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Daily Arsenal - S1-E116 : How to solve a problem like Marti-Skelly
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In todays episode, the boys tackle the nightmare scenraio of the Gabriel Martinelli injury while also taking a deeper look at the slightly more sinister side of the discourse surrounding Miles Lewis Skelly.
Host : Josh Vince
Guests : Matt, Rodney Gooden, Jamie Patterson
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Introduction and Episode Overview
00:00:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hello, hello, hello and welcome to the Daily Arsenal Podcast brought to you as part of the Global Sports Podcast Network. It's Tuesday which means normally sort of like a bit of a tactical Tuesday and we're certainly going to be looking at a bit of a tactical issue that Arsenal have. This episode is called How to Solve a Problem like Marta Skelly.
00:00:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
And we are gonna be looking at the issues caused by the injury to our very own Gabrielle Martinelli. And then in the second half of today's episode, we're gonna be looking at a little bit of a deeper dive into the, problem well, I say the problems, the reaction to the Louis Skelly celebration when he scored against Manchester City. But to start off, I am your host, Josh Vince. And joining me today are Jamie Patterson, Rodney Gooden and Matt Gents. It's great to see you all. Rodney and Matt, it's been a while since we've had you on. Rodney, how have you been keeping, buddy?
00:00:57
Rodney Gooden
I've been well, well as can be actually you know I said it's been nice as I mentioned earlier just having a little break as well our team not being in the air means I've had less games to watch more time to enjoy the destruction of other teams you know and not watch my own so yeah it's been all right
00:01:12
Global Sports Podcast Network
it It does feel quite relaxing, doesn't it? And Matt, are you enjoying the sort of the breath that you're allowed to take while the boys are in Dubai?
00:01:20
Matt
yeah it's it's fantastic isn't it i'd'd i'd like to join them though um but no it's uh it's something having a weekend without us and i'll tell you that
00:01:24
Rodney Gooden
yeah
00:01:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
it It does feel sort of like my blood pressure dipped an awful lot. so Not in a dangerous amount, but you know, just dipped to a help ah healthy level.
00:01:37
Rodney Gooden
Back to normal levels. yeah
00:01:40
Jamie
Yeah.
00:01:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Exactly. And um I mean, Jamie, you were talking about trying to get us out to Dubai to cover the lads in the the hot water.
00:01:46
Jamie
I said this, said this and thank goodness, like, you know, I got heard. So let's, let's hope now that we can try and pick up some form and the boys are ready and raring to go for Leicester away at 12.30 on a Saturday.
00:02:00
Rodney Gooden
yeah
00:02:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
and ah And you know what the great news is? Ben White has gone. He's topping up his tan.
00:02:04
Jamie
Yeah.
00:02:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
That means that we are in business.
00:02:07
Jamie
Yeah.
00:02:07
Rodney Gooden
Oh my God.
00:02:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
Ben White is getting sorted, guys.
Impact of Martinelli's Injury on Arsenal
00:02:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
So the first thing I wanted to talk about today was Gabriel Martinelli. Now I've been waxing lyrical about this kid all season. but He's picked up a big injury, which is likely to see him out for about a month, month and a half.
00:02:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
Not the best of news. So what we want to talk about is the options for sort of the cover in that position, because we got Saka out on the right, where Martinelli was playing quite a bit already.
00:02:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like, Rodney, hearing that Martinelli is going to be out for the next month or so. Does it fill you with concern, seeing as he was like our next sort of big creator after Erdogan, when Saka was injured?
00:02:38
Rodney Gooden
Hm.
00:02:45
Rodney Gooden
Just of course, I think honestly you can ask questions of Martinelli this season no forms been up and down But what I see is we've got a dedicated winger and another gap in the squad that can't easily be filled as well Say what you want about performance of the season Martinelli is a very comfortable choice on that wing and we do not have the depth to cover a Martinelli shape told when we're already out with Saka So it's looking very light in a key area and it's making me quite nervous.
00:03:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, definitely. Especially Matt, when we because we haven't spoken to you really, Matt, about this.
00:03:14
Rodney Gooden
I
00:03:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
When you look at the business that Arsenal did in the January transfer window, which um for those the for those who have forgotten was nothing. like hu ah Can you sort of reconcile with us being left this short in this position or even in the forward positions in general?
00:03:31
Matt
no i was i was thrilled that we signed no one because why why so why sign attackers when you need attackers you know what i mean like and um i think i think i think seeing that martinelli injury we almost tempted fate and got punished for it you know a few days after the transfer window it was almost like a call to say All right, Arsenal, if you're if you're going to run your players into the ground and bank off the fact that they're going to stay fit for the rest of the season, and it's the same names every single week. And with the greatest of respect, it's not like, I don't know, a Manet Sanif Amino type where you've got like the best attackers and it's like you're really scared to add. You're talking about an attack, which is good, has shown some great promise at times, some some really good moments and really good games and really good form, but an attack which I think everyone can safe to say can be improved on quite easily.
00:04:20
Matt
and that martinelli injury was almost like a this serves you right arsenal type of thing and I was just like well what what what was there to say really it was just so typical the timing was so typical almost to be expected do as I say we almost tempted fate and as you say and obviously that's what we'll be discussing we've now got a ah quite a bigger ah issue to work to solve
00:04:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mmm.
00:04:33
Rodney Gooden
yeah
00:04:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
We do. Yeah, massively. It literally came two days after Arteta said I was disappointed we didn't sign anybody. And two days later,
00:04:48
Rodney Gooden
Yeah.
00:04:50
Global Sports Podcast Network
you know,
Evaluating Replacement Players for Arsenal
00:04:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
snap.
00:04:51
Rodney Gooden
Yep.
00:04:51
Global Sports Podcast Network
Now, Jamie, there are three players who sort of shout out as possibles to fill this slot on the left-hand side because realistically it's the slot on the left-hand side, but we also kind of have to think about the right because he was playing, but it's very complicated.
00:05:04
Jamie
yeah
00:05:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
But when we talk about the left, the three sort of options that are being talked about are Leandro Trossard, Raheem Sterling, and Kieran Tierney. has been an interesting one.
00:05:15
Global Sports Podcast Network
So to start off, Trossard. Now, I know I don't like him, and I've made myself perfectly clear on that.
00:05:19
Jamie
Yeah, I was gonna briefly mention that, yeah.
00:05:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
I'm not as big as a fan. He's got four goals and four assists in 24 games. 30% of his shots have been on target, which is one of the lowest in the team. He's the third highest for crosses behind Reis and Saka, who count corners as crosses, and has the third lowest pass completion in the squad.
00:05:39
Jamie
Right.
00:05:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
So it's a very mixed bag of statistics. When you think about t Trossard, how comfortable are you with him being that player there?
00:05:51
Jamie
The thing is, right, i I've said it before in previous episodes, but I see Trossard as an impact player. The amount of times I've seen him come on, perform from the bench, and you've clearly seen it, boys, in his shirt celebration, where he's just, he doesn't celebrate, he doesn't do his signature celebration, it's it like he's trying to say to Arter a look,
00:06:14
Jamie
this is what happens when you play me, Arteta goes and gives him that chance, but then it's we we see a different side to Trossard whatsoever.
00:06:22
Rodney Gooden
Yeah.
00:06:23
Jamie
um So again, I just think he's better off as a bench, what well not just as an impact player from the bench.
00:06:26
Rodney Gooden
Supersub.
00:06:32
Jamie
Yeah, superstar, there we go.
00:06:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, Super Sub.
00:06:33
Rodney Gooden
Nah.
00:06:33
Global Sports Podcast Network
that God, I haven't heard that as in a while.
00:06:37
Jamie
but
00:06:38
Global Sports Podcast Network
That shows our age, it's a Super Sub.
00:06:39
Rodney Gooden
so
00:06:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
Matt, are you sold by him?
00:06:46
Matt
um Yes, and no.
00:06:49
Jamie
Oh.
00:06:49
Matt
I think people... I don't want to say he became maybe a bit of a rated type of thing, but I feel like with social media and with Arsenal fans and with football fans in general, there's never really a bit of nuance or balance.
00:07:00
Matt
So I think when he was good, he was good, but it was more the goals which were the saviour, you know, like the goals he scored were about as clutch as you could ever remember.
00:07:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mmm.
00:07:11
Matt
and when he's bad he's pretty abysmal but at the same time I just think he's a really inconsistent player and he's a player who some people have almost written off his skill set and how good he can be
00:07:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:07:26
Jamie
Oh, I was gonna say AKA Josh, yep! but
00:07:30
Matt
No names, no names. And I think some games you feel like you see mixed bagged from him, but I think especially recently you've seen the best version of Trossard. You've seen a player who could be a bit stronger, could be a bit quicker, but is unpredictable, is really good at beating his man on one-on-one.
00:07:45
Matt
Our most reliable winger who's currently fit are beating their man one-on-one probably.
00:07:45
Rodney Gooden
and
00:07:49
Matt
ah you know, like a dynamic goal for it. And I think the biggest area Arsenal lack is the outlet side of things without having Martinelli. I'm not worried about having Chossard playing. I'm more worried, as I said earlier, that it's kind of like we haven't got the best attack of all time.
00:08:05
Matt
So watching any free players basically every single week might be a bit of an eyesore with a grace of respect.
00:08:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
Hmm. Hmm.
00:08:10
Matt
and more worried in the profile sense and relying on these same players who are good players, arguably very good players, arguably good first team players, but it's a lot to rely on.
00:08:22
Matt
And I think Trossar deserves a lot of credit for how he stepped up ah in the last few weeks, month or or so, since Saka got injured. I know where Josh is really biting his tongue like, hmm.
00:08:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
i
00:08:35
Matt
Yeah.
00:08:35
Global Sports Podcast Network
Joe, I'm doing everything in my power to listen very carefully, take in what you're saying, and to be fair, you make some very, very good points.
00:08:36
Matt
yeah
00:08:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
I think the thing that comes across to me there is the inconsistency, and I think that's what drives me up the wall about him. More than more than anything else, really, is the fact that he is so inconsistent.
00:08:55
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, when you look at the other options there, Rodney, Sterling is probably the next sort of the next obvious choice for that position. And like you say, Trossard's a super sub. but We know this. ah Sterling, he hasn't scored in the prem yet. ah He's only played nine games so far. But he has a remarkably good progressive carry rate for the amount of time he's been playing. So Saka has our best rate. He does ah makes a progressive carry once every 17 minutes.
00:09:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Stirling's obviously played considerably less, but is currently at 1 every 15. He wants to get the ball forward, he just seems to have lost that lost that finesse at the end of it, which would you would you be fair to say.
00:09:37
Rodney Gooden
Yeah.
00:09:42
Rodney Gooden
yeah
00:09:44
Rodney Gooden
Yeah, I'd 100% agree with that. I feel that in the few games that Sterling's played, when he has had the ball, he tries to take on his man. He does look dangerous. He can get past, but it's the decision making with the last action, which I think lets Sterling down.
00:09:56
Rodney Gooden
Whether it's the final shot on top of the goal, it's not clever enough. There's not enough finesse on it. Or sometimes it's with that carry, he'll hold onto it for too long and then end up losing the ball instead of releasing the ball and getting that cross over.
00:10:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:10:06
Rodney Gooden
So I think with Sterling, sometimes he can be quite a
Arsenal Squad Challenges
00:10:09
Rodney Gooden
frustrating winger to watch because you can see this potential and talent there, but usually the conversion doesn't happen and we need that.
00:10:13
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:10:15
Rodney Gooden
And you get to see the same old Arsenal story of a wonderful chance and a build-up and then it amounts to nothing. And I think we're still like, yeah, that's often that's happening more often than not.
00:10:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
Do you know?
00:10:23
Rodney Gooden
But I do feel that... yeah
00:10:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
so yeah Go, go, go, go, go.
00:10:27
Rodney Gooden
No, but I do feel that, yeah, similar to Jamie's point as well, I think I might want to see him play and then have Trossard come on later. I think starting maybe, yeah, I might see something a bit more from Sterling and then we can maybe rotate and bring Trossard on, but yeah, something in that there. There's a player in there.
00:10:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
You know know who that made me think of when you were talking about going forward, making positive runs and not having anything at the end of it. It made me think a little bit of Gabriel Martin.
00:10:50
Rodney Gooden
please
00:10:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
just a little I love him, but it is a little bit true.
00:10:56
Jamie
yeah yeah
00:10:57
Rodney Gooden
chair yeah <unk>s True.
00:10:59
Jamie
but
00:11:00
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah
00:11:01
Rodney Gooden
It's why I said even at the start, I said performances have not always been there this season, but yeah.
00:11:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
if not more um The last player who is being mentioned at the moment is a player who, Jamie, you have sung the praises of for a long time.
00:11:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, your second team's Celtic anyway.
00:11:18
Jamie
Yeah.
00:11:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
so yeah Well, actually, is it Palace or Celtic, your second team?
00:11:19
Rodney Gooden
Okay.
00:11:21
Jamie
Celtic. Everyone says Palace.
00:11:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
OK, there we go.
00:11:22
Rodney Gooden
okay
00:11:25
Jamie
My girlfriend's like, oh, we're a Palace fan though. And I'm like, but my second team's Celtic. I've got to follow my Scottish roots.
00:11:30
Rodney Gooden
the
00:11:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, in that case, let's follow them. Kieran Tierney. He's only played 18 minutes in the league this season. He is going at the end of the season, but he looks quite lively.
00:11:40
Jamie
Yeah.
00:11:42
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's brought and brought on on a couple of cups in the 18 minutes he's played in the in the league. Do you reckon he's a viable option there?
00:11:50
Jamie
I mean, before he joined Arsenal, we I've seen him play as a left wing back and he's got he's got forward on on good occasions, cutting, in I mean, I think back to West Brom, was it?
00:12:05
Jamie
West Brom in the snow, saw that, we saw that side of TNE where he just braved the cold, cutting, and I mean, look,
00:12:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
specific
00:12:10
Matt
What a memory.
00:12:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Wow. so
00:12:15
Jamie
You know, the the thing is right with Sterling, ah look there's a few Arsenal fans that have said to me, look, I think we we need a bit of consistency, but we need a run of games. I think but for Arsenal fans to really judge him, people are saying to me that he needs to be given a run of games. And I'm like,
00:12:33
Jamie
I kind of get where you're coming from with that. But at the same time, it's like the runner games, ah unfortunately, games are now starting to come in thick and thin. And it's going to be a point where games are going to be against us.
00:12:42
Rodney Gooden
Mm.
00:12:46
Jamie
You know, the amount of games are really going to be against us. And let's be honest, we're not going to be looking to even if Sterling was to go on some magical run. um I really highly doubt we will extend his contract.
00:13:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:13:01
Jamie
beyond exactly.
00:13:02
Jamie
There you go. um But to me, I mean, I wouldn't, the thing is with Tierney, I love him. I think he's a great player, but I would probably experiment with him in like the lesser games. I just wouldn't, I wouldn't want to, you know, go to like United away or Liverpool away and stick Tierney in that kind of position, especially as he's been so ah limited to game time at Arsenal. So, you know, if you could build his confidence up in a game against
00:13:34
Jamie
palace or or you know one of the promoted teams, then you know it might be a bit of a different story. But yeah, I don't think the reaction's gone down too well with you guys.
00:13:43
Matt
We've got a bit of a flaw with what you're saying.
00:13:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
ja Jamie.
00:13:46
Matt
I think there's a bit of a flaw and in and what he's saying.
00:13:47
Global Sports Podcast Network
Jamie, your girlfriend's a Palace fan, right?
00:13:51
Matt
He's mentioned.
00:13:53
Rodney Gooden
Yeah.
00:13:53
Jamie
Yeah.
00:13:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
And you said you don't want him to play against the small you want him to play against the smaller like in Palace.
00:13:55
Rodney Gooden
Yeah.
00:13:56
Jamie
No, I said
00:13:59
Rodney Gooden
Yeah, that's what I heard.
00:13:59
Jamie
The Leicester team. I said the Leicester teams, the Leicester teams.
00:14:00
Rodney Gooden
I thought he's finished. He's finished.
00:14:02
Jamie
not I did not say anything about Palace being a small team.
00:14:02
Rodney Gooden
ah
00:14:04
Matt
Sorry.
00:14:05
Global Sports Podcast Network
should we
00:14:06
Jamie
I said the Leicester team there.
00:14:06
Rodney Gooden
da
00:14:09
Global Sports Podcast Network
Go on, mate.
00:14:09
Matt
I think there's a bigger floor though. ah you ah He just said play against the smaller teams like Palace and just said than playing against the bigger teams like United at Old Trafford.
00:14:19
Rodney Gooden
oh
00:14:20
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:14:21
Rodney Gooden
great
00:14:22
Jamie
I'm going to...
00:14:22
Matt
way
00:14:22
Rodney Gooden
Oh no!
00:14:23
Matt
thank
00:14:23
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah whoa
00:14:24
Jamie
ah You guys are really trying to put me in the doghouse, aren't you?
00:14:26
Rodney Gooden
That's so funny.
00:14:28
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:14:28
Rodney Gooden
That's so funny.
00:14:31
Jamie
yeah
00:14:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
Shots fired from multiple angles, Jamie Patterson.
00:14:31
Rodney Gooden
Oof. Oof.
00:14:35
Jamie
Oh, day, day, day.
00:14:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
Well, I mean i think we haven't we haven't come up with the answer, but I don't think anybody will necessarily. And while Jamie licks his wounds and apologizes to his girlfriend, um we have a quick message.
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Controversy Over Lewis Skelly's Celebration
00:15:27
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00:15:34
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That was our little message from our partners at Zencaster. Welcome back to part two of the Daily Arsenal podcast now. This is the first that I'm going to be putting this morning out for the Daily Arsenal podcast. Some of the language used in this section will not be PG necessarily. There is going to be some strong language in this section. We're going to be talking now about the reaction to Miles Lewis Skelly's celebration when scoring against Manchester City.
00:16:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Now, Matt, we haven't spoken since the City Game. Obviously, a lot has blown up about this celebration. what did you make When you were watching it in the first instance, what did you make of it? Just him sitting down, doing the meditating ah celebration. Miles Luske, after he scored his goal.
00:16:26
Matt
funny and brilliant because i'm not a moody like and i just like it's it's almost like obviously you know things will will allude to i'm sure we'll talk about and discuss but it's clearly a deep rooted like it's it's not just because it's any old player celebrating against man city like
00:16:30
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah. Yeah.
00:16:32
Rodney Gooden
that Yeah.
00:16:49
Matt
Some of the narratives after that game or after that celebration were just insanity. You know, you look at the fact that Arsenal would just beat Pep Guardiola's Man City 5-1.
00:16:57
Rodney Gooden
Hmm.
00:17:00
Matt
Probably one of the biggest defeats in his whole career. You know, obviously things have gone sour for them this season.
00:17:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm.
00:17:06
Matt
Let's not get it twisted. They've never conceded five goals. They've never conceded five open play goals. And... that happened to 18 to um 118 year old 117 year old scoring you know you couldn't ask for a better way of it happening from an arsenal perspective but the reaction is just it is sadly just talks about the consistent problems which there's been in the past with certain players you know and you obviously don't like going down that route but ultimately you've got to say things how they are and there's just a very clear even if it's subconscious there's a very clear media perception of players like Lewis Skelly
00:17:48
Matt
um as age, as skin colour, his the way you know the media portray players like that.
00:17:52
Rodney Gooden
Okay.
00:17:54
Matt
We've seen so many players over the years get abused, get ridiculed, get all sorts of lame narratives made about them for one reason, which is, sadly, you know becomes more and more evident when you see the more and more players.
00:18:08
Matt
You know you only need to look at the way Drew Bellingham, for example, even if you talk about players outside of this country being treated in the media, And for one, it's a thing of why would you want to play in this country? Not that it's great anywhere else type of thing, but that's one thing. And it's another thing that is just a consistent thing where maybe it's not deliberate, but it's very subconsciously the case.
00:18:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
I mean, there's something that there's definitely a parallel that can be made in this instance, because when let's say, for example, Rodney, in the previous fixture, Harland was giving it the big and he was throwing the ball at the back of Gabrielle's head.
00:18:44
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He was screaming.
00:18:45
Rodney Gooden
Oh.
00:18:45
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as He told our tetties to stay humble. He said to an 18 year old boy who's making his Premier League debut for Arsenal, who the F are you?
00:18:56
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Then, Miles Lewis Skelly does his celebration when Arsenal hammer, hammer Manchester City. Carragher says it's mimicking and taking the mic, he's getting a bit carried away.
00:19:07
Rodney Gooden
yes yeah Unbelievable.
00:19:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
Gary Neville calls it disrespectful. Jason Kundy on talk sport, wind your neck in, he'll be lucky if he doesn't get his leg broken like Harlan's dad did.
00:19:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like, the the difference in coverage of Harland doing it at the start of the season and an 18-year-old lad doing it now is absurd, isn't it?
00:19:30
Rodney Gooden
Mm.
00:19:36
Rodney Gooden
Yeah, it's absolutely ridiculous. It's unbelievable. Where was this outrage when it was Harlem throwing the ball at the back there? I said, I believe Gary Neville said it was funny.
00:19:45
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yes.
00:19:45
Rodney Gooden
You know, back then when I happened, he said it was funny. Oh, but it's not funny now, is it? It's ridiculous.
00:19:49
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:19:50
Rodney Gooden
Mars Lewis Kelly's response was relatively tame compared to what he could have done. He's not coming in there with a two foot tackle. He's not coming in there and screaming in Harlem's face or throwing a ball back or doing whatever. It's a celebration. You've come down to the Emirates, right?
00:20:01
Rodney Gooden
After giving it all of that grief when we came up to the Etihad, um You've told us to stay humble, told us to stay in our land, told us to know our place, given all this grief to our players, and then you've come to the Emirates and you've failed to perform.
00:20:13
Rodney Gooden
Naturally, when that happens and you're talking a good game beforehand and you come to another team's ground and you fail to perform when the team gets humiliated, you're going to get clowned. You're going to get laughed at. That is part of the game. That's part of the fun.
00:20:24
Rodney Gooden
It's part of the sport. I don't understand how they could potentially be any of this backlash. It's ridiculous. For me, I saw and I thought this is friendly banter. From everything from the Emirates to us playing humble at our full-time whistle, playing the song, the celebration.
00:20:34
Global Sports Podcast Network
ah exactly
00:20:36
Jamie
ah
00:20:37
Rodney Gooden
It's funny. It's funny. Come on. You've got to laugh and then you move on.
Ian Wright Addresses Media Bias
00:20:41
Rodney Gooden
Let's move on to the next game and start thinking about it. It's ridiculous how much this horror and kerfuffle there is about this. It's ridiculous. e Yeah! Yeah!
00:20:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
you make such a good point the club played humble it was it wasn't wasn't louis skelly who got it on like ah louis skelly didn't get a jam and go oh i've got a good idea i'll play humble now the club did that but
00:20:53
Jamie
Yeah.
00:21:00
Rodney Gooden
yeah The club did it!
00:21:01
Jamie
yeah
00:21:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
Everybody, all of the pundits, aim all of their sort of criticism at a young lad. Now, Jamie, this is quite a long extract I have here, but I want to get your thoughts on this. This is Ian Wright talking about Marzla Skelly.
00:21:17
Global Sports Podcast Network
We need to protect Miles Lewis Skelly at all costs. British media have found the new target and are already taking aim. Instead of hailing up this 18-year-old's impressive breakout season so far, his celebration and response to Harlan has become a point of contention. Jason Kundy insinuated Miles could have his leg broken like Harlan's father. What is branded as shit-house-ery for some is seen as arrogance for another. The talk around Miles' name is entering dangerous territory.
00:21:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
The sight of a young, confident, charismatic black man thriving on the biggest stage does not fit the mould of what they envision. Many people in England have an issue with confident black men in all spaces.
00:21:54
Global Sports Podcast Network
The second you become bigger than you initially were, you become threatening and must be minimised. Do you think there's a good argument to be made being made by Ian there, that the fact of his background, sort of like what Matt was alluding to earlier, has quite a big part to play in the way that the media is treating him currently?
00:22:09
Jamie
Hmm.
00:22:13
Jamie
Yeah, I mean, it's it's not like we've had this conversation before. We've seen it before with, you know, England in the Euros and, you know, we've had it with Saka, we've had it with Rashford, we've had it with Sancho, you know, to to it's it's so sad to see and the thing is the poor boy is 17 he's 17 years old you know why are we why are we targeting or why are the media seeming to target a 17 year old who's only just found his feet in the premier league who's just enjoying his football why can't why can't we just as a media why can't they just let
00:22:52
Jamie
a 17-year-old just play football and let him enjoy playing football without facing all this scrutiny. I mean, again, going back to celebrations, you look at um the Brighton Everton game where Ilhaman and Jai did the Eagles celebration, done the the seagull celebration.
00:23:11
Jamie
You know, hold on a minute. Well, why didn't the media throw the spotlight on that celebration? But yet,
00:23:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
Jamie Vardy pointing at the trophy when he scored against Tottenham.
00:23:20
Jamie
You know, there's so many, and the thing is now, it's like, ah but then all of a sudden now, the Premier League have now suddenly decided that they want to start cracking down on, on celebrations.
00:23:20
Rodney Gooden
Hmm. Yep.
00:23:30
Jamie
Well, then why, why ruin a game, why ruin a game of football by taking out celebrations like what, what Marzullu Skelly did, what Illyman and Jai did, you know, you're, you're killing the sport.
00:23:45
Jamie
You'd be killing the the game as it is, you know, the whole point of, you know, you want friendly banter, you know, going back to what you guys had said about, you know, um when Harlem was like, oh, to Miles Luskelli, like, who there for you?
00:23:52
Rodney Gooden
a Yeah.
00:24:02
Jamie
You know, Miles could, you know, at his age, he could have just turned around and been like, sorry, what would did you say? Like, he could have, he could have really like, that could have bawled his blood. But, you know, the guy was like, you know what, cool, you know what, I'm going to show you who I am.
00:24:14
Jamie
And That's what he did. But the thing is, ah it's just the thing is, first, there's like, obviously, Mars Lewis Skelly, I then do start to I would then also kind of worry a little bit about Ethan Wanyeri, because again, you know, if the media are going to stop portraying Arsenal players, you know,
00:24:33
Jamie
It's worrying and it is so sad to see as well because again You don't hear it about you don't hear about any other club in the prime and it's all of it And you know what it seems like we we love to trigger pundits.
00:24:46
Jamie
We just love to trigger pundits Don't we because all of a sudden the celebration police are back again Remember do you remember when do you remember?
00:24:52
Rodney Gooden
Yeah?
00:24:53
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, yeah, it's always us, isn't it?
00:24:56
Jamie
I'll still ask Liverpool and older and older guard took a photo of a photographer
00:24:57
Rodney Gooden
Yeah. Oh, yeah.
00:25:02
Jamie
photographgrapher
00:25:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
official club photographer barton erga
00:25:05
Rodney Gooden
Yeah.
00:25:06
Jamie
Yep.
00:25:06
Rodney Gooden
Yeah.
00:25:07
Jamie
Yep. It just felt like the celebration police were back in again another season. They thought, ah, wicked. You know, we had Odegard last season. You know what? We're going to put Marzullu Skelly in.
00:25:17
Jamie
Why not?
00:25:18
Rodney Gooden
yeah
00:25:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
do you know do you know what all the players need they all need the mario balotelli why is it always me i'm goodnna sure they need they all need that i think
00:25:18
Jamie
Who's next next season?
00:25:25
Jamie
Why is it always?
00:25:25
Rodney Gooden
I love that.
00:25:31
Jamie
Yeah.
Media Narratives Against Arsenal
00:25:32
Global Sports Podcast Network
Matt, Jamie makes an interesting point because let's be honest, in the past, especially in sort of like the post-invincibles era, sort of like post-invincibles up to the end of Venga, Arsenal were kind of seen as pushovers a little bit, weren't they? They were sort of like the ticky-tacky beautiful footballers. I mean, I remember some of the hideous injuries, Ramsey getting his leg broken, um the Eduardo injury, the the Abu Diabe injury. And if I remember rightly,
00:26:02
Global Sports Podcast Network
fans from other teams were kind of laughing at Arsenal players in those moments. Do you think there's just like, um there's an element where we try and turn a joke around, like Arsenal, they go, we, like Rodney said before, Arsenal did something funny to call something back in the game. It was banter, it was calling back. But there does seem to be a hatred when Arsenal try and reply to these sort of things.
00:26:29
Matt
I think there's multiple different points within this. I think the first point I saw a friend on Twitter the other day, which is really interesting, is really true, is Arsenal, the culture club.
00:26:31
Rodney Gooden
Yeah.
00:26:37
Matt
Whether it's a subconscious thing or not from the media or anything like that, they don't like the fact that Arsenal have the most diverse fans in London or wherever else.
00:26:43
Rodney Gooden
Yeah.
00:26:47
Matt
Arsenal are, you know, I think they're fielded the first um Blackside or something along those lines.
00:26:47
Jamie
here Yeah.
00:26:54
Matt
Arsenal have, you know, collaborated with so many different streetwear brands and everything like that and been innovative with the way that they involve other fans in other countries. And the media simply put don't like that.
00:27:06
Global Sports Podcast Network
the white kit.
00:27:06
Matt
And.
00:27:07
Global Sports Podcast Network
People hate it.
00:27:08
Rodney Gooden
Yeah, yeah, no more red.
00:27:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
One of the Arsenal fans hates the white kit.
00:27:10
Matt
They go.
00:27:10
Rodney Gooden
They hate it. Can't stand it.
00:27:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
They despise it.
00:27:13
Rodney Gooden
Yeah, it's ridiculous.
00:27:13
Matt
Exactly that. And that's a great example. Obviously, some of our fans don't help ourselves with some of the very insensitive jokes. But generally speaking, that is, you know, that's an example of a campaign which Arsenal has done to make a difference. You know, they're trying to make a positive difference. Another thing is we kind of got to accept that no matter what happens, the goalposts will be moved. So when Arsenal were a pushover, it was Arsenal week, any away game, they get bullied, etc, etc, etc.
00:27:42
Matt
now it's oh Arsenal winning these big six games but oh but they're playing too defensive it's oh why are they uh you know why are they celebrating like this for for when they've not lost and to a big six iron like the best part of two years you know in ah in the Premier League or something along those lines
00:27:57
Rodney Gooden
yeah
00:28:00
Matt
ultimately the narrative keeps getting shifted ultimately the goalposts keep getting shifted and ultimately some of the reaction is i get you know like the general side of oh but some fans don't help but i think that excuse is redundant when you think about how annoying a lot of fan base are i can't personally stand our fans on socials are the best of times but
00:28:20
Rodney Gooden
Next, yeah.
00:28:20
Jamie
No.
00:28:22
Global Sports Podcast Network
We're not always the best, are we?
00:28:22
Matt
ah
00:28:23
Rodney Gooden
Yeah, yeah no I know, I know.
00:28:25
Jamie
no
00:28:25
Matt
absolutely not yeah exactly that so i get that but i just think things get blown out of proportion all the time and genuinely i just think you know quickly touching back on the louis skelly side of things for one this country is just deeply deeply miserable and you know you look at like psg when they did that did that celebration in a lockdown against Dortmund
00:28:25
Rodney Gooden
make life a bit harder for ourselves sometimes.
00:28:50
Matt
Everyone loved it. Holland also didn't um also didn't have a problem with with what we did on on um Sunday either. you know yeah His reactions as well.
00:29:00
Rodney Gooden
He said he didn't care. He didn't interview.
00:29:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah
00:29:02
Rodney Gooden
Yeah.
00:29:02
Jamie
Yeah.
00:29:04
Matt
If he's not caring, then how is the topic of conversation after a 5-1 thumping about this? Like, it's it's sad. And I think the notion or the general narrative around Lewis Skelly, just to start with, it stemmed instantly from that Wolves game, some of the hideous things being even written days after.
00:29:25
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:29:25
Rodney Gooden
and
00:29:25
Matt
and it went from a one injustice of a decision to oh it's been overturned this guy is so blah blah blah blah blah do you know what I mean and then that boiled over to obviously once again them seeing a young confident black man who they don't like seeing doing well and so celebrating and and apparently a pretty um repulsive way even though Jamie Vardy's been paraded for years so yeah
00:29:48
Rodney Gooden
yeah
00:29:48
Jamie
ah Yeah.
00:29:48
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah, yeah, it seems to be sort of a pattern with Lewis Skelly of people saying that effectively it's boiling down to he stepped out of line, you know, he shouldn't be doing that.
00:29:58
Rodney Gooden
and
00:30:01
Global Sports Podcast Network
He's young. He's not experienced enough.
00:30:04
Global Sports Podcast Network
Look at where he's come from. He shouldn't be doing that. He's stepping out of line. That seems to be the discourse at the moment.
00:30:04
Jamie
oh my
Media Criticism Post-Manchester City Victory
00:30:10
Global Sports Podcast Network
And Rodney, at the moment, it should be the best week of Mars Lewis Skelly's life.
00:30:16
Rodney Gooden
yeah
00:30:16
Global Sports Podcast Network
He is 18 years old, he scored a great goal in a man-city thumping and like Matt says, this is the discourse.
00:30:16
Rodney Gooden
Yes.
00:30:19
Rodney Gooden
Mmm.
00:30:23
Rodney Gooden
Mmm.
00:30:26
Global Sports Podcast Network
How bloody annoyed would you be?
00:30:26
Rodney Gooden
Yeah.
00:30:28
Jamie
Mm-hm.
00:30:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
How pissed off are you if you're Mars Lewis Skelly at the moment?
00:30:30
Rodney Gooden
Yeah.
00:30:33
Rodney Gooden
Oh my God, molds are like just apoplectic. You know, it shouldn't be ridiculous. I mean, if you even if you think about it, wind it back to the rules game as well. If that red card had to be overturned, you wouldn't even be able to be playing for that moment as well.
00:30:44
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:30:45
Rodney Gooden
So you can argue that it's like he's gone through such an injustice, almost missed that golden opportunity, is by the grace of God, given the opportunity to go and play shines um as a spectacular masterpiece, incredible masterclass of a game.
00:30:56
Rodney Gooden
And even then, all he's getting, hate, abuse, criticism. It's ridiculous. The kid had a wonderful performance. I don't understand why no one can just enjoy that. But to call it back to some of the points about Well, should he be staying in his lane, you know, this kind of discourse about, oh, the way, the place you've come from, you know, you need to, I see even with Jamie Carragher's point, his argument, right, was that Harland has gone over there is this one, so many trophies scored, so many goals that he didn't think Maus Luskelli had the right.
00:31:11
Global Sports Podcast Network
Yeah.
00:31:25
Rodney Gooden
even dare to do his celebration like he's got some sort of pattern on it it's ridiculous and i realize that with some of these serial winners you know the serial winners they're not really kind of living up to this mentality monster hike it very much seems that what you like to do is you like to kind of have your trophies you like to have your victories here and then no one else has the right to criticize you whatsoever only the people who want a serious similar level to you success wise can criticize you and it seems you guys are fragile.
00:31:29
Global Sports Podcast Network
Mm hmm.
00:31:50
Rodney Gooden
You don't want to have a humiliating performance in your team and then have your performance criticized. You want it to be about past history, about past trophies, that Arsenal and its players as a whole need to stay in their lane because they haven't won anything since 2020, they're not a big enough club, they shouldn't be seen as a threat.
00:32:04
Rodney Gooden
And how dare they step up their lane and beat a bigger team 5-1. How dare they go out there and show that they've got youngsters with talent. It's ridiculous. It just seems that there's a kind of bias against the club as a whole and its players, and you really have to call it out for what it is.
00:32:17
Rodney Gooden
ah to leave It's infuriating to go and watch. Just enjoy the game and accept the fact that your team is defeated. Enjoy the fact that as players, if you have a bad game, you have a right to be criticized, whether it's by the media, whether it's by the opposite team as well, and that is fine.
00:32:27
Global Sports Podcast Network
yeah Yes.
00:32:29
Rodney Gooden
You move on and go on to the next game. Let's not have us sitting there and thinking that Stolf Campbell was right and going, but You know, I don't want to be thinking about that.
00:32:37
Global Sports Podcast Network
No.
00:32:38
Rodney Gooden
I don't want to be thinking about it.
00:32:41
Global Sports Podcast Network
Like, that's a really good point.
Solidarity with Lewis Skelly
00:32:43
Global Sports Podcast Network
that Their job is to go out and play football. They will be criticized, fairly and unfairly, but it needs to be about the football, not about anything else, not about any of the other nonsense.
00:32:46
Rodney Gooden
Yeah. Yes, yes.
00:32:52
Global Sports Podcast Network
And to be honest, this is a Daily Arsenal podcast. We normally have a really good laugh. We talk about things which are ridiculous and stupid. This is not the sort of thing we want to be talking about either.
00:33:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
It has taken over the discourse of this because it has to be addressed the way it's been talking about.
00:33:07
Rodney Gooden
yeah
00:33:08
Global Sports Podcast Network
And do you know what? Sod it. We are behind Miles Lewis Skelly. All Arsenal fans are.
00:33:12
Rodney Gooden
Yep.
00:33:13
Jamie
Yes sir.
00:33:13
Rodney Gooden
Mm-hmm.
00:33:14
Global Sports Podcast Network
It is the fact that we're having this discussion is ridiculous.
00:33:14
Rodney Gooden
Mm-hmm.
00:33:18
Global Sports Podcast Network
And it just goes to show the state of the way things are going in in this country, in the media. But we are not a part of that. We will back that lad to the hill, whatever happens. And on that.
00:33:27
Jamie
Keep doing what you're doing, Amaless. Keep doing what you're doing.
00:33:29
Rodney Gooden
Oh, a mouse. We love to see it.
00:33:31
Global Sports Podcast Network
Who? two bloody right boys and you know what on that i think we're going to end it tonight because otherwise we could we could go on for hours about this and get angry and angrier but what we need to remember is we have an 18 year old in that team who is a future england star and he and he is an arsenal boy through and through future england star he is a future england star
00:33:38
Rodney Gooden
and
00:33:47
Rodney Gooden
Mm hmm.
00:33:49
Matt
sorry can we um can we just repeat that sentence to the to the media a future so
00:33:55
Rodney Gooden
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:33:56
Jamie
Yeah, run that back, run it back, run it back.
00:33:57
Rodney Gooden
Take notes.
00:34:00
Matt
make it make sense
00:34:01
Rodney Gooden
Yeah.
00:34:02
Matt
i
00:34:03
Global Sports Podcast Network
And he will, he will be our first choice left back because let's be honest, we need one in England. So that is it. Thank you all so much for listening. Obviously a little bit of a heavier subject this week, but it needs to be talked about. So thank you very much for listening. I've been your host, Josh Vince. They were Jamie Patterson, Rodney Gooden, and Matt. We'll be back tomorrow, hopefully with a crossover with the Lester lot. And until then, have a great day. Stay safe and goodbye.
00:34:07
Rodney Gooden
Mm hmm.