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E4: Banshee Evenings on Long Island
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Chris gets back from the Counting Crows' Long Island show (July 8, 2023) and gives his detailed review of the big night (from his view in the second row).
https://www.countingcrows.com/show/northwell-health-at-jones-beach-theater-2023
Then, Chris and Eric talk broadly about the Banshee Tour (including setlists, Dan's COVID, Adam's Duet with Dashboard Confessional etc;)
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Transcript
Introduction to Banshee Tour
00:00:06
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The way home
00:00:15
Speaker
Welcome to Sullivan Street, the Banshee episode, where we will talk all about the Banshee tour with Dashboard Confessional and our own experiences going to the shows. But first, as always, let's say hi to my co-hosts. Now, Chris, usually I start this off by saying, hey, Chris, how are you today? But this is not normal. How are you today? Because less than 24 hours ago, you actually saw the Crows live in concert. Yeah, I'm definitely great.
00:00:44
Speaker
It was no question that I was going to be pretty great if I had real good tickets to see Counting Crows last night and they played for two hours and it was a delight. So, you know, what am I going to do? Feel down about that?
00:01:00
Speaker
No, that sounds great. And I'm looking forward to, I mean, that's pretty much what we're gonna start with. We have a couple of things we wanna talk about on the show today. So we are, because it just happened, we're gonna talk to Chris about his live in-person review of the show yesterday, which I actually looked up. What's the name of the, it's on Long Island, right, that you went? Jones Beach is the place on Long Island. The city is technically Wontaw.
00:01:29
Speaker
Right. Right. Right. It's, uh, but it's, uh, people know it as Jones beach. I, you know, I don't, I growing up, I until, until I got old enough to start looking at tour dates and understand that, like, see like, oh, Jones beach and see like want on next to it. And I don't think I knew that want on was the name of anything.
00:01:48
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So we will talk about your experience in Wonta last night, less than 24
Setlist Surprises and Concert Dynamics
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hours ago. Then we're going to talk about all the news that's been happening and just our thoughts, reflections on this Banshee tour. And there actually is quite a lot to talk about. Then I will get into my experience seeing, I guess you could say the tour kickoff, which I actually went to the Hollywood show at the Troubadour. So there are a lot of exciting things to talk about.
00:02:15
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And then we will get into a review of a past show in Hollywood. More details about that in a bit. But Chris, why don't you start us off? And I do want to say that I actually counted right before we started the podcast. And I believe it was show number 14 out of about 55, 56 dates that they are doing on this tour. So it is a long tour, like you said.
00:02:41
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earlier. And yeah, so your thoughts? Yeah, they're early in the tour. I, again, I, first of all, thought they sounded great. One of the things that, you know, we'll talk about a little bit is like the sort of variety of the songs. And one of the things I think sometimes that gets confused when people are talking about a band, especially like hardcore fans, is they'll get like, oh, it's Omaha again. Okay. Yeah.
00:03:09
Speaker
And variety isn't the same as quality, right? And we'll help people who want to see the band a lot and have it different times might sometimes have a comment about variety. The band sounded fantastic kind of all the way through. I thought Adam was in really good voice, particularly again, it was kind of a rough evening. It was just kind of a muggy evening, you know, the kind of night where you're like,
00:03:31
Speaker
I feel bad for a band playing two hours when standing here is a little bit impressive. I'm sweating pretty hard just standing and existing and watching this, which means if you're under lights and actively performing for two hours, this is probably a pretty long night.
00:03:53
Speaker
But yeah, they opened, I think, a subtle nod to us, Eric. They opened with Sullivan Street. I was going to text you that last night, and I was like, that is really nice for Adam to start with Sullivan Street, acknowledging the hard work we're putting into this podcast. And I was kind of hoping they, because they've mostly opened with that around here on this tour. Mrs. Potter's once or twice, and
00:04:20
Speaker
maybe back at the front, there might've been something else that maybe came out as the opener. But they've mostly been sticking to those two, and I love hearing Sullivan Street. So great to see them. It's a great starter, right? It really is. Yeah, I think a great way. I really like, I think they said when they play that sort of slower song to really bring and build the tempo there. And I think especially the way they play Sullivan Street now, I think is really,
00:04:49
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It really is a great starter. They went into Richard Manuel. I should pull the set list up. They went into, that'd be a good thing for me to do.
00:05:01
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They went then into Mr. Jones, which is... They like playing Richard Manuel a lot. I guess I don't have a lot of thoughts about it. I always found it interesting that that seems to be one of their... I guess it officially was a single of theirs. But I don't know, it's just an interesting... They obviously like that song.
00:05:22
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Yeah, I like it too. I mean, I was kind of just being at Jones Beach, I'm always kind of hoping for like hard candy in that space, just that's all. I was actually about to say that. I can see them not pulling that if it's not something they play, but they play hard candy a lot. So I'm so surprised that they didn't play that there.
00:05:41
Speaker
But they're not a band that always does the song, you know, in the, uh, I know my friend thinks that they are, but they, they are not. And I think when it happens, it just kinds of is lucky. I, yeah, I've been to DC a couple times the error, at least that DC Metro area and, um, you
Ticketing Frustrations and Strategies
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know, they want them to play, um,
00:06:03
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St. Robinson because they mentioned like the Chesapeake and stuff like that but but I think it's it's more luck when it happens then they did actually I realized I just looked at they did play they when they played Long Island last summer they did which was not at Jones Beach it was in like the club
00:06:19
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called the Paramount, they did play hard candy. So they sometimes, it's not, it's not, they always avoid it, but yeah, it's not, it's not a guarantee that they're, they're going to play it. Oh, one thing I did want to ask, I'm guessing it was sold out or, or at the capacity. No, actually it was not. So it was, uh,
00:06:36
Speaker
I, again, I haven't looked at the rest of the tour in terms of ticket sales. I don't tend to focus on that, but while it was a good sized crowd, there was definitely the upper, the very upper area was pretty open and there were definitely some open spaces. I actually ended, I sort of stocked out tickets and I was able to buy for sort of the like regular price after all the premium
00:06:58
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VIP and whatever had fallen off. I bought second row tickets yesterday, or Friday, the day before the show. You had tickets before though, right? No, I hadn't bought them because I saw, I was like, I want to be in the first section. And I saw that they hadn't all sold very quickly. And I was like,
00:07:16
Speaker
I'm just going to, I know I'm going to be able to get something pretty good. And I'll just kind of wait this out. And that ended up paying off fairly well. Um, so even though you told me a month ago, you were going to this show, you actually didn't have tickets until the day of the show. And that is a difficult, emotional thing for me. And I could talk to you for like hours about how I feel about ticket master and the fact that they've basically made it like a weight, like
00:07:41
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They've put so much on concert goers where they put so much of the risk on us by jumping the prices up at the beginning and then dropping them towards the end. They basically act like a scalper now.
00:07:56
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I want to totally derail the show. I'm a believer, absolutely, you should get whatever price you can for the tickets and that should go to the band and not actual scalpers. But it is a frustrating thing I find. I like getting on during the presale and just buying the tickets and being like, I'm going to the show as opposed to waiting at the last minute. But that's kind of where we're at.
00:08:17
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for like concert tickets now for things that aren't going to actually like fully sell out.
Personal Moments and Song Requests
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But no, you have me thinking because I've been you have me thinking that if maybe for us like really hardcore crows fans, including our audience that that maybe if you can get in the presale, great. And if not, it does not hurt to wait to the day of.
00:08:35
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Well, I think part is you got to watch it, right? You just kind of got to see, like, because again, I'm not looking at every show and every show is indifferent. This is Jones Beach. It's a theater that holds over 10,000. I think. Oh, I didn't realize that. OK, it's a big it's a big, you know, outdoor theater on the on the water. And so there's a lot of space there. And so if you're going to a show that's in a bigger space, I again, take a look and maybe keep an eye out there and, you know,
00:09:03
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Um, actually, but so the fun thing is it was a Mr. Jones, I tease this to you when we texted yesterday, Eric, I told, I told you I had a moment with Adam. Um, I had an Adam thing to talk about. So I was in the second row. I was wearing a reproduction of a vintage, uh, recovering the satellites t-shirt.
00:09:20
Speaker
And Adam sits down on the amp, or the monitor, pretty in front of me during one of the slower parts of Mr. Jones. And he kind of like looks, and he can see my t-shirt, he sees my t-shirt, and I'm like, I think he's looking at me. And he's like, like points at it, and kind of goes, gives it like a very nod of approval, kind of like a thumbs up, and then like goes about the song. And I was like, oh.
00:09:42
Speaker
Apparently, he likes vintage Counting Crow's t-shirts. So, yeah, that was a nice moment. I was close enough that he could literally just look at me and go like, Oh, I like that guy's t-shirt. No, it's funny. They did it. They did a Recovering the Satellites like redo t-shirt last year, but it's not with the Satellites logo. I don't know if you saw it. It's almost like I think as an LP logo or something.
00:10:01
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But you're right, I haven't seen someone with a vintage, which I used to own one of those, recovering to satellite t-shirts in a long time. So I'm glad he appreciated that. He was, yeah, he's appreciated. I'd love to, again, maybe if we ever get him on the show, we'll talk about, cause he loved, the one thing I know that I could talk to Adam Duritz about if I needed to, would be vintage band t-shirts. Cause he seems to really like band t-shirts. And I also really like band t-shirts, so.
00:10:24
Speaker
Yeah, and so does Bryson's always wearing, right? He likes to wear Ramones. There's a couple that he likes to wear, and I think I've seen Millard. Well, Millard changes it up. He has different kind of vintage t-shirts, but I've seen him with some band t-shirts as well, which I've never seen Charlie or Jim wearing band t-shirts.
00:10:40
Speaker
No, that's right. Yeah. Um, so after that Jones, they went into, they went into colorblind. Um, and that's interestingly, this is kind of a spot and we'll talk about this maybe more later. It's kind of a spot where they always have done. Adam's been talking a lot during this tour and here he said, look, I promised too many songs to people so I can't talk. But what he did mention, one of the things he has been saying about a bunch in the store is he's talking about butterfly in reverse and, um, how it's a song that his girlfriend
00:11:07
Speaker
You know, ask them to play nag is the word he used. I'm not using that word. He asked him to play. And last night, interestingly, I hadn't heard him say before, he said that he is there's another song she's been asking him about, but he's still really into playing butterfly in reverse. Now I'm curious what that song is. I'm very, my mind went to like, what could she be?
00:11:31
Speaker
demanding that would maybe be in the genre or something of butterfly, right? I know what you're saying. Someone who would, not randomly, but pick that song out as being underplayed. What other song are there? Yeah, I'm so curious, right? Yeah. If I have to guess.
00:11:49
Speaker
And I'll go on record saying this, and we'll see, because eventually I assume he will break down and we'll play it. My guess is Amy hit the atmosphere. Oh, yes, and I hope that that's what it is. No, I think that's exactly, yeah, that's a great call. I was going to, like, something I didn't believe but was hopeful, I was going to say, barely out on Tuesday, which for some reason I just think that she would like the song, but, you know, right, that has other, right. But that would be ballsy. She's like, look.
00:12:18
Speaker
I feel very secure in this relationship. And so I want you to play this song you wrote with next. I think Amy had the atmosphere is exactly right. So I'll join the bet with you. We can. But yeah, they're butterfly in reverse Omaha.
00:12:33
Speaker
But then, interestingly, kind of a longer section in the middle here than they have played in other places. I wish I was a girl, which I always really liked, which Adam introduces the song about disconnection. I love that song live. It's a great song. And this is a song that I thought was in their heyday, or when they only had three or four albums, I thought was like a, for Crow standards, was like a five out of 10 song. And like, ah, I like it, it's fine. But now I absolutely love that song. And there's so many subtle,
00:13:03
Speaker
improvements in the live version, I think now. I don't know if you catch like they do more effects with the guitars and stuff like that adding. Yeah. So anyway, I would actually know this. Emmy was playing a very cool, like clear guitar that he did not play for anything else, but he played it for I wish I was a girl. It was very, very cool looking. And part of what I thought was interesting and I had noticed didn't hadn't noticed it before.
00:13:29
Speaker
He's playing slide at times on the song, but not at others. So that might be part of the sort of effect aspect of where you're hearing the slide versus not hearing the slide guitar. I thought it was a really, I really like that song.
00:13:47
Speaker
Yeah, for those that don't like, at least in my you can compare their studio version to even if you listen to the one so it's five years ago now, but there's a video on the official channel for I wish I was a girl from the 25 years and counting tour.
00:14:02
Speaker
And it's pretty close to what they play now. And as I said, anyway, I think it's a great version. So, okay. And then right into a song that's actually, and Adam didn't mention this, but it's a pair in a sense, which is Good Night Elizabeth. And a pair, for those who know the story, right? Good Night Elizabeth is about the girl that Adam was dating when they went on the August and everything after tour. And I Wish I Was a Girl is about the same relationship, right? The idea that she wouldn't believe him, that he wasn't cheating.
00:14:32
Speaker
And, but yeah, so Goodnight Elizabeth, again, also it's one of my, when we talk about recovering the satellites, I'll talk, I could talk for hours about Goodnight Elizabeth and all the million versions of that song. I always love that song. I think it's one of the like, it's one of like heart songs of like, I think if you love the crows, it to me is one of their like most crowsy songs, right? The heart of that song is very much like,
00:14:59
Speaker
Someone who loves Counting Crows. I can't imagine who loves this band that wouldn't love the last verse of this song.
00:15:09
Speaker
If you wrap yourself in daffodils, I will wrap myself in pain. If you're the queen of California, I'm the king of the rain. I can't imagine who's not like, doesn't get excited for that. If you also, if you happen to love, I can imagine people who don't like that. I just can't imagine both liking Counting Crows and not liking that. I do know that for, it'll be interesting when we review recovering the satellites. It is my impression, and I'm not saying it's that high on my list, it's my impression
00:15:36
Speaker
that that is for a lot of Heart of Crows fans, that's their favorite song from that album. So, yeah, I understand what you're saying. By the way, when you mentioned- I'm not sure if it's my number one. I'll think about it, but it certainly had one of my favorites. Just because I'll throw it here because you mentioned it. I forgot about the connection between the two. I wish it was a girl, Goodnight Elizabeth. But remember that I mentioned that when I first heard Desert Life, it was like that I was on a road trip right when it was released and we listened to it over and over. But I think it was the first time or the second time we listened to it.
00:16:06
Speaker
And my friend, uh, looks at me after I wish I, or during which I was a girl and said, boy, that Elizabeth must've really screwed him over. He said, it's just so subtly. So, uh, cause he always loved good night, Elizabeth. Okay. So it's true. Sometimes he, some of those relationships, they linger, right? Um, the other interesting thing I will know just about the way they've been playing this song on this tour.
00:16:29
Speaker
Um, obviously they've still been doing pale blue eyes in the middle, but one thing I noted and I can't, I don't recall them doing it in the 2021 versions. And if I heard them play it last year, I don't recall them doing it. Um, he's gone back to using at the end of the second verse, say, uh, singing the moon is a satellite, which he had dropped for so long. And that's kind of slipped back in. Although I actually think.
00:16:52
Speaker
I actually think that was, he must, that must be recent. I don't even think that was in there. I feel like I would have picked up on it on the XM show that you went to, which we'll talk about more. They did open with that song. And I think he's at some point in the last month or so, something popped into his head and he likes that line again. It sounds, he sounds great belting
Significant Songs and Performances
00:17:12
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it out. So, uh,
00:17:15
Speaker
Uh, they went into Miami, uh, a bit of a shorter version than they've been doing on this tour. Um, I think because he said they've got too many songs, but they've, uh,
00:17:25
Speaker
And a lot of the versions of Miami on this tour, they've been telling the sort of long version of the story in the middle, where Adam talks about the story that, again, if you may have heard, which is what's behind the song. He's waiting in Miami. His girlfriend's plane is coming down. It looks like it's flying into the sun. That gives him this feeling of foreboding. And then the relationship ends, and it ends badly.
00:17:52
Speaker
is left thinking to himself, if you knew that this was all going to be screwed up, well, what would you do? Which is, again, we'll talk about Miami at some point, really detailed. But I always love that. I think it's a beautiful, that middle of the song is beautiful. And I really loved, when they were developing that, it's crazy to think it's 15 years now. 2008 was when they started doing that.
00:18:19
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And they were doing it every night. And it was before that became kind of a standard in the middle of the song. And so they were kind of working it out. And I really love a lot of those versions of the song. And if you get a NUG subscription, all of the 2008 tour is on NUGS, friends.
00:18:42
Speaker
You can go back and listen to just a bunch of Miami's from 2008 and see if you agree with me or not. Those are good. After that,
00:18:53
Speaker
Uh, they went into a song. We talked on the first episode, right? About how we first questioned me. Eric was talking about like seeing a white whale. And I was like, you know, I'd been chasing the song speedway for 10 years. Oh, I forgot that you said that. And then they finally played it last year in Port Chester. And it was a really nice moment because I'd been like hoping to see them play it for so long.
00:19:13
Speaker
And then the next year, I go see him again. He plays Meadway again. I didn't even have a magnet for this thing. Now I'm going to see it for decades. Again, I love this song. I was super happy to see it. A lot of people sat down around me around this song, which again, I said, it was really hot. I think people were getting a little tired and it's certainly less popular in slow song.
00:19:32
Speaker
I love that song. You're happy to see it. I was stoked to see them play that, and he sounded great. He introed it by talking about how Ben's original name for it before it had a name was. You should just call it, I'm out of here, you bitch.
00:19:49
Speaker
Well, that's interesting that he, so he mentioned Ben, the previous drummer. He mentioned Ben. Okay, that's interesting. I've never heard him mention ever in any interview or on a show. So that's interesting by itself. Yeah, exactly. Very rarely. I mean, I think it's, you're right. I mean, he does not talk about Ben a lot, but he mentioned in that context here. After that, and this is an interesting one for me, he played Washington Square. Okay, which is a New York song. Well, and I was thinking about this. So the first time I saw the crows,
00:20:17
Speaker
Uh, was August of 2003. So almost exactly 20 years ago, we're like six weeks or so shy of that at Jones beach. Um, so same place. Um, cause it's where I went to a lot of concerts, you know, growing up.
00:20:33
Speaker
And that night that I went to see them was the first time they played Washington square. So here I am 20 years later. Yeah. They're still playing the song. They're still, I'm still going to see counting crows shows. It was kind of a nice, kind of like full circle moment. It was also kind of interesting cause I was thinking like,
00:20:49
Speaker
I had second row last night as i mentioned the first time i was at almost the very very top of that place like we were like it was a hike and unlike so jones beach it's interesting so. Most of this kind of shed venues that you would go to in the summer there flat.
00:21:07
Speaker
Right. They basically they go upwards a little bit, but there's a big lawn at the back. Jones Beach doesn't have a lawn. Jones Beach is like vertical. It's like stands. So it goes there's like multiple sections, but it goes up, up, up and up. And so if you are in the upper level, you are one very, very far away from the stage. But it's actually kind of a cool. It's I was talking about this last night because it's like you're right on the water.
00:21:37
Speaker
you are right on the ocean. And when you're up close, obviously you lose the benefit of that, because you don't see the behind you, it's on the sides of you. But if you're up at the top, it's actually kind of beautiful on a summer evening, because you're kind of taking in, you see the boats on the water and people, it's kind of a nice view from a little bit further back that you kind of lose when you're close. So pluses and minuses in that regard. Also makes, which I'll talk about later, but they,
00:22:06
Speaker
Obviously they played along December and it does make the line, it's been so long since I have seen the ocean feel very wrong. You just kind of want to scream out like it's right there. It's over there. I can see the ocean as we speak. You saw the ocean. It had to have been no more than 90 minutes ago. Has not been that long. Um, yeah, after that, they played big yellow taxi. A note. So a note here.
00:22:38
Speaker
We had noticed through the evening that there were a couple of children, one kind of like teenager, one, maybe a little bit shy of a teenager who had been coming out and handing the guys the guitars. And my wife and I were kind of making jokes about like, Oh,
00:22:54
Speaker
child labor a little bit, guys, jeez. I know times are hard in terms of getting crew members here, but I mean, we gotta- So what I'm guessing you're about to say, and I've seen them so many times, they've never had a child doing anything like that, and they have a set crew, so there's something probably special going on, and that's probably what you're getting at. Yeah, so on Big Yellow Taxi, Dave Bryson plays Shakers. Yes. And it hits me, so he sets up behind Dan, not Dan, behind Jim to play the Shaker into a mic there.
00:23:23
Speaker
And those two children join him also playing Shakers. And when you look at the two children, they look...
00:23:32
Speaker
I don't know, a fair bit like Dave Bryson. I think these were Dave's two kids. They're probably on summer break. And it was a very nice moment to watch him lead them on doing the shaker bit on Big Yellow Taxi. It was actually, it was really sweet. Cause it's, you know, he's had them practice. He's like, look, we're going to get this right guys. We're going to get this right.
00:23:54
Speaker
By the way, not to make a big deal about it, but big deal with Taxi is they don't play it that often. They do play it occasionally. A lot of quote-unquote fans that think they're hardcore don't like this song and the cover. I not only like the song, but I actually like the live version of it. I think it's a fun little song. Yeah. It's one of those songs, I think, as it became
00:24:22
Speaker
I think there was a time period where they were playing it kind of all the time. And now it's kind of like half and half, one out of every three. It comes up in the acoustic section, but it's definitely not every show anymore. And in part, that sort of made me appreciate it a little bit more, because when you don't hear it a little bit and you hear it again, you're like, actually, this is a really good arrangement of this song. It's actually a really cool version that they do of this song, and they really do play it
00:24:51
Speaker
very very well. Did you notice it? I like the live version much more so than the the recorded version always sounded a little um a little flat to me. I don't know it didn't it just doesn't pop off the table me but I really like live and especially the way they played over the last few years I really like it. Yep no I like it better live. Did you ever notice that they always have fun with that song too? That's one of the songs that they really enjoy playing and that's why I also like to see it live because I know they're having fun doing it. Okay yeah and it's one of those songs I think it's like a
00:25:20
Speaker
It works for them having fun, right? There's something about that song. I would, I think they talked about this, uh, on the last episode about sometimes it's Sullivan street. Sometimes when the song is a little too sad and they're having fun, it's almost a little, it's almost a little bit of a weird juxtaposition, but that song you're like, Oh, they're having a good time. I'm having a good time. And we're just all having, we're all having a nice time at the beach. Um, from here, they did round here.
00:25:45
Speaker
which has, there's an outro they've been doing. They still haven't been doing an alt in the middle. I have noticed, by the way, they've done something different. I think this is mostly in the rhythm section. I think this is in Jim and Millard. Coming out of the middle part,
00:26:07
Speaker
There's a there's they're doing something different that's sort of kicking the song up in a different way. It's on the the. She looks up at the building. She says he's thinking of jumping that that piece there kind of.
00:26:20
Speaker
They have found a kind of funkier groove of pulling that bit upwards. That's really interesting. When you listen to any round heres from this tour, keep an ear out for that. I really like it. I think it's a nice addition to the song and something that, again, I think is new, unless I was missing it in the last year or two. Yeah, they're doing an outro where Adam talks about getting in a car and driving.
00:26:49
Speaker
It's kind of similar to the come outside thing a little bit, but different. I like it. It's kind of a nice, it's a nice coda to the song. Part of me, it makes part of me once, it makes me want to go do some karaoke and try to drop that into the middle. Because it's kind of, there's like, it's a little bit, I'm like, I can...
00:27:10
Speaker
I could, even already having heard it a bunch of times, like listening to shows in the store, I'm like, I think I've got this in my ear. I think I could do, walk up to the, walk up and start doing this on a karaoke stage. From there, they went into the suite, which was good. I mean, it's, we've talked a little bit about this,
Emotional Highlights and Personal Reflections
00:27:32
Speaker
right? I'm a big believer that I'd be really into seeing them start to break up the suite so that it's not,
00:27:39
Speaker
a 20 minute block that has to, they're either going to play it or not, because I think all the songs kind of stand on their own. Yeah, I was almost going to save this to where maybe we talk about the tour in general, but I guess let's bring it up now that I love the suite. I've seen it live. I understand that. In fact, I just heard him talk about it in the
00:28:01
Speaker
That other podcast, about 24 questions on Bandsplain. I don't know if you caught that, but- I haven't noticed that one yet. Yeah, but he's very proud of this. And someone kind of joked, oh, why is he still playing it? Does he want to sell more copy? One is I think they like playing it. He's just really proud of it. And he kind of does want to sell it, but not for the money, right? He wants actually people to listen to it because he's so proud of the work. That said, it is,
00:28:24
Speaker
What in 2021 is when they did when they had the butter sweet miracle tour or butter miracle tour and then 2022 and now we're kind of guessing the third year of it. So I do like hearing the songs but I hope at some point they are comfortable splitting them up because you said they could play just one or two of those and they would stand on their own.
00:28:48
Speaker
Yeah, I think Bobby and the Rat Kings could be an encore song. I think the Tallgrass would be a really cool opener. Yes. My mind goes to the Have You Seen Me part. It goes in. I'd love to see them play that into Have You Seen Me Lately would be really cool. And because I used to, I sound like I'm being creative, but they did like slow songs and then the rock version of Have You Seen Me Lately, sorry, Second a bunch of times.
00:29:15
Speaker
Probably at different times. I think about I think the 2007 tour they did it a bunch but they've done it other times I really like that I think the tall grass into that would sound really cool and I think I I just don't want the songs I think the songs are great and I think sometimes like relegating them to that Yeah, it was actually really interesting seeing you know again. We had chairs and stuff so a lot of people sat down and
00:29:37
Speaker
at the beginning of the suite, and a lot of people stood up in the middle of Angel of 14th Street. So there is something about they're kind of winning the crowd back midway through. Oh, that's interesting. The piece is kind of picking up again. That's interesting that that's the song that they stood up for. Okay, interesting. Yeah, kind of because that's when the record, the suite, the record picks up.
00:30:01
Speaker
Uh, some steam and I always like, again, I think there's something really nice. The Bobby and the rat Kings is obviously a very self aware song. Um, but it is nice to stand, uh, with your significant other at the concert, uh, in the, that middle part where, uh,
00:30:18
Speaker
She turns to kiss me, or I didn't kiss someone, and you say, sometimes memories are all that we've got, so let's go make some at the show, right? Which is, in the literal sense, is what you are doing in that moment. I should shout out that, that was the other thing. I love, it's funny with the songs that get kind of repeated a lot. If I'm listening to a show, I may not always listen to Colorblind.
00:30:42
Speaker
What is a nice moment to sit next to my wife. We both love that song. We love that together. Like I'm always, I'm never going to say no to hearing that song in person. I'm a, you know, on that. So I'm similar to you and I have some other thoughts on the suite that I'll get to when we talk about the Troubadour show, but yeah, great.
00:30:57
Speaker
Um, and then rain King and long December to close it out. Rain King sounded, uh, again, they've been, they've been pretty short on that song. Uh, but it sounded, it sounded great and the energy in it is, is so great. Um, I, I miss the longer versions, but at the same time it's that song still sounds great. And I, it's, it's always nice if it allows kind of what Adam said a year or so ago that maybe.
00:31:22
Speaker
not having the longer versions allows him to put one extra song in. Right. I think that is part of it, right? I mean, literally, I think basically he was saying that even anyways, like, I promise so many songs to people. I've got a chop and cut and like, I've got too many songs in the set list. And yeah, if, if Rain King is five and a half minutes instead of eight,
00:31:43
Speaker
And even like, you know, round here is six and a half instead of eight. Well, together, that's a whole other song. So I do see the other, the balance to that.
00:31:55
Speaker
It looked like you saw one of the, didn't cut you off, but I saw that on the set list on the internet, it doesn't have elevator boots. And I only say that because then it looks like you had a total of 22 songs, which is on the higher right. They average 20, sometimes 21. I've seen as low as 19 generally, but 22, right? You got an extra song in there somewhere.
00:32:17
Speaker
Yeah, that's a good point because they have been right at like 2019. I think there was one or two that were even a little bit less than that. Yeah, maybe early on the tour. And to be honest, that's kind of where it's been for I think more than a decade now. I mean, I generally they're a 20 song band.
00:32:34
Speaker
Live. Yeah. So yeah, you got a couple extra songs in there and they played I mean just from a time perspective, right? They played Almost exactly two hours. I think a few minutes shy of that which is a great I mean to me that's a headlining set there was time periods where they were only playing 80 90 minutes or an hour 40 and they're playing they came on at 9 and they played really basically up until curfew at 11 so the
00:33:01
Speaker
Well, and we'll talk about it here. We'll talk, this is a point generally about the tour.
Setlist Management Challenges
00:33:06
Speaker
So they've been after, we'll talk about why they've been playing the song in a sec, but they've been playing time and time again a lot at the beginning of the encore. I really love that song. And they've been years since they played it, seven years. And they didn't play it last night. I think because they were short time. I like, I looked at my watch when they went to the encore and I was like, dude, there's 18 minutes left for songs. That's not enough. That's not enough time.
00:33:31
Speaker
And it's funny because it's like, as someone who says, I would love to see them change the set list more, it would be really hypocritical of me to complain about them changing the set list in a way. But that would have been I would have been good to see time. But that's the song that they brought back on this tour. It's almost the only new song that they did not play last year at all. And you love that song. And you said your wife loves that song.
00:33:55
Speaker
That would have been nice. So we'll we'll see. Maybe I'll get to see time and time again, but not Sullivan Street when I kind of have it. I think you will. I want to get I think they seem to be in the mood to play it. But the one thing I was thinking about in the way out was like you're saying, oh, they're playing good on this tour.
00:34:12
Speaker
When they started playing butterfly and reverse again, I thought to myself, Oh, they're going to play this for a couple of months and they'll probably forget about it. And we're two years in on them playing butterfly and reversed at most shows. So I maybe this is a sign time and time again is going to be there for a long time. And that's really true. They're going to play it. Time and time again. Um, it is ironic though, that they had to cut time and time again for.
00:34:36
Speaker
Right. And for the dashboard. But I guess what you're about to say is that a good replacement is that they are playing that so long, so long. I really like that. So yeah, the next song, they've been playing it every night almost once they started playing it on this tour, the dashboard confessional song, So Long, So Long, that features Adam. They've been playing that every night on this tour. I think
00:34:59
Speaker
Two things about that. First, I really like that song. Quite frankly, I really like that song kind of leaps and bounds more than other dashboard confessional songs. And again, I've not heard every dashboard confessional song, but that is definitely my favorite dashboard confessional song that I've heard, so I'm happy to hear them play it. I think it really highlights Adam's skill as
00:35:23
Speaker
not like a backing vocalist, but as a complimentary vocalist, you know? I love both of it. I was thinking about this last night, knowing we were going to record today. I love him as both a complimentary vocalist and a background vocalist. To this day, I guess just because I'm a Crows fan, but I love his la-da-da, da-da-da, sha-na, anything sha-da-da, la-di-da, like, you know, when he does those very supplemental, plus when he has a voice, sorry, a line on his own.
00:35:53
Speaker
Yeah. Oh yeah man, I love him backing. I mean, he's doing backing vocals on like 6th Avenue Heartache and I love that song. Yeah, he's on that Ryan Adams song too. Yeah, on Answering Bell. Yeah, Answering Bell. Yeah, I just think, yeah, he knows what to do. He fits his role perfect on the... Yeah. And funny, he'll be self-deprecating about that because he's like, oh, you know,
00:36:15
Speaker
because he's done like podcasts about like backing vocals on songs like, Oh, well, you know, I'm, you know, it's just me. She's like Cheryl Crow. She's a professional. And I'm like, I don't know, dude, you're, you're real good at this. Yeah, I hate to fanboy it. But I think that's one of his his skills is knowing exactly maybe because he has thought a lot about write his own vocals as a lead singer. But I think he's great.
00:36:37
Speaker
Well, the arrangement is really intricate. And I think the original arrangement of the song is a fairly, I think, interesting and intricate arrangement. But one of the things I also know, the second thing I know is like, having not seen the video of them playing yet, they are having a great time because it's both whole bands. And so Jim and Millard are upfront singing backing vocals because the dashboard confessional drummer and bassist are playing
00:37:02
Speaker
drums and bass on the song. So that's kind of interesting to see Jim and Millard out front and Adam is singing, there's a backing vocalist and dashboard confessional and she is singing with Emmy on mic and then Adam is kind of joining them and they're kind of like, they're doing a lot, there's a lot of like fun energy to the song.
00:37:21
Speaker
And I think again, I think the arrangement sounds great. I think it's such a it's a really, really good song. It reminds me what he does. And that song reminds me of you. You've heard. Have you heard the holiday in Spain? Yeah, it's exactly what I was going to say. He takes at the end, the other guy, Pascal, is singing the main part of the end of the song. And he goes off on this thing about like, you know,
00:37:42
Speaker
making the best of all that's left of me and he goes off this whole other thing and it's like so good like it's amazing and that's what kind of what this song reminds me of and just the way they kind of i i actually think i think chris carab is a great vocalist he's like he has a really nice strong voice and like anyway i really i'm really
00:38:02
Speaker
It's funny, I was talking to someone about that, like, ah, they're playing that song every night. And I was like, I don't know, like, they're not going to keep playing that song if they're not on tour with Dashboard Confessional. Yeah, this is it. This is your one or two opportunities to see them play this song together. Absolutely. Although I will know, I realize I saw them play this at Town Hall in 2007. I guess maybe not long after it was released, Chris Carabas showed up at the show that was recorded for a DVD.
00:38:30
Speaker
is actually, the DVD is only one part of the show. It's the first part where they play August and everything after straight through. Oh no, I'm wrong. I just looked at this. Chris Karabic came out, but they did not play so long, so long. I don't know why I was thinking, I just pulled up the set list. But I did see that they had played it before this show. I don't know if it was a good show. They have played it at some point, yeah. Did you get to, I guess it's the time to,
00:38:56
Speaker
Did you watch Dashboard in their entire opening set? I did. We got there basically right when they started. They were solid. Again, they played for almost exactly an hour for fans that want to get prepared.
00:39:13
Speaker
They seem to be playing basically the same set every night. Give or take like a song. So if you want to be like, I'm going to go listen to the songs that they're going to play, you absolutely can do that and sort of prepare yourself for that. And a lot of their singles, it looks like. It seems like. Yeah. Yeah. I thought they were I thought they were solid. They didn't totally move me. I thought the I in terms of like crows openers, I kind of place them like
00:39:41
Speaker
kind of in the middle side, like not, like below, certainly not among my favorites and kind of below some of the bands that I was surprised
Opening Acts and Musical Influences
00:39:49
Speaker
at. Like I personally, I really liked Maroon 5 and I really liked
00:39:55
Speaker
I liked like matchbox, I'd never seen matchbox 20. I was like, that's kind of cool. I actually got to see matchbox. I wouldn't, I wouldn't have gone to buy a matchbox 20 ticket. So I placed some kind of below there and certainly below like my favorites, like Augustana and Daniel and the lion and field report. And you know, it's interesting about that above live, definitely above live. Um, that's funny. Yeah. I mean, I have a bit of a soft spot for live being that, you know, about my age and I kind of saw them whenever we're starting once. And I'm also from Pennsylvania originally, but, uh,
00:40:23
Speaker
Dashboard one thing that's kind of cracks me up about them. I guess is that
00:40:28
Speaker
Kind of grows are not the definitive 90s band, but when you listen to August and even recovering, you get that 90s feeling, I guess, a little bit, if you know what I mean. The one thing that I think in some ways, Dashboard Conventional is such an early 2000 band. I actually like that sound, I guess. Doesn't it feel like you should be watching a teen film or something and they would be the soundtrack in the back?
00:40:55
Speaker
They do have a very it's like that that sort of the band especially the full band sound is very much that emo Sound of the early aughts. Yeah, it's very like it's interesting. It's Adam has talked about on this tour He's like man. I've been trying to get this tour to happen for 20 years and he's actually very sweet He's talking he talks about how like on a bunch of shows he's talked. He didn't talk to this last night, but he's talked about how they're
00:41:23
Speaker
Dashboard sort of inspired him in the sense that they're another band that is sincere. At a time in the early 2000s where bands that were very aloof and ironic were very popular, Dashboard was a band that was singing about their feelings and
00:41:41
Speaker
doing well at it. So I see that kind of crossover. Yes. But it kind of hit me. One of the reasons why you can do this tour now at amphitheaters is in part because dashboard confessional songs, sorry, dashboard confessional fans are now old enough to be in the same demographic. Yes. That they've been a band long enough that you can do the hey, it's 20 because I mean, the biggest dashboard songs are about 20 years old at this point, a little under, I think.
00:42:11
Speaker
But in the same way that, again, now you can do, like, I mean, the Death Cab for Cutie and the Postal Service, which is obviously the same guy, but they're doing those two records, the 20th anniversary and playing like Madison Square Garden, because again, the people who were in college when those records came out are now, you know, in their forties. We talked about Crows being like a coming of age band in the beginning, especially that, right, you could have come
00:42:38
Speaker
age of cutting crows and you were 19 and a young adult and then but also with dashboard confessional right when they were big maybe you were I don't know 29 or 30 years or you were still a young adult maybe you didn't settle down yet right and all that kind of stuff so right yeah okay yeah no it's uh yeah and then and they finished out with hanging around as as one would expect and then holiday in Spain um
00:43:02
Speaker
You know, um, which is always, always nice way to sort of to close things out. And then Adam sang a little bit of California dreaming as he's want to do as he, as, as he's been doing now for probably 20 years almost. Yeah. Long time. Yeah. I like it. I think he started that with the hard candy tour, but I could be wrong about that. I think it's around there. Yeah. There was, cause there was a period where California dreaming was their walk on music for a little bit. I think that's the TDL tour where they were like, they were, he was using his walk on music. I think you're correct about that.
00:43:32
Speaker
Okay. Do you have other, um, well, I guess we can talk a little bit about the Banshee tour in general, if you don't have any other, um, last thoughts about that. I will also say, just nice to say hi to all my, uh, the, the crows fans I've known a long time, like Nicole and Wendy, they were all, they were in the first row. So they were right.
00:43:54
Speaker
Right now you keep people that you only see at the croche like you always see within your crochets or do you know them outside of that. I feel like we mostly see each other crochets but that we're all you know social media friends and and say hi and in in passing you know not not that's a real best friend same but you know that we.
00:44:13
Speaker
We say hi in between the tours. But then, yeah, it's like when the tour is happening. And that's part of actually it's a nice thing about having like being at a venue where there's seats. Because sometimes like if you're at like a general admission venue and you don't get there as early as your friends, you don't go say hi to your friends unless you're a dickhead and you're going to try to push through. So it's nice to be like, hey, we're sitting near each other and we can say hi and chat for a few minutes between sets and enjoy the show.
00:44:39
Speaker
That that's great. All right. Um, yeah, hopefully they are listening to Sullivan Street, right? And we'll get the, uh, we'll get the word out that way at our, with our friends at the shows next to us or people sitting and standing next to us at the shows. Um, okay. So, so any thoughts about the, uh, Banshee tour in general, you would set, I mean, you mentioned about the set list and I know there's been a lot of,
00:45:06
Speaker
social media talk about whether the band should change up their set list. And I appreciate what you said about, you know, if you're discussing the crows live nowadays, separating, if you have thoughts about the set list, that's different than how are they sounding. Because I think I said to you off mic before we started this podcast a month ago, I said when I saw them three times in Europe last year, I said, I thought that was the best they sounded
00:45:35
Speaker
live, you know, since I've known them all the time. I think that in some ways, they're a polished act with some of these songs. Now, maybe that's one reason that they like playing some of the same songs because they kind of have to they know what to do. They know what to get the crowd and they know what what notes to hit, so to speak. You know, I mean, one thing I do want to say, I don't think anybody given my career background in numbers, this is something I almost had to do and something I did before the tour last year.
00:46:06
Speaker
And you were talking about Butterfly in Reverse, for instance, that they play that all the time. I mean, one thing worth noting is the constraint. So if they're playing 20 songs a night right now on this tour, they basically have 14 songs that are set. That so I don't know if people have realized that now they might take away one of these every so often, but in general, they are always playing Mr. Jones around here.
00:46:36
Speaker
Ring King and Omaha from the first album. That's four songs. They're 100 percent going to play long December. That's the only song that he has said on record. I will always play that song unless I tell you otherwise. Then they've been playing colorblind and hanging around basically every time. I think there might have been one or two they didn't play colorblind, but in general, they've always played that. So as you said, they've been playing Holiday in Spain.
00:47:03
Speaker
And butterfly in reverse and now we're up to nine on this tour. They're gonna play. Oh, sorry. I
00:47:10
Speaker
Yeah. And then in this tour, they're going to play so long, so long. Yep. And then you have the four songs from the suite. So I might have done that wrong, but in general, I think that's 14 songs right there. And time and time again, like, has they played that? It's not quite every night. They played that a lot in Miami. They played a lot. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I have a list of the alter. I guess the only reason I didn't mention those, because even on last year's tour, so I saw them three times in Europe,
00:47:35
Speaker
They played all 14 of those songs as well. So it's basically that they're playing 14 and then they have a list of like, let's just say another 15 that they're rotating in six out of those 15. They have cut the suite a couple of times. So obviously, well, let's maybe
00:47:52
Speaker
A couple of times, well, let's get to the elephant in the room, right? So they cut the suite a couple of times over the last week or two. If you look, you'll see a couple of sets. I noticed that the day before, I did not notice that actually, except for when Dan was out and we'll talk about that, but I didn't actually know until this morning that they had cut it out. Was there any reason for not having it in the day before? I think just time. My impression is just time that if you're going to play the whole suite,
00:48:22
Speaker
That's about 20 minutes. And if you hit the wrong part in the set and you go, shoot, I will. You if you have to cut more than one song, you basically have to cut the suite. Right. That's the easiest thing to cut. So I think that has happened a couple of times. And we should bring up the elephant. We were almost 50 minutes in and we haven't mentioned Dan got Covid, guys.
00:48:48
Speaker
So right it was really interesting as a crows fan to see and see them adapt and that not cancel the show that they're I guess he would say lead guitarist I know he really had to be one of them right yeah I know that if he does a lot but I would call Dan their lead guitarist that um yeah that he was out for was it
00:49:08
Speaker
three shows
Adaptations Due to COVID
00:49:09
Speaker
or something like that? Three shows, three shows. So Omaha, and they had kind of a break. I think that's part of why it was only three. Omaha, Indianapolis, and Cincinnati. And so if you haven't gone back and listened, for those who are listening, maybe you haven't listened to any of those shows. Very interesting shows, because not only could they not play the suite, because that really involved all the guitarists. But as Adam talked about very specifically, there's a lot of songs that really require three guitarists, right? It's not even a question of someone learning Dan's part.
00:49:37
Speaker
it's no these songs are now built for three guitarists and it's really hard to take out that one part and still have a what they feel is a complete song so as a result the set list leaned very heavily on the first two records the first record because Dan wasn't even a member of the band when it was recorded he joined almost immediately after for touring
00:49:59
Speaker
And then the second record, because Emmy was not a full member of the band at that point. So if you go back, most of those songs are still essentially two guitarists on it. And so while Emmy can sort of pick up and add things,
00:50:13
Speaker
they can kind of play around a little bit more so than they can with almost any of the other songs, which at that point, once you get it to this desert life, it's a three guitarist group all the way through. And I thought those shows, so it's interesting. I think the shows, they kind of got better as they went along. I guess that's not surprising because they hadn't rehearsed like that. And didn't they hint that, I guess it's true, that it wasn't like,
00:50:42
Speaker
Dan was sick for a couple days. It was like that they found out right before, right? Like a couple hours before the show. The story that Adam told was that Dan was feeling a little bit under the weather.
00:50:55
Speaker
Well, sorry. Adam tells the story where he walks in and in the dressing room, there's a COVID, a positive COVID test on the table. Adam's like, whose positive COVID test is this? And Dan's like, he's like, who, and finally he finds out Dan's like, Oh, I took a test because I was feeling a little in the weather, but it came out negative. And he's like,
00:51:12
Speaker
You might want to check that one again. And it turns out that Dan apparently was, I guess, it just took a lot of time to see that Dan was positive with COVID. Apparently relatively mild, it sounds like. And we'll just say, by the way, that this was almost exactly one week after I met him, which is pretty interesting. And with the when he was hanging out with his friends. But it's worth saying, though, to not only did they they focus on August and recovering, but they also, of course, did some acoustic
00:51:41
Speaker
Emmy thing, like Blues Run the Game, which was always Adam and Emmy. And Friend of the Devil, I guess, doesn't require Dan either. So yeah. Yeah, they didn't. It wasn't that it was nothing from the later records. There was a couple of things they played. If I could give them all my love on those, they still played Miami. They played Washington Square. I guess they were able to work around it with those. But
00:52:02
Speaker
I mean, if you haven't listened to any of those shows, there's a full video of the Omaha show up on YouTube. You don't want to pay for that. Right. But there's yeah, it's a pretty it's interesting. It's really interesting to hear them because you really can kind of hear the.
00:52:20
Speaker
It's very subtle, but you can hear, especially on again, a song like Richard Manuel or his other songs where like there's a piece missing your ear. It's not so obvious that you're like, wow, you're down a guitar. Um, but you're like, Oh, there's a texture that's missing somewhere in here. I think I noticed it on recovering the satellites.
00:52:40
Speaker
Which is funny cuz it's from back then but but i get you know maybe before me was a full band member but just something the way they play it live. And i think that song actually really benefits by the third guitar from yeah it's become yet the way they play it live it's become such a guitar driven song it always was but i feel like now it's really particularly driven by the guitars.
00:53:00
Speaker
I really like that. I think if you're going to listen to one, I think the Cincinnati show was the best one. Again, not surprising because that was the third one and they had had practice playing those songs. The set lists are all
00:53:12
Speaker
either the same or very, very close. So if you're picking, it's not unreasonable to say, I'm going to pick one and just listen to that one all the way through. If you're not listening to every show, um, that is when they started playing time and time again, that kind of got them back into it. Otherwise, all the other songs they play that they had not been playing regularly were still songs that had been in the list last year. Like Anna begins, they played, um, they played recovering and cat catapult. Um, so there was, um,
00:53:41
Speaker
It was different obviously, but not. The only one that I, and again, it's not like I've looked at every single set list in the last three weeks, but the only, I think, exception is I think I saw High Life on one of them, and that, I don't think they played for a couple years. So I would love to see that live. High Life, I see the thing, the reason why it seems like they pulled that out though, is that they were playing
00:54:05
Speaker
the Miller High Life Theater in Milwaukee. Oh, good call. Okay, so maybe sometimes they do tailor it, yeah. They, according to setlist.fm, they played it twice last year. Okay. And twice in 2021. So it's on the list, but they're definitely at the bottom of the list. Okay, thank you. I didn't know they played it last year at all, so all right. It's hard, it's easy, it's funny, it's with some of those songs that they don't play,
00:54:33
Speaker
If you're, again, if you're not like stalking it, and that's why set list.fm is wonderful because it does, it does remind you of these things. You're like, Oh yeah, they did play it. You know, the one knock I am going to say about there's, I mean, listen, we can talk about, there's definitely some songs that they should throw in there. I mean, I guess I don't mind saying now when you talked about splitting the suites, I guess there's a, my only two really thoughts is that yes, there are, I mean, I love that they brought butterfly and reverse back.
00:54:59
Speaker
I thought, this is so cool that they're playing this. After two years now, I'm like, does it have to be played every show, even if he loves his girlfriend? Part of me thinks you can just rotate it in and out like Anna begins. I also love, love, love holiday in Spain, but sometimes I think that doesn't have to close. In fact, I was going to mention that maybe later when we talk about it. It's been like a decade now of that really closing every show.
00:55:27
Speaker
Yes. But one thing I will say, and I think the way they're playing their concerts now, they're not playing many of their hard songs. Now, I think some of those now, is that also because of the sound? Because the audience, I'm not sure. Are those songs a struggle?
00:55:50
Speaker
for him to sing. As I said, I saw them play 1492 live last year and they hadn't played it in like a decade. And he said, actually mentioned that it was tough for him to sing. Would angels of the silences and have you seen me lately take a lot out of him? And maybe that's why he doesn't do it. I'm not sure.
00:56:07
Speaker
Yeah, you could argue that the hardest song that they play now is catapult and that's almost it, right? I'm gonna you know, is round here almost their second hardest song Yeah, I mean you can hear it's actually interesting listening to him kind of every night because I saw some comments somewhere about feeling like Adam wasn't pushing the vocals and I could kind of hear what they were saying on that show and then the next night I listened it was like
00:56:28
Speaker
Well, he's kind of pushing harder this one. Maybe he just was having a bad night, but I'm with you. I do think there's, I think part of what happened maybe is that we are still, in a sense, coming out of COVID. It's hard to remember that, again, they didn't play for two plus years and you got to think they ramped up to
00:56:48
Speaker
start playing in the fall of 2021.
Post-COVID Performance Quality
00:56:51
Speaker
And I think kind of notably, Adam talked about that at the time of like, it was harder to ramp up than he remembered. He was like, wow, it was harder than I thought to get back to this. I thought some of these songs were in my bones and they weren't there. So I think that's part of it maybe is that there's still kind of
00:57:10
Speaker
adding stuff back a little bit. And yeah, maybe they pick some of the easier songs as they were coming back and they just kind of haven't gone back. I would really, I would like to see them revisit, recovering the satellites. They've talked a little bit about maybe doing like an expanded edition of that record, which maybe that would, because I really love a lot of those songs. I also think I was thinking about this, that a lot of, and I'll talk, talk way more about this on like an episode about the show.
00:57:38
Speaker
All those songs are about disconnection and feeling disoriented, which, man, I mean, don't we all feel that way after the last three years? I was thinking about like, have you seen me lately? And I was like, man, have we all seen each other lately? Or even dislocation from somewhere under Wonderland. So I guess I'm thinking that those...
00:57:59
Speaker
Right that none of that most of somewhere under Wonderland is kind of harder guitar driven rock and certainly the first half of set of all the Saturday nights portion Right like insignificant or hanging tree. I guess there's part of me I know they're probably tough to sing but there's just part of me that thinks and you said recovering satellites I'd like to see maybe one or two more
00:58:19
Speaker
quote unquote harder songs. But besides that, I'm actually fairly happy with their setlist. And you have to think for, you know, what percent of that audience either doesn't know Crows that well, only knows them or bought just their major albums. And they do want to play Mr. Jones around here. And I guess the logic is to
00:58:41
Speaker
If you that Adam's thinking, hey, if I play five of my seven most popular hits, right, that then I can put the suite in. That's the trade off. That's a fair point. That may be part of it, too, is if I'm putting the suite in, I should also give them Mr. Jones. Right. If I'm if I'm playing 20 minutes straight of new material, I'm going to make sure to give them.
00:59:04
Speaker
the other hits. Right, because even people that have all of their LPs might not have bought the suite, for instance. And I also think there's a little bit of like, again, I think about the COVID, the coming out of COVID mindset of like, look, these people were brave, like, in 2021, still braving it a little bit, right? Coming out to a concert.
00:59:22
Speaker
I don't want to disappoint anyone by not playing Mr. Jones, right? Like, I don't want anyone to be like, I wore a mask and I dealt with all these difficult things and I didn't, I came to a show when I didn't hear Mr. Jones and that sucks. It's like, no, let's give, let's give that to them. Um, although speaking of, you know, uh, braving it and being in like a smaller clubs, uh, we, although one thing I want to say before we get to, before I want to get to yours,
00:59:45
Speaker
I do kind of wish they'd done a couple more Adam and Emmy songs when they had the opportunity. I always kind of liked the two of them as a duo. I know they blues won the game. It would have been nice if they'd done, they could have done one or two more. They could have done a couple of interesting little things there. Missed opportunity in my mind. Oh, do you mean when Dan was out? When Dan was out. I think it would have been cool to be like, hey, we're going to play like a duo version of any, really name a song. We're going to play it like a duo version of,
01:00:12
Speaker
Around here or something or whatever just just because they've done shows like that Or you know, they've done With the suite, right? They did like elevator boots. I think just the two of them like yes We're gonna play elevator boots just the two of us now. Okay, that would have been cool. Anyway, and as much as I love Dan, I mean he's so vital to the kind of crows I had this big smile on my face face when
01:00:38
Speaker
Bryson was getting a lot of focus on those couple shows and just even them joking about it, right? Like they're on the, on one show, Adam was like teasing that even before Dan was sick, Bryson was writing me, and I love that they call him Bryson, he just cracked me up. Bryson was writing me and saying, play more August songs. And he's like, that's because Bryson, that's because Bryson just wants to lead and solo more songs. It just cracked me up. And I was enjoying seeing him as a change of pace on the, I can get,
01:01:09
Speaker
I know we have to move on, but that's fine just because it's so unique to talk about, but it got me thinking. Dan is so vital to their sound, and I would argue he is their true lead guitar player, even though Immy does a lot of solos and maybe writes more music now and all that kind of stuff. But it did get me thinking, who's not replaying, but
01:01:33
Speaker
You know, for example, I like Charlie a lot. If Charlie was sick, could they actually still play? Could they actually play?
01:01:42
Speaker
You know what? That would be a hard way. That's right. And people won't think of it. They're like, oh, you can display guitars and drums and bass. But not really. Charlie's so vital to so many songs. Of course, you need the drums unless you're going to have an entire acoustic show. But that's the thing. I think without the drums, you could go all acoustic with Charlie on piano. And because they've done like somewhat when they did some of the the secret shows for the Outlaw Roadshow, the lineup was
01:02:12
Speaker
Adam, Emmy, Dan, and Charlie. They have sets that are that four piece. So if you were missing Millard or Jim, and you were like, we've got to basically go kind of full acoustic, again,
01:02:31
Speaker
they don't use that all the time but they've got they've got enough in their pocket that they could be like we could work up a full show like that i yeah they know you're right i think charlie is really the hardest one i think he's the mvp except for adam of course you need adam singing unless they're gonna play an instrumental yeah the guitars well and they think about the guitars right it's not that they're not great it's just that there's three of them yes
01:02:53
Speaker
Exactly. And right, you have three, so you could survive with two guitar, right? A lot of bands have one or two. So okay, do you want to, just because you know a lot about it, I think this is a perfect time before we get into our Hollywood shows.
01:03:07
Speaker
Do you want to mention about NUGS and this?
Music Streaming and Episode Conclusion
01:03:11
Speaker
Oh, we should, yes. Because you said you subscribe. Yeah, please. So NUGS.net, it's a live music website. You can purchase shows on there, but they also have a streaming service.
01:03:24
Speaker
In 2021, the Crows have sold MP3s of shows through there for a very, very long time. On and off. They did it in 2008. They've done it. They did some archive stuff with them, and then they did it 2014 through 18.
01:03:39
Speaker
They did it again in 2021, but NUGS now has a subscription service that the Crows are on. I think it's $10 a month for NUGS. I think I'm still on a promo thing from a while ago when the Crows went on and were becoming part of the streaming service. I think I paid X for a year and they've kept rolling that over.
01:04:01
Speaker
Um, but you can listen to write this tour. Um, 2021, they skipped last year and now this tour, you can listen to every night on nugs. And so, and it's the, generally the shows go up the day after, which is actually better in the past. They've been a little bit inconsistent about when the shows go up. They've been pretty consistent about getting them up the day after on this tour. Um, so if you want to follow along on the tour, you can, the sound quality is really, really good. Um, they're mixing.
01:04:29
Speaker
They've been doing a little better job. If you go back to the 2008 versions, you'll hear how kind of dead silent it is when Adam goes to offer the crowd the singing in Omaha. And they've done a better job with mixing now, where you can at least kind of hear that there's some crowd there. But they're all sound boards. They all sound clean. I like now, especially again, I talked about, I like my way to work. I'll put on the show and I'll notice what did they play last night? Where does it seem like there was some banter and listen to what Adam's been talking about that night?
01:05:00
Speaker
hey, they played Come Around last night. I love that song. I do love that song. They've played that a few times. I saw that. That one's always a pop. I was hoping they'd play that last night, but they played that on the other night. I love that. I'll just say briefly, that song always makes me think of an X, the end part about... You've seen what you...
01:05:24
Speaker
She says all the things, one of the million lies she said is all the things you love are dead, but I've seen what she thinks is love, and it leaves me laughing. That is a very, very good line. Very, very good line, and always makes me think of someone. Yeah, but I recommend, and Nuggs is great. Again, if you love other live music, there's a lot of other acts on there too, if you're a Bruce Springsteen fan or a Grateful Dead and Dead and Code fan.
01:05:48
Speaker
do you like fish if you like um there's a lot of different people on there the almond brothers you could go there's a lot of different like significant amounts of live music on there right it's not just you pay your subscription just for crows you're getting but you could also that's the other thing it used to be it's like ten dollars a show for mp3s if you're like look
01:06:08
Speaker
I wanna maybe just buy the one show, but I wanna listen. You could subscribe during the Crows tour, knock out all these shows as you're going along, and then unsubscribe until the next tour. That was also an option, so. Yeah, I did buy, as you said, I actually saw them in 2008, and I did buy that show. I'm not sure I still have it, but yeah. But now it's there on NUGS. It's streaming right there.
01:06:29
Speaker
So that wraps up this episode of Sullivan Street where we talked about the Banshee Tour in general and the Banshee Long Island show review. On the next episode, it's our Hollywood episode where Eric talks about his visit to Hollywood to see the Troubadour Banshee kickoff show. And we also look at the 1994 Whiskey A Go-Go Counting Crow's show that was also in Hollywood. That's all in the next episode of Sullivan Street.
01:06:59
Speaker
I believe.