Transcript
tyrellknifeworks: Yo, welcome to another triple T for knife makers podcast. Jared and I had a big fight last week at maker camp and I kicked him off the show. I'm just kidding. We're doing a little change up. We're doing a little swabsies. Uh, I've got the one and only Noah Bloomberg from anti -out river Forge. And from the hustle and grind podcast is my co -host and Jared is on hustle and grind.
tyrellknifeworks: So you guys will have to crisscross and listen to each episode to hear the full show. Welcome Noah, how's it going?
Noah B: It's going good, man. Surprise! I'm not Jared.
tyrellknifeworks: I'm sure we're going to have some laughs no matter what.
Noah B: Oh my gosh. yeah is Okay, so here's the thing, guys. we're doing We're doing a little bit of a swap here, okay? So I feel really weird not talking to Ryan right now. It's one of those things. but so yeah so Jared's over on Hustle and Grind. both of our Both of our shows come out on Tuesday, so this is perfect. So you you guys have one episode that you can listen to.
Noah B: Hustle and Grind is gonna be pretty much business as usual. So it's, you know, we do an interview show over there. If you're listening to the Triple T and you don't know, we do an interview show over there. ah Me and Ryan from Ryan Shadmore Knifeworks.
Noah B: And so Jared is actually co -hosting that and they're gonna be doing their regular interview show. And I honestly can't wait to listen to it and see what they come up with because that's gonna be interesting.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, me too. I think it's going to be funny. And they got a great, they got a great, um, uh, interviewee that they're, they're interviewing. So I won't give it away.
Noah B: That's true.
tyrellknifeworks: I won't give it away.
Noah B: Yeah. You got to go listen to find out because, yeah, I'm i'm a little jealous, honestly, of Jared, but whatever. It's fine. He can.
tyrellknifeworks: We're going to have some fun here. Don't worry. So I, and actually we didn't have a triple T podcast last week because, um, as usual,
Noah B: Absolutely.
tyrellknifeworks: go to maker camp. I always seem to get sick either on the way to maker camp and it kicks it. This time it kicked in Sunday and I had that scratchy throat Sunday morning and sure enough, Monday I was out of it.
tyrellknifeworks: So there's no way we were recording Tuesday or when, and then Jared got sick and he was a day behind me. So we just couldn't, I still have, you can probably hear it in my voice.
Noah B: Oh, geez.
tyrellknifeworks: I'm still, uh, got the flaming chest so we'll try to work through it but yeah no show last week um so we didn't Jared and I didn't get to talk about maker camp between the two of us but I'm sure I'll I'll talk about a bit about my experience at maker camp in this episode but Noah what's new with you would you do the last week it's
Noah B: I was sick too. That's so random.
tyrellknifeworks: going around
Noah B: Yeah. It's going around, man. Yeah. I was sick and you just kicked my ass, dude. It was just brutal. Uh, so all last weekend I was sick. I didn't get out into the shop. I got into that into the shop a little bit this week and all I really did was just try to catch up on orders.
Noah B: so Um, but I, I didn't made like barely any progress just cause I was feeling so crappy and couldn't get focused. So it's been a bummer a couple of weeks, man. I just haven't had enough shop time.
Noah B: I made the, I wasn't really a mistake, but I'm at that point now where my kids are of a certain age where we felt obligated to sign them up for sports.
tyrellknifeworks: Oh yeah, I saw your post about Soccer Saturday.
Noah B: Yeah, so we signed them up for soccer because that's, I don't know, maybe the easiest of, you know, kids, team sports, I don't know, at least you don't have to buy um a bunch of pads and stuff like you would for football.
Noah B: And they both really, really love soccer. They both play it at like recess at school and stuff like that. And so they're really into it. And so they wanted to play and we're like, all right, well, if you do this, like, this is gonna be a commitment, you're gonna have to go to every practice, you're gonna have to, you know, show up for your team, you're gonna like, we're not missing any games, like, you're gonna have to commit to this, like, you're gonna have to be serious about it.
Noah B: And they're like, okay, let's do it. And so then and now it's on me, because now I have to be the one that you know, I'm much rather
tyrellknifeworks: Of course.
Noah B: practices, you know, they're all for it. And me, I'm the one that's like, no, I really don't want to. But so all, I mean, there is literally between the two of them, there's like one practice pretty much every day ah of of the week, and then games on Saturdays.
tyrellknifeworks: Oh, that's brutal.
Noah B: It's, it's like all of my time other than I mean, I'm job that I come home from work, I'm there for like, maybe half an hour after ah after work. And then I have to go to a soccer practice and then we have to figure out dinner, which is late because we've just been at soccer practices, um like legit, kind of like in survival mode, just like trying to like exist here at, uh, eight and 10.
tyrellknifeworks: And how how old are your kids again?
tyrellknifeworks: Eight and 10. Yeah.
Noah B: So yeah, there.
tyrellknifeworks: and And they're both boys, right?
Noah B: Oh yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. Yeah. We had this. Yeah. I got two boys two years apart. Never did the sports thing only because when they were little, we were like, and my ex -wife.
tyrellknifeworks: We were like camping every weekend or doing something every weekend, so there's no way that the sports would work because we were always off doing something.
Noah B: Mm.
tyrellknifeworks: um We were never home on weekends, so that never worked for us.
Noah B: Gotcha. Okay.
tyrellknifeworks: But looking back, I wish it probably would have been better for them to be in sports.
Noah B: I'm not mad at it. It's just like it's just a struggle right now. it's just that It's a huge time commitment and an energy commitment because you have to schedule all these things and you have to do this and that and the other thing.
Noah B: um But man, is it fun to like sit down and watch your kid play and like they're actually pretty good at like the game that they're playing and you get to like root for their team and you get to boo the other team.
Noah B: I'm just kidding. i don't booth i don't I don't boo the other
tyrellknifeworks: those parents are yeah
Noah B: Yeah, no, no, but I did meet one of those parents. You know, like the the the classic, like, ah I don't know what it what do you call it? um You know, the character.
tyrellknifeworks: the overbearing over anxious parent kind of
Noah B: the No, the the asshole sports parent, you know, the one that like yells at the other team and like ah you can hear him yelling like fouls and like yelling at the yelling at the refs and like all the other stuff like it's a like he's got money writing on the game like it's the most important thing and not just like a kids sporting event.
tyrellknifeworks: the the the
Noah B: Yeah, there was one of those on Saturday and that was something else. Like it was a full on argument like between coaches and like screaming.
tyrellknifeworks: Wow.
Noah B: I mean, it was, yeah, this is for 10 year olds.
tyrellknifeworks: And this is for 10 year olds. Like you're that serious, but imagine if it was high school or something.
Noah B: Yeah, this guy's a real piece of work. I was like, wow, dude, really?
tyrellknifeworks: Well, a couple of weeks ago, I went to my grandson's he's five. right, and went to his little soccer game.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: And it's like, it's like a hornet's nest around the ball, like, because they they don't have the, they're five, they don't have the concept of passing, right?
Noah B: Right.
tyrellknifeworks: So it's like, they're all literally like, you could see where the ball is, because there's like 10 little kids around the ball, like the whole time around the field. It's very, cut very cute.
Noah B: Everyone's trying to get the ball out, but all that does is just keep hitting other people's feet and it just like shuffles its way across the field.
tyrellknifeworks: yeah Right. yeah Yeah. Yeah.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. It was fine. And it was the kids against the parents. I didn't, play his mom played, but I was just watching and yeah, it was pretty crazy.
Noah B: Oh.
tyrellknifeworks: And one of the, dad this is the crazy part. One of the dads in its parents against the kids, one of the dads is trying to score, like, like literally score on the kid. I'm like, you're playing against a five year old.
tyrellknifeworks: Really? And he actually scored on that.
Noah B: he Oh my gosh.
tyrellknifeworks: I was like, don't be a dick.
Noah B: ah There's one in every group, I guess.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, take it a little too serious. but Yeah, I mean, I got back Monday, we flew back from maker camp. And then I had a bunch of orders that I knew I ah could not take. I figured I was going to be in the shop for like a half day, because I had orders, I had like sand sharks to go out and a bunch of things. And so by one o 'clock, I was done and I went to bed.
tyrellknifeworks: And then the whole week it was throwing me off because Monday we traveled. So I kept thinking that Tuesday was Monday and I'm like, and I had a class to teach Thursday, Friday.
Noah B: Mm, okay.
tyrellknifeworks: So I literally only have Wednesday and I have to finish my apocalypse or challenge video. I have to prep for the course. I have to, what was the other thing? Oh, and I had to do my video, my Thursday, triple T video.
Noah B: All right.
tyrellknifeworks: I had to do all that on Wednesday knowing that all day Thursday, all day Friday. So I just kind of annihilated myself and I just cranked myself up on drugs Thursday, Friday to get through the class.
tyrellknifeworks: And yesterday was like, never, never got out of the pajamas and stayed on the couch. So that was rough.
Noah B: Nice. Oh, man, I'll bet that's a lot to pack into a single day. Those of you who are listening who have never edited a YouTube video have no idea just how much of a struggle that would be.
Noah B: Like that is brutal.
tyrellknifeworks: I mean, I, I edited probably 75 % of it on the plane. um yeah ah so ah really i had to I had to tape the cut test for the video and then like edit in a bunch of pieces, put the music in, stuff like that.
Noah B: Oh, that's good.
tyrellknifeworks: so i mean It probably took me two hours. but
Noah B: Okay, that's not right.
tyrellknifeworks: But I had to, I knew I had to do it all. I had had actually was just taping, getting the cuts for the cut test, like getting all those clips, which is like, that takes longer, like the setup and getting the shot right and then getting the beauty shots at the end and but so.
Noah B: Speaking of which, we should, we should kinda probably mention the fact that, uh, the apocalyptic challenge is in full swing right now. And I've seen some really great entries on the ah Facebook page of, I haven't seen his yet.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, there's some really great ones. ah Dustin from um Art of Crashmanship had his at Maker Camp and he went above and beyond and made three different weapons. um Yeah, and he basically, he freeze -framed one of the shots from Furiosa.
tyrellknifeworks: And like at one point, Dementis or whatever throws three weapons on the ground and tells these guys to fight for the last position or whatever. I forget the scene.
Noah B: Okay.
tyrellknifeworks: And he made those three weapons. Like, like it was, it was pretty good video.
Noah B: No kidding. Huh.
tyrellknifeworks: All of them are great.
Noah B: All right.
tyrellknifeworks: They're they're all great.
Noah B: Well, I struggle with watching YouTube, so I haven't watched all of the the entries even though, you know, they they came out a day ago. You'd think I would watch them all, but that's a lot of time. um
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. I haven't watched them all yet.
Noah B: Oh, okay. All right. Well, I did watch yours and I don't want to like spoil this for the listeners because they got to go watch it. But like the amount of talking that you did in that video was intense. There was there was a lot there. There's a lot of information that you had to get across.
tyrellknifeworks: i probably talked I probably got more comments about the amount of talking in this video than any comment that I've gotten.
Noah B: Oh, really?
tyrellknifeworks: Yes.
Noah B: I'm not surprised to hear that.
tyrellknifeworks: everybody ah god but I don i'm tried tried an experiment because I'm going to talk a little YouTube knowledge here, but I talk in my videos. The specific reason I talk in videos is because I don't want people to fast forward.
tyrellknifeworks: I feel like if I'm saying something interesting, they're less likely to fast forward and they're going to watch more of the video. It's that simple. The only downside of doing that is, and I don't like watching a video where someone is talking in a language that I don't understand. So that's the downside. You're going to get, you probably get more engagement from in English speaking people less engagement or zero engagement and views from non -speaking people.
tyrellknifeworks: So I just tried this as an experiment to see, am i goingnna get what are the geographies of the views I'm getting? Am mean I getting more views from you know other geographies that don't speak English?
tyrellknifeworks: And is that going to help my views? like It's too early to tell, but the video is actually not tracking that well. So maybe I'll re -release it, I don't know, with narration.
Noah B: Huh.
tyrellknifeworks: so i
Noah B: That's really interesting that you say that, okay. and i have it And I have an admission. This is the first of your videos where I actually did skip ahead to see what was happening next.
tyrellknifeworks: See?
Noah B: That's interesting that you say that. It it was completely subconscious. I've never done that with one of your videos before. But I actually did. I was watching it and I'm like, well, I know what he's going to do next. And so like I skipped, you know, a little bit ahead because I was crunched for time to watch the video before I had to do something.
Noah B: And I just kind of like skipped ahead a little bit because I was like, oh, I'm not missing anything. I know what he's going to do in this next step.
tyrellknifeworks: Right. So see, it works.
Noah B: Huh, it works. You're right. You've been manipulating me subconsciously this whole time.
tyrellknifeworks: and
tyrellknifeworks: Absolutely, as much as I can.
tyrellknifeworks: um So yeah, that was the thing about the video. um Also, I would have been up till two in the morning, but doing the narrations for it, but which is fine.
Noah B: Yeah, sure.
tyrellknifeworks: I'm usually doing that, but we'll see how it does. um And it's just something different. It was a fun build to do, that that one. um I probably straightened that blade.
tyrellknifeworks: Jeez. Like, so he treated it warp like crazy in the video I show straining it with the straining hammer, which I probably hit not exaggerating. I probably hit that with the straining hammer five to 10 ,000 times.
Noah B: Yeah, I'd see that because you hold the blade up afterwards and you can see all the dimples on it and it it looks like a golf ball spread out across the whole thing or like more than a golf ball.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. Yeah.
Noah B: It's ridiculous.
tyrellknifeworks: It took me an hour of, and I'm like, dinginggingnicking d dingty like, it it took me an hour to do that. And then, and that was because, i and I didn't do any bevels. I did all my bevels post heat treat.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: As soon as I did the bevels on one side, it warped, which I figured it would. I was hoping it was going to come back when I did them on the other side.
Noah B: Mm.
tyrellknifeworks: That didn't happen.
Noah B: ah
tyrellknifeworks: So then, and of course it can't use the straightening hammer anymore. because I'm down to, and not I don't want to grind off more. So then I'm down to three point jig with a ah piece of angle iron.
Noah B: yeah
tyrellknifeworks: Luckily I've got the big oven, right? So I can just put it in the oven and and probably did that six to eight times.
Noah B: Sure. Yeah.
Noah B: Six to eight. Oh, my God.
tyrellknifeworks: And then the the the crazy thing is that when I was sanding it on one side, it It was warping and luckily it did come back from sanding the other side, like right at the tip, like the the front six inches, warped just ever so slightly, but it did come back.
tyrellknifeworks: So lots of grief on that blade, but it came out nice.
Noah B: So are you saying you're never going to use leaf spring ever again? Is that what you mean?
tyrellknifeworks: ah Leaf spurring is not my favorite. it I do not understand these guys that like like Eric Rivers, who was like hand hammering leaf spring.
tyrellknifeworks: Like, like the half inch leaf spring and hand hammering that out.
Noah B: Jeez.
tyrellknifeworks: I'm like, I know, thank you.
Noah B: I mean that was me when I first started out because that's what I – I mean I was like I'm not making good knives.
tyrellknifeworks: Cause.
Noah B: You know I'm just learning so I'm going to use reclaimed steel rather than ruined good steel that I could buy which looking back on it that was probably not the best idea because it – man it sucks to hand hammer out leaf springs.
tyrellknifeworks: Leaf spring.
Noah B: Oh my gosh it just sucks.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. And with copper, you can't get it. heat the heat, the temperature you would normally get it to forge because you're trying to keep it under that, you know, around that 1800. So you can't like get it up to 2000.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: And where it moves really well, you can't do that.
Noah B: Right.
tyrellknifeworks: So there's no way you'd be hand hammering this build.
Noah B: No, and you can see that in the video you could you could see just how cold it was that you were pressing it out and it was like, that's not moving very much.
tyrellknifeworks: It would
tyrellknifeworks: no no it wasn't at all but but it worked out and um the uh the guard and everything else like turned on the lathe and you know the little sprockets on the end of the guard and stuff like that so and the rest of it was fun
Noah B: My favorite part of the video was when you were manipulating the copper pipe. And I don't know why, but like my favorite part of the whole build was was when you stuck the copper pipe into like the, the rolling mill and it turned it from like this, like janky, like nasty, you know, just like all weird shaped and it was like all nice and smooth just coming out of the rolling mill.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: It was like, ah, yes, that was, that was nice.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. That, that did help. and And I was kicking myself like, why didn't I do this earlier?
Noah B: Yeah, I mean.
tyrellknifeworks: Cause I was like whacking it on the anvil, which actually made it worse because of like the divots and stuff on the anvil. Uh, I should have, as soon as I spread it apart, I should have just sent it through the rolling mill, but I didn't even think of it.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: But as someone else asked me, like or they were laughing at me, like, I bet you hated spreading out that copper.
Noah B: Very cool, man.
tyrellknifeworks: I'm like, yeah, because five feet away from me is 25 feet of nicely rolled copper that I could have just cut.
Noah B: Uh.
tyrellknifeworks: so And then casting the skull for the the pommel was fun too.
Noah B: That looks fun, yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, which actually had my my Foundry kept kicking off early so why I didn't show it in the video because I was like too many hands But I actually had the foundry on the floor in the on the in the driveway.
Noah B: Okay.
tyrellknifeworks: I've got my oxy torch Pointed into it. I've got it on but I had to leave for some reason as soon as I closed the lid like it would kick off I don't know something like I think thermocouple is gone or something like that.
Noah B: That's random.
tyrellknifeworks: So I was like Oxytorch in the crucible plus it's on just trying to get this thing melted in order to pour it But finally got it done not the only I think someone that didn't wait did someone else do No, it's a couple of people did Damascus.
Noah B: Yeah, it turned out awesome, man. It figures you would be the person to come up with a ah challenge that's fully reclaimed steel and still do a copper mine. I was not surprised at all.
tyrellknifeworks: I don't think anyone else did copper.
Noah B: Yeah, there was some people who used some bandsaw blades for 15 and 20.
tyrellknifeworks: I
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, that was JP.
Noah B: Okay. I need to find, uh, I'm going to try and go on this, the Facebook group here real quick because I need to shout out my favorite, um, my favorite entry so far, which is someone forged a golf club. Did you see that?
tyrellknifeworks: I did. In fact, I was, he sent me the picture and I, I, I do want to talk about this one because I get the pictures of like all the entries, right?
Noah B: Right. Right.
tyrellknifeworks: And I got the picture I'm looking at. I'm like, I don't get it. Like, cause I see the, the piece of metal and I see the golf club. I'm like, what did he make?
Noah B: Yeah, that was my reaction first, too.
tyrellknifeworks: And I was really, I was really confused. And then I get, Oh, he made the golf club. And then I thought, okay, that's really cool. Um, yeah, that one was way out of the box.
tyrellknifeworks: I thought I liked that one.
Noah B: Well, and that's that's the thing. It's like everybody's making these cool like Mad Max things with Craig Selinger. That's the guy that made the golf club. And he did it out of a railroad spike, I guess.
Noah B: um Yeah, inspired by Fallout New Vegas. Nine iron made from a broken lawn chair and a railroad spike. I mean, that's.
tyrellknifeworks: Just the fact that he made something else so you would normally take apart to make something else.
Noah B: That's.
tyrellknifeworks: Like, yeah.
Noah B: Exactly, yeah, way outside the box. I freaking love it. That that was super cool. I mean, don't get me wrong, like there's some amazing, you know, craftsmanship and a lot of the other builds, but just like the balls to just like I'm going to make a golf club like that's well done, sir.
tyrellknifeworks: Well, the fact that you and I didn't realize that what at first that it wasn't an actual golf club, you know, that's that's pretty cool.
Noah B: Yeah. Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: And then we had a couple James, uh, I'm going to butcher his last name, uh, abscess or whatever. I forget his last name, something like that. He actually did three different builds.
tyrellknifeworks: He did one, he got done early, like weeks early, the big acts.
Noah B: Oh yeah. Yeah. Okay. I saw that. Mm -hmm.
tyrellknifeworks: And then he did another one. I forget what his second one was. And then he submitted a third one of that's the one he actually submitted. So I thought that was pretty funny too. but I haven't actually gone through.
Noah B: That's pretty cool.
tyrellknifeworks: i I respond to everyone said, yeah, we got them. But in the next couple of days, I'll put those together and all the participants and judges will start voting on the best viewer entry.
Noah B: Nice. And the so do ah viewers get to vote on the um the viewer submissions?
tyrellknifeworks: No, no, viewers view viewers just vote on on the the YouTube channels.
Noah B: Those are just judged.
Noah B: Right. Okay.
tyrellknifeworks: And then the all of the YouTube channels, the judges, And actually, um and we've done it before. It just depends if they get a chance. But we even let the sponsors vote on the best viewer.
Noah B: Oh, cool. Oh, that makes sense. They're the ones that put up the prizes for it.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, right.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: So that would be pretty cool.
Noah B: Nice.
tyrellknifeworks: But um yeah, it was um it was good. And if yeah I was the only one to do Kuma, but if you didn't have Kuma yourself and you didn't want to make it, where would you go?
Noah B: Where would I go? ah I definitely don't want to make kubai.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: Well done to you for for that whole thing, but I just buy mine from Baker Forge and tool.
tyrellknifeworks: exactly if you want you want the best kumai out there go check out the boy the koi and the boys at baker forge they got amazing dry and i'm not going to say what the drop is because every time our show comes out tuesday it's always gone um i think it's like some riptide one this week i forget oh
Noah B: Yeah.
Noah B: No, they came out with a new pattern. It's actually a diamond pattern.
tyrellknifeworks: oh
Noah B: So it's called bronze my damn let's damn damn Damascus core they call it damn core diamond and so it's literally just like a bunch of little tiny diamonds in a pattern that's been pressed into the steel and then ground off so it's kind of akin to like raindrop but it's diamond pattern raindrop because of the dyes that they use but smaller yeah it's it's super cool
tyrellknifeworks: Okay, it's more like like a crisscross ladder. I've done that before with the diamonds. That's cool. Yeah. Oh, oh cool. I'll have to look at that and get some inspiration. But folks, go check out Baker Forge. Use your discount code TTT10. Not that HG stuff. You want TTT10 for 10 % off your order. Also get the app and get get a get the early drops in the app.
Noah B: And don't forget gator or piss because it's the best etch on the market.
tyrellknifeworks: Yes, of course.
Noah B: And even if you don't want to dabble in the, in the copper mine and stuff like that, if you make your own Damascus, like I do, you still need that gator piss because it is absolutely the best etchant and I love it.
Noah B: I use it on everything that I etch. I use that stuff.
tyrellknifeworks: Cool. So let me talk a bit about maker camp and what that was.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: We got to get you to maker camp someday.
Noah B: One of these days, I'd love to make it. Yeah, it's just, uh, yeah, for sure. Let's hear about it.
tyrellknifeworks: so if you don't know maker camp is is basically like it is a camp meaning it's at the blackthorn resort which you can get a cabin there um there's a lot of rooms um or you can tent camp okay but be warned it's october in upstate new york so it can be really chilly at night it'll get sometimes and get down into the 30s I think the low low was like 42. But um it's nice. It's during the day was beautiful. It was like mid 60s, like just perfect weather for for that kind of thing. But um it's a bunch. It's all a bunch of makers were actually my knife makers are by far a minority. um blacksmiths and knife makers. If you include all the blacksmiths, it's probably I don't know, we are probably
tyrellknifeworks: 15%, maybe 20.
Noah B: Oh, wow.
tyrellknifeworks: But um ah like you name it, there was woodworkers, welders, um ceramics, glassblowing, leatherwork, ah flint knapping, stonemasons, like any kind of maker you can think about, they were there, pretty much.
Noah B: That's insane that all those, all those different demographics are like in one place.
tyrellknifeworks: and
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, and you can, and usually, every one of these tents has usually different participation things that you can do. And a lot of them cross, like you get, you go to the welding tent and you get a, maybe one of these pre -cut, I think they have flowers.
tyrellknifeworks: So you can make these flowers. So you, um you go to the welding tent and they had them like um plasma cut out of sheet metal, and then you weld it onto a stick.
Noah B: Mhm.
tyrellknifeworks: And then you go to, the blacksmith tent and you heat it up in the fire and you bend the pedals and then you go to the broad back tent and you um use the grinder and clean it up.
tyrellknifeworks: And then you can go to the powder coating tent and then powder, like all of these different, it's a way for you to visit all of the, all of the things.
Noah B: that
tyrellknifeworks: That was pretty cool.
Noah B: That's cool. So here's the question that I have about maker camp. Okay, because I doubt that it's like a free for all type of scenario. So is there like some sort of like sign up thing that you have to do to get involved with these different projects? Like surely you can't just walk into a tent and just like pick up a hammer and start forging, right?
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. There, there are specific times for the like, Hey, they're going to do the, you know, the, the, the leather tent had like, you can make a little leather koozie and there was specific times like, okay, you get two o 'clock and at four o 'clock and they only had so many people.
tyrellknifeworks: So you had to get there early and get in line. If you wanted to do that little event, that's usually how it went.
Noah B: Gotcha. Okay, but it's free. It is kind of free for all though. Like if you have a ticket to maker camp, you show up and you can participate in all these different things as long as you, you know, get there at the right time.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely.
Noah B: That's so cool.
tyrellknifeworks: And in the first year, um, I went, there was no cost. The only thing I found that, that you could pay for was I, um, there was these basically prefab, um, cross cut, uh, cutting boards.
Noah B: Mm hmm.
tyrellknifeworks: And then it's basically pre -shaped and glued, but it's not surfaced. So then you would go to the guy and he would say, okay, what do you want done on it? And he would on the router table, on like a big, not a CNC router table, but a big router table.
tyrellknifeworks: And he would do the edges and sand the top and put the, the, uh, whatever the grease, yeah, the groove and make it look nice.
Noah B: groove in there and everything.
tyrellknifeworks: And, and they were 20 bucks, like for, uh, you know, a 12 by 20, uh, cutting board.
Noah B: Jeez.
tyrellknifeworks: Um, really nice. Like, I don't mean just plain wood, like, like, yeah.
Noah B: No idea. I'm picturing it. That's amazing.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. And they I turned a pen the first year, which was cool. You pick your little wood block and you turn it on a wood lathe and stuff like that.
Noah B: Ooh.
tyrellknifeworks: Last year we did, uh, Jaron and I did Flint napping and made arrowheads, which was fun. I'd never done that before.
Noah B: It's like every kid's dream right there.
tyrellknifeworks: Right. Yeah.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Um, this year being as it was my third one, um, didn't do too many events. I like to watch a lot of the demos. um Josh Prince did a demo of um Forge, not just Forge to finish, Forge to Sharp.
Noah B: yeah Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: um Basically, he only sharpened it. He didn't even grind bevels on this knife.
Noah B: That sounds like Josh.
tyrellknifeworks: An integral Forge to Sharp um knife. Reko did a bunch of demos. on Damascus and um um what am I trying to say?
tyrellknifeworks: um Material management, like how much to use, and some really good talks.
Noah B: Mm.
tyrellknifeworks: ah Jay Nielsen was there. He did a talk on like an open question session. Doesn't sound like they're taping new episodes, Fortune Fire, by the way, if you were interested.
Noah B: Mm.
tyrellknifeworks: They're only airing the ones they already have. Um, so that was interesting. But the, the most fun of maker camp for me is at night because unlike blade show blade shows, like, okay, you go to the, go to the bar or whatever and you chat with friends, but at night you can continue like all of the broad back tents open till midnight.
tyrellknifeworks: The, the, the forging tents open till midnight. So we started forging um like eight o 'clock Friday night and we were the in the Broadback tent forging a knife.
tyrellknifeworks: um Me and actually one of one of my one of my students went and so he and he and I were forging a knife and Josh was forging a knife at the same time Friday night.
Noah B: That's cool.
tyrellknifeworks: So that was really fun. And then Saturday, Brent Smith forged his first knife, um which was an integral.
Noah B: Oh, okay. So it's not like he was ambitious or anything.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, right. Oh, it gets better. So Brent and Jared at the same time are forging integrals being helped by Lawrence maritime knife supply.
Noah B: Okay.
Noah B: Okay.
tyrellknifeworks: We'll talk about them in a second. So Lawrence, who's also, and we always say Lawrence is also a knife maker. So see he's helping them with the integral. Brent's never forging anything before. Jared has, but never an integral. And then beside them, Mareko and Cody Santos, they're forging integrals beside them. So I'm like, oh, Brent, no pressure. You're you're only forging beside Mareko.
Noah B: Oh, that's brutal.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: Well, how how, how do they, how do they turn out? I mean, I got to know.
tyrellknifeworks: Great, great. um the We were using the Broadbeck power hammer, which is, it's it's a smaller power hammer.
Noah B: Oh, cool.
tyrellknifeworks: um You couldn't do Damascus with it, but it's great for forging blades.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: um i I think it got a little away from Jared at one point and it screwed up his part of his knife. And then Sunday night he ended up fixing that, but it got a little, he had to change the design a little bit.
Noah B: Oh, cool.
tyrellknifeworks: But Brent basically forged one of his I think it was a thicker clipper, ah one one of his models. I'm pretty sure it was a thicker clipper, but I could be wrong. Maybe it was an albatross or something like that, um but forged one of those with like a big integral handle.
tyrellknifeworks: So like a solid steel handle.
Noah B: Oh, so no handle material at all, just like a full integral handle.
tyrellknifeworks: I don't think so. Yeah, it looks, it's a full handle.
Noah B: Nice.
tyrellknifeworks: So yeah, it looks, it looks cool. So yeah, it was fun to watch those guys.
Noah B: That's awesome.
tyrellknifeworks: I just sat there on a chair with a beer and watch them watch them forge, it was it was fun. But definitely, like I said, I always say Lawrence is, he's a maker, he knows what makers want and need. um So go check out Maritime Knife Supply for all your knife making needs, whether it's steel, abrasives, handle material, equipment, tools, they got it all. So go check out Maritime Knife Supply.
tyrellknifeworks: um And I was bugging Lawrence. I'm like, come on, Lawrence, now that I'm into folders, wouldn't you start going to start carrying folder equipment? And he said, yeah, it's on the way.
Noah B: No, of course it is.
tyrellknifeworks: so So that'll be good.
Noah B: Well, i i just I just got to say Lawrence helped me out when I was first learning how to do integrals. um Because like you said, he knows how to forge integrals. And so he helped me out a little bit um when I was first doing it.
Noah B: And the steel that I chose to learn how to forge an integral with was the hexagonal stock that he sells.
tyrellknifeworks: That's what we were using. That's what everybody was using.
Noah B: It's, it's such a great way to learn. I mean, because I've I've since made, you know, Damascus integrals and things like that, which you know, the billet is, you know, whatever size you finish off the billet, you know, before you when you finish your pattern, you know, that's what you forge your knife out of. And you kind of have to figure out how to manipulate it in order to make the pattern flow the way that you want it to. But when you're first learning how to do it, just having that hexagonal stock that just fits perfectly,
Noah B: into a pair of bolt jaw pli - uh tongs and you can just keep everything lined up with the flats that are already on it. Like it is the way to go and I mean there's nothing wrong with a uh mono steel integral.
Noah B: I mean it still looks beautiful.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: It still looks great and it still is balanced in a way that I like personally. I love the balance of an integral because it's just so much easier. You can just adjust that.
Noah B: that bolster however you want it to—to have that balance. They're so comfortable. So I highly recommend that—that 1080 hex stock that he sells. so And he sells it in different thicknesses too. So I mean if you can get it in like a seven -eighths or like a one -inch or I'm not sure what all the thicknesses he has. But I think it's the seven -eighths that I prefer. It's just the right amount of material. um You don't have to thin out the bolster too much. It's not too heavy when you get your chunk and uh— Yeah, really easy to manipulate. It's great to forge. So.
tyrellknifeworks: So when we were there, Lawrence turned, I think it was the one inch he took, i I'm guessing about a one inch by two inch long piece of hex stock and made an integral hatchet.
tyrellknifeworks: I mean, it wasn't, it didn't have a bolster, right? It was just, but it was an integral handle and a hatchet head and like a spike tip.
Noah B: Okay.
tyrellknifeworks: And he, he was just like, he was like, could I do it?
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: And basically it was pretty thin at the end, but um it was pretty cool watching him. He worked on that thing all weekend.
Noah B: Nice. So full handle and a spike and a hatchet head out of a two inch chunk of Wow.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. Of one inch. I think I'm pretty sure it was one inch. Maybe it might've been one and a quarter.
Noah B: Okay.
tyrellknifeworks: It seemed pretty big, maybe one inch. I don't know. Um, but yeah, he did it.
Noah B: That's impressive.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: Awesome.
tyrellknifeworks: But um yeah, maker camp was super fun.
Noah B: Good stuff, man.
tyrellknifeworks: ah We stayed with um Brian house and Sarah got an Airbnb. So we stayed with them and Brent and Liz and Ryan from Nome hammer and his wife.
Noah B: Oh, cool.
tyrellknifeworks: So all of us stayed there. In fact, we've we, we even went back, so they had, there was a hot tub at the house. So Sunday night we're like, it it was raining. So we're like, screw this, we're gonna go back to the house at like seven o 'clock or eight o 'clock and we jumped in the hot tub. And yeah, that was pretty fun.
Noah B: Awesome. So the one thing that I hear about maker camp, probably more often than anything else is this thing called a maker swap.
tyrellknifeworks: Yes.
Noah B: What, what was that like this year? How did that go?
tyrellknifeworks: So, you know, I've had mixed results on the maker swap. um I always put in a knife the first year I brought um on integral hunter, mono steel integral hunter, um which yeah as you can imagine is not that cheap of a knife.
Noah B: sure
tyrellknifeworks: And I was, you know, I i was less than enthused about what I got back, but it's just like the draw. And I'm sure whoever made it was, and I know who made it.
tyrellknifeworks: I don't want to kneel the person, but you know, I'm sure they're really proud of it. And the second second year I got um this nice painting, um it um I ended up giving to my son who loved it, but I didn't really I haven't really got anything that I was like wow like this is really cool this year this year I got something that I thought was amazing and I'll show it to you hold on one sec So this year I got this axe
Noah B: Gotcha.
Noah B: All right, this is some really good ah really good radio content right now. Whoa!
tyrellknifeworks: this double bit axe and check out the handle.
Noah B: Is that carved?
tyrellknifeworks: Yes.
Noah B: So for the listener, okay, so it is legitimately, it looks like a quilted pattern.
tyrellknifeworks: It's actually seeing, it's actually seeing seed. So yeah.
Noah B: at engraved into the into the handle all the way down.
tyrellknifeworks: So
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. So in fact, that brings me to my um my maker spotlight for this week, who is the um ah who made this.
tyrellknifeworks: And that's Burch told
Noah B: Okay.
tyrellknifeworks: Birchtold Design Build, one, no spaces. and Just check the the podcast notes. And I think his name is Nicholas Birchtold, but he makes these and he makes all kinds of stuff.
tyrellknifeworks: He's a maker and just so you can see pictures of this axe on his Instagram.
Noah B: Okay.
tyrellknifeworks: So when i when I got this, I was like, well, that's the coolest thing ever. It'll never get used. This is gonna stay on a shelf, um but it's really cool. The handle is Podak Paduk, however you say that would.
Noah B: Duke? Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: So it's a nice red and it's a double bit axe.
Noah B: Mm hmm.
tyrellknifeworks: Not that I chop anything down with an axe.
Noah B: Sure. Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: So yeah, MakerSwap is cool.
Noah B: It's just bang that.
Noah B: That's super cool, man.
tyrellknifeworks: So.
tyrellknifeworks: And there's there's some really, like people, some people go really overboard on some of the things they do for maker camp to the point where like, you're going to ship that to me, right?
tyrellknifeworks: Cause it's huge. It's not going in my suitcase kind of thing, but, um but this luckily just barely fit in my suitcase.
Noah B: Oh, geez. Okay. All right.
tyrellknifeworks: So, so it was pretty cool.
Noah B: Not a carry on, I'm guessing.
tyrellknifeworks: No, no, definitely a check back.
Noah B: That's super cool, man. That is awesome. Well, I'd say that, like you said, it's just kind of luck of the draw. You you know, you bring your best and eventually ah it all, works you know, it kind of all works out in the end.
Noah B: And it sounds like, uh, I'd say that happened.
tyrellknifeworks: Right.
tyrellknifeworks: yeah Yeah, you go enough times it averages out. that's That's how it works.
Noah B: Nice.
tyrellknifeworks: But I think you just got to appreciate whatever you get. And, you know, sometimes it'll be something that you like and if it isn't, you know, gifted to a friend, that kind of thing.
tyrellknifeworks: so
Noah B: Well and that's the thing about you know what we do. It's all personal taste. You know we make what we like and everybody else makes what they like you know. So it all you know you just got to be able to just kind of appreciate where everybody's coming from and keep in mind that everybody's making to their skill level you know when they're putting into it. You know it's such a gigantic pool. I mean there's all different skill levels that are going to be putting into that pool of you know maker swap stuff. So you just got to keep that in mind.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: Well, so you did your maker spotlight, I think I should probably just go ahead and and go right into mine. One ah thing that you mentioned earlier is Janie Olson talking about and fortune fire episodes.
Noah B: i I started smithing because I was watching Fortune Fire in 2020 when I was laid off. um
tyrellknifeworks: Me too.
Noah B: you know like There's a bunch of us out there. like That's just why we started. you know and And for whatever reason, it stuck. um But my viewing of Fortune Fire has just kind of tapered off since then. I haven't really watched a whole lot of episodes. I haven't you know kept up on the new stuff because I haven't wanted to to like buy seasons of it because I don't have cable or anything like that.
Noah B: um But I recently kind of got back into watching it and the boys—the boys love watching it. You know, it's—they just really enjoy watching it and they like, you know, just like anybody else. They try and, you know, say, oh, this guy's gonna win at the end or, you know, whatever else. So we're eating dinner the other night and and watching this episode and, you know, they introduced the contestants at the beginning and I look up from what I was eating, I look up and I'm like, Andrew!
Noah B: Andrew Slaughter from Trinity Forge was the second contestant.
tyrellknifeworks: oh
Noah B: And I'm like, I talk to this guy all the time. You know, we send each other metal memes and stuff, you know? Like, that's super cool that he's, ah I had no idea because I don't keep up with, you know, Forge and Fire anymore. i didn't know if I didn't even know he was on Forge, on an episode of Forge and Fire.
Noah B: Sorry, Andrew, if you're listening. I didn't like, you know, I didn't didn't know. um And then the next thing I know, I look up, Ira walks out. Ira housework is up right after him, and I'm like, Ira!
Noah B: And my wife's like, are you going to yell out the next contestant, too? I'm like, what i'm like well, I kind of know i mean like kind of know that guy, but I've never talked to him before, but like i mean I know who he is.
tyrellknifeworks: Maybe.
Noah B: but but Yeah, so it was Andrew and Ira standing right next to it. It was like one of the funnest times that I've had watching Forged Empire because I know these people that are that are competing.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: It was great. and I was like, oh man, I feel sorry for everybody else that's on this episode because Ira is going to win. like this just i mean For those of you who don't know who who Ira is, he is an amazing smith.
tyrellknifeworks: yeah
Noah B: and like he just hes he's ah He's a blacksmith, okay? Like, he's not really a bladesmith. He makes blades on occasion for fun. The rest of the time, he's forging sculptures of elk to go onto fireplaces, or he's literally building bridges, literally, you know, that sort of stuff.
Noah B: And he just makes some of the coolest artwork ah down there in Colorado. And so I wanted to shout out Ira because I feel like he's a, I don't think enough people know just how skilled of a craftsman he is. And he just does some of the, my favorite work that I see out there is done by Ira. And you he did this cool thing a while ago where he was, um he was like burning spots onto the side of trout.
Noah B: And he just, you know, he does these amazing metal sculptures and he did, you know, they just turn into like bicycle racks. It's like, can you imagine like walking through a city and seeing that cool of a piece of art that's just there for you to chain your bicycle up to? Like it's just unbelievable. um And, you know, spoiler alert, if you guys watch that episode, like I was right, you know, I.
Noah B: I re, I re, I re one, you know, it's, it's, uh, not surprising at all. Uh, excuse me. So anyways, I just wanted to shout him out because it was super cool to be able to see him and Andrew, people that I know competing on the show.
Noah B: It was super awesome. And, uh, of course he did an awesome job and, uh, I just love his work. I just, one of, one of my favorite people whose work I just enjoy seeing because he does some crazy out of the box stuff, uh, with all of his different sculptures and things that he does.
Noah B: So that's who I got.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. And I actually thought for sure he had been a maker spotlight on the show before. Um, I know we've talked about him on several occasions, but it looks like he was never been an actual maker spotlight.
tyrellknifeworks: So it's good that you called him out and
Noah B: and Okay, awesome.
tyrellknifeworks: Ira has over 67 ,000 followers because just the stuff he shows on Instagram just is just goes viral for some of the some of the reels he's put out about doing um the pores of aluminum and different things. yeah Just really cool stuff. like Even if you're not in our sphere at all, it's cool to watch.
Noah B: Maybe I misspoke when I said he was underappreciated, and I didn't know he had that many followers, but oh oh well.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. Yeah. He's got a lot. Yeah. Like the, when he does those sunflowers and like just really cool artwork stuff.
Noah B: Yes.
tyrellknifeworks: So very cool.
Noah B: Yep. Either way, still well deserved. So yeah, i like you say, even if you're even if you're not into it, like he's he's got something that he's making that everyone will appreciate.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. So I've talked a lot, talked about maker camp. I actually, I wanted to talk about um your, the run you did, and I'm gonna get this stileco, stilico, how do you say that?
Noah B: You got it right. Still a go.
tyrellknifeworks: Okay, the stilico, so how did they do? you You sold those out pretty quick, right?
Noah B: I still have a couple left, but yeah, no, I did great.
tyrellknifeworks: Okay.
Noah B: um I had a few that were actually pre -sold, and I didn't really advertise that, but you know I was doing this as kind of like a first run. i've I've never designed a knife before, where before I put it up for sale, I went around and found as many people as I could to put it in their hand.
Noah B: And I was specifically looking for non makers, because makers, as you know, like we think about things differently than customers, we just do. And so I put this in the hands of specifically hunters, because it was designed to be a hunting knife, and people who do just other random stuff, you know, and I got really, really good feedback, and probably the most positive feedback that I've ever gotten on any knife that that wasn't just like, ah superficial, like, Oh, hey, you know, cool pattern, or, you know, things like that. Like, it was, very it was a very utilitarian knife that I was designing. And i I just I wanted it to be made for a specific purpose. And I actually got feedback on it that
Noah B: was exactly the intended purpose. I wanted a knife that had a full size handle, but it was a really short blade that was easy to manipulate when you were using it for game. And people, that was the first thing they said. It was like, oh, this would be perfect because it's small enough to where I can manipulate it, but I can still get a good grip on it.
Noah B: And it's honestly it's just an evolution of the first time I ever tried to make an EDC I made it like a little two finger thing and I did it fat and I did it with and no no handle scales. It was just bare steel with I drilled some holes in the handles for weight and I made it like quarter inch thick and I just made it like a chisel like just like you can't destroy this knife. You can use it for prying open boxes. You can use it for batoning through stuff like just wanted to make it bulletproof and cheap and Those were really popular.
Noah B: I sold a lot of those back in the day. and But I just didn't like the way that it cut like it's it's just a chisel like it just I struggled with with getting an edge on it that I was satisfied with like yes, technically you could shave hair with it but you can't slice anything with it, you know, like it's too bulletproof, you know,
tyrellknifeworks: yeah
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, a little too much like like an axe wedge kind of thing.
Noah B: Exactly, yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: like
Noah B: So the next iteration, I did some handle scales that had you you know the exposed tang all the way around because I like that design. I think it looks cool. But in the end, I was dissatisfied with how imprecise it was because these are the whole point of it is to be able to make these things quickly so that I can sell them for a low price and just get knives in people's hands.
Noah B: And I spent so much time trying to get you know the exposed Tang perfectly even all the way around get the radius on the Tang even so that it you know it's comfortable in the hand and it just turned into this thing where I just I decided I hated the knife I couldn't get the kydex right I couldn't get it sucked. And so I wanted to just completely go back to the drawing board and I was inspired a little bit by one of your videos where you used a router to router the handles.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: And I'm like, one of the things that I spend a ton of time on is I love facets, and I love making my handles like intricate, and creating facets and spending a lot of time making them perfectly even, you know, both sides, and I wanted to just make a quick and simple knife. And so quarter inch G 10 router the sides, hit it with a slack belt, hand sand it for five minutes, and it's done, you know,
Noah B: And with the bolt -on scales, I just—I spent so much more time on the process of this knife than even and really anything else, which I wanted the process to be something where I could—it was easily repeatable that I could make a lot of these and sell them for a low cost because I wasn't spending a bunch of time doing it. I could just knock them out and it was just a really easy repeatable way to do it.
tyrellknifeworks: How big was the batch again you did of this Stolakos?
Noah B: and
Noah B: It ended up being a total of 11. My goal was to do 10, but then I had one person that wanted one that was in a specific color, so I just did an extra one in that color. um And so yeah, so out of the 11, I only have two left, so I can't be mad about that.
Noah B: It was super great, yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: um
tyrellknifeworks: So how was your experience on the batching? Do you like it?
Noah B: I hate it. um I really wanted to love it. um i think I think the mistake that I made was I tried to do too many. I think I am comfortable and I know people are gonna laugh at this, people who do like big batches and stuff.
Noah B: I think five is the appropriate batch for me.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, I'm like I'll do six so they're in pairs, but yeah, I can't do more than that
Noah B: I think, I think, okay, yeah. I think five is—I think—I have a tiny shop. I'm part -time, you know, and so it—you know, i'll I'll spend an hour in my shop and that might be all I get for the day. Well, I need to be able to get one full process done in an hour. like Otherwise, it screws me all up. So if I can go out there and shape five handles and that's what I got done for the hour, I feel accomplished, you know.
Noah B: So and heat treating, I think is the biggest bitch. I think heat treating five blades at a time is like perfect. I think five at a time is great.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: um Especially when you're talking about stainless, where you have to have either cooled plates or swap out plates or or whatever it is that you have to do. I think five is ideal for a small shop for me to being part time.
Noah B: And so that's what I'm going to do in the future.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, and five and six is just enough where Because what I do when I set my, whatever, I set my oven, if it's whatever, 15 minute soak, I'll set my oven for like 25 minutes and then it's 15 minute mark, I'll start taking one out, right?
Noah B: Mm hmm.
Noah B: Sure.
tyrellknifeworks: And so the oven is still on for the rest.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Well, you got to think the last one has been in there. You know, if you do more than five or six, that means the last one's been in there like twice the time as the first one.
Noah B: Sure.
tyrellknifeworks: So it's growing some grain, it's it's not the same quality potentially as the first one. So that's the other thing I worry about doing these large batches where you're heat treating them one at a time and not like what Gunstone's doing with like taking it out and quenching the whole batch, which is really cool, but obviously you can't do with stables.
Noah B: Yeah. Yeah. Well, I have worked out a little bit of a system. um So I have the house made rapid quench and I can fit five of those stilicos in those plates at one time and get a good heat treat.
tyrellknifeworks: Right.
tyrellknifeworks: Oh, that's cool.
Noah B: So that is what I was doing with that. The problem is, is that then you have to heat up the next batch. So you can heat treat five at a time. Then you have to do whatever with your oven. You got to do five more and then and In the meantime, ah exactly, yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, that's a half an hour. i'm like
Noah B: And so you you literally have to have to set aside an entire day for heat treating because then your oven has to cool down. You have to ah you have to temper them all. I mean, it's it's a whole day.
Noah B: So anyways.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, du the tempering itself is I do tempering so that I'm set up. i um time Much to my wife's dismay, I still do all my tempering in the kitchen oven.
Noah B: Do you really?
tyrellknifeworks: ah I do just because I never wait for the... I should get a tempering, even heat tempering oven ah so I can do them in the shop.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: But no, I'm i'm usually in the the the kitchen oven and I came in around dinner time or after dinner and then I know I'll do two cycles and then it's right about when I'm ready to go to bed and the second cycle's done.
Noah B: Wow, some people would say that that is not a good temper because the the temperature of the oven is not consistent enough.
tyrellknifeworks: It's a pretty good oven.
Noah B: Because it
tyrellknifeworks: it's It's a Viking oven, so it's really, I have the temperature gauge for it, so I know it's really accurate.
Noah B: o
tyrellknifeworks: So it's it's pretty accurate.
Noah B: All right, fair enough.
Noah B: All right, well, good for you.
Noah B: But no, yeah, I would.
tyrellknifeworks: You're making fun of my oven.
Noah B: It's a bougie oven, man. And so I'm saying Ryan's not here to Ryan's not here to razz you about your bougie oven.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, well.
Noah B: So I have to um I could i I couldn't get I couldn't get away with it.
tyrellknifeworks: He would, too.
Noah B: As soon as when I first started, I was using canola oil. to quench carbon steel in and so I could get away with, you know, tempering knives in the oven because it just smells like french fries.
Noah B: Parks 50 does not smell good once you stick it in the oven in the kitchen.
tyrellknifeworks: Just just wash it with dish soap first I Never smell it because my wife would tell me um ah Yeah, I find if you wash them with their soap then you don't smell anything and if she's not home, I'll just do it without why Honey, I hope you're not listening
Noah B: yeah yeah There's still some I don't know i I still got some smell. Oh, really? Okay. All right. Well, maybe I was doing it wrong.
Noah B: Huh?
Noah B: It's a little bit of toxic fumes. It's fine.
tyrellknifeworks: But yeah, it it it does.
Noah B: ah
tyrellknifeworks: It is a whole day. I mean, that's I usually set up. So I'm I'm doing something else. And I'm like on the side, I'm he treating knives because I know that's like.
Noah B: Oh, of course. Yeah, you have to. Otherwise you're just. It's just a waste of time.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, and the last batch I did was chef knives. Hence, I meant one at a time because, you know, I can't really fit two of those in my quench plates at a time and even doing
Noah B: Mm hmm.
tyrellknifeworks: Doing five at the end, of course, those got to be hand sanded. So doing five of those was like, shoot, I did six.
Noah B: Yeah, oh, yeah. Well, at least you have your little machine to help you hand send them.
tyrellknifeworks: Yes. Yeah, that did help.
Noah B: I'm sure that helps.
tyrellknifeworks: It did help, especially with the hollows with the S grinds in the center of each one.
Noah B: Oh, that's right. You did S grinds. Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. S grinds and tapered tangs on every one of them. So, uh, yeah, and they're pain in the butt.
Noah B: Damn.
Noah B: What was the ah how come you did the taper tanks just for
tyrellknifeworks: I just love taker taper tags. i just um I think it's a cool effect.
Noah B: Mmhmm.
tyrellknifeworks: And um yeah and I don't have to drill. I have to worry about like um extra weight relief holes or any of that stuff.
tyrellknifeworks: I don't like um grinding the hollows in the in the handles for those because i they tend to warp um because you never get them precise on both sides. I used to do that.
tyrellknifeworks: I used to have students do that. um for a class because a lot of times in you you teach class and they don't the knives never get properly annealed because you don't have that much time.
Noah B: Sure.
tyrellknifeworks: They can't they can barely get their two pinholes. Drilling more holes for weight reduction is not in the card. so I used to have them grind the like the ah hollow in the handle and Inevitably the handle would warp.
Noah B: Well, I just do mine post -C tree.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, not now that's what I, well, I do them, oh, you mean grind the hollows post -heat treat.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, but now I just have these carbide bits and we just drill them pre -heat treat with all the the weight reduction with carbide bits. So no issues.
Noah B: Gotcha. All right. I learned how to do taper tanks early on ah due to, well, not, I guess, poor material management because I was learning. So my tanks would always just inevitably end up thinner towards the end because I hadn't learned exactly, you know, how much material I would need when I was forging.
Noah B: And so they would just end up with a tapered tank, whether I wanted them to or not. And so all of my early knives have tapered tanks.
tyrellknifeworks: No, it was on purpose.
Noah B: And that was just, it looked cool.
tyrellknifeworks: No, it was on purpose.
Noah B: Oh, yeah, absolutely. Of course. All of my early knives just ah looked that cool because they had taper tanks.
tyrellknifeworks: no i love I love the look of the taper tang. I think it just looks cool, especially on a chef knife and makes it nice and balances the weight out nicely.
Noah B: Oh, for sure. Yeah. Nice.
tyrellknifeworks: So um I got one other topic, but hey, have you got a fun game for us to play? Did you bring something over from Hustle and Grind?
Noah B: I do. I did. Yeah. So, uh, if the listeners aren't familiar with the hustling grind, uh, when I came on the show, we decided we needed to.
Noah B: get the listeners a little engaged, have a little bit of fun. And so we came up with a number of different random little games to play. I used to listen to a lot of radio growing up. And so but all the like little radio game shows were always like really interesting to me. So we came up with this one called fake news. I think everybody's familiar with the term by this point. But the way the game is played is I i take three um just random news stories, things that people send me.
Noah B: ah All these are listener submissions and I have two real ones and one that is just fake facade. It is satire.
Noah B: It is fake news. And normally I have a couple of people here, but right now it's just Dennis and you listeners at home who get,
tyrellknifeworks: Well, all the pressure's on me.
Noah B: although ah You got a lot of pressure on you ah who get to determine ah which one of these is the fake news. So, all right, got three news stories. We begin, and I'm just going to read the headlines straight how they are. I lost 125 pounds and decided to get a divorce. Woman who changed her life after she saw a Bigfoot is suing California after national park officials say it was just a bear.
tyrellknifeworks: that That headline is all over the place, but I i do believe it's California, but okay.
Noah B: lot lots lots of Lots of ins and outs there. um we can We can go back if we have to.
tyrellknifeworks: yeah
Noah B: Joyrider flies private jet through the eye of ah Hurricane Milton.
Noah B: And lastly, large section of Canada loses power after stranded man cuts down power poles to draw attention to himself.
tyrellknifeworks: Okay, you need me some details on these, especially the first one.
Noah B: Okay, so the first one all right, ah so I don't even know how to describe this one um Yeah, I don't even know where to go with this
tyrellknifeworks: She sees Bigfoot and then loses 125 pounds and gets divorced.
Noah B: Okay. yeah I don't even know, man. This, this, this, this is all over the place. She lost 125 pounds because seeing big Bigfoot changed her life. And now she is suing the California fishing game or whatever, because they claimed that it was just a bear.
Noah B: And she's convinced that it was actually Bigfoot. And that's what changed her life.
tyrellknifeworks: Hmm.
Noah B: Okay.
tyrellknifeworks: That one's so out there that it could all ah could be fake news.
Noah B: that
Noah B: it it could be i don't know
tyrellknifeworks: I think you put that one in there because it was California just for me.
Noah B: next one is
Noah B: Did I, would I do that? I don't know. Um, and then, yeah, the next one was pretty self -explanatory. You know, somebody just, uh, decided to fly a private jet through the eye of a hurricane as one does. Um, so here, I believe that was while it was in Florida. So I think that kind of, uh, explains that one a little bit. And then, yeah. Um, like, I think was it half the province or like all of the province lost, uh, lost power in Canada because a stranded man, uh, chopped down a
tyrellknifeworks: Hmm. Didn't say what province.
Noah B: ah No.
tyrellknifeworks: So, okay.
tyrellknifeworks: oh See, here's my thinking. the the The first and the last, you definitely put in for me because there's Canadian content and California content.
Noah B: Yes, there is.
tyrellknifeworks: um You spent so little time on the second one. I don't know why, but that one's jumping out at me as fake news just because the other two are so detailed. um
tyrellknifeworks: it probably is very feasible that someone would chop down one pole in like Manitoba and half the province would lose power.
Noah B: Oh, here we go. just Northern suca Saskatchewan.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, same thing. No, if there's like 12 people that live there.
Noah B: Oh, okay.
tyrellknifeworks: I mean, now I'm going to get a hate mail from all the, I'm from, I'm from Saskatoon, eh? Um, uh,
Noah B: There's a lot of stuff here, man.
tyrellknifeworks: I'm going to go with the middle one as being fake news, even though it's completely plausible. I think you seeded that one. It just sounds too final answer.
Noah B: Okay.
Noah B: All right. Final answer.
tyrellknifeworks: milton ah I knew it.
Noah B: Private jet flying through the eye of a ah hurricane, huh? Well, I mean, I don't know if I did that to myself, but well done. That was that was absolutely the fake one. ah The first one was too ridiculous to be fake, honestly.
Noah B: i don't I don't think a satire writer could write a headline that's that unhinged.
tyrellknifeworks: I was gonna be really impressed if if that one was the fake one.
Noah B: um
tyrellknifeworks: Cause like someone put a lot of work into it.
Noah B: the ah I think the ah to to the Canada losing power, I believe that's referred to as the Northeast blackout of 2003.
Noah B: Nobody here in America has heard of it because it's Canada and I mean, who cares? Like you said, it affected 12 people probably.
tyrellknifeworks: Like, right?
Noah B: but Apparently, it was a big thing, but yeah, this guy got stranded and had no idea where to where to go, so he just chopped down a power pole. It took him days to figure out where the outage was coming from, and but eventually they found the guy and he was saved. They didn't actually press charges against him, which I thought was kind of impressive, um you know Canada being you know filled with nice people.
Noah B: um
tyrellknifeworks: I just googled it. What do you think the population of Saskatchewan is?
Noah B: The whole population, I don't even know which province that is or where it is.
tyrellknifeworks: it's the one the It's the one in the middle.
Noah B: The one in the middle.
tyrellknifeworks: It's like the the prairies.
Noah B: Oh, okay. All right. The snow covered tundra. um I'm going to go with the total population of 37 ,000.
tyrellknifeworks: Oh, come on. You're a little off, but but you're not way off. Uh, as of April 1st, 2024, the population of Saskatchewan is 1 .2 million.
Noah B: Okay. All right.
tyrellknifeworks: It's actually bigger than I thought, but yeah,
Noah B: That's bigger than I thought. ah I was a little rude in my guess, but that's fine.
tyrellknifeworks: but okay.
Noah B: It's like the whole, I guess the population of the the metropolitan area in where I live, basically.
tyrellknifeworks: Right, yeah. But I mean, to put it in perspective, the population of Canada is roughly the size of the population of New York City.
Noah B: The whole population of Canada.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: of one city?
tyrellknifeworks: The the population of Canada, the entire country, is roughly equal to the population of greater New York City.
Noah B: Good Lord. That's insane.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: There's some big cities in Canada though I thought like, like I've been that's a big city in my opinion, but I live in the middle of nowhere.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, Toronto is like three million, maybe four.
Noah B: So whatever.
tyrellknifeworks: yeah popular Oh, sorry. it's it Population of Toronto is six million. That's the largest city by far. When your largest city is only six million. Well, let's see, population of Canada since we're on here.
Noah B: Well, let's just go ahead and find out we need to know the people need to know the listeners aren't going to go Google this themselves.
tyrellknifeworks: population 40 million.
Noah B: Wow. Okay.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. Yeah. So New York is okay. Sorry. New York is 20 million. So it's half the population of New York, but they used to be much closer.
tyrellknifeworks: They used to be like, maybe it's New York state, but whatever it, it, uh, considering the size of the size of, uh, the country.
Noah B: Okay, gotcha.
Noah B: Well, it's huge. Yeah, that that is pretty significant.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. Yeah.
Noah B: Huh?
tyrellknifeworks: Well, okay. Enough dumb stats about population.
tyrellknifeworks: But that was a good one. um But you did not fool me.
Noah B: I'm impressed. I mean, you're right. I did leave a little bit out there. Um, I didn't have much to go on because, uh, half the time when I get these, it's like, it's literally just a meme. That's like, uh, like a facade of like a news headline. So there's no real like content to it. So I kind of have to make up content to make it sound real. And I guess I didn't put enough effort into that one. So
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, it was just, it wasn't enough on that one to make me think that, yeah. All right, good. Well, thanks. That was fun. ah We'll see how everyone else did.
Noah B: Absolutely.
tyrellknifeworks: I want to see if you're going to be on with Jared next week. Let's see if Jared gets it.
Noah B: Oh, that's right. I got to come up with a good one for Jared too.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: I'll have to think hard. I'll go through my my stash of stories. I'll come up with some good ones.
tyrellknifeworks: yeah So I have a topic I want to talk about but it might that one might go a little long So what other items you want to cover this podcast before we get into my last topic?
Noah B: Okay, the only other thing that I had a couple different things that I was going to talk to you about, but um I think the most important one is I was going to ask you, you got your your Bowie tattooed on your arm.
Noah B: What's what's next?
tyrellknifeworks: this um Yeah, I don't know ah i Tattoos really got to speak to me, so I'm not going to rush into just putting another knife or a hammer or something on my other arm.
Noah B: Okay.
tyrellknifeworks: So I'm not in a hurry. It won't be in the next six months or a year probably. It'll probably be a little while before I put another one, but I do have plans. I am going to get one in the same spot on the other arm.
tyrellknifeworks: I just don't know what it is yet.
Noah B: Okay. Okay. Because for me, I got the first one that I got was the the tongs. And as soon as I got the tongs, like it just like bit me like a bug.
Noah B: I'm like, I got to get more like there's, there's got to be something.
tyrellknifeworks: But that wasn't your first tattoo, was it?
Noah B: My first tattoo was my wedding ring, um which I got when I was 22 or 23. And then my first tattoo after that was was the tongs. So i I had this this weird, well not weird, but i have I've always had this idea where it's like, if I wanna get a tattoo, I'm gonna think about it for a year, and if I still think it's a good idea, I'll get it.
Noah B: Well, I was 34 before I finally got my, you know, my tongs. So that tells you how many random ideas I had over the year that that I just decided not to do and I'm glad I didn't. um But the tongs was one that I came up with when I first started forging. So back in 2020, I came up with the idea of getting, you know, the tongs on the tong hand and the hammer on the hammer hand, which I thought was really cool and original at the time. And then I, you know, started hosting a podcast and found out that it's not original at all and I wasn't the first person to come up with that idea.
Noah B: But I still went ahead with it anyways because it had been two or three years and I still wanted to get it. So I was like, all right, I'm just going to do it.
tyrellknifeworks: I follow the same recipe if if I'll wait and if it's not something interesting to me and a couple of months later a year, same thing.
Noah B: And.
tyrellknifeworks: It's gotta be, it's gotta mean something.
Noah B: Yeah, so I mean, shout out to all the different people out there who will just get random tattoos and are just they can just accept it. And even if they don't think it's cool later on, they just like to whatever it it's what I did at the time. and and now it's part and you know Ryan's like that.
Noah B: You know he's got tons of tattoos and he he'll just get tattoos for fun. Good on him. That's just not the way that I that i can go about it. My brain just won't allow me to do that. um So okay that's a fair point.
tyrellknifeworks: But I also think once you get 15 or 20 tattoos, like 16 or 21 tattoos, it doesn't really matter, right?
Noah B: Yeah like once you reach a certain point it's just kind of like whatever. um But yeah and then the ah the hammer was really I didn't, you know, i I wanted to wait until I found out, you know, like ah I wanted to get a hammer that I really, really liked. And then the first time I bought one of John john Norwood's hammers, I bought a cross peen and I just quickly found out that that was the hammer that I was always reaching for. I was like I just loved that cross peen and then I picked up one of his rounding hammers because I know there's gonna be some purists out there who will talk about the fact that
Noah B: You know, back in the days, they didn't have rounding hammers and the cross pain was the only hammer that they had. And it's the traditional blacksmith tool, but I really like a rounding hammer for bladesmithing. I'm not a blacksmith.
tyrellknifeworks: I do too.
Noah B: I just, I love a rounding hammer.
tyrellknifeworks: and
Noah B: And so I got that one on my arm because as soon as I bought that rounding hammer from him, that was, I mean, that's the hammer I use for almost everything. um I didn't expect that my tattoo artist was going to be so detailed ah that she put, because he numbers all of his hammers, and she put his maker's mark and the number of the hammer on the hammerhead on my arm. so ah But that's fine. you know It's cool. um i did I did message him before ah before I got it. It was like, hey, man, just so you know, like I got to think about getting this tattoo. Are you cool with me putting one of your hammers on my arm? And he's like, dude, go for it. That's badass. So I absolutely love it. and
Noah B: I just take this opportunity to mention that ah his – I'm sure everybody's heard what happened to John at this point. um But his GoFundMe is, as of this morning, just shy of 125K, which I think is phenomenal.
tyrellknifeworks: That's great.
Noah B: And ah you know, everybody has –
Noah B: you know You know, everybody's gotten something from the knife making community and the opportunity to give back is always great. I think that a lot of joy in life comes from giving. You know, I think that receiving is is great but you just you just can't live on that alone and I personally get a lot of joy in my life from being able to give as much as I can. um You know, not to a detriment of course but when I'm capable of doing it, you know, giving back to what I've been given.
Noah B: And I think the the fact that everybody's come together to support somebody who is very deserving of it, like John, has been super super awesome. So I just wanted to make that positive note on there real quick.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, john John's a great guy and he's, you know, he's had a terrible thing happen to him. we We all want to see him back in his feet. But i will John is one of those guys, you know, you just want to you want to have a drink with him. Every time I always find him at Blade Show, we always have a drink. We always have a great laugh. He's so cool to be around. He's really hesitant.
tyrellknifeworks: Infectious attitude and humor to him. He's always in our challenges and Has is the only person in all of the challenges we've done. He's the only person to have beaten me at a challenge John Northwood So he's a great guy and I love him and we all hope him and wish him the best and I hope they double that number and he gets to 250
Noah B: That's right. Yeah.
Noah B: Absolutely. Yep. So that being said, there is still opportunity. You guys can still get on that GoFundMe. And the other thing is, is that ah Maggie, I believe his sister, ah is posting updates on that GoFundMe.
tyrellknifeworks: yeah
Noah B: So if you guys want to know what's going on with John, I mean, he's posted a little bit in his stories um now that he's, you know, up and around um now. um I saw some stories from him the other day of him going back and kind of picking through what used to be his shop, which was really sad.
Noah B: But, you know, there's been some really positive stuff as well. So go check out that GoFundMe, even if you can't, you know, even if you just aren't capable of giving to it, check out the updates, you know, it's a good way to keep updated with it.
tyrellknifeworks: Yep. And his hammer. I have, I mean, I got a lot of hammers there in a couple on a couple of different anvils for classes and stuff, but on my main anvil, I got John's hammer cause it's a rounding hammer, which I love.
Noah B: Yep.
tyrellknifeworks: My go -to hammer is the two bastards fat peen hammer. Um, which is the one I forged with at maker camp and also what Brent and Lawrence and um Jared were they were they were doing the triple peen and Jared's got a picture of like the three.
Noah B: Wow.
tyrellknifeworks: um Sorry, no, it was Massaro, my student that was there, him and Jared and and me. We are all fortunate with um the two bastards straight peen hammer. So if you need a hammer, go check out two bastards. You can also pick up the Vaquero, which is sold through maritime knife supply, which is the two bastards exclusive hammer for maritime knife supply. So go check out Frank and Nita over at two bastards, Texas Smithian supplies.
Noah B: Absolutely and if you guys want to know anything more about ah those guys, we actually ah had him on the show over on Hustle and Grind so you can go back and listen to that interview and hear a little bit about kind of where he came from and how he got into hammer making and I would be remiss if I didn't say because Jared's not here to say this. Ain't it grand to have a fat peeing in your hand?
tyrellknifeworks: That's right. Jared's going to be so happy to hear that.
Noah B: Just for you, Jared, I said it. Just for you.
tyrellknifeworks: oh All right.
Noah B: So what was this what was this topic you wanted to talk about? Do we have time?
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, we got time.
Noah B: Okay.
tyrellknifeworks: um I don't think that maybe it's not going to be all that long, but. And and I don't want this to come off. First of all, I don't want this to come off like elitist or anything like that.
tyrellknifeworks: This is just an observation, so maybe this is just a hot take, but.
Noah B: Ooh, hot takes, I like it.
tyrellknifeworks: So I want to talk about complacency and, you know, to me, and I'm pretty sure you're the same way, like good enough is never enough. Like I'm never going to stop at, yeah, that's oh of course, there's some point when yeah, I'm working on one project and you know, this is at my skill level.
tyrellknifeworks: Okay. And i'm maybe I'm trying to push the edge of my skill level, but on the next build, I'm going to try to make it better and better and better.
Noah B: Right.
tyrellknifeworks: And if you're not pushing yourself to improve, you're just pumping out the same stuff over and And I'm not going to name names, but there are some makers that I keep seeing like
Noah B: Oh, jeez.
tyrellknifeworks: Maybe it's the same mistake on a blade. Maybe it's the just the same blade over and over. And I look at it and it's like, how come you're not pushing yourself? And i I'm not talking about the guys that are doing batches of 50. Of course, they're you know they're pumped they're trying to pump out the same blade. I'm talking about the guys doing customs or one -offs or something like that. And i know what's your take on this? like I look at that, I'm like, you saw that mistake, right? like How come you didn't fix that?
Noah B: Sure. um So I have a couple of different observations about that. um Number one is I think that there – I agree there's always room for improvement. And I think that it's difficult for makers who are by themselves to maybe get blind to mistakes like that. Like I don't know what mistakes you're specifically talking about. but I mean, I'm sure that there are things that I do on every blade that I could do better, but there's nobody there to tell me, you know. um So I would encourage people to, um you know, seek out some sort of ah education, I think is always the number one, you know, try and try and find somebody that you can learn from who can point out little simple mistakes that you can fix easily.
Noah B: um and And I think that, you know, in -person learning or there's a number of really great makers who have online classes. I'm thinking about Jason, ah Jason Knight, Nick Rossi has a good one. and There's also a number of different people who have Patreon.
Noah B: ah pages that you can subscribe to their Patreon and get hands -on assistance just one -on -one talking where you can, you know, hey, I'm having this issue or you know, do like a quick video and say, hey, critique this for me and tell me what I could do better and because you're paying them, you know, you're on their Patreon, you know, they're gonna take that time to help make you better and I think that's always a great way to go. um As far as your observation about people pumping out the same stuff,
Noah B: That can be a hole that you get in from custom orders and I know that because I got into it. ah The simple handle design that I have started doing with my Stilico is a result of me trying to get out of my own box. um I you know came up with this handle design that was based off of the Jason Knight handle design because I took his Forge series early on.
Noah B: And I started doing these facets with it. And I basically have made this same handle on every knife that I've made for the last two or three years. And I'm like, I just want to do something different. But when you try and sell a customer, you're like, Hey, we could do this handle design, and we could do this handle design. And they're like, No, no, no, I want it like this one that you made.
Noah B: And as soon as you have a customer as soon as you have a customer saying, no, no, I want this exact knife, and you're like, well, I don't make the exact same knife over and over again, but sure, we can make it similar, you know but what if we did this?
tyrellknifeworks: That's a good point.
Noah B: No, no, no, I want it just like this. And so you end up like in this hole where you end up having to make the same thing over and over again because that's what the customer wants, because that's what they've seen you do. And if you're part -time like me, you don't really have a whole lot of time to do experimenting and be able to show off different styles that you can do to make people want other things than what they've already seen you do for orders.
Noah B: And that's where selective uploading comes in. And there are a couple makers out there who do this really, really well. ah The two people that come to my mind immediately are ah Jordan from JB blades and ah Colton Arias, barbell blacksmith. Those two guys do not post all of the work that they do.
Noah B: And I know this because they have told me. They post things that they liked making so that they can inspire their customers to order the things that they like doing. So that's one way that you can get out of that hole.
tyrellknifeworks: Film.
Noah B: ah there I had no idea. Jordan makes a bunch of full tang stuff. I've never seen a full tang knife from him because he doesn't post it because he doesn't want to make it. But that's what he gets, you know, stuck in this, you know, he gets stuck in this order thing. So you can adjust your social media presence, you can adjust your website to making things that are a little more outside the box, if that's what you want to do. So you don't end up in that hole of just making the same thing over and over again.
tyrellknifeworks: That's ah that's some really good points and about what to make. In fact, you know, I get the number one thing I get asked for is that stupid copper domestic tonic.
Noah B: So I've heard.
tyrellknifeworks: I'm really, really sick of it. But even though I've only ever made one, but I'm just the thought of it and the fact that I'm going to I'm about to start on two more next week.
Noah B: yeah
tyrellknifeworks: um But yeah, Most of that question wasn't wasn't necessarily around designs. Maybe I didn't articulate it well. I'm more meaning that thee the fit and finish and the like the mistakes in a knife and that kind of thing.
tyrellknifeworks: um But you're right. to Totally about the guys that are having to do custom orders and they they have to deal with what people want.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: And that's just a fact if you're taking customs.
Noah B: Mm hmm. Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: So, but just something I'm, was kind of mulling around and, you know, bit I think the the the mention of, I think show your knives to as many people who are going to give you a good reti critique um and not just blow smoke up your ass.
tyrellknifeworks: Um, and, uh, the masters, Mike Fainino, my master Smith, um, he, he's funny cause he'll like, and ask Jared cause this is like, he, he'll, Michael drop his glasses down into look at, uh, you know, over his glass and he's like, and he's looking at your knife and he's going to like, and he literally said to Jared, well, do you want me to give it to you or do you want me to kiss your ass?
Noah B: Oh yeah, for sure.
tyrellknifeworks: And and you gotta you gotta meet Mike and no Mike and like the way he said it was funny but as in you're about to get it if he if he really gives it to you and But he's gonna get he's gonna make it real.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: He's gonna give you good feedback So's question berry and these guys like you tell them you want to critique. That's what you need to do and Don't ask for hey, what do you think of my knife?
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Who who was it that? um I think if Fader was saying that ah Bob Kramer would say, if he ever saw something in a knife he didn't like, he'd go, oh, that's interesting.
tyrellknifeworks: It was like, now every every time I hear that that, like I remember that part of like, you know, if Bob bob Kramer sees something in a knife, he's like, oh, that's interesting. I'm going to use that in the future when somebody hits me and I'm like, oh, that's interesting.
tyrellknifeworks: You know, like if they didn't ask me to critique it, I mean, but
Noah B: ah Right, right. I have something similar that I have used in the past in many different scenarios, not just specific to knife making is all refer to something as unique.
tyrellknifeworks: Yes.
Noah B: That's that's unique.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: Mm hmm.
tyrellknifeworks: And i I have a solid rule. Unless someone asks me to critique a knife, I'm only going to tell you, I might mention some minor things like, Hey, you know, you could have done this and stuff like that, but I'm not, someone just hands me a knife.
tyrellknifeworks: I'm not going to start ripping it apart unless they ask me specifically to do that.
Noah B: Oh, of course not, no.
tyrellknifeworks: But.
Noah B: Right. No, somebody hands me a knife and and, you know, doesn't say that I'll tell him all the things that I like about the knife and hand it back to him. If they, you know, like Jared at blade show handed me one and he's like, All right, here we go. And I'm like, What do you mean? Here we go. And he's like, Give it to me. i'm Like, you want me to give it to you. Like you want, you want me to critique this and you want my honest feedback on every single aspect of this knife. Just so we're clear. He's like, Yes, every single thing. I'm like, Okay, here we go.
Noah B: And that's a totally different conversation than if, you know, like you have to be ready for it.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: And coming from me, I mean, like I'm not, I'm not anybody really who, who can really critique a knife, you know, like some of the people you were talking about, but, uh, you know, still you, uh, you have that different mindset for, for each.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. And I think some homework for everybody is go take one of the knives you're most proud of and go get it critiqued. Honestly. Um, you know, go ask someone that you respect.
tyrellknifeworks: Send me a picture. I'll gladly do it. Anybody. um
Noah B: Oh, you're opening up the floodgates there man.
tyrellknifeworks: a
tyrellknifeworks: i've I've done it for patrons many times. Like, and i'm I've gotten on the phone with people and gone through knives. Happy to do it. um But, you know, don't be complacent. And whether it's, if it's stuff, the worst part, the worst part is people that are told something's wrong with their knife and still don't fix it.
tyrellknifeworks: That's when, you know, as as someone are looking at knives, that's when you stop giving them critique because they don't take your advice anyway.
Noah B: That's what we call an asshole. Are you familiar with the term asshole?
tyrellknifeworks: Yes, I am. ah Someone asks for advice but never takes it.
Noah B: Yes.
Noah B: Yes. And they constantly ask for advice and it just never changes. It never has any effect, but they're asking to the degree where it gets annoying. I've worked with many assholes.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: No.
tyrellknifeworks: and All you people out there, if you think we're talking about you, you should think about that.
Noah B: No, no, no. Dennis is talking about you. um i'm i'm I'm just here. i think I think what Dennis is trying to do is is be encouraging. like it's you know ah i but and I've said it many times on my show, you are not good enough. and I mean that in the most positive way possible. and I mean that about every aspect of your life. You are not good enough.
Noah B: But that is encouraging because it gives you something to strive towards. you know You could be a better father. You could be a better husband. You could be a better knife maker. And that should be an encouraging thing. It shouldn't be a critique or or so you I'm not blasting you. It gives you something to strive for. ah We need that in life. If we get complacent, we die. like That's just what happens. So having something to strive towards, having a goal to to move towards,
Noah B: is essential for life. and I'm not just trying to sound like Jordan Peterson here and and talk to you about you know like a certain way that you're going to have to live your life within this paradox where like you know there's monsters and dragons. and then you know In some real sense, what you really got to think about is the goal that you're moving towards. but but really like ah in some real sense.
tyrellknifeworks: It's a pretty good impersonation.
Noah B: In some real sense, I think ah it is important to have goals and and and ways to improve in your life. And and I think that's what makes life makes life enjoyable, is having those goals and stuff to move towards.
tyrellknifeworks: yeah
Noah B: and
tyrellknifeworks: It's at every level. It's not just the new makers that need to everyone, you, me, Moreco, everyone has to not be complacent with where they're at.
Noah B: Yeah.
Noah B: a
tyrellknifeworks: And hearing hearing the, Moreco did a really good um demo at Maker Camp where, you know, most of us, if you're tiling Damascus, here's a great ex example.
tyrellknifeworks: We all think, yeah, you just like cut it on 35 degree angles and you tile it out and then you press it in, you know, that's how you make mosaic. He challenged everybody. He's like, that's not how he does mosaics anymore.
Noah B: Mmhmm.
tyrellknifeworks: He doesn't tile like that. And he gave, he went through the whole reasoning of why he doesn't tie like that and where he gets distortion and why he goes for these little micro billets.
tyrellknifeworks: And like, this is like, like next level thinking for knife makers where, you know, and it's a perfect example of not being complacent with the only way to get a mosaic is to do a tile weld and overlap the tiles and that's how you do it. um So yeah, don't be complacent to get out there and improve. um I myself just learn folders. I'm still novice at folders. I'm not selling folders. I made three and I just finished ah the folder course. I'm showing you guys the basics of how to build folders.
tyrellknifeworks: um You know, I don't think I'm an expert by any means. I'm just taking you guys along for the ride. I have yet a chance to watch that series at all.
Noah B: Yeah.
Noah B: Yes. And as somebody who does not aspire to build folders at all, it was actually still a really interesting watch. um The size of some of the holes that you're drilling and threading was just like, what the fuck, man?
Noah B: like Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: That was, that was gave me, gave me the most angst before I took the course. Cause tapping holes is it let's face tapping holes is a pain in the ass. Tapping holes that are like two number two, 56 tap.
Noah B: Mm -hmm.
tyrellknifeworks: That's scary.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: But once you get over your fear, it's actually really easy.
Noah B: But yeah. i
Noah B: Well, maybe one day. Maybe maybe one day. i'll i'll i'll see and And I think I ah agree with you, with you know you for yourself. You went and and took a hands -on course. If I was going to learn folders, I would probably want to do the same thing.
Noah B: I don't want to be in my shop by myself watching your video, trying to do it myself as much. I mean, I i think your videos— I think your videos are great.
tyrellknifeworks: I agree. I think everyone should go take the course.
Noah B: And I think that for a certain mindset, they could watch that video and come out with a really great folder. It's just not me. I feel like I would definitely have to ah see about coming down to California and and and learning that, you know, firsthand.
Noah B: I think that would be the only way that I would really be able to get into it.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. And I, it just, I think it having that person over your shoulder gone, Oh no, don't do that. Like don't do this.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Like I even made mistakes. Like, From when I took the course to the second time, I tried to drill through two layers. I thought I was being a smart ass and I was going to tap two layers of titanium instead of just doing one at a time. Broke the tap as soon as I tried it. um So little things like that and just having Mike over my shoulder going,
tyrellknifeworks: You know, and he's pretty funny. He's like, what are you doing here? Like, come on, don't do that. He's funny here. Did you take that to the disc grinder? Like, no, it was like, get over there.
tyrellknifeworks: So good stuff. And then I was happy. I screwed something up when I took the course. I ground too much off of the lock face on the blade.
Noah B: Oh no.
tyrellknifeworks: Which means you got to redo the whole lock liner.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: It's like a day's work almost. um And then you got to redo both liners because they got a match and that never happens if you were to do them separately, right?
Noah B: Oh shit. Oh yeah, okay.
tyrellknifeworks: um And then Mike said, oh okay, well, here's how we fix that. And I would never have thought of peening, basically like using the straightening hammer to lengthen the block bar.
Noah B: right I remember you had that in your video, didn't you?
tyrellknifeworks: I did it in the video um because I thought that was so interesting.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Like, hey, if you screw up a little bit, here's how you fix it. Like those are the gems you take away from a course that, you know, it's the old, um we I used to play a lot of poker and we used to say like the old success is a terrible teacher.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Just because you won this hand doesn't mean you played it well.
Noah B: Mm -hmm.
tyrellknifeworks: It just means you got lucky. So if something works the first time and you think it's easy and then something goes wrong, that's where you really face the challenge.
Noah B: I I have faced that in knife making many times.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: Honestly, you try something the first time and it works out and then the next time it might not go so smooth. And that's when you have to learn all those little work arounds when you're when you're working by yourself, you just have to figure it out and come up with solutions yourself.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. So it's been fun.
Noah B: Yep.
tyrellknifeworks: I love doing folders. I think they're, You know, I definitely will be doing some more folders. I probably will have a really high end folder at blade show next year, like a couple high end Damascus ones. I'm not, I'm never going to be doing these things in batches. Like they're just, I think there's so much effort that goes into one folder, doing them in a batch and selling them for what, four or $500. Like there's just so much time into them.
Noah B: Right.
tyrellknifeworks: that like and way more compared to like any other kind of knife. And I don't think you would see it. You wouldn't get it back unless you're charging thousands of dollars for them.
Noah B: Exactly. Yeah. Almost to the point where doing a high -end folder that you can justify the cost a little more so is the only way to really get an ah ROI.
tyrellknifeworks: Exactly, because you know the process is exactly the same, but now you're going to up the materials you're going to use. you know I've got some some mammoth ah tusk. I've got some high -end Damascus. like That's the same process, but the high -end materials to push the value up in that knife.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: so
Noah B: Or like some, uh, what do they call it? The titanium Damascus type stuff.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, the i I heard from, I had one of my viewers actually ask me, one of my previous students asked me, he he said, hey, the the um trademark or patent has expired on Damascus.
tyrellknifeworks: Are you going to make it?
Noah B: Oh.
tyrellknifeworks: I was like, man, stainless Damascus is hard enough. I can't imagine how hard titanium Damascus is to make.
Noah B: I can either. That would be nuts especially and it's for me anyways. it's It's kind of similar to copper Damascus. It's like well I could just go over to oh I can't remember the name of that place that sells the titanium Damascus.
Noah B: What is it? um Yeah shoot whatever.
tyrellknifeworks: Oh, titanium? Yeah, I don't know. I don't know anybody that sells it.
Noah B: Oh my gosh. It's going to drive me nuts. I used to buy my steel from them back before I learned about Lawrence.
tyrellknifeworks: Like Jance or something?
Noah B: No.
tyrellknifeworks: The only ones I know of are Alpha and Jance, USA KnifeMaker.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, I don't remember. but
Noah B: Yeah, it's fine. Whatever.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, it's tough to make.
Noah B: But anyways.
tyrellknifeworks: And I know Alex Steele just did a video on making Damascus. And I think he was successful, but I think you'd have to do the same process like the canister fed with an inert gas like argon or even nitrogen fed with a gas, which is another thing.
Noah B: I don't know.
tyrellknifeworks: I got to try the stainless Damascus again.
Noah B: what do you When are you getting back into that?
tyrellknifeworks: Um, probably pretty soon. Um, probably in the next month, I'm going to give it a shot. I'll just pick a day. That's the thing. Like it's like two, two to 300 bucks a shot to do, to do it just in the material cost, the argon plus the cost of all that steel.
tyrellknifeworks: because CPM 154 is not cheap.
Noah B: Right.
tyrellknifeworks: um And then doing a billet that's like three inches tall to get like less than a third, probably a quarter of that in final steel, just because there's so much cut offs, there's so much grinding.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Like you basically have to grind that perfectly clean on every side at every weld.
Noah B: hu
tyrellknifeworks: So it'll be random, it'll be
Noah B: yeah
Noah B: Yeah, I was talking with Morocco and he was telling me about a billet that he had forged with a friend of his and it and his name escapes me. I'm sorry. um It was Wilbur Graham.
tyrellknifeworks: It was probably will bring them.
Noah B: Yeah, I think. And ah he told me the total cost of the billet and it was some unbelievable number. And I mean it was, you know…
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, it's probably over $1 ,000 easily.
Noah B: Oh, it was it was well over that it was ridiculous.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah.
Noah B: It was a pretty intricate billet, of course, you know, it wasn't just like a straight stack, but it was unbelievable, like just the amount of costs that you have just in materials and waste and like you say, gas and and and everything like it all adds up.
Noah B: It's crazy. ah The place I was thinking of was alpha knife supply.
tyrellknifeworks: It is awful.
Noah B: um Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. Okay. I know I've seen it. Yeah.
Noah B: Yeah, they ah they sell some some titanium Damascus. They also have some pretty pretty cool videos on Instagram of them when they color it and stuff like that.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. Yeah. It's cool stuff someday. Someday.
Noah B: Someday.
tyrellknifeworks: Uh, yeah, I mean, I'll put my next one.
Noah B: Do your liners out of that?
tyrellknifeworks: I'll probably be doing, ah um, an oil treatment on the titanium to turn it black.
Noah B: Mm -hmm.
tyrellknifeworks: Um, so that I have black liners with, um, uh, Damascus and I still have a cutoff of the gold Damascus.
Noah B: Do you really?
tyrellknifeworks: I do. I've been keeping it for, for two years now to do a folder. So that'll be, uh, that's probably going to be what's depending if I get my button gear, but that's probably going to be one of the knives, one of the folders.
Noah B: Oh my gosh.
tyrellknifeworks: I have a blade show next year.
Noah B: Well, and then you're going to have to do gold inlay as well.
tyrellknifeworks: of course of course so we'll see we'll see how it goes yeah yeah and i still have a piece of the cladding so like i had to cut off a piece of the cladding um for the gold because it was only like a six inch long billet like layered layering the gold so i have the actual damascus that the cladding separate so those will be the bolsters so it
Noah B: So that's going to be super cool to see, man.
Noah B: Oh, that's gonna be awesome, dude.
tyrellknifeworks: So it should blend pretty well. And then ah it's a half feather. Um, and then I'll do the golden lay on the bolster, like the trim and lay on the bolster.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: Anyway, that's, a yeah.
Noah B: Okay, well, hurry up and get these copper Damascus katanas done. Get the get the get the get that out of the way. So you can make that because I'm i'm excited to see that.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. Hey, I'll end the show. I've had a couple of things. So next this week's triple T I'm going to be doing the update on the F1 ultra laser.
Noah B: Mm hmm.
tyrellknifeworks: And I'm going to talk about all the accessories. So really cool. Um, so if you guys are looking for a laser and you, and it's a fiber laser, and if you're looking for accessories, there's some really cool aspects of that, especially the conveyor, which I think is really cool.
tyrellknifeworks: And the, the, the, uh, auto detect, like you just throw business cards and it'll detect the rotation of, and so you don't have to like place them.
Noah B: Yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: And that's, that's cool stuff. but doing that video. And then after that, I don't know if you saw what I was grinding the the sword with in the apocalyptic challenge video.
tyrellknifeworks: Did you see that?
Noah B: Oh, I saw. I saw.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, so that one, I'll be doing a video showing off that attachment, um which I'm very excited about. Cause that is like right along the lines of how I grind bevels.
tyrellknifeworks: So I spoke to the maker of that jig. It's probably going on two months ago now. um I just haven't shown it until now. So stay tuned for that. If you guys are having problems with bevels, you're going to want to see that video.
tyrellknifeworks: so i think you
Noah B: And but since since you're bringing it up, I'm just gonna go ahead and I would like to take some credit here. I don't know if it's actually due, but I'm gonna pretend that it is and say that ah the grinding jig that he's talking about is entirely known in the United States because of me. I'm just gonna go ahead and take that credit entirely ah because previously it was only known in Austria until I brought it up on a podcast with one of the designers, one of the people who who put it into being and and that's how it became known to these shores.
Noah B: So I don't know if it's actually true, but I'm taking credit right now and I want you all to know that.
tyrellknifeworks: Then take credit for it Hopefully this just makes up.
Noah B: Okay.
tyrellknifeworks: I just think I'm not getting anything up I mean he gave me the jig but I'm not getting anything of it I'm not getting kind of sales or anything like that. so I just think it's really cool. I ah When I teach people grinding, I teach people on the rest.
tyrellknifeworks: And this is just mimics that and makes it just dead simple and you don't have to clamp your blade in a jig, which I had never liked. um So I just love this thing and it's it's really cool.
Noah B: Yep.
tyrellknifeworks: So stay tuned for that video. The reason I've been waiting and holding off on this video is I really want him to get a US distributor.
Noah B: And.
tyrellknifeworks: so Stay tuned.
Noah B: All right, fair enough.
tyrellknifeworks: Uh, or a North American distributor, I should say.
Noah B: Aha.
tyrellknifeworks: Um, so, uh, I, I don't know what's happening in but behind the scenes. I don't know how that deals going. Hopefully that comes through before my video. Cause I'd love to give folks a link to go and buy it.
tyrellknifeworks: Um, so it doesn't aggravate them. Like, how do I get it? I'm going to get a million messages. How do I buy this thing? Uh, you can't buy it from me. Um, so hopefully in a couple of weeks, they'll get that figured out and there'll be links on how to buy that.
tyrellknifeworks: And I think a lot of people are going to want it because like even batch work, I'm going to be doing sand tigers on those things. Like it's amazing.
Noah B: Oh, yeah.
tyrellknifeworks: So yeah.
Noah B: Yeah, it's such a great tool. And it's so and it's, it's simple. It's, it's leverage is all it is. And it's, uh, it's a finger saver.
Noah B: It's, it's more precise. It's, it's all the things that you need.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, I won't say it's idiot proof, but because there's some special kind of idiots, but.
Noah B: No, it there's there's no such thing. No such thing, man.
tyrellknifeworks: But it's pretty cool, so stay tuned. I know we're dropping a big, you know. A big cliffhanger here, but stay tuned. You'll see the video in a couple of weeks.
Noah B: Awesome, man. Well, hey, thank you so much for having me on the show, man. This is a lot of fun.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah, we got actually we got one more sponsor have mentioned.
Noah B: and
Noah B: Oh, my bad.
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tyrellknifeworks: So definitely check those out. I like the hard wax um on the blades cause then you take a heat gun and it kind of soaks into the pores. The soft wax is great on handles. And then you got the oil if you want it really viscous or not on this, no, the opposite of viscous, whatever that means. um That word is always, always defies my brain. Um,
tyrellknifeworks: But go check them out. Use the discount code TTT10. Get yourself some Pelican paste.
Noah B: I fully agree.
tyrellknifeworks: Noah, it is it has been a pleasure having you on the show. I'm excited to hear the feedback. And folks, yes, Jared's coming back eventually. He'll be back next week with Ryan um on the Triple T.
tyrellknifeworks: Sorry, no, with Noah on the Triple T podcast. And I will be with Ryan on Hustle and Grind. And I got to find out who we're interviewing because I'm going to have to do some homework.
Noah B: It'll be good, so appreciate you listeners. We're changing it up on you, trying to keep things fresh and new, and hope you guys enjoy it, so.
tyrellknifeworks: Yeah. Jerry better watch out. um I might pull you over here all the time.
tyrellknifeworks: All right.
Noah B: I didn't harass you nearly as much as he does, so I mean, there's that.
tyrellknifeworks: I know you didn't, you didn't bust my balls like he usually does. So I'm sure he's going to be saying some insane things about maker camp and all the, you know, how loud I snore and all that shit on hustling grind.
tyrellknifeworks: So, all right.
Noah B: Can't wait to hear it.
tyrellknifeworks: Cool.
Noah B: That's a wrap.
