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#209 A halfwit's head loss
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That's not how that was all supposed to go. The On The Ball podcast reacts to the big one/damp squib (delete as appropriate), and try and find some positives amidst the disappointment, as Ipswich Town get their first win at Carrow Road for 20 years with a 2-0 win on Saturday.
Ryan Livermore, Dan Brigham, Zoe Morgan and Steve Sanders take up the less than enviable task of reliving the soreness of the weekend's result, including refereeing cowardice, a misjudged starting XI, and the cameo from a little Chilean fella who totally lost his head.
Plus, the criminal offence of grabbing the ball, the low hanging fruit of 'Roy Hodgson is old' gags, a chip on Ruddy Jr's shoulder, and the greatest Delia impression you'll hear this year in ChatGPT Get Banged.
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Transcript
Introduction and Panelists
00:00:14
Speaker
Hello and welcome to OTB, a Norwich City podcast, the NCFC show that I'm sure will get over it eventually. I'm Ryan Livermore and tonight we at OTB will try to digest a derby that will live as long in the memory as Marcelino Nunez minutes on the pitch, a refereeing display that boils more piss than a toilet on a stove, and there is also the penultimate episode of Chat GPT Get Banged 2.
00:00:44
Speaker
Saturday was ultimately disappointing, but thankfully we have a full panel to share in the catharsis. It's a wonderful front three joining me again, starting with the not at all bitter Zoe Morgan. Hello, Zoe. Have you recovered from Saturday yet?
00:01:00
Speaker
um Hello, Ryan. ah I'm not sure I have completely. I'm sure we'll get stuck into it, but I'm going to try and bring the joy despite feeling downhearted still.
00:01:13
Speaker
I mean, try is all you can do. It's been two days and I'm still not quite there yet. But hey, that's what we're all here for. And also not talking through gritted teeth is the lovely Dan Brigham. Dan, how are you coping after Saturday?
00:01:27
Speaker
I'm good. Hello, Ryan. i'm I'm okay, I think. I woke up this morning and it wasn't in the sort of first three or four things I thought about. So I'd say that's a sign of recovery.
00:01:37
Speaker
What were the first three or four things you thought about? I'm curious now. and Probably food. Nice. thats three four usually It's usually food. Breakfast, lunch, tea.
00:01:49
Speaker
Nice. Norwich losing to Ipswich. Nice. Very good. Very, very good. I'm not going to ask what you went into and what you wanted for your food because that would take far too long. But ah don't think I'm not interested in by the way.
00:02:02
Speaker
And lastly, a man whose anger can only be expressed through aggressively spreadsheeting. It's NCFC Numbers, a.k.a. Otper, a.k.a. Steve Sanders. Steve, how are you coping after Saturday?
00:02:16
Speaker
I'm pretty good, thank you. I have been aggressively spreadsheeting. It's a good way to to let your energy out, I find. We've been talking for 20 minutes before the start of the podcast, as we often do. i didn't mention the football once, so that probably shows where we're at with this. And it means that you'll be getting, the listeners will be getting everything fresh for the first time. So all that pent-up anger that's that's bubbling just below the surface going to come out. So I say i think it's going to be a good one.
00:02:43
Speaker
I
Ipswich Derby Analysis
00:02:44
Speaker
think so too. Do you know what? Let's get straight into it with this week's Hot Topic. Hot Topic.
00:03:01
Speaker
Saturday was the first time since 2024 that this particular horse came out on top in the Derby. But enough about I am Maximus in the Grand National. It took Ipswich Town 20 years, over £100 million, pounds and one of the most questionable refereeing displays in recent Carrow Road history to win at Norwich City. Yes, I am still bitter.
00:03:20
Speaker
All bias aside, however, it was a game where Norwich did deserve very little. um ah Zoe, I'll come to you first, please. ah Mitigating factors aside, which we'll come on to a bit later, do you feel Norwich failed to rise to the occasion on the on the whole on Saturday?
00:03:39
Speaker
ah Well, first of all, I am going to struggle to put all bias aside because sure that feels impossible. But um it was a big shame, wasn't it? I think, I mean, I will hold fire on the mitigating factors because I think they were mitigating with a capital M. um But...
00:03:59
Speaker
You know, the atmosphere was really great to begin with. um it was written yeah You could sense the players were really up for it as they came out and then started well. And then it's sort of...
00:04:13
Speaker
got ruined a couple of minutes in and then everything sort of got thrown and we were struggling to sort of make up some of the ground we'd lost early on, I think emotionally and in terms of the game. um And, you it was just...
00:04:29
Speaker
We've been playing so well and it was such a shame that we didn't see all of that on Saturday um because, you know, you can say this all you like and then people just be like, well, I saw the game against Ipswich and you didn't look that good. And then it all sort starts to sound like a fluke. It's not been a fluke.
00:04:50
Speaker
We have been playing so well for so long under Clermont, but it was not our best performance um on Saturday, um which was a real shame because I thought, I really did think that we would bring it on Saturday. I thought that they it would happen.
00:05:09
Speaker
They'd be bang up for it. We've really proven over the last few months as well that we're capable of beating some of those top teams. um So yeah, just all round, very disappointing.
00:05:19
Speaker
Steve, I think it kind of gets lost on people just how emotionally draining those kind of matches can can turn out to be, particularly when you have such a ah ah ah a humongous atmosphere like around the place from from the get go. But even with that in mind, what was lacking from a Norwich perspective that we've been so used to seeing in recent months?
00:05:40
Speaker
um yeah I mean, the atmosphere was great, wasn't it? I think even even by Derby standards, it it felt like and maybe it was the Nunez factor, but it felt even more charged than it usually would be. and I don't know if i'm i I'm probably reading too much into this or like putting two and two together and getting 17 and possibly after the fact thinking this. But I wondered if we might have been a little bit too up for it. um It is the biggest game of our season then we've but and we've known that for weeks now, ever since safety was basically assured. And, you know, Kenny and Philippe Clement came out and did the whole, you know, this is a bigger game than usual, blah, blah, blah. and i just felt like we we started quite well, but there were some in the first half in particular, there were a lot of mistakes, um like players miscontrolling the ball, I just just felt like it was it was kind of turbocharged. I mean, there wasn't really much football that broke out in the first half full stop. And I'm sure we'll get onto that as well. um But I think that maybe contributed to the um not greatness of the performance.
00:06:42
Speaker
And, you know, i mean, Big Phil has the Midas touch. so we So generally speaking, I just assume he will always get everything right. But i I do wonder about that that first starting XI. And I do think that Kenny McLean, as well as it worked against Millwall, should probably have been playing in centre midfield. I think his influence was felt when he when he did play there, certainly at the start of the second half, and but in the second half more generally. Sam Field um gave him his flowers after the Millwall game, but this was not the game for him. Just didn't really look mobile enough in there.
00:07:15
Speaker
And we do now have at least you know options, not ideal options, but you had Gibbs, Magoma, Schwartow. I think Foursome may have also been on the bench. There a lot of players who could have played out there, which would have meant putting Kenny back in alongside Mattson. And I just think the game transpired in a very different way to the Millwall one, where Ipswich are quite happy to let us come on to them, albeit aided by an early goal. um And we just really lacked that threat. And I think, to be honest, Big Phil probably realised that quite early and to his credit, obviously made those changes at half time. But by that point, obviously, we're 2-0 down. Don't put it solely down to that. think we were just a little bit off it on the day, but I do think that... um if Clermont could have his time again, he might not pick that same team. So that probably came into it as well. um Maybe even Jack Stacey. I think I would have gone Kraseni on the left, fish on the right, just to um quell the threat of Filagene. But, you know, it is what it is. um So, yeah, probably a combination of a
Refereeing Controversies
00:08:14
Speaker
lot of things, really. But, ah yeah, I think that XI was probably not the the best one we could have had.
00:08:19
Speaker
Yeah, mentioning the the starting 11, I did feel that they were, once I knew Leif Davis was going to be back, I felt like he would go with the same just to have ah like a Fisher or a Stacey and McLean to nullify this threat of the left back bombing forward like they did at Millwall on on Monday, the following the prior to Monday. But the problem is as well is that Ipswich played so narrow that when Norwich did get the ball into wide areas, I think it was like the most crosses they've put into the box this season, wasn't it?
00:08:46
Speaker
There was really, they didn't have that delivery or the the kind of dynamism that you'd want in having Kenny in the middle and someone else attacking on the right. so I think that's kind of a huge factor as to why Norwich weren't so good going forward. But ultimately, Dan, it is weird being on the other side of these Derby results for the first time in God goodness knows how long um um in the grand scheme of things. But is there just a golfing quality between these two sides at the moment? And is that what it fundamentally comes down to?
00:09:14
Speaker
i wouldn't No, I wouldn't call it a golf in quality. I think the first goal was absolutely massive in this game. Ipswich haven't lost this season after scoring first. and They've won 20 out of 23 times scoring first, including all eight times they've done it away from home as well. um And because they are a very solid defensive unit, um we struggle to break them down when they're not chasing a game. Our biggest impact really under Clement has been sort of being able to score goals in transition.
00:09:49
Speaker
and build up play through the middle of the pitch. But they, to their credit, I suppose, snuffed all of that out. They were very good as a defensive unit. I do think if they hadn't been gifted that first goal by the referee, then we probably would have had a different game if we'd scored first.
00:10:06
Speaker
And Ipswich had to come on to us a little bit. but having yeah having said So I don't think there's a massive gulf in it. and we've shown by beating Coventry, beating Millwall, beating Southampton and very and competing with Southampton not that long ago in the return game as well, that we're not that far off in terms of competing you know at the top end of the table.
00:10:29
Speaker
um But what it did show us is that maybe we miss a bit of physicality. It felt like certainly a game where we missed Makama again at the top end of the pitch. Someone who is both very physical but likes spd the ball to his feet as well. So can move defences around better than Kwiskoran can, who I thought was very fortunate to start if Toure was fit to start. I think that was an error as well against... to probably the most solid centre-backs in the Championship. I thought Chris Gorin was entirely ineffective against them, which meant Slimani had no room to operate in as well. So we did have to just keep recycling it wide and putting balls into the box, which O'Shea and Greaves could just lap up pretty easily. um
00:11:18
Speaker
But yeah, I don't think we're too far off though. like
Emotional Impact and VAR Debate
00:11:22
Speaker
It's not like Ipswich absolutely dominated us and smashed us. They sat deep, which is probably a bit of a sign of respect because they certainly didn't do that at Portman Road earlier in the season as well. We did have a lot of the ball. McKenna said after the game that it wasn't part of the plan for them to you know sit so deep and not have the ball. That's just how it transpired because we, in the centre of the park, thought Kenny when he moved there in the second half and Mattson did a good job, but it was just in the final third that we were lacking. um And I think we all know we probably miss a bit in wide areas at the moment. um And that's probably something to rectify in the summer.
00:11:57
Speaker
I mean, if if all they've got is being solid defensively, then I hope they go off and enjoy their sad little lives because that is nothing to write home about. There is not a golfing class between them. All they did was what we used to do with deup Darren Huckabee with Philogene and just let him stood stand there waiting for the ball and then they'd try and give it to him and then he'd run with it. And that was about as exciting as it ever got. yeah Yeah.
00:12:26
Speaker
ah norwi under farar in twenty twenty one but without all of the good stuff going forward as well um and their record about you know as i've said if they concede first um then they've only won once a season but if they score first they've only They've won 20 out of 23 games, suggests it's a relatively limited team, but maybe McKenna is trying to set them up for the Premier League where they will be having to sit very deep um throughout that campaign.
00:12:57
Speaker
It's also completely different to the team from two years ago, right, where they were repeatedly coming from behind. i mean, I think we can, I don't, do we do we crown them now? don't know. I mean, I think they will inevitably get there now having won one of their hardest games left. yeah But um it's not worked out brilliantly for Burnley this season, being solid defensively in the Championship. So, fingers crossed, eh?
00:13:18
Speaker
Can I ask... What on earth as well was that nonsense before the game started when they were having their huddle in our half? um but what i what is What is he, Liam Rossini now? Like, I don't, ah I don't understand. And Kenny was sort of having to walk them down to try and get rid of them at the start.
00:13:39
Speaker
Absolutely pathetic. Yeah, it's that high performance manager nonsense, isn't it? Like the marginal gains, but let's be honest, it means absolutely sweet nothing. I absolutely despise fans blaming refereeing decisions. I've said it about Norwich fans for a long time as well. Here we go. I feel like it. Here we go, guys. I think for ages, unless you have an utterly atrocious, completely almost brown envelope territory of a performance, I feel like you have yourselves to blame when you lose. But I do want to talk about the refereeing.
00:14:15
Speaker
Zoe, it's so easy to say off the back of a very emotionally charged East Anglian derby. But that is... objectively one of the worst refereeing decision uh not just decisions uh but displays i've seen at carrow road for years and years i i how how why when what what's the point like what can you do in that situation how how difficult is it it's difficult to manage the occasion, but it felt fairly straightforward of, of a game to manage, didn't it as well? Like there were so many obvious yellow cards that didn't get given. We'll come on to he who must not be named and how he should have been off the pitch early and what he actually was. And I, to be honest, I thought Jack Stacy was a little bit lucky as well at points. And then there's the penalty of it all, but yeah,
00:15:06
Speaker
I was looking at this and thinking to thinking to myself, he is trying too hard to not give in to the home fans to the point where he's going the other way and is outwardly looking past Stonewall decisions to try and keep this game flowing and not give in to the occasion. But it not only does it ruin the game, but it you look at it and you do kind of think this is just wholeheartedly a poor refereeing display, right?
00:15:32
Speaker
I mean, I'm not sure anyone could have looked at that and thought he had that fully in control, like his own control throughout. He, it was, it was dreadful. it was, it was weak. Uh, it was cowardly. It was bizarre. Um,
00:15:50
Speaker
it was not a good game. And part of the reason for that was because of the referee. He was letting absolutely nothing go early on. He seemed to be giving anytime anyone fell over, he was giving a foul for it, which led to, um,
00:16:05
Speaker
Certainly one of the teams at least, then overemphasizing every time they fell over, holding parts of their body and then leaping up um unharmed about 10 seconds later.
00:16:16
Speaker
um You know, we've we've done the right thing. We've talked about how Norwich weren't quite at at the races and maybe Bigfield didn't make all the right decisions. But were that penalty not given when it was...
00:16:28
Speaker
things could have been very different. And football is a game of very fine margins a lot of the time. That was a very big game. It was a very big moment. It was interesting that we reacted quite badly to it. That didn't help. But, that you know, it was it was not a penalty.
00:16:46
Speaker
Clement said it right. You know, it was a player that was trying to cheat. He was trying to hoodwink them. He got hoodwinked. um and And things just went on from there. like the the He is apparently one of the referees that has booked the most players in the league all season, but has not given a single red card. I mean, that played out. right what is What is the point of booking everyone early on if you've got no intention of giving anybody another yellow card for the same things? And I think that...
00:17:19
Speaker
was there the real kicker in that second half when people were not getting booked for things that people had already been booked for. um And, you know, you can't, youve you've got to have some sort of consistency. You can't, you know, you can't book someone for kicking the ball away in the first half, but then when somebody does it just because they're on the yellow card, not booking them in the second half, like...
00:17:43
Speaker
it was wrong. And, you know, maybe maybe it would have affected both sides, but you you've got to follow through with some of the things that you're doing. And it it just made for such a terrible game as well. You know, there was nothing.
00:17:56
Speaker
It was so stop, stop, start. I did enjoy the fact that we had a fight. That was the best part of it. um And I was glad that he had so little control that that was able to to happen. um But yeah, we'll get, and and again, we'll get onto Nunes, no doubt.
Nunez's Performance and Team Dynamics
00:18:12
Speaker
But it was, as we've said, it was our biggest game of the season and we got let down by the officials and,
00:18:20
Speaker
The fact that, you know again, Clement's been booked as well. He's going to miss the next game. As he said, it means I can't do my job. Got booked for not being able to control his staff. like He's a sort of husband from the 1800s or something, not controlling his woman. um I don't know. But it's yeah it's absolutely mad. It was all a disaster. It was you know in a game that was so emotionally charged and so tense.
00:18:47
Speaker
You did not need a referee That was making things worse. And that is what he did. He did not calm any situations at all, whether on the pitch or in the stands. My favourite bit was after Nunez got booked, he then did one challenge, did the second one on Cresceni and the ref went, hey, hey, no more, no more. And then he trips Cordoba and goes, I said no more, I said no more.
00:19:13
Speaker
And then Nunez gets hooked straight away after that. And I just thought if that was ever going to... emphasize how bad the other game he had that that in isolation yeah he had the proper vibe of someone who would absolutely give it everything on social media but if it came to face to face they would piss their pants yeah incredibly quickly and by the way that that the foul by Nunez I having seen it back I thought it was just a bad trip that should have been booked for it he puts his studs into Cordoba's ankles I mean it's it is a very clear yellow card I think My view on, because we don't we don't actually talk about refs very often on this podcast, and I think that's deliberate. No, in in fact, you all say, I bloody love this. I don't want VAR. And I stand by that. and i was i was literally i was going to say that the decision after 10 minutes, I think, is wrong.
00:20:02
Speaker
um But referees and lines, and assistant referees... LAUGHTER just Just check myself there. um get those Get those wrong in the heat at the moment all the time. And that that is that is football and it always will be. And there's no there's no corruption involved here. And I think people that assert that and learn the names of referees, they don't like probably are the kind of people that shouldn't be allowed near sharp po objects. that the But the the that barometer of a good refereeing performance, I think you can feel it inside the ground. And Zoe's kind of summed it up already. Do they let the game flow?
00:20:38
Speaker
and ah are they affected by the crowd in in their decisions? And yeah, I mean, 16 fouls in the first 30 minutes. Normally, I've had a little look, the average in the Championship for ah an entire game this season is 21. We had 16 in the first 30 minutes. That's more than one every two minutes. so and And he was giving stupid yellow cards early on that really shouldn't have been given and then left himself really nowhere to go.
00:21:03
Speaker
but I think the decisions that you can get right... are the ones where you can allow yourself some time to think. And the one where Leif Davis literally picks the ball up which I think, was it Kenny McLean had been booked for us earlier in the game? Cordova, yeah. Cordova, beg pardon. um And then kick the ball away. i mean, that there is there is no subjectivity there.
00:21:24
Speaker
That is just a yellow card offence. And the only reason he hasn't been booked, you can only assume, is because in in the referee's mind, he decided he wasn't going to send someone off. As Zoe said, it's just weak, really.
00:21:35
Speaker
In the first 30 minutes, he had almost reduced the game to like a non-contact sport, which, you know, if VAR continues is what will happen what will happen eventually. And because it's sort of any contact from, and this is from either side, it would be immediately a free kick, any sort of contact whatsoever, just a little hand on the shoulder or something, tiny little nudge in the back, free kick, and then sometimes a yellow card. And what that does is just frustrate both teams.
00:22:01
Speaker
And so those players are going to get more frustrated. Tackles are probably going to get a little bit worse. So he was just like chucking vodka onto a fire and just make it making it much, much worse as a spectacle. I'm curious, what what do you think is going through his head during the the penalty decision? Because where I was stood on Saturday is kind of behind the corner flag by the Joma stand. And I saw the ball ah go back in from Greaves and Slomani get in front. And as soon as Taylor went went in front, from behind, I thought... that looks like a penalty. That's the kind of thing which is frustrating. It's one of those where the attacker gets there first and the defender catches them on the follow through. And yes, it is soft. I totally agree with that. But in the letter of the law, it's a penalty. But watching it back...
00:22:49
Speaker
it's so obvious that Slomani barely touches him. Taylor is trying to hoodwink the referee. The linesman doesn't give it. People are saying oh maybe the linesman came back and said it looked like a penalty. The linesman doesn't flag or anything. It's almost like he sees Norwich on the break and the referee goes, oh man, was that a penalty? If they go and score now and it was a penalty, I look like a right hit. Do I give it? Do I give it? Yeah. Yeah, I think I've got to give that. And then ah sets the tone for the entire rest of his game in in doing that. And I just think it's such a weird thought process to go to go through. Like, I think if you're unsure on something, just let it go because the likelihood is you're going to then...
00:23:27
Speaker
total up these kind of decisions and the assessment you get post game is going to look bad anyway. So you manage to try and keep the game flowing as much as you can, as you as you can, sorry. So it affects the full 90 minutes and allows this occasion to flow smoothly. ah In fairness, I think line assistant referees, as we now call them, they don't flag anymore because they have the communication.
00:23:50
Speaker
So the ref will just ask, was there contact? And he no longer has to like put his flag across his chest lucky like they used to when they've disagreed with the referee's decision. But i do think I do wonder, I agree, the fact that we could quite easily have turned that into a goal down the other end. kind of Even if the line-out said, yeah, I think there was contact, the referee had a good angle himself and maybe, well, I didn't see the contact and and may not have given it if we weren't breaking you know so dangerously. So I do think there might be something in that. And and and by the way, I know Big Phil has said this is this is vindication for VAR and I totally understand why he would say that. And I think VAR in the Championship probably is coming at some point, whether we like it or not. um
00:24:34
Speaker
But ah again, this is this is a classic situation of, yeah, VAR would have saved that. So I don't want it. Like Taylor has bought that penalty through cheating um in in my view, because I don't think, as we as we said, I don't think Somani touches him.
00:24:47
Speaker
But we've still got 80 minutes to get back into the game. i don't yeah It does change the game, but i don't we can't blame the defeat on the officials' decisions. It was just a crap referee who who spoiled the game as a spectacle. And that's more annoying, if anything, than... Is it more annoying? I think it is more annoying than than losing than losing the game. And also the last type the previous home game, Portsmouth should have been down to nine men as well with two players. should have got Definitely should have got second yellows in that game as well. So it's probably cost us two points against Portsmouth.
00:25:21
Speaker
I'm not sure if it definitely couldipps which may well have scored first anyway if they didn't have the penalty. But I'm still nowhere near thinking VAR would improve the spectacle though in the championships. And and now don't I don't like Ipswich having Nunez or Davis sent off with 10 minutes to go. don't think we were scoring in that game, regardless of how many players are on the pitch. But it's it's the principle of the goddamn thing, right? It is. It is very much so. But I do agree. I kind of feel like Norwich could have played for another hour and still would not have scored, you know, just just such the way it was going. um Steve, I have not written a question for this bit. Instead, I've written Nunez. Ha ha ha ha ha. ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
00:26:02
Speaker
Again, it's so easy to sound bitter. It's so easy to sound salty. But for all the talk before the game, like he did an interview with Sky saying about how he was looking forward to and how I've played in Chile. I've done this. I've done that. This kind of thing won't get to me.
00:26:17
Speaker
it's bloody well did get to him didn't it let's be let's be honest like i've never seen someone literally cack their pants on a football pitch live gar did he literally do that because i mean if he did then that really does round off what was a terrible afternoon well it felt like he did he he garyly look at it Well, yeah, there's nothing else. He metaphorically Gary Lineker did, didn't he? like i've I've never seen someone choke and be so rattled that much on a football pitch. And you can argue, yes, it's just had the last laugh in winning, which is true. But we've we won that battle, didn't we, it at least?
00:26:55
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, like obviously the the Ipswich fans chant is he's in your head, which, you know guilty. He probably is and has been for the last six months. But i would say we're definitely still in his head. That much seems very clear. And, you know, Kieran McKenna said after the game, didn't start him because of the because the occasion would be, you know, didn't didn't want to expose him to that. Thought it might be too much for him. um I don't know whether that would be the same for every player, but it certainly was too much for Nunez.
00:27:22
Speaker
I mean, for that 23 minutes. that like I think the worst part of the whole game, because ah the the manner of the defeat, it was an annoying game, but it could have been worse. like We were 2-0 down. it was fairly obvious we were going to lose. Had Nunez come on and scored that free kick?
00:27:37
Speaker
Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I might have. just I still can't believe he didn't. It just seems so scripted that he would his first touch would be sending out into the top corner. it's About 90 seconds, thought, well, this is definitely going to happen. I think we'd have had to shut down this entire podcast if if that if that had gone in. um but Sorry, Tindra, there's a lovely steward who I stand with when I watch the game. His name's Dave. really good guy. And as soon as he came on, he sort of looked at me. I just touched him on the shoulder and I went, it's going to be all right, mate. It's fine. Don't you worry. Because they were just blessed. They were basically doing the bleep test back and forth going onto the pitch whenever anything happened. But yeah, sorry, Steve, carry on.
00:28:15
Speaker
But I mean, that free kick kind of summed up the 23 minutes that he was on the pitch. And um yeah, i ah like i the whole thing, I just don't really get it. Like who who hurt him here? Because <unk> there's something has obviously niggled him because there is no reason for him that like the move is the move, but everything around it has been utterly bizarre. And then for him to be up and fist pumping at the end of the game in front of the Ipswich fans... Like, have some shame. have yeah Have some humility. You could have cost your team here big time with a red card. You know, ah all all things about they wouldn't have scored in a month or some days aside, he could have very easily got sent off. You know, i expect we'll do a lap of honour at the end of the season for a season well done. But I wouldn't have thought Shane Duffy would be leading it. Like, Nunez is the guy who could have who could have ultimately cost and should have been the last person up there.
00:29:08
Speaker
I get everything around it that he would want to be, but um like, yeah, he should have been nowhere near that at the end, really. He should have been back in dressing room. he'll have some time to feel that shame when he's on loan at Preston North End next season. Time to reflect. Won't have any slander against Preston. I've lived there for three years. Lovely little town is Preston. Can I just say that I do think we reacted quite badly to him coming on the pitch.
00:29:31
Speaker
I thought we were actually in the ascendancy in the sort of 10 minutes leading up to the substitution. We were getting in behind a couple of times. Toure had got free a couple of times. We were getting around the back a bit more. Did feel like a goal might be coming. And then as soon as Nunes put that sort of you know late challenge in, we just kind of forgot there was a football match. Kenny got preoccupied with Nunes too easily, I thought. So I don't think we handled it very well as well.
00:29:59
Speaker
I kind of felt like his his yellow card challenge was also not him doing anything malicious. I think he was just so scared to do anything that he just happened to go in a bit late. And it was it was purely a coincidental kind of thing. i don't think it was part of the occasion or anything. I think he was just very nervous, took half ah a beat to get there, and as a result, changed the complexion of the entire second half.
00:30:21
Speaker
I think I do. Fans wise, I think the people singing about him dying probably need to too much have a look at a look at themselves. What's wrong with a good boo? um i think that's fine. And a good sea word. and a big Exactly. um There's really a limit to these things. um But yeah, I mean, god that was one of the most embarrassing 23 minutes I've ever seen.
00:30:46
Speaker
um he should be embarrassed. I think... it's you know It's easy for Ipswich fans to describe it as iconic and to be very positive about it. But you have to think, should it should it have gone differently, they would not have had that opinion. um And yeah, I mean, yeah, the the fist pump, he did three separate lots at least before at least before I'd left the stadium of fist pumps at the fans. Yeah.
00:31:17
Speaker
It's weird. It's really weird and peculiar. And all of it was odd. and I've never seen anything like it. i was trying to think how I'd feel if it was reversed. And I think I'd feel a bit weird about that player. If we'd bought, you know, one of Ipswich's better players in, say, 18, 19 or whenever, and he acted like that, I think I'd probably want rid of him.
00:31:38
Speaker
I'm not sure that ah that was the kind of character I would want in that team. Yeah, the the character thing is is huge because I did kind of think when he came on and and like it was dreadful and did all that stuff at the end, I was like, when the chips are down next season, if they're 17th with a few games left, he's not the kind of person who's going to keep you up. is he like he's He's fundamentally going to crumble under that the weight of all of that.
00:32:02
Speaker
um ah Dan, ah kind of getting a bit wider and more philosophical, what lessons have those in power learned from the two games and other interactions they've had with Ipswich Town throughout this season? Because I kind of feel like this all started with selling Nunez to Ipswich and it almost it was almost kind of played down so much. Do you think how things have gone now, they've kind of grasped the the agency of this derby and how much it does mean here?
00:32:29
Speaker
Maybe, i mean, to be fair Atanasio, he said when he gave that interview with Radio Norfolk after the, you know, things were going terrible, he said he wouldn't have, he did he he regretted the sale immediately. So I think he probably grasped that.
00:32:46
Speaker
um It just sort of created a circus that at the time, most majority of Norwich fans thought it would probably come to bite us on the arse. Not only did we give Ipswich one of our better players, we gave what we thought at the time was ah going to be you know promotion rivals one of our better players as well. And he has you know made a difference for them as well. So it has played out like that. It's basically played out...
00:33:12
Speaker
exactly how we feared it would um he he's advanced uh our biggest rivals and he's created a drama that we could have done without on saturday um as well and i've seen still see people arguing that well we brought mattson in and we spent money in january but a we should have bought mattson earlier in the summer anyway when we were after him could have spent you know an extra couple of hundred thousand pounds on him or whatever else to bring him in And B, Atanasio said we would have, we had money to spend in January, irrespective of whether we'd sold Nunes. So he had the money there to bring in Magoma and Ahmed.
00:33:49
Speaker
um so Yeah, like ah you can see why Napa's name came up a lot more than it has been recently after the Ipswich game because the scars are still there and the scars will probably still be there unless we get promoted next season.
Season Overview and Future Outlook
00:34:05
Speaker
I think that's probably the only way to move on from you know selling one of our better players to our nemesis or nemesis is to have success. And until that happens,
00:34:18
Speaker
There's going to be a target on Napa, unfortunately. Unfortunately, actually. I don't know I said unfortunately. It's of his own making. yeah we We want a target on his back, don't That would be great. um Just just in terms of in terms of lessons learned from this season, I did think, God, how much worse would this be? don't know it's because I'd sit near there. How much worse would this be if Ipswich...
00:34:40
Speaker
town fans had the entire lower section of the of the river end during this game. That would have been horrendous. Would they sell all those tickets though? oh Probably not. Okay, the front row of the... They were very quiet, weren't they? Very quiet. I don't think I'm just saying that. Teams have brought much louder away fans than Ipswich Portsmouth were far louder. I'll die on the hill that the teams at the top always have the quieter fan bases, especially this time in the season, because they're just so anxious about anything going wrong on these big, big occasions like that.
00:35:13
Speaker
ah The last little bit of this section, I'm going to name Catharsis Corner. Zoe, is there anything you would like to get off your chest from Saturday? What we haven't covered already. Or if we have, do it again, but louder.
00:35:26
Speaker
Well, talking of Brad Hills to die on, we've brief someone's briefly mentioned this, but one of my biggest gripes in football is players who believe they're getting fouled. So in the end, just pick the ball up and stop play. And eventually it's like, well, if I've touched the ball, you're going to have to give a foul for me. Any player that does that.
00:35:48
Speaker
I believe there should automatically be a free kick against them, whatever has happened to them or whatever they think has happened to them. I absolutely hate it. Philogene did it. Obviously, Leif Davis did it as well. um I'm sure our players do it sometimes. needs It needs stopping because it winds me up so much. And I did a lot of finger wagging at Philogene when he was doing it and shouting at him. That must have sounded like a little old nana. I was like, you're not allowed to do that. It's cheating.
00:36:18
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up
00:36:22
Speaker
ah i was very angry. um and so, yeah, out of everything, That's it. And also, i' am sad that Vlad had a bad birthday.
00:36:33
Speaker
Oh, I didn't realise it was his birthday. Oh, poor man. It his birthday. Oh, I thought he was good as well. I was so emotional before the game started. I saw a picture that the Pinkan had posted of him holding this birthday card that a kid must have given him that said, your happy birthday to my favourite goalkeeper. And favourite was spelt really bad. And I was like, oh, God. I can't deal with this. There was a moment at full time where he did have his head down was kind of talking to himself, so I can only assume he was going, happy birthday to you. It'll be better next year, I'm sure. Steve, anything you to get off your chest?
00:37:12
Speaker
i think I think we've said it all, haven't we? Ref, Nunez, players who pick the ball up when they're fouled. I've got nothing else. Dan? just I don't know if we're going to talk any positives, but I just thought Vlad was excellent.
00:37:27
Speaker
He probably kept the scoreline down. That save from Hurst at 1-0 just after they'd scored the penalty was outstanding, I thought, and was in took up really good areas as well for the other two excellent stops he made. And despite, I thought Cordoba was...
00:37:42
Speaker
not at fault entirely, but for their second goal, ah for the lead up, for the shot that from Hurst that Vlad saved, I thought Cordeaux was a bit at fault for that action that led to the throw-in. But other than that, I thought he was um excellent. i've come to i think I've decided that since Clement coming, he's probably been our best player and is probably the only player right now in a squad with lots of high ceilings, but probably right now wouldn't look out of place in the Premier League right now. I think he has come on an enormous amount against and played well against good opposition in the championship as well. So well done to him.
00:38:21
Speaker
That is a hot take, you know. I mean, I don't entirely disagree. I think he's been excellent, but that is ah that is a hot hot, hot, hot, hot take. Just on the Vlad thing as well. I saw ah ah have seen, I saw, I can't do words, I've had enough. um I've seen a lot of talk the last few weeks about a new goalkeeper in the summer, and I think it has gone decidedly under the radar just how good and assured Vlad has been at ironing out all the problems he's had at the start of the campaign. Like he's coming for crosses more. He looks way more composed on the ball. His decision making has improved tenfold in the last two months. And I just think while he's on this trajectory, that is an area Norwich do not have to look at in the summer at all.
00:39:00
Speaker
I completely agree and i with all of that, but I did really enjoy there was a pass that he absolutely powered at Kenny at one point. yeah Just have some that. It's my birthday. It's my birthday. I'm allowed one of these, aren't I?
00:39:19
Speaker
Kenny brings it down like, oh, you birthday bastard. Norris City may have nothing riding on the rest of this season, but there is a matter of urgency we need to get back to. It's the penultimate episode of ChatGPT Get Banged.
00:39:34
Speaker
Thank you, Ryan. Yes, welcome back to ChatGPT. Get banged, the award-adjacent mystery drama that follows Grant Holt, Wes Houlihan and private detective Dave Stringer as they attempt to uncover the truth behind the mysterious Tactics Board of Truth during Norwich City's two thousand and ten eleven promotion push.
00:39:53
Speaker
push So it's penultimate episode time and the net is finally closing. Michael Bailey has been rescued from the Norwich Castle dungeon. The yellow diamond magnet from Cromer has been linked to the board. And it turns out the tactics board of truth isn't missing at all. It's being used.
00:40:09
Speaker
But by who? And to what end? Is Paul Lambert pulling the strings? Why does the vending machine keep waking up at dramatic moments? And what exactly is powering Norwich's charge towards the Premier League? Starring Zoe Morgan as Holti, Ryan Livermore as Wes, and Steve as Dave Stringer, let's almost find out in episode 11 of ChatGPT Get Banged.
00:40:38
Speaker
It was mid-April 2011. Norwich City had just demolished Scumthorpe United 6... Steve. Sorry.
00:40:50
Speaker
I thought you were doing that as a joke. Boof, boof, boof, boof. I can't believe it was in the way, was it? Even when it's not in the way, you might call it distracting. So if we are keeping this bit in, we are all reading the script off a Google Doc and Steve's big name flashes up every time when I'm trying to read the script. It's the way you said Steve like he was a dog humping your leg. Which I was not doing for the record. I was just beating my cursor.
00:41:22
Speaker
As you were. Norwich City had just demolished Scunthorpe United sicknilel with Holti helping himself to a hat-trick. The Canaries were flying. Promotion wasn't just possible anymore, it was goddamn looming. And yet, the mystery remained.
00:41:38
Speaker
Which is why Wes, Holti and Dave Stringer found themselves standing in the Carrow Road kitchens, wearing fetching aprons. Holti's apron read, Live Laugh Lasagne, Wes's read, Diamond Chef, and Stringer's read, P.I. Investigator.
00:41:53
Speaker
Lovely stuff. Standing before them with the calm authority of someone who had seen Marco Pierre White do unholy things to a chicken was Delia Smith. It's about time I made an an appearance on this on this series. Said Delia, who'd clearly had a couple of gins.
00:42:13
Speaker
Right, gentlemen. Today I'm going to show you how to make the perfect lasagna. Why does she sound like Brian Butterfield? Yeah.
00:42:24
Speaker
It's just how she speaks. Sorry. I've dreamt of this moment for years. Holt, he said, wiping a tear away from his eye and taking a sip from his supersized can of Carlsberg special brew.
00:42:35
Speaker
A good lasagna is all about structure, layers and balance. You could say it's a bit like a narrow diamond midfield. Wes gasped. ah Bloody hell, I love you, Delia, said Wes. You're like me ma, me sister and all of the corers rolled into one.
00:42:56
Speaker
Focus, lads, said Stringer, s swooshing his trench coat worryingly close to an open flame on a hob. We're here because of the tactics, board of truth. Delia calmly stirred a rich, bubbling ragu that had Holti readjusting the front of his apron.
00:43:14
Speaker
Funny you should mention the tactics board of truth, David. All three froze. How do you know about the board, Delia? Delia poured a bottle of gin into the ragu and turned to face the lads.
00:43:27
Speaker
Because, David, I've been part of this football club for a very long time. Long enough to show that success doesn't just come from good players.
00:43:38
Speaker
No, success comes from... Alignment. Delia walked over to a prep table. On it sat a tray, and on the tray were perfectly arranged sheets of lasagna in a diamond shape.
00:43:52
Speaker
Jesus, Mary and the wee Robert Earnshaw. Will you look at that? My god, Delia. The formation. Listen here, chaps.
00:44:04
Speaker
Every layer matters. Remove one and the whole thing collapses. st Stringer slowly reached into his pocket and placed a yellow diamond magnet on the table.
00:44:15
Speaker
Like this magnet here, which, in case listeners have forgotten or maybe just given up the will to live, we found in Kroomer during our Christmas party. Delia looked at it, nodded.
00:44:27
Speaker
Exactly a like that. Silence. Somewhere in the distance was the faint echo of a whir-clunk, the vending machine. Even down here in the kitchens, it could be heard.
00:44:38
Speaker
The Vendiem is reacting again. The Vendiem? The Vendiem. To be fair, the vending machine always reacts when we get closer. Of course it does.
00:44:51
Speaker
The lads all turn to Delia. How do you know this, m'lady? Because the vending machine isn't broken. It's part of the system. She gone Russian suddenly. Like a Russian asset. meant to be bit drunk you some broken What system?
00:45:12
Speaker
Delia gritted her teeth and fixed a smile, like that time in the future when she would hear about those Daniel Farker rumours that first time. The same system that's been guiding this club all season.
00:45:25
Speaker
The tactics board of truth doesn't just predict outcomes, it feeds them. The lad stared at her. With the greatest respect, Delia, what the sweet s***.
00:45:38
Speaker
Gonna have to edit that out later, that's good news, isn't it? Are you talking about... Delia gestured to the lasagna. Energy in, performance out.
00:45:50
Speaker
Balance the layers properly and everything works. So, you're saying Norwich's promotion push is being powered by lasagna?
00:46:03
Speaker
I'm saying it's all connected. If you don't believe me, let's be having your theories. Bloody hell, I was hoping we wouldn't have to stoop so low as the crew by that reference then.
00:46:16
Speaker
I honestly thought we were better than that. Suddenly, the kitchen lights flickered, the oven pinged, the fridge door creaked open slightly on its own, and from no and from somewhere deep within Carrow Road, louder than ever before, were clunk.
00:46:32
Speaker
The vending machine, violent this time, angry, like that time Chris Wilder saw a referee eating a sandwich. Michael Bailey burst into the kitchen, out of breath. Good day, fellas. It's bloody well happening.
00:46:46
Speaker
What's that, Michael? This podcast is finally free of having its hands tied by The Athletic. No, Cobber. The board is flaming changing. Changing hey, Mr Biley.
00:47:00
Speaker
What? Changing hey, Mr Biley. Has he gone Australian as well? That's quite hard to stick to your accent when someone else is talking another one.
00:47:14
Speaker
Bailey looked at them with his twinkling eyes, deadly serious, deadly sexy. The formation? It's not a goddamn bloody diamond anymore, mate. Silence. Even Delia looked concerned, although it could have just been those Farka rumours.
00:47:29
Speaker
Then what is it? Bailey swallowed. Flaming galah, lads. It's becoming something else. The oven door slowly swung open.
00:47:41
Speaker
Inside, the lasagna bubbled. But the layers were shifting, rearranging. Not into a diamond, into something new, something wrong. I don't like that.
00:47:53
Speaker
The bechamel proportions are all off. That's not regulation geometry. Then we're running out of time. to black.
00:48:08
Speaker
that well that's my favorite episode ever and moja that' it only one left my favorite character ever i think we need a spin-off series with delia next uh next season please oh you guys know who brian butterfield is right the peter serafinovich character yeah yeah zoe that was call now It was good.
00:48:32
Speaker
was so good. If it was the Queen Mother making an appearance, or indeed the Queen, would you have changed the voice at all? No. And I felt a bit bad because I think it was a bit Prue Leith in many ways. Because Delia's not posh, is she? No, she's not, no. She's an old lady. You should have done her like Vinnie Jones in Snatch.
00:48:50
Speaker
I mean, it doesn't sound anything like her, but that doesn't take away from the character whatsoever. No, at points, I thought Delia was reading the script, to be honest.
00:49:04
Speaker
can you just do Can you just speak like that all the time now, please? Okay. i It may appear that Norwich City will be slowly turning their attention towards the summer now, but there's still work to do for Philippe Clement's side before the end of the season. Four games left, starting with the trip across country to Bristol City on Saturday.
00:49:25
Speaker
ah Zoe, what is there left to play for? I think you'll find it's pride, Ryan. um Yes, we, I mean, we It would be quite easy, understandable, perhaps if we dropped off a little bit now. um But ah I don't think that's really in Clermont's nature.
00:49:52
Speaker
We... Steve, you'll correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think we've lost two in a row under him. um believe that is true. Yeah, that feels right enough. um We have bounced back from disappointing results. And how many times have we sat here when we have lost or not won and thought and said, oh, perhaps, you know, the injuries have caught up with us or it's one game too many and we've gone and turned in a really good performance in the next game. Yeah.
00:50:21
Speaker
I think it's a good opportunity for them to try and put the disappointment of this week behind them. I think they will want to end this season with people being concerned about how good we might be next season. um I think people being worried about us will be a good way to start off next season um and also help, you know, any potential signings potentially across the line if we seem like we're a threat ah to promotion.
00:50:48
Speaker
um So, yeah, i think I think they will keep going. um And I do think that there's... you know There are starting places in the team next year up for grads. now we've got Now he's got a choice of who to play.
00:51:01
Speaker
We've got more players fit. um you know There are a lot of them still with quite a lot to prove. There's a lot of competition in certain areas. I know there's not in others, but um yeah, I think...
00:51:13
Speaker
The players should want to keep going. um And I think that they will be fueled by the good feeling they get from the fans when things are going right. You know, it's it's been a really good atmosphere. I thought the people that stayed on Saturday as well, you know, really appreciated the players as they as they walked off. um You know, it really wasn't through want of trying that we didn't win on Saturday. um It just didn't work out for us. So, yeah i I am hopeful that we will continue to the end of the season in the manner ah of which we have been playing for most of this calendar year so far.
00:51:48
Speaker
Do you feel like we'll see a lot of the squad used in the next coming weeks, Steve? Or is this going to be a chance to really refine who is wanted next year and and sadly who is not? um i think I think the latter in that i i don't see i don't see Big Phil, as as Zoe said, taking his foot off the gas here. I think we we go to win, we we go out to win this one. I mean, it's not it's not finishing top six and it's not winning the East Anglian derby, but I do think we'll want to finish as high up in the league as we possibly can. We are currently ninth, but we're also, i think, four points from seventeenth So there are quite a lot of clubs queuing up to leapfrog us again. um
00:52:29
Speaker
and also, and again, doesn't mean a whole lot, but the last six fixtures of this season, including Millwall and Ipswich, were all against teams that we lost against under Liam Manning. So I think there might be an element of wanting to get exact a little bit of revenge on the likes of Bristol City, who didn't look particularly great, but still managed to turn us over at Carrow earlier in the season. So, yeah, I i think there's...
00:52:54
Speaker
um I think there's going to be wanting to bounce back. That's going to be the main thing in in big Phil's mind. And I think we will. Last nine games away from home in the league, we've won seven of them.
00:53:04
Speaker
And the other two, we lost narrowly against the form team in the division at that point, Middlesbrough and Southampton. So, yeah, a sort of low key, we're actually a really good away team and maybe just need to do a bit of refining at home. So I'm hoping that continues and against the oldest manager in the league and and possibly the world.
00:53:27
Speaker
it's It's easy from the outside looking in, I think, Dan, to kind of assume that Norwich will be on the beach. But the reality is is, there is quite a lot of stake in these last four fixtures because at the start of the year, we were promised a promotion challenge which never really manifested at all. So a seventh place finish, which I think is the highest Norwich can arguably finish right now. It's kind of ah a point of pride for the sporting department at the football club, isn't it? to kind of save what went so badly at the start of the season.
00:54:02
Speaker
ah Yes, before i answer that, because Steve mentioned Roy Hodgson being the oldest manager in the league, ah I'm turning 44 this month. And the last time Roy Hodgson was manager of Bristol City was the month I was born.
00:54:17
Speaker
That's how old he is. Sorry, I knew where that was leading. I wasn't laughing at you turning 44. And I just really want to see those cute little training videos go out where Roy Hodgson pootles around in training with his shorts on, sort just down to his knee, and he looks like a young, he looks like a schoolboy.
00:54:37
Speaker
That's all I really want from this week. um i Is there much? Yeah, obviously, like finishing... So two things can happen from here. We can peter out. We forget this season, look forward to next season after the you know the the amazing um sort of phoenix from the flames that we've that we've witnessed. Or we finish seventh and we sort of vo mope about wondering what could have happened if Clement had been available you know two weeks earlier, three weeks earlier. There seems to be some disagreement about whether his hip would allow him to have been you know even a week or two ah earlier. um i still think there's...
00:55:15
Speaker
kind of a lot of play for to play for in terms of the squad i just sort of made a note trying to think who are definite starters next season think vlad cordoba fisher mattson maybe kenny uh on his form would deserve to certainly start next season but you know he's not quite a hodgson levels but he is getting on unfortunately but i'm Four or five maybe guaranteed, probably guaranteed starters next season. There's a lot of people within that squad who can make themselves, you know, move those cells themselves into that bracket of being a guaranteed starter, I think. So I do think um that sort of competition might propel us to some, not take our foot off the pedal. Although I do think So i was looking earlier, was trying to work ah trying to remember how many starts Chris Gorin's had in a row and it's nine um which in which he hasn't scored, including the FA Cup game. And we've ah we've actually only scored 10 goals in our last nine games since Chris Gorin has started. So as well as we've played the you know Good win over Millwall, played really well against Southampton and should have got something from that game.
00:56:20
Speaker
does feel like we're sort of the the gas is sort of being let go at a tiny little bit, whether that's because we haven't been able to play McCormick or Torre up top. um So I would like to see us maybe, for the last few games, put that pedal down again and really sort of... Give the fans a little bit of, you know, a bit more hope and a bit more joy after what was ah just a really horrible start to the season. And I think Clement is the kind of guy that will make sure that happens as well.
00:56:49
Speaker
What do we think, Zoe? Three points? Yeah, three points. 3-0. Why not? Why not? Why not? Steve? Yes, I think we'll win. um ah Also, ah Roy, of course, is is good friends with Delia. So I just wondered, maybe in an in an attempt to seek out somebody who's older than him in the stadium, what Delia would say to Roy. um i don't know if we could get an idea of what that would be. Something about how good his legs look at his age.
00:57:20
Speaker
It wasn't you was hoping to hear it. oh after hot Some ideas out there though. Put on this box. but Three points today, Roy, old fella.
00:57:35
Speaker
Lovely, thanks. Dan, what do you think? so Of the prediction, not Zoe's impression. When I was also looking earlier to make sure I knew those Ipswich conceding first, blah, blah, blah stats, I looked at Bristol City and they've taken the lead 15, sorry, not taken the lead, scored first 15 times this season and only conceded seven goals when that happens. So if we score first, then I can see it being a bit of a but of a walk in the park.
00:58:02
Speaker
If they score first, then ah an attritional 2-1 win to us. That leads us on nicely to Kenny Other Business. Anything you want to cover, guys, in this segment?
00:58:17
Speaker
Go on, Steve. Well, other than just to say, just to thank everyone who has come with us on our journey to, um well, our new our new podcasting platform and our new podcast. So thank you for being here. This feels like it should be a very and end of podcast item, but yeah.
00:58:37
Speaker
Please keep listening. Thanks. We love you. Thank you to regular listener Howard, who said he managed it fine, which was very reassuring when we were panicking yeah that it might not be easy for people. Which we definitely were.
00:58:48
Speaker
yeah Yeah. Yes. Thank you, Howard. I thank you for saying hello to me outside the ground the other day. Very kind of you. um The only thing I have for Kenny Other Business is something I came across about an hour and a half ago, and that is that Jack Ruddy, who is John Ruddy's son, who still plays for the Academy, was just liking all of the Ipswich posts on Instagram celebrating their win over Norwich. And it got me kind of thinking, is it a big deal or or not? what I mean, I'm i'm not ah really a social media guy anymore.
00:59:19
Speaker
Zoe like is is that something that you can kind of turn it be made out to be a big deal or is there a lot of a lot of gravitas in what he's done it's a bit weird right and I'm I remember Jack Ruddy when he was a little boy um and John Ruddy was playing for us and he would be mascot quite a lot um it feels like he has been Norwich fan as well as as playing for the academy for his most of his life it does make you wonder potentially like what's I think, you know, liking football and liking the posts of other clubs in general is not a scandal.
00:59:57
Speaker
I think everybody knows that this has the potential to be taken badly. um So, yeah, it is a bit of a weird one. You wonder what might have have gone on. I don't know. Were were Jack Ruddy and Nunez wronged in the same incident, maybe? means Maybe involved a vending machine. Delia's wronged them both, potentially. Sorry about that. LAUGHTER Well, I think that's it for this week's Thunderball OTB and Norris City podcast. A huge thank you to Zoe Morgan, a.k.a. the new Delia.
01:00:36
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Thank you, Ryan.
01:00:39
Speaker
I was not going to just move on. I was so enamoured with it. Thank you very much, Dan Brigham. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you. Thank you. And thank you, Steve Sanders. See you next week, Ryan. If you've enjoyed this episode, please leave a rating on your podcast player of choice and follow us on Instagram. We're on there now as at OTB underscore pod underscore NCFC. Until the next one, never mind the danger.