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E1: Step out the Front Door...
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COUNTING CROWS fans, it's time to celebrate! In this first episode, the two co-hosts (Eric and Chris) introduce themselves, talk about how their Crows obsession started, explain what makes the band so special, re-live a few concert memories, and talk about their plans for the podcast going forward.
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Transcript
Introduction and Motivation
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The way home
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Speaker
Welcome to Sullivan Street, the first episode of the new Counting Crows podcast. I'm your host, Eric Vogelsang, and I'm here with my co-host, Chris Miggs. And I guess one question to start it off for both of us. Why now? Why did we decide to do this podcast, Counting Crows, as I guess from my standpoint,
00:00:41
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I mean, first of all, podcasts are more and more popular. I didn't see Accounting Crows podcast except for Adam's Underwater Sunshine, which we can talk about at some point, but he doesn't usually talk about The Crows too much. It's about more of his love for music and et cetera.
Counting Crows' Enduring Appeal
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but it's good to be here it's great and well and also the answer i think the answer really is why not right isn't it always hasn't it always been fun to talk about cannon crows aren't they the most fun band one of the most fun bands to talk about and especially if you're a crows fan yeah and uh right and they've been 30 years right and so in some ways i don't want to say perfect time but but they're
00:01:23
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but they're at the point of their career where you can look at them retrospectively and talk about the career as a whole. And a lot of us have our either youth tied to them or part of our history, emotional history, et cetera. But also they're not done yet, right? They're still around, they're still touring.
00:01:42
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and we hope release new music. And so yeah, I think it is a
Tour Plans and Fan Engagement
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perfect time. And any other, before I introduce you more, any other comments about having the podcast? We talked about they're about to go on a three month tour. So while we're recording this, I don't know when you'd be listening to this, but we're recording this before that happens.
00:02:01
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we'll be talking about that and there'll be new things and we'll be seeing what they're playing and hopefully new versions of things and interesting stuff to discuss coming out of them being on the road for, I think that was certainly the longest time they've been on the road since the pandemic and probably even a little bit before that.
00:02:18
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Yeah, the idea for the podcast right now is to release a episode every, let's say three to four weeks. That's the current plan. We'll, we'll, we'll go from that and, uh, hope to get people involved. I know, you know, so kind of cross social media from what I understand. I'm just getting back into social media a little bit. I basically have been off social media, uh, for like a decade.
00:02:39
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But I'm back on Reddit, on the Crows Reddit. But the Crows social media, from what I understand, Facebook groups, et cetera, are still fairly active. And that's how people connect with each other. And we think this is just another way to get the community involved. And we'll mention sometime later that we do want people to join us on occasion, even if it's a one time or if you're a heavily active member or just have particular comments about a certain part of Counting Crows, which we'll get into later.
00:03:09
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But okay, so let's introduce ourselves. I guess this is the episode to do this.
Hosts' Backgrounds and Fan Journey
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This episode one is called, of course, Step Out the Front Door because we're starting the podcast. And I think it's the first line, I guess, of around here, which was the track one of their first album. So my name's Eric Vogelsang. My just brief background, well,
00:03:30
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I guess as far as i'll just mention only the part about you know podcasting radio this is my first podcast i've hosted i did do radio work about i guess about 15 years ago for about four four years or so four five years primarily worked in news radio as reporting and hosting the news and chris what about you
00:03:54
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I don't claim professional bonafides, although I did work on my college radio station and played a good bit of Counting Crows back in the day. WHRC, Haverford College Radio, which probably still does not exist. No one listens. Barely anyone listened in the early 2000s. I'm not sure if anyone listens now. And you can also find me talking across the web on predetermined pro wrestling hangout and other podcasts from time to time.
00:04:22
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They asked Eric, I'm curious, how did you get into Counting Crows? Thank you. Yeah, I was going to kick off. And it is funny you said that about the college radio, because you're right. I sometimes think, especially when you listen to August, it has that 90s sound.
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I think more than the other other albums do, there's something about that album that kind of screams that era. And I was thinking, because you're right, I was on college radio too and played a little bit of that. And some other bands remind me of that sound. Of course, a lot of those bands didn't last more than one album. And my obsession has lasted for decades. Yeah, I mean, it's I mean, that's interesting because, well, and we'll derail a little bit. There's a podcast we can do this.
00:05:01
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It's interesting because to me that album is meant to be a college radio album. That was the goal. The height was supposed to be we'll get played on college radio and have enough people listen that we can go on tour and of course end up being sold 10 million records.
00:05:16
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It's massive. But it's interesting to me that that's, I think, still part of the DNA of the band and kind of has always been part of the DNA of the band is the kind of people who and actually it's interesting. There's a long time ago, there was a quote unquote study. I put that in air quotation marks that no one can see if they're not looking at video. About how like smart people like what music makes you smart.
00:05:42
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And realistically, when you actually look at the study, it's actually going the other way. It's like
Live Album Insights
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what music do people who went to colleges with high average SAT scores listen to, which is proof of basically nothing. But interestingly,
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Counting Crows were up there, right? The people who like went to, you know, wanted to hang out and like talk about books also wanted to talk about, listen to Counting Crows and go to those shows, which is not the most surprising thing to me. It's very interesting. I know Adam would like that, I think.
00:06:17
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So yes, you asked me about, I guess, how I became a fan or kind of indirectly. How'd you get into it? How'd you get into it? Yeah. And I'm going to ask you the same, of course. And I said, anybody that joined us, I'll ask them similar questions, which is why, what brought you to the Crows? What keeps you coming back? Why do you think they're special, et cetera, et cetera? And if you're listening to this podcast, I'm sure you feel that way.
00:06:38
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Yeah, you know what, I was thinking about this and I was in college at the time and now I'm not, I forget how the timing worked between like Mr. Jones being released and the album and that's something I'll check on.
00:06:55
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Yeah, I do remember a lot of, I don't want to say I was one of the first people to buy the albums, because I remember that there were a couple friends, and I think even my old roommate had the August album before me. I remember seeing it. And Mr. Jones, of course, was on the radio. And I said, oh, this is a great song. There were a lot of great songs at the time. But just more and more, I guess I just thought, I said, this Mr. Jones song is unbelievably good. And I didn't get sick of it.
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No matter how much it was played and I liked the video and then they released another single around here which I liked. I didn't love as much as Mr. Jones and then I guess Rain King was kind of an unofficial single too. They didn't have a video for that.
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So I just bought the, you know, I bought the album. Like I was buying a lot of them on tape while I was driving around my hometown and sometimes in my dorm room. I, did I have a CD? I use either right about to get a CD player or, but for whatever reason, I think I had the tape first for, for August.
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I just listened to that album. And I was like, every song is unbelievably good. And out of my top 10 albums at the time, I just kept going back. And the lyrics I thought were unbelievable. And just one of the things, sometimes you don't know how or why it hits you. And it did. And then I had a friend that we bonded over it, usually after a few drinks. And so I guess I just want to say that's how I started. What about you?
Personal Connections through Music
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See, I took a, I think I took a more winding road to it because obviously I heard, you know, Mr. Jones and round here and I liked them. I guess fine. I liked, I got a little more hooked with long December and daylight fading. The first record of theirs that actually bought was recovering the satellites.
00:08:45
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in, I'm not even sure if I bought it, it might've been a Christmas present, but during that time period. But even then, it was sort of slower and built, and someone, I remember someone gave me this desert life, loved Colorblind, because Cruel Intentions, great film, great film, especially if you're a teenager at the time, very exciting movie. But even then, again, bits and pieces liked the band, liked them,
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didn't end up buying August and everything after until I got, when I was a freshman in college, I spent a lot of time at a used music store in the town and I bought that record because I was trying to go back and I was like, oh, I know, there are these records that I know that I liked that I never owned for whatever reason. Cause I was maybe too young and I wasn't buying quite as many records at that stage. And so I went back and again, I bought a bunch of things. I bought, I bought Throwing Copper from Live.
00:09:39
Speaker
I bought, I bought, I bought, uh, I bought bad out of hell, which I love older, obviously, but, and I bought, but I bought Dookie. I don't think I've ever had owned Dookie and I finally bought it as you know, many years after the fact, but I also, I bought August and everything after and that started sinking me deeper. But I really think what ended up kind of hooking me like, like fully kind of sinking in was, you know, it's this, this was the time period of,
00:10:07
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You know, limewire is a little past Napster, but like limewire and all those other things. And I think hearing the across a wire version of Mr. Jones.
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was really kind of what got me that made me go, oh, wait a minute. I've heard this song. I like this song. But now I've heard this version. And now I love this song. Now this is deep and interesting. And it's got this different, why is this beginning different? And why is the ending a whole other different thing? And this other ending is really
Musicianship and Band Dynamics
00:10:36
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cool. And that really kind of makes me think about stuff. And really that kind of time period, that going back and getting that, along with like hard candy coming out weirdly enough, which is not,
00:10:47
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not super high on my list of favorite records anymore, but just sort of that time period, it was an excuse to go listen to them more. And then it kind of got all the way in and around, I guess I'd say 2002, 2003 and never, never looked back, you know. Yeah, it's interesting you said that because we can talk about this and we'll have a future episode about Across the Wire, but I can't
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And maybe there was music released in the 70s, 80s, or 60s or something that had this, but I cannot for the life of me think of a band that released an album
00:11:21
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shortly after right at that point they only had two releases right across the wire so so where basically every song are almost every song on that across wire acoustic was different but still amazing and and you're right it showed me something with
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how they were different than other bands musically or how they approached live music. In addition to separating that from the lyrics and their prior albums, you're right. That was a big
Concert Experiences
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part of me. One thing I was thinking about with obsessions that I have is that I guess it's kind of like friendships you have or relationships.
00:12:07
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Yes, I that album was probably I'm guessing my favorite album of that year or whatever and then I was working actually at I don't know if you remember Circuit City kind of like a best when recovering the satellites came out and I saw like a poster for it and I'm buying that but but but with a lot of obsessions, it's that
00:12:24
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it grows over time. Like, I guess consistency is something that means a lot to me and where I'm like, wow, that first album is amazing. That second album is different and amazing. The third album is different. And then all of a sudden I'm like, wow, this keeps going. And then and then I build up that kind of obsessive. I've done that with movie series. I'm trying to think of a good one. But even like, I don't know, the Mission Impossible series, for example, I like it kind of partly because it's a series that generally I thought had pretty good quality. So then I kind of
00:12:53
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build this loyalty, no matter, you know, separate that from one particular movie being amazing or whatever. Yeah, and it's supposed to some bands where you hear that great first record and then, you know, it kind of tails off a little bit. You know, there's there's something that's like, oh, I like that record and some songs later and, you know, that intensity kind of wanes. When I was younger, actually, I was like, well, I try not to go see a band on their first record because I want to, you know, more. And it's like, actually, no, actually, if you love that first record, you should probably just go see them play it.
00:13:21
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I learned that lesson a couple of bands. I was like, no, because now they're playing new stuff, and I actually don't like this as much. And I really like the old stuff, and I'm disappointed they're not playing the old stuff. Did you ever have people that write, they say, like, ask them what their favorite band is, their favorite artist? And they mention, like, someone who just has either one single or their first album. And sometimes I want to say, no, I'm not saying, what are you listening to right now? I'm saying, like, what is your favorite all time? But some people can't separate that.
00:13:52
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Yeah, that's so interesting.
00:13:58
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Oh, we'll talk about this in a future podcast, but do you have either any friends or family or relationships that share the passion part, not just like them casually, or do some people either, you know, almost laugh at you, the fact that you love Crows so much, et cetera? But when you tell, I think there are people in this world when you tell anything, they've seen any band like more than 50 times, people will go like, that's weird. And it's like, no, that's actually normal if you're,
00:14:26
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the right kind of person to me. I know lots of people- Or go by yourself, maybe, that some people don't like going to concerts by themselves, but I would surprise myself all the time, if I could. I would have gone to more shows by myself when I was younger if we had smartphones. Just because it got boring between sets sometimes, you know what I mean? Now people are like, I don't know what I'll do if I go to a concert alone. And it's like,
00:14:47
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You've got a phone in your pocket to entertain you for that twenty minutes if you don't make a friend. You'll be okay. You will be okay. And when the music is playing, you don't need to talk to anyone about it, right? You can talk to them later. And you should be listening and not talking, and I think we all agree on that at a show.
00:15:03
Speaker
No, that's great. Before I get into one of the questions, which is about concerts, actually, I did want to say one other thing about my obsession with Crows. I guess it seems obvious because I think anybody who's obsessed with the Crows, part of it is, of course, Adam's lyrics. One of the genius parts of his lyrics is that he mentions things that are very specific
00:15:29
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but also somehow universal. And I don't know many artists that can pull that off, that it seems like he's telling a story that's just about a specific time. And not only could they be universal to other people, but also universal in time in some ways, right? And one thing
00:15:46
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that I'll never, and I'm not Adam's age, I think I'm about 10 years younger, I checked that out, but it just, there are certain, and I guess we all feel this way, but you know, certain albums, like when they released, I remember even the Saturday Night Sunday mornings that we'll talk about that album in the future, but
00:16:06
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I think he admitted later that he was, that's kind of when he was going through his mental health challenges, whatever you want to call it, nervous breakdown, this kind of admitting these challenges. And that's also when I was feeling the exact same thing. Now, whether that's me thinking that or just time of life, or again, I was kind of overseas, but that kind of, I guess he's feeling like both grandiosity and like a Superman.
00:16:29
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And at the same time, going through depression and everything's breaking apart. That's exactly what I was going through when that album was. And it just kept happening over and over. So that's one of the reasons I love to. And I'm sure lyrics are one thing that has brought you back over and over. Oh, for sure. And we'll get very deep into those at some point in some of the songs. But yeah, I mean, that sense of that, like, I think we all kind of love people, musicians,
00:16:52
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Again if you're someone who loves lyrics, it's someone who feels like a bit of an older brother or a wise sage. Oh, I never thought about that. They've gone through something and they're kind of giving you advice about it in a certain way.
00:17:07
Speaker
You know, he's obviously Adam's a little bit older than me. But that's a good take. That is my younger uncle. I don't know in that case. But the same idea that like that they're that level of logic of they've seen it through and you're going, OK, that's how I can look at this in a way and interpret my own experience. You know. Yeah, that's right. And of course,
00:17:29
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It goes without saying, we already implied that we think the musicianship is amazing. The fact that a lot of the band has been there from the beginning and they all contribute things, and the fact that the band is like a team, right? Of course, a couple members have come and left, but there hasn't been major disharmony and fights that has affected so many other
00:17:52
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great bands throughout time. And I think that's been a big net positive.
Fan Community and Interactions
00:17:58
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I always like Adam's quote about the about why he's like people like should I do it? Do you worry if you can do a solo album? He's like, why would I do that? I've got this team of people who support me in building this vision. So I what do I need to go solo for? I this is this is my these are my guys, you know. Yeah. And it's so
00:18:18
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Yes, and it's so honest when he says that. Of course, Adam, to be in his day, you have to have a bit of ego and confidence and think, hey, I could write a solo album if I want. But what is it when they play Start Again in the concert? And he mentions that I love the song, we do it a lot in dress rehearsal, we do it a lot in the... And it's like, I just love playing with my friends. This is fun.
00:18:43
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And they obviously are on the same page, and I'm not an expert on this, but when they do their kind of improvising, particularly in some of their earlier concerts, that a lot of that was just being on the same page, right? That you wouldn't have necessarily with other musicians, so. Yeah, hearing something and just knowing each other well enough to know and follow each other and sort of take that journey together.
00:19:07
Speaker
Yeah, you talked about, again, digress a little bit, but the one thing I want to say about people in your life who love this. Oh, yes, yes. When I met my wife, she was a Counting Crows fan, not quite as big as I was. And I was going through a very big Counting Crows kick at the time. I felt like it was one of their last, I think, real peaks as a touring act in sort of the early 2010s. And I was listening to those shows and a lot of the older ones too.
00:19:32
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and then somewhere a few years into our relationship, I think I burnt my wife out. I think she's... I think it's my fault. I think she would like counting crows more now if she didn't know me. Then she was like, yeah.
00:19:49
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Sorry, my best friend no from high school who was the biggest grows fan with me. He actually made a comment recently, which is not true. Now, part of this is somewhat true because of my age and the fact I listen to more podcasts now then then then I used to which which takes away the music time. But I was talking about crow and he was like, Do you listen to anything other than kind of grows which I do but almost he was kind of
00:20:14
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Making a similar comment right that in some ways maybe I've even burned them out through the years
00:20:21
Speaker
No, that's so good. Yeah. No, I think I had some college friends. I do still have some friends. In fact, when Crows News comes out, I want to say there is maybe eight people that are friends of mine who I know like the Crows. And when I say like the Crows, I guess most of them now, I don't even know if they go to the shows, maybe every couple of years, but they will buy all of the new releases that come out.
00:20:45
Speaker
So I do have, I guess, yeah, like maybe eight friends that certainly if I send something, hey, the Butter Miracles coming out, they'll all buy, including my sister. So that's fantastic. So maybe one thing now, again, when we get to the maybe in about 10 minutes or so or 15 minutes, we'll talk about the future plans of the podcast, what we plan to do on a regular basis. And when we do those future plans,
00:21:15
Speaker
For example, when we talk about live shows, we're gonna talk about, of course, our memories of some of the live shows we've done. But just for the sake of today's first episode and having another bit of Q&A, we can preview that a little bit by maybe talking about
00:21:34
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briefly about your first concert you attended and maybe one or two memories of that and then maybe even your most recent concert you attended and one or two memories of that. Sure. Sure. My first one is at Jones Beach, 2003, August 26th, I think they played two nights there. I think it was the 26th. I had terrible tickets, really, really terrible tickets. But Jones Beach is actually kind of a decent place to have terrible tickets because Jones Beach, it's really right on the water.
00:22:04
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on the beach in Long Island, it of course comes up in, that specific space comes up in hard candy, right? The evenings on Long Island when the summer starts to fade. About him seeing a show at Jones Beach with his then girlfriend. I think it's a Neil Young show. So, but it's a kind of an okay place to have terrible tickets because if you're close, you can see the band. It's not a bad thing to have close tickets, but you can kind of see the water and kind of get that whole thing.
00:22:31
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And I remember they opened with Rain King, which is one of my all time favorite songs. And we'll talk about that song in great detail over the many episodes. And they went into raining in Baltimore and came back. And actually, the friend of mine next to me is also a Counting Crows fan, but maybe not quite the levels I was to meet. He said, wait a minute, we're still in Rain King? I was like, yeah. Isn't it great?
00:22:54
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And, uh, but yeah, and just remember that night, I mean, it's like, it's a good show. I mean, I look back at 2003 and I go those, that's like a good year for the band, but not a great year. But of course it's my first show. And so there's a lot of memories of those versions of the songs in particular, right? The slower version of.
00:23:11
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of Rain King that they were playing and a few other things at that time. Also, the first time that that weekend was the first time they played Washington Square.
Concert Memories and Unique Performances
00:23:20
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Oh, they played it in the encore because he was feeling he just he just moved to New York and that songs about sort of New York and
00:23:28
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Which was kind of cool. Maybe they're going to play a song that you've never heard before. I always appreciate a band that does. I know there are people who hate that. But I love, you know, hey, what's going to happen? Hey, we've got a couple of new ones for you. Maybe this is going to be my favorite song and I'm going to be able to tell the story about being the first person or one of the first people to hear it.
00:23:49
Speaker
No, that's right. And I was just saying, I felt that way about Miami. I was able to hear Miami before it was released. And my friend that I was talking about, my high school friend looked at each other and especially that's a pretty darn good live song. And because of the crescendo of the energy and everything. And we looked at each other and we're like, that song is going to be special, right? But you're right. I guess I always think, oh, I heard it before it was released. So yeah. Yeah. I also think that's an interesting song too, because it's one of the
00:24:19
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If you like. They've got two versions of that song, right? And I think their best songs live are the ones where they've got they've got the rock and roll version, but they've also got that acoustic version. I wish they would use more. They use it for a lot in like 2008, 2009.
00:24:38
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and not much recently, you're right. Not much, yeah. And I think, ah man, that's one of the things I love about that song is you can kind of go, there's a really beautiful performance from like a Colorado radio station around the time when Hard Candy was released. That is heartbreaking, like devastating. Like that's, and again, what I love about that song, you kind of go both. You can get the devastating sort of pathos of the lyrics, but also this big sort of celebratory, I'm making, there's sadness in these things, but I'm also making
00:25:06
Speaker
a meal out of it and I'm going to go have fun with my friends in New Orleans and it's going to be OK and we're all going to be OK together. So, yeah, it's such a great song. My most recent prose experience was last summer at. At the Paramount Theatre in Long Island, a good show. Played a couple interesting things in there. The other one, actually, I saw them twice that week.
00:25:33
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And the week before, that week, and the second time I saw it was at the Capitol Theater, and they played, we'll talk about more, but they played one of my White Whales. They played Speedway. They opened with Speedway, which is a song I've been trying to hear them play for 10 years in a row.
00:25:52
Speaker
Oh yeah it's great and well that's funny you said that cuz i actually got one of my uh white whales recently too and i even mentioned this on the uh the reddit recently someone said something but but that's that's interesting you told me before but i had forgotten your first show was 2003 because despite me being a fan since the quote unquote beginning,
00:26:11
Speaker
I did not see them. So most of my shows that I saw were between, I think, 02 and 05 to this day. Because that was just, again, I had to do with, was I in the country at the time? I was out of the country a lot. Did I have any money to discretionary funds? A lot of times, no. Did I have a car to get to places? A lot of times, no. But I did have those things between 02 and 05. I did miss one. I will say I missed one. I've seen a lot of great shows. I have very few regrets.
00:26:40
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I did not have a car in 2007. I was trying to convince anyone to go with me to see them in Lakewood, New Jersey, kind of deep into Jersey. I looked, there's like no public transportation, had a ticket, just could not get there. And that night, unexpectedly, they played August and everything after a straight through. And I remember looking at the setlist next day and going, oh no, why couldn't I get there?
00:27:08
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And then, of course, I did get to see them play it all the way through at Town Hall a few weeks later, but then, thankfully, I feel like that ease the regret was sort of like, I've gotten lucky a couple times in my life as a concert going fan of being like, of getting not quite as good as the like, oh my God, I can't believe this is happening version, but it's still cool when it does happen later.
00:27:30
Speaker
But yeah, and actually, I think that part of it, the disappointment of missing that kicked off me seeing them just a ton of times over the next couple of years. Because I was just like, shit, I don't know what's going to happen. I got to keep going. Even if the last one wasn't as good, who knows what's going to happen to the next one?
00:27:47
Speaker
It's funny. I think I've even heard Adam interviewed in the past to say something that you just brought up. When we have regrets, sometimes we try to compensate about it for years. And that's what you did with that concert. Yeah.
00:28:03
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That was a good it was good compensation, though. I think this was a good this was no downsides. This was all positive. Yeah, my first show then I just looked at the exact date while while we were waiting to start the podcast, but was in 1999. It was November. I had to see because they played a couple of days. But in New York City, the Hammerstein Ballroom, November 7th, 1999. And that was shortly after this Desert Life was released.
00:28:33
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And so I have a couple of memories of that. You know, it's funny looking at the set list. I was like, geez, I didn't remember they played that. I do kind of remember them playing that one. But but the two memories that stand out, one, of course, just the fact that I got to see them live. And again, I at the time, I probably had five bands that were my co favorites, but they definitely was obsessed with them. Now later, of course, they kind of separated themselves. But but being able to see them live, of course, was amazing.
00:28:58
Speaker
I did have a bunch of beers at a bar next door before the show. And I say that because that was kind of the first time I drank before a concert and it ended up not being the last. And I want to say there's maybe been even two shows of Crows that I didn't enjoy as much because I was too drunk to enjoy. But the other thing that I'll never Oh, one thing that was interesting too, besides the fact that it was in even though it was in New York City, there's someone at the bar ahead of time.
00:29:26
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some girl, I said that maybe she was 20 or something. I guess she said something like, Omaha is my favorite song because I'm from Nebraska. We all love that song in Nebraska. I thought that was funny that the whole state appreciated that song. But one thing that stood out to me, and I think me and you had even talked about this before, was that
00:29:52
Speaker
The I guess I didn't there's part of me that thought particularly a band that is catering to the age of you know what I mean? So so so we'll just say the average fan at that time was 25 years old or you know or 20 or college age and you think of college you know being kind of more obsessive and have more time to listen to music than if you're 60 or whatever. So I say that because
00:30:14
Speaker
That was the first time I realized, I was like, wow, a lot of this crowd did not know the songs from Desert Life, even though it was released, I think just a couple of weeks prior. And then I was almost like, how could they be at a Counting Crow show and not know all the new songs from the new? And then, you know, I didn't realize that not everybody was obsessive of me or that thought they had to prepare for it for a concert or whatever.
00:30:38
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So, um, and they didn't really been that guy too. I remember not less of the crows, but with the, uh, I remember going to a strokes concert and, uh, right before, right after the second record came out and being on the way in the car and being like, we gotta, we gotta prepare guys. They're going to play some of these songs. We gotta, we gotta be ready. We gotta know.
00:30:55
Speaker
I'm checking it right now and this makes sense. It was I think back then albums were released on a Tuesday's so it was released on November 2nd and I kind of remember that we went on which was a Tuesday we went on a road trip the entire road trip we listened to the album and then got to New York that would be
00:31:13
Speaker
five days later. Right. So on Sunday, right. So we saw them five days after the release of this desert life. And even though it's only five days, it's so silly in retrospect. I was like, how could these people not know all of the songs from the album released five days ago? Didn't they spend all weekend listening to it?
00:31:29
Speaker
Well, not only is it just five days, but you're in a car just bumping it. Yes. Like maybe a big fan at that point is maybe on their fourth or fifth listen. You're on your like 38th. You've just been like in a loop. You're going. You're just like, yeah, we've been driving for five days straight. We've been listening to nothing but this.
00:31:48
Speaker
and you're ready to go. Yeah, of course. And it's funny, and last thing about that is that I'm looking at the set list right now, and I think it tells me something about Crows, that seven, I think it's seven of the 19 songs they played were from the new album, right? So, yeah, they played a lot of the classics, right? They played Mr. Jones, they played Murder of One. I'm looking at it now. They played Daylight Savings, but a Daylight Fading, sorry, Daylight Savings.
00:32:17
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that, but they played Amy Hit the Atmosphere, which I think I told you that I think they've only played on that tour, played Four Days, they played Speedway. So, right, they were not going to miss the chance to promote their new album. Well, they wanted to play that. And again, they were gonna play, I mean, that's, and I actually really liked that tour. I think that's when they were doing sort of the half in-between version of Mr. Jones, where they were doing like the sort of rock and roll start intro, but then kind of the more rock and roll version
00:32:44
Speaker
of like of Mr. Jones. So sort of the the across a wire version, but closer to the original in terms of overall kind of tone and energy. Yeah, no, no, that that's right.
00:32:57
Speaker
Yeah, and I know we'll say this in a future episode, but the kind of idiosyncratic or the things that they do that are a little different, these different versions, somehow the way he sings or does things a little different than, as he said, we know how to play them now. He says that about a lot of songs. And of course, a lot of casual fans back in the late 90s, early 2000s that saw them at some show like, oh, I don't really like that.
00:33:22
Speaker
I never understood it. And it wasn't one of those that I was defending them just because I like them. I just said like, no, I think this sounds actually better version and why you can play the CD if you want the exact one and all that kind of stuff. Yeah, I will say the most recent
00:33:42
Speaker
the concert I went to was in on their European tour that just happened last year. And the last one was might have been the best concert I went to in part because I guess it was the only time that I was
00:33:57
Speaker
right up front I guess officially you call it second row it was standing right I was behind somebody but like the best position right basically right in front of Adam and I was one person deep and I could have been at the front if I wanted to go a little bit to the right but I might have been like the ninth fan in the in the show and so just being that close and after being a fan of them for 30 years was uh yeah amazing and I'll never
00:34:24
Speaker
I'll never forget that. What was your white whale? Yeah. So that was at the, so in this European show, I saw three shows and it's not that it's the number one white whale. I mean, cause I could, cause sometimes you have to be reasonable about your white whale too. Like, like I've heard somebody say like, Oh, I wish they play Einstein on the beat. Like he said, you know, he could change his mind. He said like 20 years ago, I'm never going to play that in concert. So don't look for it. Um, I, I, they haven't played,
00:34:50
Speaker
Like for example she don't want nobody here or whatever they haven't played that they released the greatest hits they did play played for a couple months i think but i guess it my recent. What we all that i thought was very small chance but possible was fourteen ninety two.
00:35:09
Speaker
I never saw it live. And in this entire tour, the only time they played it, and I think the only time they played it in the last, I want to say five years was at this concert in Manchester. He just randomly played it. Hardly anybody around me knew it, even if they were pretty
00:35:26
Speaker
I don't want to say hardcore, but pretty big fans that knew a lot of B-sides or non-singles, but they didn't really know 1492 or forgot about it. He did end it by saying, oh, I haven't played that song in a while and now I remember why it kind of hurts my voice a bit.
00:35:49
Speaker
Anything else before we get into, well, it is 30, 35. At first I was going to maybe preview, maybe you don't talk about it too much, but have you had, I know you told me once off podcast.
00:36:04
Speaker
maybe briefly about meeting some of the band members or any, any experience. Sure. I've never actually, so I've never, I've never talked to Adam. I've been basically as the Outlaw Roadshow when you're going to order Sunshine Festivals. I've been very close to the man many times in like physical proximity, but I've never really shared a conversation with the guy. I have met
00:36:26
Speaker
I met, I've met Dan at one of those very briefly, just kind of talk with him a very little bit. And I met one of my, I met Dave Bryson after one of the Wellmont theater shows in 2008, speaking of sort of white whales.
00:36:40
Speaker
The second night, that's one of my, if you haven't listened to the Walmont Theatre shows and you have Nugg's Net, they're on there in one of my recommendations. It's three nights in a row in 2008. And they didn't repeat a song with the exception of Long December, which Adam says he just forgot. They played it. And they repeated Rain King, but they played it two different ways. And it's Rain King, so I'll never say no Rain King.
00:37:03
Speaker
But three nights, 50 something, almost 60 songs. And the night two of that, I got what was then my White Will, which is Mercury. I'd always loved that song. It had a lot of meaning to me about some relationship stuff. And I'd been like, I'd love to see them play that. And they played it very, very rarely in that time period. So they busted that out.
00:37:24
Speaker
Although also, again, it's the interesting thing with the crows, those experiences of like, you're having this big moment. And I remember the person who I was with, who was all, again, a fan of them, was really excited to see the show with me. Adam goes into this alt about sticking a needle in your arm and it feeling like love.
00:37:42
Speaker
And I was like, oh, I'm always going with this. It's not my favorite version of Mercury, but okay. I'm seeing Mercury. And my friend's like, what the hell is he talking about? What is this? A, this isn't in the song. And B, what is this? And I'm like, I don't know. He's just making stuff up right now. You got to let it happen. They're not all going to be classics.
00:38:00
Speaker
That's funny. And the next night, though, I remember going and it was my friend, my friend Sandy, who that's the first time we met was sort of figuring out how to get back from those shows. Now we've been friends for 15 years now going to Counting Crows and other concerts together. And
00:38:15
Speaker
She said, is there anything you want to hear now that you got like you got this? And I was like, well, it'd be cool to hear the ghost in you. But to your point, Eric, I was like, I'm a reasonable person. I don't think I'm ever going to hear them play that play that thing in like 15 years or something. It'd be cool to see that. But like I was just happy to be thinking about the song. It'd be nice if it happened. But there's no way it's ever going to happen. Right. Right.
00:38:35
Speaker
And they come the encore, it's Halloween or right before Halloween. They come out in costumes, Adam as the bunny and Dave as Scooby-Doo. And they play just the two of them, the ghost in you.
Fan Engagement and Future Podcast Plans
00:38:49
Speaker
And I, like I'm in the tier, your experience of 1492, I'm losing my mind. Everyone around me is like, well, it's okay.
00:38:56
Speaker
That's nice. Yeah. I'm literally like jumping. And he said, she's like, you could see the joy physically jumping out of you. Like it was all just I was like, like exploding with excitement. Correct me if I'm wrong. Did that.
00:39:11
Speaker
That song might be on YouTube. I think that is that on YouTube, that one. It might be. I mean, if they're in costumes, there's not too many where they came out and played it. It's one where they were both in costumes. And I want to say it's that song, but I'll I'll check that and confirm. I think it's yeah, I think it's I think it's on there because I definitely they've released a bunch of videos from that.
00:39:28
Speaker
That's so interesting. But anyway, so my friend was waiting to go to the bathroom afterwards and I was, you know, waiting for her before we got her right back and just happened to kind of wander back into the venue. And there's Dave Bryson talking to some people. And I was like, I don't I don't want to bother you, but I just want to tell you, man, that was incredible. I mean, it was one of the most amazing things he's like. The song or the costume. I was like, the song, definitely the song. And he was like, thank you.
00:39:58
Speaker
But yeah, again, we haven't met them too much, but maybe as part of this thing, we'll have to try to be able to interview some of them at some time. And it is funny too, because I have a different relationship with them. Sorry, as you get older, you change, they change. As I said, if you have six albums of history, that might be different than one album of history. The first time I, I have a couple experiences, but none of them,
00:40:28
Speaker
you know, yeah, I guess maybe six little experiences. The one is I actually I didn't hear them play, but I was there for the hard candy release party, which just happened to be in Philadelphia. They played the music. I'm forgetting the name of the song now for the show for NPR. They played like a little set. World Cafe. World Cafe. I was not I did not make it into the World Cafe. But after that, they allowed people to come in and get
00:40:55
Speaker
I forget if I guess you had to buy the CD there, but you can get the CD signed by all of them. Of course, it's just a line and they quickly and you don't even say anything to them, whatever. But I hung around a bit and some of them later then started walking, it was a Tower Records, I think, and started walking around and you know, Adam, especially back then, you know, love
00:41:14
Speaker
perusing CD stores or whatever. If I remember correctly, I did not bother or talk to him at all because he looked like, he didn't really have that many people bothering him, but he looked like maybe he was in the, he wanted to concentrate on his music. And so there were a couple other walking around. The only two I think I said hi to was Matt Malley at the time and Dave Bryson. I think Matt, I talked to a shorter period of time. I think I didn't have any, I wasn't sure what to say. Dave, I talked to them actually about,
00:41:43
Speaker
Make sure you play all your like you know never take anything out of the rotation i think i said something about miller's angels i was like miller's angels you haven't played that much you know and he just kind of laughed he's like we try to play everything.
00:41:57
Speaker
I did the only real interactive and I did have a group. The other thing that I guess would be if I did do one of the meet and greets with them. So I kind of quickly said, but I didn't talk to any of them. I guess the only ones I said is I joke with Jim because I kind of stood next to Jim and I made a funny comment to him. And I think I said how much I love Dave Bryson and Jim's like, we all love Dave Bryson.
00:42:18
Speaker
before they took my photo. But I was really drunk then. I saw Emmy outside of a show talking to six fans and they had their thing and I kind of said hi and I didn't really interrupt but I didn't have anything to say to him and I was kind of stumbling around. I guess that was about it. There was one time that Adam, he would never do this. He was on a college tour and I went and I guess it was after the show, I guess after. I'm trying to think that was before or after.
00:42:47
Speaker
I haven't been before, but he was there and there was like 15, I guess college students around him and just asking him questions. Mostly they were, I think a couple from the radio station or the newspaper asking questions and a couple of fans. My friend insists to this day, this is about 20 years ago, that he was, that Adam might have been
00:43:06
Speaker
either trying to pick up or flirt with maybe one or two of the young women. I don't know. That was very quick. But I remember I said like one, no, it was after the show because I said thanks for one. I didn't ask him a question and then I made one. I guess I'll say this now that I made one comment that because I didn't know what else to say. I was almost trying to show that I was a fan
00:43:27
Speaker
and get in and i think it was just the down and i think it just moved to new york and i and i think i said. Oh congrats on the move to like are you officially new yorker now and look to be kind of annoyed is like officially anything.
00:43:42
Speaker
because he was there kind of doing the Q&A, but I guess, you know, that wasn't the best question. So I guess that's my experience meeting the band for the most part. So very little, but as you said, it would be great in the future to talk to one or all of them at some point.
00:44:00
Speaker
So speaking of the future i guess i we've been talking for forty five minutes so i guess for the most of the let's say last fifteen minutes we just want to preview the ideas and the future episodes that we're going to have and i do want to say.
00:44:15
Speaker
and I'll probably say this every episode, despite the fact that we are going to be, I guess, the official co-hosts of the show, we're always looking for, I guess I want to say regular other co-hosts that want to come on maybe every five episodes or come on when we talk about their specialty. Maybe it's bootlegs. There's a lot of bootleg experts out there. I am not one of those. So we'd love to hear from you about that.
00:44:43
Speaker
if you want to be on maybe even as a one-time fan just to talk about your experience or love with the crows we would love to have that too so we'll put the email on there we are our email is
00:44:56
Speaker
Sullivan Street PC. So Sullivan Street, Street written out PC for podcast at protonmail.com. And we will get your email and respond to that, particularly any kind of, of course, thoughts, advice, suggestions, feedback. And if you want to be a guest, either maybe regular or one time, we'd love to hear from you there, too. So for future plans, of course, like Chris kicked off in the show saying, hey, one thing.
00:45:25
Speaker
is that if there's any news about the band, we will kick off any episode. And so even though now we're far in, I'll just let you talk about, of course, the, I guess, quote unquote, the big news is that they just finished their, I guess it's Australian and South African shows, taking a little break and then kick off like you made a point, which I didn't catch right away, that this is one of their probably longest tours in a long time. Yeah, it's a full three months. They're going out with a dashboard confessional.
00:45:54
Speaker
Not a band I've spent a ton of time with, but I'm kind of excited. One of the things about seeing a band a lot of times.
00:46:01
Speaker
that you love is that if they're going on tour with other bands, you end up watching that band several nights in a row. And there are a few bands that I've seen with the Crows that I'm good on at this point. I'm good. So when they were announcing that, there were rumors that there was going to be kind of a bigger kind of like shed tour, which would generally involve multiple larger bands. I was just hoping, I was mainly for me, as much as I joke about, I mentioned earlier that I was
00:46:31
Speaker
I'd bought Throwing Copper. I don't need to see live ever again. I've seen them a couple times with the Crows. I'm good. It was a nice experience. I'm good. I'm glad to see them out with a band that I haven't seen before in full. Interestingly, I've seen Chris Carabba. I saw him with the Crows. He showed up once at the Town Hall thing and did a couple of songs. I've also seen his band Twin Forks once or twice, actually with Augustana.
00:46:58
Speaker
or slash Dan Laius, who of course I discovered through the crows and we'll talk about some of those bands down the line. So I'm excited to see them, but yeah, they're out there for a while. So if they're not coming to a town near you, they probably don't like you. I hate to break this to you, but they probably aggressively don't like your town. You guys did something somewhere down the line, because they're really, they're hitting like everywhere.
Upcoming Tour and Podcast Themes
00:47:24
Speaker
So I think I'm going to go see them. I think I'm going to go see them at Jones Beach again. I think that's the plan is back to where it all began and see them on, on the store. How about you? Do you think you're going to, yeah, we're, we're, we're, yeah, we're both, I guess originally quote unquote Northeasterners. I'm originally from Philadelphia and you're living in the New York Metro. I am now in Southern California and I've been here for about a decade now. I will see them twice on this show. I mean, part of it too, which I guess their accountants and managers,
00:47:54
Speaker
you know i hate the term like you know like nostalgia shows and stuff like that and of course there's even a joke that when a band becomes a nostalgia tour they can charge more money because at that point the audience has more money and they've already established their their fan base and that's you know and that's where they generate a lot of their income from but but the
00:48:13
Speaker
But along those lines, being such a big rose head, I am a obsessive person, if you will, that from now on, unless, you know, just the circumstances don't allow it, you know, I don't know how much longer they're going to tour for. I don't know. It could be a long time. Could not be. So I'm going to try to see them at least once every tour, you know, now. So I am going to see them at the Highland Show, at the Yama Yama Theater.
00:48:41
Speaker
that is about an hour and a half east of l.a. and then you're not too far from where i live and then i will be seeing them at the youtube theater in los angeles i've never been there so if any listeners of the podcast are heading there you can email me we can meet up ahead of time or during the show that be fantastic i might try to make it to the san diego show that that's the bit of a question mark.
00:49:03
Speaker
Particularly, I think, because the main tickets went to people that are quote unquote members of that park. But I know there's some on the second hand. So we'll see. We'll see. But yes, well, any news about the tours and new albums, of course, or anything at all, we'll talk about. Obviously any podcast that focused on a band, one thing we're going to do, and currently we plan to have the next.
00:49:25
Speaker
podcast episode to kick off this is that we will review all of their albums one by one. All of the main albums will be our first focus, but we'll also be looking at the live albums, looking at all their other songs. Obviously concerts are one reason why people, maybe the hardcore crows heads have become obsessed with the crows or have been in the past.
00:49:55
Speaker
So there's the the official releases where they released entire concerts, then there are some available on YouTube, etc. Like you said, there's even they had that reissue of rerecording the whole August live. And of course, the bootleg shows, if you will, that, you know, the crows and Adam said this a lot of times in his interviews, there's not well, maybe there is, but but they basically recorded every show ever some
00:50:24
Speaker
I think there's a couple they haven't been able to release for various reasons. So we'll get into, we've talked about our first and most recent concert, Details and Memories, but we'd love to also hear yours. We also have a lot in between. Chris Miggs has gone to many more shows than me, even though I may be quote unquote started before you. I forget what my list is. I think it's around 20. Cause I said there was a lot of times that I've missed and you said you believe you're above the 50 mark.
00:50:50
Speaker
I know I'm somewhere in the 50s. I have to find the list and see. I know I crossed over 50 at some point, and I'm still somewhere in that in that middle of the 50s. But yeah, if you're if you are a bootleg person and you're listening to this and you don't have a big collection or haven't gotten deep and you want to get further, my highest recommendation is to go to Crows Town and sign up and become a part of the.
00:51:10
Speaker
the community there that we built a pretty as big a library i think as exists of counting crows recordings that are publicly available i'm sure there are some there i'm positive there are many that exist that we don't that do not exist out there in the world right now but if if uh if it's out there we i think we found it
00:51:30
Speaker
And I used to love, again, we'll talk about our journeys. I mean, I used to love message boards. I mean, Reddit's good. Facebook, it works. But I loved, you know, the message board at Crowstown. Boot City was a great one. I found so much great stuff there. The Cloud Cuckoland. Yes. That was the official one, right? The official fan club message board.
00:51:56
Speaker
Right. I actually had, I think, the Cloud Cuckoo Land either t-shirt or I did join that official fan club when it first started.
00:52:06
Speaker
I have no idea where my t-shirt is and it bums me out. I love that t-shirt. I will also point out, I will shout out Hummingbird's Nest. I don't know if the person who ever ran that has not been around in a long time, but that's one of the first place I started to find bootlegs and like going on web, you know, they had whole shows and they would post them and I would, it would take me six hours to download one because I'd had very slow internet and MP3s were even at the time to download four megs of an MP3 was difficult.
00:52:33
Speaker
But that's a place where I found so much. And again, that really brought me in. So we'll talk again. We've got so much time and so much to talk about. Yeah. Thank you for the segue because that was actually one of the future episodes, not just one episode, but future topics that I wanted to mention, which is.
00:52:50
Speaker
And that's where I'd like to hear from the community more because even though I was always, I guess I was mostly a lurker on most Cannon Crows fans communities throughout the time. People would not know me, but there is an interesting history. And I've even seen some people try to talk about it on Reddit. Um, as I always went to, what was it? Anna begins.com. And I think people know who that is. And I guess she was some sometimes involved in the community. I'd love to interview her.
00:53:20
Speaker
And I know that the woman who was in charge of that site also got hired by Adam and company to run the official message board. And of course, by the way, there's even, I guess, Adam, if I remember correctly, even made national news for kind of chastising some of the fans on his own message boards. So even that, like, is funny. It's part of the history.
00:53:43
Speaker
And as you said, please go to crows town. I were looking to get a couple of people from there on our on the podcast. And as you said, I know some of the Facebook groups because when I went to the I mentioned you before when I went to the Birmingham, UK tour about I guess it was only about five. But I saw people kind of congregate after the show and they weren't sitting standing near each other during the show, but they obviously knew each other and wanted to talk about stuff. Well, guess what? Those are the obsession.
00:54:13
Speaker
obsessive fans who knew each other from the Facebook group, including a gentleman named Dan, who lives around there, who I'll hopefully get on at some point. Yeah. And this, I guess, goes without mentioning, but I will say that not only are we going to talk about the songs when we review the albums,
00:54:35
Speaker
and we want to compare some of the songs to their alts, of course, like you just hit it across the wire. But we could do a show and this is almost, I got reminded of this when I'm seeing the, they're having like the quote unquote March Madness battle of the songs on Reddit right now.
00:54:50
Speaker
like they have like a little tournament they're doing like, and they're trying to, and of course the earlier stuff is winning, but they do have, including like Ghost in You, they have some of the unreleased or quote unquote B sides in the competition as well. I mean, we could do a whole show on the, I guess I want to say the official songs that were not on an album songs, right? Like the song from Rounders, like Ghost in You,
00:55:18
Speaker
Yeah, so we'll have that. And of course, there's the unreleased songs and even some of those demo tapes that some of those got included, for example, on the August 3 issue, right? Yeah. And of course, I think even Adam talked about this on his own podcast, but you could even do a show on Adam-related songs, songs that he either helped write or he passed it on. Yeah, and I know some of them. I don't know all of them.
00:55:47
Speaker
And then you could talk about any other themes you had. I know some examples we talked about were, of course, some theme pods on certain lyric, you know, focusing on the songs that have the best lyrics or some of the most memorable lines that only Adam could do. And ones that maybe remind you of you or your friends, your relationship with families, some that maybe involve, you know, partying, et cetera.
00:56:12
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, there's so much to unpack. We can talk about his record labels, which he sometimes says he doesn't like talking about. He kind of makes fun of that. He said, oh, they didn't go as well. But I actually think there's a bit of success story in that, even if some of those album record labels aren't around. And as we said last week and on tour, you know, of course, of course. And Tyrannosaurus Records is a to me, it's always going to be a success.
00:56:38
Speaker
Just because my wife's favorite t-shirt is the Tyrannosaurus records. Records. Sure. Yeah. Where it's like it's it's a T-Rex out of a out of a of a vinyl. Right. Yeah. T-Rex with the final DJing. And my wife stole that from me 11 years ago. And that's it's a success if just for that it was a cool t-shirt. Yeah. No, it's still a cool t-shirt. I just don't get to wear it anymore.
00:57:04
Speaker
But yeah, I also think, you know, I actually was, as we were talking, I really think at some point as we get deeper, it'd be fun to go back and listen to some of the shows that we went to and talk about some of those experiences. But with also the benefit of hindsight and audio, right? Do you remember it that way? Because there are certain things you're like, I remember it like this, and you go, it actually didn't sound that way. It's our brains, you know, our memories and these things coming together.
00:57:30
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And as you say, again, that's part of the joy that the journey is in those shows, right? Yeah, and that they might have played songs that you're like, Oh my gosh, I didn't appreciate that. Or I was maybe had a few drinks and didn't. And as I said, for just a random example, that from that 1999 show,
00:57:46
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They played Amy Hit the Atmosphere. And yeah, I was like, oh, again, the album was only out for five days. And I said, oh, I like that song because I did catch my ear in the beginning. And guess what? I think after that tour, they basically have not played that song since. So I was like, geez, if I knew that at the time, I really, really would have paid attention. I would have savored it. Yeah, no, it's hard.
00:58:07
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I mean, I think there's some shows that I think I could look back at and I go, I don't know if that was as moving for like anyone else in the crowd, but just the way my mind was working at the time, maybe where I was standing, just the way the music hit me that night was different than it might have been for anyone else. Everyone else might have gone, that was a good show. And the band might say that was just a normal show. But I was like, no, no, that night was, you know, important for me. So it'd be interesting to go back and find some of those.
00:58:35
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And we'll dive in, but there's so much, again, there's so much to dive into. As you said, I could talk about, someone asked me again, why are you doing Counting Crow's pockets? Well, I could, I got a lot of things to say about Counting Crow. So may as well say them too. Right. I have 30 years of pen up, right. And it's not enough to that I have voiced about it to others, including my friends. I guess, yeah, I have an unlimited,
00:58:55
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Yeah, I used to joke. It's kind of like my angst. No matter how much I get out, I still have a lot inside that could also use another release or whatever. So, no, no, that's great. I think we've, right. I think we did a great introduction and a little preview. And again, if any of those topics, if you think that you either have something to say, or you're a quote unquote expert, or there is even a certain album that you're like, hey, when you review
00:59:25
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desert life please you know can I be one of the people that talks about my favorite songs there sure again send us email at Sullivan Street PC at protonmail.com and also put the email in the episode description any other we've reached almost the hour mark exactly did you have any
00:59:44
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Our current plan is to do August and everything after, which would likely be a two-part episode next. We might save it for the third one, but that's coming up. Anything else to mention at all? I think that's it. All right. Well, thank you so much. Yeah. This is great. I hope this kicks off, as I said, our regular podcast, which we hope to release about every three to four weeks. And until next time. Yeah.
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We will be hanging out at Sullivan Street, waiting for you. Thanks so much. Take the way home. That leads back to until next time. Thank you.