically means that it lost between fifty and a hundred and fifty million.
00:17:47
Speaker
Um, below break even. Yeah, that's, uh, that's not good. No, no. It's amazing how much they spend on advertising too.
Gamescom Preview and New Releases
00:17:55
Speaker
You, you make a film for 200 million and it costs you three to 400 million by the time you're finished paying for advertising. That's just mental. Yeah. Well, I mean, you think about it, you know.
00:18:05
Speaker
All those, especially now they're doing all those like digital billboards, like the 3D billboards and stuff. They must cost a fair bit to run. Plus I had to recut it because I weren't sure if Ezra was going to be in it and then they cut him back in and yeah. AC Mirage releasing a week early on October 5 while Alan Wake 2 was delayed 10 days to October 27 in case you're waiting for either of those games.
00:18:28
Speaker
AC Mirage I pre-ordered the big box set thing like last year and forgot about it so I'm glad I was recently sifting through email and found the email I was gonna buy it again like I'd completely forgotten about it and on on a related note have you seen that and it's not on the news on the run sheet have you seen the collector's box set for Baldur's Gate 3 is already being resold on eBay for over a thousand US dollars.
00:18:56
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, I mean that happened after the Spider-Man 2 once sold out. They were like, it was like two hours later, they were up on eBay for triple the price. So they were selling them, so they never sold them in Australia. First and foremost, you couldn't order them from the Larian store in Australia. Can I jump in? I don't want to open any more windows because my things already touchy enough as it is.
00:19:17
Speaker
Can you tell me what's in the collector's edition? Yeah, some custom, and this is off the top of my head, some custom in-game skins, some dice skins that you, apparently you roll dice in the game, I haven't played it yet. You do, I've seen some footage of it. You do, like when it comes up with a skill test, it digitally rolls the dice for you on screen.
00:19:39
Speaker
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00:20:06
Speaker
I've got it. Let me tell you what's in it. The collector's edition was 160 page art book, 32 stickers, a game certificate. That'd be nice. Wait for it. A game code.
00:20:17
Speaker
Uh, all the digital content. Yep. Uh, it's actually pretty, looks pretty fucking cool. You got a, the mind flies that came in. You got a magic, the gathering boulders gate booster packs, uh, an oversized metal D 20, a cloth map origin character sheets, a tadpole key ring, and a 25 centimeter high mind flayer versus drow battle diorama, which does look spectacular.
00:20:42
Speaker
Epic. Yeah, the statue is what it's about, right? But they were selling it online for $295 US dollars. They only manufactured 15,000 of these things. They sold out two months ago. So actually quite late in the game, really. Yeah. But you could never buy it from Australia. Like even if you went to the Larian site in the US, you couldn't order it to be shipped to Australia because they didn't have shipping partners.
00:21:08
Speaker
But yeah, to be, I think the highest I've seen it online is $1,500 US dollars. People are selling the fucking dice skin for $300.
00:21:19
Speaker
So they're buying the box and cutting it up into individual items and selling them off. It's crazy. Who's more of the fool, the fool of all those? Yeah. Anyway, I'm not paying $1,500 for the fucking statue. That's for sure. These days, I'll wait until someone 3D scans it and then just buy a 3D print.
00:21:40
Speaker
Physical piracy for the win. You get to paint it yourself. Have a fun afternoon. I put all this stuff down as a enormous win for Larian. If people, if people are going that far out of their way to buy this 1500 release, how many say 1500 of the maiden release? 15,000. 15,000. If they get, I mean, that's, that's a pretty big number, but it has had almost close to a million, um, users on players on Steam at the highest peak.
00:22:11
Speaker
So, I mean, that's just steam. That's before we even hit consoles and that. So they're going to hit one and a half to 2 million players once they get it across the console. So to have people wanting to, one, for there to be a market to sell them for that much, and two, for them to have juggled all of that with, and it sounds like a pretty good box set, minus there's no physical game in the box. Yeah. Yeah.
00:22:39
Speaker
The statue is pretty spectacular. Yeah. Yeah. I was very impressed. Yeah. Cool.
00:22:47
Speaker
I'll jump in here, Peter, because you told me to before.
PlayStation Plus Highlights and Nostalgia
00:22:51
Speaker
We have some- What an oil machine. That's me. I am definitely well oiled. So there are some new- Grease me up, woman. And he feels like many men, apparently, as well. You missed that little party. Many men in tights. Yes, no, so there's some new PS Plus titles, if you're looking for something new to play. Sea of Stars.
00:23:12
Speaker
Destiny 2 expansion, the Witch Queen. Don't do it. Don't get sucked into it. It'll take over your life. Lost judgment and moving out to lost judgment. Was that that was a Yakuza one, is it? Yakuza. Yeah. One of the Yakuza games. Yeah. I think it's one of the spinoffs. Yeah. And what's CF stars?
00:23:31
Speaker
See if stars I will see. Nobody knows. I'm not opening a second window. I've got it. It's a turn based RPG inspired by classics. It looks like a JP, JRPG. Okay. Retro inspired. Yes. There we go. Actually reminds me of, Ooh, actually the original ASCII Zelda games.
00:23:53
Speaker
Yeah, it looks like the original Final Fantasy, those kinds of like isometric top down. Makes me, reminds me, it makes me reminisce for Tiny Tina's Wunderlands because the Overland map between zones is very much like that.
00:24:12
Speaker
I'm sorry next by this time next week games com is on this week in germany. August twenty third. Australia time so be twenty second twenty third of their runs of a two days is five main showcases.
00:24:29
Speaker
Most of them will, well, I just found out this episode will be long out, won't be out by the time this news is, so it's kind of irrelevant.
Exciting Announcements: TMNT and God of War
00:24:38
Speaker
But anyway, if you haven't watched it yet, go watch the Gamescom stuff. You might see some stuff that interests you. Some people only get the video games and movie news from our podcast, I'm sure. You poor, poor suckers. I was thinking that Gamescom coverage could be a good one for you guys to cover in an upload.
00:24:56
Speaker
Yeah. Yes, we will. Don't you worry. Oh, yes. Yeah, it was, uh, it's old mate, Jeff Keeley, the guy who's, you know, I'm sure he's probably nice, but you just want to punch him in the face. Um, so people say that about all three of us at various stages of our lives. Oh, every day someone says that about me. Um, and I welcome it. Bring it on.
00:25:19
Speaker
Yeah. So he's doing the opening night live. There was a indie showcase. There was a, the future game showcases, the one I'm most interested in. It was showcasing something upwards of like 50 games that are coming out over the next, next little wall. Um, and then there were two other ones, which I did not commit to memory because they didn't really interest me. Um, one actually, no one's coming back. It was the infinite one, but that looked like it was dealing with that AC jade mobile game that's coming out. So I.
00:25:48
Speaker
went. No, thank you. And then the other one, nah, it's gone. It's never come back. Don't even ask me about it. So yes, they'll all be watchable, I'm sure, on YouTube in the day after they come out because I'm not getting up at 4am to watch them. That's silliness. That is absolute silliness. I thought this one would interest you guys, but Peter Dinklage has revealed he's going to be starring in the new toxic Avenger film as the toxic Avenger.
00:26:16
Speaker
So he's going to be wielding the mop, as they said. So there's some show that he's going to be revealing that out in the coming days. I'm sure it'll appear online and we'll all have a watch of it.
00:26:29
Speaker
Yeah, they decide to remake Toxic Avenger. There you go. With Peter Dinklage. With Peter Dinklage. If I saw this, I saw this in the news and it always comes into my head whenever I see his name anywhere is two YouTube clips for anybody to go and watch is Peter Dinklage Saturday Night Live Space Pants. If you haven't watched him sing Space Pants with Gwyn Stefani, go and fucking watch it because it's absolutely hilarious and it's one of the it's
00:26:58
Speaker
I usually don't go in for real dumb, stupid comedy, but this is one that just gets me all the time. And it's just, it gets in my head constantly. And the other one is for, to go and watch the intro for Game of Thrones being sung only with Peter Dinklage's name as the tune. And it's Peter Dinklage, Peter Dinklage, Peter Dinklage.
00:27:27
Speaker
It's fantastic. It's just fucking hilarious and it just goes on and on and on and the person that did it never stops. There you go. Two stupid little things to go and watch for a laugh. Amongst the infinite number of stupid things that are on YouTube, yes.
00:27:43
Speaker
But hey, go sort them out. I didn't put this in trailer trash because the trailer really is only 30 seconds long, but they have finally announced they are officially making the TMNT Last Ronin game. There's a cinematic teaser, which is the four candles being blown out signifying. Great.
00:28:03
Speaker
Great trailer. Great little trailer, yeah. So it's signifying the ways that the three brothers died, and then you're left with one last turtle who becomes the last Ronin. And then, yeah, the concept at the end showed obviously his kind of build and how he's going to look in the game and then some of the, some enemy robots. Yeah, full clean robots. So yeah, it's,
00:28:26
Speaker
Only, only, yeah, what 30, yeah, 30 to 40 seconds long, but yeah, it's cool. I'm excited for that. If they don't incorporate the Arkham style combat into this, they've absolutely missed a fucking seat. It's a massive miss if they don't, don't take that. Oh, I imagine they would like.
00:28:45
Speaker
You would imagine they would unless somebody unless they just get too uppity and don't want to copy something girls when it just becomes a side scrolling beat them up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah. And the last thing is that I forgot to type up, but I saw it in anyway. Um, there was a bit of interesting, uh, uh,
00:29:05
Speaker
that Santa Monica Studios are looking for a new combat designer. And the interesting thing about this, this role for an unannounced game, but they had to have intimate knowledge of the combat in God of War 1 and God of War Ragnarok. So is a new God of War, is that's kind of confirming a new God of War is coming. And look, I hope so. Well, they did talk about a trilogy for some time, so. Yeah. And they need to stop after that, though.
00:29:35
Speaker
Everybody's talking Egypt because there was giveaways in Agrabota's paintings in the, like I walked around and looked at all them, that there was no comments on. And I'm like, oh, I recognize that. There was bits and pieces there. There was actual figurine.
00:29:56
Speaker
depictions of gods and characters from Egyptian mythology. So it was a quite interesting to see bits and pieces show up there. So, but between the Stargate movies and, um, the fifth element movies, we're all fucking experts on hieroglyphs too. Yep. Also, as he is late and the mummy, don't forget cinematic masterpiece that that is.
00:30:22
Speaker
Now Dan, tell us about your beer. End of the news. Come on. It's okay. So it's the thiolized dipper. So it's got the thiol, uh, file powder file. Is it file file file? Yeah. Um, for Phantasm, um, that got released six to 12 months ago and it gives, it definitely does. It gives it a different.
00:30:47
Speaker
level of hot character. I'm still not sure. This is now like the fourth one I've had from different breweries that have had it. And I think I've had two garage projects that one I fucking hated that I sent to the group chat that was just like, man, it was like sweaty balls. It was absolutely fucking horrible. It was, it was just body sweat on body sweat on body sweat. It was just, it was just had this gross and so pungent as well. It wasn't a pleasant,
00:31:17
Speaker
boost of a hot character. It just was so pungent and just, I, I, if that came out of my brewery, I wouldn't even release it. Like that was, it was horrid. I sync port it.
00:31:30
Speaker
I did jump on Untapped and have a look at what everybody else rated it. And I'm obviously the outlier because so many people from Gabs and that were giving it four stars. Four stars plus. Never trust a gab for you. That is, that is 18 beers deep to try and impress a brewer. It just, it was horrible. This one, along with the garage project one, I think are very well structured. I think they've got a really, a lot of complexity to the hop character.
00:32:00
Speaker
I do feel, I don't know whether it's something that I'll get used to in the future after more of these that I have. I don't know if the phantasm is going to be something that is going to have to be put into all dippers and hazies and neepers going forward to be able to play in the market with the people at top of the game. Right.
00:32:22
Speaker
I hope it's not because that other one that obviously I tried, I would name and shame this brewery if I could even remember what brewery it was, but I'm still- Because you have no scruples. I'm not sure. Well, because it was such an overpowering thing and I think it's also one of those ones if people are interested and if they listen to the show for that reason,
00:32:47
Speaker
I'm sure they don't. I'm sure there's other beer podcasts out there that actually focus a lot more in on several different styles of beer, but I'm sure there are some people out there listening. Yeah. I think it needs to be something that people are trying multiples of and not letting- Before making up their mind. And not making up the mind and the customers need to be directing the industry on this one, I feel.
00:33:11
Speaker
I think there's going to be several breweries that are able to do it really well. Garage Project One Drop obviously do this one very well. I think there's going to be a lot of people out there. They're going to put it in there for the wrong reason and it's not going to hit the mark and it's going to hurt.
Beer Industry Insights and Reviews
00:33:28
Speaker
One, it's going to hurt the industry. Two, it's going to hurt the brewery. So I'm really interested to see how this plays out, this phantasm in the next 12 months kind of thing and how it affects beer styles.
00:33:40
Speaker
This is really well structured and layered. It's got a whole bunch of hops in them, mostly New Zealand hops actually, other than Citra was all New Zealand hops. It does have some of that Nelson sort of New Zealand-y hop funk to it. It's really complex and really differently structured. I do like it. I don't think I would go for a second one, but I do like it. I'm glad I tried this one from One Drop because
00:34:09
Speaker
They are exceptional brewers. Yes, I'm glad I tried it. And I'm going to give them a 375 because I think it's a very well-structured product. And I am enjoying it, but
00:34:30
Speaker
But I think this Phantasm still needs some work to it. I still think it needs, I think it needs to find its place. Some development and growth. Yeah. It's a big healthy 8% too. Yeah, it is 8%. I think the way we are at the moment within the industry where this new thing comes out and there's really not that much R&D time within the breweries and at a small scale to make these things work properly.
00:34:59
Speaker
I think it's a rush to market, basically. I think it's a risk. Yeah. I think it's a rush to market risk to get on top of and capitalize on the quotation, be a nerd interest in this phantasm getting into it. I was just actually trying to think of it. I don't know. I'm sure they do, but I don't even know if One Drop have like a little pilot system they would test this on. I think it would just go straight into their big boys.
00:35:29
Speaker
But it was interesting. I just like, as you were saying that, like thinking about breweries that would be using that and like going forward, I just checked on, like I tried a little search for like, I searched mountain culture, thylized to see if it would come up. None of their beers seem to have used it. You think they'd also would have been on it. Like maybe they haven't. I, I, they're the ones that I hope they don't because I think they're, they're structured and what they've got going in their products that they release. Uh, they've got it so dialed in. Hmm.
00:35:58
Speaker
that I think throwing something like this into the mix just for the sake of throwing something like this into the mix. I have absolutely no doubt they will do it, but I just hope they don't try and incorporate it into longstanding things. And if they are going to do it in longstanding things, they need to spend it. They could currently be doing it. I don't know. But they need to spend the time in getting it right and moving forward with it because
00:36:25
Speaker
I think it's interesting. I think it is. I think it's definitely, it's a, it's a hundred percent of watch this space because it could go either way. Hmm. Yeah. Interesting. That's why I needed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, we're going to move into second beers now. So I might need to, yeah, that's fine. You might need to catch up. I'll join you. Uh, Peter, what do you got? I,
00:36:56
Speaker
Really struggling with mine, to be honest. So this is the Xythologist bromium. Oh, that is a terrible fucking label. Yeah, it's almost impossible to read even in person. And it's like baby poo brown. Black on brown.
00:37:14
Speaker
So the brewery is called Xythologist. I've not heard of them before, but they did have a Gabs beer released. I did notice that. I didn't buy the Gabs beer. Um, this is a 4.1% English brown ale. It's a, it's a three 75 mil can and it costs $20. And I'm like, is it gonna blow me afterwards? Like what, like I expect to pay 20 bucks for a eight, nine, 10% beer, but.
00:37:44
Speaker
For 4%, there's something wrong, right? Where's it from? I know who's xythologist are. I knew that it would make it real. Ruined with science is their catchphrase. They're three scientists and they're, yeah. And they, they, from Melbourne, they started the brew lab at Monash university. Right. Well, all of their beers and there were six at Cudi sellers yesterday, six different, different varieties. They all use periodic table naming and labeling. And they were all $20 a can.
00:38:14
Speaker
Dude, those three scientists needs to bring, uh, it needs to be three scientists, like three men and a baby. It needs to be three scientists and a business person. Yeah, you had an accountant. There we go. Three scientists and an accountant because that's not fucking on. Yeah. I just, I, I bought it out of sheer interest to be honest with you as to what the fuck I get for 20 bucks in a, in a three 75 mil 4.1% beer. And the answer is not a great beer, unfortunately. It's not terrible.
00:38:42
Speaker
But it's it's not the engineering graduates with the three. So they're the uni students. That's what I'm hearing. I'm suddenly hearing uni students. They were uni students. They've they've graduated. OK. Yeah. Look, the beer. Look, you can taste the malt bill is what you're paying for. They've used seven different malts, apparently.
00:39:04
Speaker
And then there's a whole, a whole spiel on the- I still wouldn't put it that much though. There's still a, and there's a big spiel on the side of the can about the Maillard process of darkening when you mix an amino acid and sugar and heat and, you know, darkens and enhances flavors. During the boil. Yeah. Yeah. So you get a whole big spiel. But look, I get, I get bread. I get,
00:39:31
Speaker
Like on the nose, it's almost weird. Like it doesn't smell like beer. It's very watered down chocolate on the nose, which is not pleasant. It's got just an oddness to it. Water down your chocolate. Yeah. Do you put chocolate in the fridge?
00:39:51
Speaker
Sometimes it loosens the flavor. You get a lot less chocolate flavors. Absolutely not. Some people do. In terms of flavor, yeah, you get, you certainly get bread, bread malt, you get chocolate, you get a little bit of coffee. It's almost overpowering. I'm not enjoying it. I'm not going to sink poor. It's not quite that bad, but it tastes a bit odd.
00:40:17
Speaker
Don't fuck with the brown owl. Like it just tastes odd. Yeah. I don't get it. Um, and for 20 bucks, like it's not hitting the mark for 20 bucks. Um, Pete, does it tell you what malts are, um, used in it on the can? Uh, no. No. Okay. And it just says seven different malts. Does it? It does. Okay. And what is bromium?
00:40:42
Speaker
Bromium is the brown stuff they put on you. It's a antiseptic they put on you before surgery, isn't it? It's just what you want your fucking beard to be named after. Good job. Isn't that what? I don't know. I'm making that up. So it sounded convincing, right? Isn't that just iodine? Yeah, I think you're right. Wait, Pete, hang on. Bromium. So how much you paid 20 bucks for that can? I did.
00:41:09
Speaker
Oh, you got ripped off bud. Okay. Bromium is not actually a fucking element. So I don't know what the hell the story is here. Okay. I just, I just looked up on a different website and it's coming up as $6 a can. No. Are you kidding? I've still got the receipt. I'll go back to Cudi and I've already named them. So I can't un-unname them now. Several sites. Yeah. It's about seven bucks a can. So I think they must have rung that up wrong.
00:41:38
Speaker
I'm, we'll go back then. That's fucking bullshit. Maybe they rang you up a four pack instead of maybe the bar. It was on the, it was on the, it was on the price tag under the beer. Yeah. They fucked that up. Well, that's a, uh, but, um, 400% marker. Yeah. Yeah. 100% marker.
00:41:59
Speaker
And bromine is the chemical element that it's a reference to. It's a volatile red-brown liquid at room temperature. Its properties are intermediate between those of chlorine and iodine. Okay, cool. There you go. Still something you want to name your beer after. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, Tom, what are you drinking? Something less toxic and... Oh, bromium, brown ale, beer. Yep, they get it now. Welcome to the party, Tom. Welcome to the party. Hey, I was looking up the cost. I was being there to count for them. Yes, he was.
00:42:29
Speaker
I am drinking a, I had a damn mister, but I had a lovely Pilsner before. I'm, I'm sticking with the Pilsner theme. I'm having a black Italian Pils. Ooh. From New England. From New England. Okay. Yeah. It's called Marmo. Um, I can type this all in if you want, Pete. Uh, it is 4.5%. Um, and God bless New England, uh, brewing for still being one of the few breweries to religiously add the IBU to their label. It's 29 IBU.
00:42:59
Speaker
those playing at home. Jesus Christ, it's small text though. Let's turn a look in the light.
00:43:05
Speaker
We're all for winter styles in our damned, cold, small town. It's very cold in Uralla, if you haven't been. Beautiful part of the world, though. Something last year wasn't going to do it. So we've delivered a black version of our Italian pills. Big, herby aromas, tease out hints of crusty, dark bread and roasted malts, delivered in a brilliant, dark pour with balanced bitterness. And look, it is...
00:43:31
Speaker
It's black, it's black as a night. That is, that is a cold night. It is. Yeah. And it's, it's literally just, it's like a really good, like, like they said, dark, crusty bread. Like that's what's coming through the first sip. Yes, Stan, what do you want? That is a beer can description. That is what they should all read. Like four or five lines that give you a direct interpretation of what the liquid is in the game. Yeah.
00:43:58
Speaker
Yeah, and it's even better when the liquid lives up. Yeah, that's, that's really, really cool. I walked into the union the other day and it was just sitting there and I was like, I've had New England beer forever. I love those guys. I'm definitely gonna grab it. It's fantastic. Like it's, it's, you know, it's got that slight
00:44:18
Speaker
Like you get more of that braidedness from like the Italian Pilsner's compared to like, like a really crisp crisp one. This kind of feels like that with like, it's it's definitely on that like Schwartzby kind of spectrum spectrum. Exactly. That's what I was looking for. Thank you. I would happily
00:44:36
Speaker
Go back and buy the remaining stock of that and sit on that for that's fantastic. This is great. It also be one of those really, I'd love to have this by a roaring fire. Even like, not like a fire doesn't have to be a fireplace, outdoor fire. That'd just go so well and just some snacky stuff to go with it. That's fantastic. Five fucking stars. Five fucking stars. Yeah. Nice. I didn't give my last one a rating either. I'm going to give it a three.
00:45:05
Speaker
which is a low score for us. Middle ground. Yeah, we're pretty forgiving. Yeah, that is very forgiving. Yeah. Um, so Danny, you're going to have second beer. You're skipping it. I'll skip the second. Okay. And hit the third. Okay. All right. Uh, onto some mini reviews, I think. Oh, that just gets better.
00:45:25
Speaker
I haven't watched anything. I haven't played anything. I haven't watched anything. I have been catching up on all the shit that you guys suggested last episode, actually. That's what I've been watching. Well, I had two weeks off, so I actually did watch some things. And let me let me talk about one
Movie Reviews: Black Adam and Air
00:45:41
Speaker
of them. Regardless with the story, Tom. I will. I will. I'm going to do this in reverse order. Sorry, Pete. Black Adam. Toilet.
00:45:56
Speaker
Several parts of it, yes, definitely toilet. I thought I gave a pretty detailed review in the chat when I talked about it. It was just so confusing in parts. Like I obviously shat on Aquaman. I thought it was written by a like 12 year old boy who was.
00:46:10
Speaker
Confused to whether or not he wanted to be Momoa or he was suddenly and like romantically in love with him like I that was just a confusing thing black Adam was like all the way through it you could just it oozed like the rocks ego like
00:46:28
Speaker
And I know you can't like bleed a stone but did Christ was this a wet rock that would like you know he was his juices were all over it. And I know that's brought horrible images to people's minds and I do not apologize because I've had to see that fucking film it was just yet like.
00:46:44
Speaker
There were some certain points like the CG wasn't that good. No, it was where you needed it to kind of be. And also in places where it was like so minor that it shouldn't have mattered, but it really threw me out because have you seen it, Pete? Yeah.
00:47:03
Speaker
Don't start it, don't, I can see it, I can see it. Sit back you, sit back. The bit that really threw me out and it was very early on in the film is when they're driving the van to the archaeological site and they're coming up this mountain and for some reason the whole shot looked like it was CG. Yeah. But it was like.
00:47:22
Speaker
N64 level graphics. It just looks so fake and bad. I'm sure you could find a dirt road to drive up and put the green screeny stuff behind it for the massive dig site that they put behind it.
00:47:40
Speaker
And then just obviously took inspiration from the Gunn Guardians films that every superhero film has done now and needed to add that like soundtrack-y bit where they got a license song in. So there's this black Adam wakes up and does his black Adam-y thing and he's killing all these mercs to paint it black.
00:48:02
Speaker
But it's it was so jarring compared to yeah exactly place I made a man when that is a hacky. Was out of place and butchered to but it just really like it was like the shepherd's crook going across your neck you like pulled into a different cinema to white watch that scene and then thrown back in afterwards.
00:48:23
Speaker
I'm the weird obsession with the skateboarding kid don't get me started like that was that was weird but the heroes in that movie are so just Hawkman was the worst fucking leader I've ever seen on a team like I know it was trying to live them trying to make a funny bit about him going to the atom and being like you and me when this is over we're gonna have a talk it's like
00:48:45
Speaker
It's his first fucking mission. Like you've made this whole thing about how you just recruited these fresh to like agents to your thing under Amanda Waller. And then you're like, I'm going to beat the living shit out of you because you keep fucking up. And it's like, well, maybe if you trained him properly, instead of just throwing him in against, you know, this super powered threat.
00:49:05
Speaker
But there was no chemistry. There was no lead absolute characters. There was the acting was B grade at best. Like Pierce Brosnan. That was literally the main reason I watched it was Pierce Brosnan. I wanted to see him as Dr. Fate. And yeah, like it was cool, but he seemed to just use the one thing where he's, we multiple manned himself. He just cloned himself and tried to hold down the rock. Which we've already seen with Dr. Strange. We didn't need to see it again.
00:49:31
Speaker
Yeah. Yeah. It was, it was poorly done. The weird love chemistry between the tornado and the atom went nowhere. Like, yeah, it was like suddenly he was like, Oh, this is obviously the romance they're building up because black Adam isn't going to try and fuck the kids mum. Um, Adam Smasher too, isn't it? Yeah. Um, yeah. And then the super main place, Adam, everybody knows that. Hmm.
00:49:56
Speaker
Brandon Ruth, Brandon, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then the well, actually, that's very good. You said that because the the best thing about the whole film is the little teaser at the end that went nowhere when because they couldn't get the rights to fight Henry Cavill walks out in his Superman to John Williams theme. That was the best part of the entire fucking film. And it was a 30 second little thing at the end.
00:50:15
Speaker
Yep. Yep. And I said that to you guys when I first saw it. And he had, they gave Cavill the curl. Cavill had the curl. That was the best fucking thing. Go watch it on YouTube. That is the only part of the movie you need to see. It gave me fucking shivers. I kind of fogged up a little bit to be honest. And I said that to you guys at the time. I went back and watched it like three times. I was like, I'm going to skip back and I was like, was that the curl or was that a shadow? I went back. It's a fucking curl. Superman curl.
00:50:42
Speaker
Yeah, look, just for something that was meant to shake up the DC universe. It was just a massive rock jerk off. It was the shake up. All right. Like just having a massive old wank on himself. And that's what I felt like after I felt sticky. I felt dirty. I went out of shower. This is gross.
00:51:00
Speaker
So did I not, did, was, was not the whole thing where it was like, I was bashing the rock in one episode. Was this not in the lead up to? That was like just before it came out. I think that was the, the, the, the artwork was you as Kratos killing the rock. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was just like, I don't know, but I saw so many parts of that film that just like, yeah, I really hated man. They really made me hate the Hawkman character.
00:51:28
Speaker
Like, don't give your arms cool. He looks very cool, but he was just useless. He was a very ineffective leader. The most impressive visual effect was the rock as a scrawny dude when he's back in ancient Egypt. No, that fucking threw me for a loop. I hated that. It was so, because they didn't shrink his head at all. Yeah. It kind of went uncanny valley, didn't it? Oh, no, really. They didn't shrink his head. They didn't, they didn't pick evidence. They just, they just, they just rocked it.
00:51:54
Speaker
No, it was literally like you don't have one. I thought it might be on the shelf behind you. I thought you'd have a bobblehead. It literally was bobblehead. It just looked weird. I hated that.
00:52:06
Speaker
It was more seamless. There's two things I'm going to watch from Black Adam is that scene and the Superman scene. And that's all I'm going to watch. Again, YouTube, it saves like, I don't like it. I didn't pay for it, but, um, you know, it was, yeah, that was the, I rented it. Yeah. Uh, yeah, but it was rented at full price.
00:52:30
Speaker
I don't remember. I probably did, to be honest, because it was shortly after it was released. I think it was just after it came out. Yeah, it would have been full price. But yeah, yeah, that was it. I like to wait and admit my stupidity on podcasts. That's my shtick. Yeah. It was just, it was just a horribly confusing mess. Like, I don't know how, but I also, I don't know how the rock sat there at the end of filming that.
00:52:52
Speaker
and looked at it and went, how great he was. I'm sure he loved his own scene. Well, yeah, no, they're eager for the rest of it. Like the spits he wasn't in. I don't know how he looked at that and went, we've nailed it. Did he? The thing with narcissists is they can't see their own flaws. Oh, he definitely bullied that director. He definitely bullied that director. Like I don't know if you looked up who the director of what he's done. It's done a bunch of horror stuff.
00:53:13
Speaker
By the way, Tom said bullied there, not blue. You know, yeah, I heard it. I misheard it too until he repeated himself. Might've done either, but I thought might've gotten him what he wanted. Yeah. Um, maybe they did a little freestanding 69. You never know. Um, but yeah, there's, there's your episode artwork. No, it's really hard.
00:53:41
Speaker
And that's how we got cancelled. That's how we got sued. Yeah. Come on, Dan, we're ready to fight the wrong. But yeah, that looked up the direct of what he'd done, because I was very curious. And he'd done a bunch of horror stuff. And then to do this, it was a horror. It was a horrible dash. Very different kind of horror. But yeah, anyway, just YouTube, those two things. Yeah. Yeah. For not standing 69.
00:54:08
Speaker
I mean, don't even type that into Google. I never forget. Do that in incognito mode. It also won't be on YouTube, but in a different tube. Um, yes. Anyway, let's go on to a better film. Yeah, please take us on to something more positive.
00:54:28
Speaker
Air was great. It was very well acted. So for those who haven't seen or heard about this film, it's on Amazon Prime. It is. We talked about it. I think we did the trailer for it. Yeah, we did. Yeah. So it's Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, a bunch of others. And it's all about Viola Davis, who was Waller. She's very good at it. Matt Damon's fantastic. I very much enjoyed his acting in this. But it's all about the creation of the Air Jordan.
00:54:56
Speaker
the shoe race around Michael Jordan and how Nike before in the late 80s, I think it's set. Yeah. In the 80s, they were early 90s. They were really struggling. They were really struggling as a shoe company to get into the basketball shoe market in America. So they break it down at Converse. We had all the deals and then it went to Adidas.
00:55:22
Speaker
Adidas. And then Nike had the rest of the share.
00:55:28
Speaker
Um, the only like, and it's, it's very well done. Soundtracks. Fantastic soundtracks. Amazing. It's just, you know, late eighties and nineties, early nineties, like good music. Um, and the guys do the cast does a wonderful job. Um, Jason Bateman sell the big one in it. Uh, so it's a lot of time between him, him and Matt Damon. They beautiful chemistry together as well. Um, the shoe designer in the cellar in the basement is, uh,
00:55:55
Speaker
I've seen his stuff before I couldn't quite pick him I'll have to remember who he is or someone's look it up but um he played the wonderful weirdo cellar dwelling genius very very well and yeah but there and that goes through it's like how they finally signed Jordan all this kind of stuff but at the end of it it really just felt like a bit of an ad
00:56:18
Speaker
for Amazon to sell Air Jordan shoes. That's kind of where it went to. But how could it not have? Yeah, because it's an Amazon Studios production and it was just like, hey, we've got excess stock of Jordans in the warehouse. Can we make a film? It's a good story. The way they went through it was really cool. It was based on a true story, wasn't it? Yeah. And the best thing about it is the guy that Matt Damon plays,
00:56:44
Speaker
He was the talent scout. So the whole thing was the company will go and, um, they will get some fresh talent. Someone who's just been drafted into the sport and they will get them a deal. And then they wear their shoes and then the kids all buy them. Um, but he, the best bits at the end, when it talks about his legacy, um, and for years and years and years, college kids never got paid for anything. Um, like use their likenesses in games, all that kind of stuff. So they, they were essentially just like.
00:57:15
Speaker
They were marketed without any recompense, whatever. But he was a big part of the lawsuit that changed that. It was really cool because it finally got them paid. You know what pisses me off about this review, Tom? What?
00:57:32
Speaker
I've been looking for something to watch and I went to Apple TV's watch next, which is supposed to summarize. It certainly has links into all of the other apps you've installed on your Apple TV. So if you're halfway through an episode of, uh, what am I watching at the moment?
00:57:49
Speaker
Well, that's Apple TV native, so that doesn't count. But I'm halfway through a Star Wars Rebels episode and it appears in the watch next section of Apple TV. And I'm halfway through an episode of True Detective, which is on Amazon Prime and it shows up as well. But you got to watch next. And this didn't come up because Apple TV aren't fucking selling it. So I'm sorry, go ahead. This is a big Amazon project. Is that why?
00:58:17
Speaker
No, it's just Apple TVs. It makes it appear that it's summarizing all the new content available from all of your other apps like Netflix and Amazon Prime and etc. It's actually only summarizing shit you're halfway through all the next episode for something you're in the middle of. And it's only pitching net new material that they're selling you.
00:58:36
Speaker
Which is fucking frustrating because I was I've been two days I mean looking for something to watch and I want to watch this for sure. Yeah It's very very good very well acted It's all stars, right? They are all stars. I do I do like how Ben Affleck on the cover looks a little bit like all stars
00:58:59
Speaker
Converse. This feels like we're about to die and do a Wayne's World moment. Yes, Converse, the all-star, the taste of a new generation. Looks a bit like L.E.G. Sacha, what's his name? Sacha Baron Cohen. Thank you.
00:59:15
Speaker
Yes, no, he's donned his because he's Nike in the in the 90s. We're all about the running market. So he's in his jogging gear. Yeah. Yeah. He looks terrible. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's bad. But yeah, it's kind of it was it was it was really good to kind of it's always nice when you see those two together again, just like the boys are back. Yeah. Yeah, that's it. Yes. And it's very funny seeing because usually you'd say Matt Damon's the more calm one in that like that duo. But in this film,
00:59:44
Speaker
In this film, it's definitely, Affleck plays like, he's the head of the company, the CEO, and he's got, he's like, right into his guru thing, and Matt Damon's just the jaded guy on the road, and he's just like, like, constantly just like, when are you gonna drop the guru shit on me? Like, what did the Dalai Lama say this time? And then he's just like, there it is, fuck you, like walks out, like.
01:00:05
Speaker
I don't know. He was, he was definitely the, the more zany of the two in dogma. He was the one that was just constantly wanted to kill everyone when he was playing a Loki. Yes. Anyway. Um, yes, very much. Something we'll talk about later. Yeah. Go check it out. Very, it's, it's, I think it was two hours. Just about two hours. Yeah, it is. Yeah. Just under. Yeah. Good film. Yeah. Nice. I'll watch it. Hmm.
01:00:29
Speaker
Dan saw something on TV. I did see something. I did see something that hasn't been spoken about before. Oh, it has been spoken about before. Oh, it's been spoken about. Okay. Right here. So this is my take on it. Super Mario movie.
01:00:42
Speaker
I agree with Tom. I think this was one of the best things, not only was it adapted from something, it is undoubtedly the best video game movie ever made without a question. It's probably going to be the best video game movie or anything adapted from that media into visual TV movies for probably a good length of time.
01:01:11
Speaker
And there was not one thing I disliked about it. And it was incredibly well written, incredibly well animated, very well voice acted. A couple of the voice actors threw me out a little bit.
01:01:27
Speaker
It's fun. It's well paced. It just pulls everything in. The soundtrack is a masterclass. The soundtrack is an absolute masterpiece. I'm not going to go on about it because
01:01:44
Speaker
Most people have seen it. My one little thing that I do want to point out that really blew me away, that really at this point, three quarters of the way through the movie. And if I wasn't invested by then, I was 100% invested by that. It's going to be Jack
Top-tier Animations: Super Mario and Guardians
01:01:58
Speaker
Black's song. No. As soon as I realized there was going to be a fucking Mario Kart battle, I was like,
01:02:06
Speaker
Right. Fucking hell, they nailed it. Let's strap in for this. And they could have done this. So this is going to be spoilers here for the Super Mario movie. I'm sure most people listening have seen it. I was a very long outlier. So they could have done it. And I said to Louisa, I had to stop. Dan, for those who haven't seen it, what did you watch it on? We rented it on Amazon Prime.
01:02:29
Speaker
It's currently available to rent for $2.99 on Apple TV. I think it's because it's coming out on Peacock, so it should be on Stan. Oh, OK. Yeah, it's coming to Stan for free very soon. I think it was like six bucks for the ultra high def on Amazon Prime. So when we got to the three quarters of the way through the Mario Kart battle on their way to the third act, the end of the third act. Sorry, start of the third act.
01:02:58
Speaker
And I was talking to Louise at the end of the Mario Kart battle saying they could have done that a very different way. They pulled so many elements from the Mario Kart games where they could have just had somebody pop colored boxes out of the road and hit the box and you get a you get a power up and then you throw the power on the same way as they did the the question marks and you
01:03:18
Speaker
had to eat the mushroom or you touch the flower or the raccoon suit or whatever to get that power up but they didn't they chose a beautiful incredibly creative way to introduce all of those power ups and that that you get in mario kart in fun and different ways and not just the cheap way of popping a box when i saw the blue shell
01:03:41
Speaker
destruction cart coming through everything. Even before, once again, spoilers, skip ahead 30 seconds to a minute.
01:03:50
Speaker
If they hadn't have had the turtle go absolute kamikaze at the end and gone blue shell and wings and shot out and blown up the road, I would have been happy with the representation of the blue shell as the demolition cart coming through, like just powering through everybody all the way up the front. I thought that was a really incredibly creative way of
01:04:13
Speaker
portraying that power up. And then you get a split second of Mario before we get to the end of the blue shell, where he jumps into a cart that's got a Cooper in it and hits him. The Cooper goes in the shell and then he picks the green shell up and aims it and throws it at another cart. And the cannons are firing green shells. It was just
01:04:39
Speaker
It just wasn't a cheesy, oh yeah, I know that from the game, run through a colored box to pop up and you get a thing. But then you go to the start of that scene and the way that they had them pick the style of cart, like rolling the little Teledex thing to pick the elements of the cart and the gorillas to put them all together and the soundtrack that came with it. I forget the song that played then, but it was just
01:05:07
Speaker
It was so well done in that whole Donkey Kong to the start of the third act, the start of the big fight with Bowser. That was by far my favorite point of the movie. I thought it was so incredibly creative and well written and just well played out.
01:05:26
Speaker
I just hats off to Seth Rogan too for like nailing Donkey Kong too. He wouldn't, he wouldn't have been the one that I'd picked, but it was, uh, he, he just had the Seth Rogan laugh at one point. He was like, Oh, I thought it was great. And I'm not going to go anymore about it because it's just something that you would watch, but I do think it plays into our spotlight later on.
01:05:49
Speaker
Yep. Okay. I've got a little a little fun fact for those playing at home that if you actually break down the Peaches song that Bowser sings and Jack Pluck performs beautifully. It's incredible. Do you want to know what it has the same tonal structure as?
01:06:06
Speaker
What? Rick Astley's never going to give you up. I watched a- Which is probably why it's such an earworm. I watched that guy that we've talked about in the WhatsApp channel. Yeah. Break it down. And like Jack Black's fucking Tonal Range is amazing in that song. Jack Black's come a long way since that first Tenacious D album. He's taken a, he's done a lot of voice coaching.
01:06:34
Speaker
Oh yeah. The beautiful little moment after he's singing that song for the first time and he says to the wizard, come and do a duet with me. Let's jam. Let's jam. And he plays the. So good. The soundtrack is by Tyler Bates. Oh yes. Yes. It is on Spotify. It has had several, several listens by Tom all the way through.
01:06:57
Speaker
And he is such a, I said this last time you said it was Tyler Bates. He is such an off the wall character. Like he was lead guitar for Marilyn Manson for a while. And he did the 300 soundtrack. He's worked with Zach Schneider. Like he's just got this massive. Speaking of soundtracks, I watched Guardians of the Galaxy volume three a couple of days ago. And I've got to say the soundtrack for that was much better in my opinion than the second movie.
01:07:27
Speaker
The first movie was brilliant. The score. The actual score was supposed to be the mixtape. No, no, the mixtape. Sorry. I found the mixtape volume one was excellent. Volume two was meh. Volume three was great. I really liked volume two. My favorite scene of that is definitely still the in a little cafe with the whistle going through the spaceship. Because it's just that the music just doesn't, it shouldn't suit that scene, but it does.
01:07:55
Speaker
Um, overall, I found the movie. Okay. I was fucking teared up like a bitch. Like Jesus Christ, that movie made me cry. It didn't hit me the way that I thought it was going. But no, I just, I, I'm just, I think I'm maybe just a bit over those types of movies now. I'm just getting a bit like I've seen it all. Like it's, it was kind of predictable.
01:08:22
Speaker
You know, the whole emotional turmoil, just the boy who cried wolf ran strongly through the whole movie. Oh my God. Blah, blah, blah is dead. Oh, no, it's okay. They're not really dead. Oh, blah, blah, blah is dead. Oh, only kidding. Not really dead. Like all the way through the movie, pretty much every main character gets it. Except they don't die.
01:08:44
Speaker
Like even that last scene, I don't want to spoil it because I know Dan hasn't seen it. I don't care man, I'm not going to watch it. I don't give a fuck about any of that shit anymore. But that, that, but Peter Quill dying in space, his face blows up. He turns to ice. He should have shattered on impact when they rescued him. Like his face actually just distorts and blows out. Yeah. Right. He's dead dead.
01:09:11
Speaker
So for them to just bring him back after watching, who else dies? Groot dies, Drax dies, Drax gets shot in the chest. Drax gets shot in the chest and then like he's actually damaged. You can see blood, he's wounded, he picks himself back up slowly and they get shot in the back and just drops like a slab of meat. I was like, holy fuck, did they just kill Drax?
01:09:36
Speaker
But no, he's completely fine. Which I think was just James Gunn just going like, you know, it's the third film. Like it was him trying to like play that thing of like, who's going to like, you got to kill a character from the third film and he just goes. I understand what you're saying, but I'll just get fucked then. But to have like four or five of the main characters pretend die, it got really piss weak by the end of it. Did they not kill anybody in the end? No.
01:10:01
Speaker
Not a single one. I'm not saying it's not weak, but I actually think that might've been in, that was the intention was behind to turn that whole third film on its head thing. I think James Gunn would have been doing something like James Gunny, like it's funny to him.
01:10:19
Speaker
to do. You know what? I'm fucking not that it gives a fuck. I'm glad I didn't watch it now because that would have like, you would have had a 30 minute rant of me just going, that is a absolute piece of shit and a waste of time because they have no balls to follow through with anything. We breaking. I'm done.
01:10:36
Speaker
Okay, that's one view. And now Adam Warlocks are part of the fucking the Guardians. Like they did, they didn't split the band up. I know, but in the, in the movie continuity, they broke the band up. Like everybody's gone their separate ways, except a few of them.
01:10:56
Speaker
But they're not dead. Because any other fucking writer can't bring these fuckers back together because nobody's got any balls to write anybody out. Yeah. Because they haven't been doing that in comic books for the last how many decades? Yeah, they definitely have because there's a but there's a difference here because this is.
Challenges in the Marvel Cinematic Universe
01:11:13
Speaker
The Marvel Cinematic Universe should be doing something different that is trying to drive people to keep coming back and introducing new characters because your actors are going to outgrow and want to leave like Chris Evans. I'm done with Captain America. Like I'm done. Like I need to go and do something else. You can't go. Oh, yeah. No, I can't play it forever.
01:11:36
Speaker
You can't play. Superman's been in comics since the 20s. And that's exactly it. And so and Batman, like you can you can do these, for the lack of a better term, fake outs and partial reboots and everything ongoing in comic books because they want to do that. And this is also why I've also stopped reading comic books. I think they got to a point where the
01:12:01
Speaker
the choice to change and reboot and move on from a character. They're like, oh, this is a big change to the Batman universe, but it's not. It's like they'll do something different for the first story arc. And then that writer leaves. And then you just go back to the status quo of the next writer coming back in. It's just another scarecrow story. It's just another Riddler story. It's just another Joker story. Yeah. Sure. You get some outliers in there that write some fantastic stuff.
01:12:27
Speaker
and want to make some big impacts on the world and the universe. The world and the universe, but it's then superseded five to six. Maybe they get a double story arc run and they get 12, maybe even 24. Maybe they get to write for a year or two like Scott Schneider and Greg Pullio.
01:12:51
Speaker
Who did the court of owls run at the start of new fifty two they got two years worth of stories. Yeah you get them but then at the end of that exceptions to the rules they are exceptions to the rule and they are very much exceptions to the rule and they're very there there are the one percent of the hundred percent because.
01:13:12
Speaker
Then it just goes back to the status quo and then you get a whole bunch of mediocre shit written for that for the next five years until there's the sales start to drop and i got okay we've got to do something drastic here now to pull through what can we do death of a character why not.
01:13:28
Speaker
And then you, you roll back through again. I mean. I just, I just find in the movies these days, there's just no consequences. There's no emotional gravity to people's choices because with the very rare exception like Iron Man and Yondu, there's, there's just no consequences to any of this. So they make it out like there's this huge debate about what to do next. And you know, it's a moral quandary and it could have, you know, this consequence all that and there's risk, but there's no fucking risk.
01:13:56
Speaker
But then they did pull it with Iron Man and Yondu and it made a big difference. You look at the movies that went after that. You look at Spider-Man in Nowhere Home. You felt his loss. He was really trying to find his way to go after Tony Stark died. You didn't kind of get that impact early on with that version of Spider-Man because the Uncle Ben thing happened well beforehand.
01:14:24
Speaker
So they made Iron Man his, this universe's Uncle Ben. And he needed to find a way to move on and grow as a character. And if they're not going to make those risks anymore, why would any of us that have been with it for the last X amount of years continue on with it?
01:14:44
Speaker
And then I'm talking about doing another Thor with Waititi. And I'm just like, it's ridiculous. I just couldn't be any less interested. Yeah. Yeah. You need to be, well, they need to be carefully selecting who they are giving to properly handle these things. And Thor has always been the mismatch. Like Ragnarok was the one that made it, but the other ones have always been like, eh, that's up and down.
01:15:07
Speaker
No, Ragnarok made it because it was different. It was totally different. But then the fourth film was a was a carbon copy of the third one and that's why it flopped. Because it was it was supposed to be an exception to the rule and it worked really well as an exception. My biggest thing with them at the moment is and I'm sure you guys will probably agree is that there's and then that's been talked about pretty pretty heavily was that because it's so secretive now, there's no real like,
01:15:34
Speaker
development going on. Normally you give an actor a script and they get to read through it. They get to figure out the motivations of the character because they have the whole story. They know all the angles and stuff and they get to pick, well, actually, if I'm going to play this guy, I'm going to come up from a different thing because of... You play it however you do based on having the whole story, but it's so secretive because they're so worried about leaks.
01:15:56
Speaker
Yeah, it's it's it's stifling. Yeah, I think you're right, though. It's killing a lot of creativity. Yeah, yeah. And unfortunately, like the main the only reason that these leaks are happening is because of people who are fans who just can't have the fucking patience.
01:16:11
Speaker
Like, Oh, I blame Mark Ruffalo and Tom, Tom, Tom. I'm talking about like Star Wars, Holland. Tom Holland. Thank you. Yeah. But every time there's a set photo leak or something like that and it makes it a headline on like, you know. But who cares? Like it's like fucking hell. The studio needs to realize that like, it's not that big a deal guys. But people are still going to go see it, but they, they, it's so secretive now that it's like,
01:16:39
Speaker
But if anything, knowing that, like, the actor is in the new Batman suit and getting a couple of really dodgy images of the new Bat suit caused us to sit here on a podcast and fucking tear it apart and analyze it. And it made us more excited to see the movie. Yeah. Normally, yeah. You think of it, but that's why they stop giving actors all the stuff. Just fucking let them talk about it. Whatever.
01:17:00
Speaker
the content they're giving is good. It makes no difference. We saw the stunt double in the Batman costume and I really liked it. You saw him without the cape. I was actually hoping we'd get to see him without the cape because that led into part of a Batman story that was a Scott Snyder story that was a year zero.
01:17:19
Speaker
And I was really hoping that we would get to see that, that Batman no tape on the motorcycle got, got things on his wrist. And he's like, if they're going to do it well, design things well and not CGI shit. You're not watching, um, you're not watching Tony Stark.
01:17:36
Speaker
Iron Man, Robert Downey Jr. God, Robert Downey Jr. Fuck. You're not walking around seeing him in a fucking gray suit with spots on it and like the shoulder pads of the Iron Man suit. It's like, why not leak these things? Why not have them on set? Hey, you know what? Throw them on set one day where there's a hole in the wall over there where, you know, there's 20 paparazzi. Give them a look. Build that hype and write a good story and have a good film on the outside of it.
01:18:03
Speaker
It's a combination of things, but it's really a lot of them are talking about how it's the secrecy, which is killing, killing the creativity. I agree. The actor needs to live the character. It's to be believable for us. Yes. Totally agree. Marvel, call me. I'll
Beer Review Resumes
01:18:19
Speaker
solve all your problems. All right. I think we're going to take a break now.
01:18:36
Speaker
Well, we're fucking back, you dogs. Danny, are you going to kick us off? Take us away with your third, but second beer, second review, third beer. Why didn't you review the second beer? Was it bad?
01:18:52
Speaker
I didn't have a second beer. No, he was sipping on his 8%er. Right. Sitting on the 8%er. So this is the second one drop one I've got. So I've only got three beers tonight, which is the Hellenic Lager.
01:19:05
Speaker
The one drop Hellenic lager. I think this is a lot lighter There's only a five-cent one, but I don't know whether Pete's gonna cut out meet me holding up the glass before No, it is like it is just a crystal clear crystal Just taking even see the little man. Oh, I can't eat. I can't I can't quite get a little batch man, right with glass but It's it's just it's classic. It's got some real herbal
01:19:31
Speaker
noble hop characters to it. It's very light bodied, very low on bitterness. The first sip that I had, I thought it was long.
01:19:42
Speaker
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Fairly low. Barely low. Lower than I probably would have expected or hoped for. But it's not a Pilsner. It's an Hellenic Lager, which isn't actually a style. It's just like these Italian Pilsner's. They're not. And the Italian Pilsner is not a style. It's just something. This is a Greek Pilsner. Yeah, this is a Greek Pilsner. Yeah.
01:20:02
Speaker
It's got it's got really beautiful herbal hop character in there with just a super clean light body. Really beautiful. Really, really beautiful. It's yeah, I mean, you would say that this type of beer is a summer beer, but I think this isn't any time beer. It's just
01:20:22
Speaker
really nice and clean and great. I'll tell you what, they fucking sell it hard on untapped. The little spiel about the beer. No, no, no. But it's like, it makes me thirsty for it. It's good. You say it's almost a first trap. With our ability to strip the water, strip back the water we use.
01:20:44
Speaker
I'm glad I didn't say that. I have to edit it later, though, unfortunately. With our ability to strip back the water we use in our lagers to the pure H2O molecule, we are then able to build up the water profile and match it to anywhere in the world. This summer, we will transport ourselves to sunny Greece by matching to the same water profile you would find from natural springs in Attica for this brew.
01:21:03
Speaker
Slager is truly the heart of an authentic Hellenic Bee, with a balanced, slightly sweet character comprising of fruity nuances and continental hops, yet just the right amount of bitterness with a long-lasting and clear finish. Yep. That's a well-fucking-written spiel, you gotta, you gotta admit. Yep. Out of five? Uh, let's go 475. It's worthy of that.
01:21:29
Speaker
four, seven, five, and it's a five percenter. It's a lager. And it's not done with one of those lager yeasts I fucking hate. I don't know what it's done with, but it's super clean and it hasn't got the traditional yeasty lager character to it. Like the farmhouse-inesses. No, no, it's just a
01:21:52
Speaker
Doesn't have the calm draft chalkiness to it. Yeah. The one that a lot of people use is sapphale. It was Saf w 34 70. And it's just a lager. Yeah. I was just about to say that too. Yeah. WD 40. Yep. Let's make it squeaky clean. I'll show myself out. Yeah. Yeah.
01:22:18
Speaker
I think we both show ourselves out, Tom. Do you want to go next, mate? Or do you want me to? I will. Somebody turn on the klaxon because we have a code red.
01:22:31
Speaker
This is from Black Ops Brewing. I have had this beer years ago. I have a little check on the old untapped, see, because I thought I'd had it before. It's, they've, I think it used to be like a, just a one-off release they did every now and then. But yes, this is part of their recon series. It is 6.2% and just a classic American red ale using Simco, Citro and Mosaic.
01:22:57
Speaker
It just, it fits the bill. It hits the spots. It ticks the boxes. It's not, not in a bad way. Um, you probably can't see it. Oh, you might be able to see it. It's got a really nice, like, like the looks. Yeah. The ready browns, especially when it gets a little light behind it, it does look, does look quite picturesque.
01:23:16
Speaker
Um, but it's yeah, beautiful malt backbone. It's nice and nice and hoppy. Um, and it's very, very enjoyable. Um, and look, I, I would say, um, if they're only releasing this once a year, then they should, uh, quadruple that and release it quarterly. Um, I'd definitely get it. Um, yeah, I'm giving that a four. That's very, very good. It doesn't re change the red IPA landscape, but it does everything very, very well.
01:23:44
Speaker
Well done, Black Ops. Mission accomplished, if you will. Out of five? The four that I said 20 seconds ago. I blocked out all of the bad puns and I accidentally blocked out the score as well. I said the score before the bad pun for a reason. But yeah, solid four. Very good right up here. See that? Grab it. How fresh is it? Certainly stands out. I can. Yeah. I mean, it does. A couple months old too. But yeah, that's good.
01:24:15
Speaker
What the fuck is this Walking Dead Destiny shit we've got in the- Oh, we'll get to it. We'll get to it. Yes. Dan. Fuck. Spoilers. Thanks for asking, Dan. I'm drinking. I really completely just scrubbed that trailer because it looked like fucking rubbish, but anyway. Yeah, no, that's why I put it in there because I want to get into it. I want to get right into it.
01:24:38
Speaker
So I'm drinking all the way from the Central Coast, not New Zealand. This is in bloom, honey IPA.
01:24:51
Speaker
I've gone, I've actually got two honeybees for my final two bees. The second one's going to knock my socks off. This is a 6.4% IPA. It's fucking great. It's just so like, they really could have easily made an IPA sickly sweet by adding honey and just had that pure
01:25:14
Speaker
Residual sugar. There is an error in New Zealand. But it's got that real, like the honey flavor profile as opposed to just the sweetness part of it. Yeah, but honey, honey beers are never sweet beers because honey sugar, sugar in honey. This is very sweet. Oh, well, it's not from the honey then because all the sugars in honey are fermentable sugars. Right.
01:25:43
Speaker
Yeah. Cause we got, we, we, we did a maple brown hour recently and it came so like nicely bitter. Like cause when the maple went through, it was just got that real maple bitterness to it. And I've had some honey beers where I found it. I found it really goes to that bitterness spectrum rather than the sweet. Yeah. No, this is definitely depends on what sort of honey they use too. Like if they, because obviously honey is very different depending on the pollen that comes through. So it can be super floral, but you can also get those.
01:26:10
Speaker
Is it blue gum honeys? Like one of the Australian ones that's really popular is like they say it's floral. And then once you start to put it in beers, it becomes quite bitter because of the nature of the pollen that the honey's being made from.
01:26:26
Speaker
This is very sweet, this beer. So it has a sweetness that is distinct from the flavor of honey. Honey has a depth of flavor to it. It's not like pure sugar. It has that woody, you said floral, sometimes it's got some woodiness, some earthiness to it, depending on the type of honey. This is an excellent IPA with some specific, it has clear hop notes ringing through.
01:26:53
Speaker
But it then has this, this nice honey flavor profile attached to it and it's perfectly balanced. Um, 13 IBU, 6.4%. All right. It's, it's fucking perfectly harmonized.
01:27:06
Speaker
Uh, they're, they're spiel on LinkedIn. Sorry on LinkedIn on LinkedIn. We can tell what world Pete lives in seven or five days a week, five days a week, six days a week. And he takes one day off a fortnight for this. Brood with great excitement coupled by deep sadness. This year's edition features organic honey from our close friends at Duralong farms who not only take our spent grain for feed, but generously provided honey from what was their last harvest before hive extermination.
01:27:35
Speaker
So they must have had some, some aggressive bees. Uh, selected specialty malts deliver a deep and rich golden color while offering earthy caramel, sweet malt flavors. I should have read this before trying to be a late additions of camomile flowers.
01:27:51
Speaker
Chamomile flowers amplify the distinct floral aniseed and fruity honey notes and finishing with Nelson-Salvin hops for an additional rich stone fruit aroma and flavor. Citra and Nelson round out the dry hop to intensify the sweet fruity nectar that is in this bloom 2023. It's fucking spectacular. I'm giving it a five. It's as good as I think you could ever get a honey IPA.
01:28:16
Speaker
Good. And like, I drink fucking 10 more of them. That makes me want to go buy some. It's a shame that they have to get rid of the hive. These are very important.
01:28:29
Speaker
That comes from someone who is allergic to their sting. I'm allergic to to bees as well and yet for some reason when I'm not watching hoofer videos, I watch a lot of bee videos and bee apiary keeping and that sort of thing. I don't know why it's the dangerousness, I guess, but it's because you want to be yourself.
01:28:48
Speaker
Oh God. God, you guys are a fucking ball of fun. Can't eat chilies. I get stung by bees. Well, I'm definitely not at the same time. At least I can't just, the only thing I can't eat is fucking dairy, but it's not going to kill me. It's just going to give me this fucking shit. Uh, I think the only died yet from either of them. So I'm willing to roll the dice. Yeah. And the less I swallow a bee and it stings me on the inside of my throat, I'm not going to die. Just blow up like a fucking balloon.
01:29:15
Speaker
Anyway, let's move into trailer trash. You like things in gorging, Pete? I do. That's why I keep a bee in a... Here we go. Here we go. Yeah, no, you couldn't play off that one, quick enough. Yeah, no. It's just thinking a matchbook, like a matchbox. Like,
Movie and TV Trailer Discussions
01:29:32
Speaker
anyway. Yes, no, I couldn't. Trailer trash. We're moving on. 57 seconds, in fact, is how far we're moving on. Not 57 seconds long. Disappointed.
01:29:44
Speaker
Is that how long his engorgement lasts? Penis is funny. Children. Come on. Serious things these day. Josh Hutcheson and Morgan Freeman. I was one of those things I was thinking when you put it up there, I was just like,
01:30:10
Speaker
I can't remember the last thing I saw him in, but he's, he's having a bit of a renaissance. I just looked at his upcoming films. Like he's had films. He was in hunger games and stuff. So he's obviously got, well, I didn't watch him, but he obviously got, I'm just saying he was in them, but so he obviously had like some acting work through that. And he's been a whole bunch of stuff, but he was in, he's in five nights at Freddy's that we talked about the last recording or so this now. Um, yeah, good on him. Welcome back son.
01:30:38
Speaker
This reminds me of a Nick Cage film where it could see into the future. Next. Thank you. Brilliant film. I really enjoyed it. It's up there for me with Payday as films I just keep watching over and over again. Or Paycheck, sorry, not Payday. Paycheck with Ben Affleck. Ben Affleck, yeah. I wasn't actually looking at the recording screen at that time. So when you said next, I was like, are you,
01:31:04
Speaker
fucking dissing Nick Cage. I came straight back. I was ready to jump and I was like, no, he's the movie's gold. That's the film name. Well done. Yep. I was saying I held back. I was right on the edge. Like him and the lady that's in boogie nights. She, I've never seen boogie nights, but she is beautiful. I will find out while we talk about this actual film we're talking about Julian Julian.
01:31:35
Speaker
See, every time I say someone's gorgeous on this podcast, you give me a discouraging comment. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's the way you say it. And you don't usually say gorgeous. It's usually other descriptors.
01:31:49
Speaker
It's also the way that your screen fogs up like the window already just looking in. Anyway, 57 seconds. Looks like a, so it's set in the modern, set in modern day. It looks like he can see the future, but only a short distance, which is why it reminds me. When he rubs his ring.
01:32:13
Speaker
he clicks his ring and he goes back 57 seconds it's it's prince of persia it's the first thing i thought of when i watched the whole trail i was like it's prince of persia since time yeah yeah uh next trailer unless we've got any any more commentary no i i think that looked incredibly time travel generic movie netflix original kind of stuff
01:32:36
Speaker
Could be great, could be shit. It looks like it looks like a it should have been an episode of Black Mirror to me.
01:32:44
Speaker
Uh, Black Mirror is fucking kind of AAA grade quality storytelling though. So like that's not a bad comparison to make other than the length of time it takes to tell the story. Mmm. Yes. I love Black Mirror. So maybe that was a bad, bad, bad, uh, that looks like a budget Black Mirror. Twilight, Twilight Zone. Twilight Zone. There we go. Twilight Zone. Thank you. Black Mirror is the modern day Twilight Zone. But it's the AAA standard. Yes. Yeah.
01:33:14
Speaker
Invasion Season 2 on Apple TV Plus. Yeah, so I commented on the podcast on Invasion Season 1 and I didn't rate it very highly. It was a bit like it seemed...
01:33:29
Speaker
watching bits and pieces of it and watching certainly the trailer for season one it looked like an epic masterpiece of alien invasion storytelling and yet it didn't quite deliver it wasn't terrible it wasn't b grade by any stretch of the imagination the acting was great the storytelling was good it was interesting and engaging the aliens weren't
01:33:50
Speaker
Typical aliens creative that's exactly what i like from the trailer i thought it was like from this season to trailer you saw the aliens and they move and everything that. Kinda makes you like it kinda takes that thing in your brain to go like.
01:34:05
Speaker
Yeah, I don't want to be close to that. It gives you the heebie jeebies. It gives you the heebie jeebies. They fit in the world. The actual computer-generated creation of the special effects is fantastic. And it does give you that creepy jeebies. If you saw something like that, one of them's in a doorway at one point. It's like this tubular thing, and it shoots out tentacles to grab the walls and move forward. It's almost... Yeah, I don't want to be near that.
01:34:34
Speaker
It's it's it's almost abyss, but gone manga. Because it is very manga or very anime. Any tentacle beast is quite manga. Just the way also the way like the when they the way when you talk about the way they move the way they're like. It's almost digital. I was thinking more like.
01:34:57
Speaker
It really reminds me of the way they always show the symbiote. Yes. But it's the way like their leg comes up and then shoots out of their body again. Like they made out of so the aliens because they revealed the aliens pretty clearly in towards the end of season one. And they're like this this almost a they're a black goop.
01:35:17
Speaker
but that does move like the symbiote, but in kind of a digital kind of way, there's a structure to the fluid. Yeah. It's not organic. It's massive oxymoron there. I know, I know. But if you watch it, you'll understand kind of where I'm coming from. It's a very specific one. Which is also very fitting for them being alien by the definition. Yeah, it's fantastic. Yeah.
01:35:42
Speaker
Yeah, you wanted to trigger that uncanny valley kind of process. It needs to be a little off putting. But yeah, I just found season one suffered a little bit too much from a recurring, almost cyclic love story. It just, it leaned, but it's not a traditional love story. It was a, it was a flawed love story and it ties directly back into the aliens, but it was just a little bit too heavy handed on it.
01:36:10
Speaker
She's pining for her girlfriend that went to space and apparently died in like, and you find all this out in the first episode, so it's not a spoiler, um, who apparently died when the aliens rocked up, but then she keeps feeling connected to her. It just, it just leaned a little bit too heavily into the relationship drama for me. When it was actually, it had the potential to tell a really cool fucking alien story, but season two trailer kind of amps it up and makes me want to get back into it. So.
01:36:40
Speaker
The third and final TV one was the continental, which got added late, so late in the fact that I didn't even see it get added. The continental is the spinoff from the John Wick series. John Wick, yeah. It's one of two or three that they're doing, isn't it? Probably. It's a three parlor. That's great.
01:37:00
Speaker
It's, yes, so it's for those who haven't, haven't watched this one yet. So this is, this is, this is set in the 1970s. And it deals with Winston Winston before he's the owner of the Continental. Mel Gibson's in it, which I thought was. Wow. Yeah. That gives us some credibility. Yeah. They've they've added, I'm guessing, unfortunately Lance Riddick won't be in it.
01:37:27
Speaker
Yeah. So they've got a guy who's playing, I'm assuming the same character, but, or maybe not. It was, it was a, I couldn't remember Lance Reddick's character's name in it, but it sounded like him. Yeah. It sounded like him when the, when he opened the door, it sounded like, but the age didn't want it to seem to make sense. And then, yeah, it's, it's just a, it's.
01:37:52
Speaker
John Wick's TV series basically just set around and set in the seventies. Um, there's still the same amount of, um, weirdo assassins or with their same, they're, they're, they're one little like stick kind of thing. So there was like, you know, there's a shot of, um, uh, a lady who's just, you know, complete splits. So that's just how she sits in chairs for whatever God knows reason. There's a lady with half a face mask on like samurai style, um, all this kind of stuff. Like everyone's kind of got their little like, that's how you stand out in the assassin universe.
01:38:21
Speaker
Um, but it's a kind of, it's pitching it. What I took from the trailer is it's pitching it as a, um, uh, one brother's done something wrong. So he's got to go against the, the, the, the continental, which is all the assassins. And then like the massive fight scenes, they all fight like John Wick in this one. Um, that's the, that's the combat they use. It's got the potential to be really cool. It looks, yeah. And then they form like a bit of a group to take on the continental. I'm sure it's meant to be. And then that's how Winston takes over.
01:38:50
Speaker
Three parts, three, three, condense it, do it well, tell a story, be done. Gotta milk the cow. Gotta milk the cow. Gotta wank those teats, man. I remember, and I regret saying this, when we first reviewed John Wick 1 on the podcast, like four years ago, whenever it was, it actually must be five years ago now. It must've been pretty early in our podcasting career, Dan.
01:39:17
Speaker
Um, I remember saying that I really enjoyed the fact that they're throughout the first movie, there really seemed to be a lot of subculture that they would had just floated on the surface. They didn't really explore, but there was depth to it. It was a lived in universe. Fuck. I regret saying that because then they milked the fuck out of it over five or six more movies and at least two spinoffs. Cause we're not, this is only one of two spinoffs that they've already announced. What's the second one? Uh, I can't remember the name of the other one. Um, that's good. It's the Japanese lady.
01:39:48
Speaker
I think it might have been focused on her and it's a prequel story about her from memory. Oh, okay. So this, yeah, the continental is, it's the episode titles are night one, night two, and night three. So it's three nights, really succinct story. Yep. That's great. It will be available through it's Peacock. So I'm assuming Stan, I think we have a deal here in Australia. I might actually have to turn that back on for a little while.
01:40:14
Speaker
Yes, I really want to watch Twisted Metal and I haven't started yet. I like cars that explode. I love the Transformer series. Truck go boom. It looks fun. Again, it's going to be one of those things like air. It's going to have a killer soundtrack. I'm just going to pick some really cool songs from the 70s and just blast them out and I'm going to enjoy every time they use that well.
01:40:38
Speaker
um yeah yeah that's it so that's that's that's the continental it is uh september it's about to come out it's got to be out soon september 23 so yes coming to a screen near you
01:40:52
Speaker
Um, game time,
Criticism and Fatigue in Gaming
01:40:54
Speaker
game time, game time. Dan, you can kick this one off. This is you, pal. This popped onto my radar in my YouTube feed this morning because I have far too many cyberpunk videos in my YouTube stream. Not enough who videos clearly. Not enough. Not enough of cleaning videos. My, my, my feed is full of, uh, armor making blacksmithing and cyberpunk videos is pretty much my YouTube feed, which is good.
01:41:21
Speaker
We're manly men, sorry.
01:41:25
Speaker
at Neo Berlin 2087, such a generic fucking name, Cyberpunk 2077, Blade Runner 2049. The next Blade Runner is the TV series as set before 2049. I still think Deus Ex is still the best version of, Deus Ex Machina was the best game that they made along these lines. It was just Deus Ex actually. Deus Ex, well there's four Deus Ex, there's the two original ones and then there's Human Revolution and Mankind Divided.
01:41:54
Speaker
Mankind Divided was the one I was thinking of. Yeah, so Human Revolution was the first of the reboot. Right. And then Mankind Divided was the second. So Neo Berlin 2087 looks like this studio was trying to beat Cyberpunk 2077 at their own game and making a third person to first person
01:42:19
Speaker
Detective Noir. Cyberpunk. Where the cars look flyable and all that sort of stuff. So it does look like a real mesh of things that they promised for Cyberpunk 2077 versus things that are in Blade Runner 2049 with the Detective Noir. So it does look good. And like a lot of Deus Ex in there as well with the
01:42:48
Speaker
first person shooting, but third person combat takedowns. There's a lot going on there, but it looks like an interesting story. There's a new Berlin Wall that's been built in this massive corporate cyberpunk world. Me and Pete definitely broke down the cyberpunk
01:43:08
Speaker
genre of within the sci-fi universe in our upcoming episode. The last episode, go back to it and listen to it. Give us a like and subscribe. Haha. Man, we bow down to thee. No, not fucking listening to it.
01:43:29
Speaker
Um, but this is, this is right up my alley. I mean, I thought, I thought it looked really good. If, if they deliver on this, what this has promised it, it'll look good. So yeah, you know, Berlin 20 87. Go and check it out. From something that looks really good to something that looks really fucking wide bottom. Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about this next one. Walking Dead Destiny's. I literally scrubbed with this. Is this a fucking mobile game? Not.
01:43:56
Speaker
Oh, no. What would happen? What would have happened if Shane wasn't successfully killed? It's branching storylines of the Walking Dead. So it covers seasons one to four and you get to do like, yeah, if Shane wasn't killed and Rick was killed instead in that standoff.
01:44:14
Speaker
And then you get to play through the series. It's perfectly bad. Yeah. So bad. You talk about PlayStation graphic callbacks. It is a fucking PlayStation 2 callback. This isn't three or four. This is a two.
01:44:30
Speaker
They did say it was alpha footage. Alpha footage. No, fuck that. Like we've seen so much better. You're developing Unreal 5. It looks better than that. I'm not, I'm not defending it. I'm just saying. No, no. We're not attacking you either. I'm factually saying the things. It looks fucking horrible. Also, I can't believe they're still, because they're about to do the whole renaissance of Walking Dead TV shows. Well, it's perfectly timed because Daryl's being advertised everywhere.
01:45:01
Speaker
Literally, literally beating the dead horse. Yeah, this is just, look, I gave up.
01:45:11
Speaker
I think I watched the first season when Negan came in with Jeffrey D Morgan. I watched, you know, Jeffrey D Morgan is amazing. Such a great actor. But after that, I was just like, I can't keep doing this. It sucked the life out of the show. So I quit two episodes after
01:45:29
Speaker
What's his name? Dies. I can't remember his name. Thank you. I got two episodes past that. Gave up on it for five, six years. And I recently rewatched all of it with the intent to just finish it. And I got up to the end of that season where Darryl dies. Sorry, Darryl dies, where Glenn dies and stopped again. So I still haven't seen it all.
01:45:59
Speaker
It's just such a depressing fucking show from that point. Like it was always pretty pointless. But it's not even depressing. They go from that point and they always did suffer from it a little bit. And it's what it's got now. It's just bloat. There's so much just talk. You get on from that part and you get
01:46:19
Speaker
The son ends up in Negan's camp and then you've got like four episodes of Negan fucking walking him around the camp talking to him and then you've got the kingdom shit and like nothing happens for like five episodes. And you're like, I get you've got to do character development, but all you have to do- But not at the expense of interesting your audience. And then one hour episodes. Yeah. Fucking one hour episodes. Was that the guy with the tigers? The kingdom you're talking about? Yeah.
01:46:47
Speaker
And I think I think I got to when they first really get to him and then I was just like, nah. No, I got to the end of that season. I just, I failed. And yet I would really enjoy watching Darryl fuck shit up again. So they're making the Darryl series heavily at the moment. They got the Negan and Maggie series in New York, which is just Escape from New York. I don't understand how those two characters end up together.
01:47:16
Speaker
Um, I don't care enough to figure it out. Like clearly, if you watch the end of walking dead, you'll figure it out. But there's also always been a Rick series too. Is there really? Yeah.
01:47:28
Speaker
I'm pretty sure. He dies at season nine or something? No, he doesn't die. The helicopter come fix him up, doesn't it? Like I've seen the cliff notes of all this, so don't worry about any of this. I thought he died. I know his son dies. Everybody fucking dies except Daryl, Maggie. I'm pretty sure he didn't die. I'm pretty sure there's a, there's a Rick series coming as well, which is the last of the, the, the spin-offs, the group new spin-offs that they
01:47:51
Speaker
There was also the Day of the Walking Dead or something like that. Fear the Walking Dead. Fear the Walking Dead, which actually wasn't bad. That wasn't bad because it went back to- Walking Dead, the ones who live has Andrew Lincoln. The ones who lives. Yes. Yeah. The ones who live. So the Fear the Walking Dead was good for the season. I saw season one, a little bit of season two.
01:48:14
Speaker
Because because it was it filled in that gap while Rick was asleep. It was the outbreak. Yeah. So you follow this. That's where it needed to stop. That's where it needed to stop. Yeah. Like it was just it should have been the outbreak. It should have been maybe two seasons. I think they got up to three or four. Yeah, I think they're up to like four. In the worst city, probably one of the worst cities on earth to be stuck in the zombie apocalypse. L.A. Yeah. Too many people. Overpopulated already. Yeah. Like you've got zero fucking chance.
01:48:42
Speaker
Yeah. Anyway, sorry. We're getting really caught up on this, but, um, cause no one needs to play. Six seasons. It went through six seasons. Jesus. I'm going to pay again. Uh, quantum era. I like the look of it, but I don't know what it's going to do. Make genres, but I do want to hear your quotes. Well, you can listen back cause we're not waiting for you. Go on. So quantum era is the last, last thing we've got. So what is it? Walking Dead Destiny's probably not going to keep an eye on it.
01:49:09
Speaker
just wanted to point out how bad it looked like that. It's shocking. Like whether or not it's alpha footage or not, it looks like a fucking turd. Yeah. And not even a shiny one. Like cause it's walking dead. So it's, it's, but like even the blood sputter just looked bad.
01:49:26
Speaker
Yeah, it's just it looks cheap. Yeah, yeah, it really did. So last game is called Quantum Error. This was announced three years ago for PS4. Really? I did not know that. PS4 and PS5. It has finally now been said that it's
01:49:44
Speaker
just for PS5 for the ditching PS4. The development studios come in and said it would require too many cutbacks to get it running on PS4. Good. There's a studio with testicles. Yes. And so they're going to announce it for PS5 and then I think later on they'll release it for PC and then series box, whatever.
01:50:08
Speaker
Actually, I've really got it. Oh, dad's back. This is great. I just fucked up whatever series. What is it? Series X? Series X. Series X. My mom's partner the other day, we went for lunch and she goes, how was she two weeks off? I was like, it's great. Did nothing. She goes, oh, so what did you do? Just sit on the play box. And I was like, I can't believe you managed to marry them so well together. Yeah.
01:50:32
Speaker
the Playbox or the X station. I was just like, oh, that's fantastic. But yes, so quantum era, it was originally announced for PS4 and PS5 about three years ago. It's been stuck in obviously some sort of development hell, or they've just been working on it quietly in the background. It doesn't look horrible. Now they're releasing on PS5 and it's
01:50:55
Speaker
a combination of, I got, again, control vibes from it, watching the gameplay, and then Feynman Sam. I wrote down Doom Stalker and the Backdraft movie had a three-way. Backdraft. I thought it was going to be that fun, they're coming. At least they talked about the film. We've all been there.
01:51:22
Speaker
But it's got that real horror first-person shooter style of stalker but there's clearly references to hell and hell-based and shit from doom. It was more Cthulhu and stuff I got from it.
01:51:38
Speaker
But yeah, it looks, it looks interesting. Yeah. I really liked the way that he was, um, you see in the little bits, like he get, he's getting through a locked door and he's like, well, fuck this and just puts in the Feynman's jaws of life. I was like, that's genius. Yeah. It reminded me a little bit of, of, uh, alien colonial Marine as well. Had that real. Yeah, definitely. Don't stop moving.
01:51:58
Speaker
paste to it. Yeah. It felt like it looked like survival horror, first person shooter. There's some building mechanic involved in there as well. Like who knows, but it's real weird blend of genres in there. But I mean, all it takes is one clever studio to pull those things together and do something great. Fantastic. Yeah.
01:52:24
Speaker
And again, look at control. That's a brilliant game. I need to play it. I was very disappointed. I reinstalled it on my PS5 the other day. And I thought the PS5 upgrade was a free upgrade. It's not.
Upcoming Game Anticipations
01:52:41
Speaker
Well, because I only did that for the first year or so. Oh, really? Obviously I didn't cash in on that. I'm going to report later on that I'm not like I'm not playing anything at the moment, but
01:52:53
Speaker
I'm really going to struggle to make up my mind as to whether I'm going to play Starfield or, uh, Baldur's Gate three first. Both of the investments from, from what I understand. Yeah. I've already invested like $900 in a console for one of them. Do you want my opinion? I'm sure you don't give a fuck about my opinion. We should probably pause and talk about this in, are you winning son? But yes.
01:53:20
Speaker
I would. Oh, we can. We can. We can pull that. We can pull that flatter. Yeah, we pull that flatter. Put a pin in it. All right. There's a little teaser for later on. It should play. You're definitely going to hang on for that. Um, before let's do it. Well, I'm not ready. Oh, fuck. Oh, you can start and I will catch up.
01:53:40
Speaker
Yeah. No, okay. All right. I am drinking another cracker of a fucking beer. I'm going to be trashed by the end of this episode. This is one drops B-line. It's a very- Oh yeah. Oh, I've had B-line. Very honey, honey focused, uh, episode for me or second half. This is a salted honeycomb. Sweet thing. That's right. Salted honeycomb Imperial pastry stout at 10.8%. And it's a fucking corker.
01:54:11
Speaker
Beeline's a very good beer. Yeah. A Buzzy's new Imperial pastry number with over nine types of specialty malts, a lactose heavy base, and loaded to the hilt with pastry laden adjuncts, honeycomb, pecan, salted caramel, vanilla, and sweet cream. Think big. Think decadent. It will have you making a Beeline straight to it. Beeline straight for the diabetes pen just to change off after you finish.
01:54:38
Speaker
It's fucking spectacular, I've got to say. What ABV was it again Pete? Did you say or did I? 10.8. Whoa! Yeah. Morning! It's definitely a night ender. You do get the salt, like they talk about salted caramel. You definitely get the salt, you definitely get the caramel. You get honeycomb as opposed to honey from the IPA I just finished.
01:55:05
Speaker
It is a little bready. Like you can tell it's a pastry stout. Yeah. It's got that malt bill in it that kind of grounds it without, you know, like otherwise the flavours just run away with themselves. And 10.8% is hidden. It's buried in all of that sugar. You don't taste it at all. That's fucking lethal. I'm going to give that another fucking five. That's two fives for this episode for me. Both of those beers are fucking spectacular.
01:55:35
Speaker
I'm definitely going to be slurring later. I don't think I am now. Um, you didn't want to say anything, but not yet. Not yet. I give you, I give you a, let's call it. Uh, what is it? It's a seven 27. Should we give it a 25 minutes? I'm calling 25 minutes. And, uh, till we start to get 25, uh, you're the next three mouthfuls. What are you drinking, Tom?
01:56:04
Speaker
I am drinking apples I am gonna have a mouthful this I am drinking one of the best name beers that I've seen in a long time is the hawkers oaty McOat face. It is a oatmeal cacao peanut milk stout.
01:56:21
Speaker
Um, so, uh, like hawkers obviously make fantastic stouts and have for a long time. They're barrel aged stats or some, some of the best, um, coming out. They're up there with brick lane. Good old Melbourne. Um, I, I would honestly say, I would, I would say they surpass brick lane in a number of ways, but yeah. What's the ABV? The ABV on this one is a rounded 8%. Okay.
01:56:46
Speaker
Yeah. Um, and I think I've ordered it from you actually. Good. Cause this is delicious. This is, um, like I'm not the biggest fan of peanut and chocolate together. I've never been like, I'm not a racist pieces. But that works really, really well. I do like the, the peanut and, um,
01:57:02
Speaker
the peanut and chocolate in a beer though. So I quite like this. Really smooth. Like the oat base is super smooth. That is, it's, it's quite rich and sweet. You get a little bit of the saltiness from that, from the peanut butter kind of coming through. Like it's, you know, it's thick as mud. Like, yeah, it's, it's like, it's, it's
01:57:28
Speaker
tangibly thick on the tongue the way it runs down like really coats like your whole mouth in a quite pleasant way I think really from those oats and it ticks all those boxes on the box it's not overly it is like
01:57:41
Speaker
The chocolate sweetness isn't so much that it's sickly, but it's definitely present. Um, yeah, that's, that's very good. Odie McOat face. Best name for a boat as well. The boating with boat face. I think I still think that's one of the greatest campaigns that ever existed. Um, yeah, I'm giving that. That's a four and a half. That's really, really good. I've been sitting on that for a while. I'm glad I saved that for, for recording. I was going to have that on my lonesome, but no better to, uh, uh, have, have and recommend to people. Yeah. If you can, if you can find a candidate, definitely grab it.
01:58:11
Speaker
Yeah, awesome. Yeah. Good mix of flavours. I have a Shout Brewing from Newcastle, left on Red IPA, 6.3%. Left on Red IPA, 6.3%. It's a special release from then. We've never had Shout Brewing on the podcast. Shout, a very small brewery. I do have to say
01:58:35
Speaker
I did receive this beer for free. This is not an endorsement. This is an endorsement of their brand and their beers, but not a paid or forced endorsement. This is a genuine opinion on their product. But just look at that. Look.
01:58:53
Speaker
We've got some light behind us. It's a lovely rich red. I'm looking at it online. Oh, can we get this? Oh, there we go. Oh, yeah. There we go. Yeah. We have severe backlighting. Yes. It's got, it's, it's obviously. Yeah, some real rich caramel notes. It's even redder than it's showing up on camera, but it's a, it does have super caramelly
01:59:14
Speaker
body to it, but it's got a really good Simcoe or something along that resinous mosaic Simcone line of Simcoe, line of hop character in there, and a good solid business. I'd like a touch more. Just a fucking- One more notch. One more notch, please. Just one more notch.
01:59:35
Speaker
But it does, it's got a great hub character. It's super clean. That caramel malt base really comes through. And that 6.3 doesn't sit there at all. Like it's not, it's not present. It's just, it's just caramel. Bit of residual sweetness from that, from that malt character as well. But it all works. It's all leveled and balanced and layered, layered together. It's a, it's really beautiful. I would give that, God, I really want to give it a half mark, but I can't
02:00:06
Speaker
Um, because you're weird. Yeah. Like I keep telling you, this is the hill we're going to die on. It was a figment of your own imagination. Someone said something somewhere. So this is the hill. No, that's not what happened. That's not what happened at all. You came up with it just randomly one day. You said it to yourself in your own brain space. It was a conversation that you had with yourself. That's right. It was, it was my, it was my stand against quarter points done on untapped.
02:00:36
Speaker
No, we got that part. It's just no one else gives a fuck. That's all. Yeah. Well, 4.25, so fuck you. I don't take a payment either way. I forgot to mention in my little review of the beer, this is a collaboration. This beer,
End of Physical Media Era?
02:00:56
Speaker
but not with another brewery. It's with hunted and gathered chocolate from Melbourne. They provide the cacao.
02:01:02
Speaker
And I just looked on their website. They also do a whiskey barrel aged hazelnut chalk spread with Starwood. And I'm probably going to buy that because that sounds amazing. Dan's reaction could not have been further from yours. Yeah, well, you know what, hazelnut. I like hazelnut.
02:01:28
Speaker
All right. Let's, let's get onto the spotlight. We've, we've stalled enough. Here's the rabbit hole. Did we, did we stall? Welcome to one the land. Stalling. Welcome to one the land. Yeah. So, so the point of the spotlight, is everyone cool if I intro it? Yeah, do it. All right. So the, the, thank you that the poor,
02:01:48
Speaker
Why would you Tom your fucker? Nope, you're doing it. The point of this spotlight, although the start of the spotlight was a news article that Dan forwarded to us yesterday that was actually posted some time ago. I think it was the end of July.
02:02:04
Speaker
And that is that Disney. From one of my most hated websites as well. Screen Rant. Screen Rant and CBR.com. I fucking, I hate them. Why? They are the most clickbaity fucking website in the world and their writing is horrible. That is some of the worst journalism I've ever read. No, you can read some really good stuff, but I think those two in particular, they just, they just repeat themselves over and over every paragraph.
02:02:31
Speaker
That's my rent, that's the hill I'm dying on. I would fight Screen Rant and CBR.com until the day I die.
02:02:38
Speaker
Okay. Well, very random. It was literally the first one that came up when I put it into Google. So like, yeah, anyway, we'll cover this article. You go. So, um, Disney has announced that they will stop selling physical media in Australia that covers DVDs and Blu-rays.
02:03:02
Speaker
And that one news article posted in our group chat just launched a fucking spiral of conversation. And it wasn't meant to. No, but in a good way, though, like it's really interesting because I actually think like this is a this is an important topic for anyone who's in the video game and music and TV movie industries or or enjoy those those medias.
02:03:30
Speaker
And it is kind of an echo of what happened already with the music industry. But the music industry is undergoing a renaissance with, like my nephew is 19 and every year we buy him, well, the family. Records? Records. And he listens to those records. Records?
02:03:52
Speaker
You know, I actually considered this and like just kind of an unstructured introduction to the topic. So this is what we're going to talk about is the end of physical media. Yes. Yeah. And there's lots of consequences. I think there's a lot of conversation to be had around this topic and a lot of things that should be considered. But on the topic specifically of its alignment to what happened with the music industry,
02:04:17
Speaker
And the new renaissance or prevalence of records, records offer something that digital media doesn't. And so it's having a renaissance because it has value. It has a unique value that you can't capture any other way. I'm not sure that that is entirely why people are collecting records or going to records. Maybe there's a wank factor to it. Yes, there's some people's wank factor. I used to run a record fair at the pub.
02:04:45
Speaker
And it brought out the weirdest and flakiest fucking people out of the woodwork and their little like dry caves that they kept all their records in the milk crates. So it's either them or the CBC crew from Facebook asking you what Uncle Hop's? They're all fucking mouth breathing necky fucks. So, you know, off we go.
02:05:08
Speaker
Some of them do listen to the show Tom. There's definitely a wank factor to it. There's definitely a wank factor to records, but there's also a unique value proposition that records offer that digital media doesn't. Even if you
02:05:24
Speaker
get a lossless FLAC file, you will hear the difference. If you run a record player through a tube amp, which are also experiencing a renaissance for the same reason, you will get a warmer, smoother, mellower sound than you can ever get out of any digital media. Until you get that fucking crackle through the background. And it's like, oh, I was trying to hear that note, but I can't hear it over the scratch that someone's put on this.
02:05:50
Speaker
Um, so, so, but the end of physical media for, for movies is something we've talked about before. Yeah. Ages ago, wasn't it? Yeah. I've, I brought up some concerns a couple of years ago. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So, so, so first question on disappearance of physical media. What was the last physical movie that you two bought? Movie. The Lord of the Rings, Blu-ray. Yeah. Um, the, the extended edition trilogy on Blu-ray.
02:06:20
Speaker
For me, it would have been around the time of Batman versus Superman on 4K HDR. So four plus years ago. There's got to be something more recent. I just can't picture it. I've got a I've got a bookshelf full of 4K discs. Yeah. And I'll tell you the reason I specifically bought the physical media that I couldn't replicate on streaming.
02:06:42
Speaker
Um, I've got Dolby Atmos. I've got height speakers. So I've got speakers. I know I'm a wanker. There's no question about it. We've established this long ago in the, in the podcast, but I've got, I've got, uh, 12 speakers in my house. One of them's a sub. And so.
02:06:57
Speaker
A lot of streaming services don't offer Dolby Atmos. I can tell you the exact date, Dan. It was the second of December 2020 was when the Lord of the Rings released on Blu-ray. And that is literally the last time I ever bought a physical movie or show or show.
02:07:17
Speaker
OK, I bought some stuff recently. Well, not not recently, probably 18 months ago. So you you actually bring up a very interesting point that I didn't take into account during this this whole. Thought process, right? That I actually didn't think I didn't know there was something that could be delivered from a. Physical disk versus a streaming service. I should say.
02:07:47
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, in terms of audio tracks, if you look at any good, not all of them, but if you look at something like Avatar, for example, you'll get you'll get the mastered Dolby Digital DTS or Dolby Digital and DTS package, which is the way that they designed the soundscape initially, which is why it's mastered that way. You'll get Dolby Atmos. You'll get a true 7.1 bit stream. You'll get a 5.1 bit stream. So yeah, you get like seven layers of audio.
02:08:16
Speaker
Whereas whereas on streaming you get whatever they deliver and and and you know more and more high quality like Apple plus or Apple TV purchases will give you Dolby Dolby Atmos streamed. Well it's one of the things you can actually filter by on some of the streaming sites now. Bitrate is nowhere near as high as it comes off a desk and so the quality isn't as high.
02:08:41
Speaker
That's incredible because that did not factor into my, my thought process. Most people don't have a $10,000 sound system and a shitty TV that's got scan lines in it. Yeah. I want to hear the helicopter go over the top, but not many people care. Also, like we should say, not many people can realistically afford it.
02:09:04
Speaker
We are in a cost living crisis currently. And people just can't afford to go out and get sound systems that benefit from those things. When they can get something that's a special release on say like Kogan or Amazon that they can get. I think that's actually another truly valid point you bring up there, Tom. Something that also didn't come into my factor of putting this out there is
02:09:31
Speaker
Is someone willing to pay $14 a month or whatever Netflix is these days to have the wealth of content that is on Netflix library over paying $35 or whatever it is these days for a 4K or a Blu-ray disc of a singular movie? Now, I know what my choice would be, but
02:09:56
Speaker
That's outstanding. But it's interesting you say that because if you want to own the movie as opposed to stream it, you still pay 30 bucks to buy it. I think that's another part of this conversation, but I think the
02:10:12
Speaker
The distinction between streaming and physical media is the first distinction. The wealth of the wealth of hundreds, if not thousands of shows and movies versus a singular movie. Let's talk 30 bucks. Two months worth of Netflix. Keep talking. I'll be right back. I got to pee.
02:10:31
Speaker
Yeah, I think actually just a really good point because we've got this price comparison from talking in this episode alone. So to buy the 4K Ultra HD Ultra HD HD HD ultra HD Super Mario Brothers, like disc edition, it's 40 bucks at JB and $40. Well, that's like the collect the power power up edition.
02:11:00
Speaker
Okay. So can I just, this is almost probably a Pete question because this is my technological ignorance is if I was to buy that disc, that physical disc, that ultra HD disc, could I play it on the PS5 on my current TV? I think so. I think so. Yeah.
02:11:22
Speaker
It's an ultra 4K HD Blu-ray, which is $39.98 on JV. The straight Blu-ray is $29.98.
02:11:32
Speaker
So 10 bucks difference, 10 bucks difference. So now we're talking about prices. No, no, no. I'm actually bringing up, so I was saying, so looked at the Super Mario Brothers on JV. So the Ultra HD slash 4K was 40 bucks. The Blu-ray is 30 bucks. There's $10 difference there between the two editions. And Dan paid six bucks to rent it for. To rent it. Rent it for two, two nights, two nights, I guess is the. Whereas if you bought it, if you bought it when it was first released on streaming services,
02:12:02
Speaker
It would have been about $35. It was $34.99 or $29.99. They're the only two prices they come out at. I've only ever bought one, outright bought one movie on a streaming service, and I am not disappointed that that movie will get erased from history. That is Matrix
02:12:20
Speaker
Ah, yeah. Satterections. Whatever. Yes, Satterections, whatever that one is. But if I like watching Mario last night, I will absolutely buy a physical copy of that movie because I want to watch that on my terms. I don't want to be at the whims of my fucking internet provider. And I want to be at the whims of my fucking streaming provider. I don't want to pay these fucking assholes. And I was this close to saying,
02:12:51
Speaker
Thank you for that distinction, Dan, you motherfucker. Sorry. That was comedy gold. I'm glad I didn't say that. There had to be a zinger put in there somewhere. But I would absolutely- I'm the only one who's been well behaved tonight.
02:13:12
Speaker
I would
Streaming Services and Licensing Issues
02:13:13
Speaker
absolutely, I will absolutely buy that movie because I want to watch it on my terms. We've been online now for just two hours and 45 minutes. We didn't start for the first 45 minutes because I was having dropout issues. If I was trying to watch the movie that I wanted to watch while I was doing something or actually just wanted to sit and watch that movie,
02:13:37
Speaker
And if my internet kept dropping out, like I would have been absolutely infuriated. You have to go back to the days when you had to buffer it for 30 minutes, then you come back to it. It doesn't work anymore though. The company I work for, and I won't just, I won't name it, but the company I work for relies on me. Go back a couple of episodes. He's named it several times so you can backdate this. No, I genuinely haven't.
02:14:02
Speaker
Yeah, no, that's always off it, but the company I work for operates IT equipment that allows customers to pay money and it's 100% reliant on the internet and the only... So, it's on feetfinderpics.com, the website. To find them, motherfucker. To find them. There's no toes.
02:14:21
Speaker
100% relies on the internet, and the only internet we can get to our retail locations is NBN. And there is literally not a day that goes by without at least one of those sites dropping. There's only 100 in the network. I mean, we've got 500 sites total, but 100 in the network that's high tech, and there's not a single day that goes by without a dropout. So you're absolutely right when you call out that streaming is reliant on your internet, it's reliant on the service provider.
02:14:47
Speaker
Well, it goes back to the fact that I can't as a, you can't either Pete, as like the highest tier of PS Plus. I have for years have not been able to use PlayStation now, which was to stream a whole bunch of PS3 games that I wanted to replay all games. I would have played Red Dead Redemption by now, the PS3 version, because I would have streamed it to my PS5. But the Australian internet's so fucking shit and always has been
02:15:11
Speaker
Unfortunately, probably always will be. Here's the interesting thing. The reality has always been, if you read the fine print on the copyright notice or the licensing notice on your physical media, you have never actually bought a movie. You have bought a physical copy of the movie and a license to watch it. And that license has never been perpetual.
02:15:39
Speaker
It's never been. The studios have always had the right to revoke that license at any time for any reason after you've paid for it. If someone wants to come at my door and fucking take away my copy of the Batman, they're well in their rights to fucking try.
02:15:58
Speaker
But my point is, my point is... I agree. I understand. It's always been a moot point because you hold a copy of the disc. How the fuck is anyone realistically going for it? No one's taking my law of the rings Blu-ray collection. I will knife them in the face.
02:16:13
Speaker
As we move to streaming only. I will cut you. It will cut. It will kill. It's not the size, it's how you use it. It's not the one you had in your mouth. Yeah, it's the still I've never fixed my Geralt sword yet.
02:16:35
Speaker
The point is now that we moved away from physical media and only to digital, they can revoke that license in a much more realistic way and they're not just doing it to stop you from watching it. We've already seen Dogma disappear from shelves. That was physical media. But it is not available in any streaming services. It's not available to purchase anywhere. No. You can't buy physical discs anymore.
02:17:02
Speaker
And that was because of the influence of the Catholic Church. No, no. But you will see it far more often and we've already seen it very recently with Willow.
02:17:12
Speaker
Yeah. Six months. Yeah. Six months that show. No, no, no. It was available to stream for six months and only six months. That's how long they were given. Now it wasn't a successful, it wasn't a largely successful film to start with, their source material, but the streaming series. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it was never one of Lucasfilm's big earners. It was a B grade kind of side project that George Lucas wrote.
02:17:39
Speaker
But the TV series got pulled after six months and purportedly, it was to avoid paying royalties to actors. It was to avoid paying tax on licenses for the audio, like the music they had in the background. So they now suddenly have complete control over what they continue to pay out for. And we're, you know, with the SAG-AFTRA, is that what it is?
02:18:05
Speaker
The strike after yeah yeah yeah is all about streaming always forward roll towards. We at the film actors guilt society.
02:18:22
Speaker
But they have complete control over these rights now and they can pull shit off the shelf for more than just we had a breakup with the director or there's something political or the main actor fucking killed somebody or molested somebody or whatever. It can also just be about finances.
02:18:39
Speaker
We do not want to pay the extras a royalty to keep this shit online anymore. And we've been forced through strikes to enter into agreements to continue to pay these actors when we stream shit. We are going to sense more and more. It's such a slippery and obviously it's all coming to a head now. It's such a, it's such a, it's not even a slippery slope. That's not even the right term to use. It's such a, it's such a thing that's being prevalent with
02:19:06
Speaker
what's happening with the strikes and what you're saying that Willow is, people just going, oh, here's 170 bucks or whatever you said that lady turned up on set to get digitally scanned that day. Here's 170 bucks. You come, you work for- Your career's fucking over.
02:19:21
Speaker
Yeah, you work for 14 hours because of course they're going to push you over your hours working for the day because of all the fucking sound wasn't working. And you'd be excited to do it because you're in fucking Mando. You're installed. Yeah. Yeah. And then they do that. They, they, they, they get everything they need from you for the day for peanuts, basically compared to what they're going to earn. They air it for a certain amount of time. Like who knows what sort of
02:19:49
Speaker
nefarious things they can come up with. Imagine if they screened Mando season one for 12 months, got everybody addicted to Grogu and Baby Yoda, and then ripped it off the air to save on the tax side of things, then they make a billion dollars on the licensing of the character, the Baby Yoda,
02:20:13
Speaker
out from season one of Mando. You make a billion dollars on merchandise and clothing and toys and everything out from there, but you've paid $10,000 to everybody that built that franchise. There's nothing stopping these corporate fucks that are making... What's the Bob Iger on? Something like $270 million a year or something like that? Absolutely stupid money.
02:20:38
Speaker
Like something ridiculous money. Like you can't actually spend it. Like you really have to try to spend it. Um, can I cut in here, please? Can I cut into these dance? Um, I want to give some hard stats if I can, because I am engaged to a researcher. So this has rubbed off on me. Um, so the article I'm reading off and this is a really good article and I'm going to share it with you guys. It's almost like, no, this is the best thing.
02:21:07
Speaker
No. This cites how many sources it's citing. It's a meta-analysis. Excellent. This is from blog.gitnux.com, G-I-T-N-U-X.com. It's the digital versus physical media statistics. This is a market data report. It was released on the 18th of August, 2023, so it's fresh as fuck. This feels like vindication here coming.
02:21:35
Speaker
No, no, no, no, I just want to say that we've actually done some proper. We've got some proper research. Three journalists involved. It's cited by 138 sources and there's 48 statistics researched. Just so I'm not pulling these numbers out of my collective asshole.
02:21:53
Speaker
I'm so going back to music let's just say that i'm just gonna pull some random facts out there just it gives a real insight into the physical vs digital media concept numbers cd album sales in the us have dropped ninety five percent since two thousand at the lowest level since nineteen eighty six.
02:22:13
Speaker
That's music related. That's, I think that's pretty fucking fascinating. Um, the one that I just, not surprising. This one really affects us as gamers. Um, 80% of all PA, nearly 80% of all PS five and PS four games are bought digitally. You know what? You know, I think that's insane. You know what's fucked about that. And, and it's a point that I've raised that I've written down for this discussion.
02:22:40
Speaker
It is frequently $20 to $40 more expensive to buy a game digitally than it is to walk into a store and get it physically in Australia. In Australia. Yeah. I don't know what it's like. I would say so they say this statistic highlights the growing trend of digital downloads video games. So that probably
Collectors' Challenges and Speculations
02:22:57
Speaker
includes games that we have bought collect decisions for us that come with a download code.
02:23:02
Speaker
Yeah. So I think that's that's potentially a slightly. We will. In 2021, digital media consumption surpass traditional traditional media, 58.8% of the global population using digital devices compared to 41.2% traditional media consumers.
02:23:21
Speaker
And then there was another one in here which i probably should have highlighted and taken out but i didn't and it was around the dvd. Here we go in twenty twenty one the film industry is expected to generate twenty eight point seven billion of digital revenue while physical copies will only represent two point two billion.
02:23:44
Speaker
Again, they're still in the fucking billion dollar market region, but still that is a 25 billion dollar deficit. So that's really interesting. But you do need to have a causality conversation about this, right? True. Are we buying less physical media because studios are making it more convenient and easier to consume streaming services and making it harder to go out of your way and buy physical media or have
02:24:09
Speaker
We just simply gravitated towards it for other reasons. There's a real causality conversation. I have a big argument in favor of it for being other reasons in the sense that when I have to pack up and move house as a renter, I don't want to take a box of DVDs with me anymore. Sure. Sure. That's fair. But I also think, I think the music industry probably paved the way for us. It's increased acceptance of this situation for video games and movies. Yeah.
02:24:37
Speaker
But no one buys like unless you're going to buy records, I can't remember the last time I don't even think I genuinely don't know if Sanity is still solvent in Australia. I think there's one store. If you're overseas, Sanity was one of the largest, if not the largest music change in Australia. There's one Sanity store in Australia and I'm pretty sure it's close to closing down.
02:25:01
Speaker
Yeah, right. So so yeah, if you're if you're overseas sanity was like you'd walk in the whole store was just wall to wall CDs, CD music. And then sounds like on the verge of bankruptcy. But they also had to do what JB did and moved into selling movies as well.
02:25:21
Speaker
Yes, but not successfully like JBD because JB diversified their portfolio into fucking everything. Everything. Yeah. They sell home appliances now. They sell sandwich toasters. That's four or five years old. But that's diversified. But they've got to because of the things closed all their brick and mortar stores. Yeah. There you go. Final two stores were in, we're in Queensland and they were in Bundaberg and Browns planes. Uh, they shut, uh, back in April.
02:25:52
Speaker
So there's also the...
02:25:55
Speaker
the collector in us. And I like, I can only speak for myself, but all of us are collectors in various ways. Just looking at the shit in the backgrounds of all three of our houses. Yeah. We're all collectors of various things relating to pop culture. I've always been a collector of DVDs and then Blu-rays and then 4Ks. And I have culled my collection over the years. I don't have a strong and emotional connection to keeping stuff as I used to, just because
02:26:23
Speaker
As you get older, you get a little bit more pragmatic. And to your point, Tom, no one wants to spend fucking six weeks moving because you've got to box up all this shit. Yes.
02:26:33
Speaker
But if you are a collector of Blu-rays or 4K discs in Australia moving forward, and we are talking as if Disney's announcement will be followed by everyone else in the industry. That hasn't been announced yet. We're just making that assumption that it's a... I wouldn't expect it to be far off. No, fuck no. I wouldn't expect either. And we've been predicting it for some time now anyway. But I think if you wanted to collect... So I think 4K is okay.
02:27:00
Speaker
The dvds are region coded so it's if you are a dvd collector i think we are okay because you can get you can still get like region zero yeah yeah yeah where is dvds we are region four with. You can't import region one discs on the u.s. have a very special day but a player.
02:27:21
Speaker
So that leads into the question I asked most, I think at the end of our conversation on chat. And that is, I feel like streaming, the convenience of streaming almost killed piracy. Like the amount of people- It really did. Like I put a lot of- Also there was a massive crackdown on piracy at this kind of the same time that streaming, they really, they really went hard on like pyro-based stuff around the same time that streaming became more prevalent.
02:27:50
Speaker
In so far as they could, Tom, we had taking things down. We had some Akma takedown notices you had, which is the American multimedia copyright act. Yeah, as far as they can, but they did a push. They did a push, let's say.
02:28:07
Speaker
You had people in Australia receiving letters. You had people in Australia receiving letters from Telstra, let alone vendors or overseas studios. You had people on 60 or not 60 Minutes, but like National Nine News fucking talking about the massive find that they, yeah, that they hit it right up for pirating this shit. But at the same time, if you had three fucking brain cells to rub together and could download shit, then you could get around all of that pretty safely. Yeah.
02:28:35
Speaker
It just became a convenience thing. So, you know, statute of limitations. I was a mad fucking pirate. All my teenage years. I was the king of the seven seas. Don't get me wrong.
02:28:44
Speaker
I had a NAS plugged into my TV with terabytes of downloaded movies and TV series. And in a lot of cases, I actually ended up buying the movie on disc or the TV show on disc because I wanted to support the studio or to support the show, but I didn't want to fucking wait 12 months for it to be released. So I just downloaded it immediately. Yeah.
02:29:09
Speaker
It was HDMI straight into my amplifier, it had surround sound, it had Atmos, although Atmos was kind of at the end of it all and just all got too fucking hard. For 12 bucks a month, I can watch anything I want to watch on Netflix. Why bother? But if they're going to do this sort of crap, if I want to watch Dogma, I have to go to my NAS. Yeah.
02:29:29
Speaker
because a certain somebody I won't name stole my physical DVD copy of Dogma. You know exactly who it is, Dan. You knew straight away. Maybe if a former heist to get that back.
02:29:42
Speaker
There's a few things in there we should perform. Yeah, there's a they say red lightsaber that went walk abouts too. Yeah, so I would have to go back to my NAS to watch Dogma if I wanted to. We almost saw the end of piracy. Is this not encouraging piracy to kind of take back up again? I really think it is, especially when you're talking about when you you purchase something.
02:30:07
Speaker
And I think you brought this up, Pete, and you can definitely correct me if I'm wrong and I've misread that thing, but isn't there something like when you digitally buy it? You don't just rent it because that's for what, the 24 to 48 hours or 96 hours to watch it? And you kind of have to watch it in one hit. You can't like, I'll come back to this thing. But when you buy the digital license for something, say if Dan had bought the Mario movie digitally,
02:30:34
Speaker
in an X amount of time, they can go, well, actually, that's not provided anymore. So we're taking that back. Yeah. Yeah. That's what I was saying before. I think you only ever buy a right to, and it's not an irrevocable right. They can revoke that right whenever the fuck they want. Yeah. Well, I think a fantastic version of that is the PT demo, the Silent Hill PT Gemma del Toro
02:30:57
Speaker
demo. Who's the guy that came out with Silent Hill? Anyway, it doesn't matter. Hideo Kojima. Hideo Kojima. Yeah. The demo that came out on the PlayStation many years ago, and then people, I was one. I downloaded it. I had it on my PlayStation. I actually deleted it from my PlayStation before they pulled it down because I'd played through it a couple of times.
02:31:22
Speaker
And then people were selling their PlayStations with that downloaded on there for thousands of dollars. Because you couldn't download it anymore. You couldn't download it anymore. It got removed from the PlayStation network, but this was before they had a license. They were
02:31:39
Speaker
you had a license to access it, it was downloaded on the PlayStation, you could play it. And they were selling PS4s with the PT demo, downloaded on it for thousands of dollars because people wanted this part of history.
02:31:54
Speaker
And it was ridiculous. It was just something that I played several times through. I thought it was fantastic. I'm really looking forward to the game. And it didn't happen because Hideo Kojima had to leave Konami and went off and did his own out of Konami. And then that whole thing got scrapped. Well, it's the kind of thing with the PS Plus library.
02:32:15
Speaker
You talk about games that like when it first announced everyone's like sick I can download these games I can play them and I remember being caught up in one of them it was what the first time they were like hey these games are leaving the server in X amount of time and I had to like speed run one of these games it was
02:32:33
Speaker
Shadow Warrior 3 was pretty average. Very easy with Doom clone. But it was one of those things it was like I had when I finally read the news report saying this is leaving PS Plus extra in certain amount of days. It was like I had two days to complete this game like start to finish and it was kind of like
02:32:51
Speaker
Well, I've always wanted to, because it looks stupid. I wanted to play it, but then obviously playing it was like, turn it to be like an eight hour game. So it was fine. But it was just like, it was one of those things that like, imagine if you were halfway through, like me at the moment, I'm playing Skyrim. I'm 130 hours in. If suddenly next week they go, pull that off the shelf. We're pulling that off. We're pulling that off the, someone got sued. Yeah. And we're pulling it off the system. And I'll be like, well, fuck, I've invested
02:33:16
Speaker
X amount of time. But yeah, so like I was saying before you
02:33:22
Speaker
in the past with physical media for video games and movies, because we've kind of blended, we've blurred this conversation into video games interchangeably with movies, but I think that's relevant too. And Dan, it's funny, what you just said, what you just described, because you have brought that up before, was one of the few things that I don't remember which medium it was in, but I got called out on social media around pixels and pints on that topic. I was challenged to find another example of a video game being pulled.
02:33:50
Speaker
the way that that example was. I actually struggled to find another example. There were other examples, but not really big name ones. Anyway, but certainly you look at Dogma. It's far more relevant and prevalent in the movie industry. Just because it hasn't happened in gaming yet doesn't mean it's not going to happen. I mean, you get anybody that's going to end up in controversy because
02:34:17
Speaker
God knows the path we're going down now that whatever is going to become unacceptable. I'm honestly surprised they didn't do it with Cyberpunk if you want to think about a game. Like that was so at launch. I actually think what Dan's talking about is more politics affecting all. It's definitely politics. I mean, we go down these paths where something is going to be something that was created in the 80s or 90s. Can't think of anything off the top of my head. Okay. Doot Nukem. Doot Nukem. Let's go. Doot Nukem forever. Doot Nukem 64. You go, okay, in
02:34:46
Speaker
you know what most of the young people playing that these days are gonna go that is completely unacceptable walking into a strip club and just throwing fucking digital dollars out at these strippers and saying inappropriate lines they're gonna go you know what we don't need this kind of heat this shit's coming down from steam or whatever you can buy it on now
02:35:05
Speaker
It's offensive to represent Nazis, so we're going to pull Wolfenstein off service. There you go. We're going to pull the original Wolfenstein. We're going to pull the new remake of Wolfenstein. You can't do these sort of things these days or whatever it's going to be.
02:35:21
Speaker
And they're going to go, you can't play that anymore. I mean, at all. I can play whatever the fuck I want. I can consume whatever the fuck I want. Unless we revoke the license that we, we let you revoke the license. Or unless it's made it past the ratings board, because then you actually can't because there's stuff that doesn't get released in Australia. Yeah, but not much these days now that we've got an R rating for video games. I think that's a topic for another day. I think that's a good topic. Yeah, there we go. Once something else gets hit. But I, I think the,
02:35:52
Speaker
Where we are now, like, and this came up in our conversation when this got brought up as well is. Yes.
02:36:01
Speaker
My analogy of a drug dealer versus a movie dealer is kind of a little extreme saying, I'm no longer going to have a drug dealer. I'm going to have a movie dealer. No, I'm going to have a drug dealer and I'm going to have a movie dealer. Thank you very much. Fuck all you guys. But it is. If this is the way it goes. It is pushing it underground. I'm currently pulling back from more and more streaming services. We have two paid for streaming services.
02:36:31
Speaker
too. Yeah. And we've, we've only a household too, but you've got two that you pay for and then there might be some shared accounts. I wasn't going to say that, but well, no, it's, it's an important point because Disney, Disney have now decided to go the, they're thinking of going the Netflix route of, um, uh, locking it down, locking it down. So you can't share your Disney plus account.
02:36:53
Speaker
So I don't want to be cut off from those movies that I really want to watch. I own all my Star Wars movies. I don't have Disney Plus anymore. I cut that off months and months ago and I am not. I don't have a VHS player, but I've still got the VHS version of the THX remaster.
02:37:10
Speaker
I've got, I've got three copies, three VHS copies in this cabinet, right. I should put the gold. Mine's right there. Literally. Every time I look at them, I can make the THX noise in my head. Not out loud. I've got up to, up to Last Jedi. I've owned the three prequels. I actually don't own the three.
02:37:35
Speaker
I don't own Rise of Skywalker and I won't own Rise of Skywalker, but if Mando season one and Mando season two were available on DVD, Blu-ray. Well, you better buy it quick. I would, but they're not. They're not. They never were. None of the Disney plus series were ever put on physical media. So this isn't a huge step for Disney. Like Disney is saying, oh, we're cutting out physical media. Okay.
02:38:04
Speaker
Okay. Let's say the good ones you've released so far. I'm not even sure Rebels has ever been physical release. Clone Wars was up until season six. I'm not sure. Clone Wars you could. No, they did the whole thing. Season seven as well? I'm pretty sure they did the release of it. Yeah. Sure. And I'm not sure. I'm not sure Rebels ever got a physical release. And I'm just, I'm just going Disney.
02:38:29
Speaker
Yeah. Things here now, because they're the ones that have said they're going to pull. I can buy a season one, two DVD of Mandalorian on Amazon right now for 50 bucks if you want. Oh, no, fuck off. They've got to be. It's got to be the dodgiest, dodgy, ripped coffee. Yeah.
02:38:44
Speaker
Yeah, I don't think it's an official license release, but this is what it's encouraging this sort of behavior. I would buy 100% licensed physical release because I want that. I want that 100%. I'm happy to pay for their good content. That's their good content. I would happily, happily pay for that.
02:39:06
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What's what's what i think is sad about this conversation and you know that we haven't even talked about the impact on brick and mortar stores are selling dvds for a living and its impact on them. But the reality is it's just old farts like us that give a shit because.
02:39:22
Speaker
like 15 year olds right now have only ever known streaming services. And, you know, I would presume. That's the convenience factor. It's, it's, it's going, it's going onto a streaming service and be able to go, oh fuck, I don't want to watch.
02:39:38
Speaker
like all that season of Mandalorian right now, but I want to watch one episode and then I want to flick over to another service and watch another episode of something else. It's the dumb Americans quote from the writer of Witcher 3 in our last episode. It's like, it's the TikTok generation. You've got a five minute attention span. But like I wasn't making, I didn't intend to make a joke there when I started. It's just more
02:40:01
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It's offensive to us because we have grown up with physical media and once I buy something, I have the right to watch it forever until I don't have a VHS player anymore. But 15 year olds haven't grown up in that era. That's just not being a part of their DNA. That's not a part of their expectation. And you talk about politics being the thing that's pulling stuff off or could potentially pull stuff off shelves. I am way more worried about the Willow story than I am about the politics story.
02:40:31
Speaker
Because it is far more prevalent that why should I continue to pay royalties to Metallica because I put their song in my movie. That movie is not being streamed anymore all that often. I'm just going to take it off my fucking off my streaming list and I don't have to pay Metallica royalties anymore.
02:40:48
Speaker
It's a financial decision that scares the fuck out of me because that's going to be far more prevalent than Ezra Miller finally did something to get him got himself it locked up and now we're going to have all this stuff taken off off streaming. I think it's it's more likely going to be a financial decision. It is and they shouldn't be able to make if they're going to make if they're going to make content for us to consume.
02:41:14
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then it should be able, it should be. In perpetuity. Yeah. You, yeah, you can, you can, you can watch it forever. Forever. Yes. Yeah. No, no, no, no. Actually I disagree with that because that's, that's not how economics works. Because not everyone, not everyone, not everyone was buying those DVDs or those VHSs or whatever. So like.
02:41:39
Speaker
Like, just because you- But not everyone was buying the books, but I think the whole concept of censorship of deleting a part of history because it's no longer rubs current society the right way is a very dark place to go in terms of remembering who we are as a species and where we came from. And like, I went very meta very quickly there. You went very meta very fucking quickly.
02:42:02
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I granted, but I think every movie that we put out there and we watch or we consume as consumers and they produce as producers is a piece of literary history and it might not be important or it might be important, but the ability to delete it from the collective consciousness is not a good thing in my opinion. Can I pose something? This is going to be radically controversial here.
02:42:29
Speaker
And more controversial than the shit that comes out of my mouth on this book. Yeah. Yeah. This one probably is going to be, um, yeah. I'm not sure I have a digital copy of mine comps. Fuck off. That was exactly where I was. That's exactly where I was going. I knew it was going to be that. If that was somebody saying, Oh, you know what? We're no longer going to print physical copies of mine comp. We'd all go. Yeah. Cool.
02:42:55
Speaker
Well, I think they have said that. I'm pretty sure that's... Yes, they stopped printing that book a while ago. But those books still exist. But there has to be somebody out there. And this is the point. Yes. This is the point with digital media only being released to streaming. They can turn a switch off and it disappears from existence as opposed to Mein Kampf where they don't print it anymore. But there are... It's a physical piece of history. For better or worse. It still exists. It still exists in the world.
02:43:23
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But there are there are there. And this is actually no, this is a really good point. And I'm with you on this one. But there is also like a really good movement in that's not official in any way, shape or form, but the digital archivists have formed on the internet, especially for a lot of gaming history, like they seem to focus on gaming. But and those are the people that go back and do that.
02:43:49
Speaker
And like that, but I don't think they'll never die. Like those, whether or not you can get it digitally or you can get it physically, they'll be still be the archivists who can, who will find whatever way they need to, to get that content, um, and, and, and keep a record of it. So I, I know what you're saying that it's probably not going to be as, um, prevalent in, in, in a mass sense in, in, in society, but I, I don't think they'll ever get away with.
02:44:19
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actually removing it from existence. There's still going to be the dude who goes into the cinema with the camcorder in his trench coat and records the dodgy thing with a dude chewing popcorn behind him. You're always going to get that rip. That rip. Yeah. And that's exactly what I was going to say. You know who the archivists are likely to be moving forward? Pirates. Pirates, yeah.
02:44:46
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But they'll end up providing a service that I think would be inaccessible to most people otherwise.
02:44:52
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Cool. Whoa. Speaking of pirates, Dan's on the high seas there. He just hit a bit of turbulence. Yeah. Sorry about that. Yeah. But I think this is a, this is a fascinating subject because it's going to change the future of the zoo. Oh no, it is. Yeah. Don't get me wrong. I'm not, yeah. No way am I saying that like, no, no, no, I don't think you were. We're not minimizing it. It is, it is an absolutely like, and I, I 100% agree with you. The idea that you can remove parts of history that you could learn from is terrifying. Yes.
02:45:20
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And I want to throw one more curve ball in here. So I'm both a PS5, PS4, and PC gamer. The PS, the PlayStation has the network, the PS Plus, where it gives you a couple of games, which we've covered quite a lot. It gives you limited discounts across the network of digital downloads. But when you look at things like Steam,
Digital vs Physical: Media Preferences
02:45:50
Speaker
is like incredible the discounts they give you on games. So I own a physical copy on the PS4 of Metro Exodus. I didn't want to play that. I started playing it, thought it was a great game. I didn't want to continue playing that style of game on the PlayStation because it's something that I've traditionally played on the PC.
02:46:13
Speaker
The PC collector's edition came up for sale the other day from $54.95 to $11.50. It was an 80% discount and it still is currently that on Steam. Steam does this
02:46:33
Speaker
every two or three months. They find any excuse they can. It's fucking Easter. It's bloody... It's a bit before Halloween. It's Independence Day. Halloween, Christmas, good Thanksgiving. PlayStation currently have an August sale on.
02:46:49
Speaker
We couldn't come up with anything better. Black Friday. They finished the winter sale and they announced the August sale. Yeah. But the Steam PC versions of this are always far more drastic discounts than anything else. The PlayStation equivalent, yeah. Now, where I wanted to go with this was I will not buy a major release on PlayStation digitally.
02:47:19
Speaker
I will always buy the physical copy. I think, I apologize Kratos, that Ragnarok, I bought digitally because I wasn't able, whatever was happening in my life at the time, I wasn't able to get a physical copy from the store at that stage. So I did buy it. I think it was COVID, wasn't it? It might be true. Whatever it was, it forced me to buy Ragnarok in
02:47:43
Speaker
digitally, I would never buy a PlayStation game. If I could, if I can get a physical copy, I will buy the physical copy because I want the disc. I want my PlayStation disc. But PC games. PC games. I won't buy a physical copy of a PC game. And you know, Pete, you just reminded me.
02:48:03
Speaker
That actually wasn't where I was going. Because PC games, physical copies of PC games have been what you're about to describe for about 15 years. So Pete brought this up, so I'm going to go into it. It's been brought up before.
02:48:20
Speaker
So Cyberpunk, I bought Cyberpunk, the collector's edition on PC, because that's where I wanted to play it. And I'm glad that is where I'm playing it. And it was just a digital download code. What you touched on before, Tom, with the Baldur's Gate. I mean, why are we not getting, okay, fuck it. Give someone a physical disc and give them a download code.
02:48:44
Speaker
with a collector's edition. Like if, if they want to, well, if you're going to have a digital digital edition console and then a physical disc console, then release both as an option to buy.
02:48:57
Speaker
Like in terms of the game, you release some discs and you release some codes because you got one that can do both and you got, you got one that will only will do one. But the people who have the one that has a disc will probably potentially want a disc. I'm definitely with you. I really, I'm very much getting over the idea.
02:49:17
Speaker
And it just seems so redundant of buying a collector's edition because I want all the extra shit. I wanted, I wanted my crate, my, my Ragnarok Milania. I wanted that more than words can say. And I love playing with it. I walk around the office and hit myself in the head with it all the time. I love it. But why give me a fucking steel book case that is never going to be filled with disk. Yeah. But, you know, like now I'm going to pee. Fuck. Now you've made me angry.
02:49:49
Speaker
But this is the video game. Tom hasn't muted himself. That's dangerous. I think I can mute him. Yes, I can. It's funny because I can't unmute him. So that's a one way trip. I think video games, I think there is a distinct difference between video games and movies.
02:50:10
Speaker
on this topic, because video games within themselves, because you've got the PC and the PlayStation, Xbox side of things. So there is there is some. But that's the point I was about to make. So so. You talk about buying the physical media for, let's say a game I got a war Ragnarok.
02:50:34
Speaker
Even if you had, because Tom and I did, because we wanted the collector's edition and all the pretty toys and all the rest of it, but we bought the physical media, you stick the media in, you've still got to install it on the PlayStation. And the first thing it does is download a 90 gigabyte patch. And if they decided that they didn't want you to have the game anymore, they would deny you that patch and you couldn't play the game.
02:50:59
Speaker
Because it have a game breaking bug in the first ten seconds of playing the original dispersion so. Video game the video game industry has has set this trend in the same way the music industry has now for about fifteen years.
02:51:15
Speaker
That like, like World of Warcraft, I distinctly remember buying all the collectors boxed edition and you know, you wait for weeks for this thing to come out and you spend 180 bucks for a game that everyone else is spending $60 to buy it. Cause it's just an expansion. It's not even an actual video game. And yet the first thing you do when you, when you install it is it doesn't even really download it from the desk. It downloads it from the internet. Yeah. It's just a license you're putting in there on the desk. Yeah. So unmute yourself.
02:51:46
Speaker
Yes, because no one wanted to hear the tinkle noises just in case. I do have a heavy stream. So the point is that we, you know, video games have been paving the way for this in the same way the music industry has for a long time. And it's really just movies that have been the last bastion or the last holdout for physical media are actually meaning something. Yeah. But okay. So.
02:52:13
Speaker
Second curveball, third curveball, tenth curveball, whichever one we want to throw. I've picked your curveballs now, I could just whack them out of the park.
02:52:20
Speaker
So books like Pete, you read Kindle books, but like I will not and never will give up my physical media of my books, my books. I was still, I was still read most of the comic books that I want to read regularly or the big, the big release ones. I still will release a read in physical media, digital ones that just mean nothing to me. I'll read, um,
02:52:47
Speaker
I'll typically buy the omnibus and then get about 20% of the way through. Like I still haven't finished Spawn. Physical books. I will never, ever read a book on a digital media. Like I had to once for a sequel that I couldn't buy the physical copy for in Australia, but that was, it just, the physical copies were just, this was pre-worldwide Amazon day. It's really interesting. I actually think it's a personality thing, Dan, because... Oh, it definitely is a personality thing.
02:53:17
Speaker
Oh, I wholeheartedly disagree with that statement. Yeah. You're a digital, you're a digital. No, no, no, no. Let me get to my point after Pete says his thing. So Dan, Dan with the sea bombs. Um, so what I was going to say is I actually ended up buying the physical book after already buying the Kindle book.
02:53:42
Speaker
I buy the Kindle book because it's convenient to read while I'm on the train for 10 minutes. I can get, you know, half an hour lunch break at work. I don't have to carry a physical book around with me. I can read it anywhere. But I still want to own the physical media because I just love that smell of books. I love having it on the bookshelf. And I'm a lot more selective with the books that I buy versus the books that I buy on Kindle. So I've got something like four and a half, 450 odd books in my Kindle library now.
02:54:10
Speaker
And I've got maybe 30 books on my bookshelf that I've actually kept that aren't like work textbooks. So I'm very, very selective. But just because you buy a physical book doesn't mean you have to keep the physical book. True. But every physical book that I've bought, I've already owned the Kindle version of.
02:54:32
Speaker
So before you call me a digital heartless seabomb. Oh, that was there. No, no, that was, that was Pete that I called him. Oh, I felt that you were calling Tom that too. No, no, no, no, no, no. That was purely, that was purely directed at Pete. Don't worry, Tom. That was he's got your number.
02:54:53
Speaker
I and this is a thing that I already brought I think you would take the paper for and I brought it up but it's literally the the I think the big thing around the digital to physical media. A big part of it now is that a lot of people are aging younger don't own their own properties.
02:55:10
Speaker
And they have to rent and they have to move when it's at the behest of their landlord. I wouldn't be in the house I'm currently in if I had had a choice. I loved it. Emma and I were talking about it last night. We loved our old place. Absolutely loved it. But our landlord turned around and said, piss off your tart. And that's the thing. It's just like,
02:55:34
Speaker
If I had to downsize a whole lot to get into this place that we've got now and I had to get rid of a whole bunch of stuff. And I think a lot of the people who like the Australian dream of owning your what?
02:55:47
Speaker
three to four bedroom house with the family rooms. It's non-existent. The government fucked that idea like 20 years ago. Well, also space and overpopulation is a factor of that. But it's like, I think about my mate Pat, who lives in New York. It's just like, there's no way he could have the amount of stuff that he would love to have. And he is, he's a music guy. Like he would love to have a room of records.
02:56:09
Speaker
I guarantee he would, he would literally sell his left nut to have an entire room. I've got a spare room of just hobby stuff. Yeah. That's a major factor now for people these days in terms of thinking about like, can I actually get the physical copy of thing or will I be happy to like go with the digital version of that?
02:56:27
Speaker
And whether or not and whether or not it's having like a bunch of like a bunch of hard drives with shit on it. Like that's another like, you know, if you can do that, then hats off to you. But I don't think that's something that the general layperson can really think of when they want to hold, like, even if it's, you know, scans of books into PDFs to be taken away. Space is a real issue in a heavily overpopulated world.
02:56:54
Speaker
I respectfully disagree with that. I think the desire and the need to own physical copies of classics and everything going forward. If you own a physical copy of something and you've enjoyed it for years, whether it be games, movies, books, whatever,
02:57:17
Speaker
There is outlets for you to move that on through digital means and brick and mortar means there is there is secondhand bookstores where you can take hundreds of books there if you need to and then offload them before you move or anything like that. But then you're not holding on to that that that product.
02:57:35
Speaker
But you're, you're, you're passing it on for a new legacy as well. That, that media is still there for someone to consume. You're not, you're not throwing that thing in a bin. Anybody who throws a book away is fucked in the head. You are fucking trash. Like even if it's a, even if it's a piece of shit book, like you need to pass that on just so they, someone else can suffer as much as you did. Well, I'm a piece of shit. I have thrown books away, but the reason I had to throw them away was because they were infected with mold.
02:58:03
Speaker
Okay. That's a different story. That's a health risk. Yes. But like my ex, my ex-girlfriend- It was my golfing in the rings as well that I'd read for 20 odd years. My ex-girlfriend- Sent that to the- Yeah. That's something- To the archivists. No, no, no. You send that to the immigration department and say, oh, hey, someone has eagerly brought this into the country for me. Can you irradiate this for me? Or I can-
02:58:26
Speaker
My dad works with gamma ray games and he was like, that's unbelievable. God damn. And I wasn't allowed to burn it because that's a safety risk. So my ex got deported and back to where she came from and left a bunch of really terrible
02:58:43
Speaker
Like the modern day equivalent of Mills and Boone novels, like romance, horrible, shitty romance novels. And they got donated to like a book library. Yeah, no, after I read them. Something about the room in 6E. I don't know. But you can donate them. There's these little book nooks around the most random places. Straight book libraries are one of the greatest conventions. Yeah. So that's why I disagree with that. I think physical copies are things of
02:59:13
Speaker
This is me going down in the rabbit hole. Things of beauty. I think books with the... You and I talked about this. Yeah. I think they are absolutely works of art. And I think some movies are works of art. I think we've lost a little bit of that in recent years when we first had these physical media of movies.
02:59:29
Speaker
I know we need to wrap this up and this is me going on another fucking tangent. My whole thing is that that contradicts the point of you saying, yes, you can donate if you need to move, but then you don't have access to it unless you turn to another streaming service. That's only if you don't want to take it with you. If you truly and only want to take something with you. Logistically, there are times where you can't take it with you.
02:59:51
Speaker
Like, if you're- Then that's a decision to make. That's a priority. That's a life choice. No, sometimes it's an economic choice that you are forced into.
03:00:01
Speaker
Yeah, no, that's a very real no, no, that's much more prevalent than I think you think it is. But but it's not something that you can you can always take with you. I think that that's a privilege point. I feel like it's an extreme. I feel like it's an extreme example where you go from a two bedroom house to homeless and need to make those. I wasn't even talking about those. I'm going from a two bedroom house to a one bedroom house. That is a massive downside. Sure. But you made a priority decision about what you kept and what you didn't. Right. You still have the privilege of being able to decide what to keep.
03:00:29
Speaker
And you may, you may argue that. You may pick the clothes and the kitchen things you need rather than your books and your games. I think that's completely off the topic of where we are, but. No, it's not. It's a realistic thing that people that my friends are currently getting forced out of their houses. I'm not saying it's not a realistic thing. I think that's a completely different discussion from where we are about Disney taking the choice away from us to have physical copies than the choice of us to have physical copies.
03:01:00
Speaker
Yes, that is true. But we're also being realistic and we look at the stats and it's just that people aren't buying those physical copies anymore. But do you think they're not buying them because they're in the space or the realm of your friends? Or do you think it's just a generation of people that have come in and never needed or connected? No, I think it's something they've moved into when they've moved out of their parents' house where they had the space. Now they don't have the space. And so they go, cool, if I want to watch those things, I have to go digital.
03:01:27
Speaker
Digital doesn't take up doesn't take up space. I would respectfully respectfully challenge, not disagree, but challenge the the validity of of whether or not that statistic is being swayed by a younger generation of people that are making that choice because they've never really known another choice. Like they've grown up in that world versus people your age and my age and our age that that have to make that choice because life's tough sometimes.
03:01:57
Speaker
I actually think it's more likely, it's more prevalent. That's a fifth beer. That was a very slow. Yeah. I think it's more prevalent because 15, 16, 18 year olds have only grown up in a streaming world.
03:02:17
Speaker
I mean, you ask them what a landline looks like, they've got no idea what the fuck you're talking about. It's a truly different generation. But I also think there's a connection to tangibility that people go through when they want to reject digital society. And I think there is a natural humanistic nature that drives us to, from time to time, reject
03:02:40
Speaker
the digital world we live in and Dan and I were talking about this not too long ago about some literature that I've been purchasing the most expensive, realistically expensive version of a book that I could find that I loved. And I'll buy one or two books a month.
03:02:58
Speaker
And they'll cost $50 to $100 and that's a splurge. That's a nice to have. Like to spend $50 to $100 on a book like Dante's Purgatory. It's not a mandatory purchase. It's not putting food on the table. It's not keeping a roof over my head. So it's very much today a splurge. And yet it's important to me. I've already read the book.
03:03:25
Speaker
I think there is a part of us that does, like it's very easy and convenient to consume digital technology or digital media, but there is a part of us that still wants to connect tangibly and physically to the things that we have an emotional connection to. No, I agree with that because there's definitely a reason I bought the disc edition of the PS5.
03:03:49
Speaker
Yeah, there's a reason you bought the collector's edition of Ragnarok too. Yeah. I've got a war Ragnarok. That's very much wanting a tangible connection to something that you respect and love. Yeah. Yeah. But I really think, especially as the idea of that Australian having the house and having the space to have, you know, like we've made the choices to have our stuff behind us, but that's not a choice that's often- Yeah.
03:04:19
Speaker
I don't necessarily disagree, but I do agree with Dan that it's a different topic because this conversation is about the monolithic multi-trillion dollar company is making the choice for us as opposed to boots on the ground choices you have to make. I think that's a factor of it. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I think we need to wrap this topic to be honest.
03:04:48
Speaker
I don't know where we can keep going. It was a good topic though. We can't really go anywhere more until we just start just saying, fuck you, fuck you streaming services. Like that's basically just where it's going to end up off like us, you know, in another beer deep and going like, yeah, fuck. But we've also, but we've also, you know, like we've, we've reaped the benefit of those streaming services too. I need to get another beer.
03:05:12
Speaker
Yeah. Um, why'd you think I did that when it gets back? Yeah, but no, no, it's, it's, yeah, no, it is, it is. I definitely think the, the historical point that you brought, you guys brought up about like the removing history is, is a dangerous precedent. And, but I get the same time, like God bless those, those digital archivists and the work they do to, yeah. What, what I'm worried about is like, I like the,
03:05:38
Speaker
The justification for removing Willow. Willow was a tragic fucking series. Like it was a fail. There wasn't, it wasn't irredeemably bad. It wasn't like a de-grade bomb, but it also wasn't, yeah, it wasn't great by any stretch of the imagination, right? It was all kinds of wrong. But at the same time, pulling it off streaming services for no other reason than you don't want to pay the young actress who started it.
03:06:06
Speaker
No, that's a very, yeah, no, I agree. That offends me in a way that like I am as much as I, I was maybe too young or too naive or didn't give a fuck enough to really connect with why the writer's guild had a strike for as long as they did last time around. Yeah. To me, it was just like, I'm devoid of content. What the fuck is wrong with these people? I just, can you guys just get over it? Cause I want to watch some shit on TV. That was my attitude as a maybe late teenager.
03:06:35
Speaker
But I can absolutely- I was late on that. I was late on that. I was out of school. I was just a sea bomb of a young something, 20 year old, something, 20 something year old. Can I say it? Don't say it's dead. I have to bleep enough, motherfucker. But this whole concept- Let's come with a new word instead of the sea bomb. We'll just go down the tree beard route, just bada-room, bada-room, frack it.
03:07:01
Speaker
Bracket. Bracket, yeah. Bracket all. But the idea that SAG-AFTRA is striking because actors should not be digitally cloned without payment. I totally fucking agree with. And that's another conversation we can go on to in the next episode. But it's not a big leap. The AI problem. But it's not a big leap to go from that to I don't want to pay the main actress.
03:07:29
Speaker
royalties from Willow season one. So I'll just take it off streaming because it's not making enough money anyway. So fuck that bitch. She put a year of a life into that show. Like she thought that was going to be her break that was going to lead her to stardom. Yeah. And that's the thing. It's especially young, young and she gets nothing and she was a young actress gone forever. No physical copies in the world. So she can't even put it in her portfolio and have anyone watch it. The young pirates out there in the wild.
03:07:55
Speaker
Yeah, but can you imagine saying to your prospective employer, you go and watch this movie I started and they can't see it? They can't find it. Yeah. It's really fucked up. Hey, I was in Willow five years ago. Didn't Disney delete that from their entire archive? Six months after it was released? Yeah.
03:08:17
Speaker
And yet people are genuinely upset that BBC had a fire in their warehouse and lost all of their Doctor Who seasons one through five. Like, that's a big deal. That's a big deal. That's a huge deal. For massive nerds like me. But like, people admit that. Historical reasons. And yet now we're doing it on purpose. Some fuck has to sit there and hit the delete key.
03:08:40
Speaker
and does that knowingly. Like, yeah. Anyway, we should move on. I'm going to go eat another beer. Well, while we're doing that, Danny, you winning, son. Oh, I'm like, I'm not going to go into anything new here. This is, did you scare
Excitement Over New Game Content
03:08:55
Speaker
Jasper then? I did. I did a big clap. Big old clap.
03:09:00
Speaker
I'm not doing anything new here. I'm rolling into the Doom Eternal DLC. Nice. How is it? Doom Eternal Ancient Goods. It's ancient goods, ancient gods.
03:09:12
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It's the, it's the ancient gods are giving you the ancient goods and goods. Yeah, it definitely is because it's, it's just more derma turtle. It's, it's, I'm so excited to play it. I'm yeah. Once I I'm done with Skyrim, it's the next game lined up. Yeah. It just, it just made me happy running into it again for a little bit. And it had a really cool little, little.
03:09:33
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Doom Slayer intro for the DLC. It's a very contained story. You don't get to go into one or two. I'm just in one at the moment. In Doom Eternal, you get your Doom Fortress, which is the space station that you go back to after each major mission. And that's where you see all your collectibles. And I was really negative on the Doom Fortress when I first started playing it.
03:10:03
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but then I realized where the collectibles all start to turn up.
03:10:08
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So in the main game, you do the secret areas that you go and pick up bits and pieces in. Unlike 2016, these are all records and bobbleheads and things like that. But the records you pick up appear as concert posters on the wall of the Doom Fortress, the space station, and you go up to them and you click on them and you can play the music from Quake.
03:10:34
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the music from Quake 2, the music from original Doom, from Doom 2, from Doom 64. So it's like, it actually, you go, you know what? That's really cool. I'm nostalgic. I want to go back. I want to go and find all these little bits and pieces. But on the map, they're only marked as a secret. They're not marked as
03:10:59
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What you get. Record. Yeah. So I want to go and get the record because when I get to the fortress next, I want to go and put the fucking original Doom music on or I want to put the Doom 64 music on. That's the way to get, that's the way to get Dan to platinum things with collectibles is to make them actual things you collect and then do things at your own. Oh yeah, definitely. Yeah, definitely. And I mean, it's, it's the same as, um, the, uh, the,
03:11:24
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It's the, the, the vineyard in the Witcher three, where you can go and just put your, put your, um, armor stands up and put all your collected armor along the walls and your, uh, Oh, I see houses in Skyrim. I've got so many armor mannequins at the moment. Yeah. Oh, but see, I didn't get to do that because that wasn't a thing when I, when I played Skyrim first. So you have to play it again. Yeah.
03:11:45
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So yeah, Doom Eternal, Ancient Gods, it's just more Doom Eternal. Love it. It's more Doom Slayer, good fun shit. The game that you hated for a while but ended up falling in love with it. It's such a great turnaround Dan. Like I said last time, I don't think there's ever been a game I've ever played that I've hated and then come to absolutely loving it as much as I do.
03:12:08
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And then obviously a Battlestar Galactica deadlock. That's a spotlight topic. Gangster deadlock. Battlestar Galactica deadlock. I've sent you guys some very late night, me sitting here at my PC desk freaking Scotch. When you said that first video, the first video that you sent of it, I was quite intoxicated when you sent it to me. And I was just like, I was at the pub and mates were like, what are you watching? I was like, don't know.
03:12:38
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But it looks fucking good, right? It looks like Fallout Tactics but turned into a space opera. Star Wars need to do this. Lucas Games. Or Star Trek for that matter. Star Trek. Any of those ones that people have the real affinity to. This is the perfect game just to take the framework of. I think Star Trek have done a game similar to that.
03:13:05
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Well, they've got Star Trek Online, which has a kind of a like a flowing element, but this is turn-based. Like you literally, the one of the pictures I sent you guys was me chasing a singular Cylon ship with the ghost shadows of all my ships going after it were the turns that I was making. So that when I start again, that was where my ships were going to go.
03:13:31
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And it's this is like star wars already has this in x-wing miniature game and star wars amara like they have the tabletop versions of these games this is exactly what it is it's just translated to a video game.
03:13:47
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If they don't do this, this is such a miss on their behalf.
From Tabletop to Video Games
03:13:53
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Devlok is such a great addition to the Battlestar Galactica world, but just a great addition to translating what we play on tabletop. And I know it's a bit of a dying genre with us old farts.
03:14:06
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and playing things physically and all the physical media that we'd like to collect. Yeah. Um, but it's, it's, it's so, so much fun. So much. I'm not going to go into it. Fuck it.
03:14:19
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Tom, are you winning? Well, Pete, no, let's go. Pete, are you winning, son? Oh, no, I'm not. So anyway, hang on, hang on, hang on. I've, why not? I've hit the hard reset, which I'm going to say, I saw the range logo on that. It's a great beer. That's a, that's a fucking, what is it? It's a West coast IPA. Yeah.
03:14:43
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440 mil, 6.7%. It's exactly what I want at this time of night. It's not punching your face, but it's there. It makes its presence known. And Hard Reset's perfect for someone who finished high on life, turned off the Xbox, and hasn't turned on either console since.
03:15:04
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I thought you were going to go back to RDR. I've been forcing myself not to because that's a time sink. I'm not going to finish it before Starfield or Baldur's Gate 3.
03:15:22
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And there's lots of stuff that I need to do work-wise and podcast-wise. I mean, we still haven't released Uplight on YouTube. We actually get quite a few views on YouTube these days. So that's important for us to catch up on. So I've been kind of focusing my time on other stuff. So I'm quite happy. So I was going to weigh in on my thoughts on you playing Baldur's Gate or Starfield. Yes. Play Starfield, Pete.
03:15:51
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Yeah, play Starfield. Every man and his dog is currently playing Baldur's Gate 3 and spoiling it for everyone. I don't care about that. Dan and I have a special connection to Larian Studios, I feel. Yeah, my opinion here is different. If you have something that you're trying to decide between, whether it's Baldur's Gate or Starfield, don't pick Baldur's Gate.
03:16:17
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Because you want to sit and enjoy that world that they have created and take your time and not feel rushed. I actually, I don't know if you've got time and I don't know if Tom's got time, but it feels like a co-op game to me.
03:16:35
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So, yeah, I don't know. Someone asked me about this last night. I was like, yeah, I know. I was like, someone was like, oh, you played Baldur's Gate 3 and I was like, it's not out on consoles. But I know the two guys I would play it with, but we would never match up our schedules. And I actually don't. I'm the worst person because I would go ahead. You can make time.
03:16:55
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I don't, I see. I don't think so. I think, I think I've played quite a bit of old scale. I've played through the 20 hours twice of the same, the same loop because of the, the, the, the updates over the early access period and.
03:17:10
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I find it quite a personal thing. Like I find that going into this party of characters that they've created quite a personal thing. And I think, I think running these characters with other people controlling them, if you were going to take the main storyline characters that were created for the Baldur's Gate story, quite a personal thing to you leading this party and directing them in the direction that
03:17:39
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You think they should go because they're quite a conflicting party. Yeah. But if everybody was- The legacy characters, but that's the same as, that's the same as, as, uh, divinity one or two. Yeah, it is. In fact, there were, there were two characters in divinity two, that if you had them both in the party, like they would kill each other. One would always die.
03:18:01
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Yeah. And I think, I think Baldur's Gate is exactly the same thing. And I think if you were to play three players in a party of four that all created characters of their own, you would also miss an enormous amount in a massive game. So I'll fuck you guys. I'm playing this on my own. Okay.
03:18:19
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Fair enough. But that's just my opinion. And I also think Starfield is a very personal thing too, because it's a... It's a Fallout game. It rolls into what Tom's about to talk about. I mean, it's a Skyrim. Bethesda. It's a world where you feel alone, but you're
The Enduring Appeal of Skyrim
03:18:38
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not alone. Look, Peter really comes down to it. I would just pick which controller you want to spend more time with over the next however many hours you're going to invest.
03:18:46
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I'm gonna end up playing Starfield. I think- You've been more excited for Starfield than you have Baldur's Gate 3, I feel. You've talked about Starfield more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think you're probably right. I think you're probably right. And it's funny because I've been, and I almost messaged you guys a couple of times over the last few days, mainly when drunk over the last week or so.
03:19:07
Speaker
Hey, guys, I miss you. And it's just a really random thing that I'm feeling. True. It's just, I've been missing a Fallout game. I'm just like, I've been craving a Fallout game. I haven't played Fallout since I Platinum'd Fallout 3. Oh, do you not play Fallout? No, I Platinum'd New Vegas, which was after Fallout 3. I've never played Fallout 4. But it was great. I played Fallout 4.
03:19:33
Speaker
It was also really hard for me to get into. I had to go out and into that for a couple of times. I just missed the randomness, which I think Starfield will scratch that itch. So anyway, Fus Ro Da. FUS RO DA! Yes, I am. I'm still neck deep in Skyrim. I had two weeks off work and I am a hundred and...
03:19:54
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35 hours into Skyrim, I never get tired of just roaming the landscape and listening. You've talked it up. You've, you haven't talked it up. Sorry. That's the wrong words to use. You have described this massive time sink to get the, the, to play the game, to finish the game. And I'm starting to question whether or not I actually did platinum it. So I'm- Oh no, you can platinum it in like 40 hours. If you smash through everything, you can do it in like 40 hours.
03:20:24
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But I don't think you can, because you've got to get all of the all of the collectibles. You've got to do all of the dungeons. No, no, I'm pretty sure. Or something like that. There were tokens that got you to. No, there's the Daedrix things you need to do, the Daedrix quests. But they actually are pretty like pretty fast when you actually think about it. I'm seriously tempted to open my Steam and see what I've collected.
03:20:53
Speaker
I don't know what my hours are on the game. I don't even know who can look it up, to be honest. I can tell you, because I'm on PSN profiles right now, the Elder Scrom, Elder Scroms, Elder Scrosums, the Elder Scrosums 5 Skyrim trophy guide, they reckon it's, okay, sorry. So it's a 5 out of 10 difficulty. It's 1 playthrough and 125 hours, they reckon. Yeah. So it's a big fucking game, man. No, but I definitely think you can do it quicker.
03:21:23
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You can smash through that main quest. Yeah, but I'm not the sort of person that speedruns things. I like to enjoy my run. As much as you- You're talking to the king of not speedrunning this game. I'm literally like, I walk past and it's like, it's not a filled, it's the blacked out like, logo for a cave. I'm like, well, I have to go that way right now. No, but Tom, you're going to that quest.
03:21:46
Speaker
Well, I can't go to that quest. It's the ADD of video games. It's like, I have no idea how we ended up here, but here we are. It's the start of the Incredibles. It's the Mr. Incredible drive in the car. And he's like, you have still got time. Like that's, that's what I think. I literally was like, well, I've got time.
03:21:59
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Um, I have just been playing through the Dawnguard DLC, which I never played in the first one because I never, I never played the DLCs and that's been really cool. It's all, all based around vampires. It's, it's, it's very fun. Um, it's a really good story. And then I'm, I'm, I'm now also now super excited after the quality of that to dive into the dragonborn, which is the second DLC, um, which takes you to another Island.
03:22:23
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So, like, both the DLC, the first DLC, it's like, they've played both of those. They pick areas just off the map, technically, that they open up in this. But yeah, no, I'm chugging through it. I'm leaving portions. I've got up to the points of the game where I finally finished all the Daedric quests.
03:22:45
Speaker
which I never did because one of them glitched out on me when I played on PS3. So I finished that, so that's an accomplishment for me. Thieves Guild, I'm going to finish off next. I am a full companion. I actually just, I will, in part of doing the Dawnguard, I got cured my Lycathan 3.
03:23:06
Speaker
werewolfness. What dance? Lycanthropy. Lycanthropy. There you go. To contract vampirism, you can't have both at the same time. So now I'm a fully fledged vampire lord. Really preferred the lycanthropy. I agree. That was a lot of fun running around. Yeah. So actually I know I can cure my vampirism and then I can go back and re contract.
03:23:30
Speaker
I can get back and become a world again. So I probably will do that. But yeah, I've got up to the funny thing I forgot. So remember path and acts the the dragon that's the top of the mouth. Oh, no. Do you know who he's voiced by? No. He's the same dude who does the Mario voice. Talk about fucking range. Wow. So because it
03:24:02
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It's the same guy, same voice actor. That dude instantly most talented man on the planet. Wow. I just remember how big Skyrim was and walking up the top of the mountain.
03:24:21
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Yeah, you get your horse that's suddenly a mountain goat and it can go vertical up a mountain. That's fantastic. Yeah. Oh, but you have to walk up that mountain the first time and go past all of the little banner things that like the little penance. Yeah. And then just the soundtrack that Jeremy Soule created is definitely one of the greatest game soundtracks of all time. Also can confirm platinum and also a hundred percent at Hearthstone. Yep. Dragon. Done Hearthstone. Dragon.
03:24:51
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to build your houses. Dawnguard and Dragonborn. Yeah, so I'm basically finished Dawnguard and then I've just got to go. I've never played Dragonborn. I'm super excited. That's when you face off the other Dovahkin Dragonborn dude. Yeah, so no, it's in there. And I'm just loving it. I'm really loving it. The lore is fantastic. The choices actually make a difference. Even just the simplest little fetch quest is so fleshed out. Like you understand why it takes them 10 years to make game to game.
03:25:22
Speaker
I don't know if you remember this, I was just playing the Dawnguard DLC and I went to the soul plane and you meet a dude who I remember meeting in Morrowind and they've put him in that. It's such a fucking throwback. I mean, he's talking about everything that happened in Oblivion and all this kind of stuff and it's like, oh.
03:25:42
Speaker
It's it's yeah it's you dude shit I remember meeting you like yeah and then you look up you look up the law online and and it's the same guy it's the same guy Emma's been laughing cuz I'm like going to bed and she's like you know she's like half asleep and I usually read a digital comic in bed shoot me but I'll also now instead of reading that I'm like
03:26:06
Speaker
On the Wikipedia page for Skyrim. I want a wiki page for Skyrim, just reading through lore. Because I'm like, the text they use in-game is really hard to read. It actually kind of hurts my eyes a bit. So it's much easier to read on a thing. I'm like, oh yeah, what quests I just did? Oh, I'll read up on them. I'll read all the lore bits that went into that.
03:26:24
Speaker
See I'm fucking winning son and I'm, I'm, I'm, look, after two weeks of just, that's all I did. People like, what did you do on your holiday? Did you go away? Did you have a good time? I was like, I literally, I was in Tamriel. I was in Tamriel. Yep. And I never wanted to leave. Yeah. That's awesome. Yes. I am winning son. All right. I think that might be the end of our episode. Well, I think that's fucking us. Yep. Well done everyone. We got there.
03:26:51
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In the end, in the end. Um, if anyone was asking, if you got there, my fifth beer as well, that I was drinking, I'm drinking the, the Sydney brewery speakeasy black IPA. Oh, delicious. We have done that before. That's why I cracked. I had another can. Yeah. Get it around your lips and mouth hole. You're laughing gear. All right. Thank you very much for listening. Bye. Catch you.