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Episode 32: SummerSlam Weekend With Queen Of The Ring! Feat. Joey Janela's Lost In New York, NXT Takeover Brooklyn & SummerSlam
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This week Garrett is joined by a very special guest and friend of the show Queen Of The Ring! Garrett took a field trip to New York to attend Joey Janela's Lost In New York, NXT Takeover Brooklyn 4 and SummerSlam!
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Episode Introduction and Guest Introduction
00:00:00
Speaker
Hey everybody, welcome to another episode of Predetermined, a pro wrestling hangout. I'm your host, Garrett Callender, and with me, as always, this is where the Dolph Ziggler record scratch would come in. Derek Halpin is not with us today, but do not worry, he is not dead. He will be back next week. I am joined by a very special guest this week. You've heard us talk about her over and over again. You've seen her YouTube videos. Queen of the Ring, Alex, welcome to the show. Hello, hello. First time guest, long time listener.
00:00:31
Speaker
And I as you can tell from Alex's voice we have attended a lot of wrestling this weekend Yeah, there's a lot to talk about this weekend for sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and you know what? Let's just get into it Would you like to do the honors? To hit your goddamn music
00:01:20
Speaker
Well, thanks for coming. Yeah. You're really the first person to be here that isn't Derek. Really? Yeah, it's never just been me and someone else. Oh, cool. I feel honored. Maybe this goes really well and Derek's gone forever. Which I have to give you a little heat for last week's episode saying that we wouldn't have great chemistry. There was no way to know. There was no way to know.
00:01:44
Speaker
We met through a mutual wrestling friend, Kayla, from the Music City Horror Podcast.
Wrestling Stories: Cody Rhodes and Pete Dunne
00:01:51
Speaker
You sat behind me at Progress at Mania this year. And we shared chicken tenders. Oh, I mean, yeah. They gave us that pile of like 10 chicken tenders. So that's too many for one human to eat. And you were very loud that entire weekend.
00:02:08
Speaker
Yeah, I believe the moment I was like no you need to be on the show was we've definitely already talked about this but at Supercard you were front row. Yeah, you're a little internet famous after that night because Cody Rhodes spit beer in your face Yeah, a lot of people still ask me if I'm mad about that. I'm not I feel so great about it I mean even in the moment. I can't imagine being mad. No, it's like getting spit on by wrestling royalty. Yeah
00:02:38
Speaker
And also, you had another famous run-in recently. With Pete Dunne? Yeah. What happened there? He attacked me with my shoe. Did he ask for the shoe? Yeah, so he was crawling towards... I was sitting in the front row and he crawled towards me and I was vlogging for my channel and I saw through my phone, he looked up and said, give me your shoe. And I threw all of my stuff onto my friend and it was the fastest I ever untied my shoe in my life.
00:03:06
Speaker
And he attacked people during the match with that shoe, and then he was gonna give it back to me, but the way he gave it back to me was attacking me with it. Do you normally get an altercations with wrestlers, or is this just a recent thing from just me meeting you, like since then? I think you've cursed me or something, because I've never interacted with wrestlers like this. I mean, I think it's kind of like the Hellraiser cube. For some it's a curse, for others it's pleasure.
00:03:33
Speaker
I mean, to this point, people are asking me if I'm a plant. There's so many things that happen. I caught Brian Pillman's glasses at an MLW taping once, and people are like, did he just give them to you? I'm like, no, I caught that one-handed. I earned that. Oh, that was impressive, too. You had one-handed while filming, and then in frame. So you kind of get the first-person view of what it's like to catch something at a wrestling show. Yeah.
Recap of Joey Janela Lost in New York Show
00:03:57
Speaker
But yeah, we saw pretty much all the wrestling that New York had to offer this weekend. And so on Friday, we went to Joey Janela Lost in New York.
00:04:07
Speaker
That was a great show. That top spring break too for me. Yeah, me too. Mostly just because it was missing the cluster fuck. It was at a decent time. Oh, it was a perfect time. Great venue. Yeah. I am not used to seeing indie wrestling in a nice place. I'm not used to a bathroom attendant at a wrestling show.
00:04:29
Speaker
Yeah, so the show was at Melrose Ballroom in Queens, and it's like a full-blown production. The first time I went in, I was like, holy shit, I thought this was gonna be a bingo hall. I was like a full-on concert venue balcony.
00:04:45
Speaker
Before we got on the door, we went to go eat tacos across the street. Yeah. And we jokingly asked each other if we were eating tacos next to the band Weetus that performed at Joey Janela's spring break. Surprise. Turns out it was. So we were sitting next to 90s one hit wonder fame. That that was such a good show. It opened with Weetus.
00:05:08
Speaker
Yeah, that first match was so good with MJF. MJF versus Nate Webb. Spider Nate Webb, his entrance music is typically Teenage Dirtbag by Wetus. I love that song, personally. I don't know if you could hear me singing. Oh, I did. I was into it. I've always wanted to see Wetus only play that song. And I got my wish.
00:05:30
Speaker
and it was at a wrestling show, it was perfect. It could literally never be more perfect than that. And then MJF comes out and cuts a promo on Weetus. Yes. It was so good. It felt like a WrestleMania entrance, kind of. It really did. It felt like we were at indie WrestleMania, which should be all in. Oh, yes. But honest to God, the way Janella had it set up,
00:05:57
Speaker
All in needs to take some notes from him. Yeah, he did a really good job, especially with this one. I mean, Spring Break was just so long, but this one was really good. He knocked it out of the park, for sure. That guy is great at booking. Yeah. I mean, it just flowed so well. And then I'm trying to think, oh, in the first match, we just got involved. I popped pretty hard. I think the whole room did, but that was really exciting.
00:06:23
Speaker
That has to be the most cheers Weetus has received in years. Yeah, probably. And I'm a fan. So if Weetus is listening, I mean that with all due respect. The crowd loved you, Weetus. But I don't know, what were some of the highlights of the night for you? That ladder match with Orange Cassidy was amazing.
00:06:43
Speaker
I don't think we've talked about Orange Cassidy on this show because the only other time I had seen him was in the middle of that cluster fuck. Which you you were like, oh, this is the first time I'm seeing him. I corrected you. I was like, no, you saw him at spring break. Yeah, I a lot got lost that week. Yeah. But yeah, describe describe Orange Cassidy. Orange Cassidy.
00:07:05
Speaker
The best way I could describe him, he's like a lazy piece of shit. Like for the meet and greet, he was sitting on the steps in the ring and he was just like chilling with like one arm hanging up, hanging up, you know. Wait, he was there before the show? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was on one corner, the opposite corner from Janela.
00:07:28
Speaker
He is so low key that I didn't even notice him. He was just like literally like he looked like the stoop kid from Hey Arnold and that he had orange juice next to him with his sunglasses on and he also wrestles with his sunglasses and jeans. Takes his time in the ring.
00:07:45
Speaker
So it was a grab the brass ring mat, or grab the brass ring mat ladder match. And he turned a ladder on its side, stood on it like while it was wobbly and was just reaching up while it was still at least 10 feet above his head. That was, we brought my friend Erin who had never been to a wrestling show. Like I don't even know if she had watched pro wrestling prior to that night. And she fucking loved it.
00:08:14
Speaker
I'm kind of jealous that that was her first experience to wrestling, because it was an awesome first show. What was your first show?
Alex's First Wrestling Experience and Becoming a Fan
00:08:22
Speaker
My first live show was a Monday Night Raw in Madison Square Garden. And I remember the first match was Ric Flair versus Umaga. That's awesome. That's the only match that stands out. Well, I mean, that's better than me with my Thursday night thunder.
00:08:41
Speaker
No, that's cool. I mean, I did get to see Terry Funk wrestle twice in one night and see Lex Luger fight a woman to help his girlfriend win the match. Oh, yeah, that was that was weird. But how old were you?
00:08:56
Speaker
Oh man, I was probably, I was 13 or 14. Okay. Yeah. And it was a whole like family outing. Cause my whole family's super interesting. I have two older brothers growing up in the nineties. I used to take pedigrees for days.
00:09:12
Speaker
So was it your teens that you got into wrestling or have you been into wrestling forever? All my life. Yeah, all my life. The first wrestling show I watched was WrestleMania 12 with a street fight against Roddy Piper and Goldust. And then the next match was Shawn Michaels. And when he like ziplined in, I was like, oh, I'm sold. Who is this guy? I'm so in love. And ever since then, just hooked. First Wrestle Crush, Shawn Michaels. Yeah.
00:09:36
Speaker
I'm trying to think if I have one. Ric Flair, no, it was that white hair. I just, yeah, I don't remember a time before wrestling. The very first wrestling I remember watching and I cannot find it anywhere. I swear to God it happened. I remember IRS guy kicking somebody in a corner and he had green shit all over the bottom of his shoes and it looked like goop and it was getting on his face and it was like one of those, the wrestling that came on after Saturday morning cartoons.
00:10:06
Speaker
I swear to God it happened. But I cannot find it anywhere so I might be making it up. I don't think I am. Hopefully someone finds it. So I think though that's why I always like playing as IRS guy in the Sega Genesis games.
00:10:19
Speaker
But back to Janellas, because I don't know, you've listened to the show, I go on. No, yes, I have. Derek does a good job of keeping me on track and getting me back to the point, so if that, please feel free to- Well, Derek did give me a tip and he just said to be mean to you. Oh, go ahead. Okay. Go ahead. Derek's been doing it our whole life and, you know, we're still friends. Still works out.
00:10:41
Speaker
So I'm trying to think what are some of the other highlights from the night. We on the show we've talked about Marco Stunt quite a bit. Yeah. We've seen him a lot at Southern Underground Pro. He is a small wrestler. He is. I don't. I wouldn't mean technically I would say a little person but I don't know if he's a little person. He's 22 years old. That blows my fucking mind. Yeah. I saw that on Twitter.
00:11:03
Speaker
His voice is very high. He looks like a child. Yeah. And I don't know. He's he made it this weekend. He really did. I don't. I think I heard of him through the past episodes on this podcast. But I don't think I've ever seen him wrestle. So that was.
00:11:18
Speaker
Yeah, it seems like he mostly had been wrestling in Southern promotions. I think he's from Mississippi is what I saw on Twitter. And he answered an open challenge. It looked like a child just walked up to the ring. And I don't obviously the crowd had not heard of him prior to that. He just came to the ring as Marco.
00:11:39
Speaker
and he did some crazy shit. Like, I hadn't even seen him do that stuff at Southern Underground Pro. Oh, really? Oh, yeah, that was, what he was doing was next level from what he was doing there. Also, not a lot of room at Southern Underground Pro, very low ceilings. Oh, okay. Not a lot of room for flying, but very much a high flyer. Yeah. And I think he got made. Yeah, he did. Yeah, he got it booked on all in the next day.
00:12:04
Speaker
Is that like was he was he planned on getting booked for all in or is that the night there was like, okay, we're sold your book now. I mean, had anyone heard of him? No, I don't know. But now we get to see him in a match with Billy Gunn.
00:12:19
Speaker
Oh, they booked that? Mr. S is in. Oh my god. So I think we're kind of getting the all in cluster fuck. Oh yeah. It's gonna be broadcast on WGN. And it seems like it's men, women, whoever wants to be
Unique Experiences at Bar, No-Ring Deathmatches
00:12:32
Speaker
in the zero hour thing seems like they're gonna be in this. Just hopefully it doesn't run until four in the morning. Jesus Christ. Yeah, it goes over so all in goes late and it ends up being a disaster. And it's the match where they just book too many people that ruins it. Yeah, probably. Yeah. Hopefully not.
00:12:48
Speaker
But one of the weirder things I thought about the Janela show, Janela didn't poke himself in the main event.
00:12:56
Speaker
That was good. It was weird, but it was good. It ended up being good because the match he did was a little more low key than the rest of the matches. It wasn't like a high flying match. It was a real wrestling match. It started with a lot of grappling at a build. It was I mean, it was probably the best told in rings story. Yeah. Yeah. Where you were watching a real wrestling match. But sometimes when I go to indie shows, I just I want to see just crazy shit.
00:13:24
Speaker
Yeah, but it was a good break, especially from that ladder match, because there was some crazy stuff from that ladder match. I mean, we're leaving a lot out of that ladder match. G-raver? Yeah, what was the move that Jimmy Lloyd did to him on the top of it? It looked like it was going to be like a brain buster, but he hit his head on the top of the ladder on the way down before sending his head through a steel chair that was unfolded.
00:13:52
Speaker
Aaron was sitting between us but she like held on to us so tight when that happened and we just all looked at each other like yeah we know that I couldn't tell if that was a botch I think the hitting the head on the way down that didn't look like it felt good
00:14:07
Speaker
I thought we witnessed a murder. I was so scared. But I mean, the last time I saw G Raver, he was just getting cut the fuck up at a GCW deathmatch. Yeah, same. The last time I saw G Raver was a no ring deathmatch at Tender Trap. Oh, yeah, against Casanova Valentine. So you had to like be really close to that man. I was super close. Yeah, that's terrifying. There was fluorescent shards of fluorescent light bulb shards like flying into my drink. OK.
00:14:34
Speaker
So you've been attending these bar, no ring death mad shows. Yeah, I started. The first one was that show, the Drew River show, probably the week or two after mania, because there was one in January with Zach Sabre Jr. and Chuckie T, which I wanted to check out so bad, but I couldn't. I worked.
00:14:57
Speaker
They were just doing a regular, was it a, I guess a street fight or was they, were they doing it? No, it was like a no ring. Like just, just, I don't think, no, it wasn't a death match. It was just like a no ring match. And I'll never forget. Like there's a clip online of Zach Sabre Jr. yelling out, I'm doing an arm bar on the bar. I was like, damn, I wish I would have seen that.
00:15:20
Speaker
For the deathmatch, I mean, are they bleeding all over the bar like they would? Oh, yeah. Yeah, I got blood on me a couple of times, yeah. And they're still doing light tubes. Yeah, yeah, light tubes. Tables with, like, these razors on them. Trash cans. Bats wrapped with barbed wire. This, like, weasel gardening spike thing.
00:15:48
Speaker
I don't even know how to describe that. I mean, they get creative with some weapons they bring to these. Oh, yeah. And I've noticed in New York, everywhere has like the letter on the rating of like the sanitary rating. Yeah. I feel like after that, they'd have to change the letter to the bar. No, that bar has an A. It's under trap. It has an A. Still? Yeah, it still does. That's so crazy. They're swinging light tubes because I saw some videos of it. It would look packed.
00:16:18
Speaker
Oh yeah it was packed. They don't have a lot of room. Yeah that show The Opener was The Boy Diva and Penelope Ford and she wanted to do a swirly in the bathroom but someone was in the bathroom.
00:16:34
Speaker
And when I met her at Lost in New York, I told her, like, the first time I saw you was at that death match. And I was a fan ever since. And she was like, yeah, I'm pretty upset that Swirly Spot couldn't make it in. I didn't know she did death matches as well. Yeah. God, that's a weird couple.
00:16:48
Speaker
Yeah, I think that's a death, was that a death? Yeah, it was technically a death match. Yeah, meant to be. Good for her. Yeah. I don't know. I've actually never seen a female death match. And it might make me sad. It's like, to be honest, a lot of the guys that are doing the death matches, they look like, all right, yeah.
00:17:05
Speaker
Let Nick Gage bleed. He looks like he loves it. A guy like Schlack is like, yeah, you would do death matches. He is terrifying. He is. But you're going to see him versus PCO? PCO, yeah, for outlaw wrestling. I'm always afraid for PCO. I feel like I live in constant fear for him, but he doesn't ask me to.
00:17:26
Speaker
I'm scared for anyone who faces PCO. Oh, my God. And oh, yeah, I guess going back to Janelle's main event, Matt Riddle versus PCO and PCO lived up to just taking that beating, getting those chest slaps. Oh, man, that was brutal to watch.
00:17:42
Speaker
Looks like he loves them. He thrives on them. Yeah. And we got a surprise partway through where, what is it, Destro? Yeah. Destro came out and jump started him with some jumper cables. Came back because PCO, not human. Also, not super interested in talking to me. No, not at all. So excited to meet the man. And I'll be honest, I've never heard him actually speak, I don't think. So I don't know. I'm going to go ahead and just say he doesn't speak English and that he was super excited to meet me.
00:18:12
Speaker
I think he's just full-blown weird. Like, I don't think I would want to get into a full-blown conversation with him. I gotta know, though. I gotta know what brought him back to this after all these years. Yeah, true. Because, I mean, Aaron asks us, is it kind of like the wrestler situation? And I don't think it is. No. It's not sad. No, it's really, no, it's not sad at all. Yeah. Like, at this point, I'd love to see him show up in NXT.
00:18:42
Speaker
Man, I couldn't imagine him being in NXT. Is there anything else we're leaving out at Janellas that's worth talking about we Trying to think like we witnessed quite a bit that night. We had Nick Gage versus Sabu. Oh Yeah, that was fun. That was a good surprise. That was a really not we had two good surprises that night Yeah, we also got Sandman
00:19:04
Speaker
Oh, yeah. I was on my way to the bathroom and I was kind of like pushing people. It was really tight. So the venue, it was the ring in the middle, of course. And then there was a balcony and there was general admission, but there was people standing near the bar like towards the way to the bathroom. So I'm kind of like pushing my way through. And then the music hit and I looked up and I locked eyes with this huge dude. He was like six, seven, like kind of overweight. I'm not going to. No shame in that game. Whatever. No shame. But I'm just a description.
00:19:34
Speaker
and we locked eyes and I was like, no way. He was like, fuck yeah. And then I like slowly turned and Sandman was already in the balcony and that's when I ran back to you and I was like, yep, I didn't pee. I'm gonna stay here now. Oh, the second inner Sandman started playing, my eyes were huge and I looked at Erin and I said, she's gonna run back. She'll be back.
00:20:02
Speaker
And I think 10 seconds later, you were back at the seat. Yep. Yeah. I had never seen Sandman in person before. So that was that was an experience. I don't I don't know if I have because that very first match that I went to the Monday Night Raw, it was around the time when they filmed ECW before. So I saw Sabu. So on Friday was the first time I've seen Sabu wrestle in 12 years.
00:20:27
Speaker
Jesus. Yeah, maybe 12 years.
Sandman's Memorable Entrance
00:20:30
Speaker
I don't think I don't think Sandman was on that card. So I think that was my first time seeing him. But when he walked on top of the seats and he walked towards us, I was like, oh, fuck, is it going to happen again? Another interaction with the rest. Like at this point, I'm just like, all right, sure. Pour beer on me. But he didn't. And I was a little bummed. I'm not going to lie.
00:20:53
Speaker
When he passed me, I was so sad. Like, it looked like to get a beer poured on you, you had to be holding one. It wasn't like he was providing the beers himself. And I've never been sadder to not have a beer. I would have been, oh, that would have made, because I had a camera ready, I was ready to just film getting poured on. But it was awesome, still have seen him that close and just still have the kendo stick. Yeah, the motorboating women here and there.
00:21:23
Speaker
Was he doing that on the way to the ring? Oh yeah, he pulled up a chick and poured beer in her mouth and then he motorboated her. I got that on video. What's problematic? No, she seemed like she was super into it. She was into it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Erin did notice she's like, wow, wrestling fans seem really nice, which in person, I think when you're at a show, like an indie show like that, I mean, that was a party.
00:21:48
Speaker
Yeah. Everybody was there to party. Like Janela doesn't put on wrestling shows. He throws parties. Yeah. And it was pretty cool to see like everyone run up to you like, oh, I saw you at the G1. Oh, I saw you at like mania or whatever. No, no, no.
00:22:03
Speaker
You were the queen of New York this weekend as I walked around with you I watched you get stopped so many times So if you're not checking out Alex's show subscribe right now tell him how to find it You can type in on YouTube queen of the ring wrestling because there is a queen of the ring Page, but it's a rap battling page Like I always have to say like queen of the ring wrestling instead of queen of the ring because they're like I don't see you in any of these rap battle videos I'm like, I'm not in it
00:22:33
Speaker
Have you ever made any wrestlers angry with your your videos or is there have been a video that like pissed off fans? Probably the fabulous moolah that comment section is wild and
00:22:50
Speaker
I have to imagine being a female on wrestling internet can sometimes be awful. You know, you get the occasional guys that kind of shoot your shot in the DMs, but I haven't gotten a dick pic yet. I'm expecting it though, the more I grow.
00:23:12
Speaker
That's how you know you made it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I guess I haven't made it yet. But no I don't I don't think I have like any heat with any wrestler. There's some fans when the fabulous Mila controversy came out. I made a video of how
00:23:30
Speaker
how much it sucked that they did that and they got it they pulled it just for the ad and not for the the fans and why everyone was so upset about it and that comment section was it's just like oh man so sexist it was so bad so it's so bad it makes me cringe um did you get any with the because i know you got a lot of views on the endzo one reviewing his song
00:23:55
Speaker
Yeah, but it was a lot of like, oh yeah, I agree with all your facial expressions. That's probably, which sucks. That's my highest viewed video. It has 10,000 views, which I hate that it's an Enzo Amore music video. But that song is something else. I put that on in the car the other day as a joke and didn't tell my wife what it was. And it played for just a little bit before,
00:24:21
Speaker
What the fuck is this? That goes back to like, love Jeff Hardy. Went to see Jeff Hardy in concert. It hurts to watch a hero be great at one thing and not great at another. And sometimes it feels good to watch a guy who's kind of a piece of shit.
00:24:38
Speaker
not be great at one thing and be really really bad at another thing really really bad i'm glad we missed him at a house of glory is he back on the indies i don't know what he did in house of glory i don't know if he just made an appearance or if he wrestled but there were a lot of people that were asking me like
00:24:54
Speaker
Oh, are you going to hog? Like, no, fuck you. I'm going to Joy Janellis. I'm not going to go see Enzo. It was like Enzo Austin Aries was in there. OK. Yeah. I don't I don't remember who else. If I was going to see anyone, it was probably Austin Aries, but I've seen him a bunch of times. Yeah. And we had to see Matt Riddle's final indie appearance.
00:25:13
Speaker
It's not his last one. Oh, is he finishing out soon? I think it's his last American indie appearance, but he's already booked for Wembley and it's confirmed that that's gonna be his last indie appearance. Good. Yeah, for progress, yeah. I'm happy we got to see one last one. He's so fun to watch. Yeah, he is. Which I guess leads us over to the next night.
Matt Riddle's NXT Debut Discussion
00:25:34
Speaker
We went to NXT TakeOver Brooklyn, which the internet is going crazy for.
00:25:39
Speaker
Yeah, I love that there's some part of the internet that's going crazy that he wore flip-flops with his suit. To me, that's the news I want to read about. I want to read that he is truly that guy. Yeah, he's just classic riddle. The corporate business is not going to change him. Hearing an American arena chanting bro just warmed my heart so much.
00:26:06
Speaker
God, I hope Brock isn't done so that we can check that last box on his shirt. Ooh, yeah, I didn't even think of that. We can throw Brock a whole bunch of money, get him back for one more time, let Riddle actually retire Brock. Yeah, oh wow, that'd be good. Riddle's got a long road ahead of him though, to get to that point. What do you think his first feud would be?
00:26:30
Speaker
Well, you know what I want. You know I want Keith Lee. They've done so many good matches together. I know that'll win everyone over on both of them. Yeah, if they do that for TakeOver Survivor Series weekend, that'd be good. I don't see Matt Riddle not making it. He's tall enough to, I think, appease Vince. He's ripped as hell. He's a handsome guy. I think it'll work out.
00:26:56
Speaker
Yeah, there's a lot of people on on Twitter that I saw. I was like, this guy's not even talented. I've never heard of this guy before. It's like, just wait. Just wait. Just wait. I mean, he's one of those guys that picked up wrestling so fast. Yeah. Like he just got it. But I think him and Rhonda, there's the way they strike is faster than everyone else. It looks more like MMA.
00:27:17
Speaker
And I think that's still what makes Rhonda exciting to watch. It's not gonna be a long match, but it's going to be just really fast and hard. Just every move she does is quick. I feel like Riddle does the same. Riddle will still make me cringe when he wrestles Barefoot. Hate it. I absolutely hate it. Hate it when Rusev did it. I'm a shoes on guy. I have shoes on right now, and it's casual Friday.
00:27:45
Speaker
I think men need to wear shoes. I don't want to see men's feet. I'm weird about feet. I'm weird about all feet, to be honest. I don't want to see them. I don't think we've talked about that on here. But that NXT card was really good. God, it was good. Yeah. The opening match we had Undisputed Era versus Mustache Mountain. A great match. I feel like Mustache Mountain just, they don't put on bad matches. They don't. They are just, they're so fun to watch. I love those two guys. They did so much charisma.
00:28:15
Speaker
Yeah. And I pointed out to you while we were watching, you said you have a place in your heart for O'Reilly, like your big O'Reilly fan. Yeah, I love him. Just like the little things that he does. I've seen like a little bit of his stuff at Ring of Honor, but it's mostly like the stuff that he does in NXT, like his promos and just the air guitar.
00:28:33
Speaker
Like there was one, I don't know if they were doing a promo or an interview, but he's sitting on the couch and he has the title and he's tuning the neck of like the straps as if it's like the neck of a guitar and just like listening to it. Like just like that stuff just warms my heart.
00:28:52
Speaker
And I did notice, we were pretty high up. The Barclays Center caught me a little off guard with their seating. So now I know how the seating works. It actually goes floor, then like the 10s. Oh yeah, yeah. Wasn't expecting the 10s. You know like 10 through like 24 or something. Then the 100 level, then 200. Normally it goes 100, 200, 300. So had upper level. Thought we were gonna be kind of in the middle.
00:29:20
Speaker
We were in the middle, we had a good spot. We could see the ring pretty clear. Oh yeah, we could see, and even from that high, all of O'Reilly's strikes looked awesome. Yeah. Like, when, from that high up, it looks that real? Mm-hmm. Perfect. Yeah. Perfect. And then Undisputed Era 1, and then War Raiders came out and attacked them. They didn't do the Rockfists. No, they didn't. There were people that were doing it in the audience for them, but they were just, they didn't do it. Why?
00:29:46
Speaker
I mean, it looks like they don't want to do it when they're doing it. Do you think they like looked at the Internet or somebody got a memo like you guys look like lame dads? I think that'll be a fun matchup though. Yeah, that'll be fun. And then what did we have after that? EC3 versus Velveteen Dream.
00:30:08
Speaker
Yes, did Velveteen Dream. He's just so good. His pants. Yes, but call me up Vince. I don't think anyone's ever done that, have they? And NXT just like blatantly said, I'm ready. Get me to the main roster. No, not at all. And he's got some heat backstage for that. So I read today on Twitter. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know what exactly is happening, but there are some backstage officials that weren't too happy about that.
00:30:36
Speaker
I have to imagine that those guys get every, have to approve everything they do before they go out. Did he have secret pants? Maybe, or maybe he pulled like Triple H aside and was like, Hey, I'm going to do this. And Triple H is like, yeah, totally. Like he secretly likes fucking with his father-in-law. That, oh.
00:31:00
Speaker
Yeah. I have to say EC3 won me over on that match. I wasn't a huge EC3 fan, but like slowly he impresses me. I feel like I should like him, but I just don't, but little by little each match is just like, okay, I grabbed little things here and there and I'm like, okay, maybe I could be a fan.
00:31:16
Speaker
I think his vignettes are what are starting to win me over. Just watching him be a babyface heel. He's a babyface in his mind, but he's still a dick. And there aren't a lot of babyfaces. There was one where he debuted his shirt, and he was showing it to a guy. And the guy's like, thank you, and takes it away. And he's like, he probably needs it more than I do. And like.
00:31:43
Speaker
And then Velveteen Dream won. That's good. He deserves it. I don't remember the last match you won.
00:31:50
Speaker
Which when you can lose that many matches and be that over, that's saying something. I mean, there aren't many guys on NXT that I want to see go to the main roster, but he's one that it feels like he's made for the main roster. Yeah, there were a lot of people with those glasses, those Velveteen Dream glasses, shirts. I saw two Velveteen Dream cosplays. Great ones. They did a great job with the hair. Yeah.
00:32:19
Speaker
Do you think he might get called up for SmackDown? Well, we're recording this on Mondays. I would hope if he went anywhere, it would be SmackDown. Yeah. And what do they have? Any other what belts
Velveteen Dream's Controversial Pants at NXT
00:32:31
Speaker
do they have? They have the United States, United States, the WWE, the tag and the women's, which I would actually wouldn't be mad if he went after the women. But only if Carmella was still champion because I'd like to see that feud.
00:32:49
Speaker
but think about velveteen dream versus shinsuke oh yeah that'd be good a lot of people are saying if he went into raw it'd be cool to see him versus Elias yeah I those are two that definitely would work together who is I mean at this point they're both velveteen dream a baby face
00:33:10
Speaker
I thought he was a heel, isn't he? I guess it doesn't matter because he's so over, like, over. Yeah, and last night, I mean, at SummerSlam, New York likes a heel. Oh, yeah. Is what I've learned. Like, they chanted, you deserve it at Becky Lynch when she turned heel. And she did deserve it. Oh, god, she did. It was so good. But let's see, after EC3, oh my god, Adam Cole versus Ricochet, which,
00:33:38
Speaker
I mean, if you take a, maybe Matt, as far as just wrestling goes, match of the night? Yeah, I'd say that's match of the night for me.
00:33:48
Speaker
It was just that, when Ricochet does a back flip, like a springboard back flip off the top, or off just the middle rope, and gets super kicked right in the chin. Oh, perfect timing. And the way that Adam Cole runs for that pin, just like flailing his arms, it was so like Shawn Michaels-esque and it won my heart over. I mean like, oh God, that pop, that was probably the biggest pop was for Adam Cole in Undisputed Era.
00:34:15
Speaker
It's funny because a guy like Ricochet in my mind should be super, super over just from watching him work, just doing the flips, but nothing matches Adam Cole's charisma. No, not at all. I think Ricochet will probably get over. He has the title now. If he gets a good amount of feuds under his belt, he'll be over. I mean, he should be as... I expected him to be much more over than he is now, but he's in good spot.
00:34:43
Speaker
seemed a little disappointed that Adam Cole didn't retain. Yeah. Which still surprises me because in my head Ricochet is still one of the best in the world. Yeah. Oh I thought Adam Cole was gonna retain and I was like oh man that's a bummer. I was still happy for Ricochet although he took way too long to grab that belt. I was like all right you're you're kind of showboating you're gloating all right just take the belt you won get out of here. Like I said he's he's so handsome he can do whatever he wants.
00:35:10
Speaker
and I'll never stop saying it handsome enough to be Laura Winslow's boyfriend on Family Matters. I wanted to see Urkel feud with him about how handsome and talented he is. I think he just might be biased because of the lasers.
00:35:22
Speaker
God, I love a laser. We've definitely never talked about this. Anytime I'm at a concert and there's lasers, I pop. Big laser mark. If you want to get over with me, only wrestle her with them right now so that you're right. A little biased. That's probably why you like my YouTube videos, because I have a laser background. That's true. Our friendship blossomed out of lasers. Oh, man. But Kyrie Sin won.
00:35:46
Speaker
That's great. Best elbow drop in the business. It's so good. Even high up there, it's still so good. It looks great no matter where you're sitting. And the pirate princess thing, super over. Just cute. I like that the ending was kind of the way that Ember won in Philly.
00:36:08
Speaker
where she did like the backbend. Well she was like she got caught in a submission and then she still pinned Shayna where I like that that's Shayna's weakness in a way where it's like she gets too caught up in getting somebody in a submission and she kind of I don't know I guess doesn't think straight and somebody's like fuck you I just pinned you kind of thing you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah yeah do you do you see her going up to the main roster do you think they keep her there for a while
00:36:37
Speaker
I think she's going to go up because they might do four horse women versus four horse women for evolution. Because at NXT, they announced that it was going to be Alexa Bliss versus Trish Stratus. So I think that whole pay per view is just going to be like nostalgia exhibition matches. They already announced Rhonda's match. Did they? Yeah, it's weird. What is it? Rhonda versus Nikki.
00:37:02
Speaker
Nikki Bella. Yeah. Bleacher Report posted it last night at while we were at SummerSlam after her match. It was already online. Oh, that's so stupid. It's weird. But the Bellas were at ringside and they came into the ring to celebrate with Rhonda. If they would have turned on Rhonda. I would be much more excited for that announcement.
00:37:28
Speaker
Yeah, but I guess we have two months to build something, but why would you announce that match already without building anything? Unless it's going to be the lady, I don't, Rhonda's gonna hold that forever. Yeah, she's gonna hold that way, yeah, way more. Which it probably is gonna be the lady who's going to be the longest reigning champ versus the lady who currently is.
00:37:55
Speaker
Yeah, I guess. I mean, they both can't wrestle, so I guess we'll be fine. Hey, I love Nikki. I think she worked really hard to try and hang with the other girls. It didn't quite work, but it wasn't as bad as some of the others. And she has a hell of an Alabama slam, and I love that move.
00:38:16
Speaker
Yeah, she's got a pretty good Alabama slam. And I think she did that to Paige on the apron once. And it was pretty nasty. Yeah, wasn't there like a money in the bank or something? Yeah. Yeah, that sounds... Yeah. Actually, I'm trying to remember. I feel like I saw her do it at a hell in a cell, too. I think I saw it live at one point. Oh, okay. I don't know. Either way.
00:38:38
Speaker
It's kind of a weird match but it makes sense to have her with somebody who's been wrestling for a while that is kind of still on the same level. Although I am gonna cringe during that match because Nikki Bella's neck, anybody that had like a really bad neck injury like I still can't watch Daniel Bryan wrestle.
00:38:58
Speaker
It hurts me. Like when people ask me, do I want him to leave WWE and go back to the endies? Not really. I don't want to see him doing crazy shit. He's got a wife and kid and he's where he needs to be. He's at the safest place he could possibly be. Oh, but we didn't even talk about the last match at NXT.
00:39:19
Speaker
Probably one of the biggest matches of the weekend. Yeah, we totally almost passed by it. And okay, so Champa Gargano three. And you told me something when you got here. I had not read
Johnny Gargano's Injury at NXT TakeOver
00:39:31
Speaker
yet. Yes, Gargano dislocated his knee. That is insane. I thought it was a perfect finish to that match.
00:39:38
Speaker
Yeah, Triple H went on Facebook Live after and I guess that's where he confirmed it that Gargano dislocated his knee. That wasn't supposed to be the ending. Gargano was supposed to win. Which kind of makes sense now to think back when Champa kept coming back, they were probably like, just go back.
00:39:58
Speaker
go back and sell that you were supposed to win. Whenever he went backstage and came back, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, go gloat a little more. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because that wasn't in the script. So he goes, yeah. That was, once again, just I love that they destroy the whole arena.
00:40:13
Speaker
Yeah. The whole ringside is just covered in trash. The floor is torn up. The mat is torn up. It's a beautiful ending to a show. Yeah, it was like life imitating art because it was Last Man Standing and Gargano literally could not stand up.
00:40:32
Speaker
Oh my god, the truest end into that match. Yeah, could you imagine Chompa's promos now? Oh. Like twice I beat you with handcuffs and now like I fucked up your knee. Oh! We have to be getting worked. We have to be getting worked. Oh no, I don't want it to be worked.
00:40:58
Speaker
I think Triple H just worked us. This is too perfect. And that sets it up for a four. I would have beat you if my knee hadn't gone out. Oh, man. Maybe four would be hell in a cell? For the love of God. Yeah.
00:41:16
Speaker
There's very few people that I wanna see a four of this quickly, but Kenny Omega and Okada, Champa Gargano. So get well soon, Johnny Wrestling, if you are actually hurt. Fuck, now I feel like he tricked me. Yeah, I feel fooled. Well, I hope you're okay, Mr. Candice. Mr. Candice.
00:41:45
Speaker
Do you think we could get, I'm trying to think like, I'm so excited to see Champa go after, like anyone go after him at this point. Yeah, I think that now Adam Cole doesn't have the title, the North American title. It should be him versus Champa. Who's the shittiest heel?
00:42:00
Speaker
Who is the shittiest heel hunter? Between the two of them, Champa. Champa, yeah, of course. Adam Cole is, I mean, at this point he's a babyface. He gets babyface reactions, Champa gets actual heel heat when he comes out, and yeah, I'm in. I said it to you when we were there, when people chant fuck you Champa for his theme music, it's like when a kid gets permission to curse for the first time. I think WWE is like, yeah, all right, you could do this one time. Papa Hunter says it's okay this time.
00:42:33
Speaker
Oh man, yeah that was top to bottom a
SummerSlam Reflections and Crowd Reactions
00:42:37
Speaker
good show. There wasn't a bathroom break in it.
00:42:40
Speaker
No, yeah, it was hard to miss them that whole cart or go get any food or water during that very dehydrated sore throat. Yeah. Oh, and we did a couple dark matches at the beginning. An important one. Deanna Parazzo. Yeah. That's her last name, right? I don't know. I don't know. We mispronounce it all the time. Yeah. She is Bianca Belair. Yeah. And
00:43:05
Speaker
I mean, spoiler alert, because you haven't seen it yet. Actually, no, by this point, it's Thursday. You've seen it. Yeah, she lost. Yeah. But love Bianca. I think she could. Her versus Kyrie Sane would be pretty cool. Ooh, for evolution. That'd be pretty cool. Yeah. Let's see. We can move on to SummerSlam. SummerSlam. Which you have to let me know what happened in the pre-show because I completely missed it.
00:43:31
Speaker
I mean, the show's too damn long, so they put all these matches in the pre-show. It started at five o'clock.
00:43:37
Speaker
which I think the first match actually happened around like 5.15, 5.30. So there's a lot of down time. Like tell everyone to show up for a pre-show and then have nothing going on most of the time. Kind of mean. Please give me a video. Show me some old matches. Ring of Honor at least shows us matches during intermissions. Yeah, that's true. But we had, what was first? Adrade Sian-Almas versus Selena Vega, or Selena and Selena Vega versus Rusev and Lana.
00:44:03
Speaker
Oh, that was the first match. That was the opening match. They were in an empty arena. Oh, like the side you were sitting on. Yeah. The front row completely empty. There were two people in that entire section. Oh, that's really sad to think that Rusev main event at the last pay-per-view and.
00:44:22
Speaker
did an empty arena match essentially, but it felt very personal. It felt like he was doing it for me, who was sitting damn near the top row in a corner. Yeah, that was a concern. I had limited view, perfect view of the ring, just no stage. Ended up being okay. Cheapest wrestling ticket I've ever bought for a WWE event though. It's like 30 bucks.
00:44:43
Speaker
Yeah, it's all that was available when I tried to get him Yeah, they had draw day one. I'm actually think Zelina Vega pinned Lana. Okay, so If I recall, I'm pretty sure that I think Lana took the pin on that one. So rusev didn't look bad or anything It was fine. I just it's a bummer cuz they're both so good and they deserve better Yeah, then pre-show then we had B team versus versus revival which I really thought revival
00:45:13
Speaker
Yeah, it's gonna take it yeah, and when they didn't now I'm really afraid that the revival is going to be the ascension oh No, cuz they said the word pro wrestling on TV And it was just like a regular win it wasn't like anything weird happened that resulted in them winning they won a match and
00:45:37
Speaker
Damn, that sucks. Although it was cool to see that backstage segment with the Miz and the beats. Oh, that was great. I didn't know how much, like how over they were.
00:45:47
Speaker
Now the people love their theme song. People love chanting the B team, B team, go, go, go. I didn't even know that was a thing. I haven't watched, I haven't seen Roland so long. I'm just like in the same boat as you. Yeah. And people think that we brag about what the last time and by people, I mean, Derek and I know we have other listeners that, you know, mostly do WWE and not the rest of the endies, but it isn't bragging. No, it's not like something to be proud of. It's just,
00:46:15
Speaker
we don't watch it as much, we don't tune in. And there's just so much other product out there to watch. Yeah, I mean, it's the same as like, how many people quit watching Orange is the New Black two seasons ago? Oh, very true. Because of that. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure people quit watching Walking Dead. Yeah. You know, sometimes shows just, how many years did you quit watching SNL for? Oh. And then they finally got like, you know, sometimes things happen. It's just, it's in a down spot sometimes. And I'm not bragging.
00:46:43
Speaker
It's also just not a great show sometimes. Yeah. I've got a lot else to watch. And then what was the next match? Fuck, there was one more during the pre-show. Cruiserweight.
00:46:54
Speaker
Oh yeah, the cruiserweight, Alexander retained. Oh, that sucks. And I feel like it was just, I'm sure it was great. It was still just a half empty arena and it was all pre-show. So I mean, I feel like there was just no energy for any of, I feel like they just weren't getting cheered. Like it was just kind of a quiet place because there weren't that many people there. But that happened a lot throughout the night where there was quiet spots.
00:47:19
Speaker
Yeah, I was so excited for you to come up because I was like, yes, you're finally going to experience like a New York wrestling crowd and you're finally going to realize why I was so loud at Supercard because most of the shows that I go to, I'm in a loud arena and Brooklyn was not that loud. I have no idea why.
00:47:39
Speaker
Maybe the length, but honestly, I do think it was a good summer slam. It was. Overall, I had a good time at it. I thought they had a few matches that I thought the card was a little weird and the way they place things like AJ Styles, Samoa Joe happened 90 minutes into a four hour show. Yeah, it happened before Finn Balor and Baron Corbin and even Jeff Hardy.
00:48:04
Speaker
and Shisuke Nakamura, that was weird. After it was over, I guess maybe the finish justifies not putting it towards the end, but still, even having it, you could have had it before the Raw Women's title match or something. I don't know, it just, they deserve a better spot on the card than that. They're both super over. It's the heavyweight fucking championship. That's supposed to be the most important belt, right? Yeah. It's the real one to me.
00:48:31
Speaker
It's the real one to me, too. The universal title is just like a toy. Yeah. I feel like it's the biggest celebrity in the fucking room because it makes the fewest appearances. Yeah. Oh, man, that kind of sucks. I took a bathroom break for Finn Balor Baron Corbin. Come back, see the goddamn Demon King standing in the ring.
00:48:53
Speaker
What a waste of a demon king appearance for Corbin. That was so stupid. I think they did that because it's like, oh, it's SummerSlam and the demons undefeated in SummerSlam. So they're probably going to set that up like an Undertaker thing. Yeah, which is so stupid. It's so wasted on Baron Corbin. Yeah, I took a bathroom break and then that was a squash match. And then we found out the next one was the United States title. And we were just like, yeah,
00:49:20
Speaker
You know what? We're just going to walk around. I don't want to sit in my seat anymore. So we did and we ran into a Chris Jericho look of cosplay. And Lucy knew him because he worked at Apple and he taught her how to edit on iMovie. So it was kind of like full circle for her.
00:49:40
Speaker
So he works at the Genius Bar during the day, cosplays Chris Jericho at night. Yeah. Which era Jericho were we talking with? Scarf with the list. Scarf the list. Yeah. Yeah. That's a pretty good one. He impressed me because his little clipboard was almost like a man purse for him and he stashed his ticket and extra pen and he kept emphasizing that the pen has to click. You have to hear the click or else it's not a good Jericho cosplay.
00:50:06
Speaker
He was wearing a Monday Night Raw WWF shirt and he did have a headband to be like modern day Jericho. Yeah, he did really well. Do you ever do cosplay?
00:50:19
Speaker
Um, no, I dressed up as like Hulk Hogan for Halloween once, and I buried that picture because of recent events.
Wrestling Cosplay: Past and Future Plans
00:50:28
Speaker
But I'm considering cosplaying as Molly Holly for Evolution, but when she was bald. Okay. Yes, because I love Molly Holly. Bald cap, or are you going for it? No, bald cap. Okay, okay. It's like, Jesus, it's like you're committed.
00:50:46
Speaker
I'm thinking about it, but I don't know. I wanted to do Brooklyn Brawler for SummerSlam, but that didn't work out. It sucks. I think I've been Nikki Bella for Halloween. Kevin Owens for Halloween, but that was just because that's easy for a chubby bearded man to just throw the shirt on and get some shorts. And then the Miz for my wedding. Oh, yes, that's right. That's the most important one.
00:51:13
Speaker
Yeah Derek did a hell of a Kevin Owens for my wedding as well he gave a best man speech like had the all the tattoos like he he went all out for it he does kind of look like him yeah and he's a big fan I bet oh I bet I bet he was broken oh my god yeah I wish we had him on here right now because that was
00:51:33
Speaker
That was one of the matches I was most looking forward to the entire night Yeah, that was one of the matches I was looking forward to too and then he came he came out I have this thing with Kevin Owens where whenever he comes out I yell out. Yes Dean. I don't know why I just do I don't have a problem with it with his name change or anything. I just do it He came out the match happened. I think that match was shorter than the Goldberg and Brock Lesnar match like
00:51:59
Speaker
Yeah, no it it was like a legit squash match and three minutes of him getting bowled over Yeah, my whole section wasn't was shocked like we were all looking at each other like what the hell and I there was like the section over me Was like chanting like kale deserves better. He does. Yeah, he had great ring gear Like since he I liked his money or KO in the bank. Yeah, I thought like okay We're setting up for him, but I guess that's what they wanted me to think and I
00:52:25
Speaker
took it away from me my section was chanting this is bullshit which was saying a lot for my section of like 20 fucking people that were like having fun but not really chanting because we were so segregated from the rest of everyone by a fucking wall and a curtain it was like you stay over here
00:52:46
Speaker
Yeah man, that sucks that it was a squash match but that got me so excited because it's like obviously Bronn was gonna cash in and then it was weird. I don't know. I think that what they did in the main event was kind of brilliant and that they shut us up.
00:53:05
Speaker
I think I think it was I think it was brilliant the way that like he came out after everyone was announced and he did a little speech like from what I got from that speech was basically like I'm not a bitch I'm here to cash in and I thought he was going to enter the match but he then just like watched the match yeah to me that's what a babyface would do is just be like this is a triple threat now I'm gonna beat you both
00:53:32
Speaker
Yeah but no then he didn't and then he just like stood around and I'm like well why are you here then what's going on and then even when well obviously he got attacked and then his briefcase flew I was hoping it was gonna fly into the crowd like the car door like an Olympic throw yeah yeah it was a phenomenal throw that hit the LED boards from the ring yeah there were pieces from that board that fell off
00:53:57
Speaker
Do you think he practiced that or do you think he's really just that strong? I think he's just that strong. God, if that went in the crowd, somebody would have gotten a great souvenir or just destroyed. Oh, yeah. Somebody like backstage would be like, no, no, seriously, you need to get that back. You gotta get that back. That's got Braun's lunch in it. I don't know. To me, Braun looked a little weak.
00:54:20
Speaker
Okay, so Erin sat with me. So she had a weird weekend of seeing her first indie wrestling show and her first like super produced WWE show. At least she got to see the Bellas though. Yeah. Oh, she was very, very happy about that. Because obviously she knew who Rhonda was. She knew who the Bellas were. So she got to see them together. Very happy.
00:54:37
Speaker
But I looked at her during the KO, Braun match, and at the end of it, I just said, because she saw the package before the video, and then the match. And I said, just curious, since you've never watched, like this is your first time seeing both of them, who's the good guy and who's the bad guy? And she's like, oh, Braun's the bad guy. She's like, he's picking on the chubby one.
00:55:02
Speaker
And I said, you were right. I think you're right. I think Braun Strowman is a heel right now. Even though he does come out and he's like, I'm not joining the match, but just so you know, whoever wins, I'm getting it. Yeah. Then everyone was just so excited. Like that was a huge pop besides that Becky Lynch heel turn, which that was a good match too. Let's go back to that because we completely passed that.
00:55:26
Speaker
That was probably in the top two of the night for me. Yeah. I love Charlotte Flair. I thought Becky Lynch was going to get it. And I kind of thought maybe Charlotte was going to go back to heel. Yeah. But way happier with this outcome. Definitely. I really like throughout the whole match. There were points where Carmella like there was one point where Carmella slapped Becky.
00:55:51
Speaker
on her head and then she like fell and Becky turned to Charlotte and she was like, were you the one to slap my head? Like I like how there was like that little rift that Carmela set up for them. And I mean, it was predictable that Becky was going to turn heel, but like that was probably a huge pop of the night. And then she got like, you deserve a chance to afterward. It was so good.
00:56:15
Speaker
Becky Lynch is back. After that night, for so many quiet matches, she easily got the loudest response of the night. Because even Roman didn't get the normal huge number of boos that he would get. When she came out, her entrance, that was a good pop. And then when she turned, that was an even better pop. Yeah, that was a really great match.
00:56:40
Speaker
Charlotte did, you know, her her flip to the floor, but she had a lot of twists. Oh, yeah, really good. Just yeah, that was over. I'm a big fan of triple threats. I don't know. Where do you stand on those? I know.
00:56:53
Speaker
Um, as long as it makes sense, I'm like a fan of anything really. Yeah. Yeah. As long as it makes sense. I know stone cold always talks about like from a wrestler standpoint, he didn't enjoy doing triple threats, but I, I always like having that one person out on the floor that you never know. It can always just change so fast. Like there's a lot of emotions makes me feel.
00:57:15
Speaker
But, uh, let's see. Oh, yeah, but I think the other match that was really fun that not a lot of people are talking about, because I had kind of a shit end, was the New Day match. I wasn't paying attention to that match. I'm gonna be completely honest. No, and it makes sense, because there wasn't any reason to. Yeah. But I think it was probably, it was pretty good. It was one of the better, it was the best tag team match of the night, and I thought New Day looked great. Did that end in a DQ? Yeah, Bludgeon Brothers hit him with a hammer. Okay. Yeah.
00:57:46
Speaker
Yeah, I don't really have anything else. Yeah, like what you said last week when you guys were going over the card, you just kept saying, like, who gives a shit? Like, that was my attitude throughout this whole SummerSlam. Which is weird, because it was fun overall. Yeah. Just with matches sprinkled through that there was no reason to care, which included AJ, Samoa Joe. There wasn't, I mean, that was hilarious, though, with him being like, I'm your daddy now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, when he got on top of the table, yeah. And yelling at a little girl who was ringside.
00:58:15
Speaker
So my section I was like right behind His wife and his kid and it was kind of funny to see like his kids just kind of like looking around I was like, I think she's gonna cry at any minute. She does not want to be here She needs a nap dad's bleeding The Samoan man keeps saying he's her dad now
00:58:36
Speaker
Yeah, it was a good, I guess, throwback for TNA fans with that match, but... Not a TNA chance. Yeah, there was. I like that that match ended in a DQ. I feel like that feud should go on longer, and I feel like it just has to be a better build than what we got.
00:58:54
Speaker
I mean, I guess technically what we got could be the beginning of the actual build. Yeah, because the ending of that match was really good. Yeah, that was really good. Yeah, I was very impressed. I'm glad that didn't end it. Yeah. Just because of the way it did end, but hopefully we get a better thing than the Shinsuke AJ, because now I'm like at any point when I think something's going to be awesome, I could be wrong. Yeah. What'd you think of that Ronda match?
00:59:19
Speaker
I had a good time. I mean, it grossed me out. It grossed me the fuck out. I hate watching the double jointed elbow thing. So I was cringing because we've actually seen Rhonda break so many arms that I was just like, at any point, if that snaps, I'm going to throw up. I mean, it was what it was. It makes sense for her to have the championship. I understand there's a lot of very deserving women in the back. Rhonda's the star.
00:59:45
Speaker
it was pretty predictable but it was still good yeah uh there was one point where
00:59:51
Speaker
When Alexa was trying to choke her out, and then Rhonda picked her up and slammed her, and then Alexa rolled out of the ring, I thought Rhonda was gonna do a suicide dive. Right? Is this the moment? Did they teach her the suicide dive when we get it at SummerSlam? If she was gonna do a suicide dive, I would have missed the ending of that match to go get a shirt from the merch table officially sold.
01:00:16
Speaker
And I'm the Ronda Rousey girl, too. They kept showing my reaction throughout all the royal rumble. And I don't know. I don't hate Ronda, but like it was.
01:00:28
Speaker
if she would have done a suicide dive, man, that would have been so good. I know, I have to assume she just isn't ready for that, but I was. She's gonna be kinda like Bron Stroman, where when Bron breaks out regular moves, it's so surprising that you pop. A drop kick from him is terrifying. And Ronda looks so intense. She does great, she still has the MMA facials that she does, and I love seeing her trash talk throughout the whole match.
01:00:58
Speaker
I was sitting pretty close I could hear her and I was like I hear her a little bit and it made me super happy how like how much she gets it now like she got it I mean it does seem like because at this point what we watched like her tenth match if you count house shows or unless she's been doing all the house shows I guess but
01:01:20
Speaker
Yeah, I mean, we're watching somebody learn in real time. Yeah. And on a huge, huge stage. No one does this. Yeah. So for a fan, it's like so it's pretty exciting to watch her. I understand the political side of like she doesn't deserve it. There's much there's a lot more women that do. But I mean,
01:01:38
Speaker
It's a Brock Lesnar thing. She's legitimate. She could beat the shit out of anyone in the back. And if she main events any pay-per-view, everyone's tuning in. She's all over mainstream. Like, there's so many people. Should a movie come out this weekend? Yeah, exactly. So obviously they were going to give the title to her. Yeah.
01:01:55
Speaker
I'm fine with it right now. I was a Rhonda fan in MMA. I just like her as a person. She's fun to watch. And I don't know. I like how fast all of her movements are like I was saying earlier. She's I'm into it. I'm into it. I like to see where it goes. I would have liked if her posse came out like four horse women came out.
01:02:15
Speaker
And Shayna just like attacked her and that's how Shayna comes up. Yeah. That would have been that would have been huge. And you know, we're going to get that eventually. Yeah. But I think Rhonda needs the like the title under her like fur gear. I mean, I think she needs to like have a few matches and then like start a really great feud because I feel like they would put on a really great feud and really great matches because they're best friends. So they'd have really good chemistry together. Oh, yeah. Yeah.
01:02:44
Speaker
Like, and it's that thing where you're never afraid to beat the shit out of your best friend. Yeah. Oh, because I'm sure they've sparred together when they used to do MMA. So like doing this wrestling thing is just like they've probably done it in their backyard. So it's no different than doing it like in Berkeley Center. Yeah. WrestleMania or something.
01:03:03
Speaker
I have to imagine Natty's going to turn on her. I thought she was going to turn on her last night. I thought that was the reason why she came out, which she got a good standing ovation, and she came out with Anvil's jacket, which brought it to my eye. I'm not going to lie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm not afraid to admit wrestling has made me cry many times. What was the hardest you ever cried for wrestling?
01:03:26
Speaker
Daniel Bryan's retirement speech. I was a mess. Or this isn't even wrestling. It's kind of wrestling. That Connor the Crusher promo.
01:03:37
Speaker
Oh, dude. Is it the one where all the wrestlers are around the ring and Triple H comes into the ring? Dude, yeah. That still gets me. Every time. Every time. I think if I just wanted a good cry right now, I could throw that on and it would still happen. I mean, there's that and dogs being reunited with their military owners coming back from war. Those are the two things that would get me.
01:04:03
Speaker
Man, but yeah that what were we talking about Rhonda? She came out she won.
The Miz vs Daniel Bryan: Future Match Setup
01:04:11
Speaker
It was great. It was good and then Ms. Daniel Bryant huge miss fan. So happy miss one. I'm so happy miss one. He needed it Yeah, I feel like that's the way you're gonna continue that feud is he won and he won really well with uh, Maurice giving it wasn't brass knuckles. Oh
01:04:27
Speaker
I couldn't tell, but he had something. He hit him with something. It had to have been brass knuckles. I think it was brass knuckles. Yeah. Someone put up on Twitter that Maurice is the official number one person on the ride or die division.
01:04:47
Speaker
Man, I guess if Brie comes back, we could see a mixed tag match or something that probably leads into another singles match. Yeah, I call that. I think it's going to be a mixed tag match. Maybe Survivor Series? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I meant to say this with the Rhonda thing. Sorry, just bouncing around real quick. Oh, no, you're fine. So we all want Rhonda versus Charlotte, I think. I think that's an eventual dream match.
01:05:13
Speaker
when Rhonda gets there. Yeah. But are we just going to get that anyway at Clash of Champions? When is Clash of Champions? I don't know. Or did they cancel that one? I thought they canceled that one. Good. In December. Okay. Okay. I think it was supposed to be December and they canceled it. I think we might get it from Mania just because they're already, they're big names. Charlotte's a big name. Rhonda's a big name. Uh. If you advertise. Oh man.
01:05:37
Speaker
If it was champion versus champion for that main event, that would be a solid main event for Mania, especially in New York. But even if Charlotte goes on to Raw and she just fights for the Raw women's, that'd still be a great match. But if there was a women's match that was gonna main event any Mania, that's gonna be the one, just because of the names. Oh, superstar power. Superstar power on that one.
01:06:09
Speaker
Yeah. Overall, fine summer slam. Yeah. I guess we could finish out talking about the main event. We started that, but I was kind of, I was, I don't know, I wasn't expecting to just be over.
01:06:20
Speaker
not like not like over like like finished not like yeah I was expecting more but we really just got Roman like raiseness when Roman won I was sitting with my friend Lucy and when Roman won she was like girl nothing else is happening they're off the air I'm like no someone someone's something's gonna happen part of someone's coming out I don't know it was something's gonna happen he can't be the winner
01:06:40
Speaker
They're going to cut back into story time like on the WWE Network. Oh, he came back out. Yeah, it's over. No, it was over.
Roman Reigns' Main Event and Lack of Post-Event
01:06:49
Speaker
It was done. I don't know how I feel about that last match because I was very excited that Braun came out.
01:06:56
Speaker
It looks like in the beginning Roman throwing all those punches and those spears like he was going to win. I thought it was going to be a squash match. Yeah, I thought it was going to be a squash match too. And I thought we were saving Braun for that match and that's why the KO match was nothing. Yeah. Is that we were going to get a real main event of Braun versus Roman Reigns. Which is what gets what gets me so upset about that.
01:07:19
Speaker
KO match was when he lost and it was a squash match, he's like, okay, Braun is cashigan and he's definitely winning. And he would have, oh man, that would have been the pop of the weekend. But then he didn't, he came out, he made that speech. I think he looked weak, I don't know, it's just...
01:07:37
Speaker
They still have two more days though. He could gash in tonight. That's true. He could run in during the opening of Raw and have the championship in the opening. Yeah, that's true. Hopefully. We'll see. I mean, they are treating SummerSlam bigger than they used to. I mean, they might treat these as important events since it's all in the same place for a whole weekend. They've taken over the city. Yeah. We'll see. Yeah.
01:08:03
Speaker
We are actually running, we're getting close to the end on this one.
Praise for Roman Reigns' Presence
01:08:08
Speaker
And it's been a while since we've done this because Derek and I started to run out of people, but who, I want you to say something nice. You want me to say something nice? Yeah, remember we used to do a segment called Say Something Nice where we would take a wrestler that we would normally give a lot of shit to and be forced to say a nice thing about a wrestler that you despise.
01:08:30
Speaker
The only nice thing I will say to Roman Reigns is just congrats. Not the full on congratulations, but just congrats. And that is all. So all those times I've been congratulating like acquaintances on getting engaged and just put congrats, that's like, that means fuck you.
01:08:51
Speaker
In my book it does. I don't know about anybody else, but in my book it does. Well, I'm sorry for all those years of not putting the whole word. Oh, there's no exclamation point. It's just a period at the end of that for Roman. Congrats. If I have to say something nice about Roman Reigns, great hair, good eyes. It's gonna be all physical. It's all physical. Betty's a great guy.
01:09:20
Speaker
There's that picture of him, you know, drinking tea with his daughter. I haven't seen that picture. It's fine. You don't have to like it. You can just say. I don't want to watch it. I don't want to see it. He's got the belt. It's back on the
Speculation on Ambrose's Heel Turn
01:09:31
Speaker
show. That's the one thing I'm excited about, but I don't want him to have it. Although I really. OK, well, we're we're recording this on Monday, but I really hope that Ambrose. Comes out on Monday Night Raw and turns heel on Roman instead of Rollins.
01:09:49
Speaker
Yeah, and he goes straight for that universal title because I feel like everyone was expecting, which we didn't even talk about that match, but that match was good, the Intercontinental Championship. Opening match. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I think everyone was expecting Ambrose to turn on Rollins that night, which a little disappointed that Rollins did swing that belt.
01:10:07
Speaker
When he won yeah, I love the belt swinging at mania 30 that should be his thing. Yeah, I was a little disappointed But yeah, I'm hoping that Ambrose Turns on Roman. We'll see maybe when Alex is listening to this. She's gonna be like nope. They didn't happen. It didn't happen Yeah, well, we'll see what happens, but we will be recording again together
Starcast Recording and Live Show Announcements
01:10:29
Speaker
soon
01:10:29
Speaker
Yes, for Starcast. Two weeks? Two weeks? No, next week. Is that next? No. Wait. Holy shit. Yeah, it will be next week, because this comes out on Thursday. Yeah. Holy shit. Yeah, we're going to be... We'll probably end up recording a couple episodes that weekend, I would imagine, because we'll be around each other long enough. Yeah. But yeah, we're going to be at Starcast, or at least I'll be there all four days. I'm assuming you'll probably be there some of those days. I think I'll be there all four days. Yeah. Okay. Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday. Yeah, I'll be there.
01:10:59
Speaker
And if you wanna see us do a live show at Starcast, we will be doing a live show at one o'clock on Saturday. So right before all in, we're gonna be on a stage at Starcast. I'll be joining you guys. It'll be so much fun. Yeah, I don't know what we're gonna do, but I guess it's gonna be broadcast through the hotel lobby and live on a stage. They said they might be throwing a guest up there with us. That's a little intimidating, not knowing in advance who they're gonna give us. Well, fingers crossed it'll be Macaulay Culkin.
01:11:27
Speaker
Oh, please, for the love of God, give us Macaulay Culkin. Oh, man. Yeah, this is gonna be a good time. So come check us out there.
Social Media and Friendship Through Wrestling
01:11:35
Speaker
Follow us on social media, at Wrestle Hangout on Twitter, at Predetermined Podcast on Instagram, Wrestle Hangout on Facebook. Alex, tell them where to follow you.
01:11:44
Speaker
yes on instagram is at underscore queen of the ring on twitter is at a queen of the ring youtube subscribe to my channel just type in queen of the ring wrestling because you probably don't want to run into those rap battles but yeah just follow me there and
01:12:00
Speaker
Thanks for having me on the show, man. Yeah, no, thanks for coming. This is, we had only really met one time and became internet friends. Yeah, and then I always like, you guys always drop my name on every episode and I always get a little pop from it. Hey, we talk all the time on Twitter. So, you know, you're part of the show. You're part of the show. But yeah, it was good having you on. I think it went okay. I felt like I swore less around you.
01:12:25
Speaker
Yeah me too. I didn't like I feel like with Derek I am just like as I'm going back and editing I'm like this is offensive sometimes. I feel like I was being polite. So you know next week when we have Derek here I am going to just swear incessantly around bombs for days all over the place. Well thank you for coming. Thanks for being on the show. Thanks for showing me around New York. This was my first time here.
01:12:49
Speaker
Yeah, I'm glad I showed you Times Square for five minutes. Yes, oh, it was great. Well, yeah, maybe next time we'll talk more about Times Square. Yeah. But until then, hit our goddamn music.