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Episode 80: Is This Seth Rollins's Good News For People Who Love Bad News?
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Come join the hangout as the boys talk Garrett's trip to The Invisible Man Presents: W.O.M.B.A.T. in Tullahoma, TN & GCW's Lights Out in Nashville! They're also talking the G1 Climax, high school plays, heroic car lifting and if the WWE Championship makes you just a little less likable!
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Transcript
Introduction and High School Memories
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to episode 80 of predetermined a pro wrestling hangout I'm your host Garrett calendar and with me as always a man you may recognize as the preacher from 2005 Pittsfield high school production of seven brides for seven brothers Derek Alpin
00:00:19
Speaker
I would be outrageously surprised if somebody recognized me from that play from our small town high school. People were talking about it. Why that one, Garrett? Because that's the only one you and I were part of together. OK, fair enough.
00:00:38
Speaker
I was gonna say, I did Charlotte's Web, I did Honeymoon at Graveside Manor, I did, I don't know, a lot of plays, and you chose to go with that one. However, the irony, I guess, is that that's probably the most well-known of the productions I've been a part of. Well, bless your beautiful hide. Yeah, that's where we chose to go with this episode at the start. We're at the start.
00:01:06
Speaker
I just figured maybe we have some theater aficionados that would love to know that you did have a role in Seven Brides for Seven Brothers. I did. And it was that of a preacher, which as many of you know me, that's a little bit of ironic. It is, but also you were an important part of that because without you, those Seven Brides and Seven Brothers would have never been able to have, uh,
Podcast Music and Shoutouts
00:01:32
Speaker
Sex, it was okay back then. Yeah, absolutely. You are responsible for 14 people fornicating. Yep.
00:01:42
Speaker
Fictionally, of course. Nope, probably in real life too. I don't know. There was some partial nudity backstage at that play. There was a lot of changing of garb, and I happened to be involved in some of that, and it was weird. Did somebody see your underage penis, Derek? Do we need to talk about this? No, I didn't have to do it. I was just there. I got to watch.
00:02:07
Speaker
Remember how last week we opened with all talk about wrestling and this time it's all seven brides for seven brothers? Garrett was like, I didn't like that. I like talking about other things to start the show. Well, I was pretty impressed with last week's and I thought maybe we'll find a way, but it just didn't happen. We're still talking high school plays. I heard positive things about the way the show started last week. People were surprised not only at our ability to talk about wrestling from the start of the show, but for how long before we actually got to our goddamn music.
00:02:38
Speaker
Yeah, that was a while. We made people really wait for that. Does anyone even still listen to the music or is everyone 10 seconds ahead when they get to the music?
00:02:48
Speaker
Do people skip it? They shouldn't because Cowboy Josh Hendrix did a great fucking job on our music and I feel like people who are just coming in didn't even know his name because that was so long ago. You know we are like almost a year and a half into doing this and I'm still a big fan of our music and I hope you guys are too. We never mention Cowboy Josh for making our music and I realize Colt Cabana mentioned super fun yeah yeah rocket ship our buddies over there every single time. Yes.
00:03:18
Speaker
That's our good friend Cory Goodman of the band Super Fun Yeah Yeah Rocket Ship. Big pro wrestling fan. Also a Carly Rae Jepsen fan, so we've got some shit in common. Did you guys have a talk about that recently? No, but I saw that he also did the meet and greet. He did that too? Well, we're Facebook friends.
Carly Rae Jepsen vs. Wrestling Event
00:03:39
Speaker
But you didn't talk to him about it? That seems like something you would bond over. Why would I talk to somebody I haven't talked to in years? Just reach out and been like, you want to talk pop music? Goddamn it, Derek. Hit her! Goddamn! Music!
00:04:24
Speaker
I'm kind of disappointed with how quickly it came this week. The music. Well, you know, you can't they can't all be hot openers. Well, that's on you. You chose to go with my my theater background as opposed to whatever. Hey, I got I got to bring something up really quick. OK,
GCW Wrestling Show Experience
00:04:47
Speaker
is it is it at least a little bit weird that
00:04:52
Speaker
You have more recently gone to a meet and greet for Carly Rae Jepsen than you do pro wrestlers. I have a pro wrestling podcast.
00:05:02
Speaker
What do you want me to do? What do you want me to do? Go talk to more pro wrestlers? Well, that would be preferable. Well, I did this weekend. Like, I think people think it's cute that you're like Carly Rae Jepsen and you go to meet and greets and you go to the show and you're out there being you. But, you know, maybe they want to hear you have a conversation with Joey Ryan. They want to hear about that shit. Well, where am I supposed to go talk to Joey yet? Isn't he coming to you soon? He already came and went.
00:05:32
Speaker
You missed it didn't you? I did miss it.
00:05:38
Speaker
That was good on you to call me out on that though. I was just thinking like he was just like around the corner from your house and he was ready to talk to you for free. I had a thing going on Garrett. I had a thing to do when I was planning on going to see Joey Ryan. So I apologize. But you on the other hand, as you were saying, I guess you did do a meet and greet recently. So busted. I'm wrong.
00:06:06
Speaker
I watch, this was another one of those really long wrestling weekends. You make it sound like that's a bad thing. No, I had a fucking blast. But I definitely, the first one I went to was on Saturday night, the GCW guys were doing a show called The Invisible Man Presents Wombat.
00:06:27
Speaker
And what does that mean? That did stand for something. It was an acronym. Let's try and figure that out without looking it up. That seems like something that you would have made a note of. It doesn't really matter that much, but I will say...
00:06:43
Speaker
No it matters because ladies and gentlemen I have a story to tell you from Saturday. I'm shopping at the shopping mall looking around for some good things to buy for myself and I get a phone call from our beloved co-host here wanting to talk to me
00:07:02
Speaker
the way a young boy or girl would right before their first date, about how nervous and excited they are about a thing that's about to happen, because Garrett's going to this GCW show, and in what town is this show, Garrett? Tola Homa, Tennessee. Yeah.
00:07:19
Speaker
Yeah, your boy here, who likes to talk about all sorts of random tidbits from my life at the top of the show, wanted to vent to me about how nervous and how scared he was to be going to this show because he'd heard some awful things about the kind of people that go to this show. That is, that is true. Leading up to go into the show, I was, I'll be honest, just excited for the weirdness of it. And then as I started telling people that I was going to Tolohoma, I just kept hearing like,
00:07:49
Speaker
Tolohoma, that place is scary. And I'm like, yeah, how so? And they're like, well, a lot of Nazis. What? Yeah, that is scary. Are the Nazis at the show? Oh, yeah. Like, I think at one point somebody used the word white supremacist hub. Well, that's the one that you clung to for the entire phone conversation with me. It was like, were you expecting me to talk you out of going? No, I think I just want. Or did you want me to talk you into going?
00:08:17
Speaker
I don't know what I needed because either way I was going to the show, no matter how sketchy it was going to be, it just made me feel like I was a vice reporter going into a country with war, but it ended up being not that difficult. You were going alone, right? No, I was driving up with Garrett Keith's wife, Kelly, friend of the show, Kelly, who Garrett Keith, wrestler in training, he's been on the show before, I rode up with his wife, who
00:08:47
Speaker
I will tell you this. That should have been a two hour drive. We made it in there, made it there and just, just a smidge over an hour. Nice. It was fucking terrifying. I'm sorry Kelly. Did that make you feel better about your ability to get out of there quickly if you needed to?
00:09:02
Speaker
Derek, since my automobile accident, I have a little PTSD about being in cars.
00:09:19
Speaker
come to terms with how fragile of a situation driving is. Something along those lines. Either way, I'm terrified of cars now. And she was going like 90. And somehow I didn't die. It was great. I never felt like I was going to die at Kelly. You need to know that. I appreciate the ride. It wasn't as scary as I'm making it sound. I'm shaking my head yes, though, right now. It was a little scary.
00:09:43
Speaker
Does the beginning of Mick Foley's entrance music with the car wreck, does that give you feelings? No joke. You know when somebody plugs their phone into their car and sometimes it connects to the car and just plays whatever the first song is they have? Yeah. When we get into her car, she plugs it in and the song that is playing for the first several minutes of our drive is the Brood's
Effie's Performance and Crowd Dynamics
00:10:06
Speaker
entrance music. Really? That's a rad fucking tune. It was pretty good. I was not mad about that.
00:10:13
Speaker
That bass, if you have a good sound system, the bass on that song is pretty fucking intense. Do you think Gangrel feels like he did a good job with the brood? I don't know. I mean, he made a couple stars out of it. A lot of people look back on that time period very fondly, so I mean, I'm sure there's people who come up to Gangrel all the time and thank him for some pretty awesome memories from their childhood.
00:10:41
Speaker
Full disclosure to all of our listeners, we are recording on Monday this week, so we have not seen Raw. For all we know, Gangrel is out there right now just praising the brood and how good of a job he did. I did have time to watch a little bit of the beginning of Raw, and John Cena was there, as was Divan Dudley and Rikishi. So, I'm sure Raw reunion's going well right now. I will catch the highlights after we finish this show.
00:11:10
Speaker
You have to pick up your stories, sir, because you are heading to White Supremacistville, USA, to go watch a GCW show, and you are nervous, you probably got the little gurgly thing going on in your stomach, you don't know what you're walking into. What happens next after you get over your carphobia? Well, we get there an amazing time. We should have gotten there right as bells started. We got there a fucking full hour before.
00:11:38
Speaker
as we pull up, it is the Gypsy Joe Arena. By arena, it is a building. There was maybe, I would say about a hundred people there, probably a little less, if I had to guess. The parking lot though, across the street from it, was basically just all of the Southern Underground Pro fans. Really?
00:12:00
Speaker
So, you know, it did make me feel good. I was there with a crowd of wrestling fans. And also, as we were driving through this town, I immediately was like, everybody who told me about this town oversold this town. Derek, this town looks so much like you and I's hometown. See, I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing. I never really thought of our hometown as
00:12:25
Speaker
that bad. I mean, it's not great for diversity, but... Yeah, no, our hometown diversity wasn't... Diversity was non-existent. I believe diversity was an old wooden ship. Yeah, this town immediately not scared of this town. It was literally just our hometown, Derek. It looked so much like it.
00:12:52
Speaker
Did that make you feel at home? Immediately. Did you find the McDonald's? I think the scary part for anyone was like, this is a small town, who knows what goes on.
00:13:06
Speaker
We're gonna go watch wrestling here, but it sounds like what the issue is is this the promotion there I believe it's SWF a lot of the locals turn out for it, and they are not a Very inclusive people if you remember how we just said there wasn't a lot of diversity in our town Not here either, and it sounds like the locals like to chant not nice things at people and
00:13:30
Speaker
Three letter words and whatnot. Three, six, I don't know. Fair enough. The words can be very in lengths. That's disappointing. We get in and this, I'm glad I didn't go front row on this place. Front row and back row are basically the same, which we've learned a lot from indie shows.
00:13:55
Speaker
you're gonna have the same view regardless of where you're at in most venues like basically if you're paying for front row really what you're paying for is the the joy of sitting it has nothing to do with your proximity to the ring because general admission in a lot of cases is just as close to the second row
00:14:12
Speaker
But we were in some bleachers, so that was nice. They were very wobbly. I was worried that the weight of wrestling fans was going to collapse it under us. It didn't happen. So basically the room, the room was segregated into basically the Nashville side and the local side.
Main Event Disappointment
00:14:30
Speaker
Oh, no. Yeah, segregation. Well, yes, they're used to that. They're probably that's not nice. I should cut that.
00:14:42
Speaker
Good luck remembering, too. But so the locals are sitting on one side. We're on the other. And this was a hot show. Both the crowd was loving it and it was hot as absolute fuck in this building. 90 plus. Oh, it was 90 plus outside. And the air flow in this building was coming from two fans.
00:15:06
Speaker
So it was it was hot. We were supposed to have this whole weekend. I was very excited to see Joey Janela wrestle in Tennessee. He announced before either of the shows that he was injured, not going to wrestle. So going in, I already knew I was not going to see Joey Janela versus superstar Bill Dundee.
00:15:27
Speaker
Does this make you sad? It made me a little sad because, you know, I really I haven't gotten to experience one of those matches live. You know, one of those really uncomfortable, weird, a wrestler. Dude, he's almost 75 years old. So what? I wanted to see Joey Janela fight him. Yeah. Well, you got to see Joey Janela do certain things with certain flags over the weekend. So that's almost as good. Yeah.
00:15:56
Speaker
But the one thing everybody seemed to be very concerned about with this show is how the crowd was going to react to Effie. Yeah. Effie, very flamboyant. And he was part of a tag team called Effie Juice. He was with a man named Juicy Jimmy, who I'm not a good, I'm probably not good at gauging the weight of somebody, but he felt like 400 pounds.
00:16:27
Speaker
He was a large, large man, and God, the crowd you could tell wanted to say something, but it almost felt like maybe they were told in advance, this is a pay-per-view, you're going to be on TV, people are gonna see you say these things, maybe don't- Represent your town better than this. Yeah, there was a real vibe
Effie's Bold Performance
00:16:49
Speaker
of that.
00:16:51
Speaker
And guess what happened? Well, guess what happens when no one heckles him and our entire section is cheering? What happens? They had a pretty good fucking time.
00:17:04
Speaker
I would go so far as to say, Tolohoma, Tennessee loves Effie. And Effie made a point, I believe, I don't remember if he said it to a friend or if he said it on Twitter, but he said he was gonna amp it up for this show. He was gonna amp it up a little bit. He said he thought he would get a lot of street cred if he got stabbed and lived.
00:17:28
Speaker
So, let's see. I mean, he ended up wrestling twice, so the crowd had to deal with him two times. Both times with Juicy Jimmy. And at one point during, I believe, the second match, he reached down the front of his tights and pulled out a butt plug and stuck it in somebody's mouth. Oh no. Oh no. Oh no. Have we ever told the story of Oh No on here?
00:17:56
Speaker
No. I don't know if now's the time, but if you want to. Sometimes there's time for a tangent. A lot of times Derek and I, or even my wife says it now, will go, oh no. Oh no. Our buddy Ronan.
00:18:11
Speaker
His real name's Evan, but in high school we called him Ronan. Don't know how that got started other than it was his Halo character's name. He was walking around somewhere in Dallas. That's where he's from. He's passing a car and he just hears, oh no. It was out in front of his fucking house. That was in front of his house? Yes. Well you tell it then.
00:18:33
Speaker
From what I understand, and I'm trying to be culturally sensitive to the story, there was an Asian man whose car broke down out in front of his house. And he, I guess, put the car jack up under his car and was fixing something underneath the car. Well, the car jack gave out. And it didn't give out and crushed the guy, but the car came down on top of him in such a way that he was not able to get out.
00:18:59
Speaker
And after a while Ronan kind of checked back out the window and he saw this guy and his leg sticking out into the car and he just wasn't going anywhere for an extended period of time. So eventually Ronan
00:19:13
Speaker
Hightails it outside, well I guess not hightails it knowing Ronan. He probably took his time kinda stumbling out there. He probably very casually walked out and maybe had a snack, maybe smoked a cigarette. Right, and I wish there was a way with this podcast I could paint a visual. Ronan is a big sum bitch. Like, I'm saying he's probably what, six, three, six, four, and he's gotta weigh just as much as me, but there's probably a little bit more muscle on him at this point. He's ripped his shit and he's in the army.
00:19:43
Speaker
Yeah. So anyways, he strolls up to this car and just, I wish, I wish I could do a better impersonation of his voice, but it's just kind of like a slurred deep voice where he, he wasn't, is there a problem or do you need help or assistance? And all he hears from underneath this car is, yes, help, help. Oh no. Oh no, I'm stuck. Oh no, help.
00:20:13
Speaker
And Ronin's like, what do you want me to do? Will I have your cards on top of you? He's like, yes. Help. Help me. Pick a card up. And Ronin's like, all right. Well, I'm going to try to pick this card up. But if I pick it up and it's too heavy, I'm going to drop it and it might end up hurting you. And immediately, the guy's like, I don't care. Help.
00:20:31
Speaker
help me you are actually doing a pretty accurate Ronin just so anyone so this guy um his little legs are kicking out from underneath this car he's he's stuck Ronin being a monster of a man he's like Braun Stroman
00:20:51
Speaker
reaches down both of his hands, grabs the bottom of this car and picks it up just enough to where this guy is able to slide out from under the car. And after he slides out from under the car, the guy is very thankful. Apology. Thank you. Thank you so much. Oh no, my gosh.
00:21:09
Speaker
and whatever, Ronan goes back inside. The second part to this story is that I guess for days and days afterwards, just like the scene in Gran Torino, this guy's family keeps bringing him Chinese food day after day as a thank you and as a gift. And he keeps trying to be like, no, that's fine, it's good. And then he ends up taking it and it's delicious.
00:21:37
Speaker
But for years now, that story has been a point of reference for anytime something unfortunate happens, just a little, oh no, oh no, oh no, help, help, help, help. And I don't know why that's so funny to me, but I think it's because in my mind I hear it coming from under a car.
00:22:01
Speaker
Uh, we still say that all the time and I feel like we've probably said it on here before and never thought to, to fill you guys in on what that is. Yeah. You're going to hear it. You, you're, if you haven't heard it already, you're going to hear it again at some point. So point of reference. That's what that's from. And you're probably going to start saying it your damn self. So you're going to, on your own, when something unfortunate happens, you're going to be saying, Oh no.
00:22:26
Speaker
just wait till you're in public and you witness something bad happen and under your breath to yourself say oh no oh no but there's an H there's a little bit of an H at the beginning of it how oh no oh no oh no oh no
00:22:42
Speaker
Now, that was my response to Effie pulling a butt plug out of his pants. I'll be honest, I had forgotten what we were talking about that got to that point. I brought it back. We didn't lose the story. So what happens here after the hood? So after the butt plug stuff, these two end up in the middle of the ring together. Juicy Jimmy and Effie. Juicy Jimmy removes his shirt. Effie basically kind of rubs his face all over Juicy Jimmy's
00:23:12
Speaker
Breasts. I don't know what else to say. It's his chest. He's just a fat man. Yeah. I think he even referred to him as titties at one point during the match though. He referred to him as titties? I think Juicy Jimmy referred to his titties. Oh no. Oh no. But then after that, they just had a good make out. Right in the middle of the ring. Right in the middle of the ring. Did you ever see the movie Bruno?
00:23:40
Speaker
I didn't, but I've been thinking about it a lot lately. Well, at the end of that movie, they go and put on an MMA fight in a small southern town and call it Straight Dave's Man Slammin' Action. And it ends with him basically having sex with another man in the middle of this room while a lot of angry southerners yell. That was not the case in Toulahoma. What happened was, we broke out with a chant of love is love, and the locals looked like they didn't hate it.
00:24:11
Speaker
I want to say I'm pretty sure that GCW brought a little culture to Tolohoma and changed things for the better that night. So WWE is trying and failing to bring culture to Saudi Arabia, but GCW is having success. In Tolohoma.
00:24:33
Speaker
Basically, this entire show is essentially pieces of the GCW roster wrestling these SFW guys. And they're acting the whole time like this wombat is a promotion and that it's been gone for years. And everybody's telling me that the joke of this is that wombat was never anything. And this is the first of it.
Nick Gage's Match Highlights
00:24:54
Speaker
But they keep referring to it being like the first wombat show in 15 years.
00:25:00
Speaker
But it's also- I don't get it. I didn't get it either, Derek. But I will tell you what I did get. I got to see goddamn Nick Gage fight Cabana Man Dan. I'm sure those flip-flops came in handy. Uh-oh. He tried, man. He really gave him those flip-flop chops, and I think what I would refer to Nick Gage did as no-sold him. Would you expect Nick Gage to sell a flip-flop?
00:25:31
Speaker
You never know. I mean, we watched Nick Gage put on Orange Cassidy sunglasses at one point, so really, anything's possible. Overall, it was a fun show. It was a weird show. I'm trying to think of what match could I even say was a good match, because it was just so much insanity.
00:25:56
Speaker
It's just such a weird little venue. I mean, I've posted some pictures or I will post some up on Instagram and stuff so that you can see the inside of this place. But I've never been to a place they did not serve alcohol, Derek, but they did have a smart chili cheese dogs, nachos. I heard somebody say that they had lasagna. Yep. And at one point our section started chanting who's tried the lasagna.
00:26:21
Speaker
I would have tried the lasagna. Would you have eaten lasagna at this place? You really would have. Might as well. If I didn't have anything going on the next day. If I see this is what we should be reviewing. We should be reviewing the delicacies from each venue. Use.
00:26:36
Speaker
You sat beside me at Money in the Bank last year and watched me eat nachos where there was a 1 to 1 ratio for jalapeno to nacho chip. And it was no thing. It was no problem. And your mind was blown. You've got a fucking iron stomach though. You always have.
00:26:57
Speaker
I wouldn't say it's iron. It is a little bit of Russian roulette as to sometimes it turns into a nuclear situation. But the things that you would expect to destroy my stomach don't. Other random things absolutely will. Saw a blindfold match.
00:27:19
Speaker
You're so proud. It was Jimmy Lloyd versus JJ Garrett. And I was not super looking forward to a blindfold match until one spot. Did Jimmy Lloyd put his shoes on? Jimmy Lloyd did have his shoes on.
00:27:32
Speaker
He had him on for both matches. Basically, everybody on this card wrestled twice. The show didn't feel super long, but it was so hot that it was just draining the life out of everybody.
Comedic Blindfold Match
00:27:46
Speaker
But for this match, you know when guys will run the ropes and jump over each other and do rolls and go back and forth for a little bit while running the ropes?
00:27:54
Speaker
Yeah, they did this blindfolded, but they were both so far away from each other that they were both ducking and rolling over nothing for a little while and it was pretty good. Weirdest thing of the night though for me. So superstar Bill Dundee comes out probably 20 minutes before his match and he comes out to basically no applause.
00:28:18
Speaker
It's very silent. He cuts a weird promo, he leaves. We find out that he's gonna wrestle Tony Deppin now instead of Joey Janela. And when this match finally happened, it felt like I was watching Shawn Michaels versus Hogan, where, you remember Shawn Michaels just super selling everything that happened, like it was the most devastating? That was Tony Deppin in this match.
00:28:47
Speaker
Just making Bill Dundee look like God. Bill Dundee took one bump in the entire match and just threw punches the rest of the time. It was rough. You're saying not that great? It was not that great. This was not a great main event. It was awkward. Bill Dundee won a title at the end of this. And basically the entire locker room comes out to clap for him.
Speculating a Hometown GCW Event
00:29:12
Speaker
He just fucking powders.
00:29:17
Speaker
That's kind of sad, actually. It just felt like he didn't give a shit. Like they tried to make it seem important. And even he felt like, no, I know that he just let me win. He's like, I wasn't pretend punching him that hard. The question that I have for you as we
00:29:39
Speaker
as we wind down talking about this show that you went to. Does this give you hope that our hometown could one day host a GCW event? Like, is that something that could happen? Do we have any local wrestling in our area? There has to be somewhere they can bring it in. I swear.
00:29:56
Speaker
I one time saw a poster for some indie wrestling at our local grocery store in Pittsfield, but I can't remember how many years ago that's been. We do have a wrestler by the name of Jake Durden, who is from our hometown. Dirty Durden. I wonder, I guess, yeah, there absolutely has been, because Jake Durden won a title in the Pittsfield High School gym gymnasium.
00:30:25
Speaker
Well then yes, GCW coming to Pittsfield, Illinois soon. I was going to ask, is there a way that we can set this in motion? Is there a way we can push this into happening? I mean, I'm sure there is. I bet it involves money. You and I could MC a pro wrestling event in our hometown. Why not? I think we should be on commentary. We just got to get the GCW guys to come in and beat up some locals.
00:30:53
Speaker
Would you be thrilled to see Nick Gage wrestle inside of our old high school gym? Yes, I would let him sleep in my childhood bedroom. Oh my god. Dad, you gotta make some coffee for Nick Gage when he wakes up. You think Nick Gage would put... Here's what you do. You tell Nick Gage, my dad loves it when people put their fingers in his belly button.
00:31:16
Speaker
I would love to see what my dad's reaction would be to Nick Gage sticking that finger in there. One, I don't think Nick would do it. Two, fuck, I don't know what would happen between those two. He's a pro wrestler, you pay him enough, he'll do it. It's all about money. Just pay him like 300 bucks and be like, walk up to my dad when he shirtless and put your finger in his belly button and see if he flips you down to the ground and asks if he'll do it again.
00:31:44
Speaker
I did think of something, there was a hardcore title ladder match at this. And I realize I do need to mention this because it was a ladder match like I'd never seen.
00:31:54
Speaker
They broke all of the ladders that, you know, stand like a triangle. And the only ladder they had left was just a straight ladder. Well, that's not how that's supposed to work.
Chaotic Ladder Match
00:32:05
Speaker
I'll tell you, it definitely adds a level of excitement where you're like, I'm going to watch a person die in this. This is a match, my friend, that started with a guy pulling a knife out and slicing the other guy's head open. Immediately. So there's just blood from the top.
00:32:22
Speaker
You heard it here first, people. Garrett Callender's going to the places Dave Meltzer won't. Yeah, I didn't see Uncle Dave around there anywhere. Though I will. You're telling me Dave Meltzer didn't book a flight to go see superstar build on D wrestle and throw the best punches in the history of the biz. What a pussy in my right. Yeah, what a bitch. Where were you, Dave? We were here. And Meltzer!
00:32:48
Speaker
Boo! Thanks, Matt.
00:32:54
Speaker
Oh, shit. But yeah, it was a good time. I did enjoy the show and I will 100% return to that venue. I don't- That's night one. This is just night one. It's hard. You know, I had just gotten off work. I came to this show or- No, I didn't get off work. I'm making that up. What did I do? It's probably high. It was on a Saturday, dude. Yeah, that was a Saturday. No, I was just binge watching Veronica Mars, then went to this thing. What you just found out is that Garrett doesn't actually go to any of these things. He just makes it up.
00:33:22
Speaker
Yeah, I just read what I hear on Twitter. No, it was honest to God. It was a really fun show.
Southern Underground Pro Show
00:33:29
Speaker
It was it's a very, very unique show and you are getting an experience that you are not going to get anywhere else. Just seeing these southern guys that I had never seen anywhere and then mixed in with like Nick Gage, the stunt brothers, Mance Warner, Jimmy Lloyd, Effie.
00:33:46
Speaker
It was a weird as shit show, and I like that. We discussed that last week. I want a weird show at this point. That's what you're doing this for. You want the weird shit. That's why you drove to a dangerous town. Or not so dangerous. I think you're going to be all right. Not so dangerous.
00:34:07
Speaker
So tell me about night two, or I guess day two. Yeah, day two. GCW lights out at basement east. It was sold out. That's the venue that they normally run Southern Underground Pro out of. So if you'd never tuned into sub, this is basically where we're seeing it every time. And seeing that place packed as hell was awesome.
00:34:27
Speaker
So good. I get more excited than you even usually are. I was really pumped for this show anyway. The card was just so good. It's GCW's first time in Nashville. I'm going with Leah and her friend Katie, who had never been to a wrestling show. This was her first ever. And you love doing that, don't you? I love being somebody's first wrestling show taker guy.
00:34:56
Speaker
I guess I could have worded that. I love taking
Front Row Thrills at GCW Nashville
00:34:59
Speaker
somebody. Did you say taker? Is there a way you can edit in taker's gong after you say that? And then we just wait for seven minutes and then I start talking again. Yeah. So you took somebody who hadn't been to a show before.
00:35:13
Speaker
I did and it was this show was awesome. We walk in though and I got front row to this and I didn't know how chairs were going to work at GCW basement East just because it's such a small room. That being said, there was one row of chairs.
00:35:30
Speaker
And you got it. Oh, knees touching the ring, baby. It was dangerous. And where Leah and I were sitting was I was like, at this point, I didn't know there weren't going to be glass tubes. I thought this was going to be a light show because, you know, it's called Lights Out. I'm wondering if maybe Bassman East was like, don't smash glass all around our bar because that's illegal.
00:35:53
Speaker
but the back of the Foreman Mills doesn't give a shit. Break as much glass as you want. Yeah, and you didn't serve booze in there. Maybe you can only smash glass where there aren't food and drinks being served. Aren't those the rules for a strip club? You can only show things when you don't serve booze. You can only smash glass in a strip club when there's no alcohol involved. This is a PSA. Just the more you know.
00:36:22
Speaker
But this show, it opened, what was crazy about this show was getting to see flippy guys have to deal with a low ceiling and still being able to do it. The opening match was up. Oh, it was a little scarier. This opening match between Blake Christian and KTB. KTB took Blake Christian and threw him straight at an air duct, like straight into the ceiling, like and hit his head on it.
00:36:49
Speaker
I've never seen that before, that was great. Don't know if Bassman East loved it, but that's a spot I'd love to see a second time. That match, Hot Opener, then we go into a three-way tag team match, the Rejects versus the Carnies versus Violences Forever.
Blood and Weapons in Tag Team Match
00:37:09
Speaker
Here comes the blood, Derek. It only took them two matches to get to the blood. Live from the front row. Live? Oh, yeah. It was not long into it before one of the rejects had a screwdriver and was drilling that into somebody's forehead, staples in the forehead. Everyone was gushing blood in this one. Were you even watching the match or were your eyes fixated on the first timer?
00:37:31
Speaker
She wasn't sitting with us. We found out she later that she was coming to town So she actually had a general admission ticket and was over with Kelly at the bar Okay, but I will tell you this just spoiler alert. She fucking loved it. She had she said one of the best times ever at this thing That's goddamn right and guess who's responsible for that Derek you know Effie and Orange Cassidy don't I don't deserve that much credit it is
00:38:00
Speaker
Maybe one of my favorite matches I've ever seen live now on paper how much fun it was Yeah on paper. It just seemed like that was gonna work. This was their first time meeting up and holy fuck This was such a good comedy match. I Saw some of the clips from the match but go into more detail one of the single greatest spots I've ever seen you know like Orange Cassidy does the spot where he gets his orange juice and he drinks it
00:38:29
Speaker
Well, he gets the orange juice in his mouth, turns around, Effie grabs him by the face and just plants a huge kiss on his face. And then Orange Cassidy turns around and looks shocked and has his mouth open, and you realize the juice is no longer in his mouth. His mouth is empty.
Comedy Match with Effie and Orange Cassidy
00:38:48
Speaker
And when he turns around, all of the juice that was once in his mouth is now in Effie's mouth and goes straight into Orange Cassidy's eyes. And all over Leah.
00:39:00
Speaker
Was she into that? I think if it had been anyone else besides those two, maybe. She fucking loved both of these guys so much. She'd already knew she loved Orange Cassidy. She had never seen Effie before. And I think she has two new favorite pro wrestlers. I'm pretty sure Orange Cassidy beats out Dalton Castle for her now.
00:39:24
Speaker
It's fantastic that for all the years you guys have been together that at this stage of the game she can still have new favorites when it comes to your crazy fucking hobby of pro wrestling.
00:39:34
Speaker
Well, and she says if any match she's seen live, that was her favorite. Keep in mind some of the shit she's seen live. You've taken her to PWG a bunch of times. She got to see Zack Sabre Jr. beat Roderick Strong for the title. She got to see fucking Chris Jericho fight Kenny Omega in the Tokyo Dome.
00:39:54
Speaker
She got to see Triple H beat Sting. She got to see Triple H beat Sting, which she loved dearly. But somehow, Effie versus Orange Cassidy still top for her. And at the end of this match, Orange Cassidy and Effie, they shook hands, realized they should be friends, and went out to go get a cup of coffee together and left holding hands while the whole crowd chanted love is love. Nice.
00:40:21
Speaker
Though we were talking to Orange Cassidy after the show and may have said, I may have been too high for your match. And Orange Cassidy's response was, you can never be too high for an Orange Cassidy match.
Garrett's Height and Wrestling Aspirations
00:40:36
Speaker
Go ahead and put that on Twitter if you want. Did you? Oh yeah, that's up on Twitter. And this surprised the shit out of me. I am taller than Orange Cassidy.
00:40:49
Speaker
Doesn't that make you feel like a badass? He was the same size as Leah. It just made me feel more like I could have married Orange Cassidy. Does it make you feel like you could have done things in this business? Um... It's good to know that there's a couple people I'm taller than out there, but I'm gonna go ahead and say I've my- I'm past my prime, Derek. I'm past.
00:41:10
Speaker
There's still time, man. We can get you on a training regimen. I mean, I know that DDP Yoga didn't go the way you expected it to, but... Oh, we dropped talking about that hard. We just never brought it up again, and I really appreciated that. There's some listeners that are like, that never came up again, and he just got out of it. Yep, that's exactly what happened. Well, sometimes you gotta drop a bit when it's not working.
00:41:34
Speaker
Continue telling stories. Tony Deppin versus Rich Swan. Fun as hell. Definitely a spot I've never seen. Tony Deppin leaves the venue.
Unique Entrances and Statements
00:41:44
Speaker
I don't know if you have these around Chicago, Derek. Do you have those bird scooters? The ones that you scan and you can just ride a scooter around town? Yeah, those came to town about a month ago. Oh, you guys just got them.
00:41:57
Speaker
Yes. So they've been a problem here in Nashville for a while. They cover the streets. Everyone hates them. But Tony Deppin leaves and rides back into the venue on one of these scooters that litter our town. He does a full lap around the ring on this scooter and punches Rich Swan on the face.
00:42:21
Speaker
Scooter spot, never seen that before. Tony Deppin's just the fucking best right now. I love that guy, he's such a good wrestler. Yeah. Tell me about Joey Janela, because that's what I'm here for. Okay, you're here for Janela. So Janela wasn't wrestling, he was on commentary on both of these shows. He was still here, he still had to do a seminar in Tolohoma before that show, so he's still coming to town. Do you know who Tracy Smothers is?
00:42:48
Speaker
Yes. Tracy Smothers was there and Nate, he was fighting Nate Webb. We were having a great time singing Teenage Dirt Bag like we like to do when Nate Webb comes out and Tracy Smothers interrupts it to do his whole bit about incest and the South and just saying things that just, you know, kind of make you uncomfortable. He really tried to get the whole crowd to chant. He's like, call my wife or he said, don't call my daughter a slut, slut, slut. And we're just like, OK, we won't.
00:43:17
Speaker
I'm not. I don't know this lady. I don't call anyone that. That's uh... I'm not gonna do that to your daughter. I'm sorry. And eventually Joey Janela is on the stage and strips down to his underpants like Ric Flair.
00:43:33
Speaker
Gets in the ring falls down and gets up and does the Ric Flair strut in his boxer briefs before He grabs the Confederate flag out of Tracy Smothers hands wipes his ass with it and then just says fuck the Confederate flag Then Tracy's up it did people were going nuts and then Tracy Smothers Kissed his daughter on the mouth and said incest is best. I
00:44:03
Speaker
Derek, I think I figured out the weirdness of GCW and why I like it. GCW is the wrestling equivalent of the movie Crank 2. It's unpredictable and I fucking love it. You never know what's coming next.
00:44:19
Speaker
You did say that you think GCW is your new favorite promotion. This is the most fun indie show I've been to in a while. I'm trying to think of the most fun I've had in an indie show since or before this. GCW is just so much fun. You and I front row in Chicago, we're going to have a fucking blast.
00:44:38
Speaker
Oh gosh. I can't wait until some more matches get announced for that. I know. I'm pumped. I think it's going to be more like this show where you're going to get some blood and guts, but you're also going to get the comedy matches. You're going to get a little bit of everything.
00:44:51
Speaker
This show, though, I was not expecting this to be the moment of the night. So Southern Underground Pro Wrestlers started getting booked in GCW, but one that was not getting booked was Brett Ison, the sub champ. And a lot of fans on Twitter were really pushing to get Brett added into this show. It just kind of seemed like nothing was happening with that. So Mance Warner and Matthew Justice are having a match.
00:45:16
Speaker
and then they're getting ready to start and music hits. I have never heard a pop like this at an indie wrestling show. This felt the same as when Zack Sabre Jr. won the PWG title. When Bret Eisen walked out, that crowd, like no joke, talking about it right now, I have goosebumps.
Brett Ison's Memorable Debut
00:45:42
Speaker
I've never been like, I'll be completely honest. I've never been the biggest Brett Eisen fan. Like I like Brett, but he's never like my guy. It's up. I never like chose him as like, this is my dude. I could not. That guy has to be so fucking happy today. I was so happy for him and the pop that that crowd got him and the whole match. The crowd was chanting. That's our guy. He had a really good match against a couple GCW guys.
00:46:08
Speaker
Fuck, I'm so happy for bread icing today. He didn't win, but it doesn't matter. I mean, that is the kind of pop that he did win. He is certainly never going to forget that pop that he received in that building. That's what's important in that situation is that he was the hometown hero and he got the reaction he deserved when he came out. He absolutely did. And getting to make that kind of a debut on a really good show on pay-per-view for GCW,
00:46:35
Speaker
That has to be great for him. And honestly, that night, he might've become my guy. Like, seeing him get that- You're a Brett Isenguy now? Oh, by the end of that match, I was like, fuck it, yeah, Brett, let's do it. Like, I love Mansur. But I was so happy for Brett. Like, even after the show, I had to walk over and just be like, dude,
00:46:56
Speaker
I had goosebumps, that was awesome. And just being at an indie show and getting to have that kind of a reaction, that's a really fucking special moment to me. That's awesome. Yeah, that is the one thing I would have not guessed to walk out with. As the show is progressing, more and more of the front row chairs have been taken and used for weapons and broken.
00:47:20
Speaker
Towards the end of this, no joke, our side of the ring only had three chairs left, and we had two of them.
00:47:29
Speaker
And then Alex Zane, who the first time I had seen him was on GCW's backyard show. He had a match with Tony Deppin. Alex Zane is fucking awesome. This dude, you gotta watch out for this guy. I think he's got good things coming. But he goes over and says, give me your chair. And Leah just goes, god damn it. And hands him the chair.
00:47:51
Speaker
like she was not happy but she did it she was so like at one point during the show no joke she went to the bathroom and folded her chair up and took it with her because she's like i paid for this fucking chair and i'm sitting down i like the i like that your wife is still like she's inconvenienced by a part of the show and as when she says god damn it alex zane goes i'll bring it back
00:48:16
Speaker
and then he takes it into the ring does a spot where his face gets smashed onto it and as the chairs fold it up and he's laying on the ground you see him shove it out of the ring and just heard him say pass it back and there was still a lot of chaos going because it was a multi-man match it was cool seeing alley cat and gcw uh what was it shane mercer aj gray
00:48:39
Speaker
Alex Zane, Ali Cat, JJ Garrett, who was in the blindfold match the night before, Logan Stunt and Steve Manders. They just called it a fuckfest, I believe was the name of this match. It was a lot of fun. And at the end of the match, after the whole thing was over, Alex Zane walks back over to Leah and unfolds the chair and presents it to her like, as promised. So Alex Zane, good dude in my book.
00:49:05
Speaker
He had to do a thing. Hey, you took a pretty good picture of Alley Cat, too, by the way. Yeah, she put on Manders' cowboy hat and she was right in front of us. So I held the phone up in the air and she posed for a portrait mode. Because if you're going to be sitting front row at a show, why not utilize the portrait mode on your phone? For sure. Oh, 100% did that. It was a great. Hey, we got a lot of retweets and likes on that. So thanks. You did good work on the social media this weekend, buddy. Hey, I hate doing social media. I don't know if you've ever noticed that about me.
00:49:34
Speaker
Like, I can tell. I wish there was a way that all of us, uh, everybody listening could just come to my house and hang out. I'm so bad at it. Post some more barbecues and shit where you watch pro wrestling pay-per-views. Yeah, look, like, I'm back to a point where I have 200 missed texts on my phone. I was doing good for a while. I'm back to being a shit person. I'm sorry, Derek.
00:49:57
Speaker
Well, apologize to the people whose texts you haven't replied to. How? Through text? It's been too long. It's too awkward at this point. Through the podcast, right now, for everyone listening. Can I- Okay. Last match and we'll move on.
Nick Gage vs. Marco Stunt
00:50:10
Speaker
Nick Gage, Marco Stunt. Nick Gage ends up defeating Marco Stunt. This was not a bloody match. This was just a kind of a regular match. Still terrifying to watch Nick Gage throw out poor Marco, though.
00:50:24
Speaker
Well, so it was just basically a regular wrestling match. It was a pretty regular wrestling match. Yeah, it was a good match. Don't get me wrong. It's just what I have liked to have seen Marco get pizza cuttered a little bit. Just a little. I mean, we were in the front row. I had a perfect spot for Nick Gage to present his head to me and just show me was ready in portrait mode. Oh, I was going to portrait. I was going to have the most beautiful portrait. Nick Gage may have even made it as cover photo on Facebook after that.
00:50:52
Speaker
Who ended up winning? Nick Gage. He's the GCW heavyweight champion. That guy's had that belt. I mean, he hasn't lost it since we saw him. He was the champ when we were there.
00:51:03
Speaker
Is he gonna carry that belt with him to the great beyond? Who's gonna be the person to come to GCW and take that away from Nick Gage? Because at this point, it's gotta really make sense. You can't just- David Arquette. Oh, can we just get that fucking rematch already? The people want it.
00:51:23
Speaker
I wish there was an indie Money in the Bank, don't you, that spanned across all of the promotions and a guy could just randomly show up at a promotion one night with it and cash in. See, this year, Money in the Bank, Randy Orton's gonna win it. He's gonna show up to a GCW show and cash in on Nick Gage. That's a great transition because did you see the conversation on Twitter this morning?
00:51:51
Speaker
I'm thinking I didn't. Is it between Nick Gage and Randy Orton? Was it a perfect transition? It was between Randy Orton and Will Ospreay. And Randy Orton was saying he was, I don't know if it was a joke or not, I'm sure it was, but he was having an exchange with Will Ospreay for a while in the wee hours of this morning, saying he was going to see if he could talk to WWE officials so that they could do a one-off match together. What?
00:52:23
Speaker
I'm being dead serious. Yeah. Randy Orton wants to wrestle Will Ospreay. I kind of want him to as well because they both have a diamond cutter. Yeah. Just all the cutters. There's going to be so many cutters. All the cutters. Where could that even happen? Where do we have to meet? Do we have to meet on like a cruise ship and international waters for that to be legal?
00:52:46
Speaker
I don't know, man. You'll have to go on your own fucking time since you've been avoiding social media, and you'll have to go check out the exchange.
Randy Orton's Crossover Interest
00:52:55
Speaker
And, in fact, I'm not just bullshitting you. Jericho, sail your boat to the middle of the sea and give us Osprey versus Orton. Well, he is doing a sequel to that cruise here in a few months, so... When are you and I going on a cruise? Never.
00:53:12
Speaker
Wait, what? I think you and I should go on the Jericho Cruise at some point. Like, maybe for the 10 year anniversary? I would love to. I would 100% love to go on the Jericho Cruise. I bet there's a lot of opportunities for me to drink Mai Tais and Pina Coladas. We've got more important shows coming up than the Jericho Cruise though. I'll do respect. Actually, I ended up getting tickets to an indie show I wasn't expecting to go to.
00:53:39
Speaker
Uh, not this coming weekend, but the following, I will be at bar wrestling in Los Angeles. Yeah, I saw you're going out to Los Angeles. What the fuck? Well, you know, sometimes you gotta go out to Los Angeles to go watch Hobbs and Shaw with your friends. You're going to Los Angeles.
00:54:02
Speaker
to go see Hobbs and Shaw in theaters with your LA friends. But you're not going out there for Bola. I am not doing, they, I'm kind of bummed with the Bola lineup. They haven't been announcing a lot of names that have gotten me excited enough to want to make that trip. So at this point for me, that trip is a hundred percent out. But Hobbs and Shaw is in.
00:54:24
Speaker
Well I'm going to bar wrestling while I'm out there and I get to see another dream match I didn't know I had. Brian Cage, teaming with Scott Steiner, taking on Joey Ryan and Orange Cassidy. Oh my god. Scott Steiner, is he gonna tolerate Orange Cassidy shit? Is he gonna tolerate Joey Ryan shit? I'm assuming that Joey and Steiner have already wrestled.
00:54:47
Speaker
You would think. That has to have already happened. But I have to say this probably will be the first time he's locked up with Orange Cassidy or not locked up with Orange Cassidy for that matter. That's typically how that works. His hands will be in his pockets. How do you put that guy in the Steiner recliner? That's a great question.
00:55:13
Speaker
Can he put him in the Steiner recliner and then while his arms are, is there a way he can get those around and tuck them into his pockets? That'd be a great spot. Well, we'll find out in a couple of weeks. Can we talk G1 stuff? Dude. Yes. Yes. We have not been talking enough about the G1. We went to these shows, but you know, maybe next week we'll, uh, we'll actually give you a full segment on G1.
00:55:40
Speaker
I watched Will Ospreay wrestle a couple of matches. I watched John Moxley wrestle Ishi. I just felt like here's the thing.
Will Ospreay and Okada's Thrilling Match
00:55:51
Speaker
I watched three matches from the G1 for this show. And I mean, what can I say about all of them except they were all fucking great and for different reasons.
00:56:02
Speaker
Like every match was a little bit different, but like, I guess I feel like I'd just be sputtering out like, Oh, you gotta check this shit out. Fucking. I think the best wrestling match of the three that I watched, I watched, um, Ocada versus Osprey.
00:56:20
Speaker
Fucking fantastic wrestling match. I watched that right before we recorded, actually. And I think I text you while I was watching it, this match is working me so hard right now. I am screaming at my laptop. Osprey's kicks to the back of the head sound so loud. That hook kick that he does? Yes. God, I love that.
00:56:46
Speaker
I will tell you the one part I did, I wouldn't say I screamed, but I made a noise at when Okada pulled him off the top rope and it looked like he was gonna give him a tombstone out on the floor. Oh God. Yeah. And then he got out of it and then did like a spring kick off the railing. I can say for certain, this is the most I had ever wanted to watch anyone win a match.
00:57:17
Speaker
Oh, for Osprey? Something clicked partway through that because, you know, Osprey is working hurt right now, or at least that's what they're saying. And I like that in a tournament like this, you can have the story going of a guy's injured. And the way this match started, it started out like an Okada match. It started out pretty slow and it kind of was working like, OK, maybe he is really hurt and they're going to take this one easy.
00:57:42
Speaker
They took it easy for a little bit. But then they beat the shit out of each other. And I was so convinced at the beginning, there's no way Ospreay's gonna win this. If he's wrestling injured, he's gonna lose Nokada. God damn it, if partway through that, I didn't think maybe he stood a chance.
00:58:01
Speaker
Are you disappointed he didn't win? It was such a good match. It's hard to be mad. But I was really, really rooting for that guy. This would have been the coolest win. And I just love seeing the junior heavyweight champion and the heavyweight champion face off like this. And he's never beaten Okada. Still hasn't.
00:58:19
Speaker
It's a fantastic fucking match. If you haven't, go check it out. Did you happen to catch Kota Ibushi versus Osprey? There is a point in that match when Osprey just runs from one side of the ring and just basically karate chops his head off. Yes! That was my favorite spot in the whole match. I thought he killed him. I was like, well, he won. I kind of wish that was the finish.
00:58:47
Speaker
That should have been. If that, if it just ended with him karate chopping his head off, that is a finish. That is a finisher. His head is gone. That was a fucking awesome spot. I don't know. I mean them working the like a Bush's ankle, the whole match, they can't like, it felt like it started off as the knee and then ultimately it became the ankle. But, uh,
00:59:10
Speaker
Well, because didn't a bushy tweak his ankle like on maybe night one or something? So they've been playing up the ankle on that. I'm kind of surprised at where the records are right now. I mean, obviously this could have changed by Thursday, because we're recording this on Monday. Right now, Okada remains undefeated. And also Kento remains undefeated. But I believe Moxley is undefeated, too. And Moxley. Those are the three undefeated people right now. But I think Moxley is the only one that's undefeated in the B block.
00:59:40
Speaker
Yes, correct. And his fucking match with Ishii was so much fucking fun. Between
Jon Moxley vs. Ishii
00:59:50
Speaker
them fighting out into the crowd and Moxley smashing his face off that sign, and then them getting back in the ring, the headbutt fest that ended with fucking Ishii doing like this ultimate Mortal Kombat headbutt that fucking knocked Moxley into the fucking corner.
01:00:08
Speaker
I think we finally got the new Japan Moxley match I'd been hoping for. Do you think so? I mean, we got a 20-minute match out of him. Before that, everything was under 10 minutes. We got a good- I'm still amazed. Ishi's body proportions are so weird to me. He is truly a fire hydrant of a human being. His arms even aren't even that beefy. I was watching this match. He just kind of has normal-sized arm, but he's got a lot of bulk right in the middle.
01:00:39
Speaker
They wanted to have like a hard-hitting match. They had one. This was a match that this is a matchup that had me excited and I'm it's pretty cool that they had it this early I don't know though who at this point. I mean obviously we're gonna be excited for Naito Moxley But what I you know what who was I think Jeff said the match he was most excited for was Moxley versus Toro Yano
01:01:03
Speaker
What if that's Yano's next win? Actually, Yano has two out of his three matches. He's won. Who do you think's winning this thing, Garrett? I have no fucking idea at this point. I mean, you know what? At this point, this is what I want. I want Okada to sweep it and then say that he wants Osprey. Osprey at a...
01:01:26
Speaker
Why can't I think of the Tokyo Dome? Yeah. Yeah. I don't know the spray to finally win there. I don't know. They are like they seem to be pushing Kenta pretty hard. Who's going to be the first guy to beat him? It could be Okada. I think that's the next match. Moxley could win. I don't see Moxley headlining the Tokyo Dome. Why not?
01:01:47
Speaker
Did Jericho kick that door open? And he made a point specifically when he left WWE to say he wanted to work the G1. How do you know that wasn't part of the deal that they offered back to him? That just seems like such a hard deal to give him up front not knowing how that run would go. It's going pretty well so far. It is going well. Man. It would get international eyes on their product, wouldn't it? 100% it would.
01:02:18
Speaker
I mean, maybe they can get Moxley to the finals of the G1, but then at that point, who beats him? I don't know. I would like to see, I would like to see Okada versus Moxley. Is he at the Tokyo Dome or just as the finals for the G1? At the Tokyo Dome.
01:02:41
Speaker
You would actually, man, I don't know. I have such a hard time picturing like an Okada style match with Moxley as the main event.
01:02:51
Speaker
That's why you do it. I mean, fair enough. I can't argue with you on this. There's no wrong answer to this. I don't think I'm ready for Kenta to be skyrocketed like that. Fuck. I don't know. Honestly, looking at this, I don't know what the main event of and that's awesome. I like that this is still a surprise for us. Yes. But there's no like clear cut person right now that is you're like, oh, he's definitely going to win this.
01:03:21
Speaker
Do you have something else to bring? Because there's something I do want to close the show on this with, like this week. I didn't bring up last week that I saw Stuber and that it was pretty good.
01:03:32
Speaker
was Dave on point. Dave is still crushing it. Go out there, support big Dave. What do you want to end the show on? I wanted to ask you, you wanted, we should have talked about this more last week, but we didn't. And I wanted to ask, cause I saw some comments today from Seth Rollins where he was commenting on Moxley and AEW and saying like, basically he's not in a bad way, but he's like dead to him now because he's competition. And
01:04:03
Speaker
they're trying to take dinner off of his table like anyways there's just another comment I think a lot of people are getting rubbed the wrong way by Seth Rollins over and over and over again and I wanted to ask you what is it about the WWE title either one of them that when a guy wins it suddenly they in WWE they become a little more unlikable
Discussions on WWE Champions
01:04:27
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And we touched on it a little bit last week, but I kind of wanted to, if we had a few minutes to dive into that, I just wanted to get your thoughts on that because you kind of brought that up and I wanted to follow up. Like what's going on there? I don't know. I do. Maybe. Is that on us? Is that on us? Or do we just not feel like.
01:04:50
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He had a good enough story that him holding the title is enough for me to tune in. I don't know if the same thing happened to Kenny when he won it. He was immediately a little less interesting when he had the IWGP title.
01:05:08
Speaker
I know you hear, you hear this a lot, but like for a lot of guys, especially like the baby face types, the chase is more exciting and more important than the actual winning. Like when they finally win the title, it's a big moment. But then right after that, you don't necessarily want to see those guys have lengthy reigns. I'm not saying Rollins did.
01:05:28
Speaker
Is was it the was it really him being champion that made him unlikable? Or was it just straight up some of the information you learned along the way over the last few months? You mean just him being on Twitter and being like, like, are you saying did the Osprey stuff just completely turned me on Rollins? Yeah.
01:05:49
Speaker
Made him. I mean, he was kind of a dick on the Internet. He apologized. It did. It did. But it's the same thing. Like, I think when you know a product isn't great and that person has to talk like it's the best thing in the world because it's their job to do so, you immediately trust them a little bit less. Because now you just feel like they're touting the company line. Yeah.
01:06:16
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That's not to say I don't like Rollins and that he's not a great worker. I'm not super into him being the champ right now, but I think a big part of that too is the storyline they're telling with his girlfriend. I mean, we talked about that last time. You think that it made each of them a little bit more unlikable. Yeah. But you and I went back and forth and we listed some people who won the championship that that didn't happen with. And you came up with AJ Styles and Kevin Owens.
01:06:41
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that them winning the title actually did elevate them to the WWE status and people thought finally. Like they felt like that their indie guys that were non-WWE guys were the most interesting WWE guys when they won the title. Is that fair? I think so, but I mean, his Rollins just not been an indie guy for so long or he was in WWE a lot longer while the other guys were doing Ring of Honor and all that.
01:07:11
Speaker
I don't know. I don't have the answer. I would love to hear from some of our listeners about what they think. Is that on us? Because everyone knows about the issues with Reigns. Everyone knows now, I guess, the situation with Rollins where a lot of people are kind of annoyed with him. Obviously, you know about Brock and why he's unpopular, but I guess Kofi's not suffering from that. I don't know. I actually very much enjoy the new day having all the belts.
01:07:38
Speaker
Is it on the fan or is there something to the idea that when they pick somebody and put the title on them, that it's like they're getting a corporate endorsement that we don't necessarily like them getting? I don't know. Does he hear some other people's thoughts? In high school, our friends were huge Modest Mouse fans and then Modest Mouse released the song Float On and they all gave up on Modest Mouse. Is this Seth Rollins Float On?
01:08:07
Speaker
Yes. And we'll all float on okay. And you just found a title for the episode. Good for you. What's the title? Seth Rollins' Modest Mouse Moment. We have gone this whole episode without plugging our social media, without telling them how they can be kind to us on iTunes. Garrett, hit that shit.
01:08:33
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Hey, thank you so much for listening. This is episode 80. You've been with us a long time. We love you to death every week. We hang out with you. If you want to hang out with us further and talk to me on a place that I've openly admitted that I'm not good at, social media, give us a follow, at Wrestle Hangout on Twitter and Facebook, at Predetermined Podcast on Instagram. If you want to shoot us an email for any reason, predeterminedpodcastatgmail.com.
01:08:59
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and do us a favor, hop on iTunes, give us five stars, leave us a review. You leave us a review, you can suggest something for us to check out as long as it's even slightly related to pro wrestling and we will talk about that thing on the show. The show. I don't know if you noticed, we did have another review. I didn't. We have a new review. I think Billy and Luke went out there and found another phone and gave us another review because they want to see you get a fucking haircut.
01:09:27
Speaker
Well, it's too late. The 15th came and went. Oh, God damn it. Is that it? Well, we're up to 73. I'm trying to pull the review up now, but it's not loading on my phone. But Billy did say that he would like us to do he nominates. Fuck, what match did he say? Because it's not loading right now. He wanted us to do the ECW one night stand 2006.
01:09:50
Speaker
the whole show hey this could just be for billy i like billy how much do you like billy you want to sit down and give him a whole audio track of us does anybody else want that i honest to god i would do this for billy why the fuck not the whole show the whole show i'm just gonna send him a file that's like three and a half hours long and heaven forbid something goes wrong halfway through
01:10:18
Speaker
Hey, also, your buddy John's looking buff as shit. Yeah, he's shredded.
01:10:26
Speaker
Yeah, I know he's a, he's a listener of the show. I don't know, John, we've never met. We've only spoken through social media a couple of times, but he posted a video of him lifting something very heavy and throwing it over a bar, like a high thing. Can you do that? I would like to think I could, but he probably does it better than me. JD's a big fan of the show. He supports it. He shares our social media posts. Appreciate the love from JD every week. Thank you, sir.
01:10:53
Speaker
Also, I did, right before we started recording, I saw that Lowell sent us a message and he did say that it was very distracting watching the GCW show over the weekend because Leah and I were so prominently featured in the front row. Like, so his eyes were always drawn to you guys? It's like Conan said, the eye goes to Goldblum, but this time it was me.
01:11:15
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He did ask if Leah ever came back because she did disappear. She went to go hang out with her friend by the bar. She came back and forth once in a while. So you may have caught her leaving. She never left out of fear though, even though I warned her. It's okay to do it anytime.
01:11:30
Speaker
It's not okay. You tried to make it okay. Last thing. I know I just keep saying like last thing, but we talked to Effie after the show because there was no way I wasn't going to bring up that Tullahoma show to him. Right. And the first thing when I came over and just said. What the fuck happened last night and what he said to me immediately was girl.
01:11:55
Speaker
I was like, what do you say after that? That's all you're going to tell me? He said, well, he's like, well, I made it out alive. And I said, isn't it fucking crazy that like they ended up loving it? And he goes, oh, he's he's I'm convinced most of them were gay anyway. He said, you can't have that much hate in your heart and not want to have a little cum at the end.
01:12:16
Speaker
Oh my god. He said, you know all that hatred ends in just a little gay cum. We cannot end the show on a better note than that. We started with theater. We're ending with cum. When Effie said that to me, I loved him even more and thought, you're perfect. Never change.
01:12:37
Speaker
Effie, Orange Cassidy, you did the Lord's work this weekend and you put on one of my favorite matches I've ever had the pleasure of witnessing live. Never stop. You guys are absolutely wonderful. Thank you very much. Hit our goddamn music.