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Daily Arsenal - S1-E114 : Most Hated Arsenal XI
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It's Monday on the Daily Arsenal Podcast, and with no game to review, and nothing upcoming until the weekend, the boys thought they'd bring you something, well a little different! Join the Josh's and Craig as they discuss, the most HATED Arsenal players of all time, and make an ultimate XI of them!
Host : Josh Vince
Guests : Joshua Duncan, Craig Matthews
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Introduction & Special Episode Announcement
00:00:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello, hello, hello and welcome to the Daily Arsenal Podcast, brought to you as part of the Global Sports Podcast Network. It's Monday, but there's no game to review. It's been quite a quiet few days for Arsenal, quite blissfully, because there's been some really weird chaotic games going on.
00:00:25
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especially in the FA Cup. So without a game to review or anything to really look forward to until the weekend, we thought we'd bring you something special. And when I asked around for ideas of a special episode, our very own Joshua Duncan came up with a particularly Joshua Duncan suggestion. He wanted to make a most hated 11. That is, the most hated players from every position making the most despised team on the planet. So we thought, why the
Introducing Guests and Episode Theme
00:00:53
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hell not? That could be a good old laugh.
00:00:55
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So, here to do it, I'm your host, Josh Vince. I am joined by Joshua Duncan himself and Craig Matthews. Gents, welcome to the show today. Josh, what inspired this for you? What gave you the thought to come up with the most hated 11?
00:01:12
Josh D
Um, I don't know. I just, I think, I think we've got quite a few we can pick from. We've had, you know, some of our players departing. They have made, made, you know, made a memorable departure, you know, um, I'm not going to say any names now, but, um, yeah. So I just thought we needed an idea since we out of, um, you know, two cups and, um, yeah, it's just given an idea.
00:01:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
No, I love it. I love it. and I feel like the thing is we we make a big deal of it. of Josh, you know, being sort of like very angry all the time. He's actually a delightfully.
00:01:39
Josh D
ah
00:01:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's a delightfully happy, nice human being. But it is quite on brand for him to come up with this idea, I thought.
00:01:46
Josh D
yeah
00:01:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
And Craig, how are you feeling about spitting football as names out of your mouth and hatred for half an hour?
00:01:46
Craig matthews
thank
00:01:53
Josh D
Yeah.
00:01:53
Craig matthews
I love it.
00:01:55
Josh D
Yeah.
00:01:55
Craig matthews
It'll be fun.
00:01:56
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah
00:01:57
Josh D
Yeah.
00:01:59
Craig matthews
Some of them we love to death and some of them just betrayed us so much that we had some ultimate hatred for them. So, their choice, isn't it?
Goalkeeper Debate: Jens Lehmann
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Let's put it this way. If you enjoy pettiness and angry men, you've come to the right place. So we're going to do it as we do every Ultimate 11.
00:02:14
Craig matthews
but
00:02:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
We're going to start with the goalkeeper position. Now, Josh, it was your idea, your inspiration. Have you got a name for a most hated goalkeeper?
00:02:26
Josh D
And for this, this, this position, I kind of struggled because there's no one I really, really hate. And no one asked for that. I don't think we hate, but I have to pick layman. There's a certain about him. I don't like him.
00:02:36
Craig matthews
so
00:02:37
Josh D
You know, you know, like the, the end part of layman, he made loads of mistakes and yeah, he's not really hated, but I had to pick somebody. So from, this is a personal opinion for me.
00:02:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay.
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Josh D
Yeah. He's got to be out there.
00:02:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, so you're you're looking at Jens Lehmann there.
Defensive Line Controversies
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Okay, ah Craig, we were talking about this before the pod.
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Josh D
Yeah.
00:02:53
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Who are you picking Craig?
00:02:55
Craig matthews
Amen. Amen. Amen.
00:02:58
Josh D
yeah
00:02:59
Craig matthews
Amen.
00:03:02
Craig matthews
I'll give my reason why. The champion did fine with his Barcelona. He had one job to do. He saved that ability shot and he let it go through him. I'll never forgive him for that shot. He could have saved him, man. He should have saved that shot.
00:03:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
i I do have to agree, with Josh, that laymen did get more, you know, accident-prone as time went on. But ultimately, let's be real, right? let Let's be honest. Almunia was a nightmare. He was a mess of a player. So, Almunia, goalkeeper. That's easy. that's easy we're We're agreeing straight out of that. I like that. I like that. It's all good. Now, we're going to go across the line now. Craig, right back. Right back.
00:03:45
Josh D
I struggle with this one.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm hmm.
00:03:47
Craig matthews
Right back.
00:03:50
Craig matthews
Even though I liked him at the club, the fans blew him off one game. He got sobbed on, then he got sobbed off.
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Craig matthews
If you remember that player, a man called Bue, he got Dogen.
00:04:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, at the way.
00:04:07
Craig matthews
he got absolutely I don't hate him but the way the fans abused him after they gave he made him I think he came on as a sob and he got sobbed back off so he's only like a sinkhole or maybe hold on maybe
00:04:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
Do you think Cedric was hated or do you think he just didn't play?
00:04:30
Josh D
He's just rubbish. He's just rubbish.
00:04:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Exactly! yeah What about you, Josh?
00:04:33
Josh D
Yeah, he's just rubbish.
00:04:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Where did what did your mind sort of leap with this one?
00:04:39
Josh D
Um, again, I was getting confused because ah I wanted to put someone that was rubbish there. So I, if it was my personal opinion, I'd have put Justin Hoyt there, you know, but he wasn't really hated.
00:04:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, of course, yeah.
00:04:50
Josh D
You know, he's not someone that's hated my arse offense. He's just rubbish. So I have to go boo-ay. I mean, that one game, you know, you've got booed off, you know what I mean? It's, it's, yeah he's a nice guy, you know, and you know, he had that horrible divorce with his wife.
00:05:05
Josh D
Um, I'm not going to get into that.
00:05:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah that was brutal jesus
00:05:07
Josh D
Yeah.
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Craig matthews
Yeah.
00:05:09
Josh D
You guys are cruel, man. You're not laughing.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
I know, it was brutal. We all burst it into laughter. It was horrible.
00:05:16
Josh D
but
00:05:16
Craig matthews
ah
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But I think i think you're right. If there is a moat, the thing is Arsenal, obviously Arsenal fans, we have a reputation for, you know, managers out, players out, everything like that.
00:05:26
Josh D
Yeah.
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Global Sports Podcast Network
We've got a bit of reputation for that. But when it comes to players, we don't hate them as much necessarily.
00:05:35
Josh D
yeah
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Global Sports Podcast Network
But if you're a player who gets booed off in a game, I think you immediately earn a place.
00:05:40
Josh D
Yeah.
00:05:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
in this start in 11 which brings us to the centre backs and there's there's one name that springs to mind not hated by Arsenal fans but hated by fans from across north London would you think about putting him in there for that reasoning I'm talking about Sol Campbell as a as a hated footballer that's the not as by Arsenal fans but he was a hated footballer that's true
00:05:41
Craig matthews
Yeah.
00:05:42
Josh D
Yeah.
00:05:58
Craig matthews
No.
00:06:01
Josh D
no way.
00:06:02
Craig matthews
No, no.
00:06:02
Josh D
No.
00:06:08
Josh D
Only Tottenham fans hate him.
00:06:08
Craig matthews
i yeah um
00:06:13
Craig matthews
I think I think I think another different I'll put in there that's been hated by either London bicycle, it doesn't have to be known them called William Gallas. He was hated by Arsenal fans. William Gallas.
00:06:23
Josh D
He's on my list.
00:06:23
Craig matthews
um William Gallas.
00:06:24
Josh D
He's on my list.
00:06:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
He was, he was absolutely despised when he had got acid.
00:06:28
Craig matthews
William Gallas, obviously. I think William Gallas, because he moved from Chelsea to Arsenal, then he He did the London, he did along the London rounds, like.
00:06:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's just a turncoat. Just a pure amount of turncoat was Gala.
00:06:39
Craig matthews
Yeah.
00:06:39
Josh D
Yeah, yeah.
00:06:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, Josh, your eyes lit up when he said the words William Gallas.
00:06:44
Josh D
Yeah, he was, he's probably, he's, yeah, he was on my list a hundred percent. Send it back. I think it speaks for itself.
00:06:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Thing is, there's a lot of centre backs that we've had that are pretty crap recently, but it's the question of, do we hate them?
00:06:56
Josh D
Yeah.
00:06:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
Now, there's one that I would throw out that I think I certainly do not like. I wouldn't necessarily go as far as to say I hate him, but I definitely don't like him. And that'll be longer, shall we?
00:07:07
Craig matthews
Yes, I agree.
00:07:08
Josh D
You my second choice?
00:07:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes! Because the disrespect with the way that man walked out of the club, my word,
00:07:12
Craig matthews
i agree
00:07:15
Craig matthews
I agree.
00:07:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
but Like, it was out of order, mate, wouldn't it, Josh?
00:07:18
Josh D
Yeah.
00:07:22
Josh D
Yeah, but I think he had an agreement with the club to leave earlier. I think they didn't honor it. I think that's why he did it. But, you know, to to take the shirt off like that. And, you know, I mean, you're not like, where did he go to?
00:07:34
Josh D
Bode?
00:07:34
Craig matthews
Boda, boda, boda, boda.
00:07:35
Josh D
Bodo?
00:07:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
What up? Yeah.
00:07:36
Josh D
Bodo? Yeah, like he couldn mean he met he was Arsenal captain. He messed up his he was he was kind of a legend in the club, little bit.
00:07:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm.
00:07:43
Josh D
You know, he was a guy I thought he was I thought was a bit unlucky. You know, I think you've had another set about partnership, not a partner that was better than my side. I think it'd been all right. um and then he was a captain he knew and to do that as yeah I was also captain now you're bang on water my book
00:07:58
Global Sports Podcast Network
Isn't it mad how of the two of those players, Murtasaka has become the legend at the club now? One of our key administrators in charge of the youth program, everybody loves him. It's big pair and it's not Laurent.
00:08:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah so i mean ah Craig, are you sold on Cosione as well?
00:08:18
Craig matthews
There was him and his Mustafi, but often kashone, it went
00:08:22
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but
00:08:23
Craig matthews
The way how he left Arsenal was wrong, man. Like, they left him on better terms, so I'll say... A little more stuff, he scored against Tottenham a couple of times, so I'll give him a little bligh there. A little bligh. Not too much of a little bligh, but I think Cashelny, yeah. I agree with Cashelny, man.
00:08:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, let me just put one more in there, just just just to spice things up ever so slightly, like because people did hate him. Sebastian Scolacci.
00:08:47
Craig matthews
Oh, yeah.
00:08:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
Poor man.
00:08:49
Josh D
Yeah, yeah, but he was just more rubbish.
00:08:49
Craig matthews
Him. Him.
00:08:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
But, yeah, it was more rubbish, to be fair.
00:08:53
Craig matthews
but
00:08:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
So we'll stick with Cachelle me, because I think that's a very, very solid shout. Now, gents, who would we put at left back? Who could it be?
00:09:07
Craig matthews
After the call.
00:09:08
Josh D
Yeah, yeah.
00:09:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Ah, now I was going to go, I was going to, you know, cliche or something. No, of course it's Ashty Col. There isn't, there isn't a debate really, is there? Have you seen Josh recently, the thing that he did, I think it was on, was it on the Peter Crouch podcast?
00:09:18
Josh D
yeah
00:09:23
Craig matthews
Yeah, if you can't find out.
00:09:23
Josh D
Yeah, yeah, i didn't say yeah.
00:09:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. What did you make of that? Because effectively what he was saying was, I can't even remember exactly, but he was saying it was the club who caused the problems and that he would just responded as any other person would do.
00:09:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
It was something along those lines, wasn't it?
00:09:38
Josh D
Yeah, I think I think they didn't honor the agreement. They had some someone on them lines. And I still like to go to Chelsea, you know, and especially when we're in our transitioning period as well, we're moving to the Emirates, you know, we're not, we'd have the best season that season as well.
00:09:55
Josh D
I think we finished fourth and we just come out the Champions League final. Yeah, I think the way he did it, I did it behind closed doors, me not with Reno secretly. You know, you still do those things as a football player, you know what I mean?
00:10:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, it was it was sly, I think, wasn't it?
00:10:08
Josh D
Yeah, it was.
00:10:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
That was the that was the main thing with Ashley Cole is it was sly. I mean, it's one of my earliest memories, genuinely, is being in my granddad's living room and seeing the paper with Ashley Cole in a Chelsea shirt on his back and just being like, and not fully understanding what was going on, but just being like, there's something wrong with this picture.
00:10:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
What is it? What is it exactly? Right, that's it for our first section. We have our first five players of the Arsenal's most hated lineup. It is Manuel Almenia in goal, Emmanuel Ebuwe, Lauren Kochelny, William Gallas and Ashley Cole. Join us after the break when we talk about something that could, it could send real fireworks out the midfield. We'll be back just after this break.
Midfielders Under Fire
00:11:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
and welcome back to the daily arsenal podcast we are discussing the most hated arsenal 11 we've got quite a team so far quite a um arguably well despised squad so next up craig we are in the midfield we're kind we're of going for a 4 3 3 but if we feel like moving it we'll move it wherever we fancy craig starting off with the midfield who would you like to submit for the most hated arsenal 11
00:11:51
Craig matthews
He was our captain, man. And the way he left, but he they went to Chelsea afterwards. I don't know, man. He did get booed when he first came back to Emirates.
00:12:02
Craig matthews
I don't know, that's a very divided opinion. I could think of another one. He could play certain. I think Samia Nasri.
00:12:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, okay.
00:12:15
Craig matthews
Samia Nasri, yeah.
00:12:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
So, I would be more inclined to agree with you on Sami and Nazry, the zest Fabregas, personally.
00:12:21
Josh D
Yeah.
00:12:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
What about you, Josh?
00:12:23
Craig matthews
Yeah.
00:12:24
Josh D
Yeah, so um I had Nazry on my list here. um I was swinging on Fabricus, but I didn't really hate him because we had that um that buy option that we could buy back from first and last didn't trigger it. So it's not really his fault. You know, just he just went to the next available team, you know, so.
00:12:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, exactly. And you know, he Samir Nasri, he left for City, you know, where a lot of, realistically, we could probably have argued Gail Cliche a little bit as well on sort of like the left back.
00:12:52
Josh D
Yeah.
00:12:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
But I mean, Ashley Cole was the obvious one, but those players who left to go to City and went on and did those things with that team, and effectively, originally, just going out for the money. Like, I think there's a lot of animosity held on for that.
00:13:04
Josh D
Yeah.
00:13:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
Whereas we sold Fabregas to Barcelona because he was a Catalan lad. you know And it' was kind of it was more of, I think, with Fabregas A, you've been amazing for us.
00:13:11
Craig matthews
Hmm.
00:13:11
Josh D
Yeah.
00:13:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
We wish you would stay, but go and do what you want to do. Because every it was an open secret. He wanted to go back to Barcelona at some point, wasn't it?
00:13:24
Josh D
Yeah. Yeah.
00:13:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
So I think that's where sort of like the the resentment possibly ebbs off. What about you, Josh? So we've got Sami and Azri then. Any other suggestions for midfield?
00:13:35
Josh D
um He doesn't really play center mid.
00:13:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, midfield.
00:13:39
Josh D
I Midford.
00:13:40
Global Sports Podcast Network
Midfield. We'll just call it midfield, yeah.
00:13:42
Josh D
yeah I'd probably say... I'd probably say Sanchez.
00:13:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
Ooh, I was thinking about Alexis Sanchez.
00:13:49
Josh D
I'd probably say Sanchez.
00:13:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
Okay, give us your reasoning.
00:13:53
Josh D
yeah I guess, i don't get me wrong. I think in the time, you know, he wanted to win games, but he did upset the dressing room a lot when he, in his last season with Arsenal.
00:14:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm.
00:14:03
Josh D
And, um, yeah, he just, just a bit of, I can't say the word I wanted to say. He's just a bit of a, I don't know what to say now. He's just a bit, he's a bit confused.
00:14:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
but
00:14:12
Josh D
That's a nice way of putting it.
00:14:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
yes yeah yeah yeah yeah he uh he was a little bit all over the place yeah yeah and he definitely he wasn't unsettling presence wasn't he um what do you guys think to the suggestion of granite jaka because exactly
00:14:18
Josh D
Yeah.
00:14:23
Josh D
Yeah. yeah
00:14:28
Josh D
Oh, yeah, it does.
00:14:28
Craig matthews
that divide opinion because he was a captain and then he then got subbed off by, was it Emery? Emery was the manager at the time and he threw his arm band in the air and he started swearing at the fans and the fans turned against him.
00:14:39
Josh D
Yeah.
00:14:45
Craig matthews
But I think Artetto, when he came into the park, came to manage with Hannah, he kind of restored his love for the club but he kind of played outstanding to the end of this time at the club.
00:14:56
Craig matthews
Some art supplies still have to hold a lot of resentment towards him. I think it's what he did that time. So, yeah.
00:15:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
that's why I ask because he is a contentious figure because i mean if I'm not mistaken it was only four or five games that he'd been captained that he swore at the fans and then effectively Emory came out and said he'll never play for the club again
00:15:15
Josh D
Yeah, yeah.
00:15:15
Craig matthews
Yeah.
00:15:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
But then, obviously, Artetto has this whole... ah Effectively, he he reinvents him and brings him into becoming one of our most important players the season before he left, and then he went on to go win a league with Bayern Leverkusen. So would you say then, Josh, he wouldn't class as hated, or do you think he's arguably in there?
00:15:39
Josh D
um For me personally, I hate him quite a bit to be fair.
00:15:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm-hmm, I can see that.
00:15:43
Josh D
I think Yeah, I, you know, we, we struggle with this caffeine. Guess what? Maybe, maybe two seasons out of our pre-decent, you know, um, and then throwing the friend of captain on band. That's, that's disrespectful, man. You know what I mean? i know you And you know, people pay, you know, a ticket, we we, we discussed it last, um, podcast ticket prices are quite high, you know, and you're paying, you're paying badly. You know, you get booed off. That's just, that's part of the game. As long as no one's been abusive or, you know, like Kurt and his family and anything like that.
00:16:13
Josh D
you take it on the chin, you know, if anything, do better, you know, that's it. So him to throw the Captain Arm bands, bang out of order, you know what, i you know what, he did change opinions, but I'll put him there too, actually.
00:16:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
hmm just about say Josh I think you've talked yourself into it
00:16:26
Craig matthews
to
00:16:29
Josh D
Yeah, I'll say goodbye. I remember watching the game, I'll get annoyed, and I'm just like, I remember watching, I was like, what's wrong with this guy?
00:16:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
you
00:16:35
Josh D
I'm like, yeah, he's in there, he's in there to me.
00:16:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
I've never watched the person argue themselves into something more than josh just argued himself into that belief system. um and I only ever have one other name suggestion.
00:16:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'd love to know if you two have any others as well.
00:16:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Gendouzi was not a popular man at the Emirates.
00:16:54
Craig matthews
Hmm.
00:16:56
Josh D
Mmm.
00:16:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
Matteo Gendouzi, I mean, he wasn't there long. So I'm not sure if you could argue he is properly hated, but he was not a popular man when it came to the fans, was it great?
00:17:06
Craig matthews
nah not really nah i think i think the incident happened when he got into a fight with our mope at Brighton and i think he got into an argument with our tester after that it i think our tester had enough and got rid of him so well there's another one i think we forgot about Alex on the way how he left Boston to let the boss learn now
00:17:25
Josh D
Oh, yeah.
00:17:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
oh Oh, yeah.
00:17:26
Josh D
Yeah, for that money. Yeah. Yeah.
00:17:28
Craig matthews
that There's him, there's him, and it's a and there's Leb as well, the way I left off.
00:17:32
Josh D
Yeah. Hello. Yeah.
00:17:33
Craig matthews
Leb was our best player, our best center mid at the time, and he went to Barcelona.
00:17:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:17:39
Craig matthews
There's a lot of them that I can remember from that era.
00:17:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
The problem with Cleb and Song is that I've kind of, I've pushed that memory into the back of my mind. I'm trying to forget it because they gave us so many beautiful moments, but you are you are right.
00:17:52
Craig matthews
Yeah.
00:17:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh God, Leb, I loved Leb so much when he was an Arsenal player too.
00:17:59
Josh D
Yeah.
00:17:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
so ah I don't blame Flemini as much because he had the two stints at the club, I think that was...
00:17:59
Craig matthews
quite flamingy as well when he left on the free to go AC Milan.
00:18:03
Josh D
Nah, he's in.
00:18:04
Craig matthews
He did come back in the end, but he's another one at the free time.
00:18:11
Craig matthews
Yeah.
00:18:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
I don't hate him for that necessarily. So at the moment we have Granit, Jacques, Sami and Nazary and Alexis Sanchez, but those are some good names thrown out. ah Do you think any of those that Craig mentioned have an argument to be put in?
00:18:23
Josh D
Um, yeah, Alex on does, and, and he'll have to do as well. Um, but the only thing is with lab, he did, he did say he regretted leaving us at the time.
00:18:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
see Yeah.
00:18:33
Josh D
So that for me gives him a little blige. And I think song did the same thing. And he kind of explained that like, look, man, you know, the money, you know, he has a poor family and look, people have to feed. So he gave him a bit of a sob story and you'd be like, all right, fair enough.
00:18:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:18:46
Josh D
You know, at the end of the day, you still got families. I don't know what your personal life is. And if you need to make that bad, you know, so, um, They just don't make it just for me.
00:18:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
just about yeah i think i think they left us with so many good memories as well and they were so good like samin asri was good but he was never at the level that those two were at and he left with more of a stink
00:18:56
Craig matthews
Yeah.
00:18:59
Craig matthews
Definitely. Yeah.
00:19:06
Josh D
Yeah. Yeah, he did.
00:19:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
So I think he he deserves to be in there, rightfully. To hell with you, Samir. We don't want your apologies. Stay in Manchester. Right.
Forwards: Celebrations and Betrayals
00:19:18
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That is it for the midfielders.
00:19:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
When we come back, it's time to talk forwards. And I think there's one that will probably say right at the beginning and have one of the positions done without needing another word.
00:19:29
Craig matthews
Yeah.
00:19:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
So we'll be back just after this break.
00:20:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
And welcome back to the Daily Arsenal Podcast. We have been discussing the most hated Arsenal 11. So far, we have quite a squad and we're going to we're goingnna give you the whole list when we finish these last three positions, which are the forward positions.
00:20:24
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Now, gentlemen, does anybody have a name that they would like to throw forward? Who might be a hated Arsenal X forward?
00:20:33
Craig matthews
I got two.
00:20:35
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Uh... Yukta!
00:20:37
Josh D
I got two, I got two.
00:20:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Let's go for one of yours first, Craig. Who have who have you got, Craig?
00:20:43
Craig matthews
Amano Adebayo.
00:20:45
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There we go, there we go.
00:20:46
Josh D
Yeah, yeah.
00:20:48
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Is there, this is, well actually we'll probably come to this about what I want you to think about, about all of these players, who is the most hated of this list?
00:20:59
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Because I think that that man has a strong case to be it.
00:20:59
Craig matthews
I.
00:21:04
Craig matthews
He does, does.
00:21:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah they When you run the entire length of the pitch to celebrate scoring a goal against your own team, it doesn't get forgotten easy, does it Craig?
00:21:18
Craig matthews
No, but he said he said he said in the interview that there were business moment that could say a horrible thing about moment that so I'm not making excuses for him, but.
00:21:30
Craig matthews
The way I left Arsenal was not handled right. He he said that Arsenal got rid of him. They didn't win him at the club anymore. I sold him, but he should have been more respectful. Arsenal gave him a chance in the Premier League.
00:21:41
Craig matthews
No other man at the club went for him when he went and bought him. He bought him quite cheap. I remember seven men paid for him from Monaco.
00:21:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm.
00:21:48
Craig matthews
He didn't do well on his first season i think because it's when Henry left, it's when he started to score a lot of goals for us. If you remember correctly, he was a very slow spoter, but then he started becoming good and then we just sold him and it was very good for us and them. Yeah.
00:22:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, that was back in the day when we sold all our good players rather than hanging on to them. i I remember those years incredibly not fondly.
00:22:07
Craig matthews
Yeah.
00:22:09
Josh D
no Yeah.
00:22:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, the thing is, he he did come out, it's true, and said that he was being abused a lot. um Obviously not pleasant, no one should be abused at their place of work, but you listen to any football pitch and any football set of fans, abuse is something that happens constantly.
00:22:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
And he's the only reaction I've ever seen like that. Like that. So, Emmanuel had the biore. I thought he was going to be the first name mentioned. He goes straight in to the final 11.
00:22:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Josh, you said you had a couple. Who else have you got for us, my man?
00:22:43
Josh D
just to add on Anambayor as well.
00:22:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh, God.
00:22:45
Josh D
He did play for Tottenham. He did play for Tottenham.
00:22:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Exactly.
00:22:47
Josh D
That for me, that's what put me in there.
00:22:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
Exactly.
00:22:50
Josh D
I did feel sorry for my little sob story and things there. Maybe they'll go play for Tottenham. It's not like Tottenham are a good team.
00:22:55
Craig matthews
Hmm.
00:22:57
Josh D
Do you know what I mean? Like, why would you go play for them?
00:22:57
Global Sports Podcast Network
He wasn't going to win anything with them, was he?
00:22:59
Josh D
Yeah.
00:22:59
Craig matthews
Hmm.
00:22:59
Josh D
Yeah. That for me, he bang on there.
00:23:01
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Oh, by the way, before we get started, sorry, before you get started, Josh, we're recording at quarter to 10 on Sunday evening. This comes out to- tomorrow. By the time this comes out, Will and Foster Coggloo still have a job at Tottenham Hotspur?
00:23:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
Because they got knocked out of the FA Cup.
00:23:15
Josh D
i'll
00:23:18
Josh D
ah but you know what yeah I keep saying every week this guy's gonna get sacked and he doesn't so I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I think he's gonna get sacked but he's probably gonna keep his job
00:23:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
Every time.
00:23:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, you probably will. It will definitely. Anyway, sorry to interrupt. What was your choice, Josh?
00:23:34
Josh D
um this guy right was always injured right and he gave us two full seasons where he got a couple goals and we we we literally carried this guy right and he left you know it's Van Persie all vampaging whatever you want to call him that guy yeah that one really hurt me because i was like i you know he was like he was like our next honoree at one point he was loved by everybody you know and then he just left unless it's your night it's like come on man
00:23:49
Craig matthews
Yeah,
00:24:02
Josh D
You know, Michael United.
00:24:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
And what did he do as soon as he joined United?
00:24:03
Craig matthews
Score against us.
00:24:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
What does he do?
00:24:08
Josh D
Yeah.
00:24:09
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And wins the league. like And top goal scorer.
00:24:10
Josh D
Yeah.
00:24:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
He is the ultimate why on earth did we let him go? How much was it we let him go for again? It was not much.
00:24:19
Craig matthews
20 million or something?
00:24:19
Josh D
Like 16. Yes, it wasn't law.
00:24:21
Craig matthews
20, 25 million I think it was at the time.
00:24:24
Global Sports Podcast Network
Something along those lines. Well, it was less than the Alex Oxford Chamberlain fee. We know that much.
00:24:28
Craig matthews
Yeah.
00:24:29
Josh D
I think it was like 16 or 18 something like that.
00:24:31
Craig matthews
I thought
00:24:31
Josh D
It was, it was very low. It was very low.
00:24:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Right. Hang on. We're going to RVP sale price to menu.
00:24:35
Craig matthews
it was 20 million you went forward on.
00:24:39
Global Sports Podcast Network
Right. Let's find out very quickly. 24 million pounds.
00:24:42
Josh D
24 million.
00:24:43
Craig matthews
Wow.
00:24:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yep.
00:24:44
Josh D
Wow.
00:24:44
Craig matthews
That was close. Yeah.
00:24:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
Signed a four year deal. Said it's an honor to play for a club like Manchester United. He was an arsenal. How day.
00:24:54
Josh D
Yeah.
00:24:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
How day.
00:24:57
Josh D
I think what was funny about it as well, I think afterwards, um I read Wengar's book, um after he's still at United, he wanted to come back to Arsenal. And Wengar was just like...
00:25:08
Josh D
And Wengar was just like, you're too old and we we would we explore different options. And I'm like, yes, well done.
00:25:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. That is correct. That's the correct thing for him to do. I mean, it it was the ultimate middle finger for him to do that well there, wasn't it? It just wasn't on.
00:25:25
Josh D
Yeah.
00:25:25
Craig matthews
Yeah.
00:25:26
Josh D
Yeah.
00:25:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Which means there's one forward spot left. ah This is one that I struggled a little bit more with.
00:25:32
Josh D
Yeah.
00:25:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
I had a couple of thoughts, maybe. Marouane Shamak, he was not ah particularly liked. Raheem Sterling has been pretty hated in his short stint. ah I do have another one.
00:25:46
Global Sports Podcast Network
and Craig, I'd love to get your opinion on this. Kai Havert.
00:25:51
Josh D
God.
00:25:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Did you have any other names, Craig, that you want to sort of throw into the forwards list?
00:25:59
Craig matthews
I would say Oxlade, Chamberlain, the way he left last was the Arsenal to Liverpool. I would say him.
00:26:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Really?
00:26:05
Craig matthews
I would say him, because the way I left it was not very pleasant. I thought that he asked to open up a new contract and everything, and he demanded to ask us when he wanted to leave, when he went to Liverpool.
00:26:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mmm.
00:26:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
That's true. And scored an absolute banger against us in the FA Cup for Liverpool.
00:26:17
Craig matthews
and yeah
00:26:20
Craig matthews
Yeah, and and I think he played the week before he got sold as well, I guess Liverpool, we lost 4-0, there's none of that game at Anfield.
00:26:21
Josh D
to do. Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:26
Craig matthews
He made a mistake as well, a couple of mistakes, and then they scored. When Salah runs from the halfway land, it's called a goal. I think, yeah, so I kind of thought he... I liked him at the top, he was a good player at Arsenal, he was getting better and better, and he just left.
00:26:39
Craig matthews
He was injury prone as well, and he just left the corner. But I think the Hamlets won. The jury's still out.
00:26:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
It is, it is, yeah.
00:26:47
Craig matthews
The jury is still out.
00:26:48
Josh D
excuse
00:26:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, we're slowly turning against him. on the Some of us are slowly turning against him. Some of us hate him anyway. Well, not hate him, but thank you think he's just rubbish. What about you, Josh? What about you?
00:27:00
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Do you sort of agree on the Alex Oxley Chamberlain line?
00:27:04
Josh D
um
00:27:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Or would you rather bring in Alex Song and have Formid Fielders in there?
00:27:12
Josh D
Um... Ooh, it was a tough one.
00:27:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mmm.
00:27:14
Josh D
Chamberlain's one. Yeah, the way he did leave it, it wasn't, it was a sour taste. I saw a song, it's a hard one, you know, it's a hard one.
00:27:21
Craig matthews
There's no one, there's no one I remember now. Nicholas Melkor, where he left Arsenal.
00:27:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh no, not that, that's it, that's it.
00:27:27
Josh D
that That is, i think yeah I think, yeah, that's it. That's it. I knew I'm missing somebody. Yeah. that what on cra Well Well done.
00:27:33
Craig matthews
Nicholas Melkor.
00:27:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:27:35
Craig matthews
Yeah, I remember it. I remember the way how he left Arsenal when he... He had one good season, won the double in 98 and then next season he scored a lot of goals and then the next season he decided he wanted his brothers, his agents, decided he wanted to leave.
00:27:43
Josh D
Yeah.
00:27:52
Craig matthews
of
00:27:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah I think that's an excellent that's an excellent shot and it means that our first 11 of the most hated Arsenal squad is done in goal oh oh oh oh oh yes it
00:27:53
Craig matthews
but
00:28:01
Josh D
oh Oh, there's one mention I want to, ri because this team needs a manager, right?
Manager Choice & Final Reflection
00:28:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
does yes it does excellent show
00:28:08
Josh D
We need a manager. And there's only, this there's one guy in particular that I don't like you before my time, but he did the but the biggest portrayal and that's George Graham.
00:28:11
Craig matthews
ah but
00:28:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, that's a big shout, Josh.
00:28:25
Josh D
ah you manage totenham You managed You managed Tottenham.
00:28:26
Craig matthews
um It did, yeah.
00:28:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
He did.
00:28:29
Josh D
No, I'm sorry. He's got to be him. I know and know pi some people say Wengo, right? But Wengo did give us some of our best years and some of our worst years.
00:28:36
Global Sports Podcast Network
i It it cannot be Vengar.
00:28:41
Josh D
Yeah.
00:28:42
Craig matthews
No.
00:28:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like, it can't be Vengar. And yes, he did, Graham did admittedly go on to manage Spurs in 98 to 2001. He did, and it's,
00:28:50
Josh D
Well, he did give us, he didn't give us Saul Campbell though.
00:28:50
Craig matthews
anyone anyone and one it's really and't what I don't want, I want, I don't want to throw, I don't want to throw for them as well. So it's even worse.
00:28:59
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh God, yeah, he did, didn't he?
00:28:59
Craig matthews
So want to leak up with them in 99, 99, 99 want to leak up with them.
00:29:01
Josh D
He did. He won the Elite Cup, yeah. Yeah.
00:29:06
Craig matthews
So yeah.
00:29:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, do you know what? I was going to leave manager out because i was I felt quite happy about all of the Arsenal managers, but no, Josh has given us a good shout. George Graham, you're the most hated Arsenal manager. It's like the fact of being sold historically as one of the most popular ones. You're the most hated to hell with. I nearly said so, completely different to the hell with you.
00:29:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
getting too relaxed.
00:29:32
Josh D
you.
00:29:32
Craig matthews
Hmm.
00:29:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
That is the most hated R11. The manager of this team, George Graham, Ingol, Manuel Almunia with a back four of Emanuela Ebouay, Lauren Cachelny, William Gallas and Ashley Cole in midfield.
00:29:50
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Granite Jaka holding the base with Sami Nazri and Alexis Sanchez just ahead of him and then up front in a forward three Emmanuel Adebayor and Nicholas Anelka flank Robin Van Persie.
00:30:03
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I don't know about you boys, it's actually quite a good squad.
00:30:06
Josh D
Yeah, I was just thinking that.
00:30:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
It's a good team.
00:30:07
Craig matthews
ah a grave good team yeah hi to by I too, I the most I think I'm in the way I've done person that was obsessed with this day because it was our club captain as well right it was like I think it was our cub captain I mean and it was a massive also finding was it also found from the youth from a young age it was not like he was not ask for fun and also men got picked him up when he had a lot of trouble in our final there was getting to a lot of trouble and when he first gets asked we wouldn't respond a lot of games it was kind of getting mentored by Dennis Burke camp and whatever and then
00:30:07
Josh D
I was just thinking that. I fought for Armenia. I was a good team.
00:30:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, he's the only really crap player in there, isn't he really? So this is the big question then, gents. the The final thing that we had to ask, I think we might have an answer already, but of that list, who is the most hated Arsenal player of all time?
00:30:25
Josh D
It's got
00:30:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Craig.
00:30:29
Josh D
to be it'll be Anabayor.
00:30:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Oh God, yeah.
00:30:41
Josh D
Yeah.
00:31:02
Craig matthews
I thought he would be that he is the number 10 as well. When he left Arsenal, I thought he was going to be a legend for us. And the way he left one team night, I won the league for them as well. And he got a standing ovation as well. I remember that game. It was hurtful, man. I was just a TV author.
00:31:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
shit
00:31:18
Craig matthews
ah
00:31:19
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think ah think if we had a top three, the most hated would be Adebayo.
00:31:19
Craig matthews
but
00:31:25
Craig matthews
Yeah.
00:31:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
i think I think personally, in terms of the fandom, actually Cole would be second, and then I think Van Persie would be third.
00:31:28
Josh D
Hmm.
00:31:31
Craig matthews
the bump at sea.
00:31:34
Josh D
Yeah.
00:31:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
and they would be the most hated Arsenal players and the most hated Arsenal 11, which is what you have just listened to on the Daily
Conclusion & Teasers for Next Episode
00:31:43
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Arsenal Podcast. We hope you've enjoyed this outpouring of rage and disdain. I'll be honest, from my perspective, that felt quite cathartic. I don't know about you boys, but that felt pretty good. We hope you enjoyed listening. um We're not 100% sure what we're going to be bringing you for the rest of this week. There will be a crossover with Lester towards the end of the week, and we'll be doing a preview on the Friday. But until then, just keep your eyes out for the Tuesday and Wednesday episodes. They could be anything. and Until then, I was your host, Josh Vint. Today, we're Craig Matthews and Joshua Duncan. Thank you so much for listening, and we'll be back very soon. Until then, take care and goodbye.